So many different thoughts and opinions towards Harley from different people. Me, I’m just happy to see any motorcycle brand coming out with new ways to have a rip. Thanks for the draw ✌🏼🍻
The biggest problem with people trashing new harley bikes are the closed minded harley riders lol. Even when I ride my sporty, I get the most opinions from big twin hd owners! Congrats again!
@@KSMotoCafe I welcome some of the changes. I am not fond of the ADV styling for Harley, and I hate the idea of an electric bike that can only go 150 miles that costs $30k. I do like that Harley is finally moving to better motors with more modern design influence. I just want them to keep the Harley lope, which is completely missing in the M8 motor. You have to do way to much to the M8 to make it sound decent (Not great).
@@Slking507 the m8 is definitely a metric sounding bike. Not a bad engine but just not EVO like. But now that they are parting ways with EVO... you may want to keep that older HD or buy a used one. I bet the used market will increase in 5-10yrs
Harley Davidson is finally pushing forward. They built a ADV bike that’s faster than the VRod. The days of leather land pirates are over. People want better tech and more power.
Let's hope so! However based on recent history at HD, liquid cooled engine motorcycles don't really get a warm reception. With the Pan America adventure bike, I do hope it brings on other brand riders that motivates HD to move forward!
When I first saw the pictures of the pan america, I wasn't really sold on it but after seeing all the tech and competitive price on it, I think it really has a chance in taking the throne from BMW and Ducati!
@@KSMotoCafe I’m signed up to watch. If it meets the promises I’ll drop a deposit soon after. My only fear is the old school Harley marketing department sticking forward controls on it to appease the faithful. Sporty needs mid controls.
@@chrissmith7669 I will accept only one sporty with fwd controls - the 48. Rest should get the mid control. I am really hoping for a RMax 975 sporty without big changes to the overall look. Upgrade on the suspension would be a nice touch too.
@@KSMotoCafe agreed. That and lose the bias ply balloon tires optimized for touring on heavy bikes with heavy riders / passengers plus a months worth of luggage.
I think the Revolution Max is the future of Harley Davidson. The main problem I had with the VRod engine was the valve design, which required major shop work for periodic adjustments. As a high-mileage touring rider, no-maintenance hydraulic valves are one of the things I love about traditional Harley engines. The RevMax has new high-tech hydraulic valves . I would really like to see Harley put this engine in a touring frame down the road. Of course, we won’t see the true value of these new engines until some riders get on them and start putting real world miles on them.
I think so as well but it is so hard to predict whether this will put a divide the HD riders (heritage vs new) or bring on new riders from different brands. Either way, you are right, only time and ride/reviews will dictate the Revo Max's destiny. I really hope they are here to stay and doesn't bankrupt the brand.
Honestly, I think it will be popular with riders who want adventure bikes, yet never actually take them on any adventures. I frequently see them in Toronto.... big GS Adv’s that have clearly never seen any rough roads or mud. The Pan America will be popular with this crowd due to the HD brand ‘status’. It won’t sell to the traditional HD cruiser lovers, unless they want another HD ride in their garage that offers something different (I know a few of those). I don’t think it will be a choice ride within my long distance community, due to the chain final drive. Too much fussing about with a chain when doing multiple 1000 mile days, but we’re a very small part of the market. Hopefully, some traditional adv riders will pick them up and report on them. Fortunately, Harley has priced them to fit with the competition, unlike the Livewire, so that prospective buyers won’t be trying to justify a huge cost gap for the ‘HD’ name.
@@82106167 Yeah, Livewire launch was a huge flop. My local dealership still has a fleet of em and will have a hard time selling them (this is after they dropped it by 10k for promotion sale)! As for your point on these bikes becoming "dentist" bikes is very on point because the 1250GS is definitely that. But whether they get used on or off road, it don't matter as long as they are sold and convinces the HD execs that having new tech in their bikes is a good business move. Are you guys almost there for riding season to begin or is it still too cold/snowy?
@@KSMotoCafe I do think that the Harley execs and techs have always known what needs to be done to move their product into the future. The thin line they’ve been walking for years is how to do that without alienating that giant base of old-school die hards who can’t give up the nostalgia. You can see their various attempts quite plainly... the Buell project, the VRod, the Street line, etc. None of the big efforts worked out, mostly due to timing in my opinion. What has been working, albeit very slowly, is sneaking in the new stuff in drips and drabs while attempting to keep the look and feel that their traditional base wants. Every time they’ve made a significant change, like say going to fuel injection on all models, there’s a time of grumbling from certain parties... but then it’s forgotten and most move on. The current version of my bike (Ultra Classic Limited) has a pile of features that would have infuriated most of their customer base 20 years ago.... but I see several of them in my local HOG chapter today, and my 15 year old bike is considered ‘quaint’ or a ‘classic’. I’m currently prepping both of my bikes for the road (mine and my wife’s Road King Classic), and I anticipate getting back on the road in the usual mid-March timeframe. The bikes are going to be crucial to my mental health this season, as weekend riding is going to be the only escape from the condo I’ve been locked down in for months. I’ve had to cancel all other forms of vacation travel this year.
@@82106167 I see your point about bringing in technology little by little to please the hardcore fans. Other than Harley, I can't think of another brand loyalty base that would actually get upset with technology. For me, I love the brand and would like to stick with HD for future bikes but only if they entice me with better options at the smaller CCs. I would love to get the Fat Bob as my next upgrade but insuring an 1800cc engine just to get a boost on acceleration and comfort is not worth the change. If they can produce the similar effect by using technology at below 1250cc, then I can get into it because it is in a lower insurance bracket. God I hate insurance so much - especially ones run by the government. On another note, damn man, being locked up in a condo for that long would definitely do some damage to mental health. Sorry to hear that. Are you still in the service or retired? I find that going to work helped refresh my mind but some people don't have that option either and I truly feel for them. Especially if they can't do the things they enjoy. I really appreciate you spending the time to write up a detailed response and really bringing out your personal opinion. So keep it coming!
I would lean towards buying a comfortable Harley cruiser like the Street Glide, but with the new 1250 Revolution Max engine; If only Harley would commit to building it.
Street glide with 1250 RevoMax will be amazing but only if it comes with dual disc front brakes... I don't know why Harley cheaps out on brakes but any bike above 1200cc should run with better brakes.
I guess the street rod was the baby VRod but they just made the bike too awkward to use because it was in between cruiser and sport bike but without personality. I do wish they bring em back at 10-15k price margin.
Man, that’s really cool that they are stepping up those street/sportster bikes but they can’t all have that flat tracker seat on them? That will severely limit their sales with two up not being an option and not everyone is going to be good with that high exhaust setup either. So they need to have a few variations of it but I’m glad to see them making “modern” motorcycles.
There is still a chance for those two up options because all those bikes are concepts except for the Pan America. But who knows? Harley might be stepping away from trying to please majority of the fans and go with very niche types of motorcycles. HD showing up with an adventure bike is one example of very niche type of motorcycle but is a welcome one. But I don't know about Harley bringing a sport bike like the streetfighter because I don't think HD can catch up with the Japanese, German, and Italian sport motorcycles fast enough to turn a profit and steal their customers. Hope they stick with cruisers, performance cruisers, and adventure bike. Thanks for your comment!
Now THAT would be a bold move from Harley that I would love to see! Let the Softails keep the M8 and let Sportsters and Glides get revolution max - I like it!
💯 agreed! it will be weird without a sportster in HD. Kinda like BMW without a 3 series or Honda without a Civic. I just want a sporty with updated tech to compete with Rebel and Scout. Thanks for watching!
@@tawaitai right now Indian is killing it with the Scout and Chief models. So Harley should move quickly if they want to stay relevant in the 1200cc and under 1000cc cruisers bracket.
@@KSMotoCafe absolutely! Look how clever Indian marketing team was by selecting to entertain a host of YT moto-vloggers out in Arizona to experience the “Chief” line-up and also aggressively targeting the female riders in this demographic, Excellent job Indian Motorcycles you are listening to your market while HD goes after celebrities what a joke👎🏽
@@KSMotoCafe I have had a passion for Harley-Davidson for many years & absolutely love the VRod-Muscle, Breakout, Fat-Boy & Baggers. This “Custom 1250” has some very strong points, I personally like the drag-style looks of it being compact & low which can be customized as your heart desires. Think of it as the AR15 of motorcycles that has a strong aftermarket support. It would be to HD advantage to offer the “Custom 1250” in a three-tiered option starting with the 500, 795 & 1250 Revolution but the kicker if HD is listening to their buyers? Make it affordable if not adios HD “Rest In Peace”.
It's about time HD evolved. I'd definitely be looking seriously at one when and if they come out. I recently bought an Evo. 2020 Iron 1200 but may consider a trade up for better performance and handling.
I am in a similar boat. I have my 883 (though I may end up keeping the iron for collector sakes). wife: How many bikes do you need? me: N+1; N being the # of bikes I currently own
@@KSMotoCafe I'm thinking the same thing. I'm pretty sure they are eventually going to phase out the current sportster. I may keep it as a collector motorcycle. I do love it. Every time I ride it I change my mind about ever getting rid of it.
@@floridapatriot9776 I have test more bikes now that are definitely better handling and performing than my Iron. but the more I ride other bikes, the more I appreciate the unique riding character of an EVO sportster! the shake and rumble is no longer a flaw but a charm!
Good video buddy ! As a mechanical engineer and long time rider, I am glad to see that HD is finally embracing the 21st century motorcycle technology such as liquid cooling (as a standard feature) , digital clusters, electronically adjustable suspension (Pan America) , etc .... The Appointment of a younger CEO is a clear statement of new things go to come. They already realized the traditional style and features from Peter Fonda’s time (Easy rider) is doomed to disappear. The baby boomer generation is dying off and sales are going down faster than their generation sexual drive ! The Gen X all the way to millennials are seeking for technological advancements for reasonable prices. (As they can’t afford to pay the historical higher prices) Time will tell but ..... improving the technology and reliability for the right price creates value and value is what sustain sales and success.
The baby boomer line had me laughing in public! But you are 100% correct about the generation differences and if they didn't pivot like this, HD would've been obsolete real soon. I would say, they are 5 years too late but they can always catch up if they draw the right crowd. The competitive price for the high tech bike also helps. I was expecting $35k like their Livewire but 20k is do-able for those looking at BMW 1250GS. Would you be tempted to the Pan America for your trek?
I am glad I didn’t piss you off ! Lol I really liked the P/A looks (despite the fact the front nose looks like a Lego piece) and I believe they will get a dent on the BMW marketshare. I am planning to get an ADV bike in the future and the P/A it will be on my short list. Once again wearing my professional hat (I spent most of my career working within the automotive and truck manufacturing industries) I wouldn’t jump in before 2-3 years of production because that’s when we address design flaws, customer complaints and performance issues.
@@WindyTherapy I am going to pick your brains about mechanical engineering design flaws in the future! Although I have a sour spot for the mech eng people, mainly because you guys loved to make fun of us, civil engineers, I always admired your cool projects compared ours lol.
@@KSMotoCafe I hope we get full size range if they do. “Not all at once of course” but they need a 500cc - 750cc for a beginner class, a 975 like the original for a middleweight, and then the 1250 for a big Bronx
HD this should get you thinking!! 1250 watercooled makes 150hp and 100 ft. lbs torque 114ci makes 75-80 hp 90 ft. lbs.Revolution max doesn't run hot if you sit at a redlight too long, Doesn't sound like a hit or miss running. Want to save your company ? Put these in all your bikes...
read my mind! only problem, majority of harley hardcore fans do not think like us and if history says anything, performance bikes do not sell for HD...
Hope they do the Street fighter series in addition to the Sportster & more. I want the Adventure bike also. Didn’t know the Revolution motor is from the V-Rod that makes sense.
The VROD failed because they built a performance bike that couldn't handle due to its stupidly low lean angle! And they built a cruiser that had Horrifically bad ergonomics! Made the bike only good for city riding and posing 🤦🏼
I haven't test rode one yet but I will soon. The "taco" fold for riding position seems super uncomfortable. But maybe if you have basketball player legs and arms, it maybe comfortable?? I like your opinionated posts! Looking forward to your future comments :D
@@KSMotoCafe Yeah unfortunately HD have chosen the moronic design of mounting the instrument cluster on the bars! meaning its going to hard to just fit a set of risers to fix the ergonomics, why manufactures are doing this is beyond me. means you have to mount stupid looking mini apes yuck!
Having owned a VRSCF now for over 5 years, all I can say is, "wow". At 6'2" I fit fine and couldn't imagine with the V-Rod's seat height having anything but forward controls.
@@zf4hp24 My dealership just got in a NightRod with mid controls and they have the VRod Muscle with regular fwd controls. So I will look forward to test ride em soon. Do you have handlebar risers or ape bars installed on the VRod or did you keep em all stock??
@@zf4hp24 do you have the standard bar's?, The fact you are 6'2" would actually help in the case of the VROD as you most likely have a long enough reach in your arms so that you don't need to Taco in order to reach the bars. I see a lot of VROD owners that are over 6" 👍
So they now have patented the "Nightster" name again, along with the "48X". Sounds like we know what some of the future liquid cooled Sportsters will be made. Also, I feel like the bike at 3:45 might be a new Sportster XLCR cafe racer? If I remember correctly, they also had some time of cafe racer in the patent book too.
that is some excellent researching you got there! It definitely will be interesting to see if they bring back the Nightster. 48X sounds interesting but I do hope they don't keep the 2.1G fuel tank because although they look sexy, it is just not practical. They dropped the roadster which is their Cafe Racer for 2021, so maybe?? I hope so.. it looks really nice
@@KSMotoCafe They could call it the XLCR which stands for Sportster Cafe Racer.I wouldn't be surprised if the white "1250 custom" with the large front tire on the website is the 48X (forty eight with a revolution-X motor is my guess for the name, which would make sense. The Nightster might be the black model? Either way we will find out soon! www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/harley-davidson-trademarks-nightster-hinting-at-the-future-of-the-sportster-line.html www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/harley-davidson-to-revive-nightster/? There is also some good trademark info here too! I think people are going to be surprised at what HD brings to the table in the next few years! www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2020/april/harley-davidson-cafe-racer-and-flat-tracker
should be interesting where they take it from here! Just hope they don't drop the ball because if this fails - HD is kind of screwed because their Livewire investment did not pay off yet, and I am not sure if it ever will.
Good video man!! I don't think the 1250 custom replaces the sportster. I think the custom stays its own bike and the sportsters gets a revamp with the revolution max engine. I think it ends up still looking more similar to the classic sporty look than most people think.
yeah I predict 1250 will be it's own bike like the VRod and the Sportsters will hopefully get the Revo Max treatment rather than getting archived completely. If they release a sporty with Revo Max 975cc, I think it will be a killer bike. I am getting excited just fantasizing about it haha
150hp.. HD might be taking my money in the future lol. Then again.. buell is supposedly making a comeback with 185hp.. all I want is another muscle cruiser with some more hp and aftermarket support. I can’t find much for my bike lol
I think 150hp is too much for me, I don't trust myself with that much power and speed. I will end up eating it with speeding tickets and hiked insurance cost lol. I will be happy around 100hp like the Indian Scout. I guess I could just get the Scout considering they have been already tested and showed its reliability but I want to give HD a chance... I wish Polaris kept the Victory brand and transferred over the Indian bikes because Victory just stood out "American" for me more than Indian. But your bike is sexy AF!
Thank you sir! Lol.. You make a good point tho. I think like all guys I get caught up in “I want more powah!” Lol but thinking about it I don’t even use the full power that my bike makes. And it’s around 106-108.. guessing lol. It’s plenty fast. I don’t even have to downshift to get around cars and whatnot. So 150hp will be more than I’ll even need. Still, it’s tempting.. lol
@@KSMotoCafe very much so, I've been waiting for them to come out(have a few buells) cause I want to snag that headlight bucket hah. And the xr12 is a very nice bike, and now that you mentioned it, the pan american kinda resembles it too
@@MCHoodlum13 This is where I got most of my info on the engine. We will find out in July when they reveal the new bike though! I am excited to see the change - they titled it "from evolution to revolution" ultimatemotorcycling.com/2021/03/12/harley-davidson-revolution-max-1250-engine-21-essential-fast-facts/
Harley should retire the Sportster name. It's been around in much the same configuration since 1957. I think H-D should come out with a brand new bike based on this Rev Max engine. New look, new engine, new name, and not a replacement bike with the same name.
well to be fair the Sportster went from Ironhead engine (1957-1985) to Evo (1986-2021), so it wouldn't be too far off making sportster with RevMax on it. Regardless, you are right that it is time for a change. Honda Rebel and Indian Scouts are very successful at stealing new riders from Harley. I was almost swayed too!
It’s not always abt horsepower and speed. It’s abt the thrill. The thrill of hiding a Harley is always different from other bikes. That’s why people purchase Harley. Im worried the latest instalments will loose existing fans.
There will still be softails and CVOs to keep the traditional harley riders happy. HD is hurting on the younger generation because the Indian Scouts and Honda Rebels are taking over the beginner cruiser market from the sportsters. You can still have thrill with updated tech. With that said, I will most likely keep my evo sporty long after they are phased out because it has the most unique riding characteristics! Thanks for sharing your thoughts
yay! another rider that enjoys the vibration! I thought it was just me. It was only after I did a test ride review of the Softail Slim and Ducati Monster 821 to make me realize how much I adored its vibrations and the sound made by the evo engine. It is so raw!
@@KSMotoCafe yeahh man. Nothing like riding a bike with that vibration feel. The whole experience of an evo engine cannot be replaced with higher horsepower nor speed. And that’s exactly what I meant. That ‘thrill’ is just not there with Harleys no more. I just purchased the new 21 fatboy. Even the m8s are dull. Somewhat SOUL LESS. These new instalments are a big set back to me at least. I don’t find it thrilling anymore. It feels more like a baby gliding on the road rather than riding a mean beast. Lol. I’m sure u get what I mean.
@@TheRicokilla Now I get what you meant by thrill. because I still had fun riding the Softail slim, ducati monster, and recently the LiveWire but they kept me wanting to go back to my iron for the reason that I mentioned prior. I am longing for a different style of bike though, something completely different, like an adventure bike or dual sport.
Yeah old motors and frames never were designed for racing and hi speed. But who wants to hustle 1000lb just to go get a burger or post office. Light and quick saferto ride.
Harley and Fast never seemed to go together but lately, its competitors are making bikes that perform much better and it is winning over new generation of riders because performance is something of value rather than heritage status. I love my iron for its original harley characteristics but deep down, I do sometimes want the performance to keep up with my friends bikes like the the indian scout could.
What a great guy! Thanks for coming by - yes, my channel is dedicated to increase awareness of riding safe, prepared, and enjoying the ride. Hope you like the more recent content as I have changed my ways of editing and filming since the beginning! Cheers!
You would think Harley Davidson would learn from their past mistakes like the V-Rod, Street 500 and the Street 750. I serious doubt if Harley made their money back from all the R&D spent on these bikes. And here we go again. I seriously think Harley will lose BIG money on the Pan America, Bronx, and the 1250 Custom. Once again I doubt if Harley makes enough on these bikes to make back the money spent on R&D. When people world wide think of Harley Davidson they think one of two things, a SPORTSTER, or a BIG TWIN. There is plenty of room for improvement on Harleys current line up. I think Harley is going to LOSE millions on the Pan America, Bronx and Custom 1250, but that's alright they will just raise the price of the bikes that do sell. This might just be the DEATH of Harley Davidson as we know it.
I will have to take a look at their financial Q reports in the last 10 years to see if they made their R&D money back. Livewire was the biggest flop I have seen and that might be hard to recover but I think Pan America might be ok for HD. It's got the bells and whistles that BMW and Ducati adventure bike riders like. Will it convince them over? Probably not since both brands also hold pretty good brand loyalty but it might be other HD cruiser owners who want to get into Adventure Bike sector and this might be the push they needed. But I wouldn't invest in HD stock for few months 😅. HD needs answer to Indian Scout and Honda Rebel1100 in the small VTwin sector because sportster evo engine is soon to be obsolete (much like my country's F18 jets...). Thanks for your thoughts! It was interesting read :)
Just that the name "Custom #" doesn't have a good sound to it - so my guess is that they will just transfer the "Sportster" name and let its legacy live on with a new engine. But yeah, the evo engine is done for sure. Apparently even the 2021 models are having a hard time meeting the California emissions standards, which is why as soon as you do DIY stage 1 with VH Fuel Pak, you void your warranty.
Love the 1250 custom but it only has a SINGLE disk brake up front 🤦🏼WTAF Harley Davidson way to ruin an otherwise perfect bike. #HDBrakesAreNotOptional
Yeah that is a bad call if they keep the design to have a single front disc brake for something this beastly. Yet the sportster roadsters had double discs! I hope by release time, they don't cheap out on the brakes.
Clearly, I love this new custom ! Owner of a Fat Bob, I love the feeling of the brakes with the two discs, finally a Harley that brakes hard !...if it's a 150hp engine...stop it with one disc, it's a non-sense !
@@Doudup Single disc on 150hp would be asking for lawsuits from injured riders. Yesterday I test rode the Roadster (the only 1200 sportster with dual disc brakes), and loved the braking power. Any bike above 500lb should have dual disc front brakes!
@@KSMotoCafe Completly agree...I drove a Breakout Stage IV of a friend, gorgeous, great torque ! But terrible breaking, always obliged to anticipate ! I mean if Harley wants to position this new custom as their "performance cruiser" it is an obligation...I am hesitating to buy it maybe next year...but if there are no dual disc, this is over !
Please move your mouth away from the mic when you are doing voice overs. The popping is annoying. The V-Rod was not ahead of it's time. HD ignored criticisms coming from people who didn't buy a V-Rod. HD increased the displacement to try and make up for the increased tyre width. HD cancelled the Street Series because they were terrible and overpriced motorcycles. Most manufacturers hide the cost cutting, but on the Street series they didn't care. They thought putting a HD badge on them would make them sell, but most people who looked at the Street Series of motorcycles weren't the idiots HD hoped they would be. I test road a Street Rod and it was a terrible motorcycle wrapped around a decent enough engine. The left mirror fell off before I went 50 feet. When I put my left foot down the left side of the frame was too hot against my leg to be comfortable for more than a few seconds and the stupid exhaust was in the way when I put my right foot down. The brakes were still just as terrible as the Street 750 only there were two discs instead of just the one. The Custom 1250 has been removed from the HD site.
Hey Robert, thanks so much for the detailed feedback. Clear audio recording has been the biggest challenge since I have started this channel and getting feedback from viewers is very important to me so I will try to watch out for the pops in the future (sometimes it is my editing software that adds the pops for some odd reason when I split the video or audio segment). As for your history lesson on the VRod - I found it interesting about the reason to increase the displacement due to the fat rear tire - it makes total sense; I also hear from owners of VRod that it is very expensive to find replacement tires due to its unique size. Street series... I think HD made the streets to use for their in house motorcycle riding courses and hoped it would sell well in Asia and Europe. I agree that the engine has potential but all the finishes were just poorly put together. I believe the street series were manufactured and assembled in India. I am still hopeful a form of Custom 1250 makes it back because there definitely is a market in that displacement with high performance. I am still waiting for Harley to come up with an answer to compete with Indian Scout. The Sportster 1200s are great bikes but can't outperform the Scout. Thanks again for some great discussion points!
Thanks for watching! Comment below on your thoughts and predictions on where HD will take the Revo Max engine!
So many different thoughts and opinions towards Harley from different people.
Me, I’m just happy to see any motorcycle brand coming out with new ways to have a rip.
Thanks for the draw ✌🏼🍻
The biggest problem with people trashing new harley bikes are the closed minded harley riders lol. Even when I ride my sporty, I get the most opinions from big twin hd owners!
Congrats again!
@@KSMotoCafe I welcome some of the changes. I am not fond of the ADV styling for Harley, and I hate the idea of an electric bike that can only go 150 miles that costs $30k. I do like that Harley is finally moving to better motors with more modern design influence. I just want them to keep the Harley lope, which is completely missing in the M8 motor. You have to do way to much to the M8 to make it sound decent (Not great).
@@Slking507 the m8 is definitely a metric sounding bike. Not a bad engine but just not EVO like. But now that they are parting ways with EVO... you may want to keep that older HD or buy a used one. I bet the used market will increase in 5-10yrs
Harley Davidson is finally pushing forward. They built a ADV bike that’s faster than the VRod. The days of leather land pirates are over. People want better tech and more power.
Let's hope so! However based on recent history at HD, liquid cooled engine motorcycles don't really get a warm reception. With the Pan America adventure bike, I do hope it brings on other brand riders that motivates HD to move forward!
I myself am very much looking forward to seeing a more “corner friendly” version of the V-rod. I still have my 2001 vrsca and my 2006 vrscb
2006 vrscb... nice 👍!! HD needs an answer to the Indian Scout or Rebel 1100 - I am hoping this 1250 is it. Cheers
I really like the Pan America, it's got me thinking!
When I first saw the pictures of the pan america, I wasn't really sold on it but after seeing all the tech and competitive price on it, I think it really has a chance in taking the throne from BMW and Ducati!
Fingers crossed for that cafe racer in the future
yes!! especially with the Roadsters gone, they need a proper cafe racer
@@KSMotoCafe perhaps it is a new XLCR? It very much resembles the XLCR of the late 70s which would be really cool!
@@jonnymac8925 maybe!!! though, they would have to give it a name and not just cafe racer.
I’d love a Sportster replacement built around the revolution max. A V-Rod replacement that weighs a hundred pounds less and has great handling.
In July, HD is doing an event specific to this and they titled it "from evolution to revolution"!!
@@KSMotoCafe I’m signed up to watch. If it meets the promises I’ll drop a deposit soon after. My only fear is the old school Harley marketing department sticking forward controls on it to appease the faithful. Sporty needs mid controls.
@@chrissmith7669 I will accept only one sporty with fwd controls - the 48. Rest should get the mid control. I am really hoping for a RMax 975 sporty without big changes to the overall look. Upgrade on the suspension would be a nice touch too.
@@KSMotoCafe agreed. That and lose the bias ply balloon tires optimized for touring on heavy bikes with heavy riders / passengers plus a months worth of luggage.
I think the Revolution Max is the future of Harley Davidson. The main problem I had with the VRod engine was the valve design, which required major shop work for periodic adjustments. As a high-mileage touring rider, no-maintenance hydraulic valves are one of the things I love about traditional Harley engines. The RevMax has new high-tech hydraulic valves . I would really like to see Harley put this engine in a touring frame down the road. Of course, we won’t see the true value of these new engines until some riders get on them and start putting real world miles on them.
I think so as well but it is so hard to predict whether this will put a divide the HD riders (heritage vs new) or bring on new riders from different brands. Either way, you are right, only time and ride/reviews will dictate the Revo Max's destiny. I really hope they are here to stay and doesn't bankrupt the brand.
Honestly, I think it will be popular with riders who want adventure bikes, yet never actually take them on any adventures. I frequently see them in Toronto.... big GS Adv’s that have clearly never seen any rough roads or mud. The Pan America will be popular with this crowd due to the HD brand ‘status’. It won’t sell to the traditional HD cruiser lovers, unless they want another HD ride in their garage that offers something different (I know a few of those). I don’t think it will be a choice ride within my long distance community, due to the chain final drive. Too much fussing about with a chain when doing multiple 1000 mile days, but we’re a very small part of the market. Hopefully, some traditional adv riders will pick them up and report on them. Fortunately, Harley has priced them to fit with the competition, unlike the Livewire, so that prospective buyers won’t be trying to justify a huge cost gap for the ‘HD’ name.
@@82106167 Yeah, Livewire launch was a huge flop. My local dealership still has a fleet of em and will have a hard time selling them (this is after they dropped it by 10k for promotion sale)! As for your point on these bikes becoming "dentist" bikes is very on point because the 1250GS is definitely that. But whether they get used on or off road, it don't matter as long as they are sold and convinces the HD execs that having new tech in their bikes is a good business move. Are you guys almost there for riding season to begin or is it still too cold/snowy?
@@KSMotoCafe I do think that the Harley execs and techs have always known what needs to be done to move their product into the future. The thin line they’ve been walking for years is how to do that without alienating that giant base of old-school die hards who can’t give up the nostalgia. You can see their various attempts quite plainly... the Buell project, the VRod, the Street line, etc. None of the big efforts worked out, mostly due to timing in my opinion. What has been working, albeit very slowly, is sneaking in the new stuff in drips and drabs while attempting to keep the look and feel that their traditional base wants. Every time they’ve made a significant change, like say going to fuel injection on all models, there’s a time of grumbling from certain parties... but then it’s forgotten and most move on. The current version of my bike (Ultra Classic Limited) has a pile of features that would have infuriated most of their customer base 20 years ago.... but I see several of them in my local HOG chapter today, and my 15 year old bike is considered ‘quaint’ or a ‘classic’. I’m currently prepping both of my bikes for the road (mine and my wife’s Road King Classic), and I anticipate getting back on the road in the usual mid-March timeframe. The bikes are going to be crucial to my mental health this season, as weekend riding is going to be the only escape from the condo I’ve been locked down in for months. I’ve had to cancel all other forms of vacation travel this year.
@@82106167 I see your point about bringing in technology little by little to please the hardcore fans. Other than Harley, I can't think of another brand loyalty base that would actually get upset with technology. For me, I love the brand and would like to stick with HD for future bikes but only if they entice me with better options at the smaller CCs. I would love to get the Fat Bob as my next upgrade but insuring an 1800cc engine just to get a boost on acceleration and comfort is not worth the change. If they can produce the similar effect by using technology at below 1250cc, then I can get into it because it is in a lower insurance bracket. God I hate insurance so much - especially ones run by the government.
On another note, damn man, being locked up in a condo for that long would definitely do some damage to mental health. Sorry to hear that. Are you still in the service or retired? I find that going to work helped refresh my mind but some people don't have that option either and I truly feel for them. Especially if they can't do the things they enjoy.
I really appreciate you spending the time to write up a detailed response and really bringing out your personal opinion. So keep it coming!
I would lean towards buying a comfortable Harley cruiser like the Street Glide, but with the new 1250 Revolution Max engine;
If only Harley would commit to building it.
Street glide with 1250 RevoMax will be amazing but only if it comes with dual disc front brakes... I don't know why Harley cheaps out on brakes but any bike above 1200cc should run with better brakes.
I'd like to see a smaller/ less heavy VRod. I'd buy one if it's reasonably priced.
I guess the street rod was the baby VRod but they just made the bike too awkward to use because it was in between cruiser and sport bike but without personality. I do wish they bring em back at 10-15k price margin.
The V-Rod was for straight raods only ...
.....the day the Sportster died. Long live the Sportster.
one day, my 883 will be considered "classic" and "collectable" but that is wishful thinking since there are millions of em haha
Man, that’s really cool that they are stepping up those street/sportster bikes but they can’t all have that flat tracker seat on them? That will severely limit their sales with two up not being an option and not everyone is going to be good with that high exhaust setup either. So they need to have a few variations of it but I’m glad to see them making “modern” motorcycles.
There is still a chance for those two up options because all those bikes are concepts except for the Pan America. But who knows? Harley might be stepping away from trying to please majority of the fans and go with very niche types of motorcycles. HD showing up with an adventure bike is one example of very niche type of motorcycle but is a welcome one. But I don't know about Harley bringing a sport bike like the streetfighter because I don't think HD can catch up with the Japanese, German, and Italian sport motorcycles fast enough to turn a profit and steal their customers. Hope they stick with cruisers, performance cruisers, and adventure bike. Thanks for your comment!
Sportster should remain like a Royal Enfield.
Put that revolution engine in a street glide and road glide and I will buy. I’m old and like my front fairing.
Now THAT would be a bold move from Harley that I would love to see! Let the Softails keep the M8 and let Sportsters and Glides get revolution max - I like it!
Yep, I thinking the new Sportster is a version of the custom 1250. I don’t think you can just throw away 60 years of brand awareness
💯 agreed! it will be weird without a sportster in HD. Kinda like BMW without a 3 series or Honda without a Civic. I just want a sporty with updated tech to compete with Rebel and Scout. Thanks for watching!
Knowing Harley they would!
@@tawaitai right now Indian is killing it with the Scout and Chief models. So Harley should move quickly if they want to stay relevant in the 1200cc and under 1000cc cruisers bracket.
@@KSMotoCafe absolutely! Look how clever Indian marketing team was by selecting to entertain a host of YT moto-vloggers out in Arizona to experience the “Chief” line-up and also aggressively targeting the female riders in this demographic, Excellent job Indian Motorcycles you are listening to your market while HD goes after celebrities what a joke👎🏽
@@KSMotoCafe I have had a passion for Harley-Davidson for many years & absolutely love the VRod-Muscle, Breakout, Fat-Boy & Baggers. This “Custom 1250” has some very strong points, I personally like the drag-style looks of it being compact & low which can be customized as your heart desires. Think of it as the AR15 of motorcycles that has a strong aftermarket support. It would be to HD advantage to offer the “Custom 1250” in a three-tiered option starting with the 500, 795 & 1250 Revolution but the kicker if HD is listening to their buyers? Make it affordable if not adios HD “Rest In Peace”.
It's about time HD evolved. I'd definitely be looking seriously at one when and if they come out. I recently bought an Evo. 2020 Iron 1200 but may consider a trade up for better performance and handling.
I am in a similar boat. I have my 883 (though I may end up keeping the iron for collector sakes).
wife: How many bikes do you need?
me: N+1; N being the # of bikes I currently own
@@KSMotoCafe I'm thinking the same thing. I'm pretty sure they are eventually going to phase out the current sportster. I may keep it as a collector motorcycle. I do love it. Every time I ride it I change my mind about ever getting rid of it.
@@floridapatriot9776 I have test more bikes now that are definitely better handling and performing than my Iron. but the more I ride other bikes, the more I appreciate the unique riding character of an EVO sportster! the shake and rumble is no longer a flaw but a charm!
@@KSMotoCafe Exactly.
Good video buddy ! As a mechanical engineer and long time rider, I am glad to see that HD is finally embracing the 21st century motorcycle technology such as liquid cooling (as a standard feature) , digital clusters, electronically adjustable suspension (Pan America) , etc ....
The Appointment of a younger CEO is a clear statement of new things go to come. They already realized the traditional style and features from Peter Fonda’s time (Easy rider) is doomed to disappear. The baby boomer generation is dying off and sales are going down faster than their generation sexual drive ! The Gen X all the way to millennials are seeking for technological advancements for reasonable prices. (As they can’t afford to pay the historical higher prices) Time will tell but ..... improving the technology and reliability for the right price creates value and value is what sustain sales and success.
The baby boomer line had me laughing in public! But you are 100% correct about the generation differences and if they didn't pivot like this, HD would've been obsolete real soon. I would say, they are 5 years too late but they can always catch up if they draw the right crowd. The competitive price for the high tech bike also helps. I was expecting $35k like their Livewire but 20k is do-able for those looking at BMW 1250GS. Would you be tempted to the Pan America for your trek?
I am glad I didn’t piss you off ! Lol
I really liked the P/A looks (despite the fact the front nose looks like a Lego piece) and I believe they will get a dent on the BMW marketshare. I am planning to get an ADV bike in the future and the P/A it will be on my short list. Once again wearing my professional hat (I spent most of my career working within the automotive and truck manufacturing industries) I wouldn’t jump in before 2-3 years of production because that’s when we address design flaws, customer complaints and performance issues.
@@WindyTherapy I am going to pick your brains about mechanical engineering design flaws in the future! Although I have a sour spot for the mech eng people, mainly because you guys loved to make fun of us, civil engineers, I always admired your cool projects compared ours lol.
Damn I hope we get the Bronx back and the cafe racer 😭 we need an American sport bike
100% agreed!
@@KSMotoCafe I hope we get full size range if they do. “Not all at once of course” but they need a 500cc - 750cc for a beginner class, a 975 like the original for a middleweight, and then the 1250 for a big Bronx
HD this should get you thinking!! 1250 watercooled makes 150hp and 100 ft. lbs torque 114ci makes 75-80 hp 90 ft. lbs.Revolution max doesn't run hot if you sit at a redlight too long, Doesn't sound like a hit or miss running. Want to save your company ? Put these in all your bikes...
read my mind! only problem, majority of harley hardcore fans do not think like us and if history says anything, performance bikes do not sell for HD...
When designing a new engine, it's best to stick as many gears, chains, tensioners, and whirly parts in it as possible.
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next bike - 8 speeds!
@@KSMotoCafe
Of course.
Why make it easier to find neutral when you have to push it to the side of the road.
Hope they do the Street fighter series in addition to the Sportster & more. I want the Adventure bike also. Didn’t know the Revolution motor is from the V-Rod that makes sense.
Omg South Park b roll 😂 love this video and editing
haha yeah I love southpark. If I can use em for B Roll I will do it all the time
The VROD failed because they built a performance bike that couldn't handle due to its stupidly low lean angle! And they built a cruiser that had Horrifically bad ergonomics! Made the bike only good for city riding and posing 🤦🏼
I haven't test rode one yet but I will soon. The "taco" fold for riding position seems super uncomfortable. But maybe if you have basketball player legs and arms, it maybe comfortable?? I like your opinionated posts! Looking forward to your future comments :D
@@KSMotoCafe Yeah unfortunately HD have chosen the moronic design of mounting the instrument cluster on the bars! meaning its going to hard to just fit a set of risers to fix the ergonomics, why manufactures are doing this is beyond me. means you have to mount stupid looking mini apes yuck!
Having owned a VRSCF now for over 5 years, all I can say is, "wow". At 6'2" I fit fine and couldn't imagine with the V-Rod's seat height having anything but forward controls.
@@zf4hp24 My dealership just got in a NightRod with mid controls and they have the VRod Muscle with regular fwd controls. So I will look forward to test ride em soon. Do you have handlebar risers or ape bars installed on the VRod or did you keep em all stock??
@@zf4hp24 do you have the standard bar's?, The fact you are 6'2" would actually help in the case of the VROD as you most likely have a long enough reach in your arms so that you don't need to Taco in order to reach the bars. I see a lot of VROD owners that are over 6" 👍
Awesome video! I wonder if they'll use both engines in the future. It would be a cool option for riders to pick which engine they'd like to use.
Yeah that would be cool! Harley is like Johnny Walker whiskey, you need the cheap to super rich quality of choices to please everyone!
@@KSMotoCafe agreed. It would make for a more customized experience for the buyer.
750, 975 & 1250 all at different price points.
Pan America looks nice.
can't wait to see it in person! but that 150hp is a monster engine for Harley
@@KSMotoCafe saw a video of it displayed in a Japanese showroom.
This engine might save harley again... But only if they keep up with the times.
Yeah it is a risky move but to survive in today's era, they need to take the risk.
I'm waiting for the bobber version with ape hangers
that would be cool
So they now have patented the "Nightster" name again, along with the "48X". Sounds like we know what some of the future liquid cooled Sportsters will be made. Also, I feel like the bike at 3:45 might be a new Sportster XLCR cafe racer? If I remember correctly, they also had some time of cafe racer in the patent book too.
that is some excellent researching you got there! It definitely will be interesting to see if they bring back the Nightster. 48X sounds interesting but I do hope they don't keep the 2.1G fuel tank because although they look sexy, it is just not practical. They dropped the roadster which is their Cafe Racer for 2021, so maybe?? I hope so.. it looks really nice
@@KSMotoCafe They could call it the XLCR which stands for Sportster Cafe Racer.I wouldn't be surprised if the white "1250 custom" with the large front tire on the website is the 48X (forty eight with a revolution-X motor is my guess for the name, which would make sense. The Nightster might be the black model? Either way we will find out soon!
www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/harley-davidson-trademarks-nightster-hinting-at-the-future-of-the-sportster-line.html
www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/harley-davidson-to-revive-nightster/?
There is also some good trademark info here too! I think people are going to be surprised at what HD brings to the table in the next few years!
www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2020/april/harley-davidson-cafe-racer-and-flat-tracker
great finds!
Good video!! If l ever get another bike l may consider it.
should be interesting where they take it from here! Just hope they don't drop the ball because if this fails - HD is kind of screwed because their Livewire investment did not pay off yet, and I am not sure if it ever will.
If only they would change the front of the Pan American. Come on aftermarket!
it's kinda growing on me. Not a big fan of it either but the black/grey one seems to work for me but definitely not a "harley" look
That „robot eye“ headlight just hasn’t grown on me.
Good video man!! I don't think the 1250 custom replaces the sportster. I think the custom stays its own bike and the sportsters gets a revamp with the revolution max engine. I think it ends up still looking more similar to the classic sporty look than most people think.
yeah I predict 1250 will be it's own bike like the VRod and the Sportsters will hopefully get the Revo Max treatment rather than getting archived completely. If they release a sporty with Revo Max 975cc, I think it will be a killer bike. I am getting excited just fantasizing about it haha
It has to replace the Sportster as they’ve already announced retirement of the current Sportster at the end of this year
It looked like fat bob. The pipes and handlebar etc. interesting
that is true! the bronze exhaust cover does remind me of the fat bob!
150hp.. HD might be taking my money in the future lol. Then again.. buell is supposedly making a comeback with 185hp.. all I want is another muscle cruiser with some more hp and aftermarket support. I can’t find much for my bike lol
I think 150hp is too much for me, I don't trust myself with that much power and speed. I will end up eating it with speeding tickets and hiked insurance cost lol. I will be happy around 100hp like the Indian Scout. I guess I could just get the Scout considering they have been already tested and showed its reliability but I want to give HD a chance... I wish Polaris kept the Victory brand and transferred over the Indian bikes because Victory just stood out "American" for me more than Indian. But your bike is sexy AF!
Thank you sir! Lol.. You make a good point tho. I think like all guys I get caught up in “I want more powah!” Lol but thinking about it I don’t even use the full power that my bike makes. And it’s around 106-108.. guessing lol. It’s plenty fast. I don’t even have to downshift to get around cars and whatnot. So 150hp will be more than I’ll even need. Still, it’s tempting.. lol
@1:33 designed by Erik buell who also birthed the buell line. This is might be the future of the new livewire line.
I hope they bring back the XR1200 using the new engine. The livewire definitely had some resemblance to the Buell design for its riding ergonomics
@@KSMotoCafe very much so, I've been waiting for them to come out(have a few buells) cause I want to snag that headlight bucket hah.
And the xr12 is a very nice bike, and now that you mentioned it, the pan american kinda resembles it too
Revolution and Revolution Max are built on different platforms.
What do you mean different platforms? They are different engines but the Revolution Max is derived from Revolution and Revolution X engines.
@@KSMotoCafe Harleys words, not mine.
@@MCHoodlum13 This is where I got most of my info on the engine. We will find out in July when they reveal the new bike though! I am excited to see the change - they titled it "from evolution to revolution"
ultimatemotorcycling.com/2021/03/12/harley-davidson-revolution-max-1250-engine-21-essential-fast-facts/
Solid video and editing my man 😌
Thanks brother. 🤟
Harley should retire the Sportster name. It's been around in much the same configuration since 1957. I think H-D should come out with a brand new bike based on this Rev Max engine. New look, new engine, new name, and not a replacement bike with the same name.
well to be fair the Sportster went from Ironhead engine (1957-1985) to Evo (1986-2021), so it wouldn't be too far off making sportster with RevMax on it. Regardless, you are right that it is time for a change. Honda Rebel and Indian Scouts are very successful at stealing new riders from Harley. I was almost swayed too!
The „nightster „ Name has also been trademarked by the MoCo recently according to reports.
It comes down to who has the funds ,
what do you mean?
It’s not always abt horsepower and speed. It’s abt the thrill. The thrill of hiding a Harley is always different from other bikes. That’s why people purchase Harley. Im worried the latest instalments will loose existing fans.
There will still be softails and CVOs to keep the traditional harley riders happy. HD is hurting on the younger generation because the Indian Scouts and Honda Rebels are taking over the beginner cruiser market from the sportsters. You can still have thrill with updated tech. With that said, I will most likely keep my evo sporty long after they are phased out because it has the most unique riding characteristics! Thanks for sharing your thoughts
@@KSMotoCafe exactly. I’m still keeping my iron1200 because of its classic vibration feel. Probably never gonna trade that.
yay! another rider that enjoys the vibration! I thought it was just me. It was only after I did a test ride review of the Softail Slim and Ducati Monster 821 to make me realize how much I adored its vibrations and the sound made by the evo engine. It is so raw!
@@KSMotoCafe yeahh man. Nothing like riding a bike with that vibration feel. The whole experience of an evo engine cannot be replaced with higher horsepower nor speed. And that’s exactly what I meant. That ‘thrill’ is just not there with Harleys no more. I just purchased the new 21 fatboy. Even the m8s are dull. Somewhat SOUL LESS. These new instalments are a big set back to me at least. I don’t find it thrilling anymore. It feels more like a baby gliding on the road rather than riding a mean beast. Lol. I’m sure u get what I mean.
@@TheRicokilla Now I get what you meant by thrill. because I still had fun riding the Softail slim, ducati monster, and recently the LiveWire but they kept me wanting to go back to my iron for the reason that I mentioned prior. I am longing for a different style of bike though, something completely different, like an adventure bike or dual sport.
Congratulations to the winner!
He donated it to month of March!
I have a sportster s and owned an Indian scout before the Harley and I like the sportster s WAY better
Yeah old motors and frames never were designed for racing and hi speed. But who wants to hustle 1000lb just to go get a burger or post office. Light and quick saferto ride.
Harley and Fast never seemed to go together but lately, its competitors are making bikes that perform much better and it is winning over new generation of riders because performance is something of value rather than heritage status. I love my iron for its original harley characteristics but deep down, I do sometimes want the performance to keep up with my friends bikes like the the indian scout could.
Revsanity he sent me over to subscribe to your channel are you watching all your videos when I have a chance to ride safe be safe out there
What a great guy! Thanks for coming by - yes, my channel is dedicated to increase awareness of riding safe, prepared, and enjoying the ride. Hope you like the more recent content as I have changed my ways of editing and filming since the beginning! Cheers!
Please come back V rod
I think the new Sportster S is basically the successor to the VRod
You would think Harley Davidson would learn from their past mistakes like the V-Rod, Street 500 and the Street 750. I serious doubt if Harley made their money back from all the R&D spent on these bikes.
And here we go again. I seriously think Harley will lose BIG money on the Pan America, Bronx, and the 1250 Custom. Once again I doubt if Harley makes enough on these bikes to make back the money spent on R&D.
When people world wide think of Harley Davidson they think one of two things, a SPORTSTER, or a BIG TWIN. There is plenty of room for improvement on Harleys current line up. I think Harley is going to LOSE millions on the Pan America, Bronx and Custom 1250, but that's alright they will just raise the price of the bikes that do sell. This might just be the DEATH of Harley Davidson as we know it.
I will have to take a look at their financial Q reports in the last 10 years to see if they made their R&D money back. Livewire was the biggest flop I have seen and that might be hard to recover but I think Pan America might be ok for HD. It's got the bells and whistles that BMW and Ducati adventure bike riders like. Will it convince them over? Probably not since both brands also hold pretty good brand loyalty but it might be other HD cruiser owners who want to get into Adventure Bike sector and this might be the push they needed. But I wouldn't invest in HD stock for few months 😅. HD needs answer to Indian Scout and Honda Rebel1100 in the small VTwin sector because sportster evo engine is soon to be obsolete (much like my country's F18 jets...). Thanks for your thoughts! It was interesting read :)
Sportster is done and will be replaced by the new Custom models
Just that the name "Custom #" doesn't have a good sound to it - so my guess is that they will just transfer the "Sportster" name and let its legacy live on with a new engine. But yeah, the evo engine is done for sure. Apparently even the 2021 models are having a hard time meeting the California emissions standards, which is why as soon as you do DIY stage 1 with VH Fuel Pak, you void your warranty.
@@KSMotoCafe I agree keep the Sportster name ! Don’t make the same mistake like they did with dropping the Dyna name
Love the 1250 custom but it only has a SINGLE disk brake up front 🤦🏼WTAF Harley Davidson way to ruin an otherwise perfect bike. #HDBrakesAreNotOptional
Yeah that is a bad call if they keep the design to have a single front disc brake for something this beastly. Yet the sportster roadsters had double discs! I hope by release time, they don't cheap out on the brakes.
Clearly, I love this new custom ! Owner of a Fat Bob, I love the feeling of the brakes with the two discs, finally a Harley that brakes hard !...if it's a 150hp engine...stop it with one disc, it's a non-sense !
@@Doudup Single disc on 150hp would be asking for lawsuits from injured riders. Yesterday I test rode the Roadster (the only 1200 sportster with dual disc brakes), and loved the braking power. Any bike above 500lb should have dual disc front brakes!
@@KSMotoCafe Completly agree...I drove a Breakout Stage IV of a friend, gorgeous, great torque ! But terrible breaking, always obliged to anticipate ! I mean if Harley wants to position this new custom as their "performance cruiser" it is an obligation...I am hesitating to buy it maybe next year...but if there are no dual disc, this is over !
Please move your mouth away from the mic when you are doing voice overs. The popping is annoying.
The V-Rod was not ahead of it's time. HD ignored criticisms coming from people who didn't buy a V-Rod. HD increased the displacement to try and make up for the increased tyre width.
HD cancelled the Street Series because they were terrible and overpriced motorcycles. Most manufacturers hide the cost cutting, but on the Street series they didn't care. They thought putting a HD badge on them would make them sell, but most people who looked at the Street Series of motorcycles weren't the idiots HD hoped they would be. I test road a Street Rod and it was a terrible motorcycle wrapped around a decent enough engine. The left mirror fell off before I went 50 feet. When I put my left foot down the left side of the frame was too hot against my leg to be comfortable for more than a few seconds and the stupid exhaust was in the way when I put my right foot down. The brakes were still just as terrible as the Street 750 only there were two discs instead of just the one.
The Custom 1250 has been removed from the HD site.
Hey Robert, thanks so much for the detailed feedback. Clear audio recording has been the biggest challenge since I have started this channel and getting feedback from viewers is very important to me so I will try to watch out for the pops in the future (sometimes it is my editing software that adds the pops for some odd reason when I split the video or audio segment).
As for your history lesson on the VRod - I found it interesting about the reason to increase the displacement due to the fat rear tire - it makes total sense; I also hear from owners of VRod that it is very expensive to find replacement tires due to its unique size.
Street series... I think HD made the streets to use for their in house motorcycle riding courses and hoped it would sell well in Asia and Europe. I agree that the engine has potential but all the finishes were just poorly put together. I believe the street series were manufactured and assembled in India.
I am still hopeful a form of Custom 1250 makes it back because there definitely is a market in that displacement with high performance. I am still waiting for Harley to come up with an answer to compete with Indian Scout. The Sportster 1200s are great bikes but can't outperform the Scout. Thanks again for some great discussion points!