I forgot about this channel. He actually uses real life tools to back his claims up... Unlike every other TH-cam channel out there that just reads the specs and uses their eyes then say, it looks good.
Only review you'll ever need. Extremely deep detailed comparison, while also keeping it plain english and understandable for peasants like me. Great work!! Hopefully you will do some QD-oled comparisons, cause I don't know which the buy... C2 42" or alienware's QD oled :thinking:
Absolutely no hope for it, because the bfi has to be implemented by lg displays as a part of the the display controller named tcon board. Even the a90k has only an on/off Option for bfi, and you can bet against all woleds this year, none of them is going to provide a 120hz bfi, because it depends on the tcon board supplied by lg displays.
@@blitzwing1 nope, the sony a95k has also only an bfi on/ off toggle, that implies the same limitation for the samsung s95b. Like with lg displays the bfi has to be implemented as a part of the tcon board and if samsung displays' one is also lacking the 120hz bfi, no tv manufacturer can change that.
I believe the panel uses less power draw, which means less heat and in theory less burn in risk. Less power draw may also put less strain on internal components and the power supply.
doesn't the wbe seperate the reds and greens better then the wbc? isn't that what the spectroradiometer shows? i thought that was one of the selling points of the wbe over the wbc? i find it funny how on LG's own website its states "LG OLED evo sets a new standard. The next - gen OLED panel has been redesigned to include an extra layer and a stronger emissive material. These optimize the structure of the panel and refining the wavelengths of light. The result is brighter, punchier picture quality and improved clarity of content - its not just the display that's evolved, its your viewing experience." not once in that paragraph did it bring up the processor or any software. all hardware. So where is this new hardware if its using an old panel?
Agree 100 percent. I don't think LG pulling this should be glossed over. I don't care about extra brightness or temporary retention I care about long term durability, especially as a pc monitor. And no one has tested this long term. And I definitely don't believe the old panel will somehow have the same durability as the new one.
I'm loving my 42" LG C2 OLED. I'm using it primarily for movies and PC gaming and have it sat on my desk. I was previously using a LG 48" C1 but found it to be a little too big for the desk. It was giving me a fair bit of eye fatigue at such a close range and the 48" model also has a stand which sticks out quite a bit behind the TV (around 16cm). With the 42" C2, its legs only stick out 6cm behind the TV so it means the TV itself can be pushed further back on the desk compared to the 48" C1. Picture quality-wise, I find the 42" C2 to be slightly clearer than the 48" with regards to text and small details. This is due to the pixel density of the smaller screen. Overall, the 42" C2 is a much more comfortable viewing experience for desktop usage. My 48" C1 now lives in another room.
If you can wall mount the 48", that is really the best way to use it as a monitor. I was about to return my C1 due to eye fatigue too, but decided to try the wall mount first. For me, that was the perfect solution.
I would love to know what its like for viewing documents. - I would guess its possible to view a whole Google-Doc / PDF without scrolling? - 60-80 lines - but I wonder how clear text appears. A 27" Apple Thunderbolt has a DPI of 109 - which imo is perfect at arms length. - The LG is 99 - so, it would make sense to put it just beyond arms length. - a 24" 1080p monitor has a DPI of 82, which I think is too low for text based work. Unless there is a sanely priced OLED based productivity monitor released in the next 2 months, I will have to give the C2 a try. - Not ready to pay for a 32EP950 quite yet.
@@Jupiters1337 why. It's not super great rn but why wouldn't you want to see what improvements can be made. It has the potential to be significantly brighter than oled without risk of burn in
@RedJoker take the rog pg32uqx for example. 1152 zones, 1400 nits, 4ms response, and 400,000:1 contrast ratio. If price can go down it's already quite good performance, it's plenty fast too. You don't need millions of zones to appreciate the hdr. Even 3-5k zones would be really good
Had this almost 2 weks now and it is amazing for both Gaming and Working, loving it, I am a Technical Solutions Architect and love my PC gaming and wanted something I could move back more than a monitor so it was not so close to my eyes, definitely does the job :)
Man LG you make PC monitors already, give us some OLED Pc monitors in 27-38" sizes!! I plugged in my 3080 PC through HDMI 2.1 into my LG OLEDCX65 in the living room and I haven't unplugged it since.. I just LOVE using it for everything and sit on the sofa with wireless setup
@@tazfas best picture quality on the market and even without gaming features people consider Sony TV's to be better than LG, much punchier picture in HDR, overall better quality and motion, and you complaining about chipset xD
Does the chips even matter as long as the perform the intended base function? Feel as if all brands TVs still have about as long term support for extra functionality as the average budget smartphone.
Hey Vincent! I just got my 42" C2 and outlined the same white uniformity issue in my review as you have. Do you think this is something that will be fixed via software update? I have a feeling this will indeed be a dealbreaker for many - LG knew many would be looking at this panel as a desktop option so it's unacceptable that they have shipped this with such an obvious flaw IMO. Great technical analysis as always!
@@hdtvtest Thank you both for your reviews. I am also considering the 42" C2 as my main monitor (60% work, 40% gaming (PC & PS5) ). Regarding the uniformity issue, does this only occur on white elements? Or does anything dragged to that part of the screen get a color shift? Say I move a photo to the far right part of the screen, will the colors on that photo be presented differently compared to if the same photo was in the center of the screen? Thanks.
Seems like OLEDs still need to iron out some issues before being easy to recommend to everyone as general-purpose monitors. Right now, it's a trade-off between highs (contrast, color, speed) and lows (non-uniformity, image retention, price). Even QD-OLED has color-fringing due to its unique pixel stricture. It's a tough decision for PC enthusiasts, especially since there's no massive improvement in sight. Sure you can keep your existing monitor on the same desk for non-content-consumption use, but then its colors (VA) or contrast (IPS) are going to look miserable after returning from the OLED - not to mention desk space constraints. This worries me personally.
1:38 WBC - WBE, no mentioning of the break through technology of "deuterium to make OLED TVs 30% brighter" Where is this whole deuterium improvement? Are we just causally not going to talk about that LG?
It was known 42" and 48" wouldn't be any brighter beforehand, it still doesn't justify 42" not being WBE but I assume LG has to sell the 42" WBC panels they were producing for over a year now.
Yes ... LG has a problem of committing and not delivering ! Printing "evo" on the box and claiming this "evo" stands for the use of "deuterium" and "additional layer" panels ... and using "WBC" panels without deuterium and the additional layer then ... is not funny at all.
Is the 24fps smoothing also using BFE? That’s exactly how real film theater projectors did it back in the day… each frame flashed twice via a 48fps shutter. It’d be awesome if they provided a stable SDR 24fps BFE mode via that approach, and call it “classic cinema” or similar.
@@AltCutTV not from my research, no. Although technically 48fps+BFI is kinda more like 96fps with the black frames included. There were apparently some drive-in theaters with tri-blade shutters, but indoor theaters all had twin blade shutters: Frame>Black>Frame>Black>Advance, Repeat.
That was a very thorough review-good job Vincent! LG’s 42” OLED should be well received by game enthusiasts. Even with minor improvements from lasts years models, the addition of a 42” panel and best-in-class gaming features, makes this panel the one to beat.
doesn't really matter what the evo stands for it's still misleading unless they actually state what the evo means on the box as at first glance you would assume it's just a smaller one with everything else being identical
I just bought the C2 65 inch and it will be delivered next week. I can’t wait! Over the past 5 years I have only bought TV’s and sound systems that Vincent did reviews on. He is the Wizard when it comes to this stuff. If I go in Best Buy and they try to help me I tell them if their name isn’t Vincent from HDTVTEST then they aren’t qualified to assist me. 😂
This TV was delivered to me last week. After switching on, the red diode lights up and when you press the power button it flashes, but the TV does not turn on, the same is true when you try to turn on the TV using the remote control. manufactured 9/2022. I don't understand that they send a non-functioning TV from the factory.
No comparison, the local dimming sucks for desktop use, and samsung's implementation of high refresh rate\game mode is buggy dogshit. (have qn90 and c9)
@@1337Hans Thank you for the response. One thing I am curious about is if it's worth the trade offs as my desk is in a room with a lot of windows and light and I hear OLEDS aren't great in high light environments as well as no burn in concerns on the QLED. If mini LED is capable of getting close to oled contrasts, then it might be worth it. I will probably go with the OLED but would like to at least see them side by side before I make a decision.
@@TheFunVeggie he’s talking nonsense. No ones seen the new QN90B yet. Last years was rubbish as it was only 60Hz so wasn’t really good for gaming or comparable to high end monitors. The new version is 144hz and will have a 10 year screen burn warranty so definitely better than the C2 as a monitor. OLEDs as monitors would be great but they all get screen burn
i find that such nonsense even after lg's explanation. all of them should be WBE regardless of whether it makes a difference or not but there is a difference with the spectroradiometer reading. Its like selling someone a 1978 corolla and saying its new tech because it has latest tires and has been tuned up it just doesn't have the newest engine but it doesn't need it cause its tuned up. I mean if its totally ok cause its a combination of some type of software then why are they not just downloading that software into C1's for customers benefit. the primary difference expected in hardware is HARDWARE. they are full of it and that just smells of lemonade.
I don't mind the older WBC panel on the 42" C2. It's just that the $1399 price tag doesn't make sense for what's essentially a C1 performance. A fair MSRP for this "old-performance" TV would be around $999.
No way they are gonna do that before other companies comes up with similar products to compete, if I remember correctly the 42 c2 is the same price as the 48 c2 and tbh they can charge this price simply because they have no competition, there are some other 42in gaming displays but they are either not oled or has some stupid coating, it’s just not as versatile as the c2, so even at this price I guess a lot of people will still be interested including me
The good news is, in a few months you'll be able to get it for that much, and then later again in November, and finally Q1 2023. It's never smart to buy these TVs right as soon as they launch if you're hung up on price, because they *always* drop in price only a few months later.
Another review showed the c2s having more centralized vesa mounting holes as well.. I'm actually pretty interested in this now as I'd like to leave my wall mount where it is vs having to move it down for a c1
@@mattb6646 well, I'm not in a rush so by end of the year it may be worthwhile. Also wanting to see if the screen flexes less as I'm uncomfortable with how thin there too portions of the screens are.
@@dangoodall1253 I heard there should be other oleds releasing later this year too so perhaps there will be more options and compition by then.. as for the thinness that seems to be a selling point so I'm not sure if you'll find any much thicker. I dont own an oled yet I'm also investigating, so I can't speak to their rigidity, havnt heard any stories of them getting bend or snapped though so I can't imagine it's too much of an issue
Simple, It'll run 3840x1600 in 21:9 and 3840x1080 in 32:9 mode and report as such to the GPU. This way you don't need forced resolutions and play around with scaling options. Still, i don't see a reason to not use big parts of the screen. Imo letterboxing doesn't offer anything in terms of immersion. And that's coming from an ultrawide owner.
Unfortunately for that TV, it has achieved lowest brightness of 182cd/m2 at 100% window size and 187cd/m2 at 10% window size. I checked through rtings. Thats in PC mode. The monitor I got is 32gp850 and it can achieved 400+ cd/m2 both SDR and HDR when connected to PC. So I rather stay away from this if you plan to plug into PC. But if you plug PS5 to that LG it will improve brightness back up to 343 cd/m2 at 10% size in expert mode dark room with peak brightness on high. Still it is puzzling me why in PC mode it shows much darker result in cd/m2 than in other mode.
The left side LED back light died on my 43" Samsung Q60R so now I have a tv with a half lit screen, I was gaming on it when I noticed the left side of the screen got dark. I was thinking about fixing my tv but the LG C2 has my interest and some research seems to suggest that OLED tv's may have a little more longevity. I'm going to place a order for the LG C2 42", hopefully I'll get a lot longer use out of it than my Samsung.
The WBC and WBE distinction doesn't necessarily matter when you're talking about temporary image retention. Where it matters is the long term durability of a set and its ability to stave of permanent burn in; deuterium based WBE "Evo" panels are theoretically more resistant in this regard than WBC panels. I like your stuff Vincent, but honestly, it feels like you let LG off the hook way too easily here. Bit disappointed in you to be honest.
@SteadyChaos Productions: Unless you have hard data to prove that WBC is not up to task, we'll have to take the word of LG who have actually done accelerated testing themselves. After all, all OLED TVs over the past few years have been using WBC OLED panels, and we haven't seen an increase in reports of permanent burn-in, have we? We present all the data as is without sugarcoating so that potential buyers can make an informed decision. Without our objective testing, you wouldn't even know that most 42-inch C2 OLEDs today are using a WBC panel. Our conscience is perfectly clear despite your disappointment.
@@hdtvtest Not looking to get in a back and forth here, but do you really think showing a ten second clip of some image retention fading is somehow proof WBC is just as reliable as WBE and deuterium based panels? I'm just not sure its useful - that's all. My qualm with LG is they put "Evo" on the C2 box - all of them. This is how LG defines their EVO TVs: "Experience television as never before. The ...OLED evo TV [is] our best OLED TV yet. Your viewing experience has evolved with brighter, punchier picture quality and improved clarity thanks to the next-gen OLED panel. An extra layer and stronger emissive material optimizes the structure to increase efficiency by refining the light wavelengths." The problem is, with a standard WBC C2, there are no increased efficiencies or refined wavelengths - as LG is not using the "stronger emissive material" (Deuterium) - just standard hydrogen instead. See this excerpt from Chemical & Engineering News - they interviewed a technical fellow (Norman Herron) who develops OLED displays using hydrogen and deuterium based compounds: "Lifetime, Herron explains, is a top consideration for OLED materials. Every pixel in an OLED display is made up of about eight materials stacked in emissive and charge-transport layers. The deterioration of just one of these materials can cause image-sticking problems, ruining the entire display. “What we ultimately do is make sure that we address the weakest material, or the slowest dog on the team, and make sure that it comes up to speed,” Herron says. For LG’s OLED.EX technology, DuPont deuterated an existing molecule used to carry electrons in the blue-emissive substack. DuPont won’t say what the molecule is other than to classify it as a polyfused aromatic compound. A big synthetic challenge for the DuPont team, which has been working on deuterated OLED compounds for 15 years, was replacing hydrogen with deuterium while maintaining high purity. There are multiple carbon-hydrogen bonds in that molecule, and we are substituting some of them but not all of them,” Herron says. “And the net effect is we apparently increased the lifetime. So we must be addressing some of the weaker carbon-hydrogen bonds that were leading to the degradation behavior.” To me, LG is simply being deceptive. They got caught. They claim their EVO uses a specific compound giving it improved brightness and efficiency. But, the 42/48" C2 lacks said compound, despite being marketed as such. And, based on the science, deuterium allows OLED panels to be driven, on average, about 30% harder while maintaining the same life expectancy. Therefore, it goes without saying if one were to use deuterium with standard OLED level brightness - say 750 nits - life expectancy would be greatly improved compared to conventional hydrogen based panel.
@@steadychaosproductions3376 Thanks a lot for this insight ... I was already aware of the issue and am 100% sharing your concerns. But now ... with your research results ... it's even clearer plus of more official character. Nevertheless I am extremely glad Vincent is doing these measurements (not the image retention thing tho^^) ... allowing us to be as careful as it is appropriate to not get duped. Thanks again !
@SteadyChaos Productions: You're not looking to get into a back and forth, yet wrote a thesis full of flaws. You have to understand that fundamentally, LG Electronics (the TV maker) and LG Display (the panel maker) are different entities. LG Electronics (the TV maker) who came up with the "EVO" branding never admitted to deuterium use. The deuterium component is only promoted by LG Display (the panel maker). So if you read the EVO definition you've quoted yourself: "An extra layer and stronger emissive material optimizes the structure to increase efficiency by refining the light wavelengths." - it could simply mean optimisation of the existing WBC panel. And you can't say that there's no optimisation, because until this year, there hasn't been a WBC 42-inch panel with the higher pixels per inch (PPI) yet roughly the same peak brightness of 700 nits - hence "increased efficiency". Bottom line is, we have honestly and transparently reported the WBC panel on our 42-inch LG C2, so that consumers can make an informed decision. If you *REALLY* think you have a case against LG for false advertising, put your money where your mouth is and start a class-action lawsuit against them, and you'll quickly see how far your presumptions will go in court. Good luck.
Improves motion clarity since it reduces “persistence blur” - effectively blur caused by holding a frame on-screen for its duration. Designed to replace backlight strobing in LCDs and natural CRT flicker
should i take the 48 inch or 42 inch for gaming and video watching...is 48 inch better in brightness and color accuracy...is 42 inch also equal to 48 inch or less bright or less color accurate.. etc
Even with that official statement, this is misleading advertisement at best, fraud at worst. And I bet in some countries with proper customer protection, the latter would be the outcome of any disputes.
@@fabcol1888 I also could not with the remote that came with the TV. I bought a service remote from Amazon for $7.50. MKJ39170828 Replacement Service Remote. Works perfect!
You are a very truthful honest person , who is very descriptive and easy to understand 😀 ur way of explanation is 1 of the greatest u are a good guy with very nice easy way of understanding tvs and the differences great guy u are , great channel, and obviously yes I subscribed please continue ur work it helps me alot .
Hi , I plan to buy this tv on the next two weeks. Can you make a video about the calibration and image settings for the ps5 and Xbox series X ? I gonna use it just for gaming . Thanks 🙏
The amount of people I saw cancelling orders due to this and crying about how bad it was, To only be told the older panel is better due to less pink tint at angles is hilarious.
I bought my C2 42" 3 days ago… can confirm from the service menu that I have the WBE panel (Module Info 2 - 08/00/01/03). Funnily enough, it doesnt have the pink tint, it’s more blue-ish. Edit: I also have the same uniformity issue seen at 6:22, where the left side of the panel appears more cooler than the right side. Particulary noticable on the low left on my C2.
I'm little nervous with the pinkish tint that was also found on the bigger G2 by AV Forums. They said u can see it a bit on white screen like the Revelant snow scenes . Thanks as always Vincent for your hard and honest work.
@@jayroman3384 actually what he" clearly" states is at 100% window noticeable to some viewer a slight pink/mangeta tint...some viewer may notice this on the SIDE of the panel . Something not overly noticeable when watching content. Something more moticeable if you are watching it from the side. That's at least what I'm getting from the two of them ,that's it noticeable enough . Avforums n Vincent saw it. Reminds me of Sony tvs with their slightly darken corners .
@@camarykaren you just proved both of us right with your response. It’s more noticeable from the side. You have to remember they are actively looking for deficiencies in the panel for review purposes. It’s not something thats going to be noticeable to the average viewer.
Has LG given any explanation as to why BFI is gone? It feels like they only removed it from the C2 to keep their new TVs from being 'too perfect' to keep the market open for the future models.
BFI isn't gone! Not on the C1 at least. If you're referring to this with a PS5 then it's Sony's latest firmware that introduced ALLM with no trigger to turn on/off! You can test this with a PS4/Xbox/PC etc etc and see what I mean! BFI is still there, make sure all A.I services are disabled maybe? Good luck 👍
My guess would be that they saw how few people actually use it and decided that it's not worth investing too much time into. They have the telemetery data to make such decisions. Still, it's possible it will be added via later firmware updates. LG is known to expand on software features throughout their TV's lifespan.
Top class review on as is basis . Methodology of testing is undisputable. TRUE professional. However, is the old panel in c2 a good option or wait for 2023 release of 42C3? Hopefully with new panel.
Excellent review, many thanks. You technical knowledge is excellent and most appreciated. I'm primarily interested in using this monitor for Adobe Pr 2022 editing/grading of HDR content ... my other TV/monitors are the LG C9 OLED and older Sony A1E OLED ... the C9 is exceptional ... do you have an opinion on how the C2 would compare to the C9?
I can understand gamers wanting a smaller screen and better ppi for a monitor, but it’s $1,400 with a WBC panel…and currently the 48” C1 is $999 with a WBE panel, which is great deal
Yeah I noticed that. Seems like Its the classic case of ripping off the gaming comunity to me. I was really looking forward to the 42" for this purpose but like you say charging more for a smaller older panel im not OK with this 👎
@@oooo1110 These companies are making record profits. Charging people £1400 for a 42" screen is just rediculous! I think I'll wait to see what else comes out from other manufacturers or maybe just wait for the C3 next year. Maybe that one will be more reasonably priced and actually have an up to date panel.
I originally wanted the 42", but I saved the money instead & really don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. Especially since I've got the WBE panel & don't view it off angle so there's no downside as far as I can see it.
Smaller panels are lower volume products due to average demand. Same as much bigger ones are. So the sweet spot for most area value probably is around 55" still. Noticed this on the hunt for a 48 recently.
Waiting for that 42” C2 vs 34” Alienware Ultrawide comparison. Interested to see which one works best strictly for PC gaming. I currently have 65” C1 I use for movies and console gaming. Need something for the desk for M/KB that has amazing HDR. 😁 Ordered the Alienware but it is not shipping till June so I have plenty of time to cancel if the 42” LG is better.
Id love to see this as well. I asked someone at Best Buy and they said LG but of course it’s biased response as they don’t sell Alienware nor seen it. I’m torn and waiting for more head to head reviews before buying anything
i don't get it, you stated as great color reproduction yet i see bad colors. that should not look like they should. snow look strange, green/ bluish tint and so on. i wonder what' happened.
What about the 55inch can’t find the info anywhere? Stuck between 48 or 55 and really could do without the 55 but I don’t really want to buy a c2 48 that’s apparently basically the c1
@wat: Calibration and validation of consumer TVs are only performed on one spot at the centre of the screen, since the calibration controls don't allow for adjustments to separate areas of the screen.
I'll have to have a think about how much of pain the lack of 120hz Black frame insertion would be. I'm glad he told us this though as There are some TV that have a similar issue with the Black Frame insertion implementation where that information is really hard to locate. I would like it if Vincent would do a video sometimes about user nterface function by manufacturer as no one ever bothers to mention things like picture in picture options - which can vary a lot - but they never get a mention. Sound modes is something else that rarely gets a mention either... and considering how some old games machines use to run with big black bars screen adjust is an issue too. none of that ever gets mentioned much. Screen position adjust is another one that is handy to have as well but again doesn't ever get mentioned - so you are left guessing or having to go look up he PDF of the manuals for every TV and hope they mention things and don't try to hide things (i am looking at you Samsung and Sony)
I did noit know about VRR flicker. I thought it was my computer output, Windows, GPU drivers etc when I saw the screen flickering on game menus. I will test thee option in game optimizer to see if it helps. Thanks for the heads up Vincent. Would you say the frame judder on 24 fps movies is significantly better on the C2 than the C1?
I had the same problem with the 48" C1. I fixed it by moving the HDMI cable to a different port on the TV. You might be able to fix your problem the same way
I have it on my LG Oled like he's saying in the static displays, but on my AOC monitor I had it in many games, but that was because it didn't have g-sync module I believe
- No 120 Hz BFI - Yellow blob color tinting - Still gamma problems with VRR LG messed up... 120 Hz BFI was a major selling point for me. Why would they remove that? Will it return in a firmware upgrade?
just have it for days, it is the NO BRAINER for GAMER. some says C1 48 inch is better but there is supply issue so only limited availability even logically much more budgets. agreed it is not the best overall . 48 inch C2 is also super limited that needed to pre-order for weeks *atleast in my cities maybe.
This transition issue really has bugged me on my good old 55" B7 ... definitely more in DV than HDR10(+), but yeah. This genuinely puts me off watching in DV, as (in my dumb head) I can usually rely on HDR10 (not 10+) to just keep the same luminance/brightness/whatevs throughout ...
It would be really nice if you could ask LG if they intend to return 120hz BFI to the C2 in an update. I know its a niche feature due to the low brightness but its honestly the feature I have the highest hopes for, if it were 50% brighter I would forgo HDR in games altogether for the motion clarity. 9:14 - I also noticed these jarring transitions on the C1. It can be really frustrating seeing the panel flex its high brightness capability before backing off. According to RTings ABL figures for the C1 are much higher than the 55" panels, I'm guessing most of the people saying they don't notice dynamic brightness changes are at 55" and above.
should I worry about uniformity in a pure gaming perspective? Additionally is this panel bright enough for a moderately lit environment or should I look for an LED panel instead if I am not in a completely dark environment?
no, the tinting isnt isolated to your panel vincent. even last years panels have that "defect" on the coating, watched your videos before buying an 65" C1 since you look like know what you are doing and recommeding it as best tv to buy for gaming, all the underlying features are nice but the most important thing is picture quality and my first one had some on the right side and it was too noticable left 5% of the screen was simply red, lg refused to replace it but fortunately it had an earc issue too and it got replaced with another c1 that has half the screen pink tinted but not that much noticable. so first tv: %5 heavy pink tint, second one: 50% milder pink tint. It's unbearable, maybe it's just me being a graphic designer and having an eye for things like these. But these tvs never should have left the factory in this condition this is very anti-consumer behaviour, selling these tvs with manufacturing defects and not replacing them, please investigate this topic and use caution when recommending lg oleds. Also C1 goes bonkers on some content with low light, crushed gradients and very noticable bands everywhere, whats the point in deep blacks when its unwatchable mostly on dark scenes?
@Erdi Çolpan: We always honestly and transparently report the uniformity issues on our review samples. There is always going to panel-to-panel variation, and these are consumer displays that are mass-produced - the vast majority of owners simply don't see these issues. If the colour tinting is unbearable for you, are you willing to pay at least £10,000 for a totally clean 65-inch C1, because that's the amount of quality control and hardware tolerance needed to make sure every panel is uniform...
@@hdtvtest Thanks for the reply! I don't blame you for anything by the way, you are my go to channel about tvs forever, with the feature set It's still the only tv I'd buy, LG has everything where others lack this or that but the picture quality was a dissappointment for me, also it looks like an issue with anti glare coating instead of panel as in my case tint isn't visible up close (the pixels are showing right colors) Also the new one I got is less noticable in content, but things like solid background or cell shaded games are no go (colors get desaturated on tinted side) I wonder if other manufacturers using oled panels with their coating have this tinting issue?
@@Morfevzi it’s noticable regardless of the lightning, conditions doesn’t affect it at all, it slightly disappears when you look at an angle (it’s weird because you ‘d expect to get this effect when viewing at angle and not when in front of tv but in this case its the opposite) the first tv when viewed at certain angle it was almost invisible while it was much more noticable but whitin a smaller area, with the second tv it never disappears, slightly diminishes but it’s on a larger area, also have a shadowy area in the lower portion of the screen, it’s visible on solid colors but thank god it’s not visible at all on normal content.
@@Morfevzi if you search for lg oled pink tint, there are lots of people with same problem on certain forums etc. for examples of what I’m talking about
I forgot about this channel. He actually uses real life tools to back his claims up... Unlike every other TH-cam channel out there that just reads the specs and uses their eyes then say, it looks good.
Only review you'll ever need. Extremely deep detailed comparison, while also keeping it plain english and understandable for peasants like me. Great work!!
Hopefully you will do some QD-oled comparisons, cause I don't know which the buy... C2 42" or alienware's QD oled :thinking:
15 seconds into the video
"Using my spectral radiometer..."
And THAT is exactly why I wanted to see your review of that TV, thanks :D
Quantum TV: "I got one of those!"
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@@carlmclemore6104 Pulls out iPhone🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@carlmclemore6104 That dude is such a clown lol
@@vaporpunk24 cant believe how many fans he has and people who respect him, maybe they're his alt accounts.
Finally.. Was waiting for a long time for this
Can you please do a head to head with the LG C2 42” vs the Alienware QD-OLED UW in a monitor setting?
No one seems to do this
He planned to do it
@@mimimimimimi2064 that’s exciting! I can’t wait.
Someone did it, it is out there. Can't remember who though 😵
This! I'm debating between these two units as a computer monitor
Is there any indication that LG will re-introduce 120Hz BFI support in a future FW upgrade on the C2 units?
Absolutely no hope for it, because the bfi has to be implemented by lg displays as a part of the the display controller named tcon board.
Even the a90k has only an on/off Option for bfi, and you can bet against all woleds this year, none of them is going to provide a 120hz bfi, because it depends on the tcon board supplied by lg displays.
@@gbhxvohdchigblkh4620 why would LGD gimp it?
@@blitzwing1 nope, the sony a95k has also only an bfi on/ off toggle, that implies the same limitation for the samsung s95b.
Like with lg displays the bfi has to be implemented as a part of the tcon board and if samsung displays' one is also lacking the 120hz bfi, no tv manufacturer can change that.
Nope hardware thing
OK image retention is the same but still it doesn't meant that WBE isn't better in long term. That's the most important thing.
I believe the panel uses less power draw, which means less heat and in theory less burn in risk. Less power draw may also put less strain on internal components and the power supply.
doesn't the wbe seperate the reds and greens better then the wbc? isn't that what the spectroradiometer shows? i thought that was one of the selling points of the wbe over the wbc? i find it funny how on LG's own website its states "LG OLED evo sets a new standard. The next - gen OLED panel has been redesigned to include an extra layer and a stronger emissive material. These optimize the structure of the panel and refining the wavelengths of light. The result is brighter, punchier picture quality and improved clarity of content - its not just the display that's evolved, its your viewing experience." not once in that paragraph did it bring up the processor or any software. all hardware. So where is this new hardware if its using an old panel?
Agree 100 percent. I don't think LG pulling this should be glossed over. I don't care about extra brightness or temporary retention I care about long term durability, especially as a pc monitor.
And no one has tested this long term. And I definitely don't believe the old panel will somehow have the same durability as the new one.
Why does this delay abl change issue come back after years of being already fixed? Freaking LG man
I'm loving my 42" LG C2 OLED. I'm using it primarily for movies and PC gaming and have it sat on my desk. I was previously using a LG 48" C1 but found it to be a little too big for the desk. It was giving me a fair bit of eye fatigue at such a close range and the 48" model also has a stand which sticks out quite a bit behind the TV (around 16cm). With the 42" C2, its legs only stick out 6cm behind the TV so it means the TV itself can be pushed further back on the desk compared to the 48" C1. Picture quality-wise, I find the 42" C2 to be slightly clearer than the 48" with regards to text and small details. This is due to the pixel density of the smaller screen. Overall, the 42" C2 is a much more comfortable viewing experience for desktop usage. My 48" C1 now lives in another room.
If I may ask, how deep is your desk and how far away are you sitting when using it for desktop stuff or PC gaming? Thanks.
Can you confirm your panel name wbc or wbe on the 42 c2. 10x
If you can wall mount the 48", that is really the best way to use it as a monitor. I was about to return my C1 due to eye fatigue too, but decided to try the wall mount first. For me, that was the perfect solution.
@@miroslavatanasov9356 yup its WBC
I would love to know what its like for viewing documents. - I would guess its possible to view a whole Google-Doc / PDF without scrolling? - 60-80 lines - but I wonder how clear text appears. A 27" Apple Thunderbolt has a DPI of 109 - which imo is perfect at arms length. - The LG is 99 - so, it would make sense to put it just beyond arms length. - a 24" 1080p monitor has a DPI of 82, which I think is too low for text based work. Unless there is a sanely priced OLED based productivity monitor released in the next 2 months, I will have to give the C2 a try. - Not ready to pay for a 32EP950 quite yet.
Great review, bit speechless lol. Amount of usable info is insane. Thanks!
Seems like WOLED is pretty much maxed out. Interesting to see what they can do with QD OLED over the next few years.
or QD-MiniLed if they can add more zones
@@brigham1465 gross
@@Jupiters1337 why. It's not super great rn but why wouldn't you want to see what improvements can be made. It has the potential to be significantly brighter than oled without risk of burn in
@@brigham1465 trata true, better algorithm control or the next step microled
@RedJoker take the rog pg32uqx for example. 1152 zones, 1400 nits, 4ms response, and 400,000:1 contrast ratio. If price can go down it's already quite good performance, it's plenty fast too. You don't need millions of zones to appreciate the hdr. Even 3-5k zones would be really good
Can you please do a head to head with the LG C2 42'' vs the Sony a90k 42'' ? You're the best!
A90k is not out yet, and wont be for another 2months. But based on this review it seems worth holding out for, LG fcked up.
A90K doesn't even have a release date yet.
Hopefully we get less posterization for 4K120 HDR on A90K but I'm not holding my breath
@@jonasz6962 sony is not the option for gaming
@@rahb2096 why is that? 2 less hdmi 2.1 ports is not a problem for many.
Had this almost 2 weks now and it is amazing for both Gaming and Working, loving it, I am a Technical Solutions Architect and love my PC gaming and wanted something I could move back more than a monitor so it was not so close to my eyes, definitely does the job :)
which country are you in? I'm having trouble finding a retailer in the US for the 42"
Do you use it all day while at work? how much time do you have it on each day?
Burn risk is low right?
Man LG you make PC monitors already, give us some OLED Pc monitors in 27-38" sizes!!
I plugged in my 3080 PC through HDMI 2.1 into my LG OLEDCX65 in the living room and I haven't unplugged it since.. I just LOVE using it for everything and sit on the sofa with wireless setup
Based on his review I am going to wait for the Sony 42 OLED and see how they compare
@@tazfas best picture quality on the market and even without gaming features people consider Sony TV's to be better than LG, much punchier picture in HDR, overall better quality and motion, and you complaining about chipset xD
@@ThereIsOnlyOneRandom would you recommend the A90K over the C2 42? I'm equal on movie/gaming consumption so want an overall best one
Does the chips even matter as long as the perform the intended base function?
Feel as if all brands TVs still have about as long term support for extra functionality as the average budget smartphone.
@@zesyph_j how can he, when the A90k is not out yet? Sony last to the punch as usual.
@@mojomaster1979 sony is always later than the others. But on the positive side, they have more time to adjust to competition
Hey Vincent! I just got my 42" C2 and outlined the same white uniformity issue in my review as you have. Do you think this is something that will be fixed via software update? I have a feeling this will indeed be a dealbreaker for many - LG knew many would be looking at this panel as a desktop option so it's unacceptable that they have shipped this with such an obvious flaw IMO. Great technical analysis as always!
@Jorge Powell: Doubt this can be fixed by software. We suggest using Dark Mode to mitigate the issue.
@@hdtvtest Thank you both for your reviews. I am also considering the 42" C2 as my main monitor (60% work, 40% gaming (PC & PS5) ). Regarding the uniformity issue, does this only occur on white elements? Or does anything dragged to that part of the screen get a color shift? Say I move a photo to the far right part of the screen, will the colors on that photo be presented differently compared to if the same photo was in the center of the screen? Thanks.
Seems like OLEDs still need to iron out some issues before being easy to recommend to everyone as general-purpose monitors. Right now, it's a trade-off between highs (contrast, color, speed) and lows (non-uniformity, image retention, price). Even QD-OLED has color-fringing due to its unique pixel stricture.
It's a tough decision for PC enthusiasts, especially since there's no massive improvement in sight. Sure you can keep your existing monitor on the same desk for non-content-consumption use, but then its colors (VA) or contrast (IPS) are going to look miserable after returning from the OLED - not to mention desk space constraints. This worries me personally.
@@S3lvah Perhaps we'll just have to wait a while more for a microLED monitor.
@@Uncle_Fred I feel like the wait will be so long that one could justify buying an OLED monitor for the years it will take.
1:38 WBC - WBE, no mentioning of the break through technology of "deuterium to make OLED TVs 30% brighter"
Where is this whole deuterium improvement? Are we just causally not going to talk about that LG?
It's a g2 thing I'm pretty sure.
It was known 42" and 48" wouldn't be any brighter beforehand, it still doesn't justify 42" not being WBE but I assume LG has to sell the 42" WBC panels they were producing for over a year now.
30%? Yeah I doubt that lol
Yes ... LG has a problem of committing and not delivering !
Printing "evo" on the box and claiming this "evo" stands for the use of "deuterium" and "additional layer" panels ... and using "WBC" panels without deuterium and the additional layer then ... is not funny at all.
Can we get a Sony A90K 42” VS LG C2 42” comparison video?
Why was BFI removed in this generation-and is there indication this will be returning? And is this feature on the qd-oled Sony?
BFI 9s on Sony Bravia 2021 OLED so A95K QD OLED TV should also have it.
Is the 24fps smoothing also using BFE? That’s exactly how real film theater projectors did it back in the day… each frame flashed twice via a 48fps shutter. It’d be awesome if they provided a stable SDR 24fps BFE mode via that approach, and call it “classic cinema” or similar.
Wasn't it usually three times on cinema projectors though?
@@AltCutTV not from my research, no. Although technically 48fps+BFI is kinda more like 96fps with the black frames included. There were apparently some drive-in theaters with tri-blade shutters, but indoor theaters all had twin blade shutters:
Frame>Black>Frame>Black>Advance, Repeat.
surprised there wasn't more out rage about LG advertising one thing and selling a different thing. Its false advertising at the end of the day.
what a scam! .. untrustworthy company... thx for being a good reviewer
Thanks for the review Vincent, I hope we can get a comparison between this and the 42" A90k soon.
That was a very thorough review-good job Vincent! LG’s 42” OLED should be well received by game enthusiasts. Even with minor improvements from lasts years models, the addition of a 42” panel and best-in-class gaming features, makes this panel the one to beat.
I have no idea if 120hz BFI is a must-have feature. -
"my eyes are more sensitive than elon musk ego." LMAO, that was awesome
doesn't really matter what the evo stands for it's still misleading unless they actually state what the evo means on the box as at first glance you would assume it's just a smaller one with everything else being identical
I just bought the C2 65 inch and it will be delivered next week. I can’t wait! Over the past 5 years I have only bought TV’s and sound systems that Vincent did reviews on. He is the Wizard when it comes to this stuff. If I go in Best Buy and they try to help me I tell them if their name isn’t Vincent from HDTVTEST then they aren’t qualified to assist me. 😂
People that work at best buy don't know what they be talking about they suck at there job
This TV was delivered to me last week. After switching on, the red diode lights up and when you press the power button it flashes, but the TV does not turn on, the same is true when you try to turn on the TV using the remote control. manufactured 9/2022. I don't understand that they send a non-functioning TV from the factory.
Would like to see how this compares to the Samsung QN90b 43" in terms of using them as a monitor.
No comparison, the local dimming sucks for desktop use, and samsung's implementation of high refresh rate\game mode is buggy dogshit. (have qn90 and c9)
@@1337Hans Thank you for the response. One thing I am curious about is if it's worth the trade offs as my desk is in a room with a lot of windows and light and I hear OLEDS aren't great in high light environments as well as no burn in concerns on the QLED. If mini LED is capable of getting close to oled contrasts, then it might be worth it. I will probably go with the OLED but would like to at least see them side by side before I make a decision.
If you can’t sit in a semi dark room do not get an OLED. Don’t listen to anyone who says otherwise.
@@TheFunVeggie he’s talking nonsense. No ones seen the new QN90B yet. Last years was rubbish as it was only 60Hz so wasn’t really good for gaming or comparable to high end monitors. The new version is 144hz and will have a 10 year screen burn warranty so definitely better than the C2 as a monitor. OLEDs as monitors would be great but they all get screen burn
I have the 50" QN90B and I will be connecting it to my PC and share my experience, it's not the 43" but they both have similar features.
Your reviews are great , very in depth.
Would you maybe do a review of the Sony xk85?
i find that such nonsense even after lg's explanation. all of them should be WBE regardless of whether it makes a difference or not but there is a difference with the spectroradiometer reading. Its like selling someone a 1978 corolla and saying its new tech because it has latest tires and has been tuned up it just doesn't have the newest engine but it doesn't need it cause its tuned up. I mean if its totally ok cause its a combination of some type of software then why are they not just downloading that software into C1's for customers benefit. the primary difference expected in hardware is HARDWARE. they are full of it and that just smells of lemonade.
It is nonsense and a extremely limited short term image retention test isn't enough to dispel possibilities of higher durability.
I don't mind the older WBC panel on the 42" C2. It's just that the $1399 price tag doesn't make sense for what's essentially a C1 performance. A fair MSRP for this "old-performance" TV would be around $999.
No way they are gonna do that before other companies comes up with similar products to compete, if I remember correctly the 42 c2 is the same price as the 48 c2 and tbh they can charge this price simply because they have no competition, there are some other 42in gaming displays but they are either not oled or has some stupid coating, it’s just not as versatile as the c2, so even at this price I guess a lot of people will still be interested including me
Bet you they'll drop the price within 3 months.
@@changliu7346 Sony is going to have one very soon too!
You're not paying for the added performance, you're paying for the reduced size (as illogical as it may seem).
The good news is, in a few months you'll be able to get it for that much, and then later again in November, and finally Q1 2023. It's never smart to buy these TVs right as soon as they launch if you're hung up on price, because they *always* drop in price only a few months later.
Another review showed the c2s having more centralized vesa mounting holes as well.. I'm actually pretty interested in this now as I'd like to leave my wall mount where it is vs having to move it down for a c1
Sure if that's worth $400 to you
@@mattb6646 well, I'm not in a rush so by end of the year it may be worthwhile. Also wanting to see if the screen flexes less as I'm uncomfortable with how thin there too portions of the screens are.
@@dangoodall1253 I heard there should be other oleds releasing later this year too so perhaps there will be more options and compition by then.. as for the thinness that seems to be a selling point so I'm not sure if you'll find any much thicker. I dont own an oled yet I'm also investigating, so I can't speak to their rigidity, havnt heard any stories of them getting bend or snapped though so I can't imagine it's too much of an issue
Nice Video, I Desperately like to see comparison between Samsung qn90b vs Samsung qn90a vs Samsung q90T Side by Side, Peak Brightness & Contrast too
I wonder how exactly the new "built in" aspect ratios work. Would love get a deep dive video on that new feature.
Found this video on that subject. Seems to work great. th-cam.com/video/pjoiTYlbp4s/w-d-xo.html
Simple, It'll run 3840x1600 in 21:9 and 3840x1080 in 32:9 mode and report as such to the GPU. This way you don't need forced resolutions and play around with scaling options. Still, i don't see a reason to not use big parts of the screen. Imo letterboxing doesn't offer anything in terms of immersion. And that's coming from an ultrawide owner.
It’s TV review season boys!!!!
Unfortunately for that TV, it has achieved lowest brightness of 182cd/m2 at 100% window size and 187cd/m2 at 10% window size. I checked through rtings. Thats in PC mode. The monitor I got is 32gp850 and it can achieved 400+ cd/m2 both SDR and HDR when connected to PC. So I rather stay away from this if you plan to plug into PC. But if you plug PS5 to that LG it will improve brightness back up to 343 cd/m2 at 10% size in expert mode dark room with peak brightness on high. Still it is puzzling me why in PC mode it shows much darker result in cd/m2 than in other mode.
The 32gp850 is a completely different type of panel so it is not really much of a comparison. IPS displays are naturally brighter than OLED
@@ravic1754 OLED has lag behind brightness at 100% windows size for many years with very slow improvements. Can't do much about it.
Thanks Vincent!
Vincent is the man. Love his reviews.
The left side LED back light died on my 43" Samsung Q60R so now I have a tv with a half lit screen, I was gaming on it when I noticed the left side of the screen got dark. I was thinking about fixing my tv but the LG C2 has my interest and some research seems to suggest that OLED tv's may have a little more longevity. I'm going to place a order for the LG C2 42", hopefully I'll get a lot longer use out of it than my Samsung.
would be so cool if they made a 32inch version so we could use as a monitor
They could make a 34 inch ultrawide version with curve
i know that alienware already have one
but the price is double c2 42inch in my crountry
So that is what is happening to my new C2 42 WBE. VRR flicker. Really annoying xD
The WBC and WBE distinction doesn't necessarily matter when you're talking about temporary image retention. Where it matters is the long term durability of a set and its ability to stave of permanent burn in; deuterium based WBE "Evo" panels are theoretically more resistant in this regard than WBC panels.
I like your stuff Vincent, but honestly, it feels like you let LG off the hook way too easily here. Bit disappointed in you to be honest.
@SteadyChaos Productions: Unless you have hard data to prove that WBC is not up to task, we'll have to take the word of LG who have actually done accelerated testing themselves. After all, all OLED TVs over the past few years have been using WBC OLED panels, and we haven't seen an increase in reports of permanent burn-in, have we?
We present all the data as is without sugarcoating so that potential buyers can make an informed decision. Without our objective testing, you wouldn't even know that most 42-inch C2 OLEDs today are using a WBC panel. Our conscience is perfectly clear despite your disappointment.
@@hdtvtest Not looking to get in a back and forth here, but do you really think showing a ten second clip of some image retention fading is somehow proof WBC is just as reliable as WBE and deuterium based panels? I'm just not sure its useful - that's all.
My qualm with LG is they put "Evo" on the C2 box - all of them.
This is how LG defines their EVO TVs: "Experience television as never before. The ...OLED evo TV [is] our best OLED TV yet. Your viewing experience has evolved with brighter, punchier picture quality and improved clarity thanks to the next-gen OLED panel. An extra layer and stronger emissive material optimizes the structure to increase efficiency by refining the light wavelengths."
The problem is, with a standard WBC C2, there are no increased efficiencies or refined wavelengths - as LG is not using the "stronger emissive material" (Deuterium) - just standard hydrogen instead.
See this excerpt from Chemical & Engineering News - they interviewed a technical fellow (Norman Herron) who develops OLED displays using hydrogen and deuterium based compounds:
"Lifetime, Herron explains, is a top consideration for OLED materials. Every pixel in an OLED display is made up of about eight materials stacked in emissive and charge-transport layers. The deterioration of just one of these materials can cause image-sticking problems, ruining the entire display. “What we ultimately do is make sure that we address the weakest material, or the slowest dog on the team, and make sure that it comes up to speed,” Herron says. For LG’s OLED.EX technology, DuPont deuterated an existing molecule used to carry electrons in the blue-emissive substack. DuPont won’t say what the molecule is other than to classify it as a polyfused aromatic compound. A big synthetic challenge for the DuPont team, which has been working on deuterated OLED compounds for 15 years, was replacing hydrogen with deuterium while maintaining high purity. There are multiple carbon-hydrogen bonds in that molecule, and we are substituting some of them but not all of them,” Herron says. “And the net effect is we apparently increased the lifetime. So we must be addressing some of the weaker carbon-hydrogen bonds that were leading to the degradation behavior.”
To me, LG is simply being deceptive. They got caught. They claim their EVO uses a specific compound giving it improved brightness and efficiency. But, the 42/48" C2 lacks said compound, despite being marketed as such. And, based on the science, deuterium allows OLED panels to be driven, on average, about 30% harder while maintaining the same life expectancy. Therefore, it goes without saying if one were to use deuterium with standard OLED level brightness - say 750 nits - life expectancy would be greatly improved compared to conventional hydrogen based panel.
@@steadychaosproductions3376
100% agreed with what you said there.
@@steadychaosproductions3376 Thanks a lot for this insight ... I was already aware of the issue and am 100% sharing your concerns. But now ... with your research results ... it's even clearer plus of more official character.
Nevertheless I am extremely glad Vincent is doing these measurements (not the image retention thing tho^^) ... allowing us to be as careful as it is appropriate to not get duped.
Thanks again !
@SteadyChaos Productions: You're not looking to get into a back and forth, yet wrote a thesis full of flaws.
You have to understand that fundamentally, LG Electronics (the TV maker) and LG Display (the panel maker) are different entities. LG Electronics (the TV maker) who came up with the "EVO" branding never admitted to deuterium use. The deuterium component is only promoted by LG Display (the panel maker).
So if you read the EVO definition you've quoted yourself: "An extra layer and stronger emissive material optimizes the structure to increase efficiency by refining the light wavelengths." - it could simply mean optimisation of the existing WBC panel. And you can't say that there's no optimisation, because until this year, there hasn't been a WBC 42-inch panel with the higher pixels per inch (PPI) yet roughly the same peak brightness of 700 nits - hence "increased efficiency".
Bottom line is, we have honestly and transparently reported the WBC panel on our 42-inch LG C2, so that consumers can make an informed decision. If you *REALLY* think you have a case against LG for false advertising, put your money where your mouth is and start a class-action lawsuit against them, and you'll quickly see how far your presumptions will go in court. Good luck.
@5:25 Hi Vincent, what is BFI 120Hz typically used for?
Improves motion clarity since it reduces “persistence blur” - effectively blur caused by holding a frame on-screen for its duration. Designed to replace backlight strobing in LCDs and natural CRT flicker
Can't wait for the review of the Sony 42"
should i take the 48 inch or 42 inch for gaming and video watching...is 48 inch better in brightness and color accuracy...is 42 inch also equal to 48 inch or less bright or less color accurate.. etc
LG C9 owner here and it's still my "main" tv and no burn in just like you mentioned in this review.
Even with that official statement, this is misleading advertisement at best, fraud at worst. And I bet in some countries with proper customer protection, the latter would be the outcome of any disputes.
Great review but would love to see a section on actual use as a monitor for daily driving for work etc
What do you recommend buying, 42" C2 or 48" C2? The size is not an issue for me, but I want the best picture. So which one should I go to?
I bought the 42" C2 two days ago and verified through the service menu that it does have the newer WBE panel (08/00/1/13).
How do you access the service menu with the remote or is other way? Can’t figure it out. Thx just bought mine a few days ago.
@@fabcol1888 I also could not with the remote that came with the TV. I bought a service remote from Amazon for $7.50. MKJ39170828 Replacement Service Remote. Works perfect!
@@VetSemperFi awesome thx
Thanks for the review! Glad to see the 42" is living up to the hype :)
You are a very truthful honest person , who is very descriptive and easy to understand 😀 ur way of explanation is 1 of the greatest u are a good guy with very nice easy way of understanding tvs and the differences great guy u are , great channel, and obviously yes I subscribed please continue ur work it helps me alot .
Bought mine 1 week ago (42") and it came with a WBE panel (08/00/1/03) manufactured on 08/2022. So all happy :D
Thumbnail wtf 😂
Hi , I plan to buy this tv on the next two weeks. Can you make a video about the calibration and image settings for the ps5 and Xbox series X ? I gonna use it just for gaming . Thanks 🙏
If WBC vs WBE offers no different results in testing, then what is the actual difference?
Panel longevity
On larger displays of 55" plus, it offers higher peak brightness and supposed longevity.
The 42 inch
The amount of people I saw cancelling orders due to this and crying about how bad it was, To only be told the older panel is better due to less pink tint at angles is hilarious.
@@Noble3781 you must have seen so many people do that and it must have been really funny
I hope you do a recommended XSX and PS5 settings video for the LG C2 42”.
No 120BFI? Why LG why?
Ughhh… Why can’t they release a 32” panel so I can use it as a desktop/gaming monitor???
Still to big, we want a 32inch so its a good size for our computers.
LGs answer is weasel wording in my mind. I don't believe the durability is the same until these things get tested long term.
I bought my C2 42" 3 days ago… can confirm from the service menu that I have the WBE panel (Module Info 2 - 08/00/01/03). Funnily enough, it doesnt have the pink tint, it’s more blue-ish.
Edit: I also have the same uniformity issue seen at 6:22, where the left side of the panel appears more cooler than the right side. Particulary noticable on the low left on my C2.
So my 42 inch C2 will be ok with burn in?
I'm little nervous with the pinkish tint that was also found on the bigger G2 by AV Forums. They said u can see it a bit on white screen like the Revelant snow scenes .
Thanks as always Vincent for your hard and honest work.
No, they clearly said it’s noticeable when viewed from the SIDE, and not noticeable in average viewing
@@jayroman3384 actually what he" clearly" states is at 100% window noticeable to some viewer a slight pink/mangeta tint...some viewer may notice this on the SIDE of the panel .
Something not overly noticeable when watching content. Something more moticeable if you are watching it from the side.
That's at least what I'm getting from the two of them ,that's it noticeable enough . Avforums n Vincent saw it.
Reminds me of Sony tvs with their slightly darken corners .
@@camarykaren you just proved both of us right with your response. It’s more noticeable from the side. You have to remember they are actively looking for deficiencies in the panel for review purposes. It’s not something thats going to be noticeable to the average viewer.
@@jayroman3384 I agree 100%. I'll have to take a BB run n see what I see or hopefully, don't see with their non calibrated tv.
You need this man before Buy TV/Monitor.
Has LG given any explanation as to why BFI is gone? It feels like they only removed it from the C2 to keep their new TVs from being 'too perfect' to keep the market open for the future models.
Whatg models had that? DId the C1 have it?
BFI isn't gone! Not on the C1 at least. If you're referring to this with a PS5 then it's Sony's latest firmware that introduced ALLM with no trigger to turn on/off! You can test this with a PS4/Xbox/PC etc etc and see what I mean! BFI is still there, make sure all A.I services are disabled maybe? Good luck 👍
@@SSNebula I think he meant that it's gone on C2 models.
@@23Kite CX and C1 have 120Hz BFI.
My guess would be that they saw how few people actually use it and decided that it's not worth investing too much time into. They have the telemetery data to make such decisions. Still, it's possible it will be added via later firmware updates. LG is known to expand on software features throughout their TV's lifespan.
Top class review on as is basis . Methodology of testing is undisputable. TRUE professional. However, is the old panel in c2 a good option or wait for 2023 release of 42C3? Hopefully with new panel.
New C2 42’s are now using the newer WBE “EX” panel. The C3’s won’t be getting the new MLA panel next year that’s limited to 55, 65, and 77 G3’s
"My eyes are more sensitive than Elon Musk's ego." lol
Love your videos, keep it up :)
Excellent review, many thanks. You technical knowledge is excellent and most appreciated. I'm primarily interested in using this monitor for Adobe Pr 2022 editing/grading of HDR content ... my other TV/monitors are the LG C9 OLED and older Sony A1E OLED ... the C9 is exceptional ... do you have an opinion on how the C2 would compare to the C9?
If I can't calibrate my LG C2 colors can I copy someone else's settings or do I leave it at default?
I can understand gamers wanting a smaller screen and better ppi for a monitor, but it’s $1,400 with a WBC panel…and currently the 48” C1 is $999 with a WBE panel, which is great deal
Yeah I noticed that. Seems like Its the classic case of ripping off the gaming comunity to me. I was really looking forward to the 42" for this purpose but like you say charging more for a smaller older panel im not OK with this 👎
Gamers want a smaller screen and manufacturers know it hence the price hike. Come on man its not rocket science.
@@oooo1110 These companies are making record profits. Charging people £1400 for a 42" screen is just rediculous! I think I'll wait to see what else comes out from other manufacturers or maybe just wait for the C3 next year. Maybe that one will be more reasonably priced and actually have an up to date panel.
I originally wanted the 42", but I saved the money instead & really don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. Especially since I've got the WBE panel & don't view it off angle so there's no downside as far as I can see it.
Smaller panels are lower volume products due to average demand. Same as much bigger ones are. So the sweet spot for most area value probably is around 55" still.
Noticed this on the hunt for a 48 recently.
My unit was manufactured in july and I'm pretty sure I got a WBC panel. Not a dealbreaker, but I was expecting to see the newer one
Waiting for that 42” C2 vs 34” Alienware Ultrawide comparison. Interested to see which one works best strictly for PC gaming. I currently have 65” C1 I use for movies and console gaming. Need something for the desk for M/KB that has amazing HDR. 😁
Ordered the Alienware but it is not shipping till June so I have plenty of time to cancel if the 42” LG is better.
Hardware Unboxed has made a great review that might be helpful in the meantime
I'm betting it's the alienware.
Yes its between those 2 monitors for me aswell.
I have a Alienware ordered but im still torn.
Would be nice if @HDTVTest could give some insight
@@tevlar well we already know this uses the older panel, plus no 3 year burn in warranty. I'm waiting on a non ultra wide though.
Id love to see this as well. I asked someone at Best Buy and they said LG but of course it’s biased response as they don’t sell Alienware nor seen it. I’m torn and waiting for more head to head reviews before buying anything
i don't get it, you stated as great color reproduction yet i see bad colors. that should not look like they should. snow look strange, green/ bluish tint and so on. i wonder what' happened.
Please ask them about 120hz BFI
What about the 55inch can’t find the info anywhere? Stuck between 48 or 55 and really could do without the 55 but I don’t really want to buy a c2 48 that’s apparently basically the c1
I wonder if the bigger TV is drawing more or less power with the different panel despite the size difference ?
Very good question
I need a 32-inch 4K QD-OLED monitor. Whoever makes that first gets my money.
For the price will get the LG c1
Why I can't use multi screen view with TV and gaming or PC ! It's only allow multi screen view with mobile share only ?
How can this TV do so well in the colour checker test when it has uneven screen tinting at 6:34? Surely that would affect the overall colour accuracy?
@wat: Calibration and validation of consumer TVs are only performed on one spot at the centre of the screen, since the calibration controls don't allow for adjustments to separate areas of the screen.
I like this chap. Bravo on all his work. Great sense of humour too.
I'll have to have a think about how much of pain the lack of 120hz Black frame insertion would be. I'm glad he told us this though as There are some TV that have a similar issue with the Black Frame insertion implementation where that information is really hard to locate.
I would like it if Vincent would do a video sometimes about user nterface function by manufacturer as no one ever bothers to mention things like picture in picture options - which can vary a lot - but they never get a mention.
Sound modes is something else that rarely gets a mention either... and considering how some old games machines use to run with big black bars screen adjust is an issue too. none of that ever gets mentioned much. Screen position adjust is another one that is handy to have as well but again doesn't ever get mentioned - so you are left guessing or having to go look up he PDF of the manuals for every TV and hope they mention things and don't try to hide things (i am looking at you Samsung and Sony)
Hello! Everyone on reddit and youtube says that WBC panels are the older ones that came with the C1 and dont have the oled.ex technology (deuterium)
I did noit know about VRR flicker. I thought it was my computer output, Windows, GPU drivers etc when I saw the screen flickering on game menus. I will test thee option in game optimizer to see if it helps. Thanks for the heads up Vincent. Would you say the frame judder on 24 fps movies is significantly better on the C2 than the C1?
I had the same problem with the 48" C1. I fixed it by moving the HDMI cable to a different port on the TV. You might be able to fix your problem the same way
I have it on my LG Oled like he's saying in the static displays, but on my AOC monitor I had it in many games, but that was because it didn't have g-sync module I believe
Vincent, can you tell me if the Samsung S95B will have BFI?
- No 120 Hz BFI
- Yellow blob color tinting
- Still gamma problems with VRR
LG messed up... 120 Hz BFI was a major selling point for me. Why would they remove that? Will it return in a firmware upgrade?
13:22 Mentions gamma problems with VRR
@@princeton8324 I don't know how I missed that, edited my comment. Thanks.
13:23 he mentions VRR Gammashift and Flickering
What is 120HZ BFI used for ?
@@CH-bn7qb It improves motion clarity vs what you will find on other flat panel displays.
I hope the 55'' C2 & G2 have the same out of box calibration accuracy.
@9:12 does that only happen with DTM off, or happens all the time? Because that looks super annoying
"But my eyes are more sensitive than Elon Musk's ego"
I actually choked on my food as I was eating when I heard that joke.
Does Calman have this model as one of the choices for calibrating or did you use a "substitute" profile? If so which one?
I am using BFI on my cx55 at 120fps and image looks crystal clear. At 60fps it's flickering, so only case it can be used is 120fps
just have it for days, it is the NO BRAINER for GAMER. some says C1 48 inch is better but there is supply issue so only limited availability even logically much more budgets. agreed it is not the best overall . 48 inch C2 is also super limited that needed to pre-order for weeks *atleast in my cities maybe.
I got the 48" C1 last week for a few hundred dollars cheaper than this and have no regrets :)
Lucky
Cool Story Bro…
@@renesandoval1454 true story
This transition issue really has bugged me on my good old 55" B7 ... definitely more in DV than HDR10(+), but yeah. This genuinely puts me off watching in DV, as (in my dumb head) I can usually rely on HDR10 (not 10+) to just keep the same luminance/brightness/whatevs throughout ...
It would be really nice if you could ask LG if they intend to return 120hz BFI to the C2 in an update. I know its a niche feature due to the low brightness but its honestly the feature I have the highest hopes for, if it were 50% brighter I would forgo HDR in games altogether for the motion clarity.
9:14 - I also noticed these jarring transitions on the C1. It can be really frustrating seeing the panel flex its high brightness capability before backing off. According to RTings ABL figures for the C1 are much higher than the 55" panels, I'm guessing most of the people saying they don't notice dynamic brightness changes are at 55" and above.
should I worry about uniformity in a pure gaming perspective? Additionally is this panel bright enough for a moderately lit environment or should I look for an LED panel instead if I am not in a completely dark environment?
no, the tinting isnt isolated to your panel vincent. even last years panels have that "defect" on the coating, watched your videos before buying an 65" C1 since you look like know what you are doing and recommeding it as best tv to buy for gaming, all the underlying features are nice but the most important thing is picture quality and my first one had some on the right side and it was too noticable left 5% of the screen was simply red, lg refused to replace it but fortunately it had an earc issue too and it got replaced with another c1 that has half the screen pink tinted but not that much noticable. so first tv: %5 heavy pink tint, second one: 50% milder pink tint. It's unbearable, maybe it's just me being a graphic designer and having an eye for things like these. But these tvs never should have left the factory in this condition this is very anti-consumer behaviour, selling these tvs with manufacturing defects and not replacing them, please investigate this topic and use caution when recommending lg oleds. Also C1 goes bonkers on some content with low light, crushed gradients and very noticable bands everywhere, whats the point in deep blacks when its unwatchable mostly on dark scenes?
@Erdi Çolpan: We always honestly and transparently report the uniformity issues on our review samples. There is always going to panel-to-panel variation, and these are consumer displays that are mass-produced - the vast majority of owners simply don't see these issues. If the colour tinting is unbearable for you, are you willing to pay at least £10,000 for a totally clean 65-inch C1, because that's the amount of quality control and hardware tolerance needed to make sure every panel is uniform...
@@hdtvtest Thanks for the reply! I don't blame you for anything by the way, you are my go to channel about tvs forever, with the feature set It's still the only tv I'd buy, LG has everything where others lack this or that but the picture quality was a dissappointment for me, also it looks like an issue with anti glare coating instead of panel as in my case tint isn't visible up close (the pixels are showing right colors) Also the new one I got is less noticable in content, but things like solid background or cell shaded games are no go (colors get desaturated on tinted side) I wonder if other manufacturers using oled panels with their coating have this tinting issue?
@@colpanerdi Is tinting still noticeable within a dark room?
@@Morfevzi it’s noticable regardless of the lightning, conditions doesn’t affect it at all, it slightly disappears when you look at an angle (it’s weird because you ‘d expect to get this effect when viewing at angle and not when in front of tv but in this case its the opposite) the first tv when viewed at certain angle it was almost invisible while it was much more noticable but whitin a smaller area, with the second tv it never disappears, slightly diminishes but it’s on a larger area, also have a shadowy area in the lower portion of the screen, it’s visible on solid colors but thank god it’s not visible at all on normal content.
@@Morfevzi if you search for lg oled pink tint, there are lots of people with same problem on certain forums etc. for examples of what I’m talking about