(clip) LOTR vs Harry Potter - Bill Schnoebelen
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ม.ค. 2019
- Many conservative Christians have asked this question, "What's the difference between Lord Of The Rings and Harry Potter?" Bill Schnoebelen, a former Warlock and Satanist, shares about what the books intend to teach their audience, and who does the audience want to be like.
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It's actually a lot simpler if one reads the history of middle earth as shown in the Silmarillion. Gandalf is an angelic messenger sent by what is basically an archangel to help guide middle earth out of darkness. His power is literally from the creator. While Sauron and Gandalf are even the same race, Sauron has taken is gifts of power for evil, much like Satan, and Gandalf has not, and remained a faithful messenger.
No joke I'm playing Lotr Online as I listen to this
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Best movie Ever 💕
LOTR is allegorical for the most part. I don't think people use LOTR as their textbook to magic, but rather see it as portrayal of the battle between good and evil. I do.
Black magic exists, and it's something one ought to keep away from. Scary stuff. 😶
Imagine people discussing fictional characters instead of shunning and denouncing pedo priests.
Does anyone know when this video was recorded?
Obrigado.
lord of the rings also promotes nature spirits, animal totems, elves who have eternal life and never die, galadriel is an elven witch(a good witch) who does divination to predict the future
good point
With all due respect, you are wrong, my friend. You are missing some very basic, important literary devices here. This is, unfortunately, the problem with Protestantism; you do not seem to understand or recognise allegory.
The elves are intended to be literary symbols for the angelic world, whilst the orcs are supposed to be demons. Remember, demons are fallen angels. In Tolkien’s world, much like angels, the elves are eternal and were created. The orcs, on the other hand, are supposed to be a mockery of the elves, as they were deliberately moulded by evil powers.
Of course, you guys would know this if you bothered to read the apostolic fathers and the fathers of the early church. But you all strangely believe that Christianity began with the ugly and deeply heretical Protestant Reformation.
Galadriel is supposed to be a representation of the Ever Virgin Mary, the Theotokos; her Greek title, meaning “Mother of God” (you know, Greek…the earliest Christian liturgical language next to Aramaic?). But since you guys hate and despise our Lord’s mother so much you seem to completely miss that as well.
And before you even say it, no, I am not a Roman Catholic, either. I am Orthodox. That, too is a Greek word, meaning “correct belief”.
@@charlesmaximus9161ok first of all, yall BOTH wrong. Secondly, that was a joke, and thirdly, ok im gonna need a minute to read what u wrote. Will update after i done read.
@@charlesmaximus9161Sorry but the author of LORT was a member of the golden dawn and was an avid catholic.
Also, an oft-overlooked fact is that LOTR is meant to be set in the real world, in the ancient past. And Narnia featured what was then present-day England, which is where the main characters are from.
Amém.
wheres this guys old videos about the masons and him being a vampire on a paper route? lol
Yeah Bill Shnobelen directly participated in the Babylon Working
Galadriel was not corrupted.... And she had a ring for a millenia on her body and she wasn't corrupted. She ended being on the good side. I don't think it's this black and white
#bill #schnoebelen
He sounds like John Todd . I wonder if he is John Todd
Saturn alien brotherhood. Lord of the… rings
Does Schnoebelen believe Harry Potter is real? He claimed that he himself was a vampire, so you never know in what kind of a fantasy world he lives.
He claimed that he THOUGHT he was a Vampire, he talks openly how absurd the notion is.. unless he was drinking blood of human victims?
EXACTLY. He was brainwashed, as are MOST initiates. Idk how many testimonies we have to hear to come to the conclusion that maybe, just maybe, there isn't a sublime wisdom to be achieved, only dismantling of the soul by design. That's the dirty little secret about the occult. Bill thankfully got out of it before he fully gave himself over completely. @@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777
The Lord of the Rings doesn't seem to Christian to me
Harry Potter is in the 20th century.
@Will Derby Probably a Slytherin.
LOTR is a masonic story tho
Like a toned down John Todd .
I was actually curious about Todd because he claimed that those books were seen as primers for Druid teachings if I remember correctly
Cant listen to that nauseating drum beat. Gotta go.
Folks, keep in mind that Schnoebelen knows nothing about Paganism because he gets tons of details wrong in his "exposés."
There are no gods portrayed in Lord of the Rings. None. The underlining evil in Lord of the Rings is avorice.
Eru Ilúvatar would like to have a word with you.
"Magic corrupts"...
So Gandalf won't touch the ring... and yet is a wizard who uses... magic...?
More like, masterful portrayal of adventures in overlooking the painfully obvious.
Just to clarify:
"Wizard" is not, strictly speaking (writing), synonomous with sorcerer. In Tolkien's writings the wizards only do what God enables them to do and are wise men (the more literal meaning of the word) and are more like angels within LOTR. They do not use magic in the sense that Saruman does when he falls to Sauron's temptation.
J.K. Rowlings works are not as semantically discerning as Tolkien's and her wizards do use magic, in just about any sense common to English.
So there is a big difference in LOTR between wizards and magic-users that is not present in contemporary English.
@@403902 Was going to note this fact you laid it out very well thank you. Your Hebrew name really makes this interface act weird.
@@403902 Gandalf uses magic, the end.
It seems you think magic and witchcraft are synonmyms but a look at the definition and its historical use may help clarify:
magic (n.)
late 14c., magike, "art of influencing or predicting events and producing marvels using hidden natural forces," also "supernatural art," especially the art of controlling the actions of spiritual or superhuman beings; from Old French magique "magic; magical," from Late Latin magice "sorcery, magic," from Greek magike (presumably with tekhnē "art"), fem. of magikos "magical," from magos "one of the members of the learned and priestly class," from Old Persian magush, which is possibly from PIE root *magh- "to be able, have power."
The transferred sense of "legerdemain, optical illusion, etc." is from 1811. It displaced Old English wiccecræft (see witch); also drycræft, from dry "magician," from Irish drui "priest, magician" (see Druid). Natural magic in the Middle Ages was that which did not involve the agency of personal spirits; it was considered more or less legitimate, not sinful, and involved much that would be explained scientifically as the manipulation of natural forces.
www.etymonline.com/word/magic#etymonline_v_2180
www.etymonline.com/columns/post/sources?
So Gandalf used magic, yes - but not witchcraft. Indeed, thaumaturgy (from greek, meaning miracle working) is essentially magic, but may or may not be witchcraft. "For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft" (1 Samuel 15:23) in Hebrew "כ" "as" is an equator, so rebellion is either equivalent to or near enough witchcraft - the difference is typically the use of spirits or one's own power (however defined) and against God's will. Magick includes miraculous events in line with God's will, but a discerning Christian ought to understand that it is God whose power is brought to bear and not our own (as indeed whatever power, if any, a man possesses is still from the one source of all things, God).
So Tolkein, an English professor, uses the term literally and few of us today do: to call the Apostles, for instance, magicians is wrong but only because the word itself is so misused in this era that to do so would give the wrong impression - but they were wise and applied knowledge of the workings of nature, in their case the knowledge that Jesus is the Messiah, God come in the flesh, and that through our faith in Him He grants us healing and freedom from sin's slavery and the penalties thereof, salvation (knowledge which is unfortunately hidden for far too many) - clearly not witchcraft, but magic in a very literal sense.
I don't think you're wrong, only that you misunderstand the terms (through no fault of your own but because society cares so little about truth and meaning that it is willing to make anything mean anything).
God bless you brother, I pray you see clearly what I mean. May God grant us all greater insight and understanding as we continue to seek His face and to do His will, may all glory and praise be unto Him forever.
(Edit for typos)
Another edit: in LOTR, Gandalf practices natural magic; not manipulating forces or beings but using what gifts he has been given to combat wickedness - Saruman, by contrast, used his knowledge and the irrevocable gifts of God for his own selfish and evil reasons (like Balaam). The novels are fiction and fantasy, but they are anything but pro-witchcraft.
@@403902 god bless you
You know that the vast majority of kids reading the books and watching the movies know it's fiction and that they can't be wizards and will quickly outgrow any desire to be, right?
What do you mean, "can't be wizards?" You've heard of wicca, haven't you? Research some esoteric occult subjects and revisit how misguided that claim is.
@@ZerkinzTV No connection or relation whatsoever to HP.
@Martin Luther Debunked and baseless.
@Martin Luther Divination is portrayed as kooky. Try again.
@Martin Luther Did you read the link?
You do realise that like Tolkien and Lewis, Rowling is a Christian who was writing from a Christian perspective?
John-Michael Mustchin But from a political standpoint, which series is the more liberal and which is the more conservative?
Well, Tolkein and Lewis certainly - Rowling is almost certainly a Rosicrucian (just look up her statements on Tarot cards and divination): so only Christian in the sense that she believes in a Christ (and not necessarily in that she believes that Jesus is the Christ), though she apparently attends church sometimes so there's hope she learns the Truth.
@@Dino23968 I don't know.
edward penny I don’t get it
@edward penny
Spot? Kerberos? A fiction. There is such a place as Hades/Sheol but it's nothing like the Greeks imagined.
If that's not what you're refering to, please elaborate.
LOTR and lewis books are just as bad as HP.
Why?
Hidden doctrine.
@@schubacca8786 What hidden doctrine is in LOTR? Either way, there's nothing wrong with reading either.
It's all about wizards and majick. Read your Bible. What does it say about wizards and majick?
@@schubacca8786 The bible also has a talking donkey in it. Doesn't make that true either. And LOTR and HP are about good conquering evil. Try harder.