Vietnam Wants English Teachers WITHOUT a College Degree 🇻🇳
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I don't think a college degree is gonna correlate that highly with being a good English teacher. Yes they should screen the teachers, but a college degree (or a specific major) is probably not the most useful criteria.
But I refer to have degree. Because here is not enough English teacher in VN, Just take what ever available.
Vietnam has already lost many unqualifed English teachers. Simply put not enough teachers for the demand.
Cool
The news article might not have been clear, but this discussion wasn't about letting people be teachers in Vietnam without a college degree. It was about allowing English teachers without a bachelor's degree in teaching specifically be English teachers. There is an exception that allows those who have a bachelor's degree plus TEFL to get get a work permit anyway, so this doesn't really affect degree holders either way. But it's definitely not about them allowing non degree holders to work here as teachers - they're strict on that here.
In my opinion in the real world, regardless of laws, where there is a shortage of workers employer have to be flexible. The work will have to get done.
I am a teacher here in Vietnam and this isn’t entirely true. You still are required to have a TEFL to teach at any school/English centre, and to have your visa sponsored legally, you do need a degree. No exceptions. They may hire teachers to start but most will end up having to leave because they won’t have the legal documents required to obtain a work permit. I have personally watched this happen over and over again.
good information. they wanna get rid of the college requirement but still will require a tefl or tesol as I said in the video
@@fatandbroke That's not true at all, they're making the requirements more strict in some provinces. Now in Binh Duong you can't work legally as a teacher without a certified document of 3 years experience in a country outside Vietnam alongside the already required bachelor degree and TESOL/CELTA.
@MT bro I just read the article of what they proposed. Not like I'm making information up . I read the article word for word
@@fatandbroke That articles is about one committee's opinion. It's not a depiction of the current requirements. If anything it's becoming more stringent. Half of the teachers at my school have to leave because of that new requirement of the experience letter. I'd rather your interpretation be true but that's not the current situation unfortunately.
@MT just reading what some are purpose. At some point they will have to make it easier as demand will continue to rise.
As long as an American has a high school degree. It’s should be good enough. You’re teaching English in Vietnam and not US
Qualified teachers in China can earn up to 40k yuan per month, and receive a generous housing allowance plus flight reimbursements and bonuses.
This works out to around $5800 per month.
Tell me more
and zero freedom of speech
My friend teaches English in Korea and only gets paid $1200 a month. Pretty garbage compared to Vietnam
Cambodia is also $1200
I used to live in Korea, and I was making about $2,200 a month + rent. But that was 12 years ago. Yeah, with the horrible exchange rate these days, it's more like $1,200 - $1,400. Shit money for 2023, really.
I teach in korea and make $1700 with free housing
@@welfareleech1525 what? I used to get 2.5 million krw with housing. Korea's gone to the dogs it sounds like.
I make almost 3x that here in HCMC
Do you have an update on this?
I'm a licensed English teacher with two degrees (English Lit./Secondary Ed.) plus the TESOL certificate required here; I speak Korean and French quite well too. I'm having a hell of a time getting a work permit now, incidentally. FJB.
Fjb
Great news!
I hold a B.A and an M.A in English Lit, this is great news for Vietnam (slightly bad news for me) imho.
It makes sense on paper that only people who were taught English should teach English, but in practice, the Vietnamese hiring manager, teachers, and parents are much better able to tell if someone is a good teacher than a piece of paper ever can.
Certainly, the average person with a B.A, is better at teaching than the average person without one, but the TEFL industry is really a lot of on-the-job training, and there are great teachers with no degree and terrible teachers with degrees.
No, a degree doesn't mean anything... someone who has more life experience is certainly better for teaching than someone with a degree.
@@zfouleur They said you must have the certificate.
Cool video! Thst city is buzzing! I'm taking an online TEFL course now
How was the course?
Did you travel to Vietnam?
I was offered about 6 jobs teaching last time I was in HCMC a month ago. What needs to happen is police background checks to filter out predators.
Amen !
Do you have a degree?
as long as they have a TEFL or TESOL they should be able to AT MINIMUM follow a curriculum! at least being a native English Speaker is a good start!! the whole course is designed to teach the person HOW to teach someone to speak English.. the rest comes down to individual character of the applicant!!! Even people with a degree can still be irresponsible or 'get caught in the sauce' as you say.. the qualifications don't make any difference!!! I knew teachers who don't drink, have no degree and lost their jobs because of the restrictions, and some who have masters degrees or even are headmasters and are regularly out drinking ridiculous amounts every day getting pissed and then going to school the next day or even drinking in lunchtimes... just bring in random alcohol and drugs testing for teachers from Mon - Fri, what they do on weekends is their choice, but during school time/working time they need to be stone cold sober if they wanna work around kids...... that should weed out the bad apples!! simples!!!
Getting TEFL/TESOL is easily attainable thru these certificate mills. If they go thru with this and not require uni diploma, this plus the 90 day tourist visa will reopen the flood gate of the sewage of begpacker 'teachers' pre-pandemic
White is king in Vietnam and it already is hard for those non-whites with proper qualification to get a job offer. This will just make it damn near impossible
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Cool, let's see. I'll go if it happens.
It would be great if they offered the 90 day visa and made it possible for people without college degrees to teach. They should be limited to the age groups they can teach, pass C1/C2 level tests, and be paid less than those with a degree. Even in the US we have teachers with actual teaching degrees that suck. It really depends on the individual. Not all people from English speaking countries are proficient in English. It should be at the discretion of the hiring school. They should have an HR staff member that can evaluate whether or not someone is suited for the needs of their students.
I appreciate that you keep us updated.
I just moved out here from America to find a job, but if this law goes into effect, it'll be the final nail in the coffin for me. Don't get me wrong, HCMC is OK but maybe a bit of a let-down. Salaries aren't great with the Filipinas, Indians, Moroccans, and Russians flooding the market. Training centers have obnoxious, imbalanced schedules anyway. "Hi, Mr. Foreigner. We want you to teach for 3 hours on the weekdays, and 10 - 13 hours on the weekends." I mean, I knew about the salary and the weird work hours before flying over here, but I was itching to check Vietnam out anyway.
It's cool that I can recognize some of the places when you're walking around. Thanks for the video!
Didn't the Vietnamese government just ban anyone over 60 from teaching in Vietnam? Banned retired teachers on basis of age now downgrading qualifications in order to cover the losses they have ceated
Intriguing, I never heard about that. It's discrimination but of course that doesn't matter here.
Please let me know if french teachers are in demand in vietnam
Thanks for the info Chris. Does anyone know if it's possible to be a part-time English teacher in Vietnam? Say, 20 hours maximum per week, and still be eligible for sponsorship & _Work Visa_ or TRC by a major company? (Assuming I were a very qualified candidate, that is. I speak 3 languages; English is my native.)
Yes
Did you get your answer ? I want to know the same thing
@@Itsjodi_Lucia I basically dropped my pursuit of this idea. Yet if you are serious, I believe you'd want to hear the answer directly from a company who actually employs teachers (or expat employees). Or from some immigration lawyers in Vietnam; I would think they would actually know even more. There is at least one such channel here on Yt. Let me know if you can't find them.
@@Shakespielberg thank you for your response 😊I am a third year student and with these new regulations I doubt I’ll be able to obtain a work permit legally- hence I’m giving part time teaching a thought while completing my degree online. I’ll continue my search on TH-cam then and possibly find a company that could assist😄
To be an English teacher you have to speak like natives, no accent?
I would love to visit/ work in Vietnam, . I have a college degree in accounting( not university) in Canada, and although I've been here 20 years I do have an accent, I immigrated from Eastern Europe.
I have the experience in studying English in HCM city. I studied three classes at two different English centers and my teachers come from Canada, US, Ireland and England. Honestly, reputative English centers and students would prefer the native rather than the accent. I heard a story that an Indian teacher with a standard American accent was rejected by a famous English center just because of his Indian passport. However, there are still chances for them in the less famous centers.
E-visa is active for 90 days on their website gotta write down on application what and where point of entry will be made if using evisa can’t just show up at a random checkpoint/ immigration ,
customs.. paper visa yes no on the e-visa beautiful place beautiful people 💯
Awesome vids , man 👍
I think it is super interesting. It would be wise of them to move forward with it but there needs to be caveats that make you prove you are a solid hire that will help the country.
VN try to accelerate English speaking.
Is this still the case?
I share with my fiancé sister, 2 little girls.....I think 2 schools have shut down...
What districts would you recommend English teachers to live and work, with the main goal of meeting international people from all over?
expats seem to really like D2, i do not but most do
The area just outside of D7, Nhà Bè has a few apartment buildings with rooms to rent. If you don't mind the higher cost, D1 or D4 is nice since you're at or about in the middle of the city.
I don't think a college degree is necessary to teach English, but I think certified in-classroom training should be required. The issue with the online certs is everyone passes so it's hard to weed out those who will perform poorly when actually teaching face-to-face. The reputable employers and training schools require an in-class demo.
What considered a good paying teaching job usd?
Said in the video bro
@@fatandbroke lol you right, heard after I posted.
$2000-$3000
As far as I know, in practice, established, serious schools can get work permits for teachers without degrees - though it will cost them some fees. That's how things get done in SE Asia. People who think you need a degree to teach ESL are insane. In some cases, you would be better hiring someone with a background as a prison guard or stand up comedian.
I can’t wait! I can’t wait!😜
Fantastic news! Major game changer for me, plan was to get RV in Thailand and visit Vietnam 3-4 months a year. If this change actually happens and I could go part time then I could reverse the plan (without having to deposit $25,000 in a Thai bank. YOU DA MAN! 👏🏻👍
game changer ..
Try doing a video about the 4 Vietnam airline flight attendants side hustle for $422 usd to carry toothpaste of around 10kg but was caught by customs. The toothpaste was laced with drugs. They’re facing a minimum of 2 years, life in prison or most likely the death penalty. This happened two weeks ago I think.
So what's so special about those flight attendants? I don't get it. They got what they deserved so who cares. They played stupid game won stupid prizes.
Stay frosty
Make sense
The best English teachers are native English speakers.
How is that possible? They never had to pass for any difficulty 😂 they don't know what is the worry of passing IELTS. In Vietnam, native speakers just come and receive everything for doing nothing 😂 what can they teach?
@@angelpirulin9395 If I want to learn to speak Vietnamese, I will have a Vietnamese person teach me. Not some person from Italy.
@@MyLifeThai371 Right...that's what I thought when I moved to Canada.
They have no accent when they speak, but you'll be surprised how many natives can't spell or write grammatically correct.
I don't know how many times I had to correct my colleagues in college.
@@angelpirulin9395easy answer. I can read your comment and see it was obviously written by a non native speaker. You shouldn't teach English, you ban barely speak it
@@ryanmiller3330His English is definitely correct. This is an informal setting so it is okay if he didn't punctuate properly, and it can also be as a result of auto correct. Native speakers make mistakes as well.
In my opinion the best English teachers are not native speakers. I would favour a fluent English speaker who STUDIED English at some point. That person sees the language from student’s point of view
No. Wrong. The best English teachers are NATIVES who have STUDIED English and who have LEARNED a second language themselves, i.e. actual real English language teachers and specialists.
@@metalhamster14 I agree that those native speakers who have studied a foreign language are even better. My point was that teachers should know what it is like to study a FOREIGN language, no matter what the language is
I think it depends on how fluent they are. I've met some English teachers in S. Korea and couldn't even understand them due to their thick accent. As for native speakers, some couldn't even use the correct grammar. Native or not, as long as their fluency in English is good and not there to party, it should work out regardless if they have a degree or not. Everything should be divided off as vocal or writing, from there you can target the specifics.
@@retrotero76 Agree
The best people to teach the English language are the English 🏴.
couant mey in!!!!
No spelling skills eithear
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Big Dawgs thanks for coming through
But i am not getting no jab.
Careful with the double negative G.
It's never a good idea mate to have the uneducated educate young minds.
Given how messy VN is I'd say that people from other third world places (the Philippines, Africa, India etc) are the BEST suited to teach here. Also, the more educated you are (ie you've got standards) the MORE you will struggle here. But because of racism most VN people DON'T want to have anything to do with people who aren't white.
Yikes ! That last part, I’ve been told that they would make an exception for me if I was white. Sad but it’s true, I’m from South Africa and mixed- I would love to apply to VN, do you think it’s plausible?