Electric Vehicle Charger NEMA 14-50 | Sea Bright, NJ
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Classic Electric, LLC | Point Pleasant, New Jersey
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(732)-770-1437
Ron Pecina Jr. is a licensed electrician in the state of New Jersey. This allows him to apply for electrical permits, work with live conductors, remove meters, and disconnect service from the utility company. New Jersey observes the 2020 NEC and the Uniform Construction Code. The majority of the work seen here on this channel falls under the Rehabilitation Sub Code (Chapter 6 of the U.C.C.).
ALL New Jersey licensed electricians MUST complete 34-hours of continuing education units each tricentennial period. This includes a mandatory 10-hour code update course. Any work above 10-volts requires an electrical license in New Jersey.
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hey ron 1st year apprentice here just wanted to say rlly enjoy your videos keep up the good work man. inspiring me to become a good electrician.
That’s great to hear Robert. Show up on time, do what you’re asked to do, and clean up.
Hey Ron, love that Klein multi tool Linesman-Hammer at 4:32 ...LOL...😆
Congrats on 10k Ron! 👍👍
Congratulations on your milestone :) - Well deserved.
Nice job as always. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Very nicely done 👍
Good stuff,as always.
You run a good business Ron, a real inspiration for me just starting out with my own company. Nice clean work. I'm in NJ as well so it's nice to watch someone who deals with similar utility companies and municipalities.
Have you thought about joining the IEC?
@@electricalron I'm actually a member of NJEG right now. I'm not familiar with IEC.
Hey Ron, l like your craftsmanship work 👍
new to the trade,really appreciate your videos.Thank you so much
You the man Ron appreciate your vids jersey stand up 👍🏾
Hey Ron nice work
Thank you so much for posting. Your content is awesome! You are local to me and I might have to give you a ring one day. Thanks again
Congratulations on 10K and like always A-1 job.
You seem a pleasant guy, easy to listen and general demonstration of your work is interesting.
This is really cool. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Pete!
Thx. Enjoy these videos.
Glad you like them. Thank you.
Only thing that will make this rainy day better, a new upload from Ron🎉
I appreciate your enthusiasm. Thanks.
Hi Man, excelent job
Lots of people are finding they need a bryant 14-50 9450fr heavy duty receptacle or one like it to handle the plug and unplugging due to wear at the contacts and it has Allen head screws that you can torque to specs to keep wire thight! If your going to plug in and leave it one thing, but look at lots of TH-cam follow up and their saying this!
Never got a callback for any NEMA 14-50 that I've installed. Word.
Almost 10k 🎉🎉🎉
Really enjoy your content, your work is always nice and clean. Wish you the best my Brother
04/30/23 54°
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Ron, great work. Keep it up :)
Thank you brother! Right back at you!
Thanks ron!!
You're welcome!
Ron, you got it on the money. I used to think that pulling wire was easy until I had to pull the 3/0 for my service entrance conductors. it is quite challenging pulling larger conductors by your self,
Even though I don’t really like them but and LR might have been a better choice by that garage door rail, just a pain in the ass to pull wires through. But the way I see it if you’re able to access the LB and put the cover on after the wires are pulled the inspector shouldn’t say anything, but every inspector is different. Good video bro.
Every inspector is different and if you can be on location for the inspection it usually is a good outcome. This passed and I don’t even think the inspector even looked up. Once he sees the GFCI OCPD he knows a professional worked there and doesn’t have to put everything under a microscope.
Попробую на английском😅🇷🇺. Good professional job, it's impressed me. Your quality is amazing. Nothing stop me, I say thanks for your job😉👍 easy peasy)
You do a good job to code. So many other channels make mistakes.
I have to do it right. I'm a professional!
Great video. When I saw you drilling through the exterior wall I didn’t realize you had a reason for drilling low to high.
Gravity!
Nice job Ron, when you hit 10,000 you'll have to buy treats for your four-legged friends.
Good idea! Wuf wuf!
congrats on 10k. you mentioned that your getting used to using the Milwaukee laser. i find that i can get the PVC conduit straighter if you use the laser line to line up the screws in the PVC straps.
Hey Ron !! Thank you for these amazing videos. I hear you mention your concern with inspectors in your videos. Can you make a video going over paperwork/legal side of things when you are dealing with these EV charger installtions. What is that process like ? Area you required to be there during the inspections? I believe a license electrical contractor or electrician has to file the permit. Be safe and thanks again for these videos
Thanks, interesting about the possibly downsizing of the neutral conductor. Will need to look that one up.
The neutral only has to carry the unbalanced current. That's why you see the neutral at the service is often a smaller size than the hot conductors.
@@edisont.picard4112 All checks out, super cool NFPA has free access to the NEC. In short NEC2020 215.2 A2 the size of the feeder circuit grounded conductor shall not be smaller that that required by Table 250.122.
@@wills2262 since this is a receptacle branch circuit and not a feeder, 215 doesn't apply to it. In fact, the only time the NEC allows for the neutral of a receptacle to be under sized is for electric ranges. I guess technically, the neutral for the EV receptacle should be the same size as the hot conductors.
@@edisont.picard4112I personally run the same gauge for the neutral, but I'm far from a pro, so a few extra bucks on some thicker wire never hurts.
However, I like a good conversation. How about 2020NEC 210.19(A)(4) "Branch-circuit conductors that supply loads other than those specified in 210.3 and other than cooking appliance as covered in 210.19(A)3 shall have an ampacity sufficient for the loads served and shall not be smaller than 14AWG"
We know the EVSE does not use the neutral at all, so load served on it would be 0amp, so the size of the neutral will be the larger of 14awg or that of the required ground. Eh? Maybe?
@@wills2262 You might be able to squeak that by with a sympathetic inspector, but in general, I don't think it will hold water. Especially since it's a standard receptacle that is used by ranges and RVs. Being by the garage door makes it a prime target for Cousin Eddie to plug up to over Christmas vacation. In my opinion, since the neutral isn't used, a better solution would be to use a 6-50R and not even use a white wire.
nice installtion video, how to do it right ...
to bad that USA still uses dangerous (but up to code NEMA 14-50 ) plugs/outlets for this (similar to a Soviet stove) , we use the much saver "IEC 60309" 3-phase 400V "CEE 3P+N+P 6h" (usually 16A or 32A & IP44) alias "Kraftstrom" or the single phase 230V "CEE P+N+E 6h" (usually 16A or 32A & IP44) alias "Campingbuchse" ... and sometimes then ormal Schuko-plug for normal 230V outlets (usually 16A)
I run the wires through each PVC conduit section when been put on. It works better for me instead of start fishing for the wires in the end.
That's a technical code violation. Code says wire are to be installed in complete raceways. Having said that, sometimes siding the conduit over the wires is what happens.
Like your videos I have a question,don’t see any helper .got to shear that many Ron 😂
You have a very educational channel. Video and audio quality really good. What's wrong with using wire lube on your conduit pulls? Maybe not that great in PVC but if I remember correctly it helps in metal conduit.
Most of the insulation these days have the lube built in to the conductor. It’s called Simpull.
Question - do you need to put any expansion joints on the long runs?
I would install an expansion coupling in the garage area, every time open the garage in the winter the conduit it’s exposed to a big change of temperature.
They have their place for sure.
Congrats on 10K subs!
What label maker are you using?
Brother E550 - best label maker I've ever used. HIGHLY RECOMMEND!
Eu Ron.
Primeiramente, parabéns, ótimo trabalho.
Está precisando de auxiliar?
Tenho planos de tentar meu visto nesse ano e ir aos EUA
Hey Ron, I was in Florida installing sone recessed lighting for my sis in law using the laser
One of the best purchases I ever made. Excellent work with the PVC. Are you getting many request for car chargers in NJ?
The lasers are great! I've only used one for a couple years or so and I'm still learning where and how to use them. I average 3-4 of these per month. They're very popular here in New Jersey.
An LR fitting would work if u can get one
So you just happen to have a empty 8 space panel available ?
Ron like runs all of NJ 😊
Hey Ron, very interesting video. Thank you for posting. I am just curious, can you provide a ball park price for doing an install like this?
@@Ampacityelectric Thank you for your response. I appreciate it.
I think it's kind of silly that 14-50 sort of became the de-facto standard for EV chargers over 6-50. As far as I know, no EV chargers use the neutral for anything, so it just works out to be a waste of wire. (Unless, I suppose, you also use the outlet for an RV or something)
5:22 I Have a good look .And they say they sent a man to the Moon
Great video as always Ron.And a superb clean & professional looking job.I just have 1 question.Why did you pull a neutral? I would have thought that 2 hots and a bonding conductor would have been enough for an EV charger?
For the Tesla that’s all that’s required. For all the the others the neutral is installed because it’s required for the NEMA 14-50 receptacle.
@@electricalron all the car chargers I have done were hard wired & non of them needed a nuetral,that's why I ask.
Some electronics need the neutral. Coffee makers like Bunn (think 7-Eleven) running 208/240 need the neutral for the computer boards while the heaters don't. I'm not sure if electric car charger controllers run off the mains, but that could be an explanation
@@pawelelektryk2985 Correct, if you do a hardwire install, you do not need to run the neutral. Because this is with an outlet that has a neutral slot, the neutral needs to be run. Someone could later plug something else in to it that requires the neutral. That extra cost, plus the extra for a gfci breaker and a commercial grade outlet, It is cheaper to do a hardwire and provide higher output.
@@4x2-ev I agree
Ron, I’m bought my PVC heater brand new in 2010. I’ve used it moderately and have taken care of it. Around 2017 same thing happen with the switch it melted and I replaced it. Now when I plug it in a GFI after about 10 minutes, the GFI trips. It happens on any GFI outlet. I’ve googled about it and people have said the heater element is bad. New they’re about 250.00 dollars. It’s a bummer.
Oh damn that sucks. Mines not effected by the GFCI.
@@electricalron yeah it’s not normal. Use to be able to plug into any type of outlet. Element is most likely bad. I think a new PVC is around 800 dollars. So it’s fix it for 250.00. Or buy a new one. Sucks.
@@mcarroll598 When it rains it pours. My truck broke down again earlier in the week too. New alternator and battery.
@@electricalron yep man it sure does. Just gotta keep plugging along. Thanks for the videos too!!
Thanks for the video ron. Why wouldn't you use emt instead of pvc?
EMT is more expensive and more difficult to work with.
@@electricalron also in (near) marine areas... the salt air may corrode the metals. same for barns with animals. and high humidity/tropical areas. thus PVC is preferred. it does really suck to repair this decades from the first install due to corrosion....!
@@electricalron thanks for your videos and your response
Customer have any problems with the GFCI breaker nuisance tripping? Some EV charger manufacturer instructions say "do not use with GFCI breaker"
No.
18:04 Isn't there some lubricant products to ease the passage of electric wires inside inside the conduits?
Dawn detergent
What would you rather work with metallic conduit or PVC?
PVC.
Is it true that electricians buy their supplies from the Ohm Depot ?
Ha ha snort
Hey Ron can you always downsize on the neutrals? Or only for large loads?
Not always.
It depends on the load. The neutral only has to carry the unbalanced load, and in any case can't be smaller than the equipment grounding conductor.
What 14-50 plug did you use?
Probably Pass & Seymour.
No standoff?
Great job. How much did you charge for this job?
I know every place is different. I’m a Master Electrician and I do quality work as you. It’s just a curiosity. Do you follow a flat rate per foot? Would really appreciate your feedback. Thank you!
Everything I do is a flat rate.
@@electricalron do you follow a specific flat rate program? If yes which one. Thank you
@@ED-uk6lv It's the one where I cover my labor, materials, markup, profit, and taxes. This job was nearly $2000.00
Is a GFCI 2-pole breaker required for 240V receptacles these days?
625.54 Ground-Fault Circuit-Interrupter Protection for Personnel.
In addition to the requirements in 210.8, all receptacles installed for the connection of electric vehicle charging shall have ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel.
@@electricalron Interesting, I just found that's been since 2017; I suppose that is 6 years ago already
Are you using the hubbel 14-50? or the leviton?
Think this one is Legrande.
@@electricalron Try not to install those. I only install Hubbel verison which is usually specked out from tesla. But the legrande and leviton say there industrial but that is a lie. We are seeing that those cheep nema 14-50 are catching fire. One of the phases on the receptacle starts to melt. As a contractor myself I do not install them to avoid call backs and hopefully no fires.
The hubbel version ranges from $70-$150
Some people say that only a specific brand of NEMA 14-50 receptacle should be used for EV car charging. What’s your take? 🤷♂
I say let the insurance companies figure it out over time.
I use listed receptacles as required by the code. I hear things all the time and I always believe it’s installer error. That’s probably not always the case though.
Lots of people swear by the Hubble-branded NEMA 14-50 receptacle because it's a lot more heavy duty than other brands. Even Tesla recommends that one in some of their literature.
Hi Ron why did you remove the meter cover
Most times the top half of this style enclosure does not need to be removed. But here on the Jersey shore elements of the salty air forms a bond between the panel access and the meter access and its just easier to remove both to get to the circuit breakers area.
@@electricalron ok I’m in Florida and only the power company is allowed to access that area I have installed many of the square D 200 amp meter breaker combo enclosure here it’s also MER rated for FP&L
Something I don’t get is why your able to bond the neutral at the main panel and why you can’t do it at the other panel. Because if they’re both bonded then wouldn’t it mean that your neutral could be your ground and vise versa
Because your grounded “neutral” conductor is a current carrying conductor. The equipment grounding conductor is non-current carrying conductor. In the event of a short-circuit (a hot to neutral fault) we want the current the current to return to the source as quickly as possible to facilitate the circuit breakers and open up to clear the fault. If both conductors are bonded at both places this creates a parallel path and it not only slows down the fault clearing process but introduces current flowing on the grounded parts which violates NEC 250.6.
@@electricalron great idea! also, the white neutral does carry (return) voltage and there is a possibility of stray voltage on legacy range, dryer, and such appliances. thus a separate green grounding wire helps. this might explain why some people feel tingles from the range, dryer, and such.
@@electricalron thanks that makes a lot more sense glad your feeling better
Why not use EMT and pipe bender
Why not use NM cable?
good evening Ron you’re a very good electrician however putting screws in your mouth is very dangerous you could accidentally swallow a screw.
Thanks, God should've created us with a 3rd arm.
I do the same. But getting ready to get $10k+ dental work -- that'll probably cure me.
Getting out of bed in the morning is very dangerous. An asteroid could smash into your house.
Could a fellow sparky do me a favor. If possible could somebody use their Amprobe ( Ya I'm old ) to measure the current in the white grounded conductor when charger is first plugged in & turned on then after a few hours. Going to really piss me off if the two energised conductors are drawing 35 Amps or so whole the white conductor could only be drawing less then one amp. If that's the case lazy cheap EV charger manufacturers should spend a few dollars and install a 240 to 120 volt transformer so as not to need the white wire or a 4 conductor receptacle ( could use a cheaper 3 wire receptacle ). I always thought that electric dryer manufacturers got away with using the white wire to provide the neutral & ground for at least 60 years. They should have used a 240 volt drum motor and a 100 VA transformer to supply 120 volts for controls & drum light. Not a big fan of non conductive tales on long run s especially if there is a few wires already in a conduit. Is a lot safer.Surprise d that the meter combo enclosure bc is only rated NEMA3 . NENA 4 adds a lot more protection against hose directed water. Can see Johnnie homeowner blowing it up after using his pressure washer to clean it off. Square D dies make great products.
@@Ampacityelectric Sad but true. The neutral I ran here was #8 AWG.
No charger is have installed has needed the neutral. The neutral is present because the 14-50R has a neutral slot, but I bet the white wire in the cord to the charger isn't connected.
Who the hell changes Cinder block to CMU's?
Sounds like a vocabulary version of common core math.
Nowadays they’re called CMU’s. Years ago they were called cinder blocks. That’s all.
@@electricalron I guess my age is showing. lol hope I don't become the grumpy old man that the comic strips always depict. Those long runs can be tiresome. Depending on the layout you have to work with. TY for this video.
@@electricalron They used to be made of cinders.
PVC pipe uses glue no
GREAT VIDEO I HAVE GOT SIX 100 WATT HIGH PRESSURE SODILUM FIXTURES BUT I AM SCARD THAT I WOULD BURN MY HOUSE DOWN I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW TO WIRE THEM UP SAFELY I TRUST YOUR WORK COULD YOU SHOW ME HOW IF I PAY?
Hey Ron, why not use a plastic J box in the garage if you are running PVC all the way. I would only use a metal box if I was transitioning to EMT.(PVC good choice right now, of course, because of high cost of EMT) Also, a heat gun works real good to create simple box offsets in your PVC, so you can reduce the stress on your box connectors. Great Video. Thanks, Russ, Electrician from Oregon
Ron must have his reasons, but I’ll tell you mine: junction and receptacle boxes are the likeliest point of failure, so if there’s overheating involved with all the amperage, I’d rather it happen in a metal box.
I'll tell you why... because I wanted to use an LB but this was early in the morning and I was fish out of LB's. I went out at lunch time and got what I needed. Also, this job was a referral and it was my first trip out to the job so I had to plan and do the work all ion the same day.
Russ, I'm with Ron. I like the metal box, whether 4S or 411/16, with a raised cover because of how sturdy it is. The Nema 14-50 cord is heavy and plugs in super tight to the receptacle. My opinion, the plastic has too much give, maybe creating overheating situations with loosening terminals.
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