As a developer, I would love to be able to access the gyro feed directly so that I can give it the game-specific appropriate tuning options. It seems that by emulating a joystick the game's own deadzones are being applied regardless of how the upstream conversion is happening. Some games will allow for some tuning of the stick dead zones if you're lucky, but then you may have drift coming from the actual stick as well? Hmm. Tough issue to fix without a developer actively supporting gyro as a first-class feature. I assume you probably want to emulate mouse instead, to avoid that issue of having the in game deadzones affecting both.
I can definitely say that DS4Windows allows to fix this issue at certain level - you can use gyro in "mouse joystick" mode (so it will emulate right stick inputs), and you also can change the gyro dead zone along with minimum input level and some other parameters. Thus, you can minimize the existing right stick deadzone inside the game itself. In this way, some games start feeling like they have gyro aiming "implemented" by the developers themselves :D (COD MW19 and Titanfall 2 are great examples). However, the biggest issue for right stick emulation is that many games just incorrectly recognize/implement the right stick inputs. When you try moving right stick in some games, you notice that the game does not allow eazy circular movements for right stick - it feels too "square-ish" and unresponsive. Some games also have awful deadzone for the vertical and horizontal axes... so yeah - sometimes the best way is to emulate the mouse. I wish more game developers could implement gyro aiming for their games
@@NuriMustafa-yq5bu the xim software allows you to do the same things as ds4windows, but more accurately. I was just comparing it to native gyro, which is why I might have made it sound like it did a bad job, but in reality it's just worse than native gyro
Have you considered doing a similar review of the other gyro-emulator options for console like the armorX and Vader? The mere ability to use gyro on the Xbox and PlayStation games that don’t support it are actually the one selling point for a controller that gives less than ideal gyro. (I have a Xim, and it looks like I’ll need to use it to play Jedi Survivor, which doesn’t support gyro on any console). I’m wondering your opinion about how the others contrast.
I have wanted to do a review of the armor X but I haven't gotten one yet. It's what I always recommend though because it has more features for half the price
Very interesting video! I've been searching for a controller that can simulate gyro in a reliable way for Xbox for a while now, and I appreciate your opinion as an experienced gyro player. I guess I'll hold off for now...
If you already have a pc and are just looking for a way to use gyro on Xbox, I think it's a fine controller. It's just that it would be better to save that money for a pc if you don't have one
I mean, there are sensitivity settings in the manager for different styles of play. Mines very accurate. Set my response to 100 and stability to 30. Everything else to 0. It feels natural to me.
have this controller and nothing of what you said its true what you probably did was you used the wrong config settings or your in game settings are off ur the only one with these problems
How much gyro experience do you have? Can you show me a clip of you aiming without aim assist? If not then I think I am more qualified to speak about it than you are
IDKROSSPLAY may not have as much as gyro experience as you but i know how to configure it none if the issues have been happening seems like ur just hating
@@sushbob1690 why would I spend $150 on a controller just to hate it? Makes no sense. I was hoping it would be a good controller. And also you don't have the issues because you haven't used native gyro so you don't know how accurate it is
Looks like small movements are being thrown away. Reminds me of the time when Steam Controller suddenly started doing this after an update and we had to ask nicely to get it changed it back. Also the overlay is able to get the controller's motion data. Maybe another software like JSM can too?
I mean like, if nexus overlay could get the motion data, other software can too, so that functionality could be added to JSM so that JSM can remap the gyro to Mouse like it usually does.
Should you be turning up the sensitivity of xim nexus? Coz i saw u turning the controller a lot to aim, seems not an easy way to aim with gyro like this.
The issue is that on console each game has built in stick deadzones, so there's a gap between when the controller moves and when the camera starts turning
@@idkrossplay thx for the reply, but would it be much better if u have the correct config of the game? coz i m xbox player, thinking if i should get one. Thx for ur detailed review
1:09 Well Nexus has a Well rounded sensitivity settings app that allow you to customize your sensitivity settings very in depth did you take your time and do that before you started to game because I’ve seen people use this same controller and perform amazingly
Well you should make another video but really fine-tune your sensitivity settings and then give as another honest review because for Xbox users this is our only hope when It comes to Gyro on Xbox I don’t know when Microsoft will make a Gyro controller they’re going to have to in order to compete so I’m sure the XIM Nexus controller can be just as good as The dual shock or even better you just give your settings more of a fine -tuning Because the fact you said that the game isn’t registering micro adjustments it defeats The purpose of calling this motion and using this controllers Gyro function so just give your settings some tuning And get back to us test this out on Console by the way
@@kenzoellis6680 I already fine tuned everything on PC and the controller is still worse than the DualShock. Even with perfect fine tuning, it's still emulating a stick, but native gyro isn't emulating anything. Even under perfect circumstances, the controller is still not as good as native gyro and NOT worth $150, unless you have absolutely no choice but to stay on xbox
@@idkrossplay I 200% disagree with your opinion on this. How is it worse than native gyro? You get erratic movements with native gyro whereas the Nexus gyro, you can fine tune sensitivity to eliminate. I heard about you too and what you've been posting under those other videos about the Nexus. Plus you deleted one of the comments that disagreed with your opinion. The fact that I dropped a V2 rocket on Vanguard after one weeks with a Nexus completely negates everything you say about it. Coming from a person who sucks with thumbsticks. Don't blame XIM that you didn't do any proper setup. No excuses.
@@idkrossplay you literally said in your own video that you use the default settings you never fine-tuned The settings like I said I’ve seen tons of players perform at a higher level with this controller In fact even better than a dual shock I can’t judge this controller just based off your video especially with no tuning of the settings at least on camera that is you need more evidence to back your claims get this understood I’m not trying come off as if I’m trying defend this controller I never even play with it however All video is showing that you’re not giving this controller a fair shake i refused to just believe the controller is perfect out of the box for you personally or anybody else that matter just because they gave you their recommended settings doesn’t mean it’s right for you you’re gonna need to do some tuning on camera to back your claims dose Xbox one or PS4 controller come with your preferred sensitivity settings automatically no You have to tune them on each individual game correct? Like I said us Xbox players want to have faith in this thing because it’s all we have to step foot in the Gyro community some part of me for the facts check
Hey dude, it looks like all your issues are with the smoothing feature. Smoothing is designed for people newer to gyro, and also to work with aim assist. You seem to be very experienced with gyro aiming. Try going to Expert editing experience, set smoothing to custom, and set everything to 0. The stall you feel is specifically from stability. Give that a try and let me know what you think. I also have a video on my channel on how to set up pass-through. I think your opinions might change if you got everything set up the way you want it.
My smoothing was already set to zero. I opened advanced settings and made my gyro match my dualsense gyro, even the acceleration curve. I set the deadzone and axis zones to 0 as well, and like I said, on PC there was no issues except the controller just wasn't as good as the dualsense
@@idkrossplay oh there's one more area you can get micro stalling from. Click on the top right 3 dots, Go to global settings, calibration swipe to motion sensing, and set noise to 0. Thats the micro stall you feel on PC. To me the rest of the criticism sounded like smoothing was still on, you didn't have your in game settings correct, or the game you are on has very poor thumbstick mechanics. As far as the build quality, NEXUS uses an extremely high end sensor from Bosch, same brand that makes the DS4 motion sensor but much more accurate. Also from what I recall I believe motion aim for NEXUS is 500hz where Playstation caps out at 240hz.
@@GregRosolowski you're right, the issue is that it's emulating a thumbstick so it doesn't matter how good the gyro is anyways. Also dualsense uses a different sensor and also polls at 1000hz
@@idkrossplay thats cool that Duelsense polls at 1000hz. I'm curios if thats only when wired. I did hear 1000hz wired is coming to Nexus. Some games have incredible thumbstick mechanics. Call of Duty, Apex, even Fortnite for example you can dail in with perfect granular movement. The type of stalling you had in Fortnite cannot be blamed on the thumbstick mechanics of that game. You either still had smoothing or something else was not set up correctly in the game.
I wish the Xim was able to just mimic a dualsense/DualShock controller and output raw native gyro. If it has a better IMU than the Dualsense with the same or higher polling rate, and it could output native gyro, I would definitely pick one up.
Late to the party lmao, but I did notice something. Nexus' gyro looks more or less sort of fighting your movements instead aiding it. On one instance you turned the Nexus to the left °45 degrees, but it looks like the Nexus to that as °30 or °35 degrees. I might be wrong, but it kinda looks like it.
@@idkrossplay Yeah, looks clunky and stiff. Not at all what gyro is suppose to be. I got a cheap Switch Pro knock-off that has better gyro than the Nexus lmao.
For fortnite ps4 gyro gives no aim assist while the nexus does, try playing a team deathmatch on creative and see if gyro with aim assist is good or not
I know that, but I hate aim assist. And also Valorant and Kovaak's don't have aim assist so it's not a fair test to use aim assist in one game and not another
Your right that not allowing passthrough is bad (but only for pc). But did you even try to change any of the setting on your Nexus config. For example i bet you used perfectly dialed in settings on the native gyro in fortnite. Did you do the same for your Nexus, because otherwise this is not a fair comparison. I agree on the passthough, because i even asked them on their forum and the owner explained that his gyro controls where simply better then true mouse gyro (wich is bullshit offcourse). I recently bought anoter gyro device called an ARmor x pro from big big won. This is a backbutton device for the series controller that also allows you to use gyro on multiple consoles (including native switch gyro) ps4 adn series. Amnd on pc you have passthrough. Their gyro settings in their app are not as good as the nexus, but they atleast listen to cusotmer feedback when you contact them. i have done so on multiple occasions and they have even resolved some of the big isues i had with their product, and they continue to do so (and tyhey even ask for feedback on the features they offer). Xim acts high and might however and just does what they think is best. Having gyro on xbox and on other consoles that dont support it is great, and even on some games that have horrible native gyro implemantations the nexus works great. But on pc and on games that jibbsmart has worked (fortNite adn Deathloop)the Nexus is worse than the native implemantation. Still if you want gyro on xbox a would rather by a Armor x pro instead.
You're right about everything here, my main complaint was that there's no passthrough on a controller this expensive. I would look into the emulation side more except the armor x pro already does twice as much for half the price. I did do a fair comparison though, I just used the default gyro settings per game, and for Valorant I spent an hour making the Nexus gyro feel right
@@idkrossplay The nexus has a better smoothing and filtering, in my experience, but the fact that the owner thinks his stick gyro is better then native raw mouse input for the gyro, just turns me of from using the nexus on pc. Even the Armor x pro can use passthrough on the ps4 mode.
As a content creator for the Xim nexus on APEX!! i would say your settings have to be tweaked bro!! i found the perfect settings when i decided to dive in the advanced settings!! i think everyone is different plus you can make motion constant or switch it on!!
You said you used default settings from their Xim Website. I want you to fine tune to your own settings and compare with ur gyro settings... Please this wud be 1 to 1...use custom settings of your own..
Just by seeing the fortnight clip I can tell you you need to adjust the sensitivity to be more comfortable for you, you are overshooting where you want the aim to be so needs sensitivity needs to go down. The "recommended setting" ain't recommended, it's a starting point because it's supposed to be adjust to be perfect for you. Edit: just realised at the time of this video fortnight wasn't properly supported so that could be the deadzone issues you were having.
Thank you for the video. I would say it's a little unfair to the developers of the Xim Nexus though, since the first 2 games tested here were listed on their website as having partial support due to the native thumbstick movement by devs in the game. Would it be possible to test some games that are on their list of officially supported games, such as the Call of Duty/Battlefield series, etc.? Your point about the Dualsense control having near identical control for half the price does make sense, so in a PC environment using this setup would be better. But for console players wanting to use gyro on games not officially supported it seems like a no brainer that this would be a good purchase (as long as the game is in the list of 100% functional games tested by Xim).
Yeah, the reason I chose those games was because they had native gyro and Xim Central said that the Nexus would outperform native gyro. I'm sure it's fine for Xbox but it's hard to recommend since you could use the $150 to build a PC instead of getting an overpriced controller. The smart translation technology is really good but of course it's only as viable as the game lets you get and COD/Battlefield are plagued with intense aim assist, so the controller will perform well regardless
@@idkrossplay Gotcha, I would be interested to see how it does in games where there was native gyro implemented well and didn't have weird accelerometer/other breaking features in the analog stick conversation for the Nexus. Right now native Fortnite gyro is a clear winner because of those conversion hiccups. The best of both worlds would be Xim developing an adapter similar to their KB&M adapters that would allow you to use your gyro controller of choice.
@@10s20s30s what they should do is pass through the gyro to emulate a DS4 gyro, which is completely possible since their overlay is reading the gyro to calculate orientation. However, they choose not to, so if someone is on PS4 they're better off using native gyro as opposed to the Nexus But the answer would be that it would be limiting in games with gyro since you're bound to stick. Flick stick isn't an option on the Nexus, and whatever sensitivity multipliers you choose for the different modes will be bound to both stick and gyro, so if you want a faster gyro building sensitivity but not a faster stick building sensitivity, impossible
The problem i have with the nexus is more with the owner of the company. He really thinks his smart translator technology outperforms mouse gyro. There are many people on the forum that ask for passtrough on pc but he just shrugs it off and keeps pushing support for passtrhough to a later date. If he would allow passtrhough then nobody would need his smart translator for pc anymore. He sees that as a loss instead of thinking of this like a way to gain a entire new marketplace for pc gyro users. Some gyro users hate the playstation layout and want a xbox controller with gyro. There is litterally a market for it. Yey he refuses to add it, just to keep people in his ecosystem. Although i really like the nexus for games on xbox, i much prefer to use mouse gyro when given the chance.
kinda puts the nexus in a weird spot, cause its 150 dollars but is a brick on PC,switch and PS5,and losing to a base PS4 controller in some console games with native support, so id have to agree that its mostly just an Xbox controller (maybe also for PS4 if you really need gyro and its unavailable), or as a aim assist crutch device to give as much advantage as possible for no skill.
The support for gyro on PS4 and PS5 is so severe (edit, as in very poor), you might as well consider it as much a necessity for the PS4 as it is for Xbox. Really pathetic for this to be the reality when Sony has had a viable gyro on their controllers for a long time.
@@Creshex8 i get the lack of support, but for games that do support it well, it will always be worse. (which is not ideal for a 150$ controller to be losing to a 60$ one) also it doesn't support PS5 at all afaik (and ps5 supports gyro a bit more afaik), so my brick comment for PS5 still stands.
@@ananon5771 Why do you say it will be worse? Have you tried comparing it to native gyro? I’ve tried side by side comparison with Fortnite and I can’t tell any difference with similar sensitivities. I’ve been playing Gears of War and Vanquish (a game with no AA), and I’ve never had an issue with wishing for a more “authentic” gyro experience. Besides, this controller was not meant to replace a standard controller for games that already support gyro, there would be no reason for this controller to exist at all if that were the case. This controller allows you to use motion control on games that never had it or supported it.
@@Creshex8 due to the way the gyro is implemented, it basically is emulating a joystick in its gyro, with that as the only option for all games. and though i don't own an apex, steam lets you use the gyro as emulating a joystick, and its ok, but feeling the deadzone is common (even after adjustments, though it can be minimized with good adjustments, though its really hard to get rid of it) and weird sensitivity limits that feel awful for large movements (something basically impossible to avoid). like i tried it in vanquish for comparison and even with my old config having like ten times more smoothing than it needed to, it still felt better than a quick one i made for the joystick gyro by alot and even after adjusting it further, my old config was better, and adjusting my old config widened the gap further. it wasn't so bad that it was anywhere close to normal stick, but it was still worse. (like a 6-7.5 vs a 8.5-9.5, with a stick being like a 3-4ish) for example on how different it is, in the tutorial level i did the test in, while aiming at a robot, i was able to "trace" his eye with mouse gyro while the joystick gyro really struggled with movements so small, either with them being eaten by the deadzone or once movement did happen the minimum movement was too much (and that's after adjustments), making it more of a messy circle around the head area, i know that level of precision is not super important om vanquish and in a game like gears would be compensated by aim assist, its to demonstrate the difference in-game. (with the mouse gyro also being faster and a bit smoother). also im comparing to mouse-gyro cause its the same as what a good native gyro should feel like. (and i own vanquish on PC and like the game) also XIM does claim its method is better and though i sympathize with the idea of game compatibility, its still worse and that must be mentioned for a 150$ product, even on platforms it was made for. what's sadder is if it could just use its gyro normally, id probably be the best controller for gyro aim due to basically having it both ways, making it actually a good value for true gyro aim lovers, but the ignorance of xim leaves us with imperfection. sorry for being so long-winded, but the vanquish thing ended up being a messy tangent.
@@ananon5771 Hey! Another Vanquish fan. I put in a request for Xim to support the game. I’m using my Nexus on the PS4, and I cannot get the generic templates to work with it at all. Not sure why, maybe they were made to work with the PC. So I use a Borderlands 3 template with it, and that config, along with most others made for console, seems to work fine. The problem I have with the generic templates is the dead zone, liked you mentioned. I can’t get rid of it, and it’s too high. I think there are configuration options that are invisible that have to be adjusted by the creators. But if I use one of the other console configs, the dead zone problem vanishes. And I cannot really figure out how the performance could be improved. I haven’t used it on the PC yet. So I guess you have a point in the realm you are talking about. Why I don’t think I have much choice, however, I’d I don’t know of any alternatives that allow gyro to be used for all games on Xbox or PS4. The alternatives I’ve looked at only allow gyro on games that already support it, making any extra controller unnecessary.
Not many xbox series games are supported and the controller quality feels like its cost 20 dollars. Shame Microsoft won't implement gyro motion controls in their next iteration of controllers
Not only does series X lack Gyro, but it doesn't even have standard HD rumble OR Haptics, and adaptive triggers. It also lacks 3D Audio(unless I'm mistake) and wont have it's own VR headset compared to PS5....MS has done aboslutely nothing to make XBX innovative, unique or exciting. It's just an 'easier' PC....If it weren't for the DesignLabs custom controller color maker app, i wouldn't even consider getting one. :P Their exclusives are lack luster too. All i want to play on it as of now are Panzer Dragoon Orta, Contra Hardcorps Uprising & RareReplay, and those are old games. :p BTW, the best Gyro controls i've experienced are for PowerSlave & Quake Remaster with the Nintendo Switch Pro Controller(Or Joy-cons + Controller shell or using the Duel Sense Gyro. Did you know that the Switch Pro controller has almost 13ms more input lag than the joy-cons? it was actually confirmed and tested. Plus, Gyro is always a mixed bag. There's no reference/sensor bar so more often than not you'll have to press a realignment button once you lose accuracy. Doesn't seem to happen with Power Slave or quake though. What pisses me off about this Nexus controller, is that it doesn't even support rumble with Gyro in unison....No adaptive triggers either, and it's butt ugly. :p Might just pass on it
You should look into the Armor X pro, it's just an attachment for xbox controllers but it supports switch controller emulation (which means native gyro as well) and also has the gyro to stick translation
I was amazed how good NEXUS is with micro movements. I am not PC player, but I have over 2000 hours of gyro experience with Nintendo Switch games. Games like Splatoon 2 (I achieved highest possible rank in the game), which has one of best gyro aiming mechanics on consoles. NEXUS beats every native Switch gyro game, hands down. I am not saying you are wrong here or anything, though. But for me, it is close to perfect controller for Xbox.
@@idkrossplay Splatoon 2 does not have aim assist whatsoever (its not even option). Usually I don't use it even if it is an option, because its fights with gyro mechanics, I feel. Most Switch games are running 30 fps, but Splatoon 2 is 60fps almost locked. And yes, there are switch games with really weak gyro but also really good ones.
@@Mikkis85 I'm aware of how Splatoon 2 works, since I own the game. I was asking about when you use gyro on the Xim Nexus. Do you hold your controller in the air when you play? If you do then it might feel better because the large amounts of smoothing
@@idkrossplay Ah ok. Usually I prefer no aim assist or very light aim assist if I am playing with Nexus. And yes, I hold the controller in the air. I like "twitchy" setting (it has low amount of smoothing?), usually feels most accurate and natural for me. I have to say again I don't have any PC gyro experience, so I look this controller purely for console user point of view.
@@Mikkis85 I'm pretty sure the xim feels more precise because when you hold the controller in the air, you lose precision but the Nexus has a lot of smoothing to help it out + when remapping to the stick you get acceleration, so those make it feel more precise. The controller isn't bad or anything but definately Splatoon has better gyro and if you have a pc at all it's not worth $150 to buy
@@idkrossplay I've had fantards trying to convince me it's better than the dualsense so I was waiting for a video like this telling the truth. I also find it strange that how amazing it's suppose to be but there are no reviews accept yours lol
@@CandarianGaming most people don't have the gyro experience, so they don't know how to review the gyro. And those that do already knew it was worse without buying the controller so they didn't want to spend so much money just for that
Not an honest review should report this video for lying. You’re not even trying to tune the XIM NEXUS Manager the PlayStation 4 controller is junk for Gyro controllers
Yeah I thought this was interesting for the people who wanted gyro on Xbox but the fact that you still got aim assist was always iffy to me. It's literally cheating but people who like XIM products love to feel like they are better than they are. The fact that it's that expensive but still doesn't have gyro comparable to PS5 is pretty poor imo.
People, using the computer to help them aim, are calling other people, who want to use only their own muscle input for aiming, cheaters. I guess that’s true in the most Orwellian sense possible. I despise aim assist, I turn that crap off in every game I can, especially if I have gyro. News flash, even if you use aim assist, and I don’t but I have gyro, you are STILL at a severe disadvantage.
So an “honest” review of the nexus, yet you didn’t tune the settings for the controller for the game??? Lol, ok… You have a lot to learn for an “experienced” user… NOT an “honest” review at all…
The real LOL here is the fact that this video is still the only xim nexus review on all of youtube. If the controller is so amazing, where are all the reviews? Of all the so called "fans" of this device that could easily get tons of views and not a single one of them has yet to make a video on it, just doesn't make sense at all. Even the open source Alpakka controller, which you have to make yourself has more than 1 review, has been out for far less time and is only available for PC.
This review went so slow oh my god what the hell I just watched I burn my brain cell watching the slow video video pure garbage I still get what I watched it wasn’t what I was looking for that’s for sure
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As a developer, I would love to be able to access the gyro feed directly so that I can give it the game-specific appropriate tuning options.
It seems that by emulating a joystick the game's own deadzones are being applied regardless of how the upstream conversion is happening. Some games will allow for some tuning of the stick dead zones if you're lucky, but then you may have drift coming from the actual stick as well? Hmm. Tough issue to fix without a developer actively supporting gyro as a first-class feature. I assume you probably want to emulate mouse instead, to avoid that issue of having the in game deadzones affecting both.
I can definitely say that DS4Windows allows to fix this issue at certain level - you can use gyro in "mouse joystick" mode (so it will emulate right stick inputs), and you also can change the gyro dead zone along with minimum input level and some other parameters. Thus, you can minimize the existing right stick deadzone inside the game itself. In this way, some games start feeling like they have gyro aiming "implemented" by the developers themselves :D (COD MW19 and Titanfall 2 are great examples).
However, the biggest issue for right stick emulation is that many games just incorrectly recognize/implement the right stick inputs. When you try moving right stick in some games, you notice that the game does not allow eazy circular movements for right stick - it feels too "square-ish" and unresponsive. Some games also have awful deadzone for the vertical and horizontal axes...
so yeah - sometimes the best way is to emulate the mouse. I wish more game developers could implement gyro aiming for their games
@@NuriMustafa-yq5bu the xim software allows you to do the same things as ds4windows, but more accurately. I was just comparing it to native gyro, which is why I might have made it sound like it did a bad job, but in reality it's just worse than native gyro
The Xim is a device that you are supposed to config to your standards of play. If you tuned it in you would be surprised!
Have you considered doing a similar review of the other gyro-emulator options for console like the armorX and Vader? The mere ability to use gyro on the Xbox and PlayStation games that don’t support it are actually the one selling point for a controller that gives less than ideal gyro. (I have a Xim, and it looks like I’ll need to use it to play Jedi Survivor, which doesn’t support gyro on any console).
I’m wondering your opinion about how the others contrast.
I have wanted to do a review of the armor X but I haven't gotten one yet. It's what I always recommend though because it has more features for half the price
Very interesting video! I've been searching for a controller that can simulate gyro in a reliable way for Xbox for a while now, and I appreciate your opinion as an experienced gyro player. I guess I'll hold off for now...
If you already have a pc and are just looking for a way to use gyro on Xbox, I think it's a fine controller. It's just that it would be better to save that money for a pc if you don't have one
I mean, there are sensitivity settings in the manager for different styles of play. Mines very accurate. Set my response to 100 and stability to 30. Everything else to 0. It feels natural to me.
@SlishSlosh do you have a apex config for the xim nexus? I cant find anything anywhere online.
have this controller and nothing of what you said its true what you probably did was you used the wrong config settings or your in game settings are off ur the only one with these problems
How much gyro experience do you have? Can you show me a clip of you aiming without aim assist? If not then I think I am more qualified to speak about it than you are
@@idkrossplay lol
Edit: it ain't a comment for you to heart.
IDKROSSPLAY may not have as much as gyro experience as you but i know how to configure it none if the issues have been happening seems like ur just hating
@@sushbob1690 why would I spend $150 on a controller just to hate it? Makes no sense. I was hoping it would be a good controller. And also you don't have the issues because you haven't used native gyro so you don't know how accurate it is
Ps4 controller way better
Looks like small movements are being thrown away. Reminds me of the time when Steam Controller suddenly started doing this after an update and we had to ask nicely to get it changed it back.
Also the overlay is able to get the controller's motion data. Maybe another software like JSM can too?
Ds4windows gives you the motion data in numbers and a chart, and JSO (JSM overlay) works just like the Nexus overlay. But it isn't released yet
I mean like, if nexus overlay could get the motion data, other software can too, so that functionality could be added to JSM so that JSM can remap the gyro to Mouse like it usually does.
@@nanopi maybe, but someone would have to program it. Nexus could pass through the gyro but they choose not to because of their ego
Should you be turning up the sensitivity of xim nexus? Coz i saw u turning the controller a lot to aim, seems not an easy way to aim with gyro like this.
The issue is that on console each game has built in stick deadzones, so there's a gap between when the controller moves and when the camera starts turning
@@idkrossplay thx for the reply, but would it be much better if u have the correct config of the game? coz i m xbox player, thinking if i should get one. Thx for ur detailed review
@@maccachan64 you will have to make your own config because the default configs are bad, but yeah it's better than stick aiming
@@idkrossplay except some games such as Apex where 0 is actually zero
@@shynizz I didn't test apex
1:09 Well Nexus has a Well rounded sensitivity settings app that allow you to customize your sensitivity settings very in depth did you take your time and do that before you started to game because I’ve seen people use this same controller and perform amazingly
Yes, I don't know what the issue was, but even if it did as good as on PC, it's still worse than the native gyro
Well you should make another video but really fine-tune your sensitivity settings and then give as another honest review because for Xbox users this is our only hope when It comes to Gyro on Xbox I don’t know when Microsoft will make a Gyro controller they’re going to have to in order to compete so I’m sure the XIM Nexus controller can be just as good as The dual shock or even better you just give your settings more of a fine -tuning Because the fact you said that the game isn’t registering micro adjustments it defeats The purpose of calling this motion and using this controllers Gyro function so just give your settings some tuning And get back to us test this out on Console by the way
@@kenzoellis6680 I already fine tuned everything on PC and the controller is still worse than the DualShock. Even with perfect fine tuning, it's still emulating a stick, but native gyro isn't emulating anything. Even under perfect circumstances, the controller is still not as good as native gyro and NOT worth $150, unless you have absolutely no choice but to stay on xbox
@@idkrossplay I 200% disagree with your opinion on this. How is it worse than native gyro? You get erratic movements with native gyro whereas the Nexus gyro, you can fine tune sensitivity to eliminate. I heard about you too and what you've been posting under those other videos about the Nexus. Plus you deleted one of the comments that disagreed with your opinion. The fact that I dropped a V2 rocket on Vanguard after one weeks with a Nexus completely negates everything you say about it. Coming from a person who sucks with thumbsticks. Don't blame XIM that you didn't do any proper setup. No excuses.
@@idkrossplay you literally said in your own video that you use the default settings you never fine-tuned The settings like I said I’ve seen tons of players perform at a higher level with this controller In fact even better than a dual shock I can’t judge this controller just based off your video especially with no tuning of the settings at least on camera that is you need more evidence to back your claims get this understood I’m not trying come off as if I’m trying defend this controller I never even play with it however All video is showing that you’re not giving this controller a fair shake i refused to just believe the controller is perfect out of the box for you personally or anybody else that matter just because they gave you their recommended settings doesn’t mean it’s right for you you’re gonna need to do some tuning on camera to back your claims dose Xbox one or PS4 controller come with your preferred sensitivity settings automatically no You have to tune them on each individual game correct? Like I said us Xbox players want to have faith in this thing because it’s all we have to step foot in the Gyro community some part of me for the facts check
Hey dude, it looks like all your issues are with the smoothing feature. Smoothing is designed for people newer to gyro, and also to work with aim assist. You seem to be very experienced with gyro aiming. Try going to Expert editing experience, set smoothing to custom, and set everything to 0. The stall you feel is specifically from stability. Give that a try and let me know what you think. I also have a video on my channel on how to set up pass-through. I think your opinions might change if you got everything set up the way you want it.
He's not going to do it. He's too damn stubborn and smooth brained.
My smoothing was already set to zero. I opened advanced settings and made my gyro match my dualsense gyro, even the acceleration curve. I set the deadzone and axis zones to 0 as well, and like I said, on PC there was no issues except the controller just wasn't as good as the dualsense
@@idkrossplay oh there's one more area you can get micro stalling from. Click on the top right 3 dots, Go to global settings, calibration swipe to motion sensing, and set noise to 0. Thats the micro stall you feel on PC. To me the rest of the criticism sounded like smoothing was still on, you didn't have your in game settings correct, or the game you are on has very poor thumbstick mechanics.
As far as the build quality, NEXUS uses an extremely high end sensor from Bosch, same brand that makes the DS4 motion sensor but much more accurate. Also from what I recall I believe motion aim for NEXUS is 500hz where Playstation caps out at 240hz.
@@GregRosolowski you're right, the issue is that it's emulating a thumbstick so it doesn't matter how good the gyro is anyways. Also dualsense uses a different sensor and also polls at 1000hz
@@idkrossplay thats cool that Duelsense polls at 1000hz. I'm curios if thats only when wired. I did hear 1000hz wired is coming to Nexus.
Some games have incredible thumbstick mechanics. Call of Duty, Apex, even Fortnite for example you can dail in with perfect granular movement. The type of stalling you had in Fortnite cannot be blamed on the thumbstick mechanics of that game. You either still had smoothing or something else was not set up correctly in the game.
Have you changed your smoke detector battery yet?
Nope
I really wanted to buy this controller but after when i saw your video I'm not sure what to do ! Is it really worth buying it?
Only if you're on Xbox and really want to try gyro
@@idkrossplay i’m on ps4
@@leona7558 then you should try games like paladins and Fortnite to see if you like gyro
@@idkrossplay ok thank you for the reply
I tested the controller with the DS4 on my PS4 Pro using Fortnite and I didn’t experience the issue the author showed on the video.
Is it able to be overclocked for better latency?
There's no latency, it already clocks at 500mhz
I wish the Xim was able to just mimic a dualsense/DualShock controller and output raw native gyro. If it has a better IMU than the Dualsense with the same or higher polling rate, and it could output native gyro, I would definitely pick one up.
I agree, and I don't know why they don't have the option but oh well
New Xim Matrix has gyro support for controller
Late to the party lmao, but I did notice something. Nexus' gyro looks more or less sort of fighting your movements instead aiding it. On one instance you turned the Nexus to the left °45 degrees, but it looks like the Nexus to that as °30 or °35 degrees. I might be wrong, but it kinda looks like it.
Yeah it doesn't have the best gyro
@@idkrossplay Yeah, looks clunky and stiff. Not at all what gyro is suppose to be. I got a cheap Switch Pro knock-off that has better gyro than the Nexus lmao.
Change your fire alarm's battery please
could it be that the gyro is mapped to the right joystick on xim nexus?
Yes that's the reason
For fortnite ps4 gyro gives no aim assist while the nexus does, try playing a team deathmatch on creative and see if gyro with aim assist is good or not
I know that, but I hate aim assist. And also Valorant and Kovaak's don't have aim assist so it's not a fair test to use aim assist in one game and not another
Your right that not allowing passthrough is bad (but only for pc). But did you even try to change any of the setting on your Nexus config. For example i bet you used perfectly dialed in settings on the native gyro in fortnite. Did you do the same for your Nexus, because otherwise this is not a fair comparison. I agree on the passthough, because i even asked them on their forum and the owner explained that his gyro controls where simply better then true mouse gyro (wich is bullshit offcourse). I recently bought anoter gyro device called an ARmor x pro from big big won.
This is a backbutton device for the series controller that also allows you to use gyro on multiple consoles (including native switch gyro) ps4 adn series. Amnd on pc you have passthrough. Their gyro settings in their app are not as good as the nexus, but they atleast listen to cusotmer feedback when you contact them. i have done so on multiple occasions and they have even resolved some of the big isues i had with their product, and they continue to do so (and tyhey even ask for feedback on the features they offer). Xim acts high and might however and just does what they think is best. Having gyro on xbox and on other consoles that dont support it is great, and even on some games that have horrible native gyro implemantations the nexus works great.
But on pc and on games that jibbsmart has worked (fortNite adn Deathloop)the Nexus is worse than the native implemantation. Still if you want gyro on xbox a would rather by a Armor x pro instead.
You're right about everything here, my main complaint was that there's no passthrough on a controller this expensive. I would look into the emulation side more except the armor x pro already does twice as much for half the price. I did do a fair comparison though, I just used the default gyro settings per game, and for Valorant I spent an hour making the Nexus gyro feel right
@@idkrossplay The nexus has a better smoothing and filtering, in my experience, but the fact that the owner thinks his stick gyro is better then native raw mouse input for the gyro, just turns me of from using the nexus on pc. Even the Armor x pro can use passthrough on the ps4 mode.
I play Xbox I still might get it
As a content creator for the Xim nexus on APEX!! i would say your settings have to be tweaked bro!! i found the perfect settings when i decided to dive in the advanced settings!! i think everyone is different plus you can make motion constant or switch it on!!
I never said the gyro was bad, just not as good as native. See 6:35
@@idkrossplay i see what you mean... in all fairness i never tried out the gyro on a ps5 controller!! i may do that as well
No
as i was expecting. emulating right stick is bad idea for gyro. tnx for sharing 🤝
You said you used default settings from their Xim Website.
I want you to fine tune to your own settings and compare with ur gyro settings...
Please this wud be 1 to 1...use custom settings of your own..
I did do that for Valorant
Just by seeing the fortnight clip I can tell you you need to adjust the sensitivity to be more comfortable for you, you are overshooting where you want the aim to be so needs sensitivity needs to go down.
The "recommended setting" ain't recommended, it's a starting point because it's supposed to be adjust to be perfect for you.
Edit: just realised at the time of this video fortnight wasn't properly supported so that could be the deadzone issues you were having.
I was only comparing the default config to the default in game gyro controls
change your fire alarm batteries
XIM's Smart Translator got nothing on Flydigi's SOMATOSENSORY pixel precision. :P
Im so confused what to buy
Thank you for the video. I would say it's a little unfair to the developers of the Xim Nexus though, since the first 2 games tested here were listed on their website as having partial support due to the native thumbstick movement by devs in the game. Would it be possible to test some games that are on their list of officially supported games, such as the Call of Duty/Battlefield series, etc.?
Your point about the Dualsense control having near identical control for half the price does make sense, so in a PC environment using this setup would be better. But for console players wanting to use gyro on games not officially supported it seems like a no brainer that this would be a good purchase (as long as the game is in the list of 100% functional games tested by Xim).
Yeah, the reason I chose those games was because they had native gyro and Xim Central said that the Nexus would outperform native gyro. I'm sure it's fine for Xbox but it's hard to recommend since you could use the $150 to build a PC instead of getting an overpriced controller. The smart translation technology is really good but of course it's only as viable as the game lets you get and COD/Battlefield are plagued with intense aim assist, so the controller will perform well regardless
@@idkrossplay Gotcha, I would be interested to see how it does in games where there was native gyro implemented well and didn't have weird accelerometer/other breaking features in the analog stick conversation for the Nexus. Right now native Fortnite gyro is a clear winner because of those conversion hiccups.
The best of both worlds would be Xim developing an adapter similar to their KB&M adapters that would allow you to use your gyro controller of choice.
@@10s20s30s what they should do is pass through the gyro to emulate a DS4 gyro, which is completely possible since their overlay is reading the gyro to calculate orientation. However, they choose not to, so if someone is on PS4 they're better off using native gyro as opposed to the Nexus
But the answer would be that it would be limiting in games with gyro since you're bound to stick. Flick stick isn't an option on the Nexus, and whatever sensitivity multipliers you choose for the different modes will be bound to both stick and gyro, so if you want a faster gyro building sensitivity but not a faster stick building sensitivity, impossible
The problem i have with the nexus is more with the owner of the company. He really thinks his smart translator technology outperforms mouse gyro. There are many people on the forum that ask for passtrough on pc but he just shrugs it off and keeps pushing support for passtrhough to a later date. If he would allow passtrhough then nobody would need his smart translator for pc anymore. He sees that as a loss instead of thinking of this like a way to gain a entire new marketplace for pc gyro users. Some gyro users hate the playstation layout and want a xbox controller with gyro. There is litterally a market for it. Yey he refuses to add it, just to keep people in his ecosystem.
Although i really like the nexus for games on xbox, i much prefer to use mouse gyro when given the chance.
just looks like it needs some deadzone compensation
What is jyro?
Gyro is the motion sensor
I just got one of these feels so hard to use 😔
Change the batteries in your smoke alarm brah
kinda puts the nexus in a weird spot, cause its 150 dollars but is a brick on PC,switch and PS5,and losing to a base PS4 controller in some console games with native support, so id have to agree that its mostly just an Xbox controller (maybe also for PS4 if you really need gyro and its unavailable), or as a aim assist crutch device to give as much advantage as possible for no skill.
The support for gyro on PS4 and PS5 is so severe (edit, as in very poor), you might as well consider it as much a necessity for the PS4 as it is for Xbox. Really pathetic for this to be the reality when Sony has had a viable gyro on their controllers for a long time.
@@Creshex8 i get the lack of support, but for games that do support it well, it will always be worse. (which is not ideal for a 150$ controller to be losing to a 60$ one)
also it doesn't support PS5 at all afaik (and ps5 supports gyro a bit more afaik), so my brick comment for PS5 still stands.
@@ananon5771 Why do you say it will be worse? Have you tried comparing it to native gyro? I’ve tried side by side comparison with Fortnite and I can’t tell any difference with similar sensitivities. I’ve been playing Gears of War and Vanquish (a game with no AA), and I’ve never had an issue with wishing for a more “authentic” gyro experience. Besides, this controller was not meant to replace a standard controller for games that already support gyro, there would be no reason for this controller to exist at all if that were the case. This controller allows you to use motion control on games that never had it or supported it.
@@Creshex8 due to the way the gyro is implemented, it basically is emulating a joystick in its gyro, with that as the only option for all games.
and though i don't own an apex, steam lets you use the gyro as emulating a joystick, and its ok, but feeling the deadzone is common (even after adjustments, though it can be minimized with good adjustments, though its really hard to get rid of it) and weird sensitivity limits that feel awful for large movements (something basically impossible to avoid).
like i tried it in vanquish for comparison and even with my old config having like ten times more smoothing than it needed to, it still felt better than a quick one i made for the joystick gyro by alot and even after adjusting it further, my old config was better, and adjusting my old config widened the gap further.
it wasn't so bad that it was anywhere close to normal stick, but it was still worse. (like a 6-7.5 vs a 8.5-9.5, with a stick being like a 3-4ish)
for example on how different it is, in the tutorial level i did the test in, while aiming at a robot, i was able to "trace" his eye with mouse gyro while the joystick gyro really struggled with movements so small, either with them being eaten by the deadzone or once movement did happen the minimum movement was too much (and that's after adjustments), making it more of a messy circle around the head area, i know that level of precision is not super important om vanquish and in a game like gears would be compensated by aim assist, its to demonstrate the difference in-game. (with the mouse gyro also being faster and a bit smoother).
also im comparing to mouse-gyro cause its the same as what a good native gyro should feel like. (and i own vanquish on PC and like the game)
also XIM does claim its method is better and though i sympathize with the idea of game compatibility, its still worse and that must be mentioned for a 150$ product, even on platforms it was made for.
what's sadder is if it could just use its gyro normally, id probably be the best controller for gyro aim due to basically having it both ways, making it actually a good value for true gyro aim lovers, but the ignorance of xim leaves us with imperfection.
sorry for being so long-winded, but the vanquish thing ended up being a messy tangent.
@@ananon5771 Hey! Another Vanquish fan. I put in a request for Xim to support the game.
I’m using my Nexus on the PS4, and I cannot get the generic templates to work with it at all. Not sure why, maybe they were made to work with the PC. So I use a Borderlands 3 template with it, and that config, along with most others made for console, seems to work fine. The problem I have with the generic templates is the dead zone, liked you mentioned. I can’t get rid of it, and it’s too high. I think there are configuration options that are invisible that have to be adjusted by the creators.
But if I use one of the other console configs, the dead zone problem vanishes. And I cannot really figure out how the performance could be improved. I haven’t used it on the PC yet. So I guess you have a point in the realm you are talking about.
Why I don’t think I have much choice, however, I’d I don’t know of any alternatives that allow gyro to be used for all games on Xbox or PS4. The alternatives I’ve looked at only allow gyro on games that already support it, making any extra controller unnecessary.
I jus fuking brought the controller yesterday I ordered it
Oof
Not many xbox series games are supported and the controller quality feels like its cost 20 dollars. Shame Microsoft won't implement gyro motion controls in their next iteration of controllers
Not only does series X lack Gyro, but it doesn't even have standard HD rumble OR Haptics, and adaptive triggers. It also lacks 3D Audio(unless I'm mistake) and wont have it's own VR headset compared to PS5....MS has done aboslutely nothing to make XBX innovative, unique or exciting. It's just an 'easier' PC....If it weren't for the DesignLabs custom controller color maker app, i wouldn't even consider getting one. :P
Their exclusives are lack luster too. All i want to play on it as of now are Panzer Dragoon Orta, Contra Hardcorps Uprising & RareReplay, and those are old games. :p BTW, the best Gyro controls i've experienced are for PowerSlave & Quake Remaster with the Nintendo Switch Pro Controller(Or Joy-cons + Controller shell or using the Duel Sense Gyro. Did you know that the Switch Pro controller has almost 13ms more input lag than the joy-cons? it was actually confirmed and tested. Plus, Gyro is always a mixed bag. There's no reference/sensor bar so more often than not you'll have to press a realignment button once you lose accuracy. Doesn't seem to happen with Power Slave or quake though.
What pisses me off about this Nexus controller, is that it doesn't even support rumble with Gyro in unison....No adaptive triggers either, and it's butt ugly. :p Might just pass on it
You should look into the Armor X pro, it's just an attachment for xbox controllers but it supports switch controller emulation (which means native gyro as well) and also has the gyro to stick translation
I was amazed how good NEXUS is with micro movements. I am not PC player, but I have over 2000 hours of gyro experience with Nintendo Switch games. Games like Splatoon 2 (I achieved highest possible rank in the game), which has one of best gyro aiming mechanics on consoles. NEXUS beats every native Switch gyro game, hands down. I am not saying you are wrong here or anything, though. But for me, it is close to perfect controller for Xbox.
Most switch games have bad gyro. Are you turning aim assist off? Because the xim might just feel better since it has aim assist
@@idkrossplay Splatoon 2 does not have aim assist whatsoever (its not even option). Usually I don't use it even if it is an option, because its fights with gyro mechanics, I feel. Most Switch games are running 30 fps, but Splatoon 2 is 60fps almost locked. And yes, there are switch games with really weak gyro but also really good ones.
@@Mikkis85 I'm aware of how Splatoon 2 works, since I own the game. I was asking about when you use gyro on the Xim Nexus. Do you hold your controller in the air when you play? If you do then it might feel better because the large amounts of smoothing
@@idkrossplay Ah ok. Usually I prefer no aim assist or very light aim assist if I am playing with Nexus. And yes, I hold the controller in the air. I like "twitchy" setting (it has low amount of smoothing?), usually feels most accurate and natural for me. I have to say again I don't have any PC gyro experience, so I look this controller purely for console user point of view.
@@Mikkis85 I'm pretty sure the xim feels more precise because when you hold the controller in the air, you lose precision but the Nexus has a lot of smoothing to help it out + when remapping to the stick you get acceleration, so those make it feel more precise. The controller isn't bad or anything but definately Splatoon has better gyro and if you have a pc at all it's not worth $150 to buy
7:39 is the killer
Yep, people keep defending the controller and blaming games for bad deadzones but don't realize this
@@idkrossplay I've had fantards trying to convince me it's better than the dualsense so I was waiting for a video like this telling the truth. I also find it strange that how amazing it's suppose to be but there are no reviews accept yours lol
@@CandarianGaming most people don't have the gyro experience, so they don't know how to review the gyro. And those that do already knew it was worse without buying the controller so they didn't want to spend so much money just for that
Please change the battery on your fire alarm please. That drove me mental.
Yeah I bought it nexus, used it for a day and threw that s*** away. It's pretty trash especially compared to the apex.
Not an honest review should report this video for lying. You’re not even trying to tune the XIM NEXUS Manager the PlayStation 4 controller is junk for Gyro controllers
Yeah I thought this was interesting for the people who wanted gyro on Xbox but the fact that you still got aim assist was always iffy to me. It's literally cheating but people who like XIM products love to feel like they are better than they are. The fact that it's that expensive but still doesn't have gyro comparable to PS5 is pretty poor imo.
Yeah definately
This comment is very stupid and ignorant and you probably haven't even used this controller with that conclusion.
People, using the computer to help them aim, are calling other people, who want to use only their own muscle input for aiming, cheaters.
I guess that’s true in the most Orwellian sense possible. I despise aim assist, I turn that crap off in every game I can, especially if I have gyro. News flash, even if you use aim assist, and I don’t but I have gyro, you are STILL at a severe disadvantage.
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So an “honest” review of the nexus, yet you didn’t tune the settings for the controller for the game???
Lol, ok…
You have a lot to learn for an “experienced” user…
NOT an “honest” review at all…
lol
The real LOL here is the fact that this video is still the only xim nexus review on all of youtube. If the controller is so amazing, where are all the reviews? Of all the so called "fans" of this device that could easily get tons of views and not a single one of them has yet to make a video on it, just doesn't make sense at all. Even the open source Alpakka controller, which you have to make yourself has more than 1 review, has been out for far less time and is only available for PC.
@@CandarianGaming this is so true, it's funny that I'm the only true review of the controller on yt. They definitely failed with this one
First
This review went so slow oh my god what the hell I just watched I burn my brain cell watching the slow video video pure garbage I still get what I watched it wasn’t what I was looking for that’s for sure
You could just have chosen not to watch it though?