This is the "Game Changer" for Carrier Pilots

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  • Using an old Navy training film for contrast, Ward discusses how Precision Landing Mode has drastically changed how today's Navy pilots land on an aircraft carrier.
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  • @MattiasHenriksson-sw7xw
    @MattiasHenriksson-sw7xw 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +160

    As a Swede, we do not have aircraft carriers BUT obviously I'm a great believer in the meatball!

    • @fortworthron
      @fortworthron 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

      I am part Italian... But I'm also a great believer in the meatball! 🙂

    • @DotBone89
      @DotBone89 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Well played, gentlemen!

    • @henrycarlson7514
      @henrycarlson7514 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I agree Meat Ball Yum Yum

    • @adk3229
      @adk3229 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Great work Mattias

    • @ARGONUAT
      @ARGONUAT 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Bork Bork Bork Bork!!!!

  • @chrismaggio7879
    @chrismaggio7879 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +208

    I really need to set up a version of the meatball in the back of the garage so my wife doesn't hit the sides of the garage door opening... again.

    • @cam5376
      @cam5376 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      I have a white mark of the front of a shelf and another on the wall behind, keep them lined up and it works great.

    • @chrismaggio7879
      @chrismaggio7879 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      @@cam5376 I had the tennis ball on the string from the ceiling. She is supposed to touch it right to the windshield right where the mirror is attached.

    • @joshfrazier7748
      @joshfrazier7748 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      😂

    • @DotBone89
      @DotBone89 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Someone is fixing their own dinner tonight! 🤣

    • @jameswhitaker1324
      @jameswhitaker1324 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Maybe you could just have leave it on the taxiway for you to take over at that point?

  • @3ducs
    @3ducs 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +71

    My Dad flew Hellcats during WWII and Panthers in the early '50s. Stick and rudder days. He did a round the world cruise on the Tarawa in 1954, it was an unusual cruise in that they lost no aircraft on it.

  • @Yomamakizmanuts
    @Yomamakizmanuts 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    “It doesn’t make it easy, it just makes it less difficult.”
    If things were easy, everyone would be doing it. Great words of wisdom!

    • @FA18_Driver
      @FA18_Driver 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Yomamakizmanuts put it better than I could.

  • @tomwilson1006
    @tomwilson1006 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +150

    Love those old D.O.D. films from the late 40’s - 70’s, which were made at Lookout Mountain AFS in Hollywood. They have a certain look and sound to them that holds a lot of nostalgia and were simple and easy to understand. Today’s training films seem hard to follow and overly confusing, which isn’t beneficial to new generations of recruits. Keep it simple!

    • @jimb9063
      @jimb9063 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Yes, they seem like parodies when you here this type of narration. Very similar to MOD and public information films in the UK.
      They're far better IMO. Understated, and they presume you can concentrate for more than five seconds without a change in visuals or camera angle.

    • @billwang4086
      @billwang4086 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Yea that’s where they did the moon landing

    • @FA18_Driver
      @FA18_Driver 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      You can’t get more Americana than this and Alex Jones USA 🇺🇸

    • @drgLACity
      @drgLACity 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Same with the old firefighter training films: the guys kept it all simple!

    • @manfredstrappen7491
      @manfredstrappen7491 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They move awfully slow for “new generations of recruits”

  • @cutedogsgettingcuddles9862
    @cutedogsgettingcuddles9862 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +83

    My grandpa flew Bell helicopters in Korea, ran out of gas once on final approach to a carrier, and it was so close he scraped the skids off on the stern of the ship. Another foot or two lower and you wouldn't be reading this now.

    • @babboon5764
      @babboon5764 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      2 more litres of fuel & there'd be nothing to tell too 🤔

    • @paulc7486
      @paulc7486 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@babboon5764if only combat was perfectly choreographed.

    • @cutedogsgettingcuddles9862
      @cutedogsgettingcuddles9862 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@paulc7486 Grandpa had the option of ditching in the sea, but then the two wounded Marines strapped down on the outside would've drowned. He weighed the odds and morality of definitely losing two Marines to probably losing three Marines (including himself), rolled the dice, and got lucky.

    • @paulc7486
      @paulc7486 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@cutedogsgettingcuddles9862 Your grandpa sounds like a badass. If he’s still with us, thank him for his service.

  • @TamagoHead
    @TamagoHead 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    I came from Air Force Parents.
    Dad was in SAC before the merge, and Mom delayed her retirement from Hickam Logistics due to the 1st Gulf War. (She got a lot of overtime as a civilian worker).
    I have to say that US Naval Aviation is badass. Props to our Navy and Marine folk!
    As always, thank you for your continuing service!

  • @scottcooper4391
    @scottcooper4391 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    The old saying I heard (back in my days in VT10) was that Naval Aviators (tactical) can do everything an Air Force pilot can - plus they land on that little flight deck....

    • @ramosel
      @ramosel 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      In my days with VF-102 (before Ed'ward' was there) at a bar in Scotland after flying the Mach Loop, I was told our friends in the Air Force "Flare to land, squat to pee".

  • @lauriekeiski7121
    @lauriekeiski7121 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    In full disclosure, I’m not a pilot but a surface line officer. In 1963 the Navy installed the SPN10 system on the Midway. This was an automated landing system using a precision radar beam locked onto the nose wheel. There were approximately 50 successful traps with Paxriver aircraft. The system was installed on our F4 squadron but to my knowledge no traps were accomplished. Word was the pilots said if their hands weren’t on the stick then they would be on ejection handles

    • @brolinofvandar
      @brolinofvandar 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I was a radar ET aboard the USS Forrestal in 82. Our Automated Carrier Landing System (ACLS) was the SPN-42. Never worked on it myself, though I did supervise the people that did part of the time. The way it was explained to me, as the pilot approached, the radar would get a lock on the aircraft, taking control of it at 5 miles out. That would put the plane on the glide slope properly positioned. Then, at about 1 mile out, control was returned to the pilot, who actually put the plane on deck. I was further told that the radar could, in theory at least, also land the plane, but we weren't certified to that level.
      Also, one of the two F4s we lost that cruise was due to it hitting the ramp during a night recovery. Since they used the ACLS during the night recoveries, we had investigators in our shop going over maintenance records, interviewing the techs, etc, for weeks afterward. They ultimately ruled it pilot error. Nobody survived that crash. I saw the immediate aftermath (radar shop was in the island), burning pieces of wreckage scattered across the entire recovery area, fantail to island.

    • @lauriekeiski7121
      @lauriekeiski7121 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      The SPN10 was full auto. During initial trials it was determined that the radar beam was moving on the aircraft skin thus no good reference point. Solution was a cone reflector just above the nose wheel. Problem solved.

    • @warrenpuckett4203
      @warrenpuckett4203 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Spent time, when I was not in the mushroom locker.
      On the fan tail or on the pointy end under the bridge watching aircraft.
      Between port and starboard watches.
      When it was our turn at plane guard.
      Sometimes on the fan tail a flying fish would land on the helo deck.
      The 1st Helos on the Crommellin was HSL 20 & 21 WestPac 1985. The 3rd & 4th of the SH60Bs.
      HSL 41 had fun times in Earnest Will
      Those were a much better ride than a Huey. Or a S-3.
      Sorry,,, I got in the habit of not making long tapes for radio.

    • @hifinsword
      @hifinsword 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      If I remember correctly, Mode 1A was fully automatic. All aircraft could use the ACLS (Mode 1, not 1A) for the data, displayed needles, etc. once it was installed on the carrier AND integrated into the aircraft display systems, but only certified aircraft could go full AUTO where the CV would control the aircraft flight controls all the way to touchdown. The PLM in this video seems to be pilot controlled, with control surfaces being manipulated by the landing system mode in the aircraft, controlled by the a/c flight computer, not the CV.

    • @frankchagnon9325
      @frankchagnon9325 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The Spn10 was the first Automatic Carrier Landing System (ACLS) used on carriers. This system was replaced in the early 70's by the SPN42 which did do fully automatic landings used by pilots in the fleet. In 1984 the newest version of ACLS called SPN46 was installed on the JFK CV67 which provided greater reliability and used by fleet pilots. The SPN46 has gone through numerous upgrades over the years and was supposed to be replaced by a system called JPALS a more GPS based system starting in 2014. I have worked on three systems, and I'm retired now but understand that system will be upgraded to incorporate "magic carpet" into the ACLS Mode I(auto approach) commands.

  • @curtisphilumalee1447
    @curtisphilumalee1447 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    Everytime you post these carrier landings videos it reminds me back in the early 70’s of watching my dad’s 8mm film of his Hawkeye landing on the Connie on station off the coast of Vietnam. Looked like fun as a kid but thinking about it now it must of been a pretty violent stop.

  • @Roberto-oi7lm
    @Roberto-oi7lm 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +100

    I had to laugh at the training film which perpetuated the myth that you make a carrier approach in a crab since the carrier is constantly moving to the pilot's right. Back in the days of iron men and wooden decks when I was flying the F-8 Crusader ( a particularly difficult airplane to land on a carrier), the ship's navigator in consultation with the Air Boss was able to put the wind right down the angle nearly all the time if there was a bit of natural wind for him to work with. Consequently, we lined up with the center-line and flew directly into the relative wind (coming right down the angled deck) without any crab just like every carrier pass then and now. Airplanes fly relative to the wind and if that wind is lined up with the runway, no crab is required and that is exactly the same on a stationary runway as it is on an angled deck. Of course, if there is a cross wind, you must fly final in a crab to stay on center-line and that is the case with a crosswind relative to a conventional runway or in the rare case of no natural wind at sea when the navigator has no choice other than to put the wind is down the axial deck.

    • @FA18_Driver
      @FA18_Driver 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Ever played DCS? Are those old jets as difficult to trap in real life as their sim counterparts parts? The Tomcat for example compared to the Hornet is night and day. Actually it’s not even comparable. Fly by wire, HMQS, ILS, ACLS, auto throttles. But aside from all the bells and whistles, fly by wire is the biggest difference I noticed between gen 3 and 4 jets. Would like you take. Thanks.

    • @babboon5764
      @babboon5764 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I haven't flow anything with a jet engine but ....
      You're saying you don't have to make any allowance for the fact your 'runway' is itself moving left to right?
      Would I be right in thinking you're best lined up into wind and you have a small touch of aeliron to compensate for the 'its all moving left to right' but that hint of stick is so 'second nature' its almost below conscious level?

    • @mgmchenry
      @mgmchenry 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@babboon5764I haven't flown anything that wasn't a simulator but...
      No aircraft on this planet gets to fly relative to what it's landing on. The wings and the rest of the air frame are carried on the body of air that is quite likely moving at sea.
      It's basic trig to take the wind speed vector, and break that into two components that gives you a heading for the boat at a given speed where the lateral component relative to the body of air becomes zero.
      My frame of reference there comes more from designing simulated guidance and flight control systems, where steering the boat to neutralize crab is simple if you have enough wind.
      That doesn't account for gusts, and most importantly doesn't stop the deck from moving up and down.
      As far as not noticing the slight crosswind adjustment, most of the planes landing on the carrier in the last 40 years have a HUD that's going to make that movement blatantly obvious.
      I can't say whether pilots begin to automatically disregard the markers on their HUD to account for crosswind using their gut, but it sounds like a dangerous recipe.
      Hopefully I've said at least one thing wrong enough, a real naval aviator will come set the record straight.

    • @mgmchenry
      @mgmchenry 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@babboon5764regarding the HUD, what I'm saying is just looking forward you can see where your nose is pointed, and there's a flight path marker that shows you exactly where the plane is going to end up. If your aircraft and your runway are both moving left at the same speed, you can align the flight path marker to the centerline of the runway and with no change in course it will stay aligned. If the wind is also moving left at the same speed, the water line or boresight or what have you shows you the nose is horizontally aligned with the flight path marker, there is no subconscious trim for crosswind going on.

    • @bobharrison7693
      @bobharrison7693 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Actually, it was OOD and JOD (usually connlng the ship) who put the wind right down the angle.

  • @adrianreedy6258
    @adrianreedy6258 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    The Lockheed L1011 had a similar system to PLM called Direct Lift Control (DLC). When the flaps were lowered to the landing position, all the spoilers raised to an intermediate position. Then as you made pitch inputs with the control column the actual pitch remained the same but the spoilers modulated up or down to change the flight path along the glide slope. I seem to remember the spoilers still worked differentially to aid the ailerons with roll control. Worked like a charm.

  • @cheesenoodles8316
    @cheesenoodles8316 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    In my youth, we would watch pilots in F4s practice at El Toro on a mock carrier deck. It was impressive.

  • @beerdrinker6452
    @beerdrinker6452 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +37

    Anyone doubt it takes courage, brains, and skill to fly an airplane, let alone land on an aircraft carrier?

    • @rmack9226
      @rmack9226 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Bro you better keep a towel in your back pocket to help all those pilots clean themselves up after you've glazed them

    • @larrysouthern5098
      @larrysouthern5098 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      No...
      No doubt...
      🐦

    • @chrishooge3442
      @chrishooge3442 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      at night, in bad weather, with a pitching deck...

    • @Farweasel
      @Farweasel 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yep - Doubt it takes all 3 unless you're trying to land on a carrier
      WHY?
      I get by with just a bit of skill and possibly a whisker of luck 🙄

    • @tomeauburn
      @tomeauburn 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      A relative was a wild weasel pilot that flew in North Vietnam to have the same fire so they could be targeted.
      He said when he would fly towards the sun to try to get away from the Sam's that he was monitored for heart rate, and his heart rate didn't go up as much trying to get away from the missiles as it did when he tried to land on the ship

  • @rogfromthegarage8158
    @rogfromthegarage8158 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    So the guy with the last name "Converse" gets the call sign "Keds". Brilliant.

    • @everettputerbaugh3996
      @everettputerbaugh3996 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      You were expecting "All Star"? At least it wasn't Sketchers or New Balance...

  • @frankbarnwell____
    @frankbarnwell____ 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    As some in the navy and the interim have insisted. To some things, there is only one right way to do it. Adding or subtracting a step will absolutely result in failure.

  • @williammrdeza9445
    @williammrdeza9445 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Great content Ward. Loved the old film and the PLM explanation. Quite the contrast in technology.

  • @RogerRamjet156
    @RogerRamjet156 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Still very complicated - like you said: "Only the best get to do it". Thanks for another great video!

  • @EdD-ym6le
    @EdD-ym6le 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    " the ball is not keeping up with the swing of the deck " ... oh boy that sounds fun . Oops forgot it's a Controlled crash .

  • @gregoryknox4444
    @gregoryknox4444 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I'm a retired Captain Airbus guy, auto throttles are so nice lol. Great post Ward.

  • @jonthrelkeld2910
    @jonthrelkeld2910 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Love this video. No way I could put an aircraft down on a carrier and do so staying in one peice or not drowing. My USAF C-130 hat is off to you carrier jocks!

    • @hoghogwild
      @hoghogwild 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Check out the vids of a Herc variant landing and launching without cats and arresting wires. They were testing the Herc for possible COD duty. There was something like 20 landings/launches with progressive weights up to 125,000 pounds by adjusting fuel load. It proved it could deliver over 10,000 pound payloads to/from the boat. Flown by a Marine pilot with no multi-engine experience.

    • @Farweasel
      @Farweasel 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Says the bloke who lands in rockeries for a living whilst people wearing table cloths shoot at you.
      OK a C-130 might not have a whole lot of clearance at the wingtips but ...........
      'Both pretty good' is my suspicion

    • @everettputerbaugh3996
      @everettputerbaugh3996 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@hoghogwild Actually, the Navy pilot got a medal for doing that with a Marine tanker. At least they were kind enough to clear the deck for the tests.

    • @hoghogwild
      @hoghogwild 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@everettputerbaugh3996 yes, navy pilot, USMC KC-130F, almost 30 landings max of 121,000 pounds. One attempt at a 85,000 pounds gross came to a stop in just 267 feet unarrested. Thanks for the correction.

  • @CallsignJoNay
    @CallsignJoNay 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    8:08 - That's not how I interpreted what DW said. My interpretation of what he said is that PLM/MagicCarpet changes the longitudal stick function to control flaps and leading edges instead of the horizontal stabs. Basically it makes the F-18 do what DLC (direct lift control) did for the Tomcat - adjusting the lift of the wing to help the pilot make instant corrections on the glideslope instead of having to spool engines up or down to make the same corrections.
    I don't think he's saying you put the FPM where you want to land on the deck and the PLM does the rest.

    • @everettputerbaugh3996
      @everettputerbaugh3996 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Auto-landing is in the next version; says the sales department.

  • @TSGEnt
    @TSGEnt 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    8:55 Being that guy in green to the right as the f-18 approaches, that view would never get old. 10:55 This was a cool view.

    • @WardCarroll
      @WardCarroll  6 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      It also never gets less dangerous.

    • @Funk_Reactions
      @Funk_Reactions 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      I actually miss that. The view, the smells, the entire process of carrier flight ops. I was a brown shirt. Plane captain at VFA-131.

    • @TSGEnt
      @TSGEnt 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Funk_Reactions rock on!

    • @TSGEnt
      @TSGEnt 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@WardCarroll Amen, but it's the edge that's sharpest, right?

    • @henrycarlson7514
      @henrycarlson7514 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Funk_Reactions Cat steam , Cv 61. Green Shirt

  • @TGraysChannels
    @TGraysChannels 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The Lockheed L-1011 did something like this on an ILS approach. When the Glideslope was captured, moving the yoke forward or aft, did not move the elevator, it moved the spoilers (on the wing). The "lift" was changed without changing the Angle of Attack (or airspeed) of the aircraft.
    Hats off to Lockheed. The L-1011 was decades (or more) ahead of the competition. And while the complexity of the jet made it not economical, it was truly an amazing aircraft.

  • @jazzandbluesculturalherita2547
    @jazzandbluesculturalherita2547 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    "Ejection Vectors" and "The Man from LOX" were two classic titles that have stuck in my mind.

    • @hoghogwild
      @hoghogwild 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      "Ejection Decision" was another great one.

  • @charletonzimmerman4205
    @charletonzimmerman4205 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Nice , but wonder if My Captain, & Idol, Admiral Diego Hernandez, CV-67, 1980 would be "IMPRESSED" ?

  • @frankgulla2335
    @frankgulla2335 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ward, great story about technology helping pilots when they most need it.

  • @richardbonner2354
    @richardbonner2354 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I attended a speech at the High School alma mater of a flying Admiral.
    At Fairborn High School, very near to Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton Ohio.
    Naturally, very many Fliers, mos'ly USAF Fliers, attended.
    At an Officer's Club reception later that evening, the consensus was...
    Navy Fliers are "a cut above" any Other Fighter Driver.
    🙂
    Rick Bonner Pennsyltuck

    • @davidvogel6359
      @davidvogel6359 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I was a crew chief on F-15's and while our pilots were good, we all knew that they were not carrier quality.

  • @user-zx6hy1bo6p
    @user-zx6hy1bo6p 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Midway 76&77 in V2 AG we called "in the groove" and "on the ramp" during recoveries, on our sound powered phone circuit.

  • @neil7813
    @neil7813 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    PLM notwithstanding, anyone that can land an airplane at 130/140 knots on a few hundred feet of moving steel at night in the middle of the an ocean is one he** of a pilot. They truly are the best of the best!

  • @bneyens
    @bneyens 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Wow, you might as well practice playing Top Gun on NES. It was surprisingly accurate training for the time.

    • @jrcrash4644
      @jrcrash4644 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I crashed into the ocean every time

    • @tomwilson1006
      @tomwilson1006 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That game was so hard in 1987!

    • @davidlosey431
      @davidlosey431 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      That is what I was reminded of when I saw that training video! I always crashed, never once landed. My dad could some how land every single time. I never figured it out.

  • @DrewNorthup
    @DrewNorthup 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Ward, It might be worth a quickie at some point about why ILS cannot meaningfully be "a thing" in carrier aviation for us civilian folk out here who keep hearing about "autoland" (which isn't as "auto" as many think) and wonder why the Navy doesn't do it. (I get it, but that's because I understand how ILS works…and why that's not compatible with mission requirements.) If you already did that then a link would be useful.

    • @bobharrison7693
      @bobharrison7693 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Drew, are you by any chance related to ABEC Larry Nothup with whom I served on the Coral Sea?

    • @DrewNorthup
      @DrewNorthup 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@bobharrison7693 Not that I'm immediately aware of. That said, I haven't done a full breadth search of the family tree yet. Given how long my branch of the family has been in North America all kinds of things are possible.
      My grandfather served on the Oriskany, which it appears Larry may have served on 20 years later… (There aren't many of us Northup folk, so based on the assignment & rank it is a safe guess.)

  • @joevaccaro6655
    @joevaccaro6655 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Seeing that old video reminds of the A7 landing 🛬 on the carrier at the end of the opening song in Top Gun. I guess if one is confident enough to land on a carrier, he must really want to be a Navy pilot.

  • @DaveNarn
    @DaveNarn 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I like that old training video, I created similar material for the TRSS schoolhouse at Beale for U-2 pilots. You had to stall that plane to land it. The few times it was tested on a carrier must have been nerve wracking.

  • @stubryant9145
    @stubryant9145 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Glideslope to a moving target is an interesting concept..... Aiming for where the runway will be in 30 seconds, so to speak. Naval aviators amaze me.

  • @Knuck_Knucks
    @Knuck_Knucks 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I always welcome "less difficult". Life is plenty difficult. 🐿

  • @johnnolen8338
    @johnnolen8338 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thanks, Mooch. This one definitely had the feel of one of those old "You Were There" episodes. 😎

  • @jamielancaster01
    @jamielancaster01 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    All right, I think I’m ready for Carrier landings.

  • @FA18_Driver
    @FA18_Driver 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Hey Ward have you ever been in the back of a Tomcat, case 3 in bad weather, with maybe not the best pilot in the unit, and thought to yourself “welp, this is how I die!”, or did you have complete faith in the pilots?

    • @scottcooper4391
      @scottcooper4391 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      As a back seater - I don't think you have any choice - trust your pilot. There are things you can do to help , such as handling the comms, and otherwise back the pilot up . Some of that depends on what the pilot is comfortable with, and should be briefed before flight and maybe a quick review before starting the approach. Try to keep your pilot calm so he can do his best job.

    • @FA18_Driver
      @FA18_Driver 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@scottcooper4391 Man you guys are so awesome. I’m so glad the fighter vets are joining and embracing the DCS community! We love you guys!
      Does the Tomcat really start to shake like that at slow speeds or when pulling g? In dcs sometimes it feels like it’s about to vibrate apart!
      But that speaks to the testimonial of just how well trained our pilots and rio’s are! The fact that you could hop in a jet with someone you maybe have never flown with, and have faith that they could safely get that jet back on the deck even at night is amazing. Pure Americana.
      It must be super eerie flying over the ocean on a moonless night, no horizon reference, no NVGs, just that ever expanding blackness. And then seeing Mom, a literal island of freedom in the middle of the ocean, coming into view as you get to platform, must be an insane experience.
      Thanks for your service, thanks for enlightening me, and come be my back seater for a flight in DCS one time! Man would that be fun.

  • @FunWithCars716
    @FunWithCars716 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Hello everyone from Buffalo Niagara Falls NY USA 👋🇺🇲

    • @jamesfuria3939
      @jamesfuria3939 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Home of the 107th fighter intercepor sqiadron back in the day.

    • @FunWithCars716
      @FunWithCars716 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@jamesfuria3939my dad was a MP in the 107th in the late 50s early 60s and a friend retired from the 107th about ten years ago 😉

  • @SocialistDistancing
    @SocialistDistancing 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    In 2006, my GF and visited the USS Midway. My GF wanted to fly the simulator. It was pricey and she really wanted to get in there. I said, go ahead, enjoy. The cockpits were two seaters snd i just can't remember what they were, F-4s or F-14s. There was 3 or 4 simulators that operated in unison. Anyway, they were short one person to fill the seats. The simulator asked if wanted to jump in the back seat for free. I wasn't going to say no. We did some dog fighting and some carrier landings. I sat in the back, monitoring radar and calling out altitude. It all culminated to a night carrier landing and my GF nailed first time. The simulator crew was impressed and so was I. I told her she should go fly for the military. She was what they were looking for. She didn't listen. A very cool experience though. It was a lot of fun. I've been back to the Midway since, and the simulators have greatly advanced. If you get the opportunity, and don't mind parting with the cash, definitely go do it. Super fun.

  • @darrencorrigan8505
    @darrencorrigan8505 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Thanks, Ward.

  • @softwaresignals
    @softwaresignals 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It's true, small adjustments in vertical position relative to a glideslope can be made using Direct Lift (here using camber control). PLM magic carpet is nice! The recent accident of an F-35 landing on the Carl Vinson shows how mode confusion is now a big issue, as that pilot thought he was in full PLM, but instead had failed to activate it, and the aircraft drifted a bit.

  • @user-vq2ji7om4i
    @user-vq2ji7om4i 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you for sharing Ward.

  • @nnonotnow
    @nnonotnow 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Low and slow is my preferred attitude 😎

    • @macblastoff7700
      @macblastoff7700 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Mister, I don't think I like your attitude.

  • @jeffsiegel4879
    @jeffsiegel4879 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As a wannabe pilot who understands and has successfully played older flight simulators, this was easy to understand. Thanks.

  • @mikeh.753
    @mikeh.753 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Cool stuff as usual. Keep the content coming. Thanks Ward.

  • @robmiles233
    @robmiles233 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Constantly high quality videos.Thank you for your effort Ward and your service.

  • @keithstalder9770
    @keithstalder9770 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Another great video, Ward, thank you!

  • @MichaelTaylor-yz1ss
    @MichaelTaylor-yz1ss 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I remember a time when there were two flying F-35As on the planet and no Cs. I was in the control room for many of those early test flights. There was that time when AF-2 needed to catch a wire with our tiny Air Force hook. That was pretty exciting before the fact, but our test pilot made it look easy, and there was not much to talk about after the fact. Then there was that time we were asked to engage PLM for a landing. We Air Force types were having a hard time figuring out why this thing was needed, but were assured that our Navy bothers and sisters thought it was pretty cool. Our Edwards AFB "deck" is 300' by 15,000'. Thanks, Ward, for connecting the dots.

  • @carpetbagger652003
    @carpetbagger652003 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Awesome as always!

  • @wp-nv3il
    @wp-nv3il 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks, Ward for making the content on your videos so interesting.

  • @ATrainGames
    @ATrainGames 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Tremendous episode, Ward. Concise but full of information. Thanks for sharing!

  • @Thomas-fr8nx
    @Thomas-fr8nx 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Love those deck action shorts. Only the best get to even try, hope they hold onto that standard.

  • @tj4381
    @tj4381 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Still gotta do it old school in the T-45 before you get these nice upgrades.

  • @dennisclapp7527
    @dennisclapp7527 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks Ward

  • @ColdWarAviator
    @ColdWarAviator 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's really great to see a major change implemented in Aviation that both reduces workload AND increases safety.
    The thing I always hated about working in Aviation was running into the old "establishment" or "organizational" response: "we've always done it this way, we're not gonna change it now..."
    Because no matter how well researched and studied a situation is, changes in technology might very well merit a change in S.O.P.

  • @andrewmorke
    @andrewmorke 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Interesting video. Thanks.

  • @sammysmirh3889
    @sammysmirh3889 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Really interesting Mooch thank you

  • @Mak10z
    @Mak10z 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    PLM looks nifty :) something that takes any kind of cognitive load off the pilots is a good thing.

  • @tedmoss
    @tedmoss 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I actually learned something I didn't know! Great!

  • @eyerollthereforeiam1709
    @eyerollthereforeiam1709 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm thinking of your novels, and the character of Creepy, and his methods. This makes me laugh, because that would probably be me in an alternate universe where I'm an LSO.

    • @Jarhead1086
      @Jarhead1086 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Wwwrrrrooonnnggggggggg!

  • @major__kong
    @major__kong 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Computers are better at fine tracking and control tasks than humans. I work in R&D for the Air Force, and we have a former F-16 pilot who works for us. He had that mentality that pilots should fly their plane not the computer. The minute he saw what automation done right can do, he was a convert. Think things like Auto GCAS. But we're taking that a step further into mission things now not just flight admin flying. And not just basic automation. Think entire plays being strung together and flown by the computer.

    • @glennac
      @glennac 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Yeah, just mentioned this to another poster…
      Then why bother with electronic navigation or precision weapons? You’re saying if today’s pilots aren’t flying like WWII flyers then it isn’t “genuine”? 🙄
      Technology will make all aspects of military flying safer. You have a problem with that? Landings aren’t a pilots primary mission. Flying a “package” is. Why are the old times so focused on manual landings? As with navigation and weapons systems, automation allows pilots to focus on the mission NOT these secondary details.
      Come on! It takes billions of dollars to marry a jet with a trained pilot. Flyers died back in the day for various reasons on approach. It wasn’t necessarily because they were bad pilots. Why NOT increase the likelihood of a safe landing every time and preserve that investment in time and taxpayer dollars and allow aviators to focus on the mission not these secondary aspects? Stop making it some “rite of passage” or measure of talent. The military can’t afford to go back to “manual-everything” (WWII). 🙄

  • @pistolpete6321
    @pistolpete6321 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wow, amazing stuff!

  • @tylerouimette2934
    @tylerouimette2934 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great Video Ward! Love the content.

  • @denniswiemer72
    @denniswiemer72 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks, enjoyed this.

  • @jb6027
    @jb6027 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video, Ward!

  • @stovetopicus
    @stovetopicus 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I've never flown anything, not even an RC airplane, but after this video and staying at a Holiday Inn Express I got this landing np.

  • @robertalanfine
    @robertalanfine 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's great to see you doing "location" work.

  • @jazzandbluesculturalherita2547
    @jazzandbluesculturalherita2547 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Another job well-done, Mooch!

  • @timf6916
    @timf6916 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice, good information

  • @whaaaattthe
    @whaaaattthe 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This system is similar to flying the old L1011 and now the B787, which uses spoilers to make changes on the glideslope. The AOA of the plane never changed. Makes shooting approaches so much more stable.

  • @tonywilson4713
    @tonywilson4713 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    AEROSPACE ENGINEER HERE: Have a look at that footage at 9:10 and as the Hornet is just over the other plane WATCH the control surfaces and the adjustments being made to the wings. The Elevators are easier to see but if you go to full screen and slow playback speed you can see the wing flap movements just before the plane goes behind the C-2 Greyhound.
    I now work in industrial control systems and that's some seriously impressive control algorithm work.

  • @jrmotorsports5532
    @jrmotorsports5532 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

  • @JackWaldbewohner
    @JackWaldbewohner 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Commander, well done and I really learned something this morning!!!

  • @mike-cherylsmithson9539
    @mike-cherylsmithson9539 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Your shows are awesome.

    • @WardCarroll
      @WardCarroll  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks, Mike!

  • @Phaser1x
    @Phaser1x 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Love that instructional film. Don’t want to call it old. 😅

  • @barrygrant2907
    @barrygrant2907 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Doesn't make it easy; it makes it less difficult. Super profound statement.

  • @robertw.bauesjr9190
    @robertw.bauesjr9190 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ward, fantastic information. That training film explained a lot, get a real sense of why pilots had to practice (if you will allow that word) even with PLM appears to be an art form rather than an absolute. Always learn something new after watching your videos. Thanks again!😎

  • @johnmorykwas2343
    @johnmorykwas2343 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Landing in weather and a pitching deck requires all of the above, plus luck.

  • @charlesbritzman501
    @charlesbritzman501 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ALWAYS fascinating !

  • @joecrowaz
    @joecrowaz 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    All I know is... Even in the Sim, I STILL get nervous landing on the deck. 😂

  • @180mph9
    @180mph9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great explanation. 👌🏼

  • @Gullpped
    @Gullpped 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I learned on the top gun NES game.

    • @ericshue2376
      @ericshue2376 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I didn't want to say it. It would sound silly. Def perfected the craft on Atari top gun lol

  • @wayneroyal3137
    @wayneroyal3137 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Those approach methods are helpful for as a corporate jet pilot as well! Small corrections, scan and trust the instruments.. as always your videos are the best Mooch!

    • @bobharrison7693
      @bobharrison7693 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Concur. Putting a Premier Jet onto a short, wet runway at night required similar focus.

  • @rlsmith6904
    @rlsmith6904 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you.

  • @trappedinkalifornee
    @trappedinkalifornee 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Blasts from the past for sure👍🏼👍🏼

  • @rElliot09
    @rElliot09 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I remember watching that video prior to CQ in 1996 lol I wish I had PLM all those years I flew to the boat, over 600 traps.

  • @azcharlie2009
    @azcharlie2009 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    There's something to be learned here for all pilots. Airspeed is king on approach. Control your height with power. Not pitch.

  • @tolson57
    @tolson57 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What a slap in the face to all the Aviation rates in that Hornet squadron, a Personal Specialist as the Senior Sailor of the Year.

    • @WardCarroll
      @WardCarroll  5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Dumb comment with no knowledge of how the decision was made within the command.

  • @Deltarious
    @Deltarious 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    6:44 although you make a landing you are significantly fast in your Hornet landing footage here. The velocity vector should be *trimmed* inside the "E-bracket" and the FCS will maintain the angle of attack for you leaving you free to focus almost entirely on lineup and power

  • @rapid13
    @rapid13 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    "Liquid landing?" That's awesome!

  • @davidward7570
    @davidward7570 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Ward, are there any ship stabilizing features that help with ship roll/pitch? Some cruse ship companies advertise "underwater wings?" that help with ship stabilization. Keeping passengers more comfortable.
    This episode was good poop. Thanks.

    • @WardCarroll
      @WardCarroll  6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Nimitz and Ford class don't have wings underwater and are designed to be stable. The hull being gigantic doesn't hurt either. Thanks for watching!

  • @jamesmurray3948
    @jamesmurray3948 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Lockeed had "Direct Lift Control" on the L-1011. Biased the spoilers a small amount up on final. First few degrees of column movement gave more or less spoiler and no pitch change.

  • @airplanes42
    @airplanes42 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The hoops we jump through to make the aviators think they are in command of the airplane, ironically at the same time as every tool becomes more of a crutch.

  • @alanclark639
    @alanclark639 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Any guy that has completed carrier landings has my eternal admiration! Hard enough in my uncle's day when the Fairy Swordfish was standard in the British Fleet Air Arm - his group of 24 trainees lost two aircraft and a learner while still on a land base practise field marked out as a carrier deck complete with island. Double, triple difficult in fast, heavy jets!
    To me that featured approach looked far from Positive Attitude till very, very close in - yer fantastic touch down. Hats off!

  • @manasyoga
    @manasyoga 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    😊thank You !❤

  • @bobchronister3429
    @bobchronister3429 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like how they used an S-3 for the demo aircraft form. Or so it seems😊. Those films always sounded like they recorded it in a can.

  • @henrypuyi5485
    @henrypuyi5485 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I don't know Mooch, with PLM and future improvements to it, kind of makes the aviator a bus driver and having to learn more of what NFO's do for battle space management since that is where its going. Good vid. Thanks.

    • @Mvcrash
      @Mvcrash 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Computers break, you still need to know how to fly the airplane and land it.

    • @hefeibao
      @hefeibao 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Are you sure? It's a workload reduction tool, just like autopilot. Autopilot doesn't mean I can stop flying the airplane, but it does mean I can pay more attention to other tasks vs. trying to maintain level flight in addition to other tasks.

  • @garrysekelli6776
    @garrysekelli6776 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    The meatballs lol.