Robert Byrne vs. Bobby Fischer | 1964 U.S. Champs - GM Ben Finegold
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- Grandmaster Ben Finegold lectures on the "second most-famous Byrne vs. Fischer game." Fischer intentionally isolates a pawn to increase his piece activity in the middlegame.
2015.12.29
Robert Eugene Byrne vs Robert James Fischer, US Championship (1963/64): E60 King's Indian, 3.g3
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I'm a beginner but every time I watch Finegold's lecture, I win the next game I play online lol
Ryder Sonthestorm I'm rated 1200
Finegold for president....of Earth
5 years later, how’s your chess journey coming along Ryder?
I just came here to check if OP has become World Chess Champion thanks to the continuation of the original pattern.
You know you're so nerd when they upload a new Finegold's video and you feel a big joy
Nerd is good
My favourite Fischer game, commentated by my favourite GM commentator!
Fischer writes in his notes on the game--
"And White resigns. Fischer writes: "A bitter disappointment. I'd hoped for 22.Qf2 Qh3+ 23.Kg1 Re1+!! 24.Rxe1 Bxd4 with mate to follow shortly.""
Rizky Satya well mental illness had something to do with it. Bobby Fischer was severely paranoid by the end of his career and was ultimately his downfall as we know
ben finegold....the only one to combine 4 things that has never been combined.. chess/lesson/humor/politics
Love Big Ben's lectures, and this one delivers a surprising amount of content too!
“Kasparov gave him a left hook, right cross...”
*throws left cross & right hook*
huh, check again
all you guys are mad about about politics, but please realise that poor Ben just saw a wordplay and couldn't help himself
I love Ben!! Even 3 years and a half years later, Ben is the best at being an entertaining and a teacher.
I think Ben was a cat in his last life, especially when he says "niaow"... :)
LOL
Kyerean
Feel the bern!
dont you just love ben
Probably Ben's most epic lecture.
Good explanation of the game. Thanks for posting.
Finegold is a treasure.
love the interspersed dad jokes throughout this
Krogius today (2020) IS still alive, he IS 90 years old. In 1967 he was the 18 of the world.
RIP Krogius
Finegold is just amazing.
That was beautiful. Bobby makes it look so easy.
+Daggerfall40 Bobby's opponents make it look so easy. ;)
+Jimmy Lundberg, not true, Fischer won against all the best players of his day.
+Jimmy Lundberg glad we have kasparov here guys
It was a joke, you can move on with your lives. thx
Ben, your commentary inspired me to join local chess club! Would you please do a video on how to not get forked by knights?
Be always aware of the squares they can jump into. Try to use pawns to defends those squares. Not much science
+p1nesap Put your pieces on different color than your opponents knights..
+kjr63 ah I see what you mean: have pieces on different color than knight's *before* the knight moves (it's different color *after* knight moves...). Thanks for tip.
Feel the Byrne's. Nice games.
Ben - This vid is off the charts great! Enjoyed it very much. Thanks to St Louis Chess Club as well.
great lecture. also played through finegold fischer, ronald almost got the draw there pretty even until the endgame, but bobby well what can you say, great technique.
Does anyone know why did Ben delete his youtube account and if there's any way to get his videos back? :S
He was too intelligent and funny for a YT where watching ten year olds play Minecraft constitutes the majority of relevant traffic.
+Sergi any luck locating anything else from Ben? Videos interviews?
Aliaksandr Melnikau I believe he's on something of a haitus. I recall him stating something to the effect of that he'll be occupied with other pursuits for the next few months. If nothing else, he's moved out of state for the time being.
I loveFinegold. But where is Yasser?
The only other place I have heard the use of "burn" in similar manner was that 70's show (although Ben's use was more sophisticated). Is that expression not popular in English language anymore?
It's "feel the Bern," which is a spin off Bernie Sanders' name. It's a common catchphrase for Bernie supporters, especial the millennial crowd. The original phrase "feel the burn" used to be more popular, although I don't know its date of origination or popularity in recent years.
+Draevon May I wasn't aware of that one, thx for the explanation
+Draevon May Also, you could spell it "feel the Byrne", which adds another layer to the joke.
+TheMovization I was implying to the relation between the last name of the player in the game and that, but wasn't aware of that senator. That is what I meant when I said sophisticated,:) Only I felt a burn once it was explained to me that it was about Mr. Sanders (Haven't heard about him before) :)
i hope some body answer: what is the name of the program or app that he use? and is there a free version of it
Charlie Baghdy chessbase
Amazing Bobby!.He made the game of chess so popular.
feel the byrne
In the resigned position, what would happen if either knight went to e2 so that the king could get behind it on the e file after the Queen to h3 check?
Super late, but my engine says after Nce2 Qh3+ Ke1 Qxh2 that knight is doomed, and Nde2 is the same but Qg2 instead of Qxh2. Basically that knight gets piled up on and things get ugly fast in both instances
Feel the Bern
i already suspected that i would agree with ben's political views. now i am sure. great guy!
i remember his comment on nigel short being upset by thatcher's resignation. finegold said "some people like evil, what are you gonna do?"
You really shouldn't think someone is great / bad for agreeing / not agreeing with your political views. Let's focus on economy for a second. People who study economies their entire lives, getting a Ph.D. on the topic, disagree with each other. It's incredibly naïve when someone who hasn't even read a casual book on the topic feels so strongly about it, and in a modern, specialized society, most people, in fact, don't have time to be doing that research. Imagine a world where everyone posted about theoretical physics on their Facebook page and ridiculously name called people for believing in the "wrong" interpretation of quantum mechanics. It really is equally insane how many people treat politics.
@@AG-ld6rv You really shouldn't be telling other people how is it allowed or not to appreciate one another.
@@pintomed Why? By your logic, no one is allowed to comprehend what other people are doing. You're radiating unimpressive "only God can judge me" vibes that drunken teenagers have. Grow up. You can and should judge people for what they do, and the way you view politics is tribal and idiotic.
7:30 pawn b4 (white) ?
How long do they have to play I play ten minutes and I struggle to have time to think of moves
craftboy dumbass they had several hours each. In real chess the lowest time you will have for a serious tournament is 90 minutes.
Official fide time for tournament chess is 90min+30. If i'm not mistaken it was even longer in Fischer's era tho.
I'm still learning but I don't understand why white resigned. What about a knight move??? My preferred knight c3-e2 or a sacrifice knight d4-f3
If you plug the position into an engine, it finds a forced checkmate in 15 moves. While a human might not be able to find a mate in 15 like that one, humans are quick to notice the elements of the position that indicate a mate is in the air. The king has no defensive pieces around it while black has many pieces in the attack.
at 20:09 can somebody explain why the A3 bishop is not impressive but the g7 bishop is? They seem similar in regards to activity. Thanks.
+Ibakecookiess They are both directed into opponent's territory, but you can notice, that white's bishop has no targets. It attacks absolutely nothing, while the g7 Bishop is pressuring 2 knights and a rook, pinning everything. Just look at the variations after the sacrifice, it picks up a lot of material in many lines. The diffrence is really incredible.
As GM Finegold explains in the video, a good piece from white's perspective at that moment is one that defends the king since king safety is so bad. All the pieces far away from the king can't help defend against a mating attack. On the other hand, a good piece from black's perspective is an attacking piece that either helps checkmate the king or win large amounts of material. The g7 bishop is lined up with three of white's pieces, and in various variations (some of which he shows), that bishop comes into play to secure a material advantage that leads to a clearly winning position for black.
In the final position, what about G4 followed by queen G2 to prevent queen H3?
Wow you could've been the US champion then huh?
Not a bad idea, sacrificing a queen for a monster bishop.
I just realised who this guy reminds me of it's Joe Pesci in Lethal weapon especially when he says "ok"
19:32 what about Bxe2?
Seems like Fischer is winning a piece?
I´m missing something ofc, can someone point out the obvious? :P
+Maximalus There is that line 1... Bxe2 2. Nxe2 Bxa1 3. Rxa1 and here, if you count the material, Fischer has a rook and two pawns for two pieces, so he is only a pawn up(remember he sacrificed his knight earlier on f2) It's not worth giving up that monster bishop to regain the material, his attack is overwhelming after d4!
Wow cX He said donald trump fully uncensored
what chess software do they use?
Chessbase.
Who is this 'burn'?
Feel the Byrne
This is the game where the commentators thought that Fischer had resigned and not Byrne?
If you go to CreditKarma.com you'll see why. Classic Finegold.
W😯W！Ben is awwsum
how many jokes did he fit into the first 10 seconds of lecture?
Funny, I've always thought of this one as the most famous (and best). vs. D. Byrne sounds cool ("Queen sac"!) but it didn't really take that much imagination to play. The final position in this game, and the ones leading up to it, are the most amazing positions. I sympathize with the gallery for not seeing what was going on. Black's knights seem to be making dubious captures, then Black has no piece past the 2nd rank...and White resigns!
Among historical games, Saemisch-Nimzowitsch (final) and Rotlewi-Rubenstein (prior to ...Rxc3) are the only positions I can think of where the evaluation defies the appearance so dramatically.
Ben is a Bernie supporter. Just when I thought he couldn't get any more awesome.
Right
Feel the Byrne
Probably likes Bernie because he reminds him of when he was wild and crazy...
Ayeee thats what i said!
You mean, when he couldn't lose anymore?
The reason Finegold was out of screen yesterday was because he was waving blood red flags together with Castro, Maduro and Jong-un yesterday on May 1st. To honor his idols Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol-Pot.
Fischer won the tournament 11-0 but this game was played in the third round.
A very great game from a very great genious !
They should get Ben to write episodes of The Simpsons, the show would be hilarious again. For the first time since 1996.
This guy
Check out Levar Kizer on TH-cam (chess master rap) produced by Kizer Soze
22. Kg1 is the only move in which white will not be crushed.
Nb5 according to stockfish 6 draws...Premature resignation it seems..It sat at -(0.55) for like 20 moves which means a draw according to the engine..So their assessment was indeed correct Mr. Ben.
Which Knight?
I would have to run it through again....If you reach the position on your engine it should find it.
Whatever rook Byrne moved someone would say Wrong Rook.
but Fischer wrote in his book that he liked white's play if moving the other rook
16:10 LMAO
16:10 LMFAO
Finegold is a Bernie fan?!?!?! Finegold just got 10X cooler.
Im an 1800 player and once had a hard fought draw with Bens Father, Ron Finegold who was a Master who played once or twice with Bobby Fischer.....I had Ron Finegold on the ropes in our game but he squirmed out with a perpetual check draw.
ben we love your videos and all, but the ginger gm is coming, hes throwing harry up the board and hes b00m'in all over the place. cant wait to see you guys have it out! thanks for doing this!
How can "I'm a big Bernie Sanders fan" make so many people angry? Is it really that hurtful to see people you admire being in a different point in the political compass? If so I really hope your only interests are edgy memes, racism and conspiracy theories.
Don't forget incel ideology, "The Game" esque pickup "artistry," MGTOW babytalk and general misogyny
@OTKUGO Ya you're a complete moron, thanks for clearing that up. The irony of you calling anyone else unhinged after making that post is hilarious.
I’ll give a free economics lesson to anyone who supports Bernie Sanders.
8:45 another pearl of wisdom from Grand Master Finegold: "I've noticed the lower rated you are, the more dogmatic you are, because you have little knowledge and the one thing you do know you say it over and over again." aka The Donald Trump Syndrome. Keep them coming Ben.
Silly, yet brilliant ...
The political comments are now both funny and sad. Sigh.
@Daniel Burke As a Bernie fan, I agree with you
Fischer was not black. Fischer was a Jew.
Everett Schulte he ran the media
Don't tell Fischer that. He might smash your face into his signed copy of Mein Kampf.
@@jerrygu5316 Fischer didn't like Hitler tho and made it clear in one of his letters.
@@tellahsage6477nobody is perfect
23:05 he means white is winning
i never read the book because the books probably nonsense
A Danish girl played this opening
28 min, horrible
+cyxFrag Terrible!
+Hasna Cristian very suspicious.
8:51 is mr retreat like a Frenchmen, never play f3, c4 is explosive, always play bishop f1 really criticizing others for repeating the same thing over and over again.
Keep politics out of chess.
lost me on "Bernie Sanders Fan"
I think Ben Finegold is a redditor
You can't stump the trump
Kasparov said that being good at chess is NOT a sign of general intelligence. Finegold, being a Bernie supporter, proves Kasparov right.
If Ben supported Trump then that would make him more intelligent than supporting Bernie? Or is the most intelligent thing to do to support no one and instead dig a hole in your garden and stick your head in it until the world ends?
from everything, actually.
@Daniel Burke hardly.
@@6105boe what is an alt left
With that statement he is directly challenginging the legitimacy of that statement itself. Now this is leading to a paradox lol.
Here was I expecting some classical poetry
Terrible!
Nice lecture-nice game. Could do without the political opinion stuff - I watch chess videos to get away from that nonsense. But thanks for the vid!
Ben always runs the same jokes. He has a video from like 2014 doing the Trump joke. This one is before the primaries had even begun, before Trump was even considered a relevant primary candidate even. It's not politically motivated.
We want to hear about chess, not your political views.
+bad.m1notaur free speech..how much are you paying him for his videos anyway?
bad.m1notaur it pays them pittens per video..you need to get millions of views before you even start making decent money off youtube ads.
I understand that I didn't pay him to watch his video. I assume, however, since they left the comment section on that they invite comments. I tuned in because I was interested in what GM Finegold had to say about this famous game and was treated to his political beliefs before he got to the actual lecture. I find that distasteful and exercised my free speech to say so. I just find it kind of amusing that you try to curtail my right to free speech by arguing that he has the right to free speech. lol
+bad.m1notaur where did I ever tell you that you can't say anything about it. I was just countering your argument.
vetiarvind you inferred that I should refrain from saying what I said because I didn't pay him.
I gave you a thumbs down. What does Donald Trump and what he knows or doesn’t know have to do with the subject matter? Although you or your father were chess masters, politicizing chess is quite dumb!
I used to enjoy these lectures, but all his political "jokes" are driving me nuts. I'm outta here.
+zombitroid84 "all" lol
Cya!
Tbh you're right. He's alienating half his potential audience by infusing his chess lectures with politics. I'd be happy to watch a video about his politics, but all he does in his lectures is spouting some nonsensical oneliners. Frustrating, because otherwise he's a great speaker and genuinely funny sometimes.
I seriously doubt half the people watching chess videos are trump supporters considering a low IQ correlates with being conservative and chess is a thinking man's game.
journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797611421206
Besides, if you are going to not watch hour long videos because of a 5 second joke, then one: you are a fucking sensitive snowflake who can't take a joke, two: you haven't and never were going to watch many Finegold videos in the first place regardless of the jokes and three: you are a whiny little baby.
Besides, this isn't television. You could easily just skip ahead using the jump 10-15 seconds feature or scroll on the bottom if you really cared so much about having your delicate political sensibilities never questioned by anyone ever.
Jesus, when did conservatives become such whiny babies. The comment section is FULL of conservative snowflake bitches. Maybe if you listen to some dissenting voices your balls will finally drop.
@Daniel Burke Chess ability actually correlates with iq: Giovanni Sala, Alexander P. Burgoyne, et al. "Checking the “Academic Selection” argument. Chess players outperform non-chess players in cognitive skills related to intelligence: A meta-analysis." Intelligence 61: 130-139. Published: March-April 2017. DOI: 10.1016/j.intell.2017.01.013
Since high intelligence tends to correlate with liberalism, it can be said that liberals are better at chess.
No ones claiming "liberals are better." I said what I said: "low IQ correlates with being conservative and chess is a thinking man's game." and "Chess ability actually correlates with iq" and claim that and nothing more with actual meta analysis to prove it.
You use anecdotal and bad apple fallacies and whine "NOOOOOO" in the face of clear and obvious defeat. This is the problem with talking to conservatives: you have to explain everything to them very slowly and even then, they are too stupid to do anything but parrot idiotic bullshit they read on the internet written by a loser in his moms basement who claims his lack of ability to get laid isnt his disgusting physical and mental appearance, its a Man Going his Own Way. LOL
Unfortunately Ben always has to ruin his videos with his ignorant liberal politcs.
Good video but Fischer would have loved Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, not so much.
Coz Bernie is Jewish?
Love Ben but it sucks he likes that Commie hypocrite.
The puns and political... jokes?... Just ouch.