Here's How to be a Good Wingman
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ก.ค. 2021
- Ward reviews the basics of safe and expeditious rendezvous and professional formation flying including parade, loose cruise, and combat spread positions.
As they say in the fleet: "It's the wingman's job to be there." This episode explains how.
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Once again, Ward delivers content that NOBODY else has done before. For many of us, any military pilot/fighters is like an Olympian athlete....the cream of the crop, the best of the best, a VERY small fraternity. Ward is one of the very few that can "teach it"....because he literally did. And it shows. Not a single ah, ummmmm, etc. WELL presented, per usual; one of my all time fave aviation channels....and I think THE Best from an ex-military perspective.
High praise, Tommy. Thanks very much.
Agreed!
@@WardCarroll I'd like to see Ward do a weekly news bit. He seems to know about inner workings and seems impartial.
@@noahway13 - TRUE Dat Kieth... On ALL points. 👍🏼
Seems Ward is uniquely Qualified to comment on the ‘Action of the Day/ Week’.
Presentation / Platform skills come w/ practice & experience in the subject
[perspective of a former Corp. trainer 👌🏾 ]. Ward is Expert class! 👍🏼
A man so passionate about fast jet flight instruction, he does it for fun. Is everybody this good in Pensacola? Respect.
I’ll NEVER get the chance to do this but it’s damn fine to learn about this.
DCS World
@@Relics_tv the planes maybe clicky, but real life is a whole other deal.
@@miguelvieira4445 true, but this plus a VR headset allows many of us to live our dreams which we wouldn't be able to in real life. And let's face it, most of us would faint in an unrestricted climb 😁 So until we get neural connection which makes VR indistinguishable, DCS is the best we can get 😁
Modern PC flight simulators are awesome. Surely this wisdom can be used there.
@@filipvidinovski7960 The Grim Reapers DCS squadron fly in formation all the time and even out of mulitplayer you can set up a mission to pratice beig a wingman... Yes it's not the same as IRL aka the risks of formation flight are only resarrting the mission instead of death but the skills involved are the same even if the sim is just an aproxmation of reality.
I should never complain about having to fly a red eye again. After learning more about the patterns you guys had to operate in, potentially short notice, get shot into the sky, then go do this at 0100 for God knows how long, then refuel on a silly wrecking ball boom mounted basket, then go land at the carrier in maybe CASE III at night, all without fly by wire, that has certainly earned some newfound respect (and also the world's most run on sentence) from me.
OK , great video, I am old school ex USAF pilot Class 68-f. Very little has changed except the signals were somewhat different for various formation changes. I am sure if I happened upon a Navy/Marine aircraft , we would manage to formate without running into each other. I enjoy watching and recalling a lot of past exciting moments in my time. I finished my career of 45 years of flying but still can not stop looking up when a plane passes over head. Good informative stuff !
JMP you probably did a Nam tour. Thanks for your service, I was 4 yrs behind you at UPT.
“Safe and expeditious.”
In the USAF and thereafter I’ve sometimes heard “take your time, but don’t take all day.” Both are on point.
Another good video. Thanks!
My first rule to all my trainees is "make money, go home safe". Our military personnel deserve more of both.
Of air force formations, we used to quip, "Same way, same day"😁
From an old F-4 RIO (VF-96), I’ve been tucked in so close that I could have reached up and touched leads wingtip if the canopy were open. Nice tight break over NKX. Not my favorite spot.
Did you fly with Willie Irish & Duke Cunningham?
And from the front seat you could feel when your wingman got tight with some wing overlap. Air pressure from his wing would apply a very slight upward force on lead's wing (at least in Phantoms). Those were indeed the good old days.
@@rockriver2652 VF-161 Chargers on Midway?
@@Nghilifa part of a replacement for Cunningham & Driscoll. Spent many hours in o’club reliving’Dukes’ story of number five, “Canopy to Canopy”.
@@maltesefan3157 F4 are still the king in my book man what a bad ass bird. One of these days I hope to meet Duke a true American hero still to this day.
Let's get ward to 100k 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
Thanks for the support, Matthew! Let's do it!
I'm Doing My Part!
Would you like to know more?
@@kilianortmann9979 Sure. Tell us.
@@WardCarroll 😅 Its a quote from the Movie Starship Troopers.
Its part of a series of in-universe propaganda clips and they always end with "Would you like to know more?"
Tomcat crews look like a cool bunch to be with. It's really great seeing videos like these. We also have C.W Lemoine (Viper and Hornet driver) with his Tomcat videos as well. Too bad I never got to see the F-14 at an airshow. But I remember seeing them flying overhead wings swept back in a hurry through a thunderstorm. Thanks for the video, I learn a lot from you!
i see why you were an instructor..your calm, succinct manner is evident...teaching aids just add to the information process..well done prof...
Flying in the Air Cav in a OH-6 Loach we were sixty knots in the bushes so I never worried about having a wingman. Brought back more tree limbs than I cared for. SCOUTS OUT!!
You ever read Chickenhawk?
It's probably required reading in your former occupation but in the event you never have get it, it's a fantastic book.
One thing that Mooch doesn’t talk about is that when flying close form on your lead, you are constantly moving both stick and power in order to stay exactly where you are supposed to be. The lead had responsibility for navigation and for flying a very smooth lead. In a four plane formation , the outboard aircraft really works to stay in formation as the corrections get amplified the further you are from lead.Joining up on lead is a lot like orbital mechanics: even if you are flying at the exact same speed as lead , you gain on him by being inside his turn radius and you fall back relative to him by being outside his radius. That also means if he makes a turn torts your side, you have to come off the power a bit to stay relative to him and conversely add power if you are on the outside of his turn…
Great content Ward! As a 15 y/on who wants to become a fighter pilot this is all really helpful! Much love from Canada ❤️🇨🇦
Good luck, Tristan!
Hey, my son is 14 and he is also interested. I show him Ward's videos for inspiration. He enjoys as do I.
Good luck to you on your adventure!
In my somewhat limited experience with the Canadian Armed Forces I found they were very professional and well trained. Start finding out now what is required for entry into the job that you want....and do not give up on your dreams.
Also remember that there are many different ways you can serve in case plan "A" does not work out.
Good luck to you...
Same from Italy, good luck buddy
@@alantoon5708 Extensive experience here working with CN military from all branches. I've never seen anything other than total competence, dedication and professionalism. A first rate military in all respects, much respect to our CN allies.
Y'all make everything look so easy when in the air but y'all are constantly thinking, observing and pulling it all together.
Every time I would see an aviator shot down, which isn't often thank God, I think about the amount of training and intelligence that aviator had.
And you guys have to have a remarkable memory.
Yep, takes a lot of time and money to train one of those guy's.
Awesome story! I was born and raised on Point Mugu Naval Weapons testing base Ventura county. I grew up watching F-18's , C1-30's, Hawkeye's, Tomcats, Phantoms as target drones 8 ) everyday. And the Blue Angels twice a year. Also worked and lived out at San Nicolas Island NAS Outlying Field. I was so lucky to see the schite i did. Loved it. Miss it. I love your Channel Mr. Carroll, Cheers & Flysafe.
It's great that Ward shares his vast collection of knowledge and experience with us, I thought I knew all there was to know about military aviation, and every day I learn something new.
Just found your channel, liked and subscribed. I have a little carrier experience, was on Kitty Hawk from '69 to '74. Seen a full on wartime op or two. I lived on the 03 level, my rack was directly under the #3 JBD, I think it contributed to my lack of hearing now. No one who hasn't been there, can quite understand the problem of trying to sleep thru a 2:00 am wartime op cycle under a jet blast deflector.
I can relate.
This puts me in mind of one of the flight exercises at the U.S. Naval Test Pilot School...chase. Of course, you're dealing with experienced Naval Aviators. So they made it dissimilar chase. Like chasing a T-2 with a T-38. Not easy, but it comes in handy when you're trying to keep pace with an RQ-4 (which climbs at 6,000 fpm at 150 KCAS) with an F-16 (which stalls in the 130s, IIRC).
Love this stuff. Ward, Maybe do a video on the sacrifices fighter pilots make to be in that seat. Not all fun and games the way it would appear.
Having a radar lock helped with closure in the first part of the join up. Saved our ass a couple of times.
Question, in combat conditions would you be using your radar in that situation?
The reason I ask is I was an Air Defense gunner (Vulcan) in the Army and we learned to be very leery about using our radar, because it was a sure fire way of alerting God and everyone else to your presence and possibly even your exact position.
I've often wondered if fighter pilots have to limit the use of radar for the same reasons we did, we didn't have chaffe and flares and we sure as hell weren't going to out maneuver an anti radiation missile that got shot at us.
I was a flight line weapons troop for the USAF on F-15s back from the mid 80-90s. Ward, I kinda like your bar here, I want to stick around for a few rounds if you don't mind.
Stick around, Joe. Great to have you here.
It's great to hear how things happen and have someone to explain in layman terms
Ward, love your channel. I’m a veteran of the suck & mother green! Oops sorry I meant of the US. Marine Corps. 78-82 I was a RTO. Field Radio operator and humped a radio and did Communications for the grunts. Loved to call in CAS close air support missions with F-4’s A-4’s A-6’s and F-18’s. I’m a huge Aviation enthusiast especially the F-14 and it’s capabilities. I would love to hear one of your stories of a CAS, or how the F-14 operated on delivering its ordnance on a target on the ground. Thank you for your time in the sky’s protecting our freedom. As we say in Corps Semper-Fi My brother.
This might interest you since you like the F14.
I was an Air Defense gunner (Vulcan) in the Army in the mid 80's, in our initial training for our first aircraft recognition classes when the instructor went through each slide, whether it was a friendly or foe aircraft, he would give it's nomenclature and name and a description of the aircraft's role.
When the F14 came up on the screen he said "Gentlemen, this is the F14 Tomcat (as if it needed an introduction), it's an air superiority fighter, what that means is if an aircraft is flying around in it's area of operations that's because it's ALLOWING it to fly around in it's area of operations".
After that there were no questions about what "air superiority fighter" meant.
And as a footnote, one of these days a sound editor in Hollywood is going to get the correct sound to dub over the image of a General Electric M61 cannon firing, Top Gun was in the on base theater just several weeks before I got out, myself and a bunch of my friends went to see it, when they showed an M61 firing in the movie (although it was incorrectly applied to a Com Bloc aircraft) and the sound of it was over dubbed with the sound of a regular belt fed machinegun we just wanted to die.
Mr Carroll could have listed it as another cringeworthy moment from the movie.
@@dukecraig2402
I was a tank crewman with 4th ID, Ft. Carson 83-85 and remember talking to several ADA guy both at the clubs and on FTX. Just wondering what unit/s you served in. Thanks for being our ADA assets! Loved hearing the Vulcan fire! Basically the same M-61 rotary 20mm cannon as on US fighters.👍
@@kevinhines1765
2/67 ADA, when I was assigned to the unit it was in Manheim/Germershiem Germany where we were part of the 1st Inf Div's forward element, then it got moved to Ft Riley Ks which was the home of the 1st Inf Div.
And yea it's the same gun that's in quite a bit of the US fighters, that's actually what the cannon was designed for, ours were electrically driven at 3,000 rds per min but in jets they're hydraulically driven and fire 6,000 rds per min.
Since 1986 I've been suffering from PALDS (Post Ammo Let Down Syndrome) from not firing one, even my buddies that are class 3 nuts don't have anything that compares, I've been trying to get the VA to recognize PALDS as a legitimate disease but they ain't bitin', especially after I told them all I need is a GE M61 cannon with a lifetime supply of ammo to cure me.
Many life applications from your fascinating narrative. Key for wingman is to be humble and perform as expected. Support is not a lesser role, just a different role. We are plagued with "15 minutes of fame" disease in USA. Be excellent in your assigned role. You will get noticed -- if by no one else, by your lead. Thanks Ward. Love your content.
Ward is giving young kids a head start to being good pilots..I'm Lovin the names that pop up for things ...this video gave us...Goo..for clouds...and Gooned it up for doing it wrong....Nugget Pilots...new pilots...and a few hand signals....Thanks Ward !
Thanks for watching, Harvey!
This is great to see, our little group of digital pilots in DCS use the exact methods you teach for rejoining and parade flight. The Ejection triangle meets the intake. Keep doing these videos, we as JTF-191 all love watching them, and keep dreaming about the day we can get a RIO like you to come fly with us and tell us all the things we did that are bad habits in the Tomcat lol. Keep up the amazing work!
Great to hear, Richter. You guys are awesome.
@@WardCarroll That is amazing praise coming from you! Much respect!
Proudly I was usaf mechanic drip chaser for SAC on Buffs and Tanker IFR systems but Hey you guys were my heroes. Salute!👍🏽🇺🇲. I ride in a Bike club the way you described of course we aren't going vertically but formation is something they love too perform we actually are in awe of Police rider's skills and I just wanted to say I see practical aspects to formation rules for safety on the road as it pertains to group road riding I never really thought about it until I saw your video. Thank you for your dedication and service. 👍🏽🇺🇲
As an avid DCS guy, videos like these are priceless for understanding the real approach to formation and the do's and dont's. I know some of this information may be obvious, but I am glad to absorb to be a better wingman in the digital skies! Hope to maybe join your wing one day out there Ward! Looking forward to the next instruction video!
As a military historian, I have read about the Wingman probably millions of times over the past 50 years and this is the first time I have ever thought about how the Wingman does his job. Thank You!!
Super Video - much like a university course on the Navy and flying F 14s. Ward, please make more of these "how and why" videos !
In the book Race of Aces, one of the P-38 pilots (McGuire) gets sent to his first 38 Squadron and the CO balls him out for not being in tight enough formation. So while the CO looks out his left side, McGuire pulls in so close that his left wingtip bumps the right vertical stab on the CO's aircraft. CO snaps his head around and shouts over the radio, "McGuire, did you just hit me?" McGuire replied, "Just flying a tight formation sir."
Things went downhill for McGuire from there.
Look at that outline of the Tomcat, and that's why it's the coolest jet
Need to discuss the flight lead responsibilities! More flights are screwed up by a bad lead than a bad wingman. The only word you want to hear when describing a lead is SMOOTH. I've seen a bad lead punched out at the Cubi Club for jerking his flight around and everyone just looked the other way. Even though the lead was the senior officer present. Feeling was "it had to be done" before he killed someone.
So true David, my flight commander drove us into a thunderstorm at 8,000' and I went lost wingman. Popped out at 30,000.'
Hey Ward, you take me back to the good old days - was a CoTac in the War Hoover deployed on the Lincoln. I feel like I am in my flight brief. Feels good to have those neurons firing again. THANK YOU. And your Punk books rocked, I was bummed when the series stopped.
Thanks, John!
Love that I learn something new every single time! Thx as always, Ward!
Thank you for the formation flying lesson.
Excellent piece! Great content!
Another great episode and description. Awesome stuff as always Sir.
Thx for all your info. Very interesting. Great vids!
Outstanding Information. As always.
Thanks for the shoutout, Ward! Was a blast to record your theme and I learned a ton in this video (as always). Can’t wait for the next episode.
Awesome info, very well presented, much appreciated! 👍
This is helpful info in the test bay as well for overall SA. Thanks for the awesome vid!
Very good explanations again. Thanks Ward, please continue the good work!
Outstanding! Thank you, Ward!
Great vid as always Sir.
What a grand interesting gentleman !!! If I ever flew a combat aircraft, it would be a honor to be Sir Ward's wingman...In My Dreams !!!!
BZ Mooch!
One of the best, if not THE best flight lead/wingman briefs I’ve ever heard.
Got the “Tighter is righter” mantra down to a science.
Keep up the great episodes!!!
“G” (USN/USMC 1836/7596)
I love these programs. A lot of info and plus entertaining.
As always, informative and fun!
ABSOLUTELY OUTSTANDING BRIEFING!!!! Thank you Sir!!!!!
Thanks! Nice short video. You can read this stuff but hearing it from someone who has done it, will always be much better.
Nice! Thank you sir.
Superb, keep it coming!
Excellent presentation Ward!
Especially for a layman like myself.
Love it! Great info. Keep those classes coming. Been flying the F-14 in DCS since it came out, well practice all of this good stuff with the boys from VNAO
Awesome stuff! Fairly new subscriber- really enjoy your stories and insight.
Nice content. Interesting material.
This was very informative!
Ward
Such great information for those who always had a love of fighter jet flying.
THANKS!
Great video and well presented Ward.
Thank you.
Extremely informative!!
Very interesting, thanks for posting 👍
Ward
Thanks clear and interesting.
Very much enjoyed.
you're a great teacher and you ended this lesson with the Iceman quote perfectly. Thanks!
I grew up loving the f-14 and I'm loving the challenge of learning it in dcs. Thanks for your videos
Love these. Could listen to this sort of thing all day.
Vety eenterestink!! Thank you. I learned some fascinating protocals.
Great info again Ward.
I love how you just get into the things ypu talk about. Thanks for the vid......Semper
Another great piece of "just the facts and only the facts" Naval Aviation instruction. Priceless! Even more credible with the proper military appearance. Looking forward to the next!
Great video!
Thanks Ward!
Truly enjoyed this brief discussion I'll will view more. Good video
Wow tanks for sharing !!
Good stuff Ward, as a former fighter maintainer really enjoy the insider info of pilot lingo and ops of tac aircrew🇺🇸
Thanks for the insight.
I have really been enjoying the videos you've been doing Ward. I've been living vicariously through the amazing tales and stories you've shared with the community. Most of I us (myself included) will never get to do anything you've accomplished but thankfully we have this channel. Awesome video sir!
Amazing video! Love your content, training aids and calming/soothing voice!
Very informative and entertaining. I’d also like to hear more about wingmen duties during tactical action as well as recovery. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise.
Thanks for sharing. i fell like a pilot rookie who will be prepared and trained. I also fly flightsims and appreciate this kind of knowledge.
Absolutely fascinating.
"Snort" snodgrass had a story in one of the speeches he gave, that he barrel rolled over the formation in flight school or top gun and got a mark for it when the flight lead wasn't going the speed he said he would be going. This explains so well why that was an issue.
After watching your video I feel like I just took the clift-note course on formation flying.Even though I'm not a pilot I found it very informative and increases my respect and confidence in the skill and abilities of the pilots flying these incredible machines.Keep up the good work!
Ward, this one is one to your top 10.
Thanks Ward, really enjoy your videos, fascinating!
Thanks, Lance!
Yet another excellent video Ward!!! My girlfriend and I love your videos and watch them every week. I fell in love with the tomcat after having seen the final countdown and have missed her terribly. Keep up the great work sir.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge, we here in Brazil passionate about naval aviation, love it
Thanks, Daniel. Hope you're well down there.
@@WardCarroll we are fine, thanks!
I remember my 2nd flight in the MC-130P, first form flight. I’d been used to flying no closer than 2000’ in trail and we flew proper echelon then 200’ trail. At night, no comms, all light signals. 500 AGL Mod Contour mountain NVG LL. As ever Mooch rocked it in this episode !
Thanks, David!
@@WardCarroll Dave, please. Or Gaslight. Long story but it would definitely meet call sign criteria. Tried to make it today; the fates conspired against me! Had my cigar all cut and stout ready. Maybe next week. Although the zoom technology is daunting; if it doesn’t have tubes and arsenic coated wires I shy away. Gonna try and get a couple of my sailor friends onboard ; one is a former maintenance Master Chief!
Copy all, Dave. Look forward to seeing you next time.
Such a fun video! I can't wait to show this to my DCS buddies!
This episode was made with DCS aviators in mind.
Great video as always.. being a good wingman is important in all aspects of life too 😊
I'll be your wing man anytime!
Love the channel Mooch. Great story-telling and even better instructional/informational videos. I was the other way in the Navy....submarines. I'm using DCS to learn to fly and will start serving as a RIO for some of the F14 guys on there here shortly. Your videos not only peaked my interest in being a RIO, but have given me insight into what to do and how to do it. Keep up the great work.
Over the years I've read some good books on the Tomcat, but this kind of info is what fills all the margins in those books. That and bugging every F-14 pilot and RIO at air shows! lol My favorite was asking a VF-11 pilot about the AWG-9. "You should ask my RIO about that." :-)
Great stuff C-man.
Love your videos!
Great stuff, more like this
One of my management pilots has explained parts of this procedure. He was USAF so the carrier portion will be different but same basic concept. He has a tactical background (RF-4C) and also over 15 years instructor (T-6 Initial). He showed me the rejoin, undercut, parade etc….and as a nod to you Mooch…..used the Final Countdown F-14 Zero scene as the “Visual Training Aid”…..
There is another University of You Tube video is a USN primary pilot training instructor showing basics of formation, join, rejoin, landing etc….he tells his students to walk the procedure as often as possible…..going out for the mail, do a upwind, break, downwind, abeam final straight to the mailbox….develop the discipline and it will come naturally in the briefing room and aircraft.
Good stuff Ward.
Loved this one Ward!
Thanks, Todd!
I appreciate your channel...im here for life!
Fantastic content