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@@s1lverhawk Definitely not! Haha. I watched it with subs (for foreign film or TV, I always go for the subbed option if there is one). Afterward, I went back and listened to a few dubbed bits just to see how the English translation handled some of the character pronunciations.
Well explained but I think you might miss one important thing that what Dark actually about, it's world with religion and world without religion, i assume this concept from the name of two main characters Adam and Eve I think the show is about to tell that the concept of Adam and Eve is not actually exists and this is the cause of racism, gender discrimination, religious atrocities and inhuman behaviours. The original world will be better without Adam and Eve.
I always go for the dubbed version even though it ruins the acting and makes it seem fake and cheesy, but subtitles are so much more distracting to me.
So much of what the show was ultimately about was foreshadowed by Peter reciting the Serenity Prayer in the first episode: "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference."
Amen. The whole time I watched this, I felt like these questions have been answered in text from antiquity, particularly though the gospels. Does it take Netflix content for us to discover the truth. Streams to the river I guess
In the end, Tannhaus succeeded: he created a machine that eventually saved his son’s family. That was his only desire, and even though it was achieved by an infinity of misery, it worked. What we experienced through the show was seeing just how the machine actually did it. I’ll always think of Dark as the best hard-core time travel story (and yes, I acknowledge all that came before it, especially All You Zombies). Thanks for the video! 🙏
Nice try and View, seriously, but i have to remark, that the Show is illogical and a success after an infinite tryout is Impossible, for it is infinite and by necessity, nothing about it can Change. The Show therefore is Not the best hard-core time travel Story, although it is a very thrilling and outstandingly played one. It is illogical, and therefore fails to show the real tragedy.
I loved how so many of the characters were constantly coming face to face with different versions of themselves and deceiving themselves in order to manipulate their past actions. I don't think I've ever seen that in a show about time travel. I've often wondered what I would say if I was given the chance to try to change things by making a phone call to my past self. I usually imagine that I would pass on wise advice from the lessons experience has taught me, and that my past self would eagerly listen. I never imagined what it might be like if my past and present selves had completely different goals and values. Maybe my past self was less like my present self than I remember. It's an interesting thought.
There’s no such thing as actual substantial self, it’s just a process that keeps to change, realizing this in one’s own body/mind/consciousness will bring about the realization of reality and of being in it’s pure unfiltered state
What you say about manipulating one's own actions reminds me a bit of the film Memento. That was not a time-travel story per se, but it was essentially told from end to beginning, and the protagonist's lack of continuity of consciousness severely altered the perception of causation, and therefor the flow of time.
Their choice of actor was excellent in that I could follow the characters thru the ages because they looked so alike. It could have been far more confusing.
@@kindofanmol middle age Ulrich is played by Oliver Masucci. Old Ulrich by Winfried Glatzeder. Right now Oliver is 55, which makes sense since in Dark s1 he is supposed to be 49 Winfried is 79.
Dark may be the best story I have ever experienced, in any media. The planning and execution is pristine. It's deep, intelligent, and emotional. The twists keep coming and there isn't a plot hole to be found. They also did an amazing job with the casting, it's easy to believe every character grouping is the same person. The only thing I don't like is in the end Hannah gets a happy ending. She was a selfish, horrible person from childhood and the decisions she made were not influenced by the others.. they were purely her own.
Hannah's end was to be murdered by her own son. You know that Hannah in the last scene at the dinner table isn't the same selfish, horrible Hannah, right? that's hannah from the original universe, there's not even ulrich in it, you can't assume she's like the hannah we've seen for most of the series
the characters left at the table were only the ones who werent born within the loop in some way.. hannah's family wasnt part of it, so she remained. they all still express wishing winden didnt exist in the end so i feel like its more of a neutral ending than a happy one
I’ve actually wondered my entire life if my very existence ruined the lives of others. As if I was a mistake. So I really connected to that theme within the show and felt a sense of peace with their decision at the end. But at the same time, hearing you say that philosophy is unhealthy hit me like a ton of bricks. Thanks for this commentary.
@Voice ForBoys It's funny, because I was raised Christian and had to leave it because to me it is entirely too tied with messages about shame and being unworthy of God's love. I needed to be grateful for it, because it was there, but the gratitude was necessary because I was so undeserving of it. I now understand this is not the core of Christianity, just the distortion that my teachers happened to present. I've also learned that any spirituality can lead back to that essential truth: the logic you laid out so beautifully I've also seen explained by Hindus, Buddhists, Thelemites, Sufi Muslims and Neopagans. There is something, some transcendent and good thing underlying the universe, which loves us.
I have the same thoughts with my mum. She was 46 and her youngest child was 18 so she had the rest of her life to enjoy without any dependant children to worry about. Then she got pregnant with me, I’ve always felt like I’ve just stolen the last 20 years of her life raising me when she could have done so much
@@BigPurp9You aren't responsible for being born. Your comment presents you as a compassionate and sensitive person. You're a gift to the universe and you shouldn't feel guilty over your parents choices. There are people who need you. I don't want write pointless motivational phrases. I'm a pretty dark person and I don't believe in destiny. However, if the show has reminded us of anything it is that we never fully understand our role and importance. You can't burden yourself with things that were never up to you, and consider yourself as an inconvenience to others. I really do understand what you feel but we aren't responsible for lifes of people who brought us here.
Dark series also shown reincarnation as a quantum Immortality concept, Katherina died in first world and reborns in second World, she then died in second World during apocalypse but her soul remembers her suffering during the lost of Mikkel that's why she was hugging Mikkel during apocalypse, Peter died in first world and reborns in second World, that's why he was feeling like he have met Jonas, when Jonas first time came to his world, because he have given him therapy, Martha have also born in second World that's why she was saying that when I met you Jonas I felt I met you before, Magnus Does all time travel thing with Jonas and reborns in second World and that's why he was satisfied during Apocalypse of second World because he have done so much work so his soul was satisfied. Similarly Francisca also done so much work and reborns in second second World and she was not having voice because she disrespected her sister who can't speak and her soul was also satisfied during Apocalypse of second World. but Jonas born again in his own universe but in Scrodinger cat theory, quantum immortality, that's why he never born in second World because he was always present in his world, his soul never gone their to reborn. But they all reborn in third world through different parents and reunited. The paradise.
Jonas already showed in series 1 that he didn't 'think he was so important he had to exist' when he was about to bring Mikkel back to the present day to reunite him with Ulrich & Katarina. He did this knowing that Mikkel would never grow up to be his father and that this would mean he no longer existed. It was his older self who stopped him, but young Jonas always had that in him.
This show deserves all the recognition in the world! What a masterpiece! And great content as always. Love you and your channel! This show is extremely thought provoking - so many characters, so many perspectives and so many more possible explanations. Yours are the ones which I find the most satisfying. Keep up the good work friend. Love from India. :))
I just watched the three seasons of Dark for the fourth time. Every time I watch it again, I understand the story better. I just wanted to add that even if characters changed their desires, like Jonas trying to hang himself, time itself intervened to keep the whole knot intact because nothing that violated the cause-and-effect patterns of such a determined knot could be allowed to happen. Only when time stopped for a moment could it be violated. Of course the people were miserable in such a closed universe, since they had free will and desires which were thwarted again and again by time itself. In that sense, the story seemed like it was more about characters being kept in line by their author and his or her story-logic than about the real world we inhabit. Still, I love time-travel stories and this one was the best!
The first in season was to difficult to understand. In general Like most show with a large cast it takes time for me to know and remember who people are. You don't who or what is significant. Add multiple people , time travel.
It is a grandiose production, both in acting and audio-visuals. But it is sadly illogical and therefore not brave and cunning enough to show the real tragedy.
I like how the phrase Jonas & Martha kept saying to each other was that they’re perfect for each other. Because that ultimately foreshadows where they come from. They were literally too perfect to be true.
Thank you for reminding us about this masterpiece and that the show is over. So sad it's over, but happy to say it's a top 3 of all time greatest shows.
While Dark indeed tells the story of the battle between Fate/desire and free will -- 'We can do what we want but not will what we want' -- I think another significant theme -- whether intentional or not -- is that Love (symbolized in Jonas and Martha) is ultimately what "saves" us. It was the loss of Love (his family) that drove Tannhaus to create the time machine which spawned the two "cancerous" knotted worlds (symbolized in Regina), and it was Love in them that eventually freed the knot to save his family in the origin world. Love can both harm and save, but it is the primary principle of the Universe and ultimately does the latter.
I do think the theme expresses that love is the primary principle of the universe but the good and bad it causes is balanced or up for interpretation. There still was so much harm created in trying to save his loved ones and Jonas and Martha will never get to love each other in existence after being reversed although Tannhaus now gets to watch his loved ones grow up. A sick twisted reality was generated to protect a love once lost.
@@rorocash1376 I find it interesting, love certainly is a very powerful motivator. 3 main themes in life could be written as:- - I must be right - I must get what I want - I must be loved these are not demands as such, but they are necessary in life to varying degrees.
Yes! ultimately the show is about our human nature, how/why/when we act and what drives us to do something, and this is portrayed mostly by the feeling of different types of love and how far people will go to achieve something under its name.
I’ve been thinking about this “creation of two worlds” part (how they split) and I realised something. The only difference in alt-world(Martha’s world) is that Mikkel never travelled through the tunnel so Jonas doesn’t exist. Then I thought about the fact-what started everything in Jonas’ world. And it was this - Mikkel travelling theough the tunnel and consequently people trying to find him, travelling as well … and Jonas sending himself a letter that his father left and the map and telling himself about time travel. And then I remembered what Mikkel said. Jonas BROUGHT him through the tunnel. Which means Jonas is the one who started everything in his world by his free will to do this. (He caused the existence of himself so basically he created himself knowingly). And then followed by Martha also telling herself about time travel (her older self sent Jonas to get her from her world). And she already had that apple travelling machine. She provoked Jonas with the apple to follow her and tricked him into having a baby (see the parallel with the Biblical story) and then tried to keep the baby alive. Causing all this events to happen and the world to be created and keep existing. So older versions of Jonas and Martha were actually responsible for creation of the worlds (I mean as a consequence of Tannhouse opening the portal - he made it possible - so we can look at him as this sort of like God figure) and older versions of Jonas and Martha = Adam and Eve. So Adam and Eve were responsible for the creation of the worlds (by influencing their younger selves and ensuring their own existance) but God made it possible. There’s also the apple and baby and all that. I think Eve’s storyline is particularly interesting because we don’t get to know, how all the time travelling developed in her world and how everyone was created (like Ulrich, Agnes …). And in the end everything is stopped by the younger selves of Adam and Eve. And Claudia plays the role of “knowledge” or “consciousness” impersonalised. We could also say that she gives then the knowledge about their free will in the situation. She gave Adam and Eve knowledge about where their actions would lead them so their young selves would stop it. I just thought about how we can compare her to Jesus (if we are doing a comparison to the Bible). The young versions would stop it and clear the world of “sin”. And she also sacrifices herself in the process but survives. That’s my comparison to the Biblical version. I’m not Christian but I thought that might be interesting. Oh and another little part. As I said before if we compare Tanhaus to God (because he created the tunnel and subsequently enabled the worlds to create themselves) - on the tunnel it says “Let there be light” which is how in the Bible God creates the world.
remember that martha could not exist if ulrich didn't exist, and ulrich is the son of Tronte, which is the son of Agnes, who was born from Bartosz from the world where Jonas exists. so without Jonas's world (a world where mikkel travels back in time), martha could not exist either! it's fucking insanity. the show is the definition of lifting yourself by your bootstraps. i love it. Nothing has an origin at all!
Dark was truly one of those shows that exist when everything just works. The level of detail, the passion of cinematography, and the skillful acting all combined to create an experience that really drove us to chase each episode seeking resolution. I loved this show and was dismayed endlessly when Netflix cancelled the creators' next series, 1899.
@@OneTakeVids I was thinking about the issue you raised about your life being better off gone in order to fix someone else's life. I wonder if maybe it's partially a cultural thing. Maybe not. But I think the idea that your life can be sacrificed to save many others is an old concept. It's not that their lives don't have value- it's that they chose to choose the greater good, and let go of ego, as you said.
@@richierich7384Nope it is the desires themselves. Same in Hinduism. Bhagvad Gita is about doing your duty without desires and Yoga is about ways of controlling your desires. Indic religions, in fact, mostly revolve around the same concept. The concept of Nirvana (Freedom from the cycle of birth and death), reincarnation etc.
Which is similar to Christianity in many ways. Desires lead to learning, but also suffering(Adam, Eve and the apple). So when you say suffering, it is not outright "bad" or "good", it is necessary and inevitable, the existance of one makes the other possible. It's important to understand this to grasp the meaning behind the story, or at least that's my (mostly chrisitian at least in culture) interpretation. Adam and Eve created a new world by their "suffering", but also they followed their hearts, their love as their motive. Adam's motive all along was to preserve his existence, just like Adam in the bible wanted to stay in paradise. But in the end they give this motive up, they accept their death so that other worlds may exist peacefully. It is not a direct parallel to the Adam and Eve story but most religions and fate and desire as a whole. And quantum infinity. Such a gem of a series.
I love your reference to "Lost" at the beginning of this video. I was thinking the exact thing about half way through this series. It was like what "Lost" could have been if the writers had actually had a plan and through line.
Greatest series ever. Hit all of the triggers and gates at exactly the right pace. The worst thing about DARK was waiting for the next season. THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL SERIES. I hope 1899 is just a fantastic.
I'm so obsessed with Dark and I've watched it several times and I've watched many videos breaking the series down. This video is top tier! Truly well done.
Great episode, Gil.....After watching Dark several times, I came up with the conclusion that it is a story of hope, not doom. In the end, when Jonas repeats "We're a perfect match...never believe anything else", it is not just a declaration of his love for Marta, but almost like he is stating another law of physics-- Love, that irrational bond between two people-- might be powerful enough to be another physical law of the universe. Like the quantum world, where particles break all the rules of classical physics, so too does love....Love is what binds them together, and why they will exist in the origin world...... The more I watched, the more I saw the clues that Bo Odar and Friese left for us to find which prove this: * Read Marta's letter again....I mean, REALLY read it--- there is a lot of foreshadowing about their fate at the end. One line in particular..." Jonas, you must let me die, so I can live. We have to let some things go before they find their way back to us. We are a perfect match....never believe anything else.".....Think about it... * Ariadne's speech--- When Marta recites "A thread, red like blood, that connects all our deeds....He severed ours, with the sharpest blade.....Yet something remains, an invisible bond, that can never be severed", not only are the writers referring to the string the Ariadne gave Theseus, they are also referring to the Asian philosophy of the "Red Thread of Fate". According to it, two lovers who are connected by the thread "are destined to be together, regardless of time, place, or any circumstance. No matter what obstacle lies in front of them, the string will never break.” *The photo of Claudia and Bernd at the end----- Take a good look at the photo....There's a hidden reason why the camera panned on it at the end. In the origin world, the writers want to show you that Bernd is the father of Regina....but they also want you to know that despite the huge age difference between them, that they are not impossible this new world....and neither will Jonas and Marta. There is some foreshadowing of this in the episode where Jonas and Alt Marta go to her future and meet with Stranger Marta in the bunker.....She says to Jonas, "In this world, you two are NOT impossible!".....not in this world, not in any world.....It's almost as if the photo of Claudia and Bernd are telling Jonas and Marta...."You TOO are not impossible in this world".... Perhaps I'm wrong, of course....the beauty of Dark is that it is so ambiguous and is open for many interpretations.....But one thing is certain... Jonas will never lose your thread, Ariadne.....Nor will I........Nor will any of us........
Thanks for sharing these thoughts Vick! The idea of Jonas and Martha being entangled like particles through some elemental force of love definitely resonates with me. I think that’s also why they had them see eachother as children when they were given a glimpse of the bridge between worlds. Also, it’s hard to scientifically explain how their family tree started… i.e., how can Charlotte exist to birth Elisabeth before Elisabeth births her? The whole bootstrap paradox issue. But, I think DARK shows us the power of love and desire as fundamental forces of nature which bring Jonas, Martha, and the rest into existence.
@@OneTakeVids Totally agree with you, Gil....It took me awhile to figure it out, but the clues are there...and probably many more...that's the beauty of this story....
I believe that the patterns of behaviours is actually well shown throughout the series: some characters keep tendencies they have no matter what universe or time they are in, which ties them well to their own psyches and choices. Else for the rest, I really like your take on it 👍🏻
Your take is totally legit. I've watched this series three times and I'm still not sure I've picked everything up. But what I will say: BEST German TV show in German history.
When you mention that things happened an infinite number of times, I think that's maybe not the right way to think about it. I think it's probably more useful to think about it as the whole time loop coming into existence at the same time, and while the ends are connected together, it's meaningless to ask how many times it happened. It's just one loop. An observer can traverse the loop some number of times, but the loop itself doesn't go anywhere, it just is. Each event in the timeline is a unique point in spacetime - there aren't an arbitrary number of identical copies of each event. Think about this: if the above is wrong and the time loop didn't come into existence at once, one part of it must have come first. But that doesn't make sense, because every part of the time loop is dependent on both past and future events. No part of it could've come first. As for the escape out of the loop, there's a reveal at the end that both Jonas and Martha saw each other escaping the loop as adults when they were children. That escape didn't happen after an arbitrary number of loops, it always happened. The big plot hole, in my opinion, is characters fading out of existence at the end Back To the Future style. That just doesn't make sense: if Jonas' and Martha's worlds are ended by preventing the deaths of Tannhaus' family, then the whole world should disappear from existence, not just the people. Also, I think logically, for the original world to have been restored, Jonas and Martha's timeline has to stay happened, because otherwise it's unstable. The tragedy caused the time loop that prevented the tragedy, so you can't erase the time loop after preventing the tragedy because you're back to square one. But on the other hand, I think the decision works narratively, emotionally, and visually. It would've been more logical if the timeloops continued to exist, but it's probably a better story if they don't.
It all adds up, you might of not put all the Pieces together yet in your mind. When Jonas and Martha traveled to the origin-reality and prevented the origin that stemmed off into their respectful worlds. Jonas and Martha’s realities didn’t exactly just collide back into the original timeline in the very beginning’beginning. Instead, Jonas & Martha created a branched Timeline of the first Original-Reality. That is the same as the end origin world/reality except one event and that is the prevention of the accident that led to the series. While Jonas & Martha gets to always exist forever-on externally in those last minutes before they fade into Time/God. And they will always be in those minutes because all of history exists InTangent. Though anyway the original-first timeline of witch the accident that led to ‘A Series of Unfortunate Events’ that occurred also still happened. Still that led to a infinite amount of loops and bye infinite ♾ I also mean One. Like a circle ⭕️ has just One side, though yet also infinite sides. And after enough quantum fluctuations, example showed on Atam’s wall in 1921, there was a document that showed how the cycle fluctuates enough that after so many unnoticeably small fluctuations. it eventually only takes one cycle for one potential major event to shift it into another loop, witch variates it even more from the last. I believe that is how Claudia let Jonas & Martha trough Adam to delete time-travel in the end/beginning anyway. I understand from the first season that the scientists book could not have originally been a Bootstrap-Paradox. I understand a chicken does not hatch before the egg is laid! There had to of been an earlier cycle that leads it up to the evens we saw when season 1 begun, with that eventually led to the Time-Apparatus, which had to have been in effect in a earlier loop🔁for the Time-sphere to be created in Martha’s reality. The Time-Chair in the first season was a necessary step that had to occur for the passage to be split into 3 different time periods separated bye exactly 33 years because of the events from the Origin & nuclear power plants pre’series-Incident. Even know Hanno aka Noah had the Time-Apparatus though making the time-chair was required for the next faze of Quantum-Alternating-Cycles that lead to it in the end/beginning, thanks to the handy-dandy magic Time-Sphere effects Jonas & Martha to conceive the origin-child that in return is destined to return to the beginning of the knot to father Tronte in both worlds, and there for the rest of the Nelson family-line after and also the Dopplers too & back around and over again. Jonas is his own ‘great great great Great grand father! With also every other character somehow genetically-related & or Intertwined with him trough time. Apologies if this is confusing It’s difficult for me to explain and I wasn’t planning on typing out a long comment for this. But in a short the original reality and the origin reality that Jonas & Martha appeared into then disappeared out of is two different timelines that exist InTangent.♾.
That series and their creators was a masterpiece and if Netflix hadn't started to favor bubblegum garbage against real content like this, "1899" would have been the worthy successor of "Dark"
Thank you for your work !! 'Dark' = 'Romeo and Juliet' in the 'Emerald Table'. Can we choose our emotions? Can we choose our choices? It's not easy to get into this story. It's interesting to discover so much humanity in such a complex narrative. The series is totally inspired by the alchemical text, the temporal paradoxes are (from what I have been able to analyze so far...) well managed. We have fun following the various characters, words, places and objects. And it remains deeply human. The Emerald Table text is followed completely. The whole being understandable and the separate parts totally obscure. The result is a sum of choral reflections on destiny. Adam and Eve, Ariadne and the Minotaur, Romeo and Juliet and Oedipus everywhere but consistent. Each character teaches us. The first alchemical operation is dark work. It's not easy to get out of this story.
I think that "Time and Free Will: An Essay on the Immediate Data of Consciousness" by Henri Bergson helps understand the conception of free will that the show roots for. It's related to the way we experience time (as undivided) as opposed to the way we represent it. You might want to read it. :)
Absolutely. I've argued with people that this show is about parent(s)' love for a child. Every major character is somehow wanting the best for their child. This point is driven home in S3 when we see the whole reason this thing started was Tannhaus building the time machine because of the loss of his child/family.
Critics are not talking about how time (in a loop space) in dark is actually a whole character in itself. The show personified past, present and future events and people in it, as if those things live on independently in an eternal vacum of time and space. This was mentioned in a few episodes. Remember when the person in the 1800's said that people don't die in reality (also the lady narrator mentions this) that they actually stay eternally in a moment in time forever. So in theory, the loop was never undone. Maybe the loop was excited but not erase from the memory of time. After all the infinity loop sign is on top of the characters tree map.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little bit disappointed that the ending didn't result in them causing the car crash, resulting in yet another loop. I just really wanted the show to keep going. Absolutely brilliant!
Its the schrodinger's cat experiment's other version. What happens when Tannhaus family dies, it leads to the creation of two new world. How to stop this loop ? They should not die. I also loved the fact that such a complicated mess was created by a simple thing as a fathers love for his son
This show was such a unique ride, never losing momentum, great characters, and a storyline which was meant to plunge us into chaos. They were successful. In a word, this show was about hell. It was a show which never let up on feelings of despair and hopelessness....a Neverending maze l, with no way out.
I found Dark exhausting to watch, mainly due to the characters’ sisyphean efforts to change outcome. But this exhaustion made the show stand out from other shows about time travel. The existential dread was palpable; you almost knew they were going to fail. But the will of the characters to overcome fate made the show insanely compelling to watch.
Another thought that crosses the mind after watching dark - is that people with the intellect over feelings end up driving those who have feeling above all: Claudia essentailly drives this all to conclusion, not Jonas and Martha. Yes you can say that Jonas & Martha ultimately sacrificed their existence to untie "the knot", but without Claudia they seem perpetuate the same set of cycles... Remember how clueless Adam looked when he thought that he would end it by erasing young pregnant Martha...
I'm one year and a half late to the party, but OMG you totaly cracked it for me ! Thank you so much for your work on this video ! This is gonna be long, but I have a few things I'd also like to add, so here it goes : Before I watched your video, I personnaly would have prefered the ending to be Martha and Jonas being the cause of Marek's and Sonja's car accident. Surely the ending would have been totaly dark and very depressing. Because of your video, my "desire" for a darker conclusion reflected back at me like slap in the face. Thank you so much ! Your interpretation (+ referencing the authors) helped me a lot to accept the ending, since I can now see clearly the authors' intentions. The overall grey vision of how "our desires are trapping us but it doesn't mean we can't overcome them" is more realistic than "we are trapped no matter what in the loop of our desire", which I realise I wished for all this time until now. What I would add to the symbolism of the forces at work here : the driving force that keeps us in a "dark" loop is "desire", but the one that help's us overcome desire and reach the "light" is "sacrifice" (letting the desire go - sacrificing it). As you, I prefer Jantje Friese's point of view on the finale, in which sacrifice doesn't mean litteraly not exisiting for somone to be happy. The show litteraly show us that only if some people don't exist so can a few be happy shouldn't be interpreted litteraly. It's more about letting go a desire that defines us, can lead us to happiness. E.g. We desire somone, but letting go that desire might help us see and listen to the other one's deisre and there for would reach happiness with that other person by just "sharing life", which is full of grey moments of "who's desire should be listen to or put aside ?". All this sharing and listening of desires shapes our reality. I went deep there, but the subject kinda is aswell :D There is still a thing I'm not sure if I like it or not about the ending. Tannhaus get's his son back but hasn't personaly sacrifice his desire for a time machine, at least we don't realy see if he does since the scene just show a small moment of a happy eneding and doesn't show Tannhaus sacrificing anything to get his son back, other people sacrificed them selves for him to get it back. I think the biblical symbolism should be applied here, Marek says he saw "angels" top his dad. And I belive That the H.G. Tannhaus is a tribute to H.G. Wells who wrote the novella "The Time Machine" since without him this show wouldn't exist. Giving Tannhaus his family back for all his work on the time machine is a way for the authors to say "thanks for the inspiration you gave us H.G. Wells". I understand it in that way, but still I feel the end doesn't have much weight, it would have been nice to see Tannhaus actualy sacrificing something to get his son back. Anyways thanks again for this amazing analysis! After 2 years and a half, I'm finaly at rest with the ending since I can now word it satisfyingly and accept its meaning which I didn't see as grey as I saw it in your video. Very nice job !
My main problem with Dark is it spends an inordinate amount of time setting up the predeterministic model of time travel with bootstrap paradoxes and all, and drive home the idea that *you can't change the past* because it already happened and no matter what you do you are the result of it happening so it must happen the way it did; then ignores it and boom, Tannhaus IS able to change the past with a time machine (although indirectly, Jonas and Martha do it for him). The somewhat happy ending feels contradictory to everything prior.
@@rinmartell2678Let's face it, both would be valid endings, but I'm glad they chose the happy one. They even ended the series properly. In so many twisted stories I find myself asking questions, because not everything was resolved.
Glad you enjoyed it! I have a few other dark videos as well actually which you may enjoy (this is one of my more popular ones: th-cam.com/video/bOmBvsdWgME/w-d-xo.html)
This is incredibly interesting to me because of my own experiences and observations as an American who lived in Denmark for a number of years. There are many good things about Danish society. And those good things left me with a line of questioning that never left me. Why? How? Looking at the differences in my own culture and seeing so many positive aspects in Danish culture I was constantly looking for a way to “export” this good life to America. I went through so many iterations of thought and there are certainly many practical things one can point at. For example, Danes are far less litigious. Without that intense constant pressure and fear of lawsuits, things worked in more “forgiving” ways. But why were they so less litigious? I went through these questions and answers for several years but it was only as I began to contemplate how we might protect ourselves from general AI that the answer finally settled for me. From their earliest years, in the media they consume, to the lessons they learned at school and at home, Danes are taught to consider “the other.” A consistent drumbeat of the death of ego throughout Danish life has led them to accept “high” taxes so that “the other” is covered, can go to school, can get work, can retire, can be buried. There is, unsurprisingly, a flip side to this law of life in Denmark, and it’s called Jante’s law. Summed up, “don’t think you’re better than anyone else.” I think it’s easy to see how these two concepts relate, but it’s taken me close to 20 years to work this out. One might ask, if this kind of “self sacrifice,” is worth it. My own experiences tell me the answer is yes. Being willing to let go of our constant drive for self actualization can bring a real kind of happiness that is available to nearly every member of Danish society. And while I recognize what I’ve described is the anathema of what many Americans hold as the ideal of the rugged individualist, I can only say that as I look around, I think we, Americans, made the worse of the two bargains. What’s important to understand is that this isn’t some abstract idea of absolute reductionism into one or the other. Danes do a lot to enjoy themselves and do seek out their own happiness. But their foundation in the era I lived there, was one where they kept an eye on the “little one.” Made sure they got fed, got to school on time etc. When one sees these things worked out in life each day, it’s not some dogmatic existence, that I’m certain many would try to paint it as. To those that see “evil socialism” they know not of what they speak. There is a joy in giving to the other. To know you are contributing to the lives of all of those around you. And there is still room for competition and achievement, but in a vein that feels more pure, to be honest. When I listen to the theme of this show as you’ve described it, it feels like a reflection on that choice. I left Denmark around 2009 and I know there have been significant shifts in its politics since then. But hearing about this show suddenly made me wonder if someone was having this conversation again about our ego driving all that we do, or if we can step out of the way long enough to allow another to flourish. Thank you for this video, I found it immensely insightful.
Your interpretation of Dark seems interesting and deep to me and is detached from others that put too much emphasis on explaining the complications or entanglements that the characters suffer, but they do not go further. Talking about what dark is about desire is, I believe an attempt to see more deeply how human nature cannot escape the power of desire from her. As Freud said, desire and reason always go their separate ways. And from that point of view I fully agree with you. But I think the series also tries to investigate the matter of which reality and time are made. Play WITH THE IDEA OF DETERMINISM and with the idea of free will and that this comes through deep research on the nature of repetitions, either in a single time or in several, either in a life that did not see in different times , as in the series. Claudia chooses to be killed by Noah to continue with the circle, but before she travels to the future where Adam, in the more distant future, kills Marta again. And he is surprised that she was able to get out of the circle finding out what happened with Tanhaus, but that moment is not explained well, it is a kind of Deus ex machina. Beyond that I find very intelligent and profound your interpretation that allows us to open reflections on how following our desire beyond anything we end up repeating a tragic ending, in the same way that Oedipus trying to escape from his destiny ends up meeting him. Well done.
What i got while watching it, by around the end of S2 beginning S3, I got this sense, not just intellectual but quite embodied and visceral, that my situation, in my actual real life, although very difficult and painful, was somehow necessary within a scheme of reality that I cannot yet understand, and it helped me to accept my fate and embrace my destiny. It's hard to explain because it was a feeling realization not a logical explanation.
The ending for me might have been the cycle restarting, the end is the beginning and the beginning, the end. They both remember seeing themselves through the closet when they were much younger. So, they never changed a thing. Their child selves just saw them through the closet and they remember seeing themselves which means LOL, they are perpetuating the cycle and disappeared for dramatic effect, dfkm.
I think it is interesting that there is a modified version of The Emerald Tablet shown throughout the series. During my extensive conversations with beings of light including Thoth and The All, I've learned not just humans, but any souls can and do create anything they imagine as we are all sparks of The All. All of creation is like a soup of infinite possibilities coalescing into seemingly solid and discrete timelines and universes from our linear 3rd dimensional perspectives. This is the current metaphor I'm operating from that was suggested in a conversation I had with The Grand Central Sun. In order to experience what we've created with our imagination from our linear perspective requires additional steps, though.
OMG! I just finished Dark. I wanted to find somewhere where others had watched what I just watched. There aren’t enough nerds around here where I can share discussing this show.I absolutely loved it. It was slow to start but I was hooked by the fascinating story about time travel. I love Sci-fi and Dark delivers what fascinates me about futuristic concepts. What a complex story line. I had a bit of a hard time following who all the characters were especially because they kept changing from older and younger selves and because I have a memory of a gold fish. Great job by the writers, directors, actors and everyone who made this series possible.
When it comes to the question "If the cycle has been going on for infinite times, how come they were finally able to break it?" I have an interesting thought. What if this cycle was also the first one? What if the cycle was created with its past cycles, much like how in last-thursday-ism the universe came into existence only last thursday, but exists in such a way that all memories and evidence pointing towards a consistent past that never actually happened. In this sense the cycle we watched was the first one and was also stopped immediately, with all the infinite previous cycles only existing as false memories. It wouldn't change anything about the story, but I feel it's an interesting thought.
I think the writers left that open. Even when they talk about about and show the infinite trifecta symbol its 3 triangles interacting and looping around each other infinitely. That symbol serves as a metaphor for the 3 worlds as well. These writers know what they’re doing and they know for sure that the power going out in that end scene could very well be more than simple dejavu.
That's also very much what I thought! Of course there's the whole thing with Eve remembering finding her older self shot dead by Adam, but that's such a minor thing. To me, the "inifinite cycle" was more on how characters witnessed the same situations over and over again, but in different stages of their lives with new perspectives.
Have you ever watched Russian Doll? It's a different take on the theme of repeating cycles, with comedy and absurdity blended in. I don't want to spoil it by being specific, but one of your ideas figures prominently in it.
Dark series also shown reincarnation as a quantum Immortality concept, Katherina died in first world and reborns in second World, she then died in second World during apocalypse but her soul remembers her suffering during the lost of Mikkel that's why she was hugging Mikkel during apocalypse, Peter died in first world and reborns in second World, that's why he was feeling like he have met Jonas, when Jonas first time came to his world, because he have given him therapy, Martha have also born in second World that's why she was saying that when I met you Jonas I felt I met you before, Magnus Does all time travel thing with Jonas and reborns in second World and that's why he was satisfied during Apocalypse of second World because he have done so much work so his soul was satisfied. Similarly Francisca also done so much work and reborns in second second World and she was not having voice because she disrespected her sister who can't speak and her soul was also satisfied during Apocalypse of second World. but Jonas born again in his own universe but in Scrodinger cat theory, quantum immortality, that's why he never born in second World because he was always present in his world, his soul never gone their to reborn. But they all reborn in third world through different parents and reunited. The paradise. yes it may possible that quantum immortality concept of quantum physics can exist in real we just don't know that we are immortal and we will be become our Ulternate version of Scrodinger cat experiment, as Jonas felt something when he first read the letter of Martha, because he knows then only that The lines he said to real Martha can't be known by the Martha of other world. So it may be all version of all characters were past and future life of each other. And that is why he became Adam from Jonas. There is also a hint given in episode 5 of season 2 that in staring scene Middle Jonas dreamed where he is with Teenage Martha on bed and then suddenly Martha belly Ejects black liquid and that was their son, the origin, he was shocked because Adult jonas never goes to Martha for intercourse on bed , but because in true sense he goes to Martha world and died and reincarnated in alternate version. And this song just was playing during Stranger Jonas was on work, indicating that he is done dying
I like how there isn't any kind of rule that you can't interact with your past self cause you will both disintegrate or something. You can't really go to the past and announce 'i'm a time traveller' and change the course of history - not because there is some magic paradox that will physically stop you, but because people will think you're crazy lol.
This show repeatedly showed that trying to change something in the past is the cause for it to happen, so the logical ending would have been that Jonas and Martha were causing the death of Tannhaus family, sending him on his mission to create time travel which will split his reality.
Kept quoting Legacy of Kain watching this show. "How can this be, if history is immutable?" And definitely agree the matter comes down to "choice" over "desire".
It was really interesting to see some parallels with Buddhism in this video. Like how all beings are trapped in the eternal cycle of Samsara due to the fundamental reason being desire. And how by letting go of our desires and finally our very ego itself (anattā) we reach enlightenment. Which is something very similar to the dark ending, where you simply cease to exist by ending the reincarnation cycle.
The innate desire within us is something we developed during the course of life's experiences or even due to the nature of how we are wired and not something we chose. But we do have free will to choose whether to act on our inner desires and many times, succumbing to our desires will compromise on others around us or even lead us to a toxic cycle that harms ourselves. But if we all are able to resist our desires and consider the happiness of others or think about the long term consequences, we are able to break free from destructive patterns, the world might become a better place and hopefully we ourselves are able to find meaning and satisfaction from that despite not being able to do what we want. This is my interpretation and I'm thankful for your video as it helped me find meaningful closure from this show.
Shows like Dark offer different kinds of audiences different things, and that is what makes it such a successful show and Friese and Odar such genius filmmakers. Some people may not have the intellectual bandwidth to go beyond the family tree or keeping up with all the complex blood relations in the show. For them figuring out the 'what' and the 'how' is enough as it gives quite a lot of satisfaction to be honest along with the feel good factor of being able to crack such convulated storylines. However there are people (like you for instance) who want to go into the "why" question and boy what a joy it is to dwell on such fundamental questions (of free will vs determinism) of our existence. For the people interested in why, there's the added pleasure of being able to understand such deep but paradoxical existential truths and its so so satisfying. Makes you believe in the power of storytelling. Makes you believe in power of stories. Loved this video. Keep it up man ❣️
Nice review and analysis! I have been thinking about this series, but have not seen it, so your analysis gave me food for thought. "Why am I here?" is a question we each must address, I feel, if we are to find our place in the world and where we can best contribute.
Great video, thanks for the explanation, really helps me understand some of the key points, I got lost a few times 🙂 Hopefully they can bring a new experience to the screen, I loved having to think very hard on the actions and activities and keep everything moving forward; many shows these days spoon feed everyone and is just lazy, loved Dark, need to watch it again, now with a better understanding of what is happening, thank you!
This is one of my favorite shows all time. I'm not a big show person tho. For me after breaking bad and sea 1 of True Detective it's Dark and nothing eles..loved this show.
This show sounds deep! Makes sense about shedding one's ego & negative patterns to change life's course. I love shows that make me think so I'm sure I'll enjoy it except for having to read subtitles. Thanks for the summary 👍
I agree with you although I'd have to point out that Dark's debate on free will vs determinism unravels maybe not so much due to Tiedermann's desire as due to his grief. It seems like an unecessary rephrase but if you come and think about it, when dealing with grief and the inescapable results of loss, people let all meaningless "ifs" spread in their minds like cancer, creating metaphorically and (in Dark's case) quite literally deformed and interwoven realities. It's denial and escapism.
For me the entire plotline of this show was like the Bhuddist philophy of the Wheel (or the Cycle of Death and Rebirth) and how it is one's desires that keep a person on the wheel of reincarnation, and it is our ability to let these desires go that ends the cycle. For me the alternate worlds created by them being in this cycle were like being reincarnated to do the same thing over and over again and it is not until they realize they must free themselves of their desires that they are reelased from the cycle of death, rebirth, and death. This is how nirvana is reached. These people releasing themselves from the seires that hold them to the earth is supposed to be a happy moment.
I have recently been asking myself about the same question as to 'how did I come to be in this situation?', a situation I though I had good 'control' over, you know, don't do too much, do just enough, don't be mean, do something for others and be helpful, well it turned out I did exactly one action, and that was to follow my boss's order to go help another department, and I did help the other department, and they were super happy about my presence and decisions and doings, so it seemed I had taken the 'right' choices for the most common harmony, but maybe it was too much from me, or perhaps it was their misplaced jealousy or some other factor I didn't catch, but my former co-workers turned on me and stayed in their places, not working in protest and just fooling around on their phones for the rest of the day. Your actions alone, from your single point of view, are not enough to justify anything. They will influence by their mere presences and the original intentions might not find their results all the way to the end. And then, you are there, you sitting on a chair and ask yourself 'but how ? I thought I was doing ok, trying not to step on anyone's toes, trying to be useful, helpful, to earn my place not as a nuisance but as a meaningful agent for the 'better' of all, or most >.> But eventually, you gotta realize how small and big your actions are and how you can never truly predict the full reach of your decisions and actions, and sometimes, it's fkin hard to make any sens out of this beat, yup, at times, life and death eludes us all.
12:50 . The possibility itself definitely has plenty of examples all around us. It's not like we always like presence of people we live with by default and they bother us exclusively by behaving badly.
Everything in the series revolved around things consisting of 3 parts, but the fact that i never considered to be a 3rd world untill when it was revealed was stunning. It was right under my nose the entire time yet i didnt think of it.
This definitely helped me consider the finale on a deeper level, instead of just a wrap-up. I still think season 3 spent way too much time on the back and forth of, this is the answer, no they lied, this is really the answer, no they lied...and so on.
Yours is a great assessment. The central question in philosophy, of existence is the one on the nature of free will. Are we in our nature's free to think thoughts not bound by our 'biology', or are we subject to an ordered and lawfull set of ideals or concepts we don't fully understand.. In nature, animals, plant life is bound by instinct & the external physical world. Yet, even certain animals exhibit a type of behavior or response not normally regarded as entirely instinctual or due to their behavior within their species. The characters in both parallel world's did seem to follow certain negative and pre-determined sets of 'compulsions' - Claudia's character was just such a character. But then the pivotal moment came where she could perceive the inherent 'enclosed time loop' of both intersecting world's & the lives in them. The characters were caught up with this dim awareness of the Deja Vu of their circumstances. This was very well captured and played dramatically in the series. In Jonas & Marta we see this Christ like acceptance of the responsibility that they must fulfill for the sake of the future happiness of those who are caught up in their endless time jumps & they make the 'leap of faith' into a new, non-compulsive, and one would dare say, free willed decision to end their existence by changing the outcome of the event that would lead to two separate world's. To two existences fraught with anything-but free will and happiness. It's more than pleasurable to acknowledge a being could possess free will. In many ways the world has reduced us into automotons of indoctrination. The 'Great Reset' - The concept of our free will is a blessed light in our lives. 'Dark' is a good title for the series, it lends hope that there is truly a 'Light' at the end of the tunnel.
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Did you watch the dubbed version??😳
@@s1lverhawk Definitely not! Haha. I watched it with subs (for foreign film or TV, I always go for the subbed option if there is one). Afterward, I went back and listened to a few dubbed bits just to see how the English translation handled some of the character pronunciations.
Well explained but I think you might miss one important thing that what Dark actually about, it's world with religion and world without religion, i assume this concept from the name of two main characters Adam and Eve I think the show is about to tell that the concept of Adam and Eve is not actually exists and this is the cause of racism, gender discrimination, religious atrocities and inhuman behaviours.
The original world will be better without Adam and Eve.
Nah, nah, nah. Dark is really about being a message againt incest. So remember kids... Incest is bad! 😜
I always go for the dubbed version even though it ruins the acting and makes it seem fake and cheesy, but subtitles are so much more distracting to me.
So much of what the show was ultimately about was foreshadowed by Peter reciting the Serenity Prayer in the first episode: "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference."
Wow great observation!!
I’ll be honest…I’ve seen tons of theories and stuff about this show. This is 1 that I HAVE NOT seen!!! Great idea
Even better, the intro music tells you from ep 1 until the final episode when the intro comes true.
"Neither ever or never, goodbye"
And then god gifted him body
Amen. The whole time I watched this, I felt like these questions have been answered in text from antiquity, particularly though the gospels. Does it take Netflix content for us to discover the truth. Streams to the river I guess
In the end, Tannhaus succeeded: he created a machine that eventually saved his son’s family. That was his only desire, and even though it was achieved by an infinity of misery, it worked. What we experienced through the show was seeing just how the machine actually did it.
I’ll always think of Dark as the best hard-core time travel story (and yes, I acknowledge all that came before it, especially All You Zombies).
Thanks for the video! 🙏
This is how I read it too, almost like an algorithm trying infinite scenarios
@@bollemonster brilliant
such hard core time travel ends same as a marvel movie 😂 going back in time to save the day
Nice try and View, seriously, but i have to remark, that the Show is illogical and a success after an infinite tryout is Impossible, for it is infinite and by necessity, nothing about it can Change.
The Show therefore is Not the best hard-core time travel Story, although it is a very thrilling and outstandingly played one.
It is illogical, and therefore fails to show the real tragedy.
@@davsamp7301 you have said absolutely nothing
I loved how so many of the characters were constantly coming face to face with different versions of themselves and deceiving themselves in order to manipulate their past actions. I don't think I've ever seen that in a show about time travel. I've often wondered what I would say if I was given the chance to try to change things by making a phone call to my past self. I usually imagine that I would pass on wise advice from the lessons experience has taught me, and that my past self would eagerly listen. I never imagined what it might be like if my past and present selves had completely different goals and values. Maybe my past self was less like my present self than I remember. It's an interesting thought.
In life the biggest liar I know is myself to myself. The biggest manipulation is me To me. Not sure me as a child would recognise me as an adult.
If you read "By His Bootstraps" by Robert A. Heinlein you can see a character pretty much doing this throughout the story.
There’s no such thing as actual substantial self, it’s just a process that keeps to change, realizing this in one’s own body/mind/consciousness will bring about the realization of reality and of being in it’s pure unfiltered state
What you say about manipulating one's own actions reminds me a bit of the film Memento. That was not a time-travel story per se, but it was essentially told from end to beginning, and the protagonist's lack of continuity of consciousness severely altered the perception of causation, and therefor the flow of time.
You are not who you imagine yourself to be 👍
Their choice of actor was excellent in that I could follow the characters thru the ages because they looked so alike. It could have been far more confusing.
Casting is critical for all productions, but especially one like this. And yes, they nailed it.
Yes Ulrich and older Ulrich was 100% correct
@@nazliidris9052adult and old Ulrich were so perfect, it looked like they put a wig on the adult one.
@@playingindies6730 YOU'RE TELLING ME THEY'RE DIFFERENT ACTORS!?!?!?
@@kindofanmol middle age Ulrich is played by Oliver Masucci.
Old Ulrich by Winfried Glatzeder.
Right now Oliver is 55, which makes sense since in Dark s1 he is supposed to be 49
Winfried is 79.
Dark may be the best story I have ever experienced, in any media. The planning and execution is pristine. It's deep, intelligent, and emotional. The twists keep coming and there isn't a plot hole to be found. They also did an amazing job with the casting, it's easy to believe every character grouping is the same person. The only thing I don't like is in the end Hannah gets a happy ending. She was a selfish, horrible person from childhood and the decisions she made were not influenced by the others.. they were purely her own.
I agree, I much preferred Ulrich or Charlotte even to her, and he bashed a kid’s head in with a rock
Hannah's end was to be murdered by her own son.
You know that Hannah in the last scene at the dinner table isn't the same selfish, horrible Hannah, right? that's hannah from the original universe, there's not even ulrich in it, you can't assume she's like the hannah we've seen for most of the series
You could see from the way she was , she was a different, kinder Hannah.
@@Peaceshiet812 doesnt make it feel any less dissatisfying seeing her with a happy ending
the characters left at the table were only the ones who werent born within the loop in some way.. hannah's family wasnt part of it, so she remained. they all still express wishing winden didnt exist in the end so i feel like its more of a neutral ending than a happy one
I’ve actually wondered my entire life if my very existence ruined the lives of others. As if I was a mistake. So I really connected to that theme within the show and felt a sense of peace with their decision at the end.
But at the same time, hearing you say that philosophy is unhealthy hit me like a ton of bricks. Thanks for this commentary.
@Voice ForBoys It's funny, because I was raised Christian and had to leave it because to me it is entirely too tied with messages about shame and being unworthy of God's love. I needed to be grateful for it, because it was there, but the gratitude was necessary because I was so undeserving of it. I now understand this is not the core of Christianity, just the distortion that my teachers happened to present.
I've also learned that any spirituality can lead back to that essential truth: the logic you laid out so beautifully I've also seen explained by Hindus, Buddhists, Thelemites, Sufi Muslims and Neopagans. There is something, some transcendent and good thing underlying the universe, which loves us.
I have the same thoughts with my mum. She was 46 and her youngest child was 18 so she had the rest of her life to enjoy without any dependant children to worry about. Then she got pregnant with me, I’ve always felt like I’ve just stolen the last 20 years of her life raising me when she could have done so much
@@BigPurp9 if anything is their own fault , you didn't ask to be born
@@BigPurp9You aren't responsible for being born. Your comment presents you as a compassionate and sensitive person. You're a gift to the universe and you shouldn't feel guilty over your parents choices. There are people who need you. I don't want write pointless motivational phrases. I'm a pretty dark person and I don't believe in destiny. However, if the show has reminded us of anything it is that we never fully understand our role and importance. You can't burden yourself with things that were never up to you, and consider yourself as an inconvenience to others. I really do understand what you feel but we aren't responsible for lifes of people who brought us here.
Dark series also shown reincarnation as a quantum Immortality concept, Katherina died in first world and reborns in second World, she then died in second World during apocalypse but her soul remembers her suffering during the lost of Mikkel that's why she was hugging Mikkel during apocalypse, Peter died in first world and reborns in second World, that's why he was feeling like he have met Jonas, when Jonas first time came to his world, because he have given him therapy, Martha have also born in second World that's why she was saying that when I met you Jonas I felt I met you before, Magnus Does all time travel thing with Jonas and reborns in second World and that's why he was satisfied during Apocalypse of second World because he have done so much work so his soul was satisfied. Similarly Francisca also done so much work and reborns in second second World and she was not having voice because she disrespected her sister who can't speak and her soul was also satisfied during Apocalypse of second World. but Jonas born again in his own universe but in Scrodinger cat theory, quantum immortality, that's why he never born in second World because he was always present in his world, his soul never gone their to reborn. But they all reborn in third world through different parents and reunited. The paradise.
Jonas already showed in series 1 that he didn't 'think he was so important he had to exist' when he was about to bring Mikkel back to the present day to reunite him with Ulrich & Katarina. He did this knowing that Mikkel would never grow up to be his father and that this would mean he no longer existed. It was his older self who stopped him, but young Jonas always had that in him.
This show deserves all the recognition in the world! What a masterpiece! And great content as always. Love you and your channel! This show is extremely thought provoking - so many characters, so many perspectives and so many more possible explanations. Yours are the ones which I find the most satisfying. Keep up the good work friend. Love from India. :))
Agreed, what a great show! And thank you so much for the kind words!!!
Totally agree......I love Dark so much...that I'll love no other...lol
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Yes got myself and my Mom through quarantine. I was not excepting the twists
@@estalevina1513 😁🤗
I just watched the three seasons of Dark for the fourth time. Every time I watch it again, I understand the story better. I just wanted to add that even if characters changed their desires, like Jonas trying to hang himself, time itself intervened to keep the whole knot intact because nothing that violated the cause-and-effect patterns of such a determined knot could be allowed to happen. Only when time stopped for a moment could it be violated. Of course the people were miserable in such a closed universe, since they had free will and desires which were thwarted again and again by time itself. In that sense, the story seemed like it was more about characters being kept in line by their author and his or her story-logic than about the real world we inhabit. Still, I love time-travel stories and this one was the best!
The first in season was to difficult to understand. In general Like most show with a large cast it takes time for me to know and remember who people are. You don't who or what is significant. Add multiple people , time travel.
Same .I'm like half through my 3rd watch.
To me it's also a love story. Not a romantic love story, but familial love, love for humanity.
In a nutshell.
Nothing like it...
Para mi también, es amor PURO
In the end, incest saves the day - and the world.
Yup family love story
Omg, Dark is such a masterpiece of a show.
It is a grandiose production, both in acting and audio-visuals. But it is sadly illogical and therefore not brave and cunning enough to show the real tragedy.
I like how the phrase Jonas & Martha kept saying to each other was that they’re perfect for each other. Because that ultimately foreshadows where they come from. They were literally too perfect to be true.
Thank you for reminding us about this masterpiece and that the show is over. So sad it's over, but happy to say it's a top 3 of all time greatest shows.
Really was an incredible show. Hope 1899 can be just as good
@@OneTakeVids that’s exactly what I’m waiting for
What are your other two, if I may ask?
@@aidanbrown2955 yeah I'm curious too
I loved Dark. Is 1899 worth watching?
While Dark indeed tells the story of the battle between Fate/desire and free will -- 'We can do what we want but not will what we want' -- I think another significant theme -- whether intentional or not -- is that Love (symbolized in Jonas and Martha) is ultimately what "saves" us. It was the loss of Love (his family) that drove Tannhaus to create the time machine which spawned the two "cancerous" knotted worlds (symbolized in Regina), and it was Love in them that eventually freed the knot to save his family in the origin world. Love can both harm and save, but it is the primary principle of the Universe and ultimately does the latter.
Gott ist zeit. Nein. Gott ist liebe.
I do think the theme expresses that love is the primary principle of the universe but the good and bad it causes is balanced or up for interpretation. There still was so much harm created in trying to save his loved ones and Jonas and Martha will never get to love each other in existence after being reversed although Tannhaus now gets to watch his loved ones grow up. A sick twisted reality was generated to protect a love once lost.
@@rorocash1376 I find it interesting, love certainly is a very powerful motivator. 3 main themes in life could be written as:-
- I must be right
- I must get what I want
- I must be loved
these are not demands as such, but they are necessary in life to varying degrees.
Yes! ultimately the show is about our human nature, how/why/when we act and what drives us to do something, and this is portrayed mostly by the feeling of different types of love and how far people will go to achieve something under its name.
I’ve been thinking about this “creation of two worlds” part (how they split) and I realised something.
The only difference in alt-world(Martha’s world) is that Mikkel never travelled through the tunnel so Jonas doesn’t exist.
Then I thought about the fact-what started everything in Jonas’ world. And it was this - Mikkel travelling theough the tunnel and consequently people trying to find him, travelling as well … and Jonas sending himself a letter that his father left and the map and telling himself about time travel.
And then I remembered what Mikkel said. Jonas BROUGHT him through the tunnel. Which means Jonas is the one who started everything in his world by his free will to do this. (He caused the existence of himself so basically he created himself knowingly).
And then followed by Martha also telling herself about time travel (her older self sent Jonas to get her from her world). And she already had that apple travelling machine. She provoked Jonas with the apple to follow her and tricked him into having a baby (see the parallel with the Biblical story) and then tried to keep the baby alive. Causing all this events to happen and the world to be created and keep existing.
So older versions of Jonas and Martha were actually responsible for creation of the worlds (I mean as a consequence of Tannhouse opening the portal - he made it possible - so we can look at him as this sort of like God figure) and older versions of Jonas and Martha = Adam and Eve. So Adam and Eve were responsible for the creation of the worlds (by influencing their younger selves and ensuring their own existance) but God made it possible. There’s also the apple and baby and all that.
I think Eve’s storyline is particularly interesting because we don’t get to know, how all the time travelling developed in her world and how everyone was created (like Ulrich, Agnes …).
And in the end everything is stopped by the younger selves of Adam and Eve.
And Claudia plays the role of “knowledge” or “consciousness” impersonalised. We could also say that she gives then the knowledge about their free will in the situation. She gave Adam and Eve knowledge about where their actions would lead them so their young selves would stop it. I just thought about how we can compare her to Jesus (if we are doing a comparison to the Bible). The young versions would stop it and clear the world of “sin”.
And she also sacrifices herself in the process but survives.
That’s my comparison to the Biblical version.
I’m not Christian but I thought that might be interesting.
Oh and another little part. As I said before if we compare Tanhaus to God (because he created the tunnel and subsequently enabled the worlds to create themselves) - on the tunnel it says “Let there be light” which is how in the Bible God creates the world.
remember that martha could not exist if ulrich didn't exist, and ulrich is the son of Tronte, which is the son of Agnes, who was born from Bartosz from the world where Jonas exists. so without Jonas's world (a world where mikkel travels back in time), martha could not exist either! it's fucking insanity. the show is the definition of lifting yourself by your bootstraps. i love it. Nothing has an origin at all!
If Claudia is knowledge, then she’s the serpent, not Jesus… I really liked what you wrote there!
Extremely well said 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Claudia is not Jesus, she's the viper. But that's not a bad thing.
WELL DONE!
This show really asks and answers the big questions of existence. We need more art like this.
Agree.
Dark was truly one of those shows that exist when everything just works. The level of detail, the passion of cinematography, and the skillful acting all combined to create an experience that really drove us to chase each episode seeking resolution. I loved this show and was dismayed endlessly when Netflix cancelled the creators' next series, 1899.
I like how all of the episode until the last two kept perpetuating determinism only to end with the other side winning.
DARK is my absolute favorite series. Genius Storytelling with so amazing amount of twists and interconnections. Crazy masterpiece!
Well now I have to watch dark again. Great analysis.
Thanks Claire! It was really fun revisiting this series, so if you do rewatch, enjoy! :)
@@OneTakeVids I was thinking about the issue you raised about your life being better off gone in order to fix someone else's life. I wonder if maybe it's partially a cultural thing. Maybe not. But I think the idea that your life can be sacrificed to save many others is an old concept. It's not that their lives don't have value- it's that they chose to choose the greater good, and let go of ego, as you said.
This philosophy of similar to the philosophy of Buddhism " Desire is root of all suffering"
Is it desire? Or is it the actions (destructive) one takes for the fulfillment of a desire.
@@richierich7384Nope it is the desires themselves. Same in Hinduism. Bhagvad Gita is about doing your duty without desires and Yoga is about ways of controlling your desires. Indic religions, in fact, mostly revolve around the same concept. The concept of Nirvana (Freedom from the cycle of birth and death), reincarnation etc.
@@richierich7384 yeah it's the desires themselves. If you didn't desire you wouldn't do that action. It is very difficult to resist your desires.
Which is similar to Christianity in many ways. Desires lead to learning, but also suffering(Adam, Eve and the apple). So when you say suffering, it is not outright "bad" or "good", it is necessary and inevitable, the existance of one makes the other possible. It's important to understand this to grasp the meaning behind the story, or at least that's my (mostly chrisitian at least in culture) interpretation. Adam and Eve created a new world by their "suffering", but also they followed their hearts, their love as their motive. Adam's motive all along was to preserve his existence, just like Adam in the bible wanted to stay in paradise. But in the end they give this motive up, they accept their death so that other worlds may exist peacefully. It is not a direct parallel to the Adam and Eve story but most religions and fate and desire as a whole. And quantum infinity. Such a gem of a series.
Lord Varys comes to mind. He said something similar a few times in the show (GOT).
I love your reference to "Lost" at the beginning of this video. I was thinking the exact thing about half way through this series. It was like what "Lost" could have been if the writers had actually had a plan and through line.
Greatest series ever. Hit all of the triggers and gates at exactly the right pace. The worst thing about DARK was waiting for the next season. THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL SERIES. I hope 1899 is just a fantastic.
wait they are continuing the Dark story
@@PerkingBJ It's an entirely different story, but with a similar feel and some of the same themes, I would say.
and also a few actors from dark are in 1899 :)
and they pulled the plug on 1899 dammit!
I'm so obsessed with Dark and I've watched it several times and I've watched many videos breaking the series down. This video is top tier! Truly well done.
same it’s so good literally
One of my favourite TV shows of all time. Truly an incredible production on so many levels.
Great episode, Gil.....After watching Dark several times, I came up with the conclusion that it is a story of hope, not doom. In the end, when Jonas repeats "We're a perfect match...never believe anything else", it is not just a declaration of his love for Marta, but almost like he is stating another law of physics-- Love, that irrational bond between two people-- might be powerful enough to be another physical law of the universe. Like the quantum world, where particles break all the rules of classical physics, so too does love....Love is what binds them together, and why they will exist in the origin world......
The more I watched, the more I saw the clues that Bo Odar and Friese left for us to find which prove this:
* Read Marta's letter again....I mean, REALLY read it--- there is a lot of foreshadowing about their fate at the end. One line in particular..." Jonas, you must let me die, so I can live. We have to let some things go before they find their way back to us. We are a perfect match....never believe anything else.".....Think about it...
* Ariadne's speech--- When Marta recites "A thread, red like blood, that connects all our deeds....He severed ours, with the sharpest blade.....Yet something remains, an invisible bond, that can never be severed", not only are the writers referring to the string the Ariadne gave Theseus, they are also referring to the Asian philosophy of the "Red Thread of Fate". According to it, two lovers who are connected by the thread "are destined to be together, regardless of time, place, or any circumstance. No matter what obstacle lies in front of them, the string will never break.”
*The photo of Claudia and Bernd at the end----- Take a good look at the photo....There's a hidden reason why the camera panned on it at the end. In the origin world, the writers want to show you that Bernd is the father of Regina....but they also want you to know that despite the huge age difference between them, that they are not impossible this new world....and neither will Jonas and Marta. There is some foreshadowing of this in the episode where Jonas and Alt Marta go to her future and meet with Stranger Marta in the bunker.....She says to Jonas, "In this world, you two are NOT impossible!".....not in this world, not in any world.....It's almost as if the photo of Claudia and Bernd are telling Jonas and Marta...."You TOO are not impossible in this world"....
Perhaps I'm wrong, of course....the beauty of Dark is that it is so ambiguous and is open for many interpretations.....But one thing is certain...
Jonas will never lose your thread, Ariadne.....Nor will I........Nor will any of us........
Thank you. I agree with you 100%!!!!
@@patriciamayhew6321 We meet again, Patricia!....you know Gil's channel...that's awesome!
@@vickdisco yes, following up my incredible fascination with DARK.
Thanks for sharing these thoughts Vick! The idea of Jonas and Martha being entangled like particles through some elemental force of love definitely resonates with me. I think that’s also why they had them see eachother as children when they were given a glimpse of the bridge between worlds.
Also, it’s hard to scientifically explain how their family tree started… i.e., how can Charlotte exist to birth Elisabeth before Elisabeth births her? The whole bootstrap paradox issue. But, I think DARK shows us the power of love and desire as fundamental forces of nature which bring Jonas, Martha, and the rest into existence.
@@OneTakeVids Totally agree with you, Gil....It took me awhile to figure it out, but the clues are there...and probably many more...that's the beauty of this story....
I JUST FINISHED WATCHING THE SHOW AHHH THE SHOW IS LITERALLY SO AMAZING
I believe that the patterns of behaviours is actually well shown throughout the series: some characters keep tendencies they have no matter what universe or time they are in, which ties them well to their own psyches and choices. Else for the rest, I really like your take on it 👍🏻
Your take is totally legit. I've watched this series three times and I'm still not sure I've picked everything up. But what I will say: BEST German TV show in German history.
man... this show had my head spinning around the first time i watched. Its really complex in the physics , the psychological and the emotional aspects
Maybe the real dark is the family members we make along the way
When you mention that things happened an infinite number of times, I think that's maybe not the right way to think about it. I think it's probably more useful to think about it as the whole time loop coming into existence at the same time, and while the ends are connected together, it's meaningless to ask how many times it happened. It's just one loop. An observer can traverse the loop some number of times, but the loop itself doesn't go anywhere, it just is. Each event in the timeline is a unique point in spacetime - there aren't an arbitrary number of identical copies of each event.
Think about this: if the above is wrong and the time loop didn't come into existence at once, one part of it must have come first. But that doesn't make sense, because every part of the time loop is dependent on both past and future events. No part of it could've come first.
As for the escape out of the loop, there's a reveal at the end that both Jonas and Martha saw each other escaping the loop as adults when they were children. That escape didn't happen after an arbitrary number of loops, it always happened.
The big plot hole, in my opinion, is characters fading out of existence at the end Back To the Future style. That just doesn't make sense: if Jonas' and Martha's worlds are ended by preventing the deaths of Tannhaus' family, then the whole world should disappear from existence, not just the people. Also, I think logically, for the original world to have been restored, Jonas and Martha's timeline has to stay happened, because otherwise it's unstable. The tragedy caused the time loop that prevented the tragedy, so you can't erase the time loop after preventing the tragedy because you're back to square one. But on the other hand, I think the decision works narratively, emotionally, and visually. It would've been more logical if the timeloops continued to exist, but it's probably a better story if they don't.
It all adds up, you might of not put all the Pieces together yet in your mind.
When Jonas and Martha traveled to the origin-reality and prevented the origin that stemmed off into their respectful worlds. Jonas and Martha’s realities didn’t exactly just collide back into the original timeline in the very beginning’beginning. Instead, Jonas & Martha created a branched Timeline of the first Original-Reality. That is the same as the end origin world/reality except one event and that is the prevention of the accident that led to the series. While Jonas & Martha gets to always exist forever-on externally in those last minutes before they fade into Time/God. And they will always be in those minutes because all of history exists InTangent.
Though anyway the original-first timeline of witch the accident that led to ‘A Series of Unfortunate Events’ that occurred also still happened. Still that led to a infinite amount of loops and bye infinite ♾ I also mean One. Like a circle ⭕️ has just One side, though yet also infinite sides. And after enough quantum fluctuations, example showed on Atam’s wall in 1921, there was a document that showed how the cycle fluctuates enough that after so many unnoticeably small fluctuations. it eventually only takes one cycle for one potential major event to shift it into another loop, witch variates it even more from the last. I believe that is how Claudia let Jonas & Martha trough Adam to delete time-travel in the end/beginning anyway. I understand from the first season that the scientists book could not have originally been a Bootstrap-Paradox. I understand a chicken does not hatch before the egg is laid! There had to of been an earlier cycle that leads it up to the evens we saw when season 1 begun, with that eventually led to the Time-Apparatus, which had to have been in effect in a earlier loop🔁for the Time-sphere to be created in Martha’s reality. The Time-Chair in the first season was a necessary step that had to occur for the passage to be split into 3 different time periods separated bye exactly 33 years because of the events from the Origin & nuclear power plants pre’series-Incident. Even know Hanno aka Noah had the Time-Apparatus though making the time-chair was required for the next faze of Quantum-Alternating-Cycles that lead to it in the end/beginning, thanks to the handy-dandy magic Time-Sphere effects Jonas & Martha to conceive the origin-child that in return is destined to return to the beginning of the knot to father Tronte in both worlds, and there for the rest of the Nelson family-line after and also the Dopplers too & back around and over again. Jonas is his own ‘great great great Great grand father! With also every other character somehow genetically-related & or Intertwined with him trough time.
Apologies if this is confusing It’s difficult for me to explain and I wasn’t planning on typing out a long comment for this.
But in a short the original reality and the origin reality that Jonas & Martha appeared into then disappeared out of is two different timelines that exist InTangent.♾.
Dark is the best series I’ve ever watched.
I’ll never believe anything else.
facts
I see what you did there
Glaub nie etwas anderes.
That series and their creators was a masterpiece and if Netflix hadn't started to favor bubblegum garbage against real content like this, "1899" would have been the worthy successor of "Dark"
Seriously this show made Lost look more like an episode of the Micky Mouse Club in comparison ☺
Hahaha I do not disagree
Thank you for your work !! 'Dark' = 'Romeo and Juliet' in the 'Emerald Table'.
Can we choose our emotions? Can we choose our choices?
It's not easy to get into this story.
It's interesting to discover so much humanity in such a complex narrative. The series is totally inspired by the alchemical text, the temporal paradoxes are (from what I have been able to analyze so far...) well managed. We have fun following the various characters, words, places and objects. And it remains deeply human. The Emerald Table text is followed completely. The whole being understandable and the separate parts totally obscure. The result is a sum of choral reflections on destiny. Adam and Eve, Ariadne and the Minotaur, Romeo and Juliet and Oedipus everywhere but consistent. Each character teaches us. The first alchemical operation is dark work.
It's not easy to get out of this story.
I think that "Time and Free Will: An Essay on the Immediate Data of Consciousness" by Henri Bergson helps understand the conception of free will that the show roots for. It's related to the way we experience time (as undivided) as opposed to the way we represent it. You might want to read it. :)
I would say that Dark is about parenthood - especially of how heartbreaking it can be. Every major plot point was about the parent/child relationship.
Absolutely. I've argued with people that this show is about parent(s)' love for a child. Every major character is somehow wanting the best for their child. This point is driven home in S3 when we see the whole reason this thing started was Tannhaus building the time machine because of the loss of his child/family.
@@travisgonzales4432 As well as that, Claudia's love for Regina is what leads to her breaking the loop
I am a determinist and I love how Dark explores those concepts in an enjoyable way for the average viewer.
Critics are not talking about how time (in a loop space) in dark is actually a whole character in itself. The show personified past, present and future events and people in it, as if those things live on independently in an eternal vacum of time and space. This was mentioned in a few episodes. Remember when the person in the 1800's said that people don't die in reality (also the lady narrator mentions this) that they actually stay eternally in a moment in time forever. So in theory, the loop was never undone. Maybe the loop was excited but not erase from the memory of time. After all the infinity loop sign is on top of the characters tree map.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little bit disappointed that the ending didn't result in them causing the car crash, resulting in yet another loop. I just really wanted the show to keep going. Absolutely brilliant!
When you think about it… they caused the car crash infinite times, simply by NOT being in the origin world 😉
That would be ridiculous. They just realized the third wotld. Being in the origin first time cannot cause the loop to continue.
@@AR99RA that’s not what I’m saying. Read my post again 😉
Its the schrodinger's cat experiment's other version. What happens when Tannhaus family dies, it leads to the creation of two new world. How to stop this loop ? They should not die. I also loved the fact that such a complicated mess was created by a simple thing as a fathers love for his son
This show was such a unique ride, never losing momentum, great characters, and a storyline which was meant to plunge us into chaos. They were successful.
In a word, this show was about hell. It was a show which never let up on feelings of despair and hopelessness....a Neverending maze l, with no way out.
I found Dark exhausting to watch, mainly due to the characters’ sisyphean efforts to change outcome. But this exhaustion made the show stand out from other shows about time travel. The existential dread was palpable; you almost knew they were going to fail. But the will of the characters to overcome fate made the show insanely compelling to watch.
Another thought that crosses the mind after watching dark - is that people with the intellect over feelings end up driving those who have feeling above all: Claudia essentailly drives this all to conclusion, not Jonas and Martha. Yes you can say that Jonas & Martha ultimately sacrificed their existence to untie "the knot", but without Claudia they seem perpetuate the same set of cycles... Remember how clueless Adam looked when he thought that he would end it by erasing young pregnant Martha...
I'm one year and a half late to the party, but OMG you totaly cracked it for me ! Thank you so much for your work on this video !
This is gonna be long, but I have a few things I'd also like to add, so here it goes :
Before I watched your video, I personnaly would have prefered the ending to be Martha and Jonas being the cause of Marek's and Sonja's car accident. Surely the ending would have been totaly dark and very depressing. Because of your video, my "desire" for a darker conclusion reflected back at me like slap in the face. Thank you so much !
Your interpretation (+ referencing the authors) helped me a lot to accept the ending, since I can now see clearly the authors' intentions.
The overall grey vision of how "our desires are trapping us but it doesn't mean we can't overcome them" is more realistic than "we are trapped no matter what in the loop of our desire", which I realise I wished for all this time until now.
What I would add to the symbolism of the forces at work here : the driving force that keeps us in a "dark" loop is "desire", but the one that help's us overcome desire and reach the "light" is "sacrifice" (letting the desire go - sacrificing it).
As you, I prefer Jantje Friese's point of view on the finale, in which sacrifice doesn't mean litteraly not exisiting for somone to be happy. The show litteraly show us that only if some people don't exist so can a few be happy shouldn't be interpreted litteraly. It's more about letting go a desire that defines us, can lead us to happiness. E.g. We desire somone, but letting go that desire might help us see and listen to the other one's deisre and there for would reach happiness with that other person by just "sharing life", which is full of grey moments of "who's desire should be listen to or put aside ?". All this sharing and listening of desires shapes our reality. I went deep there, but the subject kinda is aswell :D
There is still a thing I'm not sure if I like it or not about the ending. Tannhaus get's his son back but hasn't personaly sacrifice his desire for a time machine, at least we don't realy see if he does since the scene just show a small moment of a happy eneding and doesn't show Tannhaus sacrificing anything to get his son back, other people sacrificed them selves for him to get it back.
I think the biblical symbolism should be applied here, Marek says he saw "angels" top his dad. And I belive That the H.G. Tannhaus is a tribute to H.G. Wells who wrote the novella "The Time Machine" since without him this show wouldn't exist. Giving Tannhaus his family back for all his work on the time machine is a way for the authors to say "thanks for the inspiration you gave us H.G. Wells". I understand it in that way, but still I feel the end doesn't have much weight, it would have been nice to see Tannhaus actualy sacrificing something to get his son back.
Anyways thanks again for this amazing analysis! After 2 years and a half, I'm finaly at rest with the ending since I can now word it satisfyingly and accept its meaning which I didn't see as grey as I saw it in your video. Very nice job !
My main problem with Dark is it spends an inordinate amount of time setting up the predeterministic model of time travel with bootstrap paradoxes and all, and drive home the idea that *you can't change the past* because it already happened and no matter what you do you are the result of it happening so it must happen the way it did; then ignores it and boom, Tannhaus IS able to change the past with a time machine (although indirectly, Jonas and Martha do it for him). The somewhat happy ending feels contradictory to everything prior.
I always thought it, for me the perfect ending would be if Jonas and Marta caused the car accident they were trying to avoid.
@@tortadechocolatecommorangoThat would have been such a cliche
@@tortadechocolatecommorango Whoa...that would've been good!!
@@rinmartell2678Let's face it, both would be valid endings, but I'm glad they chose the happy one.
They even ended the series properly. In so many twisted stories I find myself asking questions, because not everything was resolved.
found you through Better Call Saul and little did I know you have a video about my favorite show of all time. what a treat
Glad you enjoyed it! I have a few other dark videos as well actually which you may enjoy (this is one of my more popular ones: th-cam.com/video/bOmBvsdWgME/w-d-xo.html)
This is incredibly interesting to me because of my own experiences and observations as an American who lived in Denmark for a number of years.
There are many good things about Danish society. And those good things left me with a line of questioning that never left me.
Why? How?
Looking at the differences in my own culture and seeing so many positive aspects in Danish culture I was constantly looking for a way to “export” this good life to America.
I went through so many iterations of thought and there are certainly many practical things one can point at.
For example, Danes are far less litigious. Without that intense constant pressure and fear of lawsuits, things worked in more “forgiving” ways. But why were they so less litigious?
I went through these questions and answers for several years but it was only as I began to contemplate how we might protect ourselves from general AI that the answer finally settled for me.
From their earliest years, in the media they consume, to the lessons they learned at school and at home, Danes are taught to consider “the other.” A consistent drumbeat of the death of ego throughout Danish life has led them to accept “high” taxes so that “the other” is covered, can go to school, can get work, can retire, can be buried.
There is, unsurprisingly, a flip side to this law of life in Denmark, and it’s called Jante’s law.
Summed up, “don’t think you’re better than anyone else.” I think it’s easy to see how these two concepts relate, but it’s taken me close to 20 years to work this out.
One might ask, if this kind of “self sacrifice,” is worth it. My own experiences tell me the answer is yes. Being willing to let go of our constant drive for self actualization can bring a real kind of happiness that is available to nearly every member of Danish society. And while I recognize what I’ve described is the anathema of what many Americans hold as the ideal of the rugged individualist, I can only say that as I look around, I think we, Americans, made the worse of the two bargains.
What’s important to understand is that this isn’t some abstract idea of absolute reductionism into one or the other. Danes do a lot to enjoy themselves and do seek out their own happiness. But their foundation in the era I lived there, was one where they kept an eye on the “little one.” Made sure they got fed, got to school on time etc. When one sees these things worked out in life each day, it’s not some dogmatic existence, that I’m certain many would try to paint it as. To those that see “evil socialism” they know not of what they speak. There is a joy in giving to the other. To know you are contributing to the lives of all of those around you. And there is still room for competition and achievement, but in a vein that feels more pure, to be honest.
When I listen to the theme of this show as you’ve described it, it feels like a reflection on that choice. I left Denmark around 2009 and I know there have been significant shifts in its politics since then. But hearing about this show suddenly made me wonder if someone was having this conversation again about our ego driving all that we do, or if we can step out of the way long enough to allow another to flourish.
Thank you for this video, I found it immensely insightful.
Your interpretation of Dark seems interesting and deep to me and is detached from others that put too much emphasis on explaining the complications or entanglements that the characters suffer, but they do not go further. Talking about what dark is about desire is, I believe an attempt to see more deeply how human nature cannot escape the power of desire from her. As Freud said, desire and reason always go their separate ways. And from that point of view I fully agree with you. But I think the series also tries to investigate the matter of which reality and time are made. Play WITH THE IDEA OF DETERMINISM and with the idea of free will and that this comes through deep research on the nature of repetitions, either in a single time or in several, either in a life that did not see in different times , as in the series. Claudia chooses to be killed by Noah to continue with the circle, but before she travels to the future where Adam, in the more distant future, kills Marta again. And he is surprised that she was able to get out of the circle finding out what happened with Tanhaus, but that moment is not explained well, it is a kind of Deus ex machina. Beyond that I find very intelligent and profound your interpretation that allows us to open reflections on how following our desire beyond anything we end up repeating a tragic ending, in the same way that Oedipus trying to escape from his destiny ends up meeting him. Well done.
What i got while watching it, by around the end of S2 beginning S3, I got this sense, not just intellectual but quite embodied and visceral, that my situation, in my actual real life, although very difficult and painful, was somehow necessary within a scheme of reality that I cannot yet understand, and it helped me to accept my fate and embrace my destiny. It's hard to explain because it was a feeling realization not a logical explanation.
This show is a masterpiece! Thank You for reminding me about this again
Men haven't even finished the video yet and I think it's one of the best explanations of this amazing series, thank you!
Thank you for the kind words Frank!
The ending for me might have been the cycle restarting, the end is the beginning and the beginning, the end.
They both remember seeing themselves through the closet when they were much younger.
So, they never changed a thing.
Their child selves just saw them through the closet and they remember seeing themselves which means LOL, they are perpetuating the cycle and disappeared for dramatic effect, dfkm.
Inside their own universes.
@@iamdanyboy1 what do you mean? I thought that Martha and Jonas don’t exist anymore?
its a happy ending for a reason, because the cycle of suffering ended and love prevailed
OMG 😱 this has blown my mind i’ve never thought about this
I think it is interesting that there is a modified version of The Emerald Tablet shown throughout the series. During my extensive conversations with beings of light including Thoth and The All, I've learned not just humans, but any souls can and do create anything they imagine as we are all sparks of The All. All of creation is like a soup of infinite possibilities coalescing into seemingly solid and discrete timelines and universes from our linear 3rd dimensional perspectives. This is the current metaphor I'm operating from that was suggested in a conversation I had with The Grand Central Sun. In order to experience what we've created with our imagination from our linear perspective requires additional steps, though.
Tannhause essentially locked up all the characters in a jail until they came up with a solution to reverse his family's death.
Whole German Philosophers,
would love to see such a series.
Finally, a TH-camr smart enough to explain this show to me (because I am way too dumb to really grasp it.)
hahaha thank you Liz, thought it probably has less to do with my intelligence and more that I’ve watched and thought about this show waaay too much 😄
@@OneTakeVids Well whatever you're doing it really works, so please keep it up! Your breakdown of The Green Knight was absolutely marvelous.
OMG! I just finished Dark. I wanted to find somewhere where others had watched what I just watched. There aren’t enough nerds around here where I can share discussing this show.I absolutely loved it. It was slow to start but I was hooked by the fascinating story about time travel. I love Sci-fi and Dark delivers what fascinates me about futuristic concepts. What a complex story line. I had a bit of a hard time following who all the characters were especially because they kept changing from older and younger selves and because I have a memory of a gold fish. Great job by the writers, directors, actors and everyone who made this series possible.
When it comes to the question "If the cycle has been going on for infinite times, how come they were finally able to break it?" I have an interesting thought. What if this cycle was also the first one?
What if the cycle was created with its past cycles, much like how in last-thursday-ism the universe came into existence only last thursday, but exists in such a way that all memories and evidence pointing towards a consistent past that never actually happened.
In this sense the cycle we watched was the first one and was also stopped immediately, with all the infinite previous cycles only existing as false memories.
It wouldn't change anything about the story, but I feel it's an interesting thought.
I think the writers left that open. Even when they talk about about and show the infinite trifecta symbol its 3 triangles interacting and looping around each other infinitely. That symbol serves as a metaphor for the 3 worlds as well. These writers know what they’re doing and they know for sure that the power going out in that end scene could very well be more than simple dejavu.
That's also very much what I thought! Of course there's the whole thing with Eve remembering finding her older self shot dead by Adam, but that's such a minor thing. To me, the "inifinite cycle" was more on how characters witnessed the same situations over and over again, but in different stages of their lives with new perspectives.
Have you ever watched Russian Doll? It's a different take on the theme of repeating cycles, with comedy and absurdity blended in. I don't want to spoil it by being specific, but one of your ideas figures prominently in it.
Dark series also shown reincarnation as a quantum Immortality concept, Katherina died in first world and reborns in second World, she then died in second World during apocalypse but her soul remembers her suffering during the lost of Mikkel that's why she was hugging Mikkel during apocalypse, Peter died in first world and reborns in second World, that's why he was feeling like he have met Jonas, when Jonas first time came to his world, because he have given him therapy, Martha have also born in second World that's why she was saying that when I met you Jonas I felt I met you before, Magnus Does all time travel thing with Jonas and reborns in second World and that's why he was satisfied during Apocalypse of second World because he have done so much work so his soul was satisfied. Similarly Francisca also done so much work and reborns in second second World and she was not having voice because she disrespected her sister who can't speak and her soul was also satisfied during Apocalypse of second World. but Jonas born again in his own universe but in Scrodinger cat theory, quantum immortality, that's why he never born in second World because he was always present in his world, his soul never gone their to reborn. But they all reborn in third world through different parents and reunited. The paradise.
yes it may possible that quantum immortality concept of quantum physics can exist in real we just don't know that we are immortal and we will be become our Ulternate version of Scrodinger cat experiment, as Jonas felt something when he first read the letter of Martha, because he knows then only that The lines he said to real Martha can't be known by the Martha of other world. So it may be all version of all characters were past and future life of each other. And that is why he became Adam from Jonas.
There is also a hint given in episode 5 of season 2 that in staring scene Middle Jonas dreamed where he is with Teenage Martha on bed and then suddenly Martha belly Ejects black liquid and that was their son, the origin, he was shocked because Adult jonas never goes to Martha for intercourse on bed , but because in true sense he goes to Martha world and died and reincarnated in alternate version.
And this song just was playing during Stranger Jonas was on work, indicating that he is done dying
I like how there isn't any kind of rule that you can't interact with your past self cause you will both disintegrate or something. You can't really go to the past and announce 'i'm a time traveller' and change the course of history - not because there is some magic paradox that will physically stop you, but because people will think you're crazy lol.
This show repeatedly showed that trying to change something in the past is the cause for it to happen,
so the logical ending would have been that Jonas and Martha were causing the death of Tannhaus family,
sending him on his mission to create time travel which will split his reality.
Kept quoting Legacy of Kain watching this show. "How can this be, if history is immutable?" And definitely agree the matter comes down to "choice" over "desire".
As a huge fan of this series I say: spectacular and accurate analyses, BRAVO!!!
14:48 ...RAMBLE...noo. This video is the best one about the meaning of dark.
It was really interesting to see some parallels with Buddhism in this video. Like how all beings are trapped in the eternal cycle of Samsara due to the fundamental reason being desire. And how by letting go of our desires and finally our very ego itself (anattā) we reach enlightenment. Which is something very similar to the dark ending, where you simply cease to exist by ending the reincarnation cycle.
The innate desire within us is something we developed during the course of life's experiences or even due to the nature of how we are wired and not something we chose. But we do have free will to choose whether to act on our inner desires and many times, succumbing to our desires will compromise on others around us or even lead us to a toxic cycle that harms ourselves. But if we all are able to resist our desires and consider the happiness of others or think about the long term consequences, we are able to break free from destructive patterns, the world might become a better place and hopefully we ourselves are able to find meaning and satisfaction from that despite not being able to do what we want.
This is my interpretation and I'm thankful for your video as it helped me find meaningful closure from this show.
Love this
Your desire to resist your desires is a desire itself. You want to resist your desires. Do you choose to want that?
Shows like Dark offer different kinds of audiences different things, and that is what makes it such a successful show and Friese and Odar such genius filmmakers. Some people may not have the intellectual bandwidth to go beyond the family tree or keeping up with all the complex blood relations in the show. For them figuring out the 'what' and the 'how' is enough as it gives quite a lot of satisfaction to be honest along with the feel good factor of being able to crack such convulated storylines. However there are people (like you for instance) who want to go into the "why" question and boy what a joy it is to dwell on such fundamental questions (of free will vs determinism) of our existence. For the people interested in why, there's the added pleasure of being able to understand such deep but paradoxical existential truths and its so so satisfying. Makes you believe in the power of storytelling. Makes you believe in power of stories. Loved this video. Keep it up man ❣️
Nice review and analysis! I have been thinking about this series, but have not seen it, so your analysis gave me food for thought. "Why am I here?" is a question we each must address, I feel, if we are to find our place in the world and where we can best contribute.
Baruch Spinoza said: "We don't want something because we think it's good, but we think it's good because we want it."
How woller lost his eye still remains unanswered
Thank you for talking about the philosophy of the movie!!! In the end I also felt that the movie is all about this and not time traveling
Loved this. Thank you, this is so good!!
Thanks!!
I have never been haunted by a show before, this one permanently changed me.
one of my absolute favourite shows/peace of cinematography i've seen , this video made it even better diving deep down into it !
This show is such a MASTERPIECE i always cry while ranting and shoving to people's face how they should watch this.
This show just might be the best one, ever.
Best series ive ever watched and i have doubts that it will ever be topped
There cannot be another series like DARK. Before there was Breaking Bad.
The idea that the existence of ones self being in the way of other peoples happiness i think is very real, a great show, 9.9/10
I really love this show. This is definitely one of Netflix's gem.
Great video, thanks for the explanation, really helps me understand some of the key points, I got lost a few times 🙂 Hopefully they can bring a new experience to the screen, I loved having to think very hard on the actions and activities and keep everything moving forward; many shows these days spoon feed everyone and is just lazy, loved Dark, need to watch it again, now with a better understanding of what is happening, thank you!
sad there weren't 33 seasons
Its ok to finish with 3 seasons of near perfection than 33 seasons of failure 😊
33 episodes in 3 seasons, it would be perfection
You can watch it 11 times 😅
I would have lost my mind, or after season 20 I would have realized that I was my father and that in itself is insanity 😅
Season 1 was phenomenal. Season 2 kept it going in a great direction. Season 3 dropped the ball though in my opinion.
I agree, it was still good, but introducing a whole parallel universe, new characters and so many storylines made it feel too rushed.
This is one of my favorite shows all time. I'm not a big show person tho. For me after breaking bad and sea 1 of True Detective it's Dark and nothing eles..loved this show.
This show sounds deep! Makes sense about shedding one's ego & negative patterns to change life's course. I love shows that make me think so I'm sure I'll enjoy it except for having to read subtitles. Thanks for the summary 👍
Hey hannah. Good to know that you have a nice character in the origin world. I hated you in Adam's World
Best show on Netflix
I agree with you although I'd have to point out that Dark's debate on free will vs determinism unravels maybe not so much due to Tiedermann's desire as due to his grief. It seems like an unecessary rephrase but if you come and think about it, when dealing with grief and the inescapable results of loss, people let all meaningless "ifs" spread in their minds like cancer, creating metaphorically and (in Dark's case) quite literally deformed and interwoven realities. It's denial and escapism.
For me the entire plotline of this show was like the Bhuddist philophy of the Wheel (or the Cycle of Death and Rebirth) and how it is one's desires that keep a person on the wheel of reincarnation, and it is our ability to let these desires go that ends the cycle. For me the alternate worlds created by them being in this cycle were like being reincarnated to do the same thing over and over again and it is not until they realize they must free themselves of their desires that they are reelased from the cycle of death, rebirth, and death. This is how nirvana is reached. These people releasing themselves from the seires that hold them to the earth is supposed to be a happy moment.
I have recently been asking myself about the same question as to 'how did I come to be in this situation?', a situation I though I had good 'control' over, you know, don't do too much, do just enough, don't be mean, do something for others and be helpful, well it turned out I did exactly one action, and that was to follow my boss's order to go help another department, and I did help the other department, and they were super happy about my presence and decisions and doings, so it seemed I had taken the 'right' choices for the most common harmony, but maybe it was too much from me, or perhaps it was their misplaced jealousy or some other factor I didn't catch, but my former co-workers turned on me and stayed in their places, not working in protest and just fooling around on their phones for the rest of the day.
Your actions alone, from your single point of view, are not enough to justify anything. They will influence by their mere presences and the original intentions might not find their results all the way to the end. And then, you are there, you sitting on a chair and ask yourself 'but how ? I thought I was doing ok, trying not to step on anyone's toes, trying to be useful, helpful, to earn my place not as a nuisance but as a meaningful agent for the 'better' of all, or most >.>
But eventually, you gotta realize how small and big your actions are and how you can never truly predict the full reach of your decisions and actions, and sometimes, it's fkin hard to make any sens out of this beat, yup, at times, life and death eludes us all.
12:50 . The possibility itself definitely has plenty of examples all around us. It's not like we always like presence of people we live with by default and they bother us exclusively by behaving badly.
Just watched and I was in disbelief at faces of actors were created throughout different timeliness!
This is a beautiful theory and makes me want to rewatch it again. So incredible
The best and most intense time travelling story I have ever experienced. So underrated.
Everything in the series revolved around things consisting of 3 parts, but the fact that i never considered to be a 3rd world untill when it was revealed was stunning. It was right under my nose the entire time yet i didnt think of it.
You know a video is good when it's just supposed to be a show analysis but it's got you questioning your own life and decisions.
This definitely helped me consider the finale on a deeper level, instead of just a wrap-up. I still think season 3 spent way too much time on the back and forth of, this is the answer, no they lied, this is really the answer, no they lied...and so on.
I agree I started getting bored of the back n fourth & dramatic conversations season 3, still overall a wonderful show.
The ending was so haunting yet so beautiful ❤
I watched this show intently. By the third season I was wondering what it was telling me. I’m so excited to watch this video.
Oh damn. I’m still confused.
Yours is a great assessment. The central question in philosophy, of existence is the one on the nature of free will. Are we in our nature's free to think thoughts not bound by our 'biology', or are we subject to an ordered and lawfull set of ideals or concepts we don't fully understand.. In nature, animals, plant life is bound by instinct & the external physical world.
Yet, even certain animals exhibit a type of behavior or response not normally regarded as entirely instinctual or due to their behavior within their species.
The characters in both parallel world's did seem to follow certain negative and pre-determined sets of 'compulsions' - Claudia's character was just such a character. But then the pivotal moment came where she could perceive the inherent 'enclosed time loop' of both intersecting world's & the lives in them. The characters were caught up with this dim awareness of the Deja Vu of their circumstances. This was very well captured and played dramatically in the series.
In Jonas & Marta we see this Christ like acceptance of the responsibility that they must fulfill for the sake of the future happiness of those who are caught up in their endless time jumps & they make the 'leap of faith' into a new, non-compulsive, and one would dare say, free willed decision to end their existence by changing the outcome of the event that would lead to two separate world's. To two existences fraught with anything-but free will and happiness.
It's more than pleasurable to acknowledge a being could possess free will. In many ways the world has reduced us into automotons of indoctrination. The 'Great Reset' - The concept of our free will is a blessed light in our lives.
'Dark' is a good title for the series, it lends hope that there is truly a 'Light' at the end of the tunnel.