Did all y'all complainers in the comments notice how the two martial artists respected each other and had a good time sparring instead of whining about which weapon is objectively best?
Except that Kendo armour wouldnt really help that much since its designed for protecting areas where one has to strike to gain a point in an actual match, besides trusting ur opponent notto break ur fingers or ribs is a pretty huge way of showing respect.
While we were enjoying this display of sportsmanship and a demo into a curiosity I’m sure many of us have had at one point, the rest were studying the blade.
How will you make some time if you're already at a disadvantage using a naturally inferior weapon? There's nothing more simple to understand than that.
I admit it is a formidable weapon, but it is nothing when faced with a true warrior with the spirit of the great dragon by his side and a katana to cut down his enemy!
Despite the fanboys in the comments this spar seems pretty equal. These types of videos should really be labelled, "Man with Bokken vs. Man with Longsword". If you swapped out either one with a different fighter the result could be vastly different. Maybe a different guy with a Bokken would be faster and land twice as more hits or maybe a different Longsword guy would wipe out this Bokken guy. It's about the fighter not the style. There are simply too many factors to conclusively say "This style will always win over another style"
I couldn't have agreed more. Each and every sword, be it Japanese, Chinese, Roman, Greek, Indo-persian, Caucasian, European, turkic, of the Renaissance, etc. has it's negatives and positives, what matters quite a lot is the mind of the swordsman. Techniques, styles, sword types, and a select few other factors that some of these armchair warriors talk about, do not play a big role as compared to the mind of a human. Everything one may learn has to be applied to certain situations and advantages.
I completely agree. Also at about 1:22 or so the Long sword man pulls what would of been a blow to the head on his opponent, about 4-6 seconds latter the boken guy does the same thing. I just love this video because it shows both of these guys being sportsmen and enjoying the competition.
I wouldn't say style, but swords do matter. The thrust at 1:48, although ultimately defendable, shows just how much of an advantage in range the longsword has. Add to that no handguard on the bokken and I would be sliding down that blade for his hands and forarms, while staying out of reach all day. They had 3 or 4 double-kills, which is what the guy with the shorter blade almost has to expose himself to, in order to get close enough to hit. Of course, it is not the sword that wins the fight, but these factors just make longsword more forgiving in a one-on-one like this one.
+Dwight Schrute Yeah, right... Bokken practice is part of a Martial Art. Learning the form is one of the essential parts of Kendo and Kendo is one of the most respected Sports in Japan and Korea. Handling a Bokken basically equals handling a Katana, which is why higher ranked kendoka often use Katanas for public demonstrations.
+Matei Tudor I've been hit in the head with a red oak bokken. It hurt, left a scar, and I learned a valuable lesson. Most of the time, if people are serious about the art, and they have a partner who is also serious, they can tell when a blow is about to go wrong, and they pull back. Kinda like at the end of this video, the guy with the bokken could have delivered a bad blow to the head when the buzzer sounded. But he pulled back. The guy I was sparring with didn't have quite his reflexes. Neither did I. Hence the scar and the lesson. If you don't want to get hurt, play chess. If you don't trust your partner not to hit you badly, don't spar with them. Problem solved.
@@TaoistSwordsman Long sword guy with carotid artery is certainly going to die Bokken guy with a cut at around L4 L5 level would likely open up the common iliac artery and descending aorta. Plus the momentum to the upper arm which could damage axillary artery and brachial artery would still be fatal but would last a bit longer than his enemy. In the field they would both die without a doubt. Zero chance of surviving unless they are duelling in the operating room.
i love this coment, and, as a HEMA practitioner, doubles arent that rare, mainly becouse if you are definitely getting hit, hitting back is a good way to avoid your adversary making points (doubles dont count basically you are taught to have absolute control of your enemies sword, you have to be able to hit while also making imposible to be hit, tho i guess thats a bit obvious)
Why does this video have so many dislikes? It's just a fencing bout between two martial artists. It's not making any idiotic claims about the weapons. I thought it was pretty fun to watch.
+Noah Weisbrod It's because the guy with the longsword is trash
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+Noah Weisbrod The thing is that the guy with LS does not fight by all known "Fechtbuch" art. He just swings it all around playing braveheart stuff. If we want to make such competition let's have two swordmasters from different cultures (or at least fighting according different cultures rules) duel. I do not see "ox" or "plought" stance here, no basic hits, nothing. That's why I geve it dislike.
+Noah Weisbrod It's amusing but the guy with the bokken is missing so many openings that it's distracting. Against a better fencer, the guy with the longsword would have lost each and every time he starting waving it about like he's in a pirate movie. At the least, the bokken could have stopped into his wrists on virtually every 'attack' the longsword guy made.
What I appreciate the most is how their opponent respects the strike. More often than not in sparring one person will pull their strike, showing that they could have hit them but did not. My pet peeve is when my sparring partner ignores this courtesy completely and whacks me as I reset for a new round. (Hand to hand)
Nice to see two different styles testing each others skills. IMHO, considering the use of training weapons and lacking protection it was a fairly even duel. I train with bokken without protection too. The objective is not to actually hit your opponent but to have enough control to end the strike just short of the intented target. I think the comments referring to videogames are quite amusing. Every once in a while we get a gamer in the dojo. They usually don't last very long after they find out that a two hour training session is hard work.. 😂
That’s why I love sword better than guns although guns come in different sizes range accuracy and bullets unlike swords there is just not that cultural clash of them clashing together to make a new launguage to see which one is truly better
Michiel M. I’m quite a rare person, I’m a gamer and a weeb and yet I’m still a brown belt, I never gave up, (most of my friends who were gamers gave up) and now I’m soon going to be learning to use a bokken. Moral of the story: even if your a gamer, you can still be a martial artist.
@@josejoaquinbenitez6485 yea he should have because if you use a real sword, then not using one will lead to failure, because real Japanese sword are the sharpest swords ever
@@heartsofgoldd7388 Not really, the technique used is what makes it the sharpest in practice, fumikomi, using the body instead of the arms and all, but in design there are a lot better weapons to actually cut, the longsword would be an example, not for design, but instead quality in makeshift, if I'm talking about the design then the cimitar. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Jendo apprentice and I think the katana is a wonderful cutting weapon and I love it, but it ain't the best, I might put this as an opinion, because this is actually subjective Also, a friendly bow to a fellow martial artist gamer weeb whatever non quitter
@@Paracelsus00 lol. Which idiot try to pierce through a plate armor with a sword? Western sword style and easter sword style are very different. U dont use katana with western style.
I love how they fence and no matter how it goes, they honor and respect each other. I don’t know if I’m right or it’s just me, but the kendo practitioner seems more experienced, with how he doesn’t fall for the fake attacks and taunts the other attempts. However, the guy with the longsword adapted quickly, which made it pretty equal, even if either had more experience by their techniques. A lot of people will look at this video as a friendly and honorable sparring session, but others will try to make the katana or longsword seem superior and degrade the skill of the opposite side of the argument. If there’s something I learned all this time being a sword fan and have practiced at least once kendo and a bit of longsword, is that no sword is better than the other, but the techniques and the wielded are who truly make even the most useless piece of junk work the best.
Each style has its own advantages. Its all about the fighter. I personally favor the longsword for its versatility, also for the culture it represents (im european). One of the best sword styles ever, created as a martial science by the german, italian, spanish masters etc. Yet, as a general idea, its an advantage for a longsword disciple to learn/practice degree of kendo, kenjutsu, and/or chinese/korean styles etc, just to have a wider point of view, helps building up versatility. I practiced kendo up to a professional level, and some iaido. LS suits me better, but i dont disregard other styles, no matter their point of origin. Also i think, at least in Europe, longsword discipline should expand more, its a cultural thing. We embrace the japanese martial arts, chinese, korean, thai etc, but what about our own?
Combining the two would be great. Kenjutsu is more refined and taken to a higher level then the western sword methods, most due to westerners not maintaining the practice. The resurrection of the skills will take a long time to make up the difference
+0hn0haha maybe in a duel but with plate armor there is no really need to hesitate. Besides when an actual battle occurred there was no time for slow ass comat. I always imagine it like a game of american football but woth swords xD anyway, not like a samurai and knight would meet but aby bit of protective gear would let them actually to try out cuts. Look up on youtube videos of hema masters fencing or 2 guys with zveinhander techniques :) they all show quite direct hits
+Seraphim HaanS That is basically how European war was fought. Like American football. You tried to get the best positions (Knowing the battlefield, strategy), then both forces just ran right into each other, the first to falter(Hole in the line) was literally fucked because as soon as you turned around and ran the knights came riding you down. Then you regrouped and do battle again.
@Jon Jones this depends on the rules, all of the "hits" your referencing had as much force as a love tap, and wouldn't have hurt even an unarmored foe. If they were playing first to poke the other dude lightly and do nothing, sure he won. But I believe they are playing, first to land an actual strike that they have to slow down to not hurt their friend.
Cool video, but the hypothetical "Euro-Knight vs Samurai" flamewar comments kinda makes it... unfun to stick around... Don't give a shit about which sword is better, Warhammers FTW.
Battle axe and shield for me! Though I would be willing to use a warhammer instead. ^^^And yes indeed, a lot of people just want to prove their own superiority that THEIR weapon/martial art is the best unmatched by anything.
it's not easy to compare this two beautiful techniques, the real difference was given by fighters. Anyway, in european battlefield was not usual to see sword armed fighters. The longsword was considered a noble weapon and it's mainly used in dueling or skirmish. In normal battles was more common to see maces, morning stars, pikes, two-handed hammers, axes, poleaxes and shields.
I find these types of fights fantastic. The two swird styles clash in a fight of experience instead of "which is better" the wielder of the weapon is what's important regardless of the style they use. In this vid you can see the contrast of both fighters and the styles they use. One speratic and constantly moving to keep variation, while the other is cool and collected trying to anticipate the next attack. The anticipated defense is a very high risk high reward style.
I applaud both gentlemen for this effort to try and exchange knowledge and experience. This is how we should treat eachother. With mutual respect and desire to learn. Well done. Ps samurai get your heads out of your ass: the katana is a sword. Not a magical item. Period.. And HEMA get of your high horse: the katana is a sword. Not an inferior slab of steel. Period. .See what i did there? Good luck to you all. Train hard and prosper.
It's pretty fun to watch both sides analyzing how to apply their skills and weapons against something completely different from what they are used to face, because both sides probably train most of time with people that uses the same style. One mistake and the bokken can slash several times or one mistake and the langschwert can land a pretty heavy blow.
One thing that I see regularly in "Katana vs Longsword" videos is that katana wielders (no matter if Aikido, Kendo or Iaido) seem to act more reserved. While the longsword wielder more often jumps around, tries to faint and break his opponents guard physically. I'm no expert whatsoever, yet I would say that I know my way with a katana. During my training the Sensei advised us to stay focused and calm. Like the surface of a lake during a windless night. But also to be ready to break loose like a wave that forces its way through the opponent. My point is, Kendo is pretty intense for your mind. I'd even say that many matches are decided by mental work in Kendo. Of course you need to be fit in shape and form, but it seems to me like HEMA focusses more on actual physical work than mental (may call it mindgames at this point as well.) I'd love to have some of you actual HEMA practicioners thought on this.
The mindset of the aikido person here is pretty ideal. Generally any movement creates attacking opportunities if caught before its completion. As you get a better understanding why and when to move or react, the less reason you have to move and flinch and feignt, most of the time. This is something that becomes really pronounced between two people fencing, where one is much more experienced/competent. And moving less, you have more time to react to any oportunities your opponent presents. Think about it this way. When you are not moving you are observing, the more confident you are in knowing when you Have to move and react, the more time you have to observe and wait for a good time to land a hit or create a good opportunity to seize the initiative. The person more reserved towards executing more commited actions, observing and judging from the right distance can see better where and when to strike, though it takes a pretty good fencer to stay in good distance, baiting the opponents strikes, without easily get hit in the process. In this ideal case the unfortunate one trying to move, feignt attack and observe at the same time, has more to work with and as a rule has a worse approach to the fight. Ideally everything you do, either restricts your opponent from immediately hitting you, or severely threatens them, forcing them to go on the defensive. Everything else is fluff, though being only human, working against hesitation and failiure in critical decission making. How we preform is rarely ever up to par with the ideal, though with a capability to demonstrate absolutely impressive skill at times. Ps: most of the time, I'm the hoppity fencer =3
I don’t know if they teach half swording with a katana but it’s a very effective technique with a long sword that requires patience to set up but is super effective
@@dude4real9455 I do totally agree with you on this one. Though I should add that I'm used to be a quite reserved Kendoka, taking a good time to observe and measure, yet I fail at acting quick enough. So even a calm mind can cost you a point or even the match when your body just can't react the way you want and need it to. That being said, I'm aware that this is nothing I can't work on. Still I need to bring mind and body to one level...
@@eglib499 I had a bit of sparring by now with a Longsword fencer. And well it was pretty much like in this video most of the time. Not to blow my own horn here, but in our particular setup, I was simply more experienced. I think you have a valid point with the tricks up the sleeve. It came across my mind that Kendo is a pretty straight forward fencing style. After I watched some longsowrd instructions, there is just more to it. By all means. But the fencer needs to be able to put that to use. If the opponent is rather unsure on how to handle you, you really have the upper hand.
arthurw13 Protective gear makes people being careless and suicidal, hardly authentic. Sometimes, a more restrained sparring without protections can teach you a lot of things.
Sylorinnis I respect your opinion, but I'd like to disagree. However, I think we might both be correct, as it depends of what do you want to achieve. In a purely sportive context like modern sport fencing, Kendo or (more and more) HEMA tournaments, yes, you're quite correct. However, when trying to represent a real fight, there are several big problems with the modern protective equipment: 1) mobility: it is impressive how little you can move with the full sparring gear, my medieval armour offers a lot more freedom of movement! Honestly, have you ever managed to place a succesful Zwerchhau when with fencing mask, heavy sparring gloves and HEMA gambeson? Or even only to go into the guard Ochs or Posta di Donna? Is it easy for you to use the thumb grip? 2) As I already said, protections make people fight only to score a point instead of also protecting their lives. This is a main reason why many historical techniques don't work in tournaments because they weren't meant to be used against suicidal persons. Many HEMA fighters who act like crazy Battle of the Nations participants would be completely shocked and passive it they had to fight against a person with a sharp sword. 3) You can do light unprotected sparring without the people ''co-operating''. It depends of course on the amount of skill and training involved, but Daniel Jaquet of GAGschola has made an impressive demonstration with sparring partners only equiped with protective gloves. It looked much better than the silly bashing often involved in tournaments with protections, especially as the mobility without gear allows much more techniques. Conclusion: in a sportive context, to learn how to strike with full force, protective gear is absolutely necessary. And I would say that anyone has to do at least some amount of protected full force sparring. However, to understand our ancestors who did train without protections too, I strongly believe that it is of great use to also do light sparring without protective gear.
Timbo X, if you think there is such thing as a superior art, you are mistaken. There are people with more skill, people with more dedication, smarter people, but before the fight, equally trained warriors, such as a Samurai or a Medieval Knight, either of them could win... the one who trained longer, the faster one, the stronger one, the smarter one, the luckier one... it is all up to the single person incarnating the warrior on that precise moment... But specially understand, that nothing that you or me can say will change anything. Just train on whatever you practice and find happines, stop trying to win. God bless you and all Martial Arts Practitioners.
in actual combat to the death, the medieval knight would probably have it due simply to the superiority of the fitted plate, vs the samurais lamellar armor. if both were unarmored, it would probably be a coin flip.
Minh Phan proper, well fit plate is both lighter and restrictes moment less than a modern soldiers gear. Well fit plate weighs around 40Lb. Compare that to the Ō-yoroi (pinnacle of samuri armor) that weight 65+ Lb
rattslayer Not to mention that by the 14th Century at the height of European plate armor the Spanish, Germans, and Italians were making plate armor that could withstand the strongest crossbows of the day, and were reasonably bullet proof into the 16th century. Thus necessitating the shift in sword making among the nobility to ever stronger and narrower straight blades (for stabbing between armor plates).
You don't get it? I just pointed out that this guy failed at making a smart-ass remark, when he himself didn't have a much of a clue. I know that they both mean the same thing, but the term "bokken" is hardly ever used by Japanese native speakers.
It's funny how the guy with the bokken pretends to not care about getting hit and shit like he knows wether it's gonna hit him or not and then.. he gets hit
No it's just part of training. Like learning not to flinch when someone jabs. Plus if you gauge your range right (called maai in Japanese martial arts) you learn to relax when not in distance. You see this in MMA with karate fighters like machida and Thomson. Just part of their training.
@DarkEternal6 half swording only works against armor, and a sword or weapon as big or bigger than a standard longsword, since you can't do grabs like that against a katana. it would be like trying to bear hug someone who has a knife. yes you could, but you'd get stabby stabbed about a thousand times in the mean time
Randy Oh correct, what he should have done is stay at distance and use his greater reach and hand protection to keep the fight as much about trying to hit his opponent's hands as possible....of course, lack of protective gear makes that kind of sparring problematic
Why are they saying "Longsword vs Bokken" that's like a boxing match saying "---- gloves vs ---- gloves" it comes down to skill of the fighter in sword duels not the type swords they use.
marios matzoros this isn’t a video game, the difference between the weapons is not which is better, it’s their style. Put two skilled swordsman in a duel, one with a rapier, the other a long sword, they both have the same chance of winning. The same goes for a long sword vs zweihander, it’s the skill and style that separates the weapons
Daric Soldar True, but practicing with protections only will not give you an idea of what it is to fear the blows. I'd say that both training should be done, of course only with trained practicioner.
Daric Soldar They could have put on eye protection or head gear. But they both looked like they knew how to control their strikes and not go full force or strike anywhere dangerous. Beginners wouldnt have the same control and would get seriously hurt
+Railriderchris I never quite agreed with this mindset. The people I train with are my friends, so when they aren't wearing appropriate protection, I run the risk of injuring them, and therefore don't attack with full intent. And as you'd expect, my friends/sparring partners feel the same way, so neither of us are attacking at maximum force.
***** I can understand this. But whether you find this a good idea or not is probably depending on the goal you want to achieve when training with the sword. 1) if you want to do sport, scoring points, being in little danger of being injured, this allowing to strike with full force rather than controlling the weapon, then training without protections will indeed be of little interest to you. 2) But if you want to recreate something more real, like the real swordfight where people are aware that any movement might be the last which makes them being much more cautious, creating a tense situation where striking with full force is less important than doing controlled disabling of the opponent, then you might have a great deal of insight when doing restrained sparring without protections. Understand that I'm not criticising those who only want to score, or do full contact like in battle of the nations. It is surely a lot of fun, and there's nothing wrong with it. But when I see HEMA tournaments with a lot of suicidal attacks and double hits, it seems to me that there is a problem with being too protected. If you have good control over your blade, and if you know your sparring partner well, I encourage you to try it out. If you're not sure about your safety (which nevertheless remains first priority), then begin with fencing masks and maybe gloves as only protections, nylon or wooden swords, slow movements and more intention of doing techniques than sparring. Then, with time going on, you might remove your gloves and replace the fencing mask with safety glasses. However, I'm not a huge fan of steel swords in this context, because of the potentially abrasive steel edges after edge blows, and the fact that there is a tendency of doing a lot more cutting like Hendtrucken.
Not necessarily, you can tell that these people aren't 6th graders swinging around bulky sticks. It's obvious from their stance and gait that they have a decent amount of discipline and control. If they did this with live blades though? Yeah probably dumb.
"The long sword is better" "No the katana is better". You know what's better in a fight? A more capable warrior. So to wrap it up for you kids. Both swords have their advantages and disadvantages. Surprise. None of both is perfect. Blown your mind, didn't I? So stop polishing your swords to your favorite swords (if you're catching my drift) and appreciate the battle itself. Swords don't win wars, warriors do.
As someone from a Western fencing background, the kenjutsu guy in this video was the better swordsman. He did receive a few touches, but his form was rock solid the whole time and he didn't seem to concerned by anything the longsword guy threw at him. The sequence from 0:38 to 0:45 was particularly beautiful to watch.
I agree. I would honestly love to see this kind of match between two people on a more even skill level. It was clear that the longsword fighter was super nervous and unsure of his tactics, while the katana fighter was absolutely focused and one with his weapon. Mad respect to both fighters for their performance, but it’s clear which one had more experience
If you ever tried something like this you know how hard it actually is to fight sword vs sword. One fuck up and you are dead. But i think they both look like they arent just show offs, you can see they have skills. Good Job!
They used wooden swords at tournaments and people still got killed. Ninjas used wooden swords because steel wasnt afordable for them, they still killed silently. u dont need real swords to practice. besides getting yourself MORE hurt and staying out of practice isnt smart. also if you have experience you know how to keep your distance and wait for the perfect timing and dont charge in like crazy, because both guys end up dead. sword fighting is a lot like anderson silvas counter striking style, thats whats gonna keep you alive in a real combat situation.
I just want to say that try not to worry too much about the sword, but the skills of the man you're fighting. One little mistake and it's the end of the fight. Never underestimate your opponent.
Why must every argument over Katana vs Longsword must end in one dedicated style. Whomever was more experienced with that blade would be the victor. Both combatants in this video show that both are pretty equally skilled. Also, both combatants seemed to have landed similar hits. While Knights were more armored, it's not like other Japanese warriors were any less armored. The average foot soldier was lightly armored. Both swords are excellence but also can be over hyped. Both have jobs they are good at and their own fighting styles.
Because there is a lot of pride and belief in this dick-waving contest. There has to be a winner. In this day and age, people will settle for nothing less.
but I actually heard that good-quality iron was rare in Japan, but common in Europe, that means more armour for the European and their half-swording style.
realenew While that comment is not wrong, iron was scarce in Japan, the sword makers figured out a way to forge two types of steel into one blade, allowing for the sharpness of each sword. Both swords are fantastic in my opinion, and have their advantages and disadvantages
a bunch of dislikes mashed by fingers too feeble to properly grip a sword of any kind and piloted by minds too dull to actually understand a single thing that happened in any of these exchanges
haha, he uses the trained peasant to do that dirty works for him, the ashigaru are easier to train than the arrogant samurai, he adapted a modern warfare to dealing with the hostile who fierce with the calvary army, and indeed effectively, he made his ways so far, his campaign leading to a unification of japan continuing by his successor daimyos Toyotomi and Tokugawa after him.
Torc Handsomeson So what you're saying is basically that, if the longsword guy HAD followed through, the boken guy would be dead, but the boken guy was psychic and knew he wouldn't.
Two different weapons for two different kinds of warfare. An interesting crossover, but to say one style of swordsmanship is superior over an another is simply crass.
primary targets in a duel are arms/hands, legs/feeet, trying to hit the head or trunk without first injuring/weakening/disarming your opponent, will get you KILLED.
I have to disagree with you about the legs and absolutley about feets. Feets are really difficult to hit because they are so low and your shoulder are so high. With a longword you have to get about half a meter closer to be able to hit a foot than if you where aming for the torso.
the legs are really easy to hit the feet is an interesting topic, this came about when we were looking at possibilities when dueling with sword and dagger, while it may be possible, I think it highly unlikely anyone would go down that road. nuh uh dont really contribute to the conversation.
TheGabesnell Upper legs are a target, but I wouldn't call it a main one. And the upper legs are more of a target than the lower legs, but I still wouldn't call it the main target. Codex Döbringer (MS 3227a) does for example state that you should attack "to the head or to the body" many times so I think that at least the head would be considered a main target. And nearly every strike I've seen is aimed towards the head or torso. For the armpits. That is absolutley true if we are talking about armored fighting (if we are, then I'm sorry for the misunderstanding). But in unarmored fighting I'm not that sure. What kind of attack would you use with a longsword to attack the armpit in an unarmored fight? I can see that you may hit the armpit when striking, say, a zwerchau from a high bind. But even then I would say that the strike is aimed towards the upper body in general rather than the armpit specifically. What sources are you refering to when you say that the upper legs and armpits are the main targets?
You score one point for arm or leg, two points for chest, three points for head, and 100 points for rapping the guy in the knuckles, plus an extra 5 points if he yelps.
Just tired of the (This weapon vs that weapon = oh this weapon is better, because it was wielded by someone more skilled with it's counter part than the one it is being pitted against.)
While it's true that it's man vs man instead of weapon vs weapon, that's also because it's impossible to have a strictly weapon compairison. I think this video did demonstrate some of the distinct advantages and disadvantages of the different swords and style though. There are different advantages in different contexts to each weapon, and both the katana and longsword were engineered to fight the enemies and equipment of their time and region. For example, the longsword has a slightly better reach and a more effective thrust, as well as being more nimble in the point. The katana has a heavier cutting edge, and can cut effectively down almost the entire length of the blade, while the long sword is only really effective at cutting from about 1/2 to 3/4 down the blade due to the tapered tip. There are features of each blade that make them more effective than the other in different area, as well as having training to maximize their features. Personally I don't consider either a better weapon than the other, only better in certain situations. I do think the long sword is a bit more versatile than the katana, and able to maintain effectiveness in more situations, but I think the katana is a bit more deadly when in the right context due to its better capacity for cutting. The one thing I absolutely think the long sword is better at though is hand protection. I do not think the katanas disc guard provides any real advantage over a cross guard.
+apollo grach very very good outlook on the two very different swords from two very different regions and cultures with completely different fighting styles
Watching the guy with the longsword is almost painful- though I can understand it's hard not to have a static stance. In the art of the longsword wards are meant to be windups and not static positions, your sword is meant to be in constant motion and not in a consistent position that can be read.
Noah Weisbrod 'dex weapons' aren't more realistic. You probably meant swords (katanas, straight swords and scimatars), spears and halberts. Scythes are dex weapons and... Well... They are as usefull as a human-sized hammer in a battle.
but a sword is still a sword,and it is still used in the same way as a sword, they're really are not THAT many ways to hit someone with a sword, especially since both a katana and longsword are TWO handed swords they will share a lot, if not all, of the same techniques.
Depends... you can use any sword to hit something, but if you have no techniques, you will no cut right and no enjoy all potential of your sword. The style of fights from European sword, and oriental katana, Kenjutsu, is diferent,I expected a better show of styles, but what i can see is the same, my critique was about that...
リベラジムリ It has been tested? By whom, with which swords, made in which way? You're free to show up some evidences, but for the meantime it is obvious that you're talking nonsense. A Katana isn't more able to break a Longsword than any other sword to break any other sword (of course it can happen, but it has more to do with a failure in the broken blade than a particular sword's abilities...)
Railriderchris obvious?! nonsense?!... wow.. yeah length and balance is crucial for the one who wields the sword, me an my friend a German Long sword master have tested the potential of both of them in my home town in japan and the result was 99.3 percent for the katana to win. Your brute force does not work whit the accuracy and strength of the katana but you dont have to believe me You can continue your ignorance if you like just look for videos on youtube like Forging a Katana ( Japanese Samurai Sword ) or Japanese Katana VS European Longsword - Samurai sword VS Knight Broadsword.
Steir12 True, but this is just a practice. If these men used all those classic combative skills with the actual weighted blades, someone could get hurt. This was just a video of two friends having a fun sparring. Not two competitors who are looking to win. Sure this illustrates nothing, but it still was fun to watch.
This is not about full power combat. Im talking about tech. skill/feet work/there is absolutely not progress - its just hey Yo come and hit my stick! Yep that one who is holdin european blade it holds like a boss but technicaly its wrong. Still nice to watch for amateur eye but painfull for the rest.
I not expecting a person to use deadly precision on a sparring. Sparring is all about display and practice. If they do not meet the right potential skill, then they can practice on that skill with study and more sparring with a partner. Even if the partner isn't using the same sword style. It's only for sport, not really for combative use because people these days use guns now...
How important is practising for somebody who cant even hold sword properly? U wanna run and cant walk yet. Im now talking about man who holds european swrd. Cant judge that second one. Im not so experienced with katana. To the second part with guns - mm...agreed, but still sword is the most honourable weapon ever, atleast for me.
There are some videos around that feature full-protection sparring with blunted steel pieces. Those are very interesting to watch, particularly when they cross over different kinds of swords.
At the time of viewing this 14 years has passed since the creation of the content. The revival of historical European martial arts was in it infancy. Since then more people have made interpretation of the texts and put it to practice. The skill of swordsmanship pertaing to welding the long sword has grown exponentially.
***** Personally I'd say the contrary - when he tried wakigamae stance to hide the sword, all it did was leave him unnecessarily open. It might give you some element of surprise when you first meet an enemy and he doesn't know your sword length, but after engaging with him already and using a run of the mill bokuto that's just not going to be the case.
William Bryant The pointing to the ground is Gedan, a basic stance. Not sure about the angle of his hands on the grip and whipping around of the sword - maybe his school does it that way - I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there, but what looked weird to me was lack of suri ashi and the often twisted heels and hips when cutting which are very basic things. I thought those are pretty universal, even across different ryuha, thus I wondered if he was learning it in some school that way, or if he's self learned.
Suyamu i dont really know anything of actual sword fighting but the way he used the sword when he swung and how he kept a simple stance standing upward it felt like he was staying on the defensive and waiting for the long-swordsman to make his move. he seemed to be waiting for parrying chances rather then outright attack head on. he was keeping up his defenses based on the fact he never really changed his stance from being straight he basically made himself a wall and because his back was straight aloud him to keep his form when he did need to parry the attacks as well as keep blocking strength. plus the guy had to have practiced long and hard he was parrying things normal people wouldnt even think to see and lightning fast too. but the stance he kept. it was very formal not used to seeing that as a man swings a blade in most styles. the stance is normally a little more outspoken... so because of this i would say he would likely have to be somewhat self taught. i mean heck he forced the other guy out of his stance several times he was clearly in a league of his own. but then again i could see the reason why the man stuck with this wall like stance the whole match. the long sword has much better reach then his blade. but in that case parrying and getting within the longsword-mans range would be his best bet considering its hard to attack or defend when so close. basically. i seem to think that regardless of how experienced the two fighters were the long-swordsman was at a disadvantage against that particular fighting style. thats just my opinion and personal observation. i dont really know anything about sword fighting styles and sword fighting arts,
William Bryant If you did kendo, then you would understand that he can point his sword to the ground because the distance between the two were far enough that he does not have to have his bokken ready
This was an awesome spar, great skill on both sides and I like the shoulder bump the two made after they finished, the respect these two have makes this spar very wholesome
Nice sparring...with no safety gear. They both have good technique and are very cautious. It shows they have mutual respect for each other. You learn a lot from a sparring like this. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Respect!
The problem is not how quick you are its that those are 2 different sword style the longsword has the advantage to keep you at distance and big moves with long range attacks, the katana is made for close contact and quick strikes the two are great sword that made there reputation through history and that you can not argue with i own 3 katanas and have much respect for longswords will be my next purchase
I agree. Concuerdo. Si el caballero medieval europeo lograse imponer su ventaja, destrozaría a su oponente, pero el bokken es más ágil y tiene más posiciones, por lo que puede encontrarle las costuras al poderoso traje de la espada larga.
Katana made for close range? Are you batty, sir? This guy in the vid is okay, but he's not a good example. Kenjutsu (done properly) is all about shifting your weight to your leading knee, and bounding off your back foot... that is to say, a jumping attack that expands your range. I have used the technique I myself to beat someone wielding a flipping greatsword (3.5 foot blade). So no. Only people with shitty technique stay in their little circle and go for close range.
Alexander Hill No what i was pointing out is the katana is shorter compared to the longsword and this is practice not a full out fight... if you have masterd it ok good for you but not everyone is at that point and yes i'm not but its always interesting to have at least a visual observation of a longsword technique compared to a katana and having them fighting? Why not? So the discution "longsword or katana" continues...
Alexander Hill The katana is just a European saber without a hand-guard. It's about the same length and used in a similar style with lunges and cuts. It's most certainly a "shorter range" weapon than a longsword.
finde die wahl der waffen eher unglücklich. mit so einem holzschwert muss man sich doch sehr zurückhalten, damit man nicht aus versehen mal nen finger bricht (oder den kehlkopf... o.O).
Yeah, he seems less experienced than his partner. It could also be the style he trains. I can tell it is most likely german. If not its fiore. Mine in particular is Bolognese, and many of our guards are much different than the germans or earlier italians. Our swords are also longer so it makes sense
Me and my best friend in 3rd grade when we find two rulers:
nah,we did it in 2nd grade
And then the ruler broke...
We use to do this in everygrade
@@humanyter7214
The real highlight of everyone’s school experience was when you graduated from rulers to yard sticks.
@@zildiun2327 lol
Did all y'all complainers in the comments notice how the two martial artists respected each other and had a good time sparring instead of whining about which weapon is objectively best?
No safety equipment for your opponent does not show respect.
Except that Kendo armour wouldnt really help that much since its designed for protecting areas where one has to strike to gain a point in an actual match, besides trusting ur opponent notto break ur fingers or ribs is a pretty huge way of showing respect.
who wins has more to do with the skills of the individual and less with the weapon they're using
Thank you for your positive comment.
@@tiemekoenders2853 well in this scenario yes but in a real life battle between a Knight and a samurai I think weapon choice does count for something
the amount of fucking sword experts under these videos never cease to amaze me lol
To be fair, half the people here stumble on this video by accident, while the other half is part of the HEMA community so they know more than most.
im here on youtube rec.....☕
@@evgenybelilovskiy1205 and kendo too. Like me.
While we were enjoying this display of sportsmanship and a demo into a curiosity I’m sure many of us have had at one point, the rest were studying the blade.
@@Michael-ll6px hahaha nice one
1:48 when you remember you're using a *long* sword
*poke*
_r e a c h_
Dude straight up forgot how to poke
Longsword dude actually won.
S T R E M C H
Katana users will lose 100% of the time in a real fight because they cannot unscrew their pommel and end their opponents rightly.
Yama Yami look up "end him rightly" meme.
How will you make some time if you're already at a disadvantage using a naturally inferior weapon? There's nothing more simple to understand than that.
lol correct!
I admit it is a formidable weapon, but it is nothing when faced with a true warrior with the spirit of the great dragon by his side and a katana to cut down his enemy!
elmohead why is this a meme lmao
Despite the fanboys in the comments this spar seems pretty equal. These types of videos should really be labelled, "Man with Bokken vs. Man with Longsword". If you swapped out either one with a different fighter the result could be vastly different. Maybe a different guy with a Bokken would be faster and land twice as more hits or maybe a different Longsword guy would wipe out this Bokken guy. It's about the fighter not the style. There are simply too many factors to conclusively say "This style will always win over another style"
I couldn't have agreed more. Each and every sword, be it Japanese, Chinese, Roman, Greek, Indo-persian, Caucasian, European, turkic, of the Renaissance, etc. has it's negatives and positives, what matters quite a lot is the mind of the swordsman. Techniques, styles, sword types, and a select few other factors that some of these armchair warriors talk about, do not play a big role as compared to the mind of a human. Everything one may learn has to be applied to certain situations and advantages.
it'd be a safe bet to say; it's the swordsman that wins not the sword.
I completely agree. Also at about 1:22 or so the Long sword man pulls what would of been a blow to the head on his opponent, about 4-6 seconds latter the boken guy does the same thing. I just love this video because it shows both of these guys being sportsmen and enjoying the competition.
though that's why there is different style's to counter the other one :/
I wouldn't say style, but swords do matter. The thrust at 1:48, although ultimately defendable, shows just how much of an advantage in range the longsword has. Add to that no handguard on the bokken and I would be sliding down that blade for his hands and forarms, while staying out of reach all day. They had 3 or 4 double-kills, which is what the guy with the shorter blade almost has to expose himself to, in order to get close enough to hit.
Of course, it is not the sword that wins the fight, but these factors just make longsword more forgiving in a one-on-one like this one.
no helmets. no helmets. NO FUCKING HELMETS
Matei Tudor no need. no need. NO FUCKING NEED
+Trin Panapan Helmets are for people who want to do it more than once.
***** Yeah, you'd rather have them fighting with real katana? This belongs on youtube, not hiddenlol
+Dwight Schrute Yeah, right... Bokken practice is part of a Martial Art. Learning the form is one of the essential parts of Kendo and Kendo is one of the most respected Sports in Japan and Korea. Handling a Bokken basically equals handling a Katana, which is why higher ranked kendoka often use Katanas for public demonstrations.
+Matei Tudor I've been hit in the head with a red oak bokken. It hurt, left a scar, and I learned a valuable lesson.
Most of the time, if people are serious about the art, and they have a partner who is also serious, they can tell when a blow is about to go wrong, and they pull back. Kinda like at the end of this video, the guy with the bokken could have delivered a bad blow to the head when the buzzer sounded. But he pulled back.
The guy I was sparring with didn't have quite his reflexes. Neither did I.
Hence the scar and the lesson.
If you don't want to get hurt, play chess. If you don't trust your partner not to hit you badly, don't spar with them.
Problem solved.
1:52 The rare double-knockout, otherwise known as "free stuff" to observers when this happened in a real duel.
One of thems murdered, the other one got his elbow cut up some. And maybe his thigh poked into depending on some variables
yeah, bokken guy was faster in beheading the dude
@@TaoistSwordsman Long sword guy with carotid artery is certainly going to die
Bokken guy with a cut at around L4 L5 level would likely open up the common iliac artery and descending aorta. Plus the momentum to the upper arm which could damage axillary artery and brachial artery would still be fatal but would last a bit longer than his enemy.
In the field they would both die without a doubt. Zero chance of surviving unless they are duelling in the operating room.
@@BasedApricot exactly haha
i love this coment, and, as a HEMA practitioner, doubles arent that rare, mainly becouse if you are definitely getting hit, hitting back is a good way to avoid your adversary making points (doubles dont count basically you are taught to have absolute control of your enemies sword, you have to be able to hit while also making imposible to be hit, tho i guess thats a bit obvious)
Why does this video have so many dislikes? It's just a fencing bout between two martial artists. It's not making any idiotic claims about the weapons.
I thought it was pretty fun to watch.
+Noah Weisbrod It's because the guy with the longsword is trash
+Noah Weisbrod The thing is that the guy with LS does not fight by all known "Fechtbuch" art. He just swings it all around playing braveheart stuff. If we want to make such competition let's have two swordmasters from different cultures (or at least fighting according different cultures rules) duel. I do not see "ox" or "plought" stance here, no basic hits, nothing. That's why I geve it dislike.
+Urban Kępa Okay, he does stay somewhere between poste breve and longa most of the time.
+Noah Weisbrod They have excellent control with their weapons.
+Noah Weisbrod It's amusing but the guy with the bokken is missing so many openings that it's distracting. Against a better fencer, the guy with the longsword would have lost each and every time he starting waving it about like he's in a pirate movie. At the least, the bokken could have stopped into his wrists on virtually every 'attack' the longsword guy made.
Both look like they know what they are doing. Holding back on the last half a second to prevent injury.
What I appreciate the most is how their opponent respects the strike. More often than not in sparring one person will pull their strike, showing that they could have hit them but did not. My pet peeve is when my sparring partner ignores this courtesy completely and whacks me as I reset for a new round. (Hand to hand)
I like this fight. considerable skill on both sides, and both fight with respect towards their opponent.
Yes, all to often one of the fighters is much more experienced, or skilled. And respect is also important.
Respect is important
jk
Hao Chao Tsi Minh Those who live without respect die without honor.
Aye, a man without respect is a man without honor
Hail respectmanship!
They are obviously good friends, look at the bromance nudge at the end.
Nice to see two different styles testing each others skills. IMHO, considering the use of training weapons and lacking protection it was a fairly even duel.
I train with bokken without protection too. The objective is not to actually hit your opponent but to have enough control to end the strike just short of the intented target.
I think the comments referring to videogames are quite amusing. Every once in a while we get a gamer in the dojo. They usually don't last very long after they find out that a two hour training session is hard work.. 😂
That’s why I love sword better than guns although guns come in different sizes range accuracy and bullets unlike swords there is just not that cultural clash of them clashing together to make a new launguage to see which one is truly better
Wasn't he supposed to have a tsuka in his bokken to protect his hands?
Michiel M.
I’m quite a rare person, I’m a gamer and a weeb and yet I’m still a brown belt, I never gave up, (most of my friends who were gamers gave up) and now I’m soon going to be learning to use a bokken.
Moral of the story: even if your a gamer, you can still be a martial artist.
@@josejoaquinbenitez6485 yea he should have because if you use a real sword, then not using one will lead to failure, because real Japanese sword are the sharpest swords ever
@@heartsofgoldd7388 Not really, the technique used is what makes it the sharpest in practice, fumikomi, using the body instead of the arms and all, but in design there are a lot better weapons to actually cut, the longsword would be an example, not for design, but instead quality in makeshift, if I'm talking about the design then the cimitar.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a Jendo apprentice and I think the katana is a wonderful cutting weapon and I love it, but it ain't the best, I might put this as an opinion, because this is actually subjective
Also, a friendly bow to a fellow martial artist gamer weeb whatever non quitter
For honor.
Knight did it wrong, I saw no vortex spam
LOL
dAUbeNy
orochi wins
warden was to slow😝
Looool!hahaha
Hahahahaha oh the comments section! Everyone is an expert hahahahaha
Agree. Keyboard warrior everywhere.
You dont have to be expert to say that medieval knight would easy win against Samurai just because katana cannot pierce his armor yikes
@@Paracelsus00 lol. Which idiot try to pierce through a plate armor with a sword?
Western sword style and easter sword style are very different.
U dont use katana with western style.
Gotta love the comment section.
@@Paracelsus00 we got another expert here...
I love how they fence and no matter how it goes, they honor and respect each other. I don’t know if I’m right or it’s just me, but the kendo practitioner seems more experienced, with how he doesn’t fall for the fake attacks and taunts the other attempts. However, the guy with the longsword adapted quickly, which made it pretty equal, even if either had more experience by their techniques. A lot of people will look at this video as a friendly and honorable sparring session, but others will try to make the katana or longsword seem superior and degrade the skill of the opposite side of the argument. If there’s something I learned all this time being a sword fan and have practiced at least once kendo and a bit of longsword, is that no sword is better than the other, but the techniques and the wielded are who truly make even the most useless piece of junk work the best.
1:48
Warden OP
Orochi tries deflecting ... still dies
My exact life story
For Honor
Each style has its own advantages. Its all about the fighter. I personally favor the longsword for its versatility, also for the culture it represents (im european). One of the best sword styles ever, created as a martial science by the german, italian, spanish masters etc. Yet, as a general idea, its an advantage for a longsword disciple to learn/practice degree of kendo, kenjutsu, and/or chinese/korean styles etc, just to have a wider point of view, helps building up versatility. I practiced kendo up to a professional level, and some iaido. LS suits me better, but i dont disregard other styles, no matter their point of origin. Also i think, at least in Europe, longsword discipline should expand more, its a cultural thing. We embrace the japanese martial arts, chinese, korean, thai etc, but what about our own?
Combining the two would be great. Kenjutsu is more refined and taken to a higher level then the western sword methods, most due to westerners not maintaining the practice. The resurrection of the skills will take a long time to make up the difference
If they had protective gear and could go all out would be better :/
Cuz of safety both hesitated quite a lot
+Seraphim HaanS Though, in a life or death fight, you might be hesitant as well.
+0hn0haha maybe in a duel but with plate armor there is no really need to hesitate. Besides when an actual battle occurred there was no time for slow ass comat. I always imagine it like a game of american football but woth swords xD anyway, not like a samurai and knight would meet but aby bit of protective gear would let them actually to try out cuts. Look up on youtube videos of hema masters fencing or 2 guys with zveinhander techniques :) they all show quite direct hits
Seraphim HaanS Ah, I see, you want it to replicate war. I was thinking more of a duel context. I'm a Hema person btw.
+Seraphim HaanS That is basically how European war was fought. Like American football. You tried to get the best positions (Knowing the battlefield, strategy), then both forces just ran right into each other, the first to falter(Hole in the line) was literally fucked because as soon as you turned around and ran the knights came riding you down.
Then you regrouped and do battle again.
Riveted chainmail vs samurai iron&leather armour.
This seems an unwise sparring session. They should have more protection. Wooden weapons are still potentially hazardous.
***** What the fuck even are you? Get off the internet.
Do you think the European knights and the Japanese samurai wore fucking protection?
Зиновий Варенников Training not really, Fighting Yes...because its someones life behind that sword...
Зиновий Варенников Actually yes.. yes they did
Зиновий Варенников Yes, all the time.
0:39 real use of japanese sword technique, but there's no finishing move afterwards
Nice parry tho
The longsword guy was really visibly off balance too lol watch his feet
u coulda unscrewed the pommel and thrown it at him XDDD
would've ended him rightly...
+Ruben Gerritsen indeed. Skall has taught us well friend
yeah but they were just sparring so I don't think there's a need to kill your opponent and cause collateral damage
+Snoop Azlan collateral damage is always needed when someone challenges the mighty pommel
InstaWin! xD
1:48... EASY!
hahaha
Hahahahaha
then 3 seconds later 1:51
@@MrFiddleedee 1:51 is a draw
@Jon Jones this depends on the rules, all of the "hits" your referencing had as much force as a love tap, and wouldn't have hurt even an unarmored foe. If they were playing first to poke the other dude lightly and do nothing, sure he won. But I believe they are playing, first to land an actual strike that they have to slow down to not hurt their friend.
Cool video, but the hypothetical "Euro-Knight vs Samurai" flamewar comments kinda makes it... unfun to stick around...
Don't give a shit about which sword is better, Warhammers FTW.
Battle axe and shield for me! Though I would be willing to use a warhammer instead. ^^^And yes indeed, a lot of people just want to prove their own superiority that THEIR weapon/martial art is the best unmatched by anything.
it's not easy to compare this two beautiful techniques, the real difference was given by fighters.
Anyway, in european battlefield was not usual to see sword armed fighters. The longsword was considered a noble weapon and it's mainly used in dueling or skirmish.
In normal battles was more common to see maces, morning stars, pikes, two-handed hammers, axes, poleaxes and shields.
Im just sitting here stroking my guns and knives and improvised weapons.
-Ðёмøи Ḻøяḓ Ðylaи - edgy
Ivan Caprioli To much heavy weapons to fight the agility of a samurai i think
I find these types of fights fantastic. The two swird styles clash in a fight of experience instead of "which is better" the wielder of the weapon is what's important regardless of the style they use. In this vid you can see the contrast of both fighters and the styles they use. One speratic and constantly moving to keep variation, while the other is cool and collected trying to anticipate the next attack. The anticipated defense is a very high risk high reward style.
I applaud both gentlemen for this effort to try and exchange knowledge and experience. This is how we should treat eachother. With mutual respect and desire to learn. Well done. Ps samurai get your heads out of your ass: the katana is a sword. Not a magical item. Period.. And HEMA get of your high horse: the katana is a sword. Not an inferior slab of steel. Period. .See what i did there? Good luck to you all. Train hard and prosper.
Rim Andries you made me lol there
Rim Andries i wish you said katana cultist cause you would given me the chance to say im a hema cultist (see what i did there)
i see it and i like it
See my video "A conquistador refutes the Metatorn on Samurais VS Spaniards."
Me and my friends after the first time of playing For Honor
0:30 dark souls 3 duels.
You know they're crazy skilled when neither of them needs to be taken to the hospital after this.
Two wooden sticks wielded by guys from different disciplines get together to fight. Who wins?
...
The guy who trained harder.
It's pretty fun to watch both sides analyzing how to apply their skills and weapons against something completely different from what they are used to face, because both sides probably train most of time with people that uses the same style.
One mistake and the bokken can slash several times or one mistake and the langschwert can land a pretty heavy blow.
It's not about the weapon but the person wielding it
A very good statement.
@@natep2809 so let's fight, you take knife and i take halberd, who do you think will win most of the time?
@@SwordWieldingDuck skilled knife user wins on close combat
@@zulwawi Sorry man but that aint true
@@sorrenzz3610 yes it is true have u seen russian combat knife and asian kerambit play like on john wick 3
One thing that I see regularly in "Katana vs Longsword" videos is that katana wielders (no matter if Aikido, Kendo or Iaido) seem to act more reserved. While the longsword wielder more often jumps around, tries to faint and break his opponents guard physically.
I'm no expert whatsoever, yet I would say that I know my way with a katana. During my training the Sensei advised us to stay focused and calm. Like the surface of a lake during a windless night. But also to be ready to break loose like a wave that forces its way through the opponent.
My point is, Kendo is pretty intense for your mind. I'd even say that many matches are decided by mental work in Kendo. Of course you need to be fit in shape and form, but it seems to me like HEMA focusses more on actual physical work than mental (may call it mindgames at this point as well.)
I'd love to have some of you actual HEMA practicioners thought on this.
The mindset of the aikido person here is pretty ideal. Generally any movement creates attacking opportunities if caught before its completion. As you get a better understanding why and when to move or react, the less reason you have to move and flinch and feignt, most of the time. This is something that becomes really pronounced between two people fencing, where one is much more experienced/competent.
And moving less, you have more time to react to any oportunities your opponent presents.
Think about it this way. When you are not moving you are observing, the more confident you are in knowing when you Have to move and react, the more time you have to observe and wait for a good time to land a hit or create a good opportunity to seize the initiative.
The person more reserved towards executing more commited actions, observing and judging from the right distance can see better where and when to strike, though it takes a pretty good fencer to stay in good distance, baiting the opponents strikes, without easily get hit in the process.
In this ideal case the unfortunate one trying to move, feignt attack and observe at the same time, has more to work with and as a rule has a worse approach to the fight.
Ideally everything you do, either restricts your opponent from immediately hitting you, or severely threatens them, forcing them to go on the defensive. Everything else is fluff, though being only human, working against hesitation and failiure in critical decission making. How we preform is rarely ever up to par with the ideal, though with a capability to demonstrate absolutely impressive skill at times.
Ps: most of the time, I'm the hoppity fencer =3
I don’t know if they teach half swording with a katana but it’s a very effective technique with a long sword that requires patience to set up but is super effective
@@dude4real9455 I do totally agree with you on this one. Though I should add that I'm used to be a quite reserved Kendoka, taking a good time to observe and measure, yet I fail at acting quick enough. So even a calm mind can cost you a point or even the match when your body just can't react the way you want and need it to. That being said, I'm aware that this is nothing I can't work on. Still I need to bring mind and body to one level...
@@eglib499 I had a bit of sparring by now with a Longsword fencer. And well it was pretty much like in this video most of the time. Not to blow my own horn here, but in our particular setup, I was simply more experienced. I think you have a valid point with the tricks up the sleeve. It came across my mind that Kendo is a pretty straight forward fencing style. After I watched some longsowrd instructions, there is just more to it. By all means.
But the fencer needs to be able to put that to use. If the opponent is rather unsure on how to handle you, you really have the upper hand.
@@Trapsarentgay133 I would love to see that.
They should wear some protective gear and go full out
arthurw13 Protective gear makes people being careless and suicidal, hardly authentic. Sometimes, a more restrained sparring without protections can teach you a lot of things.
Sylorinnis
I respect your opinion, but I'd like to disagree. However, I think we might both be correct, as it depends of what do you want to achieve.
In a purely sportive context like modern sport fencing, Kendo or (more and more) HEMA tournaments, yes, you're quite correct.
However, when trying to represent a real fight, there are several big problems with the modern protective equipment:
1) mobility: it is impressive how little you can move with the full sparring gear, my medieval armour offers a lot more freedom of movement!
Honestly, have you ever managed to place a succesful Zwerchhau when with fencing mask, heavy sparring gloves and HEMA gambeson? Or even only to go into the guard Ochs or Posta di Donna? Is it easy for you to use the thumb grip?
2) As I already said, protections make people fight only to score a point instead of also protecting their lives. This is a main reason why many historical techniques don't work in tournaments because they weren't meant to be used against suicidal persons.
Many HEMA fighters who act like crazy Battle of the Nations participants would be completely shocked and passive it they had to fight against a person with a sharp sword.
3) You can do light unprotected sparring without the people ''co-operating''. It depends of course on the amount of skill and training involved, but Daniel Jaquet of GAGschola has made an impressive demonstration with sparring partners only equiped with protective gloves. It looked much better than the silly bashing often involved in tournaments with protections, especially as the mobility without gear allows much more techniques.
Conclusion: in a sportive context, to learn how to strike with full force, protective gear is absolutely necessary. And I would say that anyone has to do at least some amount of protected full force sparring.
However, to understand our ancestors who did train without protections too, I strongly believe that it is of great use to also do light sparring without protective gear.
Sylorinnis
I'm happy that we found an honorable agreement, dear Sir. :-)
All the best to you and your training!
For Honor leaked gameplay footage.
Timbo X, if you think there is such thing as a superior art, you are mistaken. There are people with more skill, people with more dedication, smarter people, but before the fight, equally trained warriors, such as a Samurai or a Medieval Knight, either of them could win... the one who trained longer, the faster one, the stronger one, the smarter one, the luckier one... it is all up to the single person incarnating the warrior on that precise moment... But specially understand, that nothing that you or me can say will change anything. Just train on whatever you practice and find happines, stop trying to win. God bless you and all Martial Arts Practitioners.
in actual combat to the death, the medieval knight would probably have it due simply to the superiority of the fitted plate, vs the samurais lamellar armor. if both were unarmored, it would probably be a coin flip.
Those armors are heavy as @#$%. Endurance is gonna be an issue.
Minh Phan proper, well fit plate is both lighter and restrictes moment less than a modern soldiers gear. Well fit plate weighs around 40Lb. Compare that to the Ō-yoroi (pinnacle of samuri armor) that weight 65+ Lb
rattslayer Not to mention that by the 14th Century at the height of European plate armor the Spanish, Germans, and Italians were making plate armor that could withstand the strongest crossbows of the day, and were reasonably bullet proof into the 16th century. Thus necessitating the shift in sword making among the nobility to ever stronger and narrower straight blades (for stabbing between armor plates).
For Honor Devs after watching this video:
We're makin a game about this
And then one guy take his gun and shot the opponent.
Goodwill does not sell guns.
Ahah I was kidding guys.
Look up 21 foot rule, in close range, you will be cut to pieces even if you manage to draw the gun in time.
you must be fun at parties
I think it was a reference to Indiana Jones
Guy with the katana got cut in like 10 different places.
*bokken
+aldipeanutz *bokutô (never heard any Japanese person use the term bokken)
+kaizoebara well sometimes its called a bokken and sometimes its called a bokuto. They both means the same thing
You don't get it? I just pointed out that this guy failed at making a smart-ass remark, when he himself didn't have a much of a clue. I know that they both mean the same thing, but the term "bokken" is hardly ever used by Japanese native speakers.
kaizoebara im just stating a fact, I dont want to get in any trouble.
It's funny how the guy with the bokken pretends to not care about getting hit and shit like he knows wether it's gonna hit him or not and then.. he gets hit
+Joel Parkour i laugh so hard
No it's just part of training. Like learning not to flinch when someone jabs. Plus if you gauge your range right (called maai in Japanese martial arts) you learn to relax when not in distance. You see this in MMA with karate fighters like machida and Thomson. Just part of their training.
It's no jab it's a fucking sword he died a thousand deaths
@DarkEternal6 half swording only works against armor, and a sword or weapon as big or bigger than a standard longsword, since you can't do grabs like that against a katana. it would be like trying to bear hug someone who has a knife. yes you could, but you'd get stabby stabbed about a thousand times in the mean time
Randy Oh correct, what he should have done is stay at distance and use his greater reach and hand protection to keep the fight as much about trying to hit his opponent's hands as possible....of course, lack of protective gear makes that kind of sparring problematic
0:31..when he press L2.
Lol I can fucking see it happening
Hahahaha!
0:40 damn good reaction
Esbro parry
This was a more interesting fight to watch than most of what is excreted onto the screen by Hollywood.
0:40 - Counter Standing
2:04 - Counter Kill
U R A G A N beautiful.
Let’s be honest when we have a sword in our hand where gonna swing it like Kirito.
Yeah I did that once in a spar I got the hit but I have been attacked three or two times already lol
I tried serious tecniques once against my brother, he responded with wild swinging and stabbing to which i didnt really know how to respond.
Why are they saying "Longsword vs Bokken" that's like a boxing match saying "---- gloves vs ---- gloves" it comes down to skill of the fighter in sword duels not the type swords they use.
Snythes no not at all.
Snythes there are some swords that are simply better than others.For instance,in a 1vs1 duel a rapiers is considered to be the best weapon.
marios matzoros this isn’t a video game, the difference between the weapons is not which is better, it’s their style. Put two skilled swordsman in a duel, one with a rapier, the other a long sword, they both have the same chance of winning. The same goes for a long sword vs zweihander, it’s the skill and style that separates the weapons
Practicing with no PPE whatsoever is a bad idea. Although wooden, those swords can still gouge eyes, cause concussions, etc.
Daric Soldar True, but practicing with protections only will not give you an idea of what it is to fear the blows. I'd say that both training should be done, of course only with trained practicioner.
Daric Soldar They could have put on eye protection or head gear. But they both looked like they knew how to control their strikes and not go full force or strike anywhere dangerous. Beginners wouldnt have the same control and would get seriously hurt
Daric Soldar live by the sword poked by the sword
+Railriderchris I never quite agreed with this mindset. The people I train with are my friends, so when they aren't wearing appropriate protection, I run the risk of injuring them, and therefore don't attack with full intent.
And as you'd expect, my friends/sparring partners feel the same way, so neither of us are attacking at maximum force.
*****
I can understand this. But whether you find this a good idea or not is probably depending on the goal you want to achieve when training with the sword.
1) if you want to do sport, scoring points, being in little danger of being injured, this allowing to strike with full force rather than controlling the weapon, then training without protections will indeed be of little interest to you.
2) But if you want to recreate something more real, like the real swordfight where people are aware that any movement might be the last which makes them being much more cautious, creating a tense situation where striking with full force is less important than doing controlled disabling of the opponent, then you might have a great deal of insight when doing restrained sparring without protections.
Understand that I'm not criticising those who only want to score, or do full contact like in battle of the nations. It is surely a lot of fun, and there's nothing wrong with it.
But when I see HEMA tournaments with a lot of suicidal attacks and double hits, it seems to me that there is a problem with being too protected.
If you have good control over your blade, and if you know your sparring partner well, I encourage you to try it out. If you're not sure about your safety (which nevertheless remains first priority), then begin with fencing masks and maybe gloves as only protections, nylon or wooden swords, slow movements and more intention of doing techniques than sparring.
Then, with time going on, you might remove your gloves and replace the fencing mask with safety glasses.
However, I'm not a huge fan of steel swords in this context, because of the potentially abrasive steel edges after edge blows, and the fact that there is a tendency of doing a lot more cutting like Hendtrucken.
No face masks? No gloves?
Dumb.
Not necessarily, you can tell that these people aren't 6th graders swinging around bulky sticks. It's obvious from their stance and gait that they have a decent amount of discipline and control. If they did this with live blades though? Yeah probably dumb.
Trapo na Looks like they are just banging sticks together.
Sakirtep Satuatyv They're sparring. That's what sparring is.
***** You don´t say! I thought they were breakdancing.
Sakirtep Satuatyv I know, it's hard to tell the difference.
“Just another day with the bros...”
"The long sword is better" "No the katana is better". You know what's better in a fight? A more capable warrior. So to wrap it up for you kids. Both swords have their advantages and disadvantages. Surprise. None of both is perfect. Blown your mind, didn't I? So stop polishing your swords to your favorite swords (if you're catching my drift) and appreciate the battle itself. Swords don't win wars, warriors do.
As someone from a Western fencing background, the kenjutsu guy in this video was the better swordsman. He did receive a few touches, but his form was rock solid the whole time and he didn't seem to concerned by anything the longsword guy threw at him. The sequence from 0:38 to 0:45 was particularly beautiful to watch.
Yes! As a practitioner I agree! He is very very good! Much better than the longswords man. It was not an even fight on skill level.
I agree. I would honestly love to see this kind of match between two people on a more even skill level. It was clear that the longsword fighter was super nervous and unsure of his tactics, while the katana fighter was absolutely focused and one with his weapon. Mad respect to both fighters for their performance, but it’s clear which one had more experience
1:02 *Dramatic anime pause*
*huff, huff, huff...*
Those guys are pretty evenly matched. I love seeing different art forms pinned against eachother.
If you ever tried something like this you know how hard it actually is to fight sword vs sword. One fuck up and you are dead. But i think they both look like they arent just show offs, you can see they have skills. Good Job!
I know that people train with blunt swords well not sure about blunt katanas but they could do it with real swords if they are skilled enough
They used wooden swords at tournaments and people still got killed. Ninjas used wooden swords because steel wasnt afordable for them, they still killed silently. u dont need real swords to practice. besides getting yourself MORE hurt and staying out of practice isnt smart. also if you have experience you know how to keep your distance and wait for the perfect timing and dont charge in like crazy, because both guys end up dead. sword fighting is a lot like anderson silvas counter striking style, thats whats gonna keep you alive in a real combat situation.
I just want to say that try not to worry too much about the sword, but the skills of the man you're fighting. One little mistake and it's the end of the fight. Never underestimate your opponent.
Dark angel is right in reality it is one individual again the other. But, as this was playtime it's all good.
Good reason to wear masks. They both thought they were at the level where they could show beginners that masks are not cool.
Why must every argument over Katana vs Longsword must end in one dedicated style. Whomever was more experienced with that blade would be the victor. Both combatants in this video show that both are pretty equally skilled. Also, both combatants seemed to have landed similar hits. While Knights were more armored, it's not like other Japanese warriors were any less armored. The average foot soldier was lightly armored. Both swords are excellence but also can be over hyped. Both have jobs they are good at and their own fighting styles.
Because there is a lot of pride and belief in this dick-waving contest. There has to be a winner. In this day and age, people will settle for nothing less.
but I actually heard that good-quality iron was rare in Japan, but common in Europe, that means more armour for the European and their half-swording style.
realenew While that comment is not wrong, iron was scarce in Japan, the sword makers figured out a way to forge two types of steel into one blade, allowing for the sharpness of each sword. Both swords are fantastic in my opinion, and have their advantages and disadvantages
I clicked on this video because I knew the comments section was going to be full of "experts" and it did not disappoint.
Was expecting Japanese master vs a drunk scotsman, disappointed.
Lovely exchange. Respect shown. Good video.
Warden vs Orochi real footage
a bunch of dislikes mashed by fingers too feeble to properly grip a sword of any kind and piloted by minds too dull to actually understand a single thing that happened in any of these exchanges
Now put masks and gambesons on each of them. You will have an entirely different duel.
But no gloves, just so they realize how hard it is to wipe with broken fingers.
that William Wallace being chasing after by Nobunaga,
Nobunaga wasn't more a firegun like warrior?
haha, he uses the trained peasant to do that dirty works for him, the ashigaru are easier to train than the arrogant samurai, he adapted a modern warfare to dealing with the hostile who fierce with the calvary army, and indeed effectively, he made his ways so far, his campaign leading to a unification of japan continuing by his successor daimyos Toyotomi and Tokugawa after him.
The longsword guy was being too polite, he could have hit him lots of times.
i have a feeling you're getting confused by the bokken guy calling all those feints.
Torc Handsomeson Some of them weren't feints. If he had just followed through he would have cracked the poor guy's skull open.
Even if they were feints, why would anybody allow an opening and leave luck to deciding whether they get stabbed or not.
because if you react to a feint then you open yourself up to a real attack somewhere else. that's what a feint is for.
Torc Handsomeson So what you're saying is basically that, if the longsword guy HAD followed through, the boken guy would be dead, but the boken guy was psychic and knew he wouldn't.
Those two were really evenly matched... that was really impressive to watch, thanks ^.^
Am I the only one who thought of darksouls 3 @ 0:31
>Stance!!
This was literally me starting with knight class and fighting the sword master on my first play through
lol you're not alone. me too xD
awwww shieettt soo tru hahaha
And then again at 0:43 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1
Two different weapons for two different kinds of warfare. An interesting crossover, but to say one style of swordsmanship is superior over an another is simply crass.
primary targets in a duel are arms/hands, legs/feeet, trying to hit the head or trunk without first injuring/weakening/disarming your opponent, will get you KILLED.
I have to disagree with you about the legs and absolutley about feets. Feets are really difficult to hit because they are so low and your shoulder are so high. With a longword you have to get about half a meter closer to be able to hit a foot than if you where aming for the torso.
nuh-uh
the legs are really easy to hit the feet is an interesting topic, this came about when we were looking at possibilities when dueling with sword and dagger, while it may be possible, I think it highly unlikely anyone would go down that road.
nuh uh dont really contribute to the conversation.
gurkfisk89
upper legs and armpits were the main targets for longswords and broadswords... look it up...
TheGabesnell Upper legs are a target, but I wouldn't call it a main one. And the upper legs are more of a target than the lower legs, but I still wouldn't call it the main target.
Codex Döbringer (MS 3227a) does for example state that you should attack "to the head or to the body" many times so I think that at least the head would be considered a main target. And nearly every strike I've seen is aimed towards the head or torso.
For the armpits. That is absolutley true if we are talking about armored fighting (if we are, then I'm sorry for the misunderstanding). But in unarmored fighting I'm not that sure. What kind of attack would you use with a longsword to attack the armpit in an unarmored fight?
I can see that you may hit the armpit when striking, say, a zwerchau from a high bind. But even then I would say that the strike is aimed towards the upper body in general rather than the armpit specifically.
What sources are you refering to when you say that the upper legs and armpits are the main targets?
You score one point for arm or leg, two points for chest, three points for head, and 100 points for rapping the guy in the knuckles, plus an extra 5 points if he yelps.
The long sword guy simply does not abuse of his range and the katana guy is not offensive at all.
reactive playstyle is far better than offensive
Kendo mask? Sabre fancing mask? Anyone? Protective vest? It is pointless if you dont want to hit somebody.
Improper title
This is a Man vs Man not weapon type vs weapon type.
+Just so I can Fing coment How much of a stickler do ya have to be?
Just tired of the (This weapon vs that weapon = oh this weapon is better, because it was wielded by someone more skilled with it's counter part than the one it is being pitted against.)
...You are ABSOLUTELY right! XD
While it's true that it's man vs man instead of weapon vs weapon, that's also because it's impossible to have a strictly weapon compairison.
I think this video did demonstrate some of the distinct advantages and disadvantages of the different swords and style though. There are different advantages in different contexts to each weapon, and both the katana and longsword were engineered to fight the enemies and equipment of their time and region.
For example, the longsword has a slightly better reach and a more effective thrust, as well as being more nimble in the point. The katana has a heavier cutting edge, and can cut effectively down almost the entire length of the blade, while the long sword is only really effective at cutting from about 1/2 to 3/4 down the blade due to the tapered tip.
There are features of each blade that make them more effective than the other in different area, as well as having training to maximize their features.
Personally I don't consider either a better weapon than the other, only better in certain situations. I do think the long sword is a bit more versatile than the katana, and able to maintain effectiveness in more situations, but I think the katana is a bit more deadly when in the right context due to its better capacity for cutting.
The one thing I absolutely think the long sword is better at though is hand protection. I do not think the katanas disc guard provides any real advantage over a cross guard.
+apollo grach very very good outlook on the two very different swords from two very different regions and cultures with completely different fighting styles
Watching the guy with the longsword is almost painful- though I can understand it's hard not to have a static stance. In the art of the longsword wards are meant to be windups and not static positions, your sword is meant to be in constant motion and not in a consistent position that can be read.
This is like watching dark souls. Dexterity build vs Strength build.
+Ridalia like watching GOOD dark souls. No spaming brats and no backstab fishers
+Ridalia which fighter is which build?
Nah. Only Dark Souls dex weapons have realistic movement. Strength weapons are crazy shit like hammers the size of cars.
Noah Weisbrod 'dex weapons' aren't more realistic. You probably meant swords (katanas, straight swords and scimatars), spears and halberts. Scythes are dex weapons and... Well... They are as usefull as a human-sized hammer in a battle.
The Great Scythe is an exception, but the uchi, balder sword, falchion, scimitar, painting sword, Ricard's etc. all move semi-reasonably.
Long sword with kendo techniques? it disappoint me....
I just can see.. kendo vs kendo with diferent swords...
Heheh, I'd like to see a kendoka with an epee
a lot of techniques are semi universal between sword styles
+apollo grach both styles were developed in different places
but a sword is still a sword,and it is still used in the same way as a sword, they're really are not THAT many ways to hit someone with a sword, especially since both a katana and longsword are TWO handed swords they will share a lot, if not all, of the same techniques.
Depends... you can use any sword to hit something, but if you have no techniques, you will no cut right and no enjoy all potential of your sword. The style of fights from European sword, and oriental katana, Kenjutsu, is diferent,I expected a better show of styles, but what i can see is the same, my critique was about that...
That last parry/blow was awesome.
It's not about the sword, it's about the wielder.
This would be more awesome if they wear protective gear..
Exactly. This s a bit older, and HEMA has evolved but...no gear is a no-no, regardless of the level of expertise.
no i don't think so tbh =) but everybody has his own taste
0:38 Has to be the most beautiful parry I've ever fucking seen
Too bad he didn't follow up ughh
a real katana would have broken the long sword, it's been tested
You're being sarcastic, isn't it? Oh dear, I really hope you're not serious...
it's been tested, because we have don it, young men.
リベラジムリ
It has been tested? By whom, with which swords, made in which way?
You're free to show up some evidences, but for the meantime it is obvious that you're talking nonsense. A Katana isn't more able to break a Longsword than any other sword to break any other sword (of course it can happen, but it has more to do with a failure in the broken blade than a particular sword's abilities...)
Railriderchris obvious?! nonsense?!... wow.. yeah length and balance is crucial for the one who wields the sword, me an my friend a German Long sword master have tested the potential of both of them in my home town in japan and the result was 99.3 percent for the katana to win. Your brute force does not work whit the accuracy and strength of the katana but you dont have to believe me You can continue your ignorance if you like just look for videos on youtube like Forging a Katana ( Japanese Samurai Sword ) or Japanese Katana VS European Longsword - Samurai sword VS Knight Broadsword.
リベラジムリ shut the fuck up, you have no idea what you are talking about.
The only and biggest mistake- they’re not making lightsaber noises with their mouths.
Just to let you know, it's not a longsword. They;re called "wasters", kinda like how wooden swords of Japan-esque design are bokken.
Welcome back to the stage of history!
Steir12 True, but this is just a practice. If these men used all those classic combative skills with the actual weighted blades, someone could get hurt. This was just a video of two friends having a fun sparring. Not two competitors who are looking to win. Sure this illustrates nothing, but it still was fun to watch.
This is not about full power combat. Im talking about tech. skill/feet work/there is absolutely not progress - its just hey Yo come and hit my stick! Yep that one who is holdin european blade it holds like a boss but technicaly its wrong. Still nice to watch for amateur eye but painfull for the rest.
I not expecting a person to use deadly precision on a sparring. Sparring is all about display and practice. If they do not meet the right potential skill, then they can practice on that skill with study and more sparring with a partner. Even if the partner isn't using the same sword style. It's only for sport, not really for combative use because people these days use guns now...
How important is practising for somebody who cant even hold sword properly? U wanna run and cant walk yet. Im now talking about man who holds european swrd. Cant judge that second one. Im not so experienced with katana. To the second part with guns - mm...agreed, but still sword is the most honourable weapon ever, atleast for me.
It's good that you still honor the blade.
There are some videos around that feature full-protection sparring with blunted steel pieces. Those are very interesting to watch, particularly when they cross over different kinds of swords.
The guy with Bokken is an Aikidoka. Good to see the application of the technique.
I’ve had some good fights similar to this in the park with my son using sticks we were pretending were light sabres
At the time of viewing this 14 years has passed since the creation of the content. The revival of historical European martial arts was in it infancy. Since then more people have made interpretation of the texts and put it to practice. The skill of swordsmanship pertaing to welding the long sword has grown exponentially.
shouldnt that be longwood? :D
+dies irae nice try to make a joke, i laughed, but nice try
+dies irae The term "waster" would be fitting.
Fucc
Wouldn't be a more even a match if it was a contest between the long sword and a Nodachi sword ?
Does the Bokken guy actually practice for real with it? His footwork for the most parts looked nothing like what is taught in Japanese swordfighting.
Suyamu I agree, I do Kendo and he doesnt seem to practice mcuh, his sword is always pointing to the ground as well:P
***** Personally I'd say the contrary - when he tried wakigamae stance to hide the sword, all it did was leave him unnecessarily open. It might give you some element of surprise when you first meet an enemy and he doesn't know your sword length, but after engaging with him already and using a run of the mill bokuto that's just not going to be the case.
William Bryant The pointing to the ground is Gedan, a basic stance. Not sure about the angle of his hands on the grip and whipping around of the sword - maybe his school does it that way - I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there, but what looked weird to me was lack of suri ashi and the often twisted heels and hips when cutting which are very basic things. I thought those are pretty universal, even across different ryuha, thus I wondered if he was learning it in some school that way, or if he's self learned.
Suyamu i dont really know anything of actual sword fighting but the way he used the sword when he swung and how he kept a simple stance standing upward it felt like he was staying on the defensive and waiting for the long-swordsman to make his move. he seemed to be waiting for parrying chances rather then outright attack head on. he was keeping up his defenses based on the fact he never really changed his stance from being straight he basically made himself a wall and because his back was straight aloud him to keep his form when he did need to parry the attacks as well as keep blocking strength. plus the guy had to have practiced long and hard he was parrying things normal people wouldnt even think to see and lightning fast too. but the stance he kept. it was very formal not used to seeing that as a man swings a blade in most styles. the stance is normally a little more outspoken... so because of this i would say he would likely have to be somewhat self taught. i mean heck he forced the other guy out of his stance several times he was clearly in a league of his own. but then again i could see the reason why the man stuck with this wall like stance the whole match. the long sword has much better reach then his blade. but in that case parrying and getting within the longsword-mans range would be his best bet considering its hard to attack or defend when so close. basically. i seem to think that regardless of how experienced the two fighters were the long-swordsman was at a disadvantage against that particular fighting style. thats just my opinion and personal observation. i dont really know anything about sword fighting styles and sword fighting arts,
William Bryant If you did kendo, then you would understand that he can point his sword to the ground because the distance between the two were far enough that he does not have to have his bokken ready
This was an awesome spar, great skill on both sides and I like the shoulder bump the two made after they finished, the respect these two have makes this spar very wholesome
Huge difference in footwork there. Aikido guy is super smooth.
In the hands of a true master, a boat oar will win every time.
The katana is so short, lol..
and historically it's approximately the same weight
which is why good footwork is needed.
Dan Loving ..to achieve the same effectiveness as a longsword-wielder, who doesn't need to dance in fear so much.
Dan Loving Which is why it loses
styles dont' lose. people do.
Nice sparring...with no safety gear. They both have good technique and are very cautious. It shows they have mutual respect for each other. You learn a lot from a sparring like this. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Respect!
The problem is not how quick you are its that those are 2 different sword style the longsword has the advantage to keep you at distance and big moves with long range attacks, the katana is made for close contact and quick strikes the two are great sword that made there reputation through history and that you can not argue with i own 3 katanas and have much respect for longswords will be my next purchase
I agree. Concuerdo. Si el caballero medieval europeo lograse imponer su ventaja, destrozaría a su oponente, pero el bokken es más ágil y tiene más posiciones, por lo que puede encontrarle las costuras al poderoso traje de la espada larga.
Katana made for close range? Are you batty, sir? This guy in the vid is okay, but he's not a good example. Kenjutsu (done properly) is all about shifting your weight to your leading knee, and bounding off your back foot... that is to say, a jumping attack that expands your range. I have used the technique I myself to beat someone wielding a flipping greatsword (3.5 foot blade). So no. Only people with shitty technique stay in their little circle and go for close range.
Alexander Hill
No what i was pointing out is the katana is shorter compared to the longsword and this is practice not a full out fight... if you have masterd it ok good for you but not everyone is at that point and yes i'm not but its always interesting to have at least a visual observation of a longsword technique compared to a katana and having them fighting? Why not? So the discution "longsword or katana" continues...
Alexander Hill The katana is just a European saber without a hand-guard. It's about the same length and used in a similar style with lunges and cuts. It's most certainly a "shorter range" weapon than a longsword.
Conundrum it is not a saber. It is balanced totally differently and behaves differently. Let's just agree to disagree, sir.
Can we not agree that the long sword dude killed the Bokken guy multiple times
Basketball is getting wild
Ya lebron has gone down hill ever sense the long sword incident
finde die wahl der waffen eher unglücklich.
mit so einem holzschwert muss man sich doch sehr zurückhalten, damit man nicht aus versehen mal nen finger bricht (oder den kehlkopf... o.O).
Good stuff, always like to see cross training. Two things:
1) Masks. Gloves. For your own safety, wear them.
2) Longsword, y u no vom Tag?
Yeah, he seems less experienced than his partner. It could also be the style he trains. I can tell it is most likely german. If not its fiore. Mine in particular is Bolognese, and many of our guards are much different than the germans or earlier italians. Our swords are also longer so it makes sense
Something really graceful about the Bokken guy