Comparing Stances in Grappling Martial Arts
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 มิ.ย. 2024
- Today we will be comparing the "stances" in BJJ, Judo and Wrestling! Since there are plenty of ways to land or defend a takedown, there are plenty of ways to stand! In Brazillian Jiu Jitsu, Olympic (or kodokan) judo, or freestyle or folkstyle wrestling, there are plenty of options of stances we couldn't quite hit BUTTT thanks to Adli Edwards, Sensei Juan Rodriguez and Glayton Melo for helping me out with this one!
Karate vs Judo vs BJJ vs Wrestling
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0:30 Wrestling
5:14 Judo
10:18 BJJ
15:36 Final Breakdown
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What’re some similarities or differences that you noticed?
Well, it's pretty clear. As BJJ has takedowns from Wrestling and Judo, you'll see people from BJJ using a stance from one of those 2 sports. most BJJ guys will just lower themselves like in wrestling so they can defend themselves against leg takedowns and also do them more easily, while some others will have more of a Judo stance and will rather try leg sweeps like the O Soto Gari or the De Ashi Barai (Harai)
differences you say? Eh... people in Judo, people never have a low stance. While in almost every other grappling art, people crouch a lot.
As a wrestler I appreciate this video so thank you very educational.
Now since you dropped a question. Here is a similarity on all the styles. As you age and get hurt if you are a smart wrestler you adapt so you can compete or spar smart.
Now the difference maneuverability plays a big role in wrestling for attacking from the outside or evading shots and take the back (cool variation example if you type in YT Old Master Wrestler vs Student)
Hey Sensei Seth, I would love to see a video where you break down or discuss some of the most important moves/options from each fighting style. For example everyone loves to give TKD a lot of flack for being safe space karate, but no one can argue that they have great kicking prowess/technique, I have never seen a discussion on Muy Thai that didn't talk about specifically their legendary Leg Kicks and Round House, Catch Wrestling seems to have a huge emphasis on leg and body locks that you don't get in other grappling styles, etc. As a thought experiment I would love to hear your opinion on something like "If I could only take one thing from each martial art what would it be?" whether it be a specific technique or just a general stylistic through line that is used in multiple options.
Love the channel and keep up the good work.
@@jestfullgremblim8002 It isn't necessarily true about Judo IF people don't have grips, stances in judo are a little lower (especially back when leg grabs were allowed). The reason that crouching is less common in Judo is due to two reasons - 1) crouching opens you up to sacrifice throws a bit and 2) moving from a crouch makes it harder to do the sliding footwork in judo that protects you a bit from leg sweeps.
I say that because even the very good wrestlers I've worked with have a tendency to lift their whole foot off the mat as they move, which would be helpful if I was any good at footsweeps.
all grapling stands are great for SWEEPS
(and lowkicks ofc)
Stances summarized
Wrestling: Protect your legs
Judo: Attack with hips
BJJ: Pull guard, why are you standing?
He heh heh
You have the perfect name to talk BJJ. Okay, I suppose "Purple Pancake Belt" is probably better, but still were pretty close
@@xhesil8848 My name has been optimized for this purpose
I love guar pulling jokes
Can't forget wrestling if you are short: attack with your hips because no one can grab your leg anyway.
2:40 "I just want to get inside of you."
;)
That eyebrow raise had me dead.
Hahaha
"I dont know I do Karate." That one killed me. Well done Sensei.
😂🙏
I do both wrestling and judo and never realized how much I mix the two in terms of footwork. Naturally I use judo throws when I wrestle but I never realized I also take small "judo steps" to protect my legs in wrestling.
Indeed, I feel you on that, it's the little things in footwork and kuzushi that stay with you even when you don't realize.😅
do you take any wresting over to judo?
@@midshipman8654 very little. I tend to use much more strength and "brute force" in wrestling that just doesn't really carry over into judo. I may have a stronger base/ know how to lower my center of gravity better from wrestling but I'm not sure.
@@sdsith Yah, because ive felt wrestling has helped my defense a good deal in judo. as well as in the “scrap” between perfectly executed techniques. something about the wrestling explosiveness has helped me readjust when me and my opponents get into odd positions due to a poorly executed movement or a partially successful defense.
@@midshipman8654 that makes a lot of sense! I never even thought about that! I'll have to pay more attention when I get in situations like that. I usually set my mind a lot in the technique when it comes to judo so I may have missed that carryover! Thank you for sharing that and good analyzing!
A little karate, then on to wrestling, a bunch of Judo, and then some boxing... my feet have been confused since the 5th grade
Hahaha feet shmeet!
They don’t know better anways
@@SenseiSeth ha mine never have
You must have the most unshakable base ever
@@danielsales4902 haha you'd think I wouldn't be clumsy
VERY EPIC LORD CHUBBERNAUT
Hahahaa
Graciously chubby may I say
Damn, I remember back in a day when you put judo in a mediocre tier, love how now you’re giving it a lot of love
Very cool
Yeah, most people that though that Judo and Capoeira were bad are actually realizing how useful these arts are
Judo is a bigger and more competitive sport globally than wrestling
@@jestfullgremblim8002 Capoeira is a meme. Unlike Judo
@@jansettler4828 ah yes, get a meia lua de compasso or martello du negativa on the face (or actually anywhere else) and come back here to see if you still think that capoeira is a meme.
The thing is that capoeristas don't presure test a lot, that's why not all of them know how to act in a real fight.
@@jestfullgremblim8002 OK? Show me some real fight footage of Capoeira working then.
I think grappling stances are easy to transition to if one works on the shiko dachi (sumo/horse stance in karate) because it’s just a few tweaks one has to do. Love that Seth is out learning
I did about 8 years of karate before joining bjj and it helped me SO much with my stances. Everybody compliments me on how hard it is to sweep me, it is great
@@lucascastro2802 same here, i am doing kick boxing MT style and bjj and everyone tells me that same thing
@@dovahkiin5773 its probably bc in MT and karate sturdiness is so important rooting your stance is something beginners in karate work on getting perfect and in MT the knockdowns are important bc how its scored just a theory
The rules really dictate everything. If pulling guard was scored highly in MMA everything would change. Same with gloves and rounds. I wonder what it could evolve to without so many restrictions. It’s more cultural than anything else.
I think if rounds were longer mma would be changed so drastically in terms of grappling it would be crazy
@@theKevatron You'd be surprised how difficult those are, and how ineffective they can be when they're expected.
Yes! Super fun, and informative. I've been waiting for a vid like this from you. Keep it up dude, love the content as always!
Whoo! Sensei Rodriguez, is an awesome instructor and coach. I’m so glad he could be in a great video like this one and we could learn from him.
Great video! I do goju karate for years, and I am currently working on the study of the ‘ Sanchin stance’ by compare the stance to judo and muyi thai . And this video help me a lot, great thanks!
Great video ^^
I'm just a bit confused by the judo guy. "If I take a few steps I get a penalty, if I stand still I don't" (I probably butchered it).
In every national/ international rule set it's the exact opposite. You get penalized for inactive time. This time is relative. So when you are active, grip fight, make an entry to a throw, fight over positions and when you MOVE, you won't get penalized as fast. Standing still, not taking any steps will get you penalized in like 3-5 seconds. This holds true for basically every rule set (IJF, USAJ, GJF, in the Olympics and all other national organizations I know of).
Not much I have to say, but in the video, the Judo instructor did those three steps moving BACKWARDS. When I saw it, that's what I presumed he was saying: three consecutive steps backwards would get you a penalty.
Would this be compatible with your knowledge?
@@Matt90Nine Well, I did think of Hajime when I posted my first reply, but it's still a bit confusing, really.
Hajime basically means "Engage!", or phrased in the negative, "Stop stalling!".
In the context of Judo, walking backwards is not, per se, any indication that you're stalling. You may be trying to set up a throw of the uke to their forward, provoking a reaction, etc.
However, what the instructor in the video said was "three steps" and the steps he took were backwards. Therefore I imagined there might be a rule where if you take three consecutive steps back and do nothing else to attack, then it might be considered stalling.
Thank you man 🙏🏻 I was never taught a stance for bjj so this helps a lot
Am I he only one sorely missing the King, GRECO-ROMAN WRESTLING???
Nah, the king is Catch As Catch Can
Greco Romantis don't have a stance. They just do over under clinch to begini witu
@@counterkidnapping1737 what lol no stance?
@@counterkidnapping1737 I totally disagree, The grecco roman stance is a wide squat but a much more upright posture, more like sumo or judo.
All these guys know what they are talking about (from what I can tell from my noob viewpoint). Love the channel. Love these types of videos. Thank you Sensei's for all the teaching and knowledge! :)
Been waiting on a video like this, awesome stuff!
Ayeee
Have my first mma fight on the 26 of this month. Doing karate since I was 12. So, should be interesting lol
Good luck man.
These stances really blend well with boxing's inside fighting, thanks for the cool vid
4:04 There is a Game plan for wide stepping on purpose, as to bait them to try and take that leg, but you have to have a Lethal Sprawl. As in your hips need to have a near instant mat slap time. Also I typically did this baiting technique expecially outside the clinch range, so that they would fall into the mindset of take the leg. Made a few traps for andaconda choke pins, Cow catchers, and butterfly guillotines real easy.
dope video Seth a full indepth on the Judo stance was great :)
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Thanks for the judo and martial art content much love keep coming with the judo and all add hapkido also if you can
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hapkido HAHAHA
I once heard a football player say that any offensive line coach who didn't show their players footage of sumo wrestlers was a bad offensive line coach, because sumo wrestlers are the best offensive linesmen.
I love you so much man! You have helped me on my martial arts journey! And your videos are so entertaining!
I’m happy to help bud!
Couldnt agree more
You are great at comparing styles! Ty Seth
Solid content once again
Great video Seth. Love the content
That analysis at the end was some high tier art! Really had an abstract vibe to it. Who knew Sensei Seith was such a non-martial artist too? 😂
wrestling bjj and judo together is great trio for anyone who aspires to be a good grappler
Judo sensei was spot on, but never mentions that you should slide your feet and try not to take your feet off the mat unless you have to
Great video Sensei!
If I may ask, which grappling stance is easier to transition to using your Karate? i.e, if you were making a Venn Diagram, which system would have the majority of overlap with Karate?
Thank you so much for making videos like this
1:08 Seth struggling not to side kick him in the face right here. ITS RIGHT THERE
It wouldn't work though... #sidekicksdontwork
this is a great video! can you do one about blocking?
Wow dude... In depth work! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Come along way from karate guy kicking bottles 🤣🤣🤣
Not just bottles, he also kicks bags and children XD
Do you think other sports (like football, tennis, badminton, squash) have an impacton how well you fight?
Yo Adli Edwards does have a good record, his last fight was in my local promotion, def gonna keep an eye on that man.
Really great job on this one man!!
Thanks Joshua!
Hi Seth, if you were a karate point style fighter. Lets say you are currently studying (in not America) and have one exchange semester (6months) somewhere (like America). What martial art (other than karate) would you take to improve your fighting?
Muay Thai
Nice video! You may also testing Shuai Jiao and sambo :)
According to my experience in Judo (I trained it when we were allowed to grab legs) the stance didn't change that much.
I guess it's more because you don't want to get grabbed beyond the shoulder.
Also, but that's just my theory, it also might be a "leftover" of early times (early 20th century) when it was also about self defense when striking was a thing.
You can find a lot about that in the videos of chadi here in TH-cam, which I absolutely would recommend. Judo wasn't that much about striking, but it did indeed include striking. And in self defense your opponent would use striking too, so a very low stance wouldn't be that mobile.
But that's as I mentioned my theory about it and some others might know more about that. It did work well for me in MMA, JiuJitsu (Not bjj) and self defense nonetheless.
I wish he would've expounded more on tracking foot movements in wrestling. Everybody moves in a certain pattern, so you coordinate your attack based on when and where the other person's feet are going to be. I used complicated footwork patterns as a form of defense because it made it extremely difficult for the other person to figure out where I was going to be so they could plan their attack. Basically, 15 seconds of rapid movements give you 10-12 seconds to set up a shot and figure out the other person's movements and 3-5 seconds to take the shot before the other person figures out where you're going to be. It backfired one time though; I hit a high crotch at the same time my friend was going in for an ankle pick and my forehead hit the corner of his chin and his nose. He stood straight up, his eyes rolled into the back of his head, he fell backwards and was out like a light before he hit the mat.
What program do you use for editing?
very educational video
Sensei seth, i want to get better at technique but surviving off the dew of a ginko leaf and energy from the universe is hard, how do i improve
Early! Love your content!
Thanks bro!
Actually wrestling has several stances. This particular one is used in freestyle/folkstyle
9:19 Taekwon-Do to boxing, first thing I noticed was whoa this guy is wayyy closer to me than I'm used to. Gonna start doing judo this year, just realized the other dude's gonna literally on top of me. That's gonna take some getting used to
Every gym I trained at never really go over stances whether it’s grappling or striking. I never understand striking until I looked up stances and what purpose they serve.
The best sensei on TH-cam
Too kind 🙏
15:08 to 15:10 That looks so much like the Capoeira ginga (three-steps "stance")!
the worst ginga ever lol
@@joatanpereira4272 Why's that?
Sensei Seth is definitely embracing the inner chubbernaught by exploring on grappling haha 🤙🔥
Fun fact, sumo stance is similar to wrestling but putting lots of efforts on not touching the ground with your hands even by accident, and since hooking palms are allowed, they usually do like a weird peekaboo head movement thing but with the hands in a similar way to judo... But as soon as shit hits the fan it looks like chaos(but it isnt)
Sumo is such an amazing art, sadly underappreciated in the west.
@@Mr.Smiley_J it got bad rep in ufc 1 but... First, it was an early stop... 100% sure about that... And second, they picked a guy who only fought in the lower divisions, who only won 3 times in 2 and a half years and was retired for 5 years... He had been out of training for twice as much as he was competing... If they called chyonofuji, who had just retired he year before, had over 1000 wins, multiple golden stars, was a literal yokozuna and looked like a final boss from a mortal kombat game, i bet things would have been waaaaaaaay different...
I think it's important to emphasize that in sports judo you can't shoot for the legs
He did it, the absolute madlad!
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AND ITS HERE BEFORE SUNDAY YESSSS
AHHHH.. wait was that important? Lol
@@SenseiSeth it's not necessarily important. I'm just excited to have new content
Haha oh okay! Thanks 😂🙏
Very very cool video
You're almost 100k subs bro!
I know!! Sooo close
Good vid :)
"I just wanna get inside ya." Watch out for the oil check Seth!
What's the best style for MMA?
For hips, just put a sticker then draw on that sticker. I was confused by the markings, esp, the orientation of the feet as you were diagramming.
hahaha, I like what you did there in the end.
You should do a review of guerrilla jiujitsu
You have mastered the art of drawing hips
What wrestling? Folkstyle? Freestyle? Greco?
sensei seth an you try to react or break down the fights in one championship please
Hey Seth if given the opportunity would you go train Steven Wonderboy? Our kickboxing coach went up there to help him train a couple times cuz of his karate background. I can imagine you and Wonderboy would hit it off badass
Haha type “Sensei Seth Wonderboy” in TH-cam search 😉
@@SenseiSeth brrrrooooo no frikken way!!! This is badass!! Way too cool brotha!!
I hear his dad is the nicest man ever✊
Getting close to 100K!
martial arts are like languages, the more you speak the more arguments you can win
Hey I recommended this on Instagram!!!
Sure did!
Don't forget Wrestling is more than 1000 years old.
"A healthy mind is a healthy body".
Something to note about Judo stance is that the open stance matchup changes things quite a lot. It becomes more about getting the underhook or the wizzer with the lead hand, or picking up sweeps to get into range inside or outside
See. I get on TH-cam. Watch a JRE clip and what pops up? Sensei Seth. Every Social media account I get on you're there stalking me. 😅
It means that Kudo is an amazing martial art to learn.
One more interesting stance to cover for grappling arts would have been old-school Gracie Jiu-Jitsu (distinct from modern BJJ). The difference of having to deal with striking changes the stance a lot, I think, because the old Gracie Challenge videos don't have that many clips of the Jiu-Jitsu fighter in the bent-over stance.
Another interesting one would have been Sambo. A large part of it ('s grappling) is Judo, but there are other elements in there too (traditional Turkish wrestling is one I believe).
There is also its Combat Sambo variant, which allows striking.
Gracie bjj is just judo if you look their old videos
You are doing amazinnnng shit 😫😫❤❤❤❤❤
17:42 in Greco Roman wrestling your not allowed to shoot only allowed slams/ throws and such
Greco wrestling stance is epic for MMA
Never mind the stances, that Judo uniform looks extremely comfortable. My new stance would be on the ground taking a nap.
Funny thing, I used to compete for many years in judo back in the 80s but it was always against judo. So if someone would have asked me how a "judo stance" would look like, I probably would have just wrinkled my forehead 😅
Shoulda gone to shintaro for the judo part
Let me just fly to NYC really quick
Hey Sensei Seth. You should watch Deba Thapa Wrestling videos. Really very funny.😆😆😆
6:52 yeah i know that stance...
Bin furuya use this stance for the first Ultraman fighting stance. Yeah he is a judo-ka
12:40 that is sumô
AYOOOO one for the real martial artists on your channel lol
😂😂
Why nothing on karate grappling ?
Awesome ending. Ahahaha
Ouchie hugs
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Notice the bjj guy’s front leg is hanging out more than the wrestler. In wrestling you’d be inviting a single leg takedown with only a sprawl to counter. In bjj you can bait the guy to shoot a takedown to execute a guillotine choke
Yes! We talked about how different styles bait, but figured that may be more enjoyable for another video. Good catch!!
@@Matt90Nine the korean tai otoshi is just mad
@@Matt90Nine the korean tai otoshi is just mad
Whats to say interesting topic
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5:10 Oh I'll hop on now ;)
Hahahahahaha
What? Lol
@@SenseiSeth 5:10 I'm sorry man, you set it up and I just had to knock it out 😂
wrestling dude looks like a mix of tony ferguson and serj tankian
"What does all of this mean? I don't know I do karate" 🤣🤣🤣
It’s weird, i did wrestling for like 9-10 years when I was super young, and i never realized that it’s very similar to a martial art and imo is one. It just feels weird that I practiced a martial art in my life
Yeah, wrestling is martial arts! So is boxing, and European sword fighting. Martial arts are really just any kind of combat system.
Also.... Please tell me the Judo guy is the dad of the BJJ guy and the wrestling guy is the Judo guys illegitimate kid conceived from a 1 night stand in college? 🤣🤣🤣
Ah I see you corrected the title 😂😅