Jazz drummer reacts: Joey Baca (The Contortionist) Language
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Everybody else is already saying this, but I think you'd really like The Contortionist as a daily listen. Their music is fantastic. The first two albums Exoplanet and Intrinsic are heavy deathcore albums. Language and Clairvoyant are softer prog rock albums. They're basically two different bands when the old singer left and the new one came in. Their music is so rich in creativity though that it's all led to them being considered one of the best prog metal bands of the last decade.
JakeKram softer prog rock with heavy Jazz Fusion influence!
The Rediscovered sessions are absolutely amazing also
@@TheArenaBruno I was just going to comment the same thing, I think they took influence from Cynic and Retraced with that but The Contortionist nailed it even better.
Language as an album(and the Rediscovered session) completely changed the way I perceive music tbh. Absolutely fantastic composition and performances all around.
Intrinsic - Language is the best 2 LP's imo. They're most transformative albums
You'll need to listen to the studio version to hear just how much counterplay there truly is in this song. It's insane. The guitars are playing in a totally different feel for most of the song. And the drums and guitars line up at periodic intervals. It's nuts, one of my favorite songs.
I've been transposing a lot of their older songs off the Intrinsic album and its crazy the amount of counterplay they have in each song and how it all lines up in the intervals.
Yuuuus. The contortionist is one of the best new age prog metal/rock bands. So talented
Dog listem to that album in full its a masterpiece
Gotta listen to this album probably best album of the 2010’s
Facts
@@willakilla3362 I am crazy about Guiding Lights by Skyharbor from 2014. Anup Sastry is the drummer and he's an absolute master.
I personally really like the analyzing part of your videos. For me you could ramble on each performance for 10 more minutes and I would very much enjoy it.
I mean, what separates you from most other "drummer reacts"-channels is your Jazz background and I as a metal drummer am very interested in the thoughts that a Jazz drummer has on metal drumming. So ramble along! :)
Same
I agree!
100% his weakest videos are the ones where he watches along, says it was great then ends record. Give us some details, break out the drum pad, how does it relate to jazz drumming?
Totallly !! I learned so much in the beginning. But Now, most of the videos is only him watching a guy play drums, no explanations or anything :(
most of the best metal drummers have jazz and classical backgrounds and influences, it's essential really
Garret, you have to realize, not everyone has people to talk to about this sort of stuff, the chit chat at the end is fine ;)
the most haunted snare in the game
Language = the perfect album
These guys are polyrhythm masters. Their songs flow between different time signatures using polys. It’s so sick.
Living Waves by Persefone is another fun one in terms of polyrhythms. A lot simpler than this, but still enough to be just between too complex and simple enough to groove to.
Polymeter*****
They barely use polyrhythms compared to polymeters which happen in almost every song.
Physis Zero this and Language II are HEAVILY based on the 2:3 and 4:3 polyrhythms.
@@will66kg91 yes but generally speaking most of their music is polymetric not polyrhythmic
Physis Zero ehh. it really depends on how you interpret it. the polyrhythms in this song could be interpreted as polymeters. And can you name me some TC that are poly metric? i’m not saying there aren’t any, i’m curious to see what ones are polymetric.
I love that he plays the cymbals the same way that he plays his toms. Rolling on them, accents of toms, accents on the splashes.
I love that he uses them in the same idiom.
Agreed, a masterful touch
Rolling on the cymbals is something I never knew existed until this performance.
Hi Garrett! I really encourage you to listen to The Contortionist more, their musicality is amazing! They must be one of the most underrated bands within the 'math metal' (djent?) circle
Pablo Andres López Silva very talented band
Mathcore and djent are two very(?) distinct things, mathcore has a lot more playing around with time than djent, and is more about the technicality than the groove
Lol yeah i was gonna say, mathy stuff and djent are two totally opposite things.
@@wowno5763 There are some bands such as Car Bomb that combine both styles though
Nathan Camarena - Chon Drummer
look in to his meinl live performance.
You will be amazed how groovy and technical he is
Pinn Snare yes! I vote for the song Checkpoint because it has a lot of cool patterns in it
Chon's entire set on Audiotree is amazing, the drum sound there is incredible, I'd love see thim react to any song from the audiotree set.
Yep, let's make this real by voting our beloved drummer.
My only disappointment is that he writes only about 50% of his stuff. Is that really a knock? No, I don't think so. Clearly a fantastic drummer. Meeting them and getting a little insight was interesting.
I think he writes less Brian Evans blazing on most of those studio tracks
Came for the Hemiola. Left satisfied.
I’ve been studying this song for a while, the “9” phrasing that goes on for the majority of language is hinted by the 3 over 4 in part i. the commitment to the 3 at the very start of part ii make the 9 flow so naturally. All his parts are scripted as you said, and his cymbal accents/ ghosting are incredibly well thought out. Cheers!
If you listen to TOOL’s “Eulogy”, you can hear directly where he got the inspiration!
@@ddrum1090 one is polymetric and one is polyrhythmic between those two songs though, correct? Eulogy is polymeter because the hi hat and kick and snare have the same pulse on that part. This is polyrhythmic because the 9 phrasing doesn't have the same pulse as the 4 he's keeping.
@@tristonwilliams The first section of Eulogy is polymetric. The last groove ("You've claimed all this time...") is 3/4 polyrhythmic. The guitar is playing a strange 7/8 feel (I think) too, so I guess it might actually be polymetric in that section as well. I just know that drum part is polyrhythmic because I've spent a lot of time working it out haha.
Triston Williams good catch, I would interpret the famous/last groove from Eulogy as polyrhythmic, and joey does the same thing right before going into language as he stops the 3s cycle and restarts. I’m honestly not sure how to categorize part ii at the very start because at that point his 3/16 phrasing on the stack becomes an integral part of the time, not contrary to it because it moves to 9 from 4. So i’m guessing the switch could be considered polymetric... I’m gonna have to brush up on the differences between the two lol
@@ddrum1090 Polyrhythmic is when you have two time sigs that take up the same duration. in other words, it sounds like there's two separate underlying pulses or rhythms. think the simple Carol of the Bells 2 over 3 rhythm.
Polymetric is when you have two time sigs that share the same pulse, so they would have different durations. The short snare roll and kick break right after the first chorus in Language I is a great example of this. Notice how the snare and kick start to get further apart but share the same pulse. Or if you don't know what I'm talking about, it's like playing 5/4 over 4/4 but at the same tempo or pulse, if you will.
I'm not trained in music theory, but that's my layman understanding of it.
I was admittedly partially wrong about Eulogy. The hi-hat "pattern" is polymetric to the rest of the kit because it's 3/16 over 4/4 with the same pulse. However, if you focus on only the hi-hat accent, the accent is polyrhythmic to the rest of the kit.
I think these two tracks combined are one of the greatest progressive metal songs of all time.
Anything by the Contortionist is going to be time bending madness. I highly recommend you dive in head first.
Took a lesson with Joey back in 2015 before a show they played in Toronto. Such a humble dude and a fantastic drummer.
The sequence beginning at 4:33 is in 9/8 :) he begins with the snare roll groove accenting a 4 feel over the guitars which are playing on the 1 of a 9/8. That's why you get that cool ride hit displacement. The guitars feel "late" with respect to 4/4, but they're playing on the 1 of a 9 groove, which he aligns with at 4:50.
Ryan Kenny you can interpret like that, or interpret it as everyone playing 4/4 but the guitars doing a 5/4 polyrhythm and the ride hits also on that 5/4 polyrhythm, but i never noticed that you can just interpret that as 9/8 also, good catch.
Damn you’re hilarious man! Joey Baca is a great drummer. His licks are insane imo.
just discovered this band, good stuff. several friends have been saying "how do you know and love karnivool and you've not heard these guys???"
These guys are incredible musicians, there are so many layers in their music you don't get on first listen
Please do jay postones from tesseract! :)
Dystopia maybe
Yes dystopia!
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He already did it!
Language is one of the greatest progressive records of all time imho
Glad you checked them out, highly recommend you listen to the whole album, issa mastapiece.
I LOVE this video and have for years. Cannot believe you came and reviewed it. Fantastic. You're hitting so many good videos.
MY FAVORITE BAND AND DRUMMER OF ALL TIME
Absolute favorite band to see live and such cool dudes!
This is my favourite band for sure. Probably seen this band 10 times live. I know every word to every song and they're responsible for twisting and expanding my knowledge of musical time as I've studied their music so often. It's almost like to me, they're a band that's simply _standard_ in my library. So glad to see you post this band to your audience.
Oh hell yeah dude! One of my favorite bands! Glad you enjoyed, and thanks for sharing your insights.
Absolutely brilliant player, the whole Language album is fantastic, with very musical and well thought out drum parts
Loved this cam for years. Thanks for this
“Solid.”
Subtitles autogenerator: “Salad.”
So stoked you checked this out, Joey is one of my favorite drummers!
Enjoying the videos, g-money. Cant wait to watch ur slow descent into madness throughout the coming months. 👍
I dig the recap bro. Keep it coming!
bro most definitely was waiting for you to react to this, thank you!
Met this band over the summer, some of the nicest guys Ive met in metal
I was at this specific show and it was beautiful! The contortionist is still my number 1 favorite band. 🤟
So glad you did the Contortionist. A huge inspiration for me. Thanks for doing these videos man.
I wish Baca had more vids online. Dude is a BEAST
I wonder why he’s never done a video with Meinl. They showcase almost all of their artists, so it’s strange they haven’t done anything with him. I mean, really the only videos you’ll find of Joey are from drummers anonymous, and some old personal accounts from people who just recorded backstage w shite audio (although I still do appreciate it).
@@jamisonandrewmanhorvaththe1124 Yeah man, I wish he had a personal channel where he just posted random things, kinda like Blake from btbam
I once read a comment that your right eyebrow peaks above your glasses. Now I can never unsee it. It's always staring at me.
Yes, so happy u reacted to this.
Bro, wtf. I come SPECIFICALLY for the post-video ramble - they’re great. I Love the analyses you throw after the video along with the explanations.
#weneedmoreramble
So happy I got to see these dude's open for BTBAM, glad you checked them out one of my all time favs.
I do love it when you ramble after the song is over. I appreciate you pointing out how they were transitioning by prefacing the new time signature, I'm going to have to apply that to my own music!
Lots of fucking with time is the best description I've ever heard of The Contortionists music
So happy you made it to Baca! He's just phenomenal!
new patreon here!! just wanted to support you for making great content. i've watched your carbomb vid at least a dozen times.
absolutely give this entire album a listen. This album is next level stuff, i truly think you'd love it dude.
I feel like you did this specially for me somehow, I've been wanting to see you cover Joey forever! Awesome! This album completely changed the way i look at rhythmic over ride and metric modulation. I dont think theres a single groove on the record where there isnt another tempo orbiting around the main tempo.
Yes!!!! Thank you! I forgot about this band but these guys are amazing!!!
Literally one of the most interesting bands these days. Member changes made the music change A TON and for the better. The new sound with Mike on vocals is fantastic. Check out Last Chance to Reason as well for drums ...another band associated with this act. Both are 👌🏻🔥💯
Yes! I was about to request this on Patreon myself because I was surprised Joey hasn’t been reviewed before
This band has had such a beautiful evolution of their sound, glad you caught wind of their stuff! Their vocalist Michael Lessard is also part of a group called “Last Chance to Reason”; very similar to The Contortionist 👍🏻
Every time I've seen them, they've saved this for end of the set, but after they released they're latest album. I think they did open their old sets with this when supporting this album.
Joey is absolutely amazing drummer and such a down to earth genuine nice guy. If he had more content he’d be so much more well known.
This album is incredible and the drum tracks are amazing!
I really appreciate that drummers can look past the genres and just respect the skill, the technique, and just enjoy a good jam when they see it. You don't find that kind of thing often among other instruments.
Oh my god, you finally did my patreon request, thanks so much!!!! :D For sure give that album a listen sometime when you have a chance! It's many a prog-head's favorite album :) Cheers!
Your descriptive terms for music are so good! "stretchy music," "a swirl in the guitars," etc. They're so accurate
I’ve just started getting into this band...love it
I'm so stoked to see you watched this video, but this is one you really have to LISTEN to as opposed to this poorly mixed live video. You can hear so much more man, this song is beautiful.
Went to high school with this guy! Super cool dude, super great drummer
And now i need to listen to this album again
Fav band♥️
Sick drummer! Sick song!
Do a reaction to Richie Martinez (Arch Echo). His chops are good and his taste is insanely good. Arch Echo makes awesome music.
One of my favorite bands. I fucking love these guys!!!
The video description alone earns a like on this video
Language is a fantastic piece of work.
Dude Hell Yeah! Thank You
This sounds really jazzy, should be right up your alley :)
ABOUT TIME
This whole album is one of the best studies in rhythmic orchestration and composition I have ever heard. Absolutely masterful. You owe it to yourself to listen through it on a good sound system that will pick up all the subtleties in his performance. There's still a ton of stuff from that record that I can't figure out what he's doing, or how.
Hahaaaaa. He nailed it at 5:40 ish the 3 over 4 feel. They (rhythmically) play with that so often. One of my favourite things about listening to this album. The 3 over 4 play.
i 'member that one time, a few years ago, when these guys opened for tesseract; it was so good.
Oh man. Been waiting for this one so long. Never clicked faster.
Wish people would suggest songs where you could actually hear all the drums.
That is why he needs to check out KRIMH!!!
Yeah this is a bad choice for a first listen to Joey Baca...
SCOOTER MCGAVIN do you know Kevin paradis ?
there are also better recordings of this song and joey :( where he can hear the instruments and really understand the melodies and how joey lines things up with the music. it's truly a shame language is some of the best prog work i've ever seen
The studio version lol
Please do a reaction for Stef Broks' playthrough of Shaping a single grain of sand by the late band Textures. Great watching your vids. Thanks in advance!!
Yes! Several of his play throughs from Silhouettes are gold too!
Monster drummer! Their albums were good, but live they were something else. Probably the best live band I've seen.
@@B1tterAndThenSome Would have killed to see them live, and i should have as i lived in Europe when they were at their peek. Anyone got the farewell tour DVD?
He's my drum teacher! Awesome guy and an amazing drummer as well \m/
@@bassheadjazz2708 I saw them while they were touring for Silhouettes (my personal favorite era/lineup of the band) in a small club in Oslo. You could tell that they were having a lot of fun playing together. Also, they were tight like a nun's anus.
Contortionist is like top 3 all time favorite bands for me, everything about them connects with me. Would love to see you listen to Jay Postones of TesseracT do a drum play through of their track King from their latest album, big fan mine! Keep up the great videos, fellow drummer here.
Gotta check out some Alan Cassidy from The black dahlia murder. Maybe the "Into the everblack" Performance demonstration?
I love how focused and in the zone that guy was.
My favorite band 😍😍😍
Their song flourish will have you in tears! :'D happy tears.
You should definitly check out more of their songs.
So pumped I found your channel. Fucking gold.
It's weird how the songs in these videos seem to coincide with the stuff I'm listening to at the moment. I use the weekly auto-generated playlists quite a bit and many of these tunes seem to crop up there on the same week.
Good stuff. It's always nice to watch someone knowledgeable appreciate other masters of their craft :)
I'd also recommend "The Parable"
Yes! The Contortionist is amazing! You should totally create a Spotify playlist with all of these recommendations!
Some other drummers you should check out:
- Jay Postones of TesseracT
- Stef Broks of Textures
- Mike Malyan of Monuments
- Nathan Camarena of CHON
- Dan Foord of SikTh
- Matt Halpern of Periphery
- Dan Searle of Architects
- Dan Carle of After the Burial
- Cameron Losch of Born of Osiris
- Benny Greb
- Chris Turner of Oceans Ate Alaska
- Arnaud Verrier of Uneven Structure
- Buster Odeholm of Vildhjarta
- Matt Greiner of August Burns Red
- Adam Grey of Texas In July
- Jerrod Boyd of Miss May I
- Billy Rymer of The Dillinger Escape Plan
- Eric Moore of T.R.A.M
- JP Bouvet of Childish Japes
- Stan Bicknell's Meshuggah Medley
- Troy Wright of Plini
- Alex Camarena of Silent Planet
- Sam Applebaum of Veil Of Maya
- Nic Pettersen of Northlane
- Matt Kohanowski of Oceano
- Chad Hasty of Glass Cloud
- Morgan Berthet of Kadinja
Viper230 could not have made a better list!
Saw em live a handful of years ago....
Can confirm, hard to headbang lol
im actually so glad you listened to this one
You definitely should give the full recording a listen to get the full spectrum.
Lol’d at 7:20 - “Lotta fuckin’ with time.” You’re damn right!
I've been waiting months for you to do this video
My absolute favourite band of all time. Sick to see you listen to them dude. Really take a listen to Clairvoyant. It's such a good album, same with Language.
Not mad at it, I like the idea of your patreon being used for drummer requests it seems really fitting I mean we are expecting you to react to what we want lmao 😂
The odd time signatures on this entire album are insane. I had to listen to this track at least 15 times to even start to comprehend the ghost notes and chord changes, this band is phenomenal… I love that a jazz drummer digs Contortionist music. That says a whole lot…
To this day one of the best sounding snares on an album,
You should actually try and take some time and listen to that entire album Language by The Contortionist. That is a prog masterpiece in my mind. Super underrated band.
I think the reiterating at the end of these is great haha