John’s got KneeOverToesGuy level knowledge and depth. The difference in subscriber numbers is more of an indictment on what the audience are looking for (quick fix / distinguishing edge / social proof) rather than a difference in the value of what they have to say.
Facts, but don't forget that kneesovertoes is way more appealing to average joes that just want to do some training, whereas THP is for guys that are intent on improving specific athletic performance. The latter group is just significantly smaller.
John, why wouldn’t you recommend Hunter do more plyos if he is already that strong (I understand strength can always be improved for higher ceiling)? Seems like plys would give a better stimulus to Hunter now and then once plateau hits he could increase his deep squat. Just a thought, and I know this video is super old now but let me know your thoughts :) Miss these types of videos 😊
I went from squatting 185 5x5 to 270 3x5 in about 7 weeks. I saw increases in my standing vertical jump but non in my approach. I have yet to find an effective stimulus that really helps with my approach jump. Definitely time to re-analyze my squat and approach technique! Thanks John for all the informative content. I’ll let ya know when im yammin my head on the rim 😤
sorry to be sending you this so late, but if you're still generally in the same boat, start doing sprints and also sprinting at a rim and then as quickly as you can control your speed and jump. do those two things and you will learn to transfer energy into your jump better.
What do you think of the argument that deeper squats are less beneficial for VJ because the strength gains are not joint specific for VJ and the peak forces in deep squat aren’t higher than the peak forces in a VJ. Therefore deep squats are pretty useless for VJ. Basically what pjf said^^??
Hey John. Thanks for the great video. I've been focusing on strength much more during quarantine and due injuries. I havent been able to do sprints or plyos consistently. What would be the best way to improve my elasticity cause I really think that would benefit my vert?
I really think Ja Morant could squat 350 if he really focused on it for a few months. If you test his 1rm rn I would assume it’s somewhere around 275, but if he just trained the movement and got used to heavy loads on his spine he could easily squat a lot imo, squatting is a skill that you have to get used to work on another skill sort of like a powerclean, so that’s why his numbers wouldn’t be that high if it got tested right now. It might sound outlandish but most people wouldn’t believe J Clark can almost squat 500 pounds just by looking at him
ja morant vert is only 44 inches and Basketball combines measure a vert test with a running start and not from raw starting power. which he for sure is not breaking the 40 inch barrier. maybe 32+. a lot of nba players arent jumping high they are just tall and long already and have very good body coordination with the basketball and when they go for dunks the illusion is appearing as if they have the most power in the world when they are simply not
Do you encourage everyone to go as low as possible in a deep squat if they have no mobility/anatomy restrictions? Would you go ATG if you had the anatomy/mobility John???? You like my deep squats???
How do you deal with training plans when athletes get minor injuries that derail the training? Do you see athletes sometimes perform better when returning from those injuries due to the fact that they "deload" as a result?
With deloads in periodization, let's cay your doing a strength cycle for 2 weeks. The 1st week you focus on intensity; the 2nd week you focus on volume. Would that count as a deload because the 1st week volume is deloaded and the 2nd week intensity is deloaded. And it affects the muscles and CNS differintly. Or would it be better to have a cycle of volume and just deload weeks
@@JohnEvans what do you prefer for increasing the vertical and overall athleticism. Or does it depend on how the athlete responds to the training stimulus? The main thing I wanted to know with the question though is, on deloads do you need to deload on all aspects or does deloadimg different aspects still give your body the time to recover various aspects. because heavier and stuff does a lot more with the CNS than volume and volume tends to have more of a hypertrophic affect on the muscles.
You’d have to send me a video of you jumping probably but it won’t matter much in the grand scheme of things. You should be doing all types of squats. General ones earlier in the annual plan.
@@JohnEvans I was thinking loading the torso with a weight vest do you can still get full arm swing and Max intent. And in terms of how much load i think fairly light so about 10-20% of body weight.
Hey John I have a question regarding strength in Highjumpers: Do you believe that their strength numbers have to be as high as for two foot jumpers and that the squat is as beneficial for them?
Hey John I working on increasing my vertical to dunk I’m 5’9 16 y/o but I also want to bulk up just a bit and build a nice physique will this affect my vertical or is there a way I can approach this without hurting my vert, hope u see this thanks in advance
david seney It shouldn’t hurt your max vertical(assuming you are gaining enough strength to out weigh any extra fat gain (should increase a few inches during your bulk)but you won’t be increasing you standing vertical any until you start your weight cut and when you cut weight you should be getting stronger during the cut. If you get to 180lbs squatting 315 and cut for 4 months to get 165lbs you should be squatting like 335-385 for example at the lower body weight.
Deep squats aren’t needed to jump higher. At least not heavy. Slant board squats are a better choice because you get the same mobility benefits. You should do a mix of squats. Through a series of phases Or combine heavy/speed (tempo squats) and isometric holds. Quarter squats are great but if you don’t have a solid base of strength The benefits won’t be as great and could cause you to get hurt. Plyometics is the king of increasing your vertical. You shouldn’t combine plyos and lifting weights. Plyometrics are tough in the nervous system. Good workout would be mon: plyos. We’d: legs Sat: active recovery plyos. Such as low level plyo metics to strength the tendons and ankles and work on jump form. Also make sure on your main jump day to include max jumps. Best way is to find a small rim and dunk on that so you naturally jump your highest without over thinking it.
I mean the slower reps would increase muscle , while the faster reps is muscle conditioning or explosiveness so both are good , I say 60/40 is his you should do it or 80/20 with most of it being explosive reps
Practice glute bridges, fire hydrant hip circles and sit in a deep squat while holding onto something to balance, gradually getting deeper while keeping a straight back.
Depends on what type of jumper you are. Trap bar deadlifts are very specific to ones jump angles. If you are a power jumper a trap bar deadlift will probably be better and if your a speed jumper a quarter squats will most likely have better carry over.
@@DondiWhiteRIP experiment and find out. Sometimes your just have to try out your own stuff. For example I combine a quarter squat with my calf raises. Try it for three months and if your vertical goes up keep it if it doesn't remove it.
I tried this and my vertical only increased by an inch. Squat went from 225-285 in a 3 month period. Quarter squats went from 365-415 in the next 3 months and my vert increased by 6 inches. Also do a lot of jump approaches,quarter squat jumps, and sprints.
@@dangelorussell5329 so how many inches can you increase your vertical in a year then? say can you go from 13-26 in a year, 26-34 in another year and progress begins to slow after or what?
I like the content but I have some criticism. I think everyone here knows squatting will help your vertical, and everyone knows ja morant is a genetic freak, but he is living proof that you don’t need a huge squat to have a good vertical. We all also know that powerlifters can have a horrible vertical jump. The reason everyone watched this video is to listen to you address the question of how. How important is squatting The outliers of people like ja morant and powerlifters were not addressed.
John’s got KneeOverToesGuy level knowledge and depth. The difference in subscriber numbers is more of an indictment on what the audience are looking for (quick fix / distinguishing edge / social proof) rather than a difference in the value of what they have to say.
Facts, but don't forget that kneesovertoes is way more appealing to average joes that just want to do some training, whereas THP is for guys that are intent on improving specific athletic performance. The latter group is just significantly smaller.
John, why wouldn’t you recommend Hunter do more plyos if he is already that strong (I understand strength can always be improved for higher ceiling)? Seems like plys would give a better stimulus to Hunter now and then once plateau hits he could increase his deep squat. Just a thought, and I know this video is super old now but let me know your thoughts :)
Miss these types of videos 😊
Oops, meant to put this comment in the comment section 🤦🏽♂️
Hey John just want to say I really appreciate you and you’ve really helped my vertical jump
Much appreciated brother!
I love the glasses John. They look really good on you
I went from squatting 185 5x5 to 270 3x5 in about 7 weeks. I saw increases in my standing vertical jump but non in my approach. I have yet to find an effective stimulus that really helps with my approach jump. Definitely time to re-analyze my squat and approach technique! Thanks John for all the informative content. I’ll let ya know when im yammin my head on the rim 😤
No problem! You should practice your approach jumps more!
@@JohnEvans Thanks for the tip. I’ll definitely try and apply everything I’m learning!
It’s definitely your mechanics
hows now?
sorry to be sending you this so late, but if you're still generally in the same boat, start doing sprints and also sprinting at a rim and then as quickly as you can control your speed and jump. do those two things and you will learn to transfer energy into your jump better.
John is smart af bro
What do you think of the argument that deeper squats are less beneficial for VJ because the strength gains are not joint specific for VJ and the peak forces in deep squat aren’t higher than the peak forces in a VJ. Therefore deep squats are pretty useless for VJ. Basically what pjf said^^??
Refer to the podcast about differing jump strategies and time of year.
Which one is better front squat or back squat for jump training
Great info !. Didn’t know squating was so important !
Tried to explain it clearly
Thanks for the info!!
Hey John. Thanks for the great video. I've been focusing on strength much more during quarantine and due injuries. I havent been able to do sprints or plyos consistently. What would be the best way to improve my elasticity cause I really think that would benefit my vert?
Wel sprints and plyos will help your short gct activities most but could help with contraction velocity in longer gct activities
This is GOLD👌🏽
Sup John, ever read speed strength by Joel smith? I got the book as a Christmas gift and theirs a ridiculous amount of info in that thing.
Yep!
That's a really good book
I really think Ja Morant could squat 350 if he really focused on it for a few months. If you test his 1rm rn I would assume it’s somewhere around 275, but if he just trained the movement and got used to heavy loads on his spine he could easily squat a lot imo, squatting is a skill that you have to get used to work on another skill sort of like a powerclean, so that’s why his numbers wouldn’t be that high if it got tested right now. It might sound outlandish but most people wouldn’t believe J Clark can almost squat 500 pounds just by looking at him
If he trained it, it would be way higher
Can prob 1/4 squat a lot
Ja Definitely squats more than 275.
ja morant vert is only 44 inches and Basketball combines measure a vert test with a running start and not from raw starting power. which he for sure is not breaking the 40 inch barrier. maybe 32+. a lot of nba players arent jumping high they are just tall and long already and have very good body coordination with the basketball and when they go for dunks the illusion is appearing as if they have the most power in the world when they are simply not
Do you encourage everyone to go as low as possible in a deep squat if they have no mobility/anatomy restrictions? Would you go ATG if you had the anatomy/mobility John???? You like my deep squats???
Yep. I would. I do lol
How do you deal with training plans when athletes get minor injuries that derail the training? Do you see athletes sometimes perform better when returning from those injuries due to the fact that they "deload" as a result?
This is a great podcast topic
@@JohnEvans I have anecdotal evidence of this on the "program" haha
I can say from personal experience that the more you back squat the higher you will jump if you are a two foot jumper.
I think that is well documented in Rea search and anecdote!
@@JohnEvans yessir I agree 100 percent.
I increased my one foot as well
Awesome video John.
Which shoes would you recommend for sprinting and plyos- flat vs cushioned (if i were to buy only one for both activities)?
Ooooh, my favorite right now is the ultra boost for plyos but on a track HJ spikes are great.
@@JohnEvans thanks for the reply. Any particular model of high jump spikes you would recommend?
How about the importance of Pistol Squat?
Just another variation!
With deloads in periodization, let's cay your doing a strength cycle for 2 weeks. The 1st week you focus on intensity; the 2nd week you focus on volume. Would that count as a deload because the 1st week volume is deloaded and the 2nd week intensity is deloaded. And it affects the muscles and CNS differintly. Or would it be better to have a cycle of volume and just deload weeks
That is a very in depth question that is contingent on the specifics of the plan
@@JohnEvans what do you prefer for increasing the vertical and overall athleticism. Or does it depend on how the athlete responds to the training stimulus?
The main thing I wanted to know with the question though is, on deloads do you need to deload on all aspects or does deloadimg different aspects still give your body the time to recover various aspects. because heavier and stuff does a lot more with the CNS than volume and volume tends to have more of a hypertrophic affect on the muscles.
hey john how would I determine the best style of squat/ best stimulus for my style of jumping without an emg test. also thanks for another great video
You’d have to send me a video of you jumping probably but it won’t matter much in the grand scheme of things. You should be doing all types of squats. General ones earlier in the annual plan.
Hey John, loved the podcast! Was wondering what are your thoughts on loaded jumping?
Ehhh, I don’t love it. It does hit a portion of the FV curve that you otherwise probs couldn’t but very hard to set up
Unless you do like a hex bar jump or db jump. Depends on how much it’s loaded
@@JohnEvans I was thinking loading the torso with a weight vest do you can still get full arm swing and Max intent. And in terms of how much load i think fairly light so about 10-20% of body weight.
Should hypertrophy based training be used?
And would using at as a cycle within periodization be the best way to do it?
How many days should a trained 1 foot jumper should do plyos and lift? Aren't plyos more important to speed jumpers than lifting?
everyday. Just jump 10x10 jump approach,10x10 quarter squat jumps,and 10 sprints. This will increase your vertical by 5 increases in a month.
@@joys8634 Bro cns doesn't have time to rest that way. Am I wrong?
@@aaabbb-pg2zk I felt tired, but my vertical was up 5 inches after 2 days rest in 1 month
@@joys8634 do you have an insta?
@@aaabbb-pg2zk no
Hey John I have a question regarding strength in Highjumpers: Do you believe that their strength numbers have to be as high as for two foot jumpers and that the squat is as beneficial for them?
In a quarter squat way higher
5ft 9 150 pounds, what would you consider to be “strong as shit”/ as strong as you would want me to be?
Harry Squatter
Fresh glasses tho
Hey John I working on increasing my vertical to dunk I’m 5’9 16 y/o but I also want to bulk up just a bit and build a nice physique will this affect my vertical or is there a way I can approach this without hurting my vert, hope u see this thanks in advance
If you gain too much weight for sure
david seney
It shouldn’t hurt your max vertical(assuming you are gaining enough strength to out weigh any extra fat gain (should increase a few inches during your bulk)but you won’t be increasing you standing vertical any until you start your weight cut and when you cut weight you should be getting stronger during the cut. If you get to 180lbs squatting 315 and cut for 4 months to get 165lbs you should be squatting like 335-385 for example at the lower body weight.
Hey John, do you think your program would work well for coaching an ultimate frisbee player?
We have a guy right now, Clifford Ressel, he’s an absolute tank! You should ask him about his experience!
@@JohnEvans I'll dm you on insta
Should I do quarter squats or deep squats for vertical ?
Deep squats aren’t needed to jump higher. At least not heavy. Slant board squats are a better choice because you get the same mobility benefits. You should do a mix of squats. Through a series of phases Or combine heavy/speed (tempo squats) and isometric holds. Quarter squats are great but if you don’t have a solid base of strength
The benefits won’t be as great and could cause you to get hurt. Plyometics is the king of increasing your vertical. You shouldn’t combine plyos and lifting weights. Plyometrics are tough in the nervous system. Good workout would be mon: plyos. We’d: legs Sat: active recovery plyos. Such as low level plyo metics to strength the tendons and ankles and work on jump form. Also make sure on your main jump day to include max jumps. Best way is to find a small rim and dunk on that so you naturally jump your highest without over thinking it.
@@davidseney7588 great advice bro 💯
In what percentages would you say power/explosive work should be done in relation to classic hypertrophy/slower reps?
slow reps mean slow movement. it's counter intuitive. equivalent of a sprinter going for a marathon
I mean the slower reps would increase muscle , while the faster reps is muscle conditioning or explosiveness so both are good , I say 60/40 is his you should do it or 80/20 with most of it being explosive reps
What sorts of drills do u do to try and become a speed jumper
I work on the free leg action a lot
@@JohnEvans got it thank u
If youre not freaky strong would it be better to be in a strenght focus "phase" until youre very strong before doing power/elastic focus?
No! You’ll hit training montotony
Hi John! How can I squat ass to grass when I have no internal hip rotation?
Practice glute bridges, fire hydrant hip circles and sit in a deep squat while holding onto something to balance, gradually getting deeper while keeping a straight back.
What’s a good exercise for horizontal power?
Horizontal power is vertical power turned sideways.
Broad jump, sled sprint, bounding, single leg depth jump for distance. Horizontal force production is very important for sprinting
Isn't high-handle trap-bar deadlift better than the (partial range of motion) squat?
Depends on what type of jumper you are. Trap bar deadlifts are very specific to ones jump angles. If you are a power jumper a trap bar deadlift will probably be better and if your a speed jumper a quarter squats will most likely have better carry over.
@@davidseney7588 could also do high-handle trap-bar off blocks?
@@DondiWhiteRIP experiment and find out. Sometimes your just have to try out your own stuff. For example I combine a quarter squat with my calf raises. Try it for three months and if your vertical goes up keep it if it doesn't remove it.
Is it important for 1 foot jumpers as well?
It is!
Let’s gooo
You’re welcome
Some people say for vj not to squat deep but do u think I should squat deep for vj
I tried this and my vertical only increased by an inch. Squat went from 225-285 in a 3 month period. Quarter squats went from 365-415 in the next 3 months and my vert increased by 6 inches. Also do a lot of jump approaches,quarter squat jumps, and sprints.
@@joys8634 it might’ve just been working on ur approach mechanics
@@dangelorussell5329 so how many inches can you increase your vertical in a year then? say can you go from 13-26 in a year, 26-34 in another year and progress begins to slow after or what?
@@joys8634 well 13-26 is easier because it’s beginner gains but when u get around 30 it’s going to get a lot harder to increase your vert
@@joys8634 what did ur vert go to when it increased 6 inches
First
Not second. I think like 99
I like the content but I have some criticism.
I think everyone here knows squatting will help your vertical, and everyone knows ja morant is a genetic freak, but he is living proof that you don’t need a huge squat to have a good vertical. We all also know that powerlifters can have a horrible vertical jump.
The reason everyone watched this video is to listen to you address the question of how. How important is squatting
The outliers of people like ja morant and powerlifters were not addressed.
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