🤑 Havana Club vs. Havana Club: The Rum War with Blind Taste Test / Who Wins?
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- The Havana Club brand is owned by two separate companies: Bacardi and Pernod Ricard. Both have a recipe they call "Havana Club", both say they're the original Havana Club. Bacardi's version is made in Puerto Rico while Pernod Ricards brand is a collaboration with Cuba and made in Cuba.
Of course, this means Pernod Ricard doesn't have a Havana Club brand here in the US, but it's available around the rest of the world. The Havana Club brand may consider renaming their brand to get into the US (if we allow Cuban product in the near future), so look for Havanista.
Of course, you have a chance now to learn a bit about the history and hear a bit about the taste differences between them. Who Wins? We the people, we get them both!
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See in Canada, we ONLY have the Cuban version and have had it for a long time now, and we've never had the Puerto Rican. In any case it's priced very low and it's still the standard in my daiquiris.
Lucky fellas. The PR HC in the US is a pale imitation, brown or white. Though the PR brown has its charms when you can't get the Cuban better. (Sob.)
It was almost 30 dollars at lcbo when I was 19 and had no choice but to buy alcohol over the border
Same in the UK... And everywhere else in the world 😂
didnt even know there was such a thing as Peurto Rican Havana Club....we get the cuban stuff here in canada, the dark is sooo good even the 7 year is good
yep! And both are good products.
The Puerto Rican one is the fake one.
Lucky
the white cuban rum is marketed as premium cocktail rum in germany.
the brown 7 year old or the brown special one are marketed for pure drinking.
Ya the 7 year havana club rum is more for spitting on when your tired and cant sleep
The white one is the best rum for cocktails you would probably find
Ok, now Bacardi Superior vs Bacardi Havana Club!!!!
How funny. We always pick up Havana Club when we're in Mexico and think it tastes like Bacardi. 😀 From the description I think I'd prefer the Cuban version.
yeah, I stock pile 'em too!
Exactly what I was in need of. This video does the trick! Thanks guys
thanks
I know this is highly subjective and I'm going to state my opinion because at the end of it all is all about taste and what you like. That said, I was born and raise in Puerto Rico, and my father used to own a large chain of bar restaurants and liquor stores all over the island. When I came into age for drinking, my father told me that drinking was about enjoying it and not about getting drunk, because that was just a side product. Both rums are equally good with different flavors, in fact both recipes were influenced by the experiments that took place in the early 1900's at the University of Puerto Rico's Planta Piloto de Rum. Before the prohibition, the main supplier of rum products to the states was Puerto Rico, but because PR is part of the US they were affected by the law and during that time the Cuban rums started to influenced the market. If you were raised in one of the Great Antilles, you should know that before PR state university experiments with rum, both Cuban and Puerto Rican rums were almost the same. After the prohibition and the political transformation of PR, the rum tax, the UPR experiments, and the rum law, forever change the way rum was produced in PR, elevating the minimum quality of rum production. Puerto Rico is the only island in the Caribbean which is illegal to sell a rum that hasn't aged at least one year, and the quality of rum production is closely watch by the government and other third parties. That said in the end if someone says that one is better than the other, they are just talking about their own palate not the quality of the rum itself. I don't know about other parts of the world, but as a Caribbean Islander, I know that white rum is always of lesser quality than golden or dark; in fact in Puerto Rico it is said that white rum is for mixing drinks and golden or dark is for tasting...(even though you can actually use any of them for mixing). Every island in the Caribbean has its own uniqueness when it comes to rum production. Enjoyed your video, keep up the good work. By the way, have you guys heard about Barrilito Rum?
I know there's gotta be a video in english but this one gives an idea of the place where they used to experiment with rum development in PR. th-cam.com/video/SoMvA0o_h1c/w-d-xo.html
Yes, taste is subjective--however, we rely on giving our impressions because our fans either love or hate our personal tastes. In some cases people like my palate more than Ian or Dan or other co-hosts, othertimes they agree with one of the others and not me... so they can use "what we know he likes/dislikes" for making their own initial decisions considering buying product is often expensive or, hard to find. So, they can decide (if they value my opinion for instance) to spend extra time hunting down a product based on my opinion of it because they share similar opinions.
No, I've not heard of Barrilito rum.
Common Man Cocktails Ron del Barrilito has a 3 star and a 5 star versions. I think that you actually have to travel to PR or know someone that can get a bottle for you since ( l could be wrong) is not exported outside the US territory. It is one of the oldest Caribbean rums still in production today and the quality is top notch. It is manly known around rum connoisseurs circles, you might want to get your hands on one. Love the show, very informative and entertaining.
Havanna Club is 10 times better than Bacardi.
Bacardi is 11 times better than Havana Club.
I’m sipping a glass of Havana Club Anejo Especial (Republica de Cuba Garantia warranty label) as I watch this! Fascinating! I did not know anything about the backstory to the brand prior to viewing your piece. Nor was I familiar with your channel. Will have to check out some more!
I was actually looking for some clips from Havana Club itself - whose website, by the way, is excellent, showcasing Cuban culture as well as rum.
Anyway, great post, so thank you! And now... back to my glass!
Oddly, while I've never had Havana Club, due to my personal experience, I'm left to wonder if the prestige behind products "de Cuba" is centered solely around an American's lack of legalities in obtaining it. Like cigars, I've had Cubans and truth be told, they were a lot like Hondurans to me, personally. Don't get me wrong, they were cool and all, but worth more than what I'd pay for a Honduran? Ehhhh.
Like before 2007, so many people were all about Absinthe and how great it was. I was one of those people, but I admittedly drank a lot of it, my point being that so many people I knew thought every single one they had was great and such, in my face like "Hey, you're an Absinthe guy, try this one it's great!" with every single person and the one bottle they got their hands on. Yet 2007 rolls around and nobody really talks about it anymore.
In general, you're right, you want what you can't get and "scarcity breeds desire" just ask Nintendo and their Wii scheme :-) That's all true. But, that doesn't mean you can't have a great product from Cuba just because we here in the US can't get it.
It's available around the world, even Canada but not the US. Those places still carry it presumably because there is a demand for it. It's a great tasting product; actually both the Havana Club variations are something I'd buy on a regular basis when available. Actually bought a few bottles of the Bacardi Havana when I had a chance.
So yeah, it's a fantastic product from Cuba. But, we can't get it often so it's just a good rum we can't get. But, we've got a great number of good rum products we can get, so it is what it is -- I have several bottles of cuban havana club so I've got no need to have a scarcity "desire", I just like the product "as is."
@@cmcocktails
Interesting. I'll definitely have to check it out. I think I saw a bottle of the 7 the last time I was at the Consumo.
@@cmcocktails
Not sure if you'll see this as I actually had to do some hunting to find the video and comment. I thought about commenting on another video, though it seemed more appropriate to do so on this one.
I finally got some Havana Club down at the Carulla due to it being on sale for "About $15" and gave it a try. Came home, threw it in a mojito for shits and giggles and... it was the best fucking mojito I've ever had, no lie. I've had them all over the world and in obscenely copious quantities (As it's kind of my "go-to" drink). Over the last week and a half, I've been beating myself trying to discern whether it's psychosomatic or if it's REALLY that good. I'm usually prone to the more "Premium" (Quotes for subjectivity) level of rums, so that a $15 one would blow me away like that is something of a cause for concern.
Which then caused me to also pick up a Seven Year bottle (For about $25) a few days ago. This one REALLY stands out in a Cuba Libre. I've been drinking them non-stop since yesterday. I mean... spread out, of course, perhaps "Non-stop" may be a tinge of a misnomer. Only a tinge, though. Earlier, I had a "Dark" Mojito which was pretty interesting. Using the Seven Year and a simple syrup I made out of Panela (Instead of white sugar, which gives the syrup a molasses type of flavor but with a discernible hint of spice). The mojito was actually rather different, but pretty interesting at the same time.
All in all, I wanted to let you know that I rather appreciate the recommendation. I think I've found my go-to rum now. I'm actually picking up two bottles of the 3 Year tomorrow, as I've already run out.
you can also run it through a real blind tasting with other rums you used to think are better and see which one you end up picking vs. trying to convince your brain "it's all a trick" :)
And there is the part that we don't see during the manufacturing process. Both are very different in their manufacturing process. Bacardi is manufactured in a pharmaceutical grade environment, with sophisticated process control, testing labs, and under strict US manufacturing regulations and FDA compliance. In the other hand, the Cuban Havana Club rum production process is more rustic and
less sophisticated. It's more relaxed in manufacturing regulations and quality control. I will put it bluntly, It definitively. wouldn't pass an US FDA inspection.
Just visit both places and you will immediately see the difference.
BTW puerto Rico has a very extensive rum making history, It's just that the Cuban make more noise about their history without mentioning that their rum makers (Bacardi, etc.) came from Spain.
The Cuban Brand is not the same pre revolution recipe. It's a recipe they came up with after nationalizing the business. Both are good. I have both.
yep!
Love the show back story was fantastic!!
thanks
Well Bacardi won the law suit against the Cuban government supported by the European Union and Bacardi bought the recipe legally from the Arechabala family, love your videos!!!
Thanks
No, all other countries except the US in the world supported cuba's claim to the Havana Club name long before the legal battle. The only reason Bacardi would win in court was due to the special laws against cuban businesses that they have lobbied to keep in place in the US. The Arechabala familys Havana Club had declined long before the time of the revolution and the license was issued by the Cuban government when the rights had expired. The Arechabala family claims this should not apply since their lawyer was in prison by the time the license expired, but neverthelsess.
In Europe you only get the Cuban Havana Club. It's distributed by Pernod Richard
US embargo is still ridiculous
Finally. This confused me so badly for a while in my beginning rum journey. I spent a lot of time trying to find Havana Club only to find the Puerto Rican one, little did I know....
Haha and now you know :-)
@@cmcocktails now we need a video on how to get the Cuban Havana Club if we live in the US. Travel to Canada?
Probably, I got mine at duty free in the airport at Cancun, and Dominican Republic
My cousin's Arian is a Lawyer and the Legal Representative of Havana Club. Waiting for him to sent my a bottle. It always will be Cuban!
As if the Cubans that stayed didn’t know the recipe. 1000s of workers worked there so it’s no secret.
You've never distilled anything from what I can gather. You do realize that a distillery has lots of jobs that lots of people can do that doesn't actually involve them becoming master distillers, right?
Angostura employees a lot of people, no doubt, yet they've had a secret recipe known only by a few people in the family for over a hundred years. The same can be said for worldwide Cognac brands--hell, the same could be said for some Donn Beach tiki cocktail recipes from the 40's and 50's as well until Jeff Berry did some investigative work to drum up all the secret ingredients through all the people that knew bits and pieces.
Sure, a distillery has hundreds of workers and potentially five may know some of the process, but it's rare that many know all of the process. This is why master distillers are so well taken care of and coveted within brands (especially with large family legacy). To think that there is just this one big public recipe that everyone has to memorize to get a job there is a bit naive.
Common Man Cocktails master distillers come and go in all businesses there isn’t some secret recipe locked away that only a few people have access to. It’s not rocket technology it’s white rum. You Americans love melodrama
Master Distillers are masters for a reason, distilling a rum involves a lot of technique that might start at a "recipe" for the mix (sugar to molasses) but then is followed by temperature control and distillation technique, filtration process, resting process (what type of oak, how long in oak, what type of rotation through barrels, total time), how the products are modified via additional dunder additives and even secondary distillation techniques via thumpers or the specific distillation (column stills vs. pot stills and blends of both column and pot still techniques).
You can call it "melodrama" if that's how you define the rum creation process, but it just shows your ignorance to what actually goes into making a rum. Only a few know the entire process from start to finish, each of the nuances that go into it change the final flavor profile that many consumers would call the real "recipe" of the rum (how it tastes), not just the sugar/molasses ratio that it starts as when the process begins.
Common Man Cocktails I m aware of that but what temperature they use what wood they use to age where the sugar cane comes from is known by many. The idea of secret recipes is guff and a marketing tool. Smirnoff vodka talks about the recipe for its vodka coming from the imperial Russian time pre the revolution of 1917.
The terroir of the sugar cane coming from Cuba as opposed to Puerto Rico will have a bearing on the flavour to some minor extent. If you prefer the Barcardi one fair enough. But post 1959 there were enough workers to piece together where the sugar cane came from, what temperature it was heated to, etc to produce the same product as prior. But of course Barcardi want to sell the real thing for sales reasons... so keep up this mystique
No, the ideas of secret recipes is proven. That's not to say marketing doesn't play a huge role (especially in the world of vodka). In the world of vodka one of its more secretive components is the yeast used to make the wash for the distillation process along with a few other ones; the biggest secret being that most vodka brands buy their core NGS and re-bottle (or distill on copper to soften the flavor).
As someone that's made several product runs of rum, you're going to have a very hard time trying to convince me all rum recipes are open ended and published easy-to-replicate products. That's just not facts, and I don't subscribe to conjecture based on perception that everything is about the marketing spin.
Many things are about marketing spin, but the key components and process to how master distillers do their job is factual in many great brands. Hell, the most guarded secret to most large orange producing brands like Tropicana, Simply Orange, Minute Made and dozens of others is that secret flavor pak recipe that makes the orange juice "taste" like orange juice. The marketing is all around the "story", but the secret recipe is well known to be real. Rum, cocktail bitters, bourbon (some) are well hidden secrets.
Sure, there are some great marketing secrets around bourbon too (such as the recipes are ordered via MGP and produced at MGP and re-labeled as the bourbon brand itself). But, just because some do it doesn't make it a global truth.
Havana Club 7 anos... try that one
I believe I own that one already.
Common Man Cocktails yessss it must be fate!!!! 🤣😂 brother I love 7 anos w coke and lime 🤗
Common Man Cocktails hey!!!! How did u get it ????? 1st bottle I got was when my grandma went to cuba... now I get my bottles from Mexico... but they don't sell it here in America
try Diplomatico Reserva Exclusiva Rum and let me know :)
@@markart157 I have had it and its good....
Love learning from your channel. I think both have compelling stories. But at the end of the day it's about taste not stories.
Thanks!
I feel as if tho story matters when it comes to authenticity.
There are other factors besides the recipe that contribute to rum's flavor (ex. where the sugarcane is grown, the water it's cut with, etc), so even if Bacardí copied the Havana Club recipe verbatim, it would still taste slightly different.
yeah, true
It really doesn’t matter where the sugar cane is grown. It’s more of the grade of molasses used for producing.
You should visit Puerto Rico and go to some of the rum distilleries, I think you will have a blast . Thank you for all of your great videos keep em coming brother.
thanks, fellow Bostonian :)
The Cuban one is so good
It’s the sugar cane…different in PR then Cuba…
Sugar cane is sugar cane, It tastes the same. Its not friggin tobacco lol. The difference in taste is because the communist government destroyed the quality over the years and then had to tweak the taste for international distribution. Ironically, Bacardi's havana club brand IS the original.
In my modest opinion, the Havana Club brand is great with Dr. Pepper, on ice of course!!!!! Like they say, QUE BONITA!!!!!
ha, that's one of the products (besides root beer) I've not found I like in almost any drink.
Havana club from Cuba was made to drink while smoking a Cuban tabaco.
I have a deep love for both usually only getting the Puerto Rican version here in florida but I love getting the cuban version I do understand the bit of the taste difference is minuscule in my opinion
Cuban Havana Club is the forbidden fruit of rum in the United States. It will be interesting to see the long term sales of the Cuban version when (if?) the embargo is lifted. The early sales will probably be incredible and then it will level off as that mystique goes away. BTW: while the recipe is the same the sugar cane is different, which is part of the difference in taste.
Terroir at work!
Agree. People would buy because of the taboo then stop because of the taste.
@@grapetonenatches186 did you ever tried the 7 anos? It's heaven
@@abraham2174 I met a guy that said 7 anos was the best rum he ever drank. When i asked him about other rums he has drank he couldnt name one.
@@grapetonenatches186 price value you will not get an better. Under 30 bucks in Europe. Many drink rums over 40$.
As a correction to the note tho there is an aged Bacardi version at least here in pa
And with liquor laws ik pa sounds odd to be a place to find it
Bacardi bought arrechavala destillery who made havana club
Derek, what is the difference between these and Bacardi 1909? Just reading about Cuba rum and it says 1909 is about as close as you can come to the original Bacardi from Cuba. Thanks
Should i get the 3 or 7 year havana club rum which taste better
depends on what you like, you like younger or older rums? What type of drinks are you making? What types of drinks do you prefer? Just buy both.
The Barcardi HC is not aged 3 years and it's bottled cheaply. No effort was put into it. Just look at that Bacardi label they slapped on. I'm going to Canada on President's day for a couple of days. I'm in IL so I can go through Michigan into Canada to the closest liquor store.
Where are you getting the info on the age? Standard Bacardi is like 4 years for their Superior product. Don’t see why this one would be less
I have a bottle of "havana club anejo reserva" do mix it or just drink it on the rock??Bought it cause it was cheap.... any special about this "havana club anejo reserva"...???
yeah, mix it into cocktails that call for aged rum.
ahwongwk
Havana and Cola is great
2 CL-4 CL and the Rest Cola 😍And Crushed Ice and Lime
So Derek is it modeled around a Spanish style of rum then?I know there's Spanish style, British and French. Can you elaborate a little?
It's not British and it's not French, that's for sure, so it's probably more Spanish style (in both cases)
thanks for the clarification
Cuban Havana Club rum is nectar of the Gods. Rum history tour in Havana is a must.
Good video and great commentary feedback via this video. People are certainly passionate about their rum. 😉
thanks
Cuban, Puerto Rican? Hmmm. Choices, choices. I only drink Haitian rum. Problem solved.
In the UK, the Bacardi owned/Puerto Rican version doesn't really have any market share (if any). The Pernod Ricard version(s) are what comes to everyone's mind when you say Havana Club
the Bacardi owned had no market share here until a few months ago or so :)
Yeah it’s definitely one of those interesting back stories that relates to Cuba’s crazy history! Just like at one time the Lansky family decedents of mob big wig Meyer Lansky one time were suing or trying to sue the Cuban government for either ownership of the Hotel Nacional or at least a money buyout of the hotel since they said they had documentation showing Lansky legally owned the hotel/casino. But idk how I’d pick the two rums, personally I like a sweeter rum but the other part of me being a huge history buff would want the Cuban made Havana Club plus their logo just seems more traditional.
This is brilliant! Great vid! Although towards the end they say the authentic one is the yellow label one because it’s made in Cuba. Having had Cuban parents who’s businesses were stolen from them, I’d say the authentic one is always the original recipe that came from the original family regardless of where it’s made. The Bacardi Havana Club adverts says “Don’t tell us we’re not Cuban, Cuba lives in our spirit” it might all be too political for a drink but ultimately it’s a symbol of what Fidel’s communist power did to an entire generation of Cubans who were forced to either follow him and live in poverty or get out.... I choose Bacardi or DonQ simply because it stands for freedom in my eyes. Thanks guys, brilliant video and very interesting story.
Thanks!
As a Cuban, I couldn't agree more!
Guy on the right has a lisp when he talks or already drunk 🤪🤪🤪
I don’t get drunk on the show, or really at all. I dislike the feeling, I’m a control freak, and this is a business to me. And it would throw off the wrong message, taste matters more than getting drunk.
There is no way in hell, the Puerto Rican Version is sweeter. I don’t agree a bit with this Blind.
I have both and I have done the blind test a few times and there is no contest, the Cuban version is way superior. You Will immediately taste the sweetness of the Cuban sugar cane. The other one is not bad, but less sweet and dull.
But when I blind tasted their 7 years, I liked the Puerto Rican version better, cause it was sweeter and more flavorful, go figure.
Well, it is what it is, everyone has their own taste, both of us often pickup different things, makes blind tasting with more than one person more fun.
Funny, i was furious for the longest time over the black-out glasses. Blind tasting. I get it now and feel a bit stupider for it. I should stick to cannabis channels.
Fun fact. Both originated in Cuba and are the best. Bacardi has a lot of roots in Cuba.
I've had both many time and they are both my favorite light rums. Caliche (Puerto Rican) and Matusalem (Cuban) being close. I have to say Havana Club Puerto Rico is better at least for me. Its dangerous in cocktails with little to no taste leaving a sweetness. I do think Puerto Rico should try changing the name and put more money into branding.
Given it's made by the bacardi folks, I don't know what a name change would do--their main brand is one of the most recognized in the world, not sure you can beat that :) But maybe!
Yeah, I think I did a review on Caliche a long time ago, I don't remember hating it :)
its funny in your notes you have that you only have access to the blanco but here in Michigan i finally saw a Havana Club and its the Bacardi anejo and thats it.
yeah, they must decide what works in each market or are just experimenting
Nice, i didnt even knew the other havana club existed. In my country usualy you see in in stores either Captain Morgan+ variants , regular Bacardy and Havana Club ( cuban one) oh and i think i saw Kraken in a small obscure shop the other day.
hah and first xD
I may have missed it if you explained, but why the black glasses?
sometimes when we review things they are not all the same exact color, like a slightly tinted light rum vs. a perfectly clear one, it became too easy to detect some of the differences or find the spirit by color.
@@cmcocktails That makes a lot of sense. I should get some for tasting my whiskies and rums.
The aged one is available in RI
we only get this one here in NH :(
Will Sasso?
Oh, that’s a new one lol.
Just kidding that’s a daily one
Standard Bacardi is not great, yet the company still decided that that was the superior product that they wanted to pump out for decades and decades, while basically ignoring their fake Havana Club product. That's all you need to know about the non-Cuban one. If they thought they had something good with their recipe they bought, they would have been pimping it out for a while now. I doubt either one tastes exactly like how it tasted in the 50's, but at least the real Havana Club is actually from Cuba. Bacardi should be honest and just call that shit San Juan club.
With most other type of alcohol would this be acceptable. If you went to a store and saw a bottle of Scotch that had "Islay Single Malt" written on it, but had a "Product of China" sticker on it, you would call bullshit, and you wouldn't give a fuck if the Chinese were using an old Scottish recipe, just like how you shouldn't give a shit if this Puerto Rican rum is using a Cuban recipe, it's still not from anywhere on Cuba, let alone from Havana or near Havana, so it shouldn't have that name.
In their defense (on a few points): They don't call it a cuban rum, it clearly says "Puerto Rican" rum on it. Havana Club is the brand, but there are probably dozens of products that have the name of a city in it in which it's not actually made (say like 50%+ of the "London Dry" gins in existence). The difference for Scotch is that it's legally the 'style' of product, not the brand name. In other words, if you created a whiskey with a Scottish name made in the US it's not against any rules, but it's not a scotch.
Secondly, standard Bacardi is one of the rums that wins most of our blinds, even when I want the other rums in the blinds to win (because they're smaller). The fact is, just because a brand is fantastically huge doesn't mean it has to be shit. Sure, Jose Cuervo Gold gives the JC company a "cheapness" to the brand itself (even though they also make fantastic product), big companies don't always have to make crap product. It's not a requirement. Most people that dislike Bacardi are doing it on principle and not actual taste.
I know a few rum brands that think they're competitor products are absolute junk (and they're absolutely fine) and it tends to be the hidden anger they have with the brand and they can't get over it to find the real "taste." I think that's perfectly human.
But, in the end Havana Club clearly has the Puerto Rican label on it and it's not in small print or trying to be hidden.
I'd love to see Stolichnaya vs Stolichnaya video as well - it's a pretty similar story. One of them is produced in Kaliningrad (that small part of Russia near the Baltic sea between Poland and Lithuania) and owned by Russian state-owned company FKP, the other is produced in Latvia and is owned by SPI Group.
the difference with those type of products is...it's vodka, the race to make the most neutral product is very hard to discern.
not sure about the FKP one, but SPI makes a wide range of flavoured vodkas. But yeah, it is very hard to notice a difference between 2 decent quality vodkas.
Bacardi is Cuban it originated in Cuba 🇨🇺
Says right on the bottle "Made in Puerto Rico", some of their products will say "Made with Puerto Rican Rum." Why? Because it doesn't matter where it started, it matters where it is _now_. The same reason nobody says the iPhone is "Made in the USA" just because the original design or "recipe" and the original creators live in the USA.
The iPhone is a Chinese product, the VW Bug is a Mexican made car, Bacardi is made in Puerto Rico. Where it "originated" has no impact on that fact, which is why we can ship Havana Club from Bacardi into the US and we cannot ship Havana Club from Cuba into the US. Origin doesn't matter, facts and reality matter.
I hope you can review Appleton Estate rum products because it's the hardest one to find/buy.
we've got a few bottles of Appleton, I've not had a hard time getting them, per se, just a hard time getting a variety of ages/styles of them. We seem to get the cheaper stuff.
Nice and yea my bad I was talking about the aged or older rums. Pride of Jamaica.
@@shingenozumi905 Wray & Nephew bottle shatters in disbelief.
If you think Cuba and all things Cuban have an interesting story you know nothing about Puerto Rico and it's rums. The story of our two islands is linked very closely. The only reason people don't hear about Puerto Rico and it's story is because it always exist behind the blinds of colonialism. World superpowers actively suppress everything good about our island. Go to PR and discover the story behind our rum making and taste a Puertorrican Cigar if you can still find them. IMO more valuable than readily available Cuban Cigars no offence to their product. You just can't find the Puertorrican ones any longer.
I guess I don't see the correlation at all. So...because I find Cuba interesting I don't know anything about Puerto Rico? That comment is so incorrect on so many levels. That's like saying "Oh, you know stuff about America? Then you know nothing about Britain."
Ask Jeff Berry, who wrote great books on island cocktails, Cuba and some of the darker histories of the rum world (others have written too). They indeed know plenty about Cuba and plenty about Puerto Rico and plenty about other islands. Knowledge is not mutually exclusive, one can learn about many things.
This is the Bacardi comercial....Raul Esparza is a Cuban exile (who also went to my high school). Bacardi has grown into such a huge brand that it’s hard to trust it or treat it like an exclusive product but look into its history and what it went through to get to who they are today. Pernod Ricard is also a huge brand. I believe the original recipe was changed by Fidel himself to be able to use the HC name in Cuba.
www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article192636719.html
There can be only one Havana Club Rum! And that is the 🇨🇺 one! PERIOD!
with that attitude we'd not be able to enjoy so much variety in life. In fact, there are two recipes the newer one (cuban) and original one (non-cuban now) and both have their benefits. I see no reason to complain about variety, but it's the confusion over the brand that's annoying.
Common Man Cocktails it is not an attitude it is a choice to drink the real Havana Club from Cuba! I don’t think that life enjoyment is altered by choosing the real product in this case! Cheers! 😉
The Bacardi Havana Club might have a sugar syrup added to it to improve the flavor. Your beloved Plantation rums also have sugar syrup added. Enjoy!
Plantation rum has more sugar than most, perhaps you missed our video on the hidden added sugars of rum and some of the brands current inclusion (and grams) of sugar? here it is: th-cam.com/video/a2nvKDIL_4Q/w-d-xo.html !
You've publicly made a fool of yourself
The bacardi "havan club" is cheap tasting compared to the cuban stuff.
yeah, I have to disagree. I believe that's mainly the case when you know which is which
agreed to that. i spent time sipping the bacardi one last night. it's tolerable to me, but when side by side, i'll pick the cuban anytime.
i can't answer that because i've only been recently exposed to cuban rum. i always thought it was a lost cause in the US until i found out i can bring it home from overseas. The yellow is good, but as a mixer. i like drinking the 7 year straight. I HATE wasting good rum in some sort of cocktail, etc.
HC is not my favorite, but very enjoyable. enjoyable to me more because you cant buy it in the US - you can only bring it in via luggage from abroad. I happen to REALLY enjoy Bacoo and Vizcaya Crystal and their medium rum. Very smooth.
not really, just distributor nonsense and state alcohol laws (vary a lot). There's stuff i find in other states that i cannot find where i live in TX.
I would like to make a mai tai. I have the following rums, with what rums in what ratios would you recommend making a mai tai?
El Dorado12
Appleton estate 12
Havana club 3
Plantation 3 star
(Haven't experimented yet since I need to make some orgeat first, I don't really like the pre-bottled stuff I find here in The Netherlands)
A Mai Tai is a combination of rums, one you don't have (an Agricole) but you could probably combine plantation and appleton for that, here is our recipe th-cam.com/video/WuvRhdkrBIM/w-d-xo.html
If you are pretentious go for the cuban. If you want good rum put your money on the Puerto Rican.
great video
Look i just dont like the fact that bacardi is producing the fake havana club they just stoled the name and using it as a trademark.i just think barcardi should make products using there own name.and there own products not stealing a others brands name and using it as there own.because Bacardi are you for real!
I don't think you understand: bacardi owns the rights via purchase of the recipe and are producing the product. So, imagine if you spent big money on something then later people started complaining that you stole it just because you make a lot of money.
I didn't want to like Bacardi either, because they're "the man" in terms of rum. But, it's a solid product, as is their Havana Club brand. I still love it when a small brand can make it big and I love to help those little guys out...but at the same time, I have to give respect to those big companies that have figured it all out. Sure, they will push their weight around and do underhanded things like block out the small brands and that sucks. I just don't see this as one of those things. I really don't know either way what is "right" but I can't claim the havana club run in cuba is right just because Bacardi is big.
I will always pick the Havana Club from the Cuban government because its the best one and it supports Cuba.
it supports Cuban government*
that guy looks like Moe [3 stoogies} they Did not steal the brand, it belong to Cuba,
barry graham that’s dumb for you to say that.
Bacardi production started in Puerto Rico in 1936, not when Castro took over. Puerto Rico was already a great rum producer in those days. Bacardi has grown into what it is now, not by Cuban, but by Puertorican master blenders and a better reguleted process. Cuban Bacardi wasn't a smooth refined rum in those days, and they only produced a limited versions of rums. In Cuba Bacardi was produced unregulated, in copper and cast iron stills, many times in old bats infected buildings; it quality wasn't in any way close to rum being produced in Puerto rico under strict regulations, where today is produced in a pharmaceuticals grade enviroment, under a very strict and controlled process with the help of great local master blenders. The only thing that today's Bacardi shares with the old Cuban Bacardi, is the name not their products neither the quality. By the way, i bet that in an honest blind taste test, Bacardi version of Havana Club would win hands down. It is a smoother, more refined and better tasting rum, period. Haters tends to put down Bacardi, because they have become the big player in the rum arena, and for the Cubans, get over it. Just as a rum making family Spaniard (Bacardi) moved to Cuba, and started producing his rum there, his son continued, producing and expanding the business in other countries. Do you see the spanish people claiming that Bacardi products are from Spain? Bacardi is a Puertorican Rum, blended, produced and developed into this great rum making giant by Puertoricans not Cubans.
I'm sure you could put that same story of regulation and quality into all spirits across the globe. That same story holds true for gin in the UK 100+ years ago when London left the product unregulated and told anyone they could be a distiller and produce gin if they left a sign outside their establishment for about a week or two and magically you were now in the gin business.
Gin was unregulated and produced by hundreds of people; today, gin is regulated by the government more strickly and produced by reputable brands, not just John and his little house with a still and a dream to make some money. :)
Bacardí originated in Cuba but they had to move to PR because of the government
Your point is stupid Bacardi is Cuban 🇨🇺 just like the flag just like salsa which was known in Cuba as rumba Cuba in those days was the top Caribbean island. Havana was a dream it wasn’t until Fidel Castro took over that Puerto Rico got some fame. & you should read a book that’s called Bacardi the long fight for Cuba!🇨🇺 & one day Bacardi will come back to Cuba 🇨🇺
Guy on the right is too showy. Too over the top. Gets on my nerves. Guy on the right? Salt of the earth!
Too showy? Too over the top? Perfect, that's what I'm going for.