Net Neutrality as Fast As Possible
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 พ.ค. 2024
- Net neutrality is a pretty hot button topic right now - but what is it?
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So, to sum this up
Comcast f*cking sucks.
Yeah but we already knew that xd
i would probably get fios if i had that available but 6.5Megabytes down is not too shabby for cable.
Brick Tamland Really? I think it sucks balls. That might be because I'm used to 170 mb download though :P
No one gets fked by crappy internet speeds like Aussies like me do
You forgot the last part:
But its the best ISP in the US so whatever.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if something like Netflix is using a lot of bandwidth doesn't it mean that a lot of their customers are using their bandwidth watching Netflix, and this bandwidth that is used is already paid by the customers?
Yes the fucking costumers are paying.
Yes, but ISP always want more money.
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That's what i thought.
yeah paid on both end
Honestly this is Comcast we're talking about here. These are the same people who charge you $200+ for 40 channels, 20 of which are shopping channels. These are the guys that charge me more money every year for slower internet. I don't care what this argument is. I'm always on the side against Comcast.
+AXP Bonecrusher Change ISP then...
+DJPigeon Good luck finding one that is worth it.
Nightmare Infinity here in the UK we have many decent ISPs. I use BT and they're very good. BT is UK only though. Do Virgin or TalkTalk do internet connections in wherever you are? They're decent
+DJPigeon here in the US. at least where I live, you have Comcast and one other major ISP. all other ISPs are horrably slow and not worth it. the major ISPs then are able to charge you a million dollars a day for speeds they promise but never deliver and you get less than maybe 60-70% of your garenteed amount.
+AXP Bonecrusher Do you pay for it? If so, you're part of the problem.
An ISP's customers are already paying for the bandwidth they're using. If their networks can't handle the traffic, then they oversold their bandwidth and need to upgrade their infrastructure. There is zero reason a company like Netflix should have to pay to keep their traffic from being throttled.
EDIT: I take it back. I can see one instance in which I would be okay with Netflix paying Comcast: Netflix agrees to pay them an amount to ensure all users get an acceptable baseline experience, no matter what that user's plan is (i.e. everyone on Comcast's network is guaranteed a *minimum* speed high enough to stream 1080p without interruption, even when that user's plan usually limits his connection to less than that). I would have no problem with that.
Leave that,
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Tom Wheeler is too much of a liability to keep him as FCC chairman... He was a lobbyist for the big isp's!!! What was the Pres thinking when he was put in that position?
Kickbacks. Lots of kickbacks.
i thought we're all obliged to call him a dingo from a certain point in time
DakuHonoo nice john oliver reference
Kunal Sanwalka well Wheeler himself acknowledged this so why shouldn't we?
is* He is a lobbyist.
This was a great video. I'd love to see an updated version...especially after today!
You're already over charged for pathetic amounts of bandwidth and low data caps, but they need more money.
Sounds like the internet needs to go from being a series of tubes to being a big truck. hehe
with a bomb in it.
Great video people need to be informed about this! I am glad that you made a short video that sums it up!
For me, techquickies are the most interesting content on your channel. I wish that you do more of them.
Watched this 2 years ago and came back today
It's been two years, you should go back to rewatch it again now
@@sorlakvader155its been 3 years you should come back and watch it
@@julioramos8085 lol yeah I think I will
A genuine thank you for this video Linus.
A few important points about Net Neutrality:
-What if a network finally wanted to create a system in which small transference like game play and text was given hi-priority for low latency and big downloads where given lower priority because they don't need to be fast?
You could have two different internet bandwidths, one expensive that was high priority and that your computer would send adressed as important: like that business Skype conference, instant messaging or games. While another much cheaper bandwidth would allow you to use a all the remain capacity on the cable that is not begin used.
So let's say you want to download something at a moment the net is a full steam, you get lower speeds but no one gets capped, and if you are using when nobody else is you get the full bandwidth of the cables where the information is passing.
not a problem in the UK, i have the baseline fiber package but that supplies 40mbps for £20 including line rental from sky broadband
For a fast as possible video you should do one on all the different ways to backup your computer e.g space needed, and what it is going to back up and are you going to need to reinstall anything. If you could do a video on this I think it would help a lot of people because a couple of days ago my computer stopped working because of a hard drive probably and after I installed Windows i found out that in fact there what a backup that would have saved my beacon. I thing if you where to do a video on this it would save a lot of people if they ever have the same thing happen to them. Thanks guys for creating all the good content that you do, keep up the good work.
Very impressed you remained unbiased
about frequent,
thank god a video without them mention Phantom Glass or HyperX.
Wait till 2020
Glad you picked up this topic!
And we're back to it again...
This is one of the best explanation I have heard.
Govt regulation never helps, never lowers prices for the consumer. Always oppose regulation. Free market will come to the best solution.
Yea, keep believing that. Meanwhile, through regulation, Europe has the most free internet in the world, and some of the fastest. My internet is 280/100 and is free, thanks to the Danish Research Network. Noting is blocked, completely open network, no max data. Heck, Up-To speeds are illegal, so you get MORE than what you pay for. Free market only works in theory: when companies have the consumer in mind, and i can count US companies with consumers in mind on one hand
Christoffer Nørskov
Correction: Free market only works when there is competition. Companies will always care more about their bottom line, but when there is major competition, the one the pleases the customers most wins. Comcast/Time Warner/Charter/etc. in the United States have areas segregated so that they have monopolies over their own areas, and *that* is the problem. They can get away with the money grubbing shit they do and, so long as we don't see other ISP's pop up, we won't. The rabbit hole runs deeper when you consider that, because ISP's aren't regulated under Title 2, they don't have to share their infrastructure with anybody, making the barrier for entry that much higher. Luckily, there are some large startups for fiber internet in the United States that look extremely promising, from Google Fiber to LightSpeed in Michigan, but who knows how far they'll go if they can't use the telephone lines because AT&T tells them no and the local governments do nothing to stop it.
DystopianFr34k Indeed. The other thing to consider, which was discussed in a WAN show a couple of weeks ago, is that companies like Comcast and Time Warner also want people to use their cable services and not stream things like Netflix, Hulu, etc, not just promote their internet, which is the incorrect method. Those companies should instead stream the channels from their cable services that people are interested in, and instead of their cable, which is dying, massively boost their internet speeds. But, they won't do that because they're stupid. It's for those reasons the cable companies hate things like Google Fiber and other super high speed ISPs that don't care about their obsolete cable services because they have none. And, much as I dislike the government, it would probably be for the best if internet access was considered a title 2 utility, since that would give companies like Google Fiber a massive boost being able to access the pre-existing infrastructure. And from there, the cable companies will die out entirely, because in all honesty, who watches cable anymore? Seriously?
I don't think you even understand that the "free market" can't come up with a solution, right now its so hard to start up a new ISP that its almost impossible... and even if you do it will cost you A LOT of money and probably won't even be making a profit off it for at least 3-5 years, there is no such thing as competition in the US other than a few and very small towns along with Google Fiber, the only solution is Title II as it will allow anyone to come in and use the existing cables and thus start up real competition the government doesn't have to even get involved or anything either, just access to the cables would be more than enough.
Oh sure, let the companies tell themselves what they should and shouldn't do. If not for gov regulations the ISPs would buy themselves until there is only one ISP left and there is no one left to compete with, and no reason to upgrade infrastructure, raise speeds, lower prices etc. That is already basically what is going on with USA. Free market my ass. (not to talk about oil companies, banks and other companies that may do huge damage to the society if are not checked by the gov)
Can I just say that I'm so relieved about the lack of certain sponsor plugs in this video...
Thank you!
I am not only in favour of net neutrality (since it makes control over what we access or see much harder) but also the internet as a right! Freedom to access information should be a given. That should start an interesting argument ^^
That 'wink' when Linus says 'Tube' at 0:25 :D
I have a few ideas:
Wireless comms (Bluetooth VS 2/3g VS LTE VS WiFi etc)
Wired comms (Parallel VS Serial VS USB etc)
CODECS
Protocols (Torrent VS FTP VS HTTP etc)
Also the reason why Comcast was asking for money from NetFlix was because Comcast has to pay peer fees to the rest of the internet's backbone (which they peer to several other backbones) Since Netflix exists outside of comcast's network, data usage fees were HUGE because netflix users used a lot of that bandwidth that comcast has to pay for.
I believe the deal they struck was NOT just a payoff for Comcast, but they set up a Netflix streaming server inside Comcast's network so alleviate this burden so peering fees wouldn't be so hit hard, as well as improve quality for netflix.
I'd love to know about ECC and the types of ECC RAM. Not sure if it's already been done, do correct me if I'm mistaken.
What hardware/software do you need to run/edit 4k videos and to use 4k monitor? Because I noticed that my phone can record and playback it but my brothers laptop doesn't even see the file. Plus I've read that even though 4kb gets more and more popular it isn't as easy to make 4k monitor work as it is with full HD one.
COOl! You guys did a net neutrality video. That I suggested in discussion comments. Thank you!
I'm actually writing an Op-ed article on net neutrality so thanks Linus!
I find it funny that I downloaded a full game in 3 minutes and I've been watching TH-cam for 3 hours. But when I clicked this video it was buffering hard.
Streaming at 360p without buffering is considered a luxury in our country. lol
Love the series
Normally I'm a free market person, but the free market only works when there's competition, with isps, there isn't, so the government should regulate them.
As a topic could you guys do something a long the lines of how to compare graphics cards (other then how they perform on software) and how to tell if what you are buying would meet your requirements (in terms of specs).
I'm from Italy so excuse my poor english, but I want to know more about this net neutrality,
ISPs, can they charge a little, tiny fee on services on the costumers, or on the service provider ?
Finalmente un italiano su linus tech tips
MrMark201200 Appassionati di tecnologia riuniti intorno al mondo !
Thanks!
Good overview.
That ad read made my day!
when you have an assignment due at midnight and it's on whatever current event you want
except this is from 2 years ago...
ISP's like Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, etc have their own video content including their own On Demand services and yeah sure those services should be prioritized over competing services. Never mind someone having a bottleneck caused by someone abusing their Internet usage; Internet Hogs.
I have Netflix and Amazon Prime and personally I'm fine with paying a little more for QoS. The indisputable fact remains streaming HD or worst 4K video uses a lions' share of bandwidth. Datacenters pay a lot for bandwidth proportional to their use and the same goes for ISP's.
This shouldn't even be an argument
Greeeedy Comcast
i doubt i will get an answer to this but hey, ive been using my dell xps l702x this thing has always got hot, i got in contact with dell they said its normall, noww this thing is out of warranty ect, i want to get a great new desktop but sadly i cant afford it at the moment, is there anyway i could upgrade my gpu? ive seen alot saying its soldered on ect, but i can solder? the graphis card is nvidia gt555m please help! :D
Only got a Like because of the AWESOME transition....
Linus, I know as you said this video was not to cover all of the ins and outs of Net Neutrality, but...the biggest argument for Net Neutrality is the fact that we already pay for the allotted data to our cable companies. Me for example, in my area we have a 300GB cap monthly. that is what I pay for, it should matter what I use it for as long as it is legal I guess. I pay them for 300GB and I should get 300GB...nothing more or nothing less...
Example: That is like Going to McDonald's and ordering a Big Mac Meal and sitting down to eat it then an employee coming over and saying, you know you ate some of your fries fast and I didn't like the way you were eating them so I am going to take them and give you a few every minute until they are done. If you want to eat them all right now, you can pay me for that.
What are its implications to internet users outside the united states? Or to servers located outside USA but receives heavy traffic from US visitors?
I pay for both a transfer speed and a data limit, I should be able to use it however I want. I suspect that people that subscribe to services like Netflix, end up beefing up their internet plan to be able to use it fully. I would also expect Netflix to pay for the connection to and from their server, like a consumer would. ISPs have simply sold too much bandwith and refuse to upgrade their infrastructure to match with demand.
Netflix does pay for delivery to the ISP via a process called peering (in-house file sharing or by local data centers). But ISPs have monopoly power over the "last-mile" to consumers, so they refused Netflix's no-cost data delivery options until Netflix paid them a fee (basically a fee for the right to access to consumers). And then Netflix upped its price. ISPs have found a way to profit by exerting their monopoly power, and almost no one has called them on their BS.
sullyFL Also Netflix has offered to install servers to locally host popular shows in ISP buildings for free to better deliver content but they were denied by the ISPs
Companies like Netflix already pay for every MByre they're transmitting, because the ISPs doesn't give them the connection for free and everyone who has rented a server knows what I'm talking about. But actual traffic costs are very low, so if the ISP doesn't earn enough they just should raise the prices for their connection. Don't know why some people believe only private users have to pay for their internet connection...
Linus... that was my favorite segway ever.
Would Net Neutrality restrict ISPs from enforcing noncompetitive data caps? Data usage is about to go up several fold due to 4k streaming, not to mention tons more people cutting the cord and turning to online for their entertainment. If Net Neutrality doesn't protect us from this looming terror, I'm going to be incredibly sad. Comcast is making it best effort to remove talks of data caps from the whole net neutrality debate, but if you ask me Data Caps will kill start ups, competition of big telecoms local cable services, and destroy the internet for those without the means to pay excessive data cap overage fees. People should be preparing for this battle next, or at least keeping it in their rear view mirror. Thanks for this informative video!
And we’re back in full circle now lol. Net neutrality is now back
the fact is if they have to expand the highway, that money has to come from those who pay for their services, i.e you and me and everyone currently paying for internet services, second if they are forced to provide the same services to everyone then they will have to charge every one the same price. meaning those currently paying a premium price will no longer pay a premium price given that doing so will not provide them with better service, and to make up for the loss of all those paying a premium price everyone will be forced to pay a higher price for their services. example say you have 10 paying for internet service. 5 pay $50/month 3 pay $100/month and 2 pay $200/month so 950 total between the 10 people so for every one to receive and equal amount of service everyone would have to pay $95 per month while the top 2 would receive less band with. now to increase the number of lanes you would have to raise that now $95/month per person even higher to cover the cost of the new lanes...
Techquickie When has Comcast throttled Netflix? I never had issues streaming anything..
my mind was blown away
can you do an episode on active adapters vs passive adapters?
Their is not a lot of information on the subject it would seem and it is very confusing trying to figure out the best way of converting hdmi to display port without losing signal strength and how much you actually lose. Would love it if i could find an active adapter that supports 144hz and higher resolutions!
Just noticed Fast As Possilbe the first letters are bold. So Linus wants us to be "Hey remember net FAP that video was interesting" Use FAP for abbreviation.
Omg if only I was taking my english classes now, I would have something fun to write for my essays
Suggestion for another video: Bitcoin: How does it work?
It's simple - I pay Charter $40 per month for 50MBps of bandwidth. It's done, it's paid for, that bandwidth is mine. Since I paid for it, it doesn't matter if I use it to watch a show, or do nothing with it. I paid for the bandwidth to be there when & if I need it. End of story.
the internet is a series of tubes lol
This is a very interesting subject, but I don't full understand the scope regarding this problem, does the net neutrality issue affect everyone globally or is it just a north american thing ?
it will start with the us, but them possibly spread around to other countries
no, but its likely in australia :(
Not in the EU it won't. We've had legislation passed very recently.
gigaom.com/2014/04/03/european-parliament-passes-strong-net-neutrality-law-along-with-major-roaming-reforms/
Ellis Horne
A large part of the global internet go through the US, if it hits any ISP here pulling these shinanings, then yes, it possibly can have global repercussions.
can you explain title 2 utility?
We’re back baby
Comcast charged Netflix for taking up too much bandwidth? So, if the users used just as much bandwidth, but dispersed upon many different sites, they wouldn't have cared?
i'm loving your aFAP series, linus
Can you do a video on NFC because when I tried to explain it to someone it makes no sense to them
TekSyndicate probably has the best and most in-depth explanation of this topic.
I would like to use portions of your video in my class, but since it is a for profit class, I need your permission to use it.
May I use it?
so in the words of A.J from Fairly odd parents
"The Internet is for everyone and no one man can own it. I'd know, I've tried!" - A.J.
2015 Linus is in for a wild ride in 2017
The only concern I have about Net Neutrality. IF it goes through (And i think it should) What;s to stop ISP's from jerking up their prices to "compensate" (n their heads) for the way the traffic is working (Like it is NOW, but they can say anything they like).
Thats what Title II is for. As of now, its actually illegal in many states to make a public ISP. Title II would actually make it possibly for everyone and there mother to make their own ISP with little to no infrastructure cost.
Matthew Jackson
It's good in theory. But not being a lawyer. or aware of all the laws involved even with Title II, we can only HOPE there isn't some hidden lingering set of laws that would allow the big money holders to choke smaller ISP's.
AT&T is still a mega super giant, and when you consider most landlines.. you almost always hear AT&T, not some smaller carrier. Telephone Lines are Title II.
I supposed ISPs could increase their costs, but the fact is that they are already immensely profitable and powerful. They don't need to end net neutrality. They have a profit incentive to end net neutrality, to direct traffic via back-end fees. If that happens, sites that can't afford to pay will eventually disappear, along with all of the great web-based innovation. That's a far great risk than possible price increases from ISPs. If they went to high, they would risk forced leasing (as is common in other countries), which would create actual ISP competition.
MJ is completely wrong about Title II. In 1996, telecom companies manages to convince Congress and Clinton to pass a law that deregulated ownership rules; the Act also classified ISPs as "information services" instead of "telecom services." Fast forward to 2014: the FCC wants to enforce net neutrality to prevent ISPs from blocking sites or prioritizing some sites over others (picking winners and losers); FCC passed Open Internet Order in 2010. Verizon sued, claimed that ISPs have "editorial discretion" over all internet content. That issue was not decided (yet), but Verizon won on a technicality--that the Open Internet Order rules require common carriage and "information services" are not common carriers. However, the FCC can simply reclassify ISPs back to "telecom services" under Title II so that it can enforce the rules it enacted in 2010. Taxes and other parts of Title II would be excluded through a process called forbearance. Hope that helps.
I don't think this should have been a "as fast as possible" as many commenters still don't even understand what was talked about. This should have been a regular video going over points and making things clear. But hey, there's other channels for that...
i knew this day would come...
You are Jie He not incorrect. It already has been paid. Good observation or question. To all internet users; If you want to know about,let's say, Time Warner Cable, (You can do this with every corporation) at the bottom of their websites there is a link that usually says "investors info". When you click on it you will have access to a ton of info. about the Co. Why? SEC regulations mandate corporations to file their financial statements. It's very technical stuff such the language that is used. We're talking accounting lingo and SEC. After Enron, things change a bit to make corporations more transparent. If you want to know whether TWC is getting pay for priority access, look at the balance sheet and read the board's meetings. They a public and there's always a independent CPA from an accounting firm at those meetings and sometimes lawyers. It's all public because the company is a corporation which is public. Again, trying to prevent another Enron congress passed a law nicknamed "SOX-404".
I don't get the part about video sites using more bandwidth. If I am paying for X mb/s, than I should be able to use all of that bandwidth if I want to. If my ISP isn't able to supply me with it, then they shouldn't say that they can (and I shouldn't be paying as much for it).
"A series of tubes"
*old memes and senator face*
because by god it's not a big truck
also, comcast is shit
So anything that makes a profit and uses bandwidth should be charged differently? Basically everything?
If all data if given equal priority how will that effect things that need higher QoS like VoIP.
One reason why the won't, the customers won't let them. "Won't email providers not let people send emails to other providers?"
You might want to mention the monopoly ISPs have and how they already charge far more than they really should.
When IPS would charge content providers, like twitch. To get more bandwidth. They could just ban all there content to customers from that ISP so they loose all there customers. I see this is turning arround and I like how Germany, one of the most developed countries is planning on building a 25mbit/s network with out money that is finished in late 2019. And don't allow Google to build fibre.
Over here in the UK they are trying to regulate it from the advertising end down to end user. A trading standards will defo help, and hopefully it will make the actual ISP's bandwidth more transparent to the average Joe. For too long the ISP's have been hiding behind the 'Max Mb's a second' figures...... and 99.9% of the time, it's no where near.
The whole point in an ISP is that they provide access to the internet at the rated speeds that you have paid for, if this doesnt stop it will spin out of control and small services will be charged also because they are greedy corporations, do we really want to end up choosing our ISP based on the ISP's unthrottled website packages.
Instant thumbs up for Neopets :)
can you explain intel 6th gen core that is coming out.
0:25 Well atleast it's not a big truck, nor something that you just dump something on.
How to determine whether someone is Canadian as Fast As Possible: have them say "vague", "about" and "sorry".
Alternatively: ask them. This is risky, as the wily Canadian is quite wily.
Time Warner recently started throttling my connection to twitch. I get a loading wheel every 30 seconds or so unless I use a vpn, then it works fine. It's annoying since I'm paying for 50 down and because they slow it down so much I can't even watch a stream at low quality without constant buffering
With time warner what seemed to help me is clone your mac address in your router to the mac address of your PC. Before I did that, youtube would buffer all the time. After I did that, it works just fine now.
Comcast used that fee to upgrade bandwidth limits and as a result customers had faster speeds for streaming than before. Bandwidth is limited Comcast was seeing peaks at their bandwidth limit. If you are on the Internet when bandwidth is maxed you may as well use a 56k modem. They needed to upgrade their systems to meet the demand caused by netflix's success.
capsonsc but netflix success = more money coming into comcast = more money for infrastructure
Isn't it that you already have to pay isps for high upstream. so is for example if Netflix wants all of their customers to be able to enjoy 4k video, they must pay for the upstream bandwidth of their servers just the same as their consumers must pay for the downstream necessary for 4k streaming.
Please do a video on Balance broadband router
Maybe a tech quickie on fps vs frame timing?
make a video on repairing the windows 8.1 black screen please!!
Can you give us a rundown of what system BIOS actually is?
Hope your cat feels better Linus. Hope he makes it out ok.
Decent video, but you're not quite right regarding Netflix and Comcast. Netflix offers data delivery to the ISPs via local data centers or Open Connect boxes (in-house Netflix content server). Either option eliminates 100% of any potential interconnection fees or bandwidth congestion. However, because ISPs have monopoly power over access to consumers, they refused these peering options from Netflix until Netflix paid them, thus profiting from their artificially imposed network shortage (think Enron, only legal).
There is no legitimate argument against Title II net neutrality unless you want to completely transmogrify the internet into a clickable version of cable television.
net neutrality: i entered a 1.5mbps broadband plan and gives me 150-200kbps download speed and 30kbps upload speed.. amazing
Watching this again in 2022 and damn does this video hit home… I pay $50/mo extra because of ISP data caps…. What a disappointing turn of events.
Internet speeds have increased, and so have data caps. They existed before net neutrality, and even after the fact. You're most likely paying for inflation and higher speeds as well. Net neutrality didn't really change much for the average internet user. For power users like yourself, well you're using more bandwith. Use less bandwith next time.
can you explain what are internet cookies +Techquickie
could but all that is left is a few crumbs on my bed.