The Endgame 65% Keyboard You Need To Know About - Forever65
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Keyboard: Driftmechanics Forever65
Board insulation: None
Plate: POM 7u
Keycaps: GMK Striker
Switches: Lume Keebs lubed Oil Kings
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Yo this was very enjoyable, informative, and well put together. One of your best.
i really put some effort into this one, glad you appreciate it!!
“Find one that you can enjoy then GET OFF THE INTERNET” new to the hobby and this is by far the best advice I’ve heard yet. I’ve started with an original tofu 60 and my next board is going to be something that I can stick with for a long time. I’m interested in a hotswap pcb so I can try switches bc that’s very interesting to me.
I would rather have this than the cannon keys logo tbh.
same same
I took the L-haku during the last raffle, so I just picked this up as B-stock with an extra pcb and POM plate. I’ve had SP Star Sacramento switches just marinating in dust for a year now, so I’m probably going to steal the SP Star on carbon fiber combo for this. Thanks Andy.
Forever65 and Austin are 2 of my favorite boards in my collection, amazing quality and sound outstanding.
Man I really want an Austin bc there’s not a lot of good big boards
@@AndyVNguyen Alu austin with cf plate it’s *chefs kiss*
CF plate in that huge mass of a board sounds delicious
Endnotes are so true. I'm personally a big fan of 65% boards, and all the boards I have tried have pros and cons. I personally hate the design of the haus because top mount has a mounting point under the spacebar and for o-ring mount, it only has 4 case screws so the middle part of the top case tend to bulge up. Can't wait to try the 910 me though, mounting points and case screw checks out
the general consensus on the 910 me is pretty meh
Loved take on the custom keeb scene at the end 🫡
FYI to make the IRON 165 sounds awesome with some tweaks.
1. Force Break mod
2. PP plate/POM plate
3. Tungsten switches / Proper broken in HG Blacks / OP Blacks
4. Taping flex cuts (we all know flex cuts are mostly.. totally unnecessary)
5. Optional* 2mm poron case foam
I liked doing only bottom gaskets too since it's super compressed with full gasket
@AndyVNguyen interesting I'll try this out!
Coachella won't stop me from enjoying uncle Andy content
FOOKIN RESPEK
@@AndyVNguyen loved this video, Andy! Super informative and in-depth. I'm also really grateful you covered the Chimera a lot despite this being a Forever65 vid. Might not have been the goal of this upload, but I think this solidified my decision to pick up a Chimera r2 extra (when I'm more comfortable financially) as my endgame 65. I love the ideation, history, sound, and looks of the board, and thankfully I don't mind the cannon logo. The thing you said at the end about it looking like something between your legs actually sealed the deal for me 😏 thanks again for putting out great content!
i definitely really like the forever65 in the 65% category. my personal list for the best 65% boards i’ve tried would be forever, kohaku, mc65, matrix vita. may pick up a forever just to have a solid match with the kohaku in my collection, although in general 65s aren’t my favorite
that's literally how i am. i prefer 60s but somehow i ended up with 65s.. maybe because there's more you can do with a 65 to make it cool vs a 60
Is matrix vita still sound good till this day ? I’m curious
@@thuanphatchau1269 I really like the sound but probably not that great compared to some newer 65s. If you want a top mount 65 would much rather have a mc65
I think Vega with PE Foam, Allu Plate and Gateron Inks is still the best sounding 65% you can get
the end is what I needed to hear. I have so much fomo rn but I know there's gonna be great keebs in the future as well. love the board tho and the design is perfect.... actually maybe ill pick it up.... lemme think about it
This is the keyboard enthusiasts dilemma hahaha
I'm loving my Kibour Harbour SE myself. the lilac grey color shift is just mwuah chefs kiss
Dude I had the same problem with my iron165 but now it is one of my favorite sounding boards Ive ever built. POM half plate with plate foam (not sure where the foam came from, had it laying around). I'll link a sound test later today.
I can imagine it. Iron gasket mount is very stiff so half plate sounds like it’d do the trick
I'm so happy I got my hands on a typ 65+ with the CF plate... Thing sounds and looks amazing.
“Hi I’m Andy I’ve been on the hunt for endgame for sometime now”
Me, another Keyboard Anonymous member: “hiiiii Andy”
HAHAHA
Love the video big A. Forever65 looks sweeeet but it seems I will be unable to afford it FOREVER. Anyways, do you think that the frog is still a good board priced at a point that makes it a good deal? What are some other midrange 65%-TKL suggestions?
Frog is a great value and can be everything you need out of a tkl tbh. It’s my go to for an easier to acquire keyboard that checks most boxes
@@AndyVNguyen Thanks! Appreciate the response.
Great with all the comparisons to other contenders
Hey Andy do you have a video of all the popular build combos?
Oil Kings + POM Plate = short description?
Hobbies is very preference based... but it's good to have a reference point on what "good" sounds like
The last time I tweeted it, someone tried to contact all my sponsors to cancel me
Ink on Pom
Jwk on fr4
Mx black on alu (can sub in sp star meteor white)
I also mention it in the mode65 review on my channel
@@AndyVNguyen Sick thanks for this!
Sorry to hear that. People have way too much time on their hands 🤣
Great video!!! Typ65+ and forever65 are lowkey great, I was lucky enough to get a very good deal for typ65+ aftermarket. Now I want a forever65…
Man I really like how the typ65 looks w the left macro column tbh
Love the last part, Thanks ❤
hey andy did you try the haven 65 and if so do you think its worth it in therm of sound and feel ?
as a fellow "love how the (pc) iron165 looks, disappointed in how it sounds" person, really hoping the burger top mount config of the loki65 delivers 🤞🏽
the last two minutes were the best part
Staying till the end was worth it
Thanks for the video! So you don't think the Kohaku is an "endgame" 65 on the level of the Chimera?
I do, which is why it’s one of the three options for gasket I mention at the end. But like… how are you gonna get it right now haha
@@AndyVNguyen lol yeah I hear you, just got a W for lunar black though
Sheesh my baddd
I saw this in your last couple of videos, what is the issue with rukia r2? I dont follow keeb drama.
Tldr: Runner took everyone’s money for the GB and then disappeared.
Great video. the purple forever65 is tempting for sure.
The only reason why it’s not instacop is that good purple sets are hard to find. And I don’t wanna just throw gmk wob on
Is Rama Thermal any good, considering if you get on aftermarket, or not even close to endgame material?
Not even close. Looks cool but they messed up design and you gotta use some extra gaskets to stop it from rattling/pinging.
Austin is a great board. Thanks for the video Andy
I kinda want an Austin. I think I tried to enter for raffle for it. It was a while back. I def tried something lol
What is your opinion on the polycarbonate chimera vs. the alu in terms of sound? Which plate material would you recommend for a PC board?
sound is preference, i'd purely go PC for rgb and ability to match with keycaps
i don't really have a go-to rule for what sounds good with pc boards. inks maybe? on whatever plate sounds best? it depends on the mounting. if all else fails just try alu.
Color issues disregarded, what would your take be between the forever and the iron? I wasnt able to get the kohaku (my favorite looking board to date), so i have been tossing back and forth between the 2 boards and havent been able to decide.
Iron sounds very thin and dead so I don’t like the sound at all
@@AndyVNguyen thank you!
I had a feeling you were going to say that, I was leaning that direction anyway. Even though im going to need it ceracoated or something to get the color way I want lol
hahah make it yellow.. :P
TLDR at the end made me appreciate you even more. And confirmed, Big Weeng Gang
I'm on the fence with this forever65, I love the sound and the aesthetics from all angles except the bottom, I feel like that bottom is not a $600 bottom - at least not for me. It's nitpicking, but at $600 I've gotta love every aspect.
Is there a board that ticks more boxes for you? Or are you still waiting
@@AndyVNguyen I've built probably 25 boards or so, the ones I still have are: owlabs spring (will keep forever), mr suit (probably the next one to sell when I find a board I want), iron165, mode65 and a sonnet with cerakoted accent and bottom, and shelby80.
Also in on the PLX and Haven65 which should be fulfilled soon.
spring is cool. mr. suit has some odd sound in spacebar i couldn't get over. iron165... .. yeah i can't deal with that one anymore. mode65 is solid value but still isn't nice enough for it to be my one and last board
sonnet has some cool options but those costs add up. shelby is one of those newer silicone jacket boards right?
this basically is my last statement, it's best to pick something you're willing to live with the compromises with rather than cycling thru this hedonic treadmill of finding something that does everything
@@AndyVNguyen
Yeah I don't disagree with you at all. While the boards I've kept are the ones I'm happiest with, I can't say any of them are perfect. My goal has never been to find the perfect end game. I like rotating boards, I like looking for what to try next, and on the rare occasion a board truly wows me, I hang on to it for a long time.
@@K1LO_ what was wrong with the shelby? I own one it’s been nothing but amazing
Gotta love that “KBD67 mk2” 😂
it has a custom patina weight ykyk
Awesome vid sir! "Get off the internet!" lol I can agree with this thought process.
How does this stack up against TGR 910? Since we're talking that price range
This is more modern than the original TGR 910 and sounds better. And the 910 ME is not a great sounding keyboard
@@AndyVNguyen agreed, the 910 is extremely unimpressive
Nice message at the end! Was seriously considering getting the Forever or the Chimmy but I'll just keep my Ark68 R2 and be happy with it XD
That is true endgame. Endgame mindset
@@AndyVNguyen Yeah! I know that the Forever will sound and feel better than my Ark68 but Forever is a board that I just heard about 3 months ago, while I've had my Ark68 for a long time now, so I feel that I'm gonna be happier with my Ark! 😊
if you ever get antsy just do a new build in the ark! that's what i've been doing with my korn and kohaku to keep it spicy
@@AndyVNguyen Thanks for the advice!
I’m new to the hobby and I’m genuinely curious, with kohaku offering 700 units, are there really that many enthusiasts entering and happy to pay that price?
Yes because of hype not because of value for performance. They’re just fans of the idea of the keyboard. The keyboard hobby is surprisingly large now
I’ll take my envoy and new 65 over that any day love mine, also my first keyboard was is a ikki 68 from eBay unbuilt cause when I got in the hobby I was late for that gb but it worked out I only payed 175
The forever 65 looks nice but for me it's not worth the price especially after missing out on the Kohaku which was same price in my region. Waiting for Geon glare 65 I am 🙏 its sounds beautiful as it looks.
Help! I'd like to own an aluminium 75% keyboard but I don't know what my options are. Is there an up to date datasheet anywhere online?
This board is sexy but I have a 65% already. :p
7v r2, tomo are the only ones i can think of tbh
Thanks for your thoughts on this keyboard. Mine should arrive this week. And yes, get off the internet, LOL!!!
you're gonna love it!
Frontal/side profile designs and aesthetics are way more important, how many of us actually turn our keyboards backwards to look at the back design SMH.. Forever65 way to go!
for sure! every time i turn my boards over i just get reminded of how much freaking patina there is on my brass weights lol
Ending comments made me laugh 😂 Also spot on with Keycult, they fell off hard esp after all of that drama. Lowkey glad they are slowly becoming irrelevant just like RAMA tbh
could you explain what the problems you had with the iron165? Any suggestions you have after experimenting so much? thanks!
sounded thin. you should go thru my sound tests and see my writeups. basically only use half gasket and use louder switches youll be better off.
@@AndyVNguyen will do! thank you very much - thin doesn't necessarily mean hollow right?
i definitely used sorbothane in my iron165 to help it sound better. it is kinda hollow sometimes.
@@AndyVNguyen half gasket means only using gaskets on either the top or bottom half?
waiting for you to review the envoy!
Typ65+ is still the best board I own. Amazing sound, looks and functionality! Have you ever done a review for it? I could not find it anywhere on your channel
it truly is slept on
I have not tried one yet personally!
@@AndyVNguyen definitely recommend to get your hands on one! :)
Excellent video, dont think ill end up getting one of these since im a sucker for clacky gasket. ended up getting a kbdfans yeti and paired with inks it sounds really good imo. i hope i can get a pom plate for it tho.
the yeti has no business sounding that clacky and good forreal.
@@AndyVNguyen Definitly, i was blown away by how good it sounded even after i watched your video on it.
All that endgame sound.. only to be stuck in a uh.. unique case lol.
@@AndyVNguyen lol true, since i have an sc alice i kinda like that its a bit different shape wise
Where does the kohaku rank for you?
#1 . Type feel is very nice
what keycpas are you using on kbd67v2? 5:04
Lmao it’s a kohaku but gmk modern Dolch
Thoroughly agree with the opinions on 65s with blockers but a little confused as to why the corsa or vita was not included since they are technically higher end 65s with top right blockers
Corsa doesn’t sound good with the flex plate. Vita is overall not great sounding either
@@AndyVNguyen Oh wow I did not think I'd get a reply 😂😂 Thanks for clarifying!
I really want this board but its SO MUCH LOL
Still though. This shit is it. Love your coverage
Bro forreal but… it’s so nice and no wait. I really flexed my knowledge and experience in this video I hope it helps ppl
I’m sorry but the Kohaku wins for me sound wise. I prefer a nice crisper sound profile from gasket mounted boards. Just like the Axol Studios Yeti. But remember, preference.
Nothing to be sorry about! I also prefer Kohaku. Gonna have to be a truly ground breaking 65% keyboard to change my mind
Are you looking to review the envoy?
If they ever send it.. but I’ve been getting ghosted so it is what it is
@@AndyVNguyen aw thats too bad man, your reviews are always awesome!
How does this compare to the Singa Kohaku?
pretty similar, a little deeper
Bought the Kohaku because of your video, hoping it’s worth it!
So it’s not kohaku? You lied to us Andy. You made the Kohaku raffle much harderrr. Jk great video.
everyone knows what kohaku is already lmao
Damn I thought kohaku would have been in your top endgame if not barely missing the cut… 😢
Haha it is. I just forgot to mention bc I was literally typing in it
how come kohaku wasnt included in your top list?
My brain farted bc I was already typing on it. But it’s part of recommendations
you dont think chimera 65 is endgame worthy?
ooops i commented too early lol
Lol all good
@@AndyVNguyen welp i ordered a chimera lol cant wait for it
I don't think a 600$+ keyboard should require a forcebreak mod. At that point any good 400$ keeb will do the same.
We had to forcebreak TGR Janes, cloudlines, 910s, etc. The reality is keyboard design especially top mounts have a bit of resonance/hollowness. Keyboard design just isn’t a perfect science. You can get cheaper boards and use foam.. and force break also. I just don’t trust that the most interesting and well designed keyboards have perfect non hollow across the entire board
@@AndyVNguyen They could just engineer a force break into the board in the first place. It's not that hard.
That’s what keychron did. And they can’t do it right lmao. The fb mod came from copying keychrons design
ginkgo 65 is goated
It had them alignment pins for sure
i think my end came is the kbdfans 67 tbh i love the light wait and the thock
it's a thock monster for sureeee
Rama with my Thermal I got recently and GMK fuji and Epbt Ramen ended me ever joining a group buy again.
Unlucky… sorry
@@AndyVNguyen I wasn’t the only one, Fuji and Ramen stop were from Covid restrictions, Rama was because he couldn’t get his personal life under control and it wasn’t just with the thermal
Mann and I just preordered my Lunar Black Kohaku 😂😭
SHEESH nice W
I mean if you won a Kohaku raffle you're stupid to not pay that invoice... it's profitable especially BNIB
@@AndyVNguyen I watched your kohaku video and I knew deep in my soul that I wanted one so BIIIGG WWW
@@schtendo4464 don’t worry g, kohaku’s ordered and left a big gap in my financials but it’s all worth it
Gmk stricker 🤤
Stricker numba 1
I wanna ask does anyone know where do I need to lube if I wanna lube behind the leaf? bouta lube some mx browns in the unikorn😤
With the Chimera65, I would recommend trying Tealios switches or a modern equivalent. I've built mine on FR4 with Inks V2, Tangerines, and then Tealios and the Tealios adds more depth the sound than the Tangerines making it sound so good. Might edge the Chimera65 to the Forever65 in regards to sound
I don't know if there's a modern equivalent to tealios.. no one really uses them these days because you can get the same smoothness with any JWK switch. Tangerines UHMWPE stem makes it a little quiet. Chimera was great with JWK and FR4, I wouldn't imagine Tealios on FR4 is better
@@AndyVNguyen If you have Tealios on hand, it's worth a shot. JWK switches to me in some ways are a bit one noted. Like I find more depth to the sound of other switches like ones from Gateron. There is a sound test on Taeha's Chimera prototype with Tealios. That video is what sold me on buying the Chimera before it was hyped up
Tealios are overpriced and I stopped using them. I had a batch and I sold them as soon as I could lol
why isn't Haven65 in the conversation of endgame 65s?
I haven’t tried it and don’t hear it mentioned often in my communities
I don’t think it’s fulfilled yet
oh then why are people asking if a concept is endgame lmao
@@AndyVNguyen we've seen protos and the board is literally finished. China has had their units for like 9 months now, its far from a concept. International groupbuy gets fulfilled in about a month
yeah things can fall apart at fulfillment also. i had a proto of element g67 and the designer quietly changed the design and made production run hollow.
to answer your question - because it's not in most peoples hands, i'm not willing to qualify prototype keyboard sound tests as good/bad.
Ahh, now I see why you wont be getting the Bauer lite lol.
HMMMM why would you say that? 😅😅
No Kohaku mention for best 65s?
It's mentioned in the 1v1 later. I kinda just.. structured the video weird. The top I considered ending up being Kohaku vs Chimera vs Forever for gasket
he is not mention it, but that kbd67mark II looks sus
a little sussy wussy
@@AndyVNguyen Gotcha, makes sense. Great job with the video btw. Easily my favorite channel for keyboard related content and one of my favorite YT channels in general. Just finished designing my first board and gonna have protos made since I'm considering a GB. Would love to send you some pics and sound tests once my protos come in ;)
how thick is the pcb?
1.6
Always en enjoyable vid, however i dont like 65% layouts, i think that are overused, my favorites are 60%, TKL
i'm curious how you determine 65% layouts are overused. don't they make a bunch of keyboards in every layout? 60% just being the less common because most people don't like to buy it
dam i thought i was going to see shark andy today...
I should bring it back for the next big milestone stream
This channel isn't good for my wallet... but solid content as always :)
double edged sword lol. thank you!
ever tried a leaf 65? jus askin
Tried a leaf60. It was cool-ish
ya its only ok, i just bought it for the side profile
I would cop the forever65 if there was a hotswap option
Soldering isn’t even that bad
Can send me a commission to millmax it but it’ll add to the cost
Kohaku not on the list?!
It’s there I just forgot about it! I compare it to the other two best gasket options
@@AndyVNguyen oh my bad I didn’t finish the video lol gg
no vega? :(
QK65 kinda made Vega old news
@@AndyVNguyen I feel like the vega is still good without foams, when the QK really cant live without it.
@@AndyVNguyen But you can’t use QK65 without foam but Vega you can 🤔 Vega is still better
@@scorppu a great board to me is one with unique sound, sounding great in any config with or without foam, and basically that assurance that no matter what config you use it's gonna sound great. thoe couple of boards for me are the Vega, 7v, envoy, sonnet, arc60, and the o ring 60 fam
@@chendusingh the vega I 100% agree with. I've built it with inks, pole jwk, mx blacks, in many different configurations with AND without foam and they all sounded great or at least decent. I don't know about the other boards, but I've had a bad experience with stack mount on the mode65, so I didnt get the sonnet (also I realized mode boards are basically impossible to resell locally). I found that the isolated top mount of the mode sounded too hollow, and the stack mount was wayyyy too loud and every switch kind of sounded the same. I'm happy you had a good experience with the sonnet though, just not my cup of tea.
New Video banger 10 dogeges/10 dogeges
so I can keep it Forever? 👀 how dare you slam my Keyclout 2/65 Andy
Note: didn’t link the tape lol
Keyclout HAHAHAHAHAH. Yes Forever's a keep
thanks for reminder i added tape link
@@AndyVNguyen thanks G 🙏🏼
Rip kohaku😭
So many units yet so many Ls
I think owning multiple of the same board is a tad bit extra.
It is but what if you like multiple colors
@@AndyVNguyen Yeah, we need more rainbow boards then.
I actually really like rainbow PVD finishes lmao
I can’t buy this board, the topright blocker is a dealbreaker for me just like how the cannonkeys emblem is for you. My ex was also Chinese so it makes the board even worse 🥴
Mamiya
STAWPPP
Keycult 2/65> keycult 1/65
That Chinese character 永 is not in a cool font. That’s a bummer!
$600? Nah I'm out lol. After all the other parts like keycaps, switches, stabs, it's like $800.
It’s a hefty price. But it can keep up with the nicest 65s I’ve tried. Or just get a qk65 and leave keyboard discords hahaha
@@AndyVNguyen I like custom keyboards but not that much lol. If endgame was a true thing then I guess I could see it but 6 months later there's a new endgame. So better not spend $600 on a single keyboard for me.
totally valid
$600 is way too much for a keyboard of this quality imo
What’s quality is worth $600 then?
@@AndyVNguyen No 65% is worth 600 retail. Keycult unfinished black might be up there but sound quality ain’t that great without foam
Value is subjective. This keyboard sounds great without foam and is very well made. I own one.
Left shift so baaaad
it ain't perfect that's for sure. but force break cleaned it up np
Give me the cannon over this. Looks more unique than just a Chinese character to me.
i get it
nice, but the $600 price tag immediately turns me off
how about 550? hahah
@@AndyVNguyen still coping haaha
what about ur fav unikorn?😮
I still use it, I discuss it in the end of the video that I didn’t buy a forever
TOO EXPENSIVE. 🥸
have you thought about being born richer
i think about it all of the time
@@AndyVNguyen nah. Work hard is the goal here. 🤓🤓 but Ive always though about winning lotto 😄😄😄