I don't raid anymore not because it's scary, but because I'm 64 and thankful I can still play at all! heh. I raided WoW Mythic for a few years so I do get the sentiment, it's hard work, often frustrating and best done with friends. And drink. Lots and lots of drink. I remember when we cleared Garosh Mythic (Server first, woot!) most of us were just a bit under the weather, so to speak. The voice chat was something I'll always remember and cherish. "Did we kill the f*&^er"? "ermm.. I think so. is there another phase?" ""not sure" and so on and so forth until the gm chat congratulated us on server first.I don't think they do that anymore, just world firsts now. It was magic. Nowadays though I forget mechanics and fall off things and stand in sh*t, don't move when I should and move when I shouldn't. Don't get old, kids, it sucks.
Heck, some extreme fights are harder than some savage fights. Zurvan gave me so much more trouble than Bahamut for example (synced of course) even though I had a bigger ilvl advantage on Zurvan
@@vbarreiro there's bound to be exceptions and difficulty is an opinion. In shadowbringers though I don't think we've had a trial as hard as savage. Warrior of light whooped me for a hot minute but generally speaking trials are a good starting point.
I wish there would be a Text UI small font option. we only have normal and big options atm. sometimes UI still looks bad and too clunky. and even with all these crazy animations.. sometimes skills don't feel impactful...also 2.5gcd? also we need new 2v2/3v3 map like Glory Arena from The Kings Avatar...and Blue mage enabled in PvP could be fun. I mean they balance ačl classes for PvP why can't they balance blue mage too? also more epic mounts that aren't that impossible to get or p2w. also PvP missions/quests and more PvP mounts would be nice. Pve and Story is already amazing in this game..they just need to work on some pvp features. or sound/pop-out notification for Frontline que would be nice...so I don't need to watch at the game for 15 minutes lmao. or mybe preview for PvP class when u make a character...event ho youtubers cover that
@@GamingDualities honestly I was thinking if there was just a separate queue/ game that was just for BLU. Wouldn't need to worry about rebalancing. just put the blu all in one spot over there or what could be fun is a set of PVP skills, some are unlocked in overworld, but you also have chance to unlock them in PVP, provided you actually win the event.
@@GamingDualities I’m not experienced with the pvp battle system at all but in the rest of the game you use skill/spell speed stat to lower your gcd. Running endgame content with 2.5 is very outdated and unoptimized
I have few things of advice to give to people that want to learn and do end game content. 1. Don't be afraid to go in and try it out, the fights are fun just remember do not join a phase 2 party if you have not even been into a fight. The biggest OOF moment is when we have a party up for phase 2 or enrage party and we have to teach the mechanics to someone who has never been into a fight, it leads to rage and very unfriendly moments from others. 2. Utilize your Black List to weed out the people that give you a terrible experience. People can be harsh rude and mean in end game content just be prepared for that. 3. Mechanics > Heals > DPS. it's nice if you can pull big numbers but numbers do not mean anything when you are dead. Save the greed for after you learn the whole fight and are comfortable doing so. 4. Lastly, just have fun. Do not let anxiety win over what you want to do. The best thing you can do is put your foot in the door and taste the waters. ^_^
@Ernest Samuels You need a group of friends to go in with you. If you use Duty Finder to find people, you'll end up in a party of people that know the fight better than you do, and then you'll be inconveniencing people like Kevin Miller up there who doesn't want you to join a party for content using the in-game tool designed explicitly for that purpose.
@@MCWilson You completely misunderstood what they said. Parties are perfectly labeled with expectations and frustrations come when people join parties that don't meet that criteria. What they said was if you are stepping into a fight for the first time, you join a Learning/Fresh Progression party, not a Phase 2 party. A Phase 2 Party wants members who are familiar with getting to Phase 2 consistently so the group can learn past Phase 2.
This! I joined a static and we are all new to extremes/savage content. We just got our first clear on memoria misera and although we died a lot it was a ton of fun. This is content you actually have to practice. You can't just look up one guide and then think you know the fight. I myself really wanna get into doing savage content. Normal raids are getting boring and I wanna try something different
@Ernest Samuels do them. If you die enough times you roll begin to recognize patterns that help. I actually lern patterns of a fight so I can position myself early. Watch a guide and pick out the major mechanics, if you do that, then you should be able to work around the little stuff but easily clean it up later. I really wish they would make a practice thing to help people learn. Like maybe an arena where you have to just do mechanics and doge big aoes kinda like the novice guide duty thing.
Something that helps me get over anxiety before going into a new savage fight is looking up guides for that fight on youtube. Having an idea of what to expect makes learning a new fight less overwhelming. Just remember that its ok to make mistakes, you and everyone else in your group are going to make a lot of them.
in practice groups you'll pretty much never be yelled at, because all are learning the fight. just don't go into a kill party without having an idea about the fight mechanics or with very low dps, because in those ppl track dps and will call you out if you are severely underperforming.
The secret no one really tells you is that generally they're also all X year olds being scared to be yelled by another person. Yes you'll have the frustration rages, people who haven't learned to respect other people or their time etc, but most of the time it is a lot of people with this exact shared anxiety. The faster this feeling and empathy is shared, the more you'll be able to find real comrades who will take you to the end, and you will in turn do the same.
savaging raiding just sucks. the amount of times i did e6's, and got to the final phase and never could complete it, it was astonishing, it made me hate the game and i quit, and i still havent came back
I've been interested in the savages only to get the mounts, but my anxiety, slow learning, and limited time have kept me out. And I've seen how my friends get upset at those who aren't very good at savage and how salty they get, and I don't to it because I hate getting yelled at. Hell, my anxiety even kept me from being in call when they do it because I was afraid of saying something that would distract them. So I just wait an expansion or two and then unsync it, and even then, it's still difficult for me. I have trouble keeping up with too many mechanics at once. The hard content is the once place in FF where I don't feel I belong in.
Often times it just "looks" overwhelming. Trust me. Try to see only the parts in the fights that actually matter to you. Sometimes its more, sometimes they are surprisingly few. Look up a guide and whenver something is explained, see if it actually bothers you as a dps/tank/heal. And then only remember the ones you have to. Makes it easier.
If your friends make you feel uncomfortable raiding, don't raid with them. Find other people on pf, reddit, or Discord. Look for people who want the same thing you want and are at about the same place with similar expectations. You may want a casual group if you want something less anxiety inducing. But if you have a group that understands that everyone is learning and trying their best, and you put in the effort, then you'll do well :)
I know groups that took 3 months+ to clear all 4 floors. They are all having a good time even with the slow pace. It is always better to raid with a group that takes months to clear but you enjoy every moment of it than with a group that can clear in a few weeks but you can't wait to get the hell out after the reclears. Just find the right group that fits your pacing. Practice, practice, and practice, you will get it.
There´s absolutely nothing wrong with this. I´ve played FFXIV for years now (since about 2015) and I´ve never done a fresh savage or extreme. I´m not going to give myself grief and depression for a few item levels or a mount I never use anyway (looking at you Kirin and Firebird). I´ll never forget the time in Mists of Pandaria I wanted to join a raid (they locked story behind Raid) and I was escourted to a training dummy to have my DPS analysed and told I couldn´t raid. I always thought FFXIV players were different...at least here I´ve never in 5 years been told 'what are you doing here your gear is shit' never. No one has ever commented on my gear or DPS unless I asked for advice.
I tried getting back into WoW a few months ago, but I started to see how toxic they got when it came to raiding. My closest friend plays still and I love the dude, but that raid had us yelling at each other. When you have to start yelling back at a friend for a recreational activity that is intended to be fun...you should either avoid the content or them. This is a game. It's for fun. There is no legitimate reason for someone to yell at you as if it would magically make you better.
Very timely video Zep lol, I finally found my first static and have been preparing for the last week only to pull out yesterday - I was way too nervous and less ready than I thought.
Stick with it friend. It's more intimidating in thought than it is in practice. Just need to roll with a group of supportive/ likeminded players... Which is actually the harder part.
Hey, I’d tell you to try again! Maybe ask to rejoin them if they still have a spot open? Savage is all repetition and memorizing mechanics and learning the best way for you and your group to do them. DPS doesn’t matter until you’ve hit enrage a couple of times and have the mechs down pat. Tanks and Healers get a couple extra mechanics, as well, but if you’ve been consistently playing either role for a while, it shouldn’t be an issue. 90% of it is just nerves, and video guides tend to make it look worse than it actually is. Just remember: always ask questions and speak up. It’ll make you a better raider. Edit: Speaking as someone who just started savage raiding a week and a half ago lol, forgot to mention that
You can use stone sky sea as a dps calculator. They have websites where you can enter the fight and your kill time and it give you a decent estimate of your rdps. Ffxiv azizarar I think is the one. For this savage tier you want at least 19k rdps, which is about a 20-30s remaining stoneskysea dummy kill time.
just starting heavensward, I had so much fun with the ARR extremes trials. It feels a bit like a coop, less intimidating, dark souls boss fight. You have to pay attention to the boss do your part of the job and most importantly learn. Knowledge is power and using the knowledge you worked to obtain getting you to success is one of the most satisfying thing ever. I can't wait to try more content like this.
Thank you for this insight I’ve been playing ff14 for a year now and I’m just looking into the more hardcore raids this put me at ease I was over thinking this for nothing love the videos keep em coming
I spent the last 3 days thinking about try savages and BAM, you drop this video! Funny thing I played as healer for years in WOW and I used to raid all the time, but dancer is my first dps ever. I know I'm good but I'm terrified to get my nerves wrecked trying to damage, walk - and breathe - at the same time. Thank you for the tips!
As a correction, the stone sky sea does take into account downtime in the battles that you are forced to take and they are usually overtuned for the damage you actually need to clear. For example, with the latest crafted outfits, you can usually not clear the savage stone sky sea for the final mission but groups can clear those missions with those same outfits. In short, stone sky sea is an excellent tool to gauge your damage output and job understanding, hitting it for a long time to consistently defeat it or reach a very low percentage for your given battle is also a great way to commit the job operation to memory and you will definitely see an improvement in performance in the actual battles from that.
Thanks for the video, I've felt the same way with my summoner so this video was really helpful to straight myself out and do dive head deep into the savages! Thanks Zepla!
Ignore this video. The best way to get into harder content is just to start PF up for ultimate with duty completed turned on and saying need a clear for a friend. If they ask you who the friend is just say me, nice to meet you. You don't need to know anything about the fight. Works 100% of time.
Do it. Go for it. It’s overwhelming at start but it’s rewarding and perhaps the best environment to learn how to be actually good with your class. Good luck!
Ya know if zeph knew right now how much I appreciate the delicateness used i, I think she would see that it’s rekindled hope to all of us like myself who did savage and extremes but felt like returning to them equals super toxic bullying, Know at least there is a growing awareness for it and that more people are willing to be more patient with such fights than a few years ago! It is true that any rewards a player can get from these fights without question is worth the learning process the most of most fights in the game. My biggest reward that felt a milestone was the day I unlocked ucog and uwu. I guess I feel that way because to me - they along with other ultimates serves as an outlet showcasing all the combat mechanics I have learned in the game, which to me feels like a true completion of the game, even though with mmorpgs it really doesn’t end.
Yoshi P stated in a previous live letter that he doesn't mind the third party program as long as it's not used to call out bad dps without the consent of other players, which is an instant ban if reported. Most high-end statics uses it to parse and try out new strats to see what is most efficient. But like every tools it's always a double-edge sword.
Great video! I had only started playing for a few months and knowing that this high end content is what people who have been playing the game for 9 years are doing now made me think I wouldn’t handle it. I took the leap and made a PF saying new to high end content and PF in general and filled instantly with others like me. We were able to clear after a few hours. You can do it!
This video could not have come at a better time!! I was literally just browsing party finder the other day for the first time looking to see if anyone was doing any savage raids or extreme trials.
Dont be scared.....have fun. Let party know its your 1st time. It's just a video game after all. And if anyone is mean....call me and I'll kick their ass!
I recently started high end duties and managed to learn and clear Sapphire weapon a few times. I feel however, that this is the limit of difficulty I can manage. I had to learn for 4 hours and heard that this is one of the easier fights.
4 hours is pretty good time to learn extreme content (though I have never done sapphire). Don't sell your self short, you're probably on par with the average savage party.
Don't wanna be that guy, but you mean Emerald Weapon? I'll agree, Emerald is slightly easier, or so I felt, but people do have trouble with the sword drops. Don't worry! It's all practice.
@@shawnspringstead no, no it's really not. four hours (not including downtime, switching of groups, etc) is quite a long time to learn extreme content.
Totally agree with stepping away from savage raiding if you tried it and doesn’t enjoyed the experience. I’ve hardcore raided Sigma and Alpha and totally burnt myself out of the game. Only able to come back after I decided to not touch savage again and go full casual. Have been enjoying the game hell a lot more ever since.
As an older gamer (I could be most players father) the number of mechanics ALWAYS intimidate me until I looked at how far I have come with good learning parties willing to teach step-by-step. Slow prog parties learning a mech per hour will make permanent progress in the end. I do most old content in my sleep now!
I avoided savage for a long time. Then I just forced myself to do it, and I'm glad I did. Most ppl are cool, and remember even if you aren't great, there are plenty of others who aren't master's of their class either.
started e9s , empty planes giving me ptsd , remembering about how many time i accidently step on other ppl platform f me over , other than that its pretty doable
High level endgame raider here. If you are nervous about going into party finder with the fear of other people being toxic or failing to meet certain expectations whatever that might be, the biggest thing is that if you go in just be open minded and ready to learn. Even if I had the absolute worst dps/tank/healer in my party, if they are nice and willing to take advice I'd rather party with that player than the person who thinks they know what they're doing. Everyone starts somewhere and the raiders know this. Just beware of some people that would be toxic no matter what you do, these people exist in every part of life but don't let them discourage you from trying something you might really like. Find friends or something if you need the helping hand for savage and I believe that you'll be fine. That's all I will leave you with.
Hey Zepla could you talk about one of my biggest gripes I have with ffxiv? and that is that there just ain't enough space to save all the glamour that the game provides which is quite off turning from the game as each patch more and more glamour gets introduced with nowhere to put it.
@Zepla HQ I've been watching your stuff for a few weeks now, and learning a LOT about ffxiv. I'm slowly getting into the game and I'm finding all your videos very helpful. But PLEASE for the love of GOD! Dust your monitor top, mic arm, and wash your mic filter! Seeing the dust I'm your setup makes me sneeze! Hahaha jokes jokes. But seriously. Not jokes. Keep up the awesome videos :)
I just started FF14 and its my First MMO I ever really put any time into, I played a little WOW but never got too into it. so this was very helpful for me, thank you very much! BUT that said, THIS comment section right here is why I love this game! You have 18yr olds and 64 yr olds relating to the same thing an having fun together! i think its such a unique and beautiful thing that these games do!
I joined a Party Finder for E9S yesterday as a fresh prog group and it went really well, actually. I came in expecting to get yelled at for dying or doing something wrong but the group was really helpful and understanding. One of them asked why I was doing something in my opener cause it looked weird to them so I double checked my job opener on the balance and realized I’ve learned it backwards so was buffing in the pre-pull. :’) I really appreciate all the help that group gave me and now I feel way less anxious about joining another party in the future to continue prog.
This video comes definitely at the right time for me. I try to introduce myself to extreme content after over two years of playing. Fortunately many ppl in my discord grp are happy to try it together and we started with mount farms in Alexander, what of course worked fine at 80 unsync. But it's a smooth start. Next we wanna do Rathalos ex and maybe soon Unreal, too. And hopefully one day I can say I'm ready to jump into AO ex or even the real ultimates. I guess until then we already have new ultimate content but slow and steady is better than nothing. Thanks for the tips, I'll gear up soon and then the journey can begin
I come from WoW and it's the first time I reach end game in FF since ARR. So, I was kinda lost. A friend helped me a lot but with your vid I have more things to try now. I'm still gearing up but I hope to be able to do savage someday. I think that the best is to try and learn. And if something is unclear, read or watch a guide so you'll know what to do at any time.
If extremes are considered baby steps I'm screwed. I spent like 3 hours wiping to SoS ex today with 2 different groups not including wipes I've had on previous days. I'd love to try a savage one day down the road but literally can't comprehend the game getting more difficult than what I saw today (even though I know it does). Does the high / satisfaction of completing a savage outweigh the frustration, wiping and lack of enjoyment (at least for me) of the game that comes along with it? This is what I'm stuck on.
This may be a newbie question, but by fully melded does that mean filling up all of the 100% chance slots on the gear? Or does it mean penta-melding everything? Still working through the MSQ but am in 5.1 now so I'm wondering what will be expected of me if I decide to try out healing in a raid.
You don't need to be penta meld just fill up 100% slot and maybe 1 overmeld slot (if you have some gil left to do so) if your party can't clear first 2 boss of raid tier(maybe 3rd one too but at that point you will likely get some tomegear and raid gear already), it likely becuase someone made some mistake rather than gear. Ofcourse, there will always be 'that guy' who blame everyone except themself ('we can't clear becuase your gear suck' - the guy who die multiple time)
I started playing this game in the last 8 months and this tier is the first raid tier ive got stuck into it. It really is a lot of trial and error but I started my e12s prog today and have enjoyed the process as a whole along the way. Its fun, its challenging, its pushing the limits of my job and how to play it and im learning ways to improve it as I go. Also the sweet gear that you get from it (or not in my case...) is really awesome for when you go back to other content unsynced or that isn't synced down. You feel hella powerful :D I was scared at first too but regret that I didn't start sooner, give it a go, read up/watch up on guides and the mechanics (particularly certain strat names), try to understand the macros so you know how to orient yourself too and get stuck in!
Thank you so much for this video. I really wanna get into savage at some point in the near future but I'm nervous just thinking about it. This video helped me tho to ease the nervousness. I'll just keep practicing and getting better (I wanna do savage ad DNC ^^)
This is my current goal, just getting caught up on MSQ and the Eden raids finally and I'm really drawn to some of those savage mounts. But I have no idea where to get started with savage raiding, this video helped a lot though, thank you so much!
@@rhael42 Well of course once I get comfortable with them I'd probably do them for the fights, but for now since I'm inexperienced I just want to dip my toes in and get out with a cool mount or something
I just wish they had dyeable version of glamours not locked up under harder content. Maybe you don't want to get the better gear... sometimes you just want to look pretty.
If you want a wider variety of EX content before jumping into Savage, look for your datacenter's synced community. Every DC has one, they generally organize via Discord, and it's a great way to find groups for synced trials that you would never be able to experience otherwise.
I was doing an Extreme Trial a while back and someone asked if I was doing my rotation correctly. They told me how to do my class but I was so confused because that was exactly what I was doing. It really bothered me and I have yet to do any big content since thinking of how internally embarrassed I was. After running other content the theory is not so much I was little to no damage due to bad DPS, but rather because I wasn't doing the ABC: Always be Castin. For me it's to balance out the dodging mechanics while keeping your uptime. Anyway, thank you for these tips. I just wanted to share. While I was mildly salty from the feedback, it did actually get me to figure out how to improve my rotation and get better gear. Hoping I can get the courage to do content with friends again. Might just do Stone, Sky, and Sea a couple of times.
Thank you for talking about Stone, Sky, Sea! In general I feel the game does a good job of having the high end difficulty levels go Extreme > Unreal > Savage > Ultimate. Extreme trials are great because they are an easier way to get used to very scripted fights where you need to pay attention to various things other than orange bad stuff to get out of (boss animations, attack names, etc.). Unreal trials may have simpler mechanics, but the item level sync really makes you need to pull your own weight a lot more. And then savage combines the two.
@@rhael42 extreme trials and unreal trials are the same difficulty *if* they are done at minimum ilevel, which they rarely are. When emerald weapon ex was released it could be done by characters with an ilevel of 510, and now many players are higher than that, which is much higher than the minimum requirement of 500. And that's talking specifically about the current high end extreme trial. The rest are, as Zepla said in the video, much easier because player ilevels are so much higher. By contrast, titan unreal is a minimum of 530, but you're synced to 535 at maximum. That's why I put unreal as more difficult than extreme. Less wiggle room if mistakes are made and people die on DPS checks before enrage
For me, a big part of it is not really wanting to pressure myself into performing "The Rotation" on any given job - I know that sounds bad, but whilst I'm sure that I know the basics of how the jobs I've leveled are meant to be played, I know that sometimes I mess up refreshing buffs on myself or DoTs on the boss, or that my opener might not be optimal but it's more comfortable for me to do. In normal content, nobody seems to really care which suits me just fine - I like the action of reacting to whatever is happening in the fight and adjusting what I'm doing as opposed to what feels like reciting very specific lines of a script that must absolutely never change no matter what. It's partly why I quite like healing & playing RDM, especially when things go to shit and I have the challenge of trying to pull it back from the brink. People shit on DRK for Walking/Living Dead being useless, but some of my favourite memories in-game are using it for those clutch kills in the most normal of content. The other bit is that I don't really want to commit to joining a static and plugging away at it over the course of weeks or months. If I can't make it some evening or I just decide that I'm not in the mood to die all night long, I'd feel awful that I'm letting everybody else down.
What you're saying about the rotation there is exactly why I'm VERY apprehensive about Savage raiding. I expressed an interest in joining a static for Savage, but let the guy know I'm completely new to raiding, and I was linked to a huge monster of a flowchart with a 12 min in-depth video just about how to maximize my DPS OPENER. As a HEALER. There's no way in hell I'm going to remember several 10+ button damage sequences that have to be perfectly timed and executed, keep everyone alive with heals and mitigations, and simultaneously memorize and react to a massive dance routine where a single misstep means certain death all at the same time, I just don't have that kind of mental capacity.
On permanent disability with nerve damage I'd like to savage and I was able to do some savage this expansion, however, usually kicked bc I couldn't get out of the grey zone no matter how well I did with mechanics or amicable discourse on discord was. Never brought out my disability bc I thought it would feel like an excuse and get a swifter kick. Struggling currently to change my setup and see if that can improve anything. Well, that and finding a static that will overlook the history of Fflogs. It feels like it's just getting too toxic for me and I do want the rewards from it. Hearing "git gud" doesn't inspire confidence or help. Thanks for some ramp-up options to see where my plateau is at.
What I've been doing is a weekly mount farm. Thank goodness for Discord and FCs, but even without them is a good start. Started with the birbs and alternated between EX and Savage in linear order. Now we're at "Oh no he's hot!" and I'm looking forward to Savage. We also have potential plans for the Morbol mount and Ultimate in the future.
How can I overcome it? No matter what class (even if it's my most comfortable) I play or what savage content I'm thinking of finishing, I still get a little anxiety strike as I enter the party, then I leave after a while even before queuing. I remember my heart was racing as I first joined A1S for the first time. and the shaking of my hands and the non-stop over thinking leads to some really bad rotations and skills utilization... to the point where nothing gets done. and I just say "That's it, the most I can do is extreme primals."
Just keep joining Prog parties. People there are just trying to learn same as you, probably have the same anxiety. You will wipe a lot but you should also get more comfortable doing the fights and being in that kind of environment
Dark Knight, iLVL 507, completely melded (not overmeld tho) and Skill Speed is 2.38. I’m finally caught up to endgame after starting the game a year ago and have never gone above Normal content. Really want the mounts from current EX Trials. Can y’all wish me the best? Thanks for the video. Great timing.
Yes!! I want to do high end but hard to find a static to keep up with progress. Here on the Faerie server at the moment. Was lucky to find people to get through titan unreal lol.. hard to find people at the same progress lvl
My biggest issue when it comes to raiding is my own personal anxiety. I'm a fairly decent player and can learn rotations and mechanics somewhat quickly. But the horror stories I've heard about people's time in PF groups is a serious turn-off. Is PF really super toxic, or is it not as bad as people make it out to be?
It is definitely over exaggerated. Most you will see is maybe some passive aggressive remarks but even those are rare. Since the tier is new, everyone is learning, everyone is making a lot of mistakes. Towards the end of the tier maybe it'll get toxic, but for now it is very chill. Watch a guide, Join a learning party and you'll be fine.
Also the data center you play on can really affect your experience. Aether has a lot more people who do savage content than say crystal. But also the amount of trolls or toxic players is also way higher
@@Restonance Yea no real toxicity since the people that would be toxic dont because they dont want to get reported, they either say nothing and Blacklist you after or make passive aggressive comments
I've only done the one extreme trial, Shiva. We died 6 times, however I didn't prepare at all and actually at the time I didn't know what most markers meant. I pretty much only knew to avoid the AOE, I know pretty much all the markers now, and I always prepare for the tougher boss fights. Still think I should do more extreme trials first though.
In WoW I remember I think it was in Panda expansion when the Trials for each the 3 Class was introduced. It was interesting. Though not a good way to gauge things currently. I think a way of something similar but way better can be a foundation or the Novice System built upon it as more expanded content system where the Devs introduce scenarios with DPS DMG Checks, Healing Throughtput Checks, Tank checks. Does every new piece of content to a new patch needs to be a Raid of a new version? How about some simpler scenarios for assessing DPS, Healing output. Tank survivability and DPS both. Content like that can be made and then improved as time goes on. But if the Devs won’t add a DPS Meter, maybe make some testing content scenarios that help assess the player skill being determined to measure Irvin some ways be give a report card. Not perfect. But an assessment content tool to pass and then say, yeap your ready for this.
I'm hoping to do Savage Raids at some point. They just seem like a fun challenge. But I don't think I've quite there yet gear wise. I just finished Stormblood and did the Delta-Alphascape Normal content but don't think I'm good to try Savage yet...plus I don't have that area with that dummy to even practice so guess I'll have to wait on that. I've just always wanted to do raids, never got the chance in WoW at all.
I love the thrill of going in to fights blind and adapt as the fight goes but since its older content (got in to the game 6 months ago) people don't appreciate it 😒 "I live for the thrill of the fight!"
I really want to do Memoria Misera Extreme, but I haven't done any synced extremes before. I'm not bad at the game, I know I can do it, but I have no clue how to find a party that is fine with helping me.
Learning AST for raids since the raid wides really are crazy in this eden set. Even while learning I “get the job done” but still get knit picked by ppl for small things. I’ve never seen so many sweaties in pf. I understand being a static but pf? Pf is a nightmare right now. I’ve cleared e9s/e10s. I’m exhausted and don’t know if I want to keep going. 😭
My personal experience from raiding since launch of Heavensward is to just put yourself into the fight and just start getting your hands dirty. Of course you should first learn the role of your class and know the rotation for DPS before going into savage raid. Learning the fight when it first releases with blind prog gives you much more satisfaction when you do clear it without any guide. There's honestly no shortcut to learning in life other than you being in that situation and doing it yourself. If you are a slow learner, then you need to put in the time and effort outside of a static raid (if you have one) and try to practice more so you can lift up your own weight and not become a hinder to others. It's through hours and hours of constant trials and errors, then you figure out the sweet spot that works for you. Repetition is very important. Maybe savage raid isn't for you, and that's perfectly okay. But I do encourage people to give it a try and try to clear at the very least the first savage and then you can decide whether or not you want to continue or just stop there. Personally for me, after doing savage raid and then getting qued into normal raid or anything less than savage raid difficulty, it doesn't satisfy my hunger for mechanics. It just feels numb and boring because there's barely any challenge. The party can still clear even if most of the people are dead because there's no punishment for normal raid such as enrage or DPS check.
I’m confused about the stone sky dummies. Am i supposed to kill the Level synced version of the dummy trials or is it ok to just kill the other version that lets u keep ur skills.
I made a horrible mistake and bought a job (Dark knight) level skip!!! Do you know if i can reset my level or should i start over on a new save?? Please help 🙏
Playing White Mage i didn't have much problem with normal but then getting to hard (not savage just hard) at level 52 I died so many times. I think I will stick to normal. I only play about 10 hours of FFXIV per month. Took 6 months to finish ARR. I just want to finish the story.
I never thought of actually doing the dummies. like...idk I'm just gonna be spamming glare until assize is off cooldown and I got enough lilies to cast misery. Not worrying about mechanics at all, not worrying about everyone's health or even my own just never seemed useful
I highly suggest people to find a static group if they want to progress trough savage content. PF is just hell. Not toxic hell, since I've yet to meet salty people, but just pure progression hell if you didn't start progging on day 1. It will suck the joy out of your soul and make you want to uninstall the game. Extremes, though, are PF friendly and a really enjoyable content. I highly recommand it.
Ive completed 3/4 Eden's Verse savage raids and i just finished Umbra Savage and i can tell you that starting endgame raids might seem intimidating at first but i would research the fights before i start. This gives you a heads up on whats coming. Everyone in the party is probably also learning or whats called "progging". So it makes it easier to know that ur not the only clueless one lol. And when you boil it down, savage raids are all about memorizing telegraphed abilities and completing patterns. Really it isnt that hard (except Shiva savage, man f#@& light rampant!!)
I've been considering getting back into this games harder content but I've realized it mostly doesn't appeal to me. I could play a single player game touting difficult bosses that will halt your progress for hours on end and still get enjoyment once I've overcome the frustrating bits. Doing so in an MMO is a different beast. The whole multiplayer aspect can make the fights infinitely harder unless you can find that group to synergize with. In my experience that's felt exceedingly rare. I'm sure a lot of that is due to my loner personality but that doesn't mean I couldn't find a place if I really strived to. I just can't be asked to anymore. By no means take this as me saying the game needs an easier endgame or more solo content, keep those in for the people that enjoy them. I just wish I didn't feel like I had to wait for content to be irrelevant to go in and farm for cosmetic stuff.
Before even getting gear or trying to meld said gear, I think the very first step taken should be hitting a striking dummy. The game does very little to teach the jobs to the players, the most optimal rotation, and what a rotation even is. Most people would just be directed to Balance the moment they ask about Savage anyway, and there'll you'll encounter all the strange raid lingos. Learn your rotation, check out the BIS gear, and ask your questions on there. Get your rotation to become muscle memory on your job, then do the normal raids, ex raids, unreal etc to internalise it. There's a huge leap between normal and "high end" content in the sense that it's like going from baby steps to climbing stairs. It's natural to be overwhelmed by the complexity of the mechanics and the sudden strictness of the DPS checks, so much so it's my main criticism of FFXIV. There's no proper middle ground where newbies can experience anything harder than norm dungeons and raids, just a sudden leap with little knowledge supplied by the game. So don't be hard on yourself when you fail, just keep throwing yourself at the wall until you understand things.
I love extreme trials because I don’t feel the pressure of having another three fights to clear. That being said, I really wish I was in a static so I could feel less pressure if I get things wrong. In pf I feel like someone may leave so I stress a lot about getting the most out of the party. That being said, I cleared hades extreme by pf and it is one of my favourite fights to date. There are pros and cons to pf vs a static so do what is best for you ❤️✨
I like FF online, however. It was more of a successful move by Blizzard to create the system of Mythic + for a lot players, mainly myself. The jump from regular mythic runs to say a +5 or so isn't as rigorous as it is from a normal FF trial to a Savage. Doing progressive mythic + runs helps you work right into the perfect balance for any player that allows you to still feel challenged enough to focus and play strategically but yet not feel complete exhaustion and burned out from repetitive fails and no progression (ie Savage). I would love to play harder content in FF but im afraid it just doesn't suit my playing needs. I have confidence in myself enough to learn the mechanics an know my role but I can't rely on others to do their part and complete the trial within a reasonable amount of time. Playing a Savage trial or raid over and over and over for 3-4+ hrs just doesn't pay off mostly time wise, for me! There just isn't a huge incentive either other than Achievement or perhaps a glam or something. If Square Enix could devise a system somewhere in between Savage and normal that would be a huge seller I think but for right now I think that part of the games content is strictly for a small community of players who have a real passion for the game.
There is one player on Spriggan [Chaos], who crosses my path quite regularly with the new ES12 mount. Saw them first in Ill Mheg and now they appear in random SHB areas from time to time. Very nice looking mount, not gonna lie.
RE: ACT - Yoshi has said that they will never issue bans for using ACT because they can't tell if you're using ACT. It works by intercepting data as it's sent to/from the game. It doesn't manipulate anything. It just parses data. The "3rd party tools" rule is also generally quite difficult to enforce because it's unclear where the line should be drawn. Is an MMO mouse a 3rd party tool? Is Discord a 3rd party tool? Neither of these things are part of the game and they offer advantages over people who are not using them.
Well, my experiences have been variable, but there are people out there who will expect you to perform well because they are using high end consumables that are expensive/difficult to make to buff themselves for the fight. I think that is part of why people get frustrated quickly if they have to keep wasting food on bad pulls. There are also people who will just leave if the party wipes once, whether they go for speed kills, hate the echo or are just that elitist. It really depends on the people you get, and of course, some are really nice and understand if things don't go well, too. PF is not a horrible place, it just attracts a lot of different people and the parties are loosely categorized
If you're new to a raid and you're playing with randoms do tell them beforehand, managing expectations is important. The discord community is very friendly so if you have any questions come join us :) discord.gg/kTckyry
@@MayHugger right, but being a part of a static like she is, people don't just switch roles because they feel like it. Kinda wanted to know the decision process for the switch:)
I have this problem specificallt with healing. I don't mind tanking or dpsing, but the healer just feels like it has so much more responsibility and that scares me 👀
In a good group, you should actually be healing much less than you normally would with non-savage groups. This may sound counterintuitive, but hear me out - Savage tanks and DPS know when to use their CDs (Addle, Reprisal, Feint, etc.). You will find out that some of those big hits in normal modes will be almost nothing in Savage. If planned out right with your co healer, you will mostly be oGCD healing while DPSing. Yeah, you may need that Cure 3 or a group regen after a heavy hit, but you will typically be DPSing more. Also because all the damage is planned you can map out CDs with your co healer.
As a healer this statement is crazy to me because for me personally, tanking is where I get anxiety. I think it's because generally, tanks are perceived to be leaders of the group and I don't want to fail my group from that potentially perceived role.
@@xenobis81 Tanks have hte most braindead role. Hold boss mid, use CDs when getting slapped. Your DPS contribution is not massive, but you can skate by on bad DPS. Healers are more obvious when people die due to lack of healing, and not meeting DPS checks will be everyone looking at tanks. So again - Is the tank doing something dumb like spinning hte boss in circles or holding him in a weird spot? No? THen nobody gives a fuck what the tank is doing.
@@xenobis81 Well, that's on the players. Only static I've ever been a part of had a healer as raid lead. But all of the leader-type things can be done by anyone. The only compulsory tank responsibilities are getting smacked so others don't.
I've spent most of the time since 4.0 til now trying to find a long term static group with friends. I've always been able to perform at least the minimum to clear with some practice, my skill is not the issue if I'm not joining hardcore groups. However I have yet to find one that truly works out, as of now I've quit the game until 6.x since its clearly not happening til then, if it ever does. Raiding of this kind is an inherently toxic activity. The fact it can be great fun, and I know it can since I've had that fun for short periods of time, does not change the fact that the raiding model of endgame as used by WoW and FFXIV is inherently toxic in nature, despite the great potential for fun, the fact is the vast majority of people who play these games lack the mental maturity to not be toxic in this sort of thing. Nothing I would love more than to find that magic group and have more than one, or even ONE tier of fun with them. But that group just isnt there. Years of trying and being dissapointed have proven this, and I am not going to keep trying when I know the only result is more dissapointment.
I don't raid anymore not because it's scary, but because I'm 64 and thankful I can still play at all! heh. I raided WoW Mythic for a few years so I do get the sentiment, it's hard work, often frustrating and best done with friends. And drink. Lots and lots of drink. I remember when we cleared Garosh Mythic (Server first, woot!) most of us were just a bit under the weather, so to speak. The voice chat was something I'll always remember and cherish. "Did we kill the f*&^er"? "ermm.. I think so. is there another phase?" ""not sure" and so on and so forth until the gm chat congratulated us on server first.I don't think they do that anymore, just world firsts now. It was magic.
Nowadays though I forget mechanics and fall off things and stand in sh*t, don't move when I should and move when I shouldn't. Don't get old, kids, it sucks.
extreme trials are a good stepping stone towards savage after you beat the dummy
Heck, some extreme fights are harder than some savage fights. Zurvan gave me so much more trouble than Bahamut for example (synced of course) even though I had a bigger ilvl advantage on Zurvan
@@vbarreiro there's bound to be exceptions and difficulty is an opinion. In shadowbringers though I don't think we've had a trial as hard as savage. Warrior of light whooped me for a hot minute but generally speaking trials are a good starting point.
I wish there would be a Text UI small font option. we only have normal and big options atm. sometimes UI still looks bad and too clunky. and even with all these crazy animations.. sometimes skills don't feel impactful...also 2.5gcd? also we need new 2v2/3v3 map like Glory Arena from The Kings Avatar...and Blue mage enabled in PvP could be fun. I mean they balance ačl classes for PvP why can't they balance blue mage too? also more epic mounts that aren't that impossible to get or p2w. also PvP missions/quests and more PvP mounts would be nice. Pve and Story is already amazing in this game..they just need to work on some pvp features. or sound/pop-out notification for Frontline que would be nice...so I don't need to watch at the game for 15 minutes lmao. or mybe preview for PvP class when u make a character...event ho youtubers cover that
@@GamingDualities honestly I was thinking if there was just a separate queue/ game that was just for BLU. Wouldn't need to worry about rebalancing. just put the blu all in one spot over there
or what could be fun is a set of PVP skills, some are unlocked in overworld, but you also have chance to unlock them in PVP, provided you actually win the event.
@@GamingDualities I’m not experienced with the pvp battle system at all but in the rest of the game you use skill/spell speed stat to lower your gcd. Running endgame content with 2.5 is very outdated and unoptimized
I have few things of advice to give to people that want to learn and do end game content.
1. Don't be afraid to go in and try it out, the fights are fun just remember do not join a phase 2 party if you have not even been into a fight. The biggest OOF moment is when we have a party up for phase 2 or enrage party and we have to teach the mechanics to someone who has never been into a fight, it leads to rage and very unfriendly moments from others.
2. Utilize your Black List to weed out the people that give you a terrible experience. People can be harsh rude and mean in end game content just be prepared for that.
3. Mechanics > Heals > DPS. it's nice if you can pull big numbers but numbers do not mean anything when you are dead. Save the greed for after you learn the whole fight and are comfortable doing so.
4. Lastly, just have fun. Do not let anxiety win over what you want to do. The best thing you can do is put your foot in the door and taste the waters. ^_^
@Ernest Samuels practice
@Ernest Samuels You need a group of friends to go in with you. If you use Duty Finder to find people, you'll end up in a party of people that know the fight better than you do, and then you'll be inconveniencing people like Kevin Miller up there who doesn't want you to join a party for content using the in-game tool designed explicitly for that purpose.
@@MCWilson You completely misunderstood what they said. Parties are perfectly labeled with expectations and frustrations come when people join parties that don't meet that criteria. What they said was if you are stepping into a fight for the first time, you join a Learning/Fresh Progression party, not a Phase 2 party. A Phase 2 Party wants members who are familiar with getting to Phase 2 consistently so the group can learn past Phase 2.
This!
I joined a static and we are all new to extremes/savage content. We just got our first clear on memoria misera and although we died a lot it was a ton of fun. This is content you actually have to practice. You can't just look up one guide and then think you know the fight. I myself really wanna get into doing savage content. Normal raids are getting boring and I wanna try something different
@Ernest Samuels do them. If you die enough times you roll begin to recognize patterns that help. I actually lern patterns of a fight so I can position myself early. Watch a guide and pick out the major mechanics, if you do that, then you should be able to work around the little stuff but easily clean it up later. I really wish they would make a practice thing to help people learn. Like maybe an arena where you have to just do mechanics and doge big aoes kinda like the novice guide duty thing.
Something that helps me get over anxiety before going into a new savage fight is looking up guides for that fight on youtube. Having an idea of what to expect makes learning a new fight less overwhelming.
Just remember that its ok to make mistakes, you and everyone else in your group are going to make a lot of them.
Been thinking about this forever, but the threat of being yelled at by some 18 year old in their mom's basement scares me too much
in practice groups you'll pretty much never be yelled at, because all are learning the fight. just don't go into a kill party without having an idea about the fight mechanics or with very low dps, because in those ppl track dps and will call you out if you are severely underperforming.
Don’t be scared of the content or the kid. Remember the kid is only mouthy because he has never been punched in the face.
The secret no one really tells you is that generally they're also all X year olds being scared to be yelled by another person.
Yes you'll have the frustration rages, people who haven't learned to respect other people or their time etc, but most of the time it is a lot of people with this exact shared anxiety. The faster this feeling and empathy is shared, the more you'll be able to find real comrades who will take you to the end, and you will in turn do the same.
savaging raiding just sucks. the amount of times i did e6's, and got to the final phase and never could complete it, it was astonishing, it made me hate the game and i quit, and i still havent came back
when youre so bad at a videogame that you resort to insulting strangers
Don't ever feel discouraged about the progress you made just because others have gotten further. There's so many factors to consider
needed this one tbh
Why am I even watching this when I've only just started post-ARR content lol
LOL ME TOO!
I literally just got to heavensward lol
Saaame
same fucking boat!!! lol
Honestly I am SCARED 😂
I've been interested in the savages only to get the mounts, but my anxiety, slow learning, and limited time have kept me out. And I've seen how my friends get upset at those who aren't very good at savage and how salty they get, and I don't to it because I hate getting yelled at. Hell, my anxiety even kept me from being in call when they do it because I was afraid of saying something that would distract them. So I just wait an expansion or two and then unsync it, and even then, it's still difficult for me. I have trouble keeping up with too many mechanics at once. The hard content is the once place in FF where I don't feel I belong in.
Often times it just "looks" overwhelming. Trust me. Try to see only the parts in the fights that actually matter to you. Sometimes its more, sometimes they are surprisingly few. Look up a guide and whenver something is explained, see if it actually bothers you as a dps/tank/heal. And then only remember the ones you have to. Makes it easier.
If your friends make you feel uncomfortable raiding, don't raid with them. Find other people on pf, reddit, or Discord. Look for people who want the same thing you want and are at about the same place with similar expectations. You may want a casual group if you want something less anxiety inducing. But if you have a group that understands that everyone is learning and trying their best, and you put in the effort, then you'll do well :)
I know groups that took 3 months+ to clear all 4 floors. They are all having a good time even with the slow pace.
It is always better to raid with a group that takes months to clear but you enjoy every moment of it than with a group that can clear in a few weeks but you can't wait to get the hell out after the reclears. Just find the right group that fits your pacing.
Practice, practice, and practice, you will get it.
There´s absolutely nothing wrong with this. I´ve played FFXIV for years now (since about 2015) and I´ve never done a fresh savage or extreme. I´m not going to give myself grief and depression for a few item levels or a mount I never use anyway (looking at you Kirin and Firebird). I´ll never forget the time in Mists of Pandaria I wanted to join a raid (they locked story behind Raid) and I was escourted to a training dummy to have my DPS analysed and told I couldn´t raid. I always thought FFXIV players were different...at least here I´ve never in 5 years been told 'what are you doing here your gear is shit' never. No one has ever commented on my gear or DPS unless I asked for advice.
I tried getting back into WoW a few months ago, but I started to see how toxic they got when it came to raiding. My closest friend plays still and I love the dude, but that raid had us yelling at each other.
When you have to start yelling back at a friend for a recreational activity that is intended to be fun...you should either avoid the content or them. This is a game. It's for fun. There is no legitimate reason for someone to yell at you as if it would magically make you better.
Very timely video Zep lol, I finally found my first static and have been preparing for the last week only to pull out yesterday - I was way too nervous and less ready than I thought.
Stick with it friend. It's more intimidating in thought than it is in practice. Just need to roll with a group of supportive/ likeminded players... Which is actually the harder part.
Hey, I’d tell you to try again! Maybe ask to rejoin them if they still have a spot open? Savage is all repetition and memorizing mechanics and learning the best way for you and your group to do them. DPS doesn’t matter until you’ve hit enrage a couple of times and have the mechs down pat. Tanks and Healers get a couple extra mechanics, as well, but if you’ve been consistently playing either role for a while, it shouldn’t be an issue. 90% of it is just nerves, and video guides tend to make it look worse than it actually is. Just remember: always ask questions and speak up. It’ll make you a better raider.
Edit: Speaking as someone who just started savage raiding a week and a half ago lol, forgot to mention that
You can use stone sky sea as a dps calculator. They have websites where you can enter the fight and your kill time and it give you a decent estimate of your rdps. Ffxiv azizarar I think is the one.
For this savage tier you want at least 19k rdps, which is about a 20-30s remaining stoneskysea dummy kill time.
just starting heavensward, I had so much fun with the ARR extremes trials. It feels a bit like a coop, less intimidating, dark souls boss fight. You have to pay attention to the boss do your part of the job and most importantly learn. Knowledge is power and using the knowledge you worked to obtain getting you to success is one of the most satisfying thing ever. I can't wait to try more content like this.
Thank you for this insight I’ve been playing ff14 for a year now and I’m just looking into the more hardcore raids this put me at ease I was over thinking this for nothing love the videos keep em coming
I spent the last 3 days thinking about try savages and BAM, you drop this video! Funny thing I played as healer for years in WOW and I used to raid all the time, but dancer is my first dps ever. I know I'm good but I'm terrified to get my nerves wrecked trying to damage, walk - and breathe - at the same time. Thank you for the tips!
As a correction, the stone sky sea does take into account downtime in the battles that you are forced to take and they are usually overtuned for the damage you actually need to clear. For example, with the latest crafted outfits, you can usually not clear the savage stone sky sea for the final mission but groups can clear those missions with those same outfits.
In short, stone sky sea is an excellent tool to gauge your damage output and job understanding, hitting it for a long time to consistently defeat it or reach a very low percentage for your given battle is also a great way to commit the job operation to memory and you will definitely see an improvement in performance in the actual battles from that.
I will always be a fan of the classic white on blue FF aesthetic but those menus made my eyes bleed.
Thanks for the video, I've felt the same way with my summoner so this video was really helpful to straight myself out and do dive head deep into the savages! Thanks Zepla!
I just wanted to say I wish your mother a fast recovery.
i never really realized what stone, sky, sea exactly was until I came across this video.
hell yeah, thank you zep
0:45 I feel personally called out.. xD
Ignore this video. The best way to get into harder content is just to start PF up for ultimate with duty completed turned on and saying need a clear for a friend. If they ask you who the friend is just say me, nice to meet you. You don't need to know anything about the fight. Works 100% of time.
Literally me yesterday: "I should look into trying savage again..."
What a timely occurrence 😃
Do it. Its fun and rewarding.
Also frustrating as hell at some points. Still, most of my friends in FF14 I met during pug raiding.
Do it. Go for it. It’s overwhelming at start but it’s rewarding and perhaps the best environment to learn how to be actually good with your class. Good luck!
Ya know if zeph knew right now how much I appreciate the delicateness used i, I think she would see that it’s rekindled hope to all of us like myself who did savage and extremes but felt like returning to them equals super toxic bullying, Know at least there is a growing awareness for it and that more people are willing to be more patient with such fights than a few years ago!
It is true that any rewards a player can get from these fights without question is worth the learning process the most of most fights in the game. My biggest reward that felt a milestone was the day I unlocked ucog and uwu. I guess I feel that way because to me - they along with other ultimates serves as an outlet showcasing all the combat mechanics I have learned in the game, which to me feels like a true completion of the game, even though with mmorpgs it really doesn’t end.
Yoshi P stated in a previous live letter that he doesn't mind the third party program as long as it's not used to call out bad dps without the consent of other players, which is an instant ban if reported. Most high-end statics uses it to parse and try out new strats to see what is most efficient. But like every tools it's always a double-edge sword.
Yeah. Sometimes it’s hard not to try to help others with they low dps because you don’t know how others are going to react.
Agreed XD
"Press button and not get yeeted."
It's so much less scary when you think about it that way
Great video! I had only started playing for a few months and knowing that this high end content is what people who have been playing the game for 9 years are doing now made me think I wouldn’t handle it. I took the leap and made a PF saying new to high end content and PF in general and filled instantly with others like me. We were able to clear after a few hours. You can do it!
Press X to doubt.
This video could not have come at a better time!! I was literally just browsing party finder the other day for the first time looking to see if anyone was doing any savage raids or extreme trials.
Dont be scared.....have fun. Let party know its your 1st time. It's just a video game after all. And if anyone is mean....call me and I'll kick their ass!
I recently started high end duties and managed to learn and clear Sapphire weapon a few times. I feel however, that this is the limit of difficulty I can manage. I had to learn for 4 hours and heard that this is one of the easier fights.
4 hours is pretty good time to learn extreme content (though I have never done sapphire).
Don't sell your self short, you're probably on par with the average savage party.
Don't wanna be that guy, but you mean Emerald Weapon? I'll agree, Emerald is slightly easier, or so I felt, but people do have trouble with the sword drops. Don't worry! It's all practice.
@@shawnspringstead no, no it's really not. four hours (not including downtime, switching of groups, etc) is quite a long time to learn extreme content.
Totally agree with stepping away from savage raiding if you tried it and doesn’t enjoyed the experience. I’ve hardcore raided Sigma and Alpha and totally burnt myself out of the game. Only able to come back after I decided to not touch savage again and go full casual. Have been enjoying the game hell a lot more ever since.
Thanks so much this video helped me alot :) always been terrified of trying savage but these tips really helped.
you dropped the vide right when I decided I want to start doing high end content and bless you for that
As an older gamer (I could be most players father) the number of mechanics ALWAYS intimidate me until I looked at how far I have come with good learning parties willing to teach step-by-step. Slow prog parties learning a mech per hour will make permanent progress in the end. I do most old content in my sleep now!
I avoided savage for a long time. Then I just forced myself to do it, and I'm glad I did. Most ppl are cool, and remember even if you aren't great, there are plenty of others who aren't master's of their class either.
started e9s , empty planes giving me ptsd , remembering about how many time i accidently step on other ppl platform f me over , other than that its pretty doable
High level endgame raider here. If you are nervous about going into party finder with the fear of other people being toxic or failing to meet certain expectations whatever that might be, the biggest thing is that if you go in just be open minded and ready to learn. Even if I had the absolute worst dps/tank/healer in my party, if they are nice and willing to take advice I'd rather party with that player than the person who thinks they know what they're doing. Everyone starts somewhere and the raiders know this. Just beware of some people that would be toxic no matter what you do, these people exist in every part of life but don't let them discourage you from trying something you might really like. Find friends or something if you need the helping hand for savage and I believe that you'll be fine. That's all I will leave you with.
Hey Zepla could you talk about one of my biggest gripes I have with ffxiv? and that is that there just ain't enough space to save all the glamour that the game provides which is quite off turning from the game as each patch more and more glamour gets introduced with nowhere to put it.
@Zepla HQ I've been watching your stuff for a few weeks now, and learning a LOT about ffxiv. I'm slowly getting into the game and I'm finding all your videos very helpful.
But PLEASE for the love of GOD! Dust your monitor top, mic arm, and wash your mic filter! Seeing the dust I'm your setup makes me sneeze!
Hahaha jokes jokes. But seriously. Not jokes.
Keep up the awesome videos :)
I just started FF14 and its my First MMO I ever really put any time into, I played a little WOW but never got too into it. so this was very helpful for me, thank you very much!
BUT that said, THIS comment section right here is why I love this game! You have 18yr olds and 64 yr olds relating to the same thing an having fun together! i think its such a unique and beautiful thing that these games do!
I joined a Party Finder for E9S yesterday as a fresh prog group and it went really well, actually. I came in expecting to get yelled at for dying or doing something wrong but the group was really helpful and understanding. One of them asked why I was doing something in my opener cause it looked weird to them so I double checked my job opener on the balance and realized I’ve learned it backwards so was buffing in the pre-pull. :’)
I really appreciate all the help that group gave me and now I feel way less anxious about joining another party in the future to continue prog.
This video comes definitely at the right time for me. I try to introduce myself to extreme content after over two years of playing. Fortunately many ppl in my discord grp are happy to try it together and we started with mount farms in Alexander, what of course worked fine at 80 unsync. But it's a smooth start. Next we wanna do Rathalos ex and maybe soon Unreal, too. And hopefully one day I can say I'm ready to jump into AO ex or even the real ultimates. I guess until then we already have new ultimate content but slow and steady is better than nothing. Thanks for the tips, I'll gear up soon and then the journey can begin
I come from WoW and it's the first time I reach end game in FF since ARR. So, I was kinda lost. A friend helped me a lot but with your vid I have more things to try now. I'm still gearing up but I hope to be able to do savage someday. I think that the best is to try and learn. And if something is unclear, read or watch a guide so you'll know what to do at any time.
If extremes are considered baby steps I'm screwed. I spent like 3 hours wiping to SoS ex today with 2 different groups not including wipes I've had on previous days. I'd love to try a savage one day down the road but literally can't comprehend the game getting more difficult than what I saw today (even though I know it does). Does the high / satisfaction of completing a savage outweigh the frustration, wiping and lack of enjoyment (at least for me) of the game that comes along with it? This is what I'm stuck on.
Extremes are shorter. Savages are longer and tend to have more difficult mechanics.
This may be a newbie question, but by fully melded does that mean filling up all of the 100% chance slots on the gear? Or does it mean penta-melding everything? Still working through the MSQ but am in 5.1 now so I'm wondering what will be expected of me if I decide to try out healing in a raid.
You don't need to be penta meld just fill up 100% slot and maybe 1 overmeld slot (if you have some gil left to do so) if your party can't clear first 2 boss of raid tier(maybe 3rd one too but at that point you will likely get some tomegear and raid gear already), it likely becuase someone made some mistake rather than gear. Ofcourse, there will always be 'that guy' who blame everyone except themself ('we can't clear becuase your gear suck' - the guy who die multiple time)
I started playing this game in the last 8 months and this tier is the first raid tier ive got stuck into it. It really is a lot of trial and error but I started my e12s prog today and have enjoyed the process as a whole along the way. Its fun, its challenging, its pushing the limits of my job and how to play it and im learning ways to improve it as I go. Also the sweet gear that you get from it (or not in my case...) is really awesome for when you go back to other content unsynced or that isn't synced down. You feel hella powerful :D
I was scared at first too but regret that I didn't start sooner, give it a go, read up/watch up on guides and the mechanics (particularly certain strat names), try to understand the macros so you know how to orient yourself too and get stuck in!
Oh I been looking forward to a video like this for a while
Thank you so much for this video. I really wanna get into savage at some point in the near future but I'm nervous just thinking about it. This video helped me tho to ease the nervousness. I'll just keep practicing and getting better (I wanna do savage ad DNC ^^)
This is my current goal, just getting caught up on MSQ and the Eden raids finally and I'm really drawn to some of those savage mounts. But I have no idea where to get started with savage raiding, this video helped a lot though, thank you so much!
do savage for the fights, not the mounts or glamour.
@@rhael42 Well of course once I get comfortable with them I'd probably do them for the fights, but for now since I'm inexperienced I just want to dip my toes in and get out with a cool mount or something
I just wish they had dyeable version of glamours not locked up under harder content. Maybe you don't want to get the better gear... sometimes you just want to look pretty.
If you want a wider variety of EX content before jumping into Savage, look for your datacenter's synced community. Every DC has one, they generally organize via Discord, and it's a great way to find groups for synced trials that you would never be able to experience otherwise.
I was doing an Extreme Trial a while back and someone asked if I was doing my rotation correctly. They told me how to do my class but I was so confused because that was exactly what I was doing. It really bothered me and I have yet to do any big content since thinking of how internally embarrassed I was. After running other content the theory is not so much I was little to no damage due to bad DPS, but rather because I wasn't doing the ABC: Always be Castin. For me it's to balance out the dodging mechanics while keeping your uptime.
Anyway, thank you for these tips. I just wanted to share. While I was mildly salty from the feedback, it did actually get me to figure out how to improve my rotation and get better gear.
Hoping I can get the courage to do content with friends again. Might just do Stone, Sky, and Sea a couple of times.
Thank you for talking about Stone, Sky, Sea!
In general I feel the game does a good job of having the high end difficulty levels go Extreme > Unreal > Savage > Ultimate. Extreme trials are great because they are an easier way to get used to very scripted fights where you need to pay attention to various things other than orange bad stuff to get out of (boss animations, attack names, etc.). Unreal trials may have simpler mechanics, but the item level sync really makes you need to pull your own weight a lot more. And then savage combines the two.
extreme is the same difficulty as unreal. unreal trials are just old ex trials.
@@rhael42 extreme trials and unreal trials are the same difficulty *if* they are done at minimum ilevel, which they rarely are. When emerald weapon ex was released it could be done by characters with an ilevel of 510, and now many players are higher than that, which is much higher than the minimum requirement of 500. And that's talking specifically about the current high end extreme trial. The rest are, as Zepla said in the video, much easier because player ilevels are so much higher. By contrast, titan unreal is a minimum of 530, but you're synced to 535 at maximum. That's why I put unreal as more difficult than extreme. Less wiggle room if mistakes are made and people die on DPS checks before enrage
For me, a big part of it is not really wanting to pressure myself into performing "The Rotation" on any given job - I know that sounds bad, but whilst I'm sure that I know the basics of how the jobs I've leveled are meant to be played, I know that sometimes I mess up refreshing buffs on myself or DoTs on the boss, or that my opener might not be optimal but it's more comfortable for me to do. In normal content, nobody seems to really care which suits me just fine - I like the action of reacting to whatever is happening in the fight and adjusting what I'm doing as opposed to what feels like reciting very specific lines of a script that must absolutely never change no matter what. It's partly why I quite like healing & playing RDM, especially when things go to shit and I have the challenge of trying to pull it back from the brink. People shit on DRK for Walking/Living Dead being useless, but some of my favourite memories in-game are using it for those clutch kills in the most normal of content.
The other bit is that I don't really want to commit to joining a static and plugging away at it over the course of weeks or months. If I can't make it some evening or I just decide that I'm not in the mood to die all night long, I'd feel awful that I'm letting everybody else down.
What you're saying about the rotation there is exactly why I'm VERY apprehensive about Savage raiding. I expressed an interest in joining a static for Savage, but let the guy know I'm completely new to raiding, and I was linked to a huge monster of a flowchart with a 12 min in-depth video just about how to maximize my DPS OPENER. As a HEALER.
There's no way in hell I'm going to remember several 10+ button damage sequences that have to be perfectly timed and executed, keep everyone alive with heals and mitigations, and simultaneously memorize and react to a massive dance routine where a single misstep means certain death all at the same time, I just don't have that kind of mental capacity.
On permanent disability with nerve damage I'd like to savage and I was able to do some savage this expansion, however, usually kicked bc I couldn't get out of the grey zone no matter how well I did with mechanics or amicable discourse on discord was. Never brought out my disability bc I thought it would feel like an excuse and get a swifter kick. Struggling currently to change my setup and see if that can improve anything. Well, that and finding a static that will overlook the history of Fflogs. It feels like it's just getting too toxic for me and I do want the rewards from it. Hearing "git gud" doesn't inspire confidence or help. Thanks for some ramp-up options to see where my plateau is at.
What I've been doing is a weekly mount farm. Thank goodness for Discord and FCs, but even without them is a good start. Started with the birbs and alternated between EX and Savage in linear order. Now we're at "Oh no he's hot!" and I'm looking forward to Savage. We also have potential plans for the Morbol mount and Ultimate in the future.
No where near to being able to do savage raids but this was great info! Thank you!
How can I overcome it? No matter what class (even if it's my most comfortable) I play or what savage content I'm thinking of finishing, I still get a little anxiety strike as I enter the party, then I leave after a while even before queuing. I remember my heart was racing as I first joined A1S for the first time. and the shaking of my hands and the non-stop over thinking leads to some really bad rotations and skills utilization... to the point where nothing gets done. and I just say "That's it, the most I can do is extreme primals."
Just keep joining Prog parties. People there are just trying to learn same as you, probably have the same anxiety. You will wipe a lot but you should also get more comfortable doing the fights and being in that kind of environment
Don't worry, you'll be able to do this content when 8.0 comes out.
@@jamierose9095 I can do that in 8.0 but you can't do that in 11.5
Dark Knight, iLVL 507, completely melded (not overmeld tho) and Skill Speed is 2.38. I’m finally caught up to endgame after starting the game a year ago and have never gone above Normal content. Really want the mounts from current EX Trials. Can y’all wish me the best?
Thanks for the video. Great timing.
Good luck!
Go for it! The current ex trials are really fun and not too bad!
@@MayHugger Thank you!
@@AlmaHeartfire Good to know! Can't wait.
Your consistency is so dope.
Thats dancer maboy
Yes!! I want to do high end but hard to find a static to keep up with progress. Here on the Faerie server at the moment. Was lucky to find people to get through titan unreal lol.. hard to find people at the same progress lvl
My biggest issue when it comes to raiding is my own personal anxiety. I'm a fairly decent player and can learn rotations and mechanics somewhat quickly. But the horror stories I've heard about people's time in PF groups is a serious turn-off. Is PF really super toxic, or is it not as bad as people make it out to be?
It is definitely over exaggerated. Most you will see is maybe some passive aggressive remarks but even those are rare. Since the tier is new, everyone is learning, everyone is making a lot of mistakes. Towards the end of the tier maybe it'll get toxic, but for now it is very chill. Watch a guide, Join a learning party and you'll be fine.
Also the data center you play on can really affect your experience. Aether has a lot more people who do savage content than say crystal. But also the amount of trolls or toxic players is also way higher
@@Restonance Yea no real toxicity since the people that would be toxic dont because they dont want to get reported, they either say nothing and Blacklist you after or make passive aggressive comments
I've only done the one extreme trial, Shiva. We died 6 times, however I didn't prepare at all and actually at the time I didn't know what most markers meant. I pretty much only knew to avoid the AOE, I know pretty much all the markers now, and I always prepare for the tougher boss fights. Still think I should do more extreme trials first though.
Stone Sky Sea is what you need to benchmark yourself - if you can beat the timer you can beat the encounter, after that it's just optimizing.
In WoW I remember I think it was in Panda expansion when the Trials for each the 3 Class was introduced. It was interesting. Though not a good way to gauge things currently. I think a way of something similar but way better can be a foundation or the Novice System built upon it as more expanded content system where the Devs introduce scenarios with DPS DMG Checks, Healing Throughtput Checks, Tank checks. Does every new piece of content to a new patch needs to be a Raid of a new version? How about some simpler scenarios for assessing DPS, Healing output. Tank survivability and DPS both. Content like that can be made and then improved as time goes on. But if the Devs won’t add a DPS Meter, maybe make some testing content scenarios that help assess the player skill being determined to measure Irvin some ways be give a report card. Not perfect. But an assessment content tool to pass and then say, yeap your ready for this.
Perhaps an unpopular opinion, but Squeenix should include a damage meter, perhaps not in casual content, but in end game content.
this video is a god send for me. because im so confused with this content thing. at least for the higher tier stuff.
I'm hoping to do Savage Raids at some point. They just seem like a fun challenge. But I don't think I've quite there yet gear wise. I just finished Stormblood and did the Delta-Alphascape Normal content but don't think I'm good to try Savage yet...plus I don't have that area with that dummy to even practice so guess I'll have to wait on that.
I've just always wanted to do raids, never got the chance in WoW at all.
**sees classic blue UI**
Me: "Ahhh! My eyes! It burns!"
I love the thrill of going in to fights blind and adapt as the fight goes but since its older content (got in to the game 6 months ago) people don't appreciate it 😒 "I live for the thrill of the fight!"
I'm just waiting to get a static together before I start going hard into Ex and Savage.
No static is going to take you until you have experience..... go into pf and get practice
I really want to do Memoria Misera Extreme, but I haven't done any synced extremes before. I'm not bad at the game, I know I can do it, but I have no clue how to find a party that is fine with helping me.
Learning AST for raids since the raid wides really are crazy in this eden set. Even while learning I “get the job done” but still get knit picked by ppl for small things. I’ve never seen so many sweaties in pf. I understand being a static but pf? Pf is a nightmare right now. I’ve cleared e9s/e10s. I’m exhausted and don’t know if I want to keep going. 😭
My personal experience from raiding since launch of Heavensward is to just put yourself into the fight and just start getting your hands dirty. Of course you should first learn the role of your class and know the rotation for DPS before going into savage raid. Learning the fight when it first releases with blind prog gives you much more satisfaction when you do clear it without any guide. There's honestly no shortcut to learning in life other than you being in that situation and doing it yourself. If you are a slow learner, then you need to put in the time and effort outside of a static raid (if you have one) and try to practice more so you can lift up your own weight and not become a hinder to others. It's through hours and hours of constant trials and errors, then you figure out the sweet spot that works for you. Repetition is very important. Maybe savage raid isn't for you, and that's perfectly okay. But I do encourage people to give it a try and try to clear at the very least the first savage and then you can decide whether or not you want to continue or just stop there.
Personally for me, after doing savage raid and then getting qued into normal raid or anything less than savage raid difficulty, it doesn't satisfy my hunger for mechanics. It just feels numb and boring because there's barely any challenge. The party can still clear even if most of the people are dead because there's no punishment for normal raid such as enrage or DPS check.
I’m confused about the stone sky dummies. Am i supposed to kill the Level synced version of the dummy trials or is it ok to just kill the other version that lets u keep ur skills.
I did Herosong of Thordans fall synced after many try's with a random group ^^
I made a horrible mistake and bought a job (Dark knight) level skip!!! Do you know if i can reset my level or should i start over on a new save?? Please help 🙏
Playing White Mage i didn't have much problem with normal but then getting to hard (not savage just hard) at level 52 I died so many times. I think I will stick to normal. I only play about 10 hours of FFXIV per month. Took 6 months to finish ARR. I just want to finish the story.
I never thought of actually doing the dummies. like...idk I'm just gonna be spamming glare until assize is off cooldown and I got enough lilies to cast misery. Not worrying about mechanics at all, not worrying about everyone's health or even my own just never seemed useful
I highly suggest people to find a static group if they want to progress trough savage content. PF is just hell. Not toxic hell, since I've yet to meet salty people, but just pure progression hell if you didn't start progging on day 1. It will suck the joy out of your soul and make you want to uninstall the game.
Extremes, though, are PF friendly and a really enjoyable content. I highly recommand it.
Ive completed 3/4 Eden's Verse savage raids and i just finished Umbra Savage and i can tell you that starting endgame raids might seem intimidating at first but i would research the fights before i start. This gives you a heads up on whats coming. Everyone in the party is probably also learning or whats called "progging". So it makes it easier to know that ur not the only clueless one lol. And when you boil it down, savage raids are all about memorizing telegraphed abilities and completing patterns. Really it isnt that hard (except Shiva savage, man f#@& light rampant!!)
Act is a grey zone which you are allowed to use as long as you tell no one you are using it
Very useful video, thanks :)
"DPS meter?? Just keep track of the math 4head!"
I do savage as DPS and I'd like to try as healer but I'm too scared to fuck up, seems like it requires good coordination with tanks and other healer
I've been considering getting back into this games harder content but I've realized it mostly doesn't appeal to me. I could play a single player game touting difficult bosses that will halt your progress for hours on end and still get enjoyment once I've overcome the frustrating bits. Doing so in an MMO is a different beast. The whole multiplayer aspect can make the fights infinitely harder unless you can find that group to synergize with. In my experience that's felt exceedingly rare. I'm sure a lot of that is due to my loner personality but that doesn't mean I couldn't find a place if I really strived to. I just can't be asked to anymore. By no means take this as me saying the game needs an easier endgame or more solo content, keep those in for the people that enjoy them. I just wish I didn't feel like I had to wait for content to be irrelevant to go in and farm for cosmetic stuff.
Before even getting gear or trying to meld said gear, I think the very first step taken should be hitting a striking dummy. The game does very little to teach the jobs to the players, the most optimal rotation, and what a rotation even is. Most people would just be directed to Balance the moment they ask about Savage anyway, and there'll you'll encounter all the strange raid lingos. Learn your rotation, check out the BIS gear, and ask your questions on there. Get your rotation to become muscle memory on your job, then do the normal raids, ex raids, unreal etc to internalise it.
There's a huge leap between normal and "high end" content in the sense that it's like going from baby steps to climbing stairs. It's natural to be overwhelmed by the complexity of the mechanics and the sudden strictness of the DPS checks, so much so it's my main criticism of FFXIV. There's no proper middle ground where newbies can experience anything harder than norm dungeons and raids, just a sudden leap with little knowledge supplied by the game. So don't be hard on yourself when you fail, just keep throwing yourself at the wall until you understand things.
Topical as my gf and I are finally post Shadowbringers and I want to return to raiding (as a former endgame raider in EverQuest and Destiny).
I love extreme trials because I don’t feel the pressure of having another three fights to clear. That being said, I really wish I was in a static so I could feel less pressure if I get things wrong. In pf I feel like someone may leave so I stress a lot about getting the most out of the party. That being said, I cleared hades extreme by pf and it is one of my favourite fights to date. There are pros and cons to pf vs a static so do what is best for you ❤️✨
I like FF online, however. It was more of a successful move by Blizzard to create the system of Mythic + for a lot players, mainly myself. The jump from regular mythic runs to say a +5 or so isn't as rigorous as it is from a normal FF trial to a Savage. Doing progressive mythic + runs helps you work right into the perfect balance for any player that allows you to still feel challenged enough to focus and play strategically but yet not feel complete exhaustion and burned out from repetitive fails and no progression (ie Savage). I would love to play harder content in FF but im afraid it just doesn't suit my playing needs. I have confidence in myself enough to learn the mechanics an know my role but I can't rely on others to do their part and complete the trial within a reasonable amount of time. Playing a Savage trial or raid over and over and over for 3-4+ hrs just doesn't pay off mostly time wise, for me! There just isn't a huge incentive either other than Achievement or perhaps a glam or something. If Square Enix could devise a system somewhere in between Savage and normal that would be a huge seller I think but for right now I think that part of the games content is strictly for a small community of players who have a real passion for the game.
its over a month and I still aint seen one player on my server pop the Eden mount in any open areas :-/
i've only seen it once on exodus
@@arzaki460 i think primal in general has a very low-key savage raid scene tbh
There is one player on Spriggan [Chaos], who crosses my path quite regularly with the new ES12 mount. Saw them first in Ill Mheg and now they appear in random SHB areas from time to time. Very nice looking mount, not gonna lie.
RE: ACT - Yoshi has said that they will never issue bans for using ACT because they can't tell if you're using ACT. It works by intercepting data as it's sent to/from the game. It doesn't manipulate anything. It just parses data.
The "3rd party tools" rule is also generally quite difficult to enforce because it's unclear where the line should be drawn. Is an MMO mouse a 3rd party tool? Is Discord a 3rd party tool? Neither of these things are part of the game and they offer advantages over people who are not using them.
Your voice is soooo soothing
I never could get into anything after the main story, or normal duties/trials, because the community gets too competitive for my taste at that point.
Is this a thing in FFXIV? Could you give some examples?
Well, my experiences have been variable, but there are people out there who will expect you to perform well because they are using high end consumables that are expensive/difficult to make to buff themselves for the fight. I think that is part of why people get frustrated quickly if they have to keep wasting food on bad pulls. There are also people who will just leave if the party wipes once, whether they go for speed kills, hate the echo or are just that elitist. It really depends on the people you get, and of course, some are really nice and understand if things don't go well, too. PF is not a horrible place, it just attracts a lot of different people and the parties are loosely categorized
“Press button, and don’t get yeeted”
Can confirm.
I usually do (EX) trials never really cared for raids the glam gear does kinda lures me though
I never did savage. Always thinking i wasn't ready for such savagery. Maybe 1 day in the future id give it a go
If you're new to a raid and you're playing with randoms do tell them beforehand, managing expectations is important.
The discord community is very friendly so if you have any questions come join us :) discord.gg/kTckyry
I'm sure you mentioned this on stream or another video, but why did you switch to SMN?
I imagine cause she likes it.
@@MayHugger right, but being a part of a static like she is, people don't just switch roles because they feel like it. Kinda wanted to know the decision process for the switch:)
Someone in her static might have been more comfortable with being a dancer instead so she changed or maybe she wanted to try it out
Leaving a comment before I watch hoping for "hard content" goofs. Don't let me down.
Edit: You done did good, Zep.
I have this problem specificallt with healing. I don't mind tanking or dpsing, but the healer just feels like it has so much more responsibility and that scares me 👀
Oh yeah... :/
In a good group, you should actually be healing much less than you normally would with non-savage groups. This may sound counterintuitive, but hear me out -
Savage tanks and DPS know when to use their CDs (Addle, Reprisal, Feint, etc.). You will find out that some of those big hits in normal modes will be almost nothing in Savage.
If planned out right with your co healer, you will mostly be oGCD healing while DPSing. Yeah, you may need that Cure 3 or a group regen after a heavy hit, but you will typically be DPSing more. Also because all the damage is planned you can map out CDs with your co healer.
As a healer this statement is crazy to me because for me personally, tanking is where I get anxiety. I think it's because generally, tanks are perceived to be leaders of the group and I don't want to fail my group from that potentially perceived role.
@@xenobis81 Tanks have hte most braindead role. Hold boss mid, use CDs when getting slapped. Your DPS contribution is not massive, but you can skate by on bad DPS.
Healers are more obvious when people die due to lack of healing, and not meeting DPS checks will be everyone looking at tanks.
So again - Is the tank doing something dumb like spinning hte boss in circles or holding him in a weird spot? No? THen nobody gives a fuck what the tank is doing.
@@xenobis81 Well, that's on the players. Only static I've ever been a part of had a healer as raid lead. But all of the leader-type things can be done by anyone. The only compulsory tank responsibilities are getting smacked so others don't.
I've spent most of the time since 4.0 til now trying to find a long term static group with friends. I've always been able to perform at least the minimum to clear with some practice, my skill is not the issue if I'm not joining hardcore groups. However I have yet to find one that truly works out, as of now I've quit the game until 6.x since its clearly not happening til then, if it ever does.
Raiding of this kind is an inherently toxic activity. The fact it can be great fun, and I know it can since I've had that fun for short periods of time, does not change the fact that the raiding model of endgame as used by WoW and FFXIV is inherently toxic in nature, despite the great potential for fun, the fact is the vast majority of people who play these games lack the mental maturity to not be toxic in this sort of thing.
Nothing I would love more than to find that magic group and have more than one, or even ONE tier of fun with them. But that group just isnt there. Years of trying and being dissapointed have proven this, and I am not going to keep trying when I know the only result is more dissapointment.
Ex trials are the best way to step up to the difficult raid scene