** UPDATE!!! I JUST MOUNTED 32.1" 255/70R18 FALKEN WILDPEAK AT3Ws. Check out my instagram post here: instagram.com/p/CBTpZ6NpOaz/? I'm 99.9% sure you can run 255/65R18 31.1" without modification. but... there's not many tire options. You can get the WILDPEAK TRAIL (which is a dumbed down version of the AT3W) If you're one of the lucky bastards that went with a 17 inch wheel, you can go with 255/70R17 31.1" there's many many many options out there! including the BFG KO2
I have a 2019 Honda Passport Elite and am looking to get some new wheels and A/T tires so I don't have a bad time on forest service roads. I'm not looking to modify/cut or lift at all, and am not looking to do anything too crazy, but will have an off-road teardrop trailer that I want to tow back to some awesome campsites. My main concern is rubbing, as I'm sure all of ours is. My question for you is if I go with a 17 inch wheel like the KMC Bully KM708 (17x8, 38mm offset) and an A/T tire like the BFG KO2, would you recommend a 255/70R17 (31.1" x 10.0"), a 265/65R17 (30.6" x 10.4"), a 245/70R17 (30.5" x 9.6"), or a 255/65R17 (30.1" x 10.0")? I'm trying to avoid rubbing, but would like to maximize what I can do since I don't have a desire to do other modifications like cutting or a lift. I will almost certainly add a skid plate though! :) Thanks for the great videos and information!
Stefano Prezioso the with a 30.5” tire, the rubbing is only beyond 90% lock and is very minimal. It sounds like you don’t want to deal with that at all. If so, avoid the 265/65R17 and just go for either 265/60R17, 255/65R17.
I just wanted to follow up. I just installed the "LT255/65R-17 BFGOODRICH ALL-TERRAIN T/A KO2 D" tires on KMC KM708 17x8 wheels on my 2019 Honda Passport Elite and have no rubbing. At its closest point during full lock, there's maybe 3/16" of clearance at the tire's closest spot. Thanks for your suggestion and helpful content!
This is the exact tire set up I'm looking at purchasing: Michelin ltx 255/55r20. I really want that extra bit of sidewall over the 50 series tire. Glad to hear they work!
Kevin Lu thanks 🙏!!! I wish I had this info when I first bought my passport. I initially purchased 255/60R18 tires thinking that was the largest I could run according to the forums. That was only a 30.0” tire. Now that I have all this first hand experience I just want to share what I know. I really hope other people can avoid the mistake I made. I bought the tires for $600 and sold them off for $350, that was a $250 loss 😭
Finally got the 3.5 lift kit on my 2020 Honda Pilot. Was able to fit a 32.4 inch tire. Had to cut the bumper a small bit. About an inch or 2 at the bottom. Slight rub on a full turn. Going to post a video about it soon. Your videos helped out a ton.
2016 Honda Pilot here with 265/60/18 Nitto Ridge Grapplers (30.5" tall and 10.7" wide) and I agree, they fit stock. Actually lifting 2" made it now rub just a hair on that portion you cut. It is so minimal that for now I do not plan on doing any cutting. It happens at near full lock so unless I am doing a U-Turn I never get there. Keep up the great work!
REMIS Computer Solutions oh! Interesting! So... I think I know what you can do to stop all the rubbing. Under the wheel liner there will be two bolts. Try unbolting them. They aren’t really there for structural support, since the other 3 corners are welded. Those bolts are just there to connect the beams so the Factory can compete the welds. They’re basically useless now. Take a heat gun and reform it. Might do the trick!
One of the biggest reasons people need to get rid of those 20’s is adding rubber between the rim and ground. A bigger tire is better on a smaller rim because when you air down you have alot less risk blowing your tire bead. Also a bigger tire on a smaller rim creates a longer foot print when air’d down which is what actually matters for better traction. Wider tires have nothing to do with better traction, they just look meatier. Bigger tire on a smaller rim will also improve your ride quality on trails.
jamesngotts I had two pinch flats when I had my Subaru Forester and that was with 5.8 inches of sidewalk. The oem setup in the passport is only 4.7 inches of side wall 😱. That’s scary!!!! I’d be terrified of airing down and losing even more sidewall clearance. Both Wheels and tires would get absolutely WRECKED on a moderately rocky trail.
JonDZ Adventuring you should be around 6.8 inches of side wall now which is alot better. It’s awesome to see the aftermarket for your rig is growing. Are there lift kits which drop your diffs lower?
jamesngotts Companies like Traxda, Jsport and Truxx offer all the basic aftermarket support but there isn’t any “big name” support. Hopefully in time we will start seeing coilover suspension upgrades, better rock sliders, etc. Traxda offers a 3.5 inch lift kit. They use 2 inch strut spacers and 1.5 inch subframe spacers. The way these Honda’s are setup, it’ll take good advantage of this lift. The lowest point is the gas tank and muffler. The drive shaft and rear diff sit up high. With the addition of the 1.5 inch subframe spacers, everything but the drive shaft and rear diff go up, but since my rear diff sits at 12 inches, I’m okay with that. The only thing I’m worried about is how the subframe spacers will affect onroad handling.
JonDZ Adventuring yeah the higher you lift the adverse the effect to on road handling, especially with independent suspension setups. It will probably still be very manageable though. Is there any drive line updates or winch/bumper mounting options out there yet?
jamesngotts I looked, and unfortunately, I don’t see any options or anyone that has a winch on their newer model Honda’s. Maybe I’ll just have to get something custom?
Hell Jon, I just swapped over my Passport wheels and tires for some 18" Black Rhino "Arches" paired with the Continental TerrainContact A/T tires: They are only 1" taller than the stock set-up and they look like there is plenty of room. I have no plans to do a Lift Kit, If you want to see them I posted them in a thread on the Passportforums site in the "Wheels & Tires" forum.. I'm ready for the Sierras now...! Cheers
stevendphoto hell! 🤣 Congratulations! 🍾 I looked up those wheels and I really like the look. The edgy design compliments the passport well. I really like the style of black rhinos!
Great video! Ive got a 2019 Passport that has a 1.5" lift. I run two wheel sets, the winters are Blizzaks 265/50R20 (stock rims) and I just mounted the set I'll use the rest of the year which is 265/60R18 Continental Terrain Contact HT (not the AT, I just don't off road all that much and the HT will do vast majority of what I do off road). I average about 23mpg across all driving, highest is about 27-28. Edit: forgot to mention that wheel offset (mostly on aftermarket rims) can also play a part in wheel well clearance for tires
Matthew Muscarella thanks for the info! 🙏 Wow! That’s pretty amazing that you can get 28-29 mpg. Not bad for a vehicle rated at 24 mpg right? I’m very pleased I can get 23-24mpg cruising at 70mph. I drove from Las Vegas to Los Angeles this morning doing 80-85mph and got 19.5 mpg loaded with camping equipment with a rear hitch basket attached. It is a little bit downhill
@@JonDZ_Adventuring oh that 28mpg was only once haha crushing at 55 at night with a tailwind. Normal highway driving where I live is closer to 25-26. Rides much better though with the thicker sidewall tires and I pump them up to 42psi
stevendphoto I drove 320 miles round trip from Sedona, AZ to lake Powell and back with my Wife and Brother loaded up with gear and my rear hitch carrier holding my inflatable kayaks. This is with my current modifications (cut bumper, lift kit roof and cargo carrier. I got 23.5 mpg average at 70mph. It wasn’t very windy that day, so neither head or tail wind. Here’s my Instagram post about it. instagram.com/p/B-2s3EiJfeN/?igshid=1w75zxnmfbche Now with that said... I’ll drive up to mammoth by myself with minimal gear. As you know, it gets very very windy!!! Sometimes the wind comes from the side. I’ll get 18-19.5 mpg on the way up! Once I was able to get 28 mpg on the way home (downhill + tail wind).
Thanks Jon! I have the Ridgeline, so glad it does not have the 20" wheels. I really like the Passport except for the hard riding 20" wheels. I enjoy watching what you and your group does with SUV's! Jon, have you done anything to recalibrate the speedometer to be accurate after larger tires?
Ron Dail interesting fact, much of the Ridgeline suspension parts are built tougher. Honda pro Jason has a video about it, and I want to say about 70% of the parts are more robust. Just going off of memory. Yes, it’s unfortunate the Passport only comes in 20 inch wheels. These are not what you want to have once you leave pavement and since the passport is marketed as an outdoorsy vehicle, I’d really like to see future models with a lower profile rim option. The good news is that people will spend money to buy 20’s. I had a friend that sold his set for $500 which went towards his set of 18 inch designer wheels. As far as the odometer/ speedometer. I just have to do the math in my head. It’s a 6.8% difference. I may go with 265/70R18 tires in the future, which would be a 10% difference, so I haven’t seeked to have things corrected yet.
I just picked up a Black 2024 Passport Trailsport, I just started watching your channel, it's a great channel, watching you from north of Toronto Canada 🇨🇦
It's fun to see people wheeling newer rigs. I have beat on my wife's 2017 Highlander a bit and even with street tires it does decently well. It drags its soft underbelly quite a bit though. I picked up a cheap 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee and it is incredibly capable even completely stock.
Great video, thank you. I have a 2017 Pilot with 20" wheels. I'm about to lift it 2" with a Traxxx kit, and you convinced me to get rid of the 20's. Would you recommend 17's or 18's? I plan on getting Wildpeaks AT3W's. I'm in Montreal Canada with lots of snow. I was thinking of running them in winter instead of dedicated snow tires/wheels (which I've always done), because I'll be moving from a house to a condo and am going to lose my garage space. Any thoughts on AT3W for winter? Thanks!
Great video! I'd love to see someone come out with front mount recovery tow hooks for 2018 Ridgeline! There's already a front mount trailer hitch but the big receiver sticking out kills approach angle.
I had a question... I recently bought my 2020 Honda Passport Elite Used.. Initially I was going to buy a 4Runner.. I know the mod market is much larger with 4RUNNER. But I got my Passport for a solid deal. I have always loved the appeal of overlanding and having an overlander capable of being a daily driver that gets 20+mpg is even better. One mod that I would have added to the 4Runner that I'd want to put on the passport is an under hood air compressor for tires with a hose hook up near the grill. I am curious If it's possible to do in the passport.
It’s definitely possible! I actually have my 5.65 CFM air compressor in the rear of my vehicle. I just open the hatch and get to inflating. I have my compressor hard wired.
Just got a '21 Pilot Touring for our family adventure rig. Coming from a modified 09 Forester. No-Lo plate comes in the mail today! Looking at going to 265/65R17 or 265/60R18 tires. Already curbed one of my 20s in the 2 weeks I've had it. Looking at 17 or 18"x8 wheel, but not sure what to go with for the offset. I am seeing anywhere between +35 and +45mm. I would like to the wheels to be more flush with the fender and will likely be running the Cooper Discoverer or Falken Wildpeak AT3 depending on tire size I select. Any recommendations on the offset would be appreciated!
Honda should release an offroad version that comes with the lift and taller tires (and 18 inch wheels). I just don't get why you have to buy all this stuff.
Solid work as always Jon. Some nice trail footage here too. Can't wait to see more of the adventure with daklakphoto. I've been a little scarce on Instagram lately, I did not even realize he got rid of the Forester. I bet he's loving that new rig!
softroadingthewest thanks as always! I hope all is well with you out in Oregon. It was fun to see Daklakfoto adjust to the new ride. There’s a lot more response with the Lexus GX! Take care out there!
ZoeY only praises. It gives the passport a 20:1 crawl ratio. Besides the Honda 10 speed with a 22:1, no one really comes close. Most automatics are at 14-16:1. The Honda 6 speed is at 14:1. That’s means less capability.
Been watching your videos since i got my 23 Pilot Trailsport. Eventually will upgrade to 32” tires tho Rims in 5 x 120 + 50 are practically non existent 😭.. still your videos are awesome and informative to watch
Great video, lots of information. Looks very capable on the trail. Love my 2020 Passport Elite, just ordered a hitch and harness online. Can’t wait to self-install it. If anyone can help, I’ve been looking to upgrade the exhaust to something a little throatier, nothing loud, but have not been able to find mufflers as a direct replacement. Don’t really want to get into cutting and McGyvering, was hoping for a right out of the box installation. Put a MagnaFlow or something on my last vehicle and it was fast and easy, but nothing comes up when I search for the 2020 Passport. Any suggestions or experience would be appreciated.
Congrats on the new ride! I've always the idea of modifying the exhaust, since it's the lowest point of the Passport (besides the rear lower control arms).
We were very impressed by what a bone stock RDX did on a pretty gnarly rutted trail. I think it’s very worth of some offroad mods. Check out the video: th-cam.com/video/EcKMwnEdZA4/w-d-xo.html
@@JonDZ_Adventuring just from how well it does in snow on my stock all seasons is pretty impressive. No drama at all. Surprisingly a tiny amount more ground clearance than a stock passport too, which I thought was kinda odd
@@MrMegatron85 yep!!! And everyone was impressed at how it just “crawled”. It has the highest crawl ratio of any single speed automatic transmission. It’s geared 21.9:1 vs. my passports 20.4:1 (with my taller tires my passport drops to 18.7:1). Well, the new 2023 Honda Pilot has ver 2 of the transmission in your RDX, and it’s geared 22.3:1, so you’re dethroned by a little bit.
Hello Jon, great video, super informative, I do 95% of my Passport driving in So. Cal. but occasionally hit the Sierras and would like to go with an 18" Wheel and some Nitto Grappler2 (265/60R18) which are 30.51" tall. It's great to know that this will work without a Lift Kit. My question is in regards to the Front Rubbing: Does the Wheel Off-Set affect the amount of Rubbing? I know JSport sells a KMC Wheel that matches the OEM Off Set (55mm) but other Wheels (like Black Rhino) have a 35mm Off Set and I am not sure how (or if) the Off Set will rub more or less? Thanks Man...!
stevendphoto the rubbing in the Passport/Pilot/Ridgeline happens in the front wheel well on the inner back side. Let’s say for example that somebody wanted to fit larger tires that required cutting. The trimming needs to be done 5 inches across and 4 inches high. The Lower back corner needs to be chopped off about 1 inch diagonally. With all that said, my guess is that offset won’t really make much of a difference for 30.5” tires.
@stevendphoto, @JonDZ Adventuring. I have 265/60/18 on my '19 pilot touring on +38 offset rims. Slight rub full lock both directions. Where it's rubbing doesn't seem sharp or destructive, but JonDZ might have a better answer on that aspect. ;) Oh, and my 1" diameter increase, increased my mph about 1mph, maybe 1.5mph. I have a radar detector w/gps that shows my mph, and I'm generally just +1 vs stock.
That Lexus GX looks amazing. Hey, I own a 2016 EXL Pilot, and I'd like to try out the 3.5" lift with the axel relocation kit and 33" All-Terrain tires; Will I be able to leave my stock 18" on there with all of that?
Hello, thank for this explanation. It clarifies a lot of the questions I had. I'm considering a 3rd gen Pilot, and wasn't sold on the tires. I think some 265 AT would do the trick for me.
Thank you JonDz for making this video much love from Ontario, Canada 🍁👍 2013 pilot with full 3inch lift kit. Would you know if 275/65r 18 would cause rubbing? Greatly appreciated.
This is a fantastic video and super helpful. Question, I have a 2021 Ridgeline and I'm wondering if I can fit a all season tire 255/55r20 (Bought the truck w/ upgraded 20 inch wheels)? I like the idea of having a little bit more sidewall over a 50 series tire. Would this work? Slight rubbing wouldn't bother me.
That was the first thing I did. The front skid plate covers both the engine oil pan and transmission. I have a 5% discount code with Nolo designs “JONDZ5”. The front skid plate is designed to be taken on and off so you can change your oil (or have someone do it). So, I highly recommend you install it by yourself to get familiar with it.
I think it would rub less than an All-terrain tire, but that’s a tough call. The rubbing only happens at the full turn of the steering wheel. Only at 90% steering lock.
Most of the time, just Normal / D. For the steep difficult 4WD trails I go with Sand Mode / Sport mode / Manual 1st gear with my left foot on the brake and right foot on the gas.
Great vids - Question, wondering your thoughts on a Pilot over the passport? I’d like to add a lift kit and wheels and tires, but have large mastiffs that could use the extra space of the pilot. Keep up the great vids
Sorry for the late reply. The vehicles are basically the same, the biggest difference is the Passport has 8.1 inch of ground clearance instead of 7.3 inches in the Pilot. The Passport has more clearance because of taller struts. I have a friend that is swapping out his struts to match that clearance. If you have instagram, message @awd.nv
SCTPASS true! As long as the appraiser doesn’t see the chopped up wheel well hidden behind a plastic wheel liner shroud.... you’ll get the same amount of resale 😉
@@JonDZ_Adventuring He got the title to his current car (Lincoln) 3 days before we went into Lockdown so those plans are currently on hold. I really loved the 2020 we test drove about a week before this all started.
bruceyyyyy I definitely recommend the 9 speed. I’m actually out legally adventuring California while socially distancing. His Honda 6speed has been getting overheating warnings. It’s just nice to not have to deal with that. According to my scan gauge II, I haven’t gone past 203 Fahrenheit
We have a 2021 Ridgeline. I ma considering on switching the tires to a Falken AT3 or Nitto ridge grabber 265/60/18? Would these two fit without any rubbing without the lift? Thanks! 😀
i have a DREMEL and I have a dream of running bigger tires on my Ridgeline. So can you send me a video on how to do it? thanks man i really love what you did on this passport!
Evo Renzy do you have an Instagram? I didn’t take footage of when I made the cuts, but I can show you where to do it and what to watch out for. My IG is @jondz_adventuring
Hi John, can you please tell me how all of this increased ground clearance affected the angles of the front drive shafts? And do they hold on well after all this off roading? BTW how often you do a wheel alignment? Thank you! Keep on having fun! :)
My plans for the truck are mainly for it to be a pavement Queen but I do occasionally go to the beach and drive on sand. With that said, I'm looking at the Traxda 2" front and 1.5" rear lift and am considering 20x9 +30 offset wheels with 255/55r20 tires. Any idea if this setup will fit on a 2022 model Ridgeline without rubbing?
Help requested: I am mostly looking to upgrade the 18” tires for looks and light trails. The OEM tires look very bad, to me- 245 60 18s. Would 265 60 18s look better? People’s experience? Thank you
@@mousehunter8425 Thank you for response! Are the tire quiet? Did you notice speed or gas mileage difference? BTW- exact tires I was going to purchase!!!
@@goforce32 there is a little road noise, but not much in my opinion. Mileage went down about 1.5 mpg but totally worth it. Speedo is also a mile or two off, but the truck looks 200x more “manly” or truck like. It’s been a big difference I’ve wanted since I bought it. And I love that tires are all terrain for dirt roads and towing my boat., and still 60,000 mile guarantee.
Hello Jon, Great videos and content!! I am looking to have the JONDZ Special lift kit (3.5" front & 3" rear w/axle relocator) installed on my 2016 Pilot (Currently 20" stock rims). What would be the largest tire I can install with out rub and have you had any mechanical issues? I my changed them out with after market 18" wheels. I so what would be the recommended offset and tire size? I am looking to install the Falken WildPeak AT3.
Hey Charles, pre congrats on your lift! So, the axle relocation kit will move the tire forward almost an inch. This gets the tire away from the metal wheel well that goes into the fire wall, and puts it in the area of the plastic wheel well near the front bumper. You’ll be able to fit a 32.1” tire, something like a 255/70R18, or a 31.6” tire like a 265/65R18. I think Greg from Traxda has a video where he mounted 285mm wide tires. He had to use wheel spacers because the very wide tires were hitting the subframe at steering lock. I just don’t see a reason for the extra width, added tread is so much heavier than added sidewall, so I would not recommend going past 265mm width
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Lift kits has been ordered. What Offset would you recommend for the 255/70r18? I am also looking at keeping my stock 20" and Mounting 255/55/20 which will give me 31" tires, any thoughts.
@@charleskim6059 pre congrats! Since you have the axle relocation kit, you can go with 32” tires. 265/55R20 would do the trick or 255/60R20. Just check to see how much clearance you have on the inner front subframe when you turn the wheel towards the center of your vehicle . You might need more offset on the wheels.
@@charleskim6059 I choose to run 10mm offset wheels (black rhino - case. 18” x 8”. I bought them in preparation for running a roof top tent. I wanted to widen my track width.
I have a 2005 Pilot with 265-70-16 tires. We just bought a 2023 Trailsport. Why in heck did Honda go with the 18" and 20" tires with the short sidewalls? Is it the bling?
Ditto here. Thank goodness we have the 18's. We have a 2005 Pilot with the stock alloys and 265-70-16 tires. The only thing I can think of is the attraction of young owners to bling. Big rim ,small sidewall tires. Looks great and affords better highway handling but despite the lower rubber content the 18's we have are more expensive than the 16's. I just sold my 2007 Ram 2500 Cummins with manual trans. I've got the itch to do the conversion on the 2023 Passport Trailsport but it's a slippery slope.
2021 Pilot with 20 inch wheels here. Stock tires are 245/50/20. Thinking of going 265/60/20 with the 2.5 inch lift on front and 2 inch lift in the rear. Haven't seen this setup yet so not sure on if it can and will work.
that won't work at all, that's a 32.5" tire. With no cutting or the Traxda axle relocation kit, the largest you'll fit is a 30.5" tire (with slight rub at 90% lock. As mentioned in this video, a lift wont help you, actually might make it worse. I personally have 32.1" tires 255/70R18, but I cut my wheel wells. I have zero rub, even when offroad.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring that's weird because the stock tires on the 20s are 29.6". Without the lift I have 2 inches of clearance all the way around the tire. Guess I gotta do some more research ☹
@@JonDZ_Adventuring so I guess I should just stick with the lift and the 255/55/20 that SHOULD fit it. And thanks for the vid bro, regardless of my dumb decisions you are helping our community tons 😁
@@JonDZ_Adventuring This vid is so amazing. I purchased a 2020 Ridgeline RTL-E two days ago. So, I understand about the 265 65 18 having a slight rub at 90 lock. I think that I can live with that. But I have two related questions. 1. I was thinking the BFG AT KO 2's would they be the exact same diameter as the Falken? Or do you know where I can find that info? 2. What about the travel up and down. Is there a possibility that the travel would be constrained by a this bigger tire? Sorry that I am such a newbie. Thanks again for all of your info!
Good questions Rob, I must have missed the notifications so sorry for the late reply. So, the tire size doesn’t not account for tread depth. I have P (passenger) rated falken wildpeak AT3W with a 13/32” tread. This adds 0.41”. The BFG KO2 is LT (light truck) rated and has a tread depth of 15/32” which adds 0.47”. Now what you won’t see on a spec sheet is the aggressiveness of the tire tread. Like stated in the video, A/T tires tend to be more squared off than a street tire.
Good question! I think 17 inch is an excellent wheel size. What size were you planning to go? Keep in mind a really wide Tire many run into the sub frame. The Traxda Ridgeline was able to run wide tires (I think they’re 285) by running wheel spacers. Greg at Traxda could help you with questions.
Thinking the perfect lift /cost purchase for a 24 trailsport passport is. 2" traxda lift with axle relocate 255/65r18 (31.1") on stock 18" wheels. What u think?
Phil J good question! I probably should have mentioned that, eh? A taller diameter tire will decrease the speedometer and odometer readings as well as decrease crawl ratio. I'll also add that it will use more fuel to get moving, may decrease acceleration. Rotational may increase mass increases (depending on weight difference). Highway MPG's may increase. My vehicle has 2 inch taller tires, which is a 6.8% increase in diameter / circumference.
Luckily I found this video... Time for new tires and I am looking to get the Falken Wild Peak for my 2018 Touring. Looking at 255 / 55 R20. From all these comments, I feel that there's going to be slight rubbing at full lock? Thoughts? Thank you.
I'm running stock wheels (16) and tires (235 x 70 x 16) on my 2006 Pilot. What can I get away with height, and width especially, with no modifications to suspension.
Hi JonDZ! I own a 2017 Honda Ridgeline unmodified. I'm going wider&bigger. Could the Traxda axle-forward modification be DYI installed? You said that this mod would allow 2" taller tires without wheel well modifications. Confirmed? Thank you, Frank
You would need a heavy duty machine to press out the rubber bushing out of the OEM part (sorry, I don’t know what it’s called). Sorry, I don’t think DIY hand tools would be able to complete the job. An auto shop may be able to help you.
Hi So i have successfully lifted my 2016 pilot with the same 2in kit. any recommendations for a rear camber kit ? had it aligned today and out side of tolerances. Tire size is 30.05 not sure why I have positive camber.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks it looks great. ill have to post a vid. I went with the Truxx 2in lift. On the Traxda video he mentioned someone makes a rear ridgeline kit but didnt say who. Ill keep hunting online as well. Appreciate the quick reply!!
Stock setup will rub the least unless you get a 3.5 inch lift kit. The 2 inch lift will cause the most rub, you either have to have the center hub of the wheel under or above the pinch weld.
Jay JanyH I should contact them to do a video collaboration for you all! I’m curious myself. I communicated with the owner and confirmed that the axle relocation kit can be used on non-lifted and lifted Honda Passport/Pilots/Ridgelines. He said a professional with the property tools should be hired to do the install.
Those tires will fit without a lift with slight rubbing at 90% lock. I don’t think the lift will make a different to be honest. You’ll have to lift your vehicle 3 inches of more to get off the center line of the wheel. Btw, I love my 3.5” lift 😃. About the same stress as a 1” inch lift, but over 3 inches of real gains.
If I were to get 18 inch wheels for my 2021 passport, what offset would I need? Also, what’s the biggest tires I could mount on the wheels without a lift or rubbing…? I have the stock 20 inch wheels and I just hate the low profile tires
stock offset is 55mm, I made this video a long time ago so I don't remember if I included this information. The rest of your answers are in this video, I made it just for people like you.
If 265/60/18 slight rubs at full lock, what would be the next size down to where I wouldn’t get any rub with all terrain? Tire sizes confuse me so much and I don’t wanna damage a tire in the long term from rubbing
@@explorer2945 you wouldn't damage your tire from slight rub 0.0000005% of your tires use (when you turn at full lock). Next size down is stock tire size. In the video, Traxda axle relocation kits are mentioned. This brings the tires forward 1 inch. You'll just have to trim the front wheel wells a little to complete eliminate rub. You can actually fit a 33" tire with some plastic front bumper shaving if your heart desired.
They have the "trailsport" trim. The stock Midsized Hondas already had the best gearing with the ZF9. The newer 2023 Honda Pilot now have the Honda 10 speed with a 22.7:1 crawl ratio, the most aggressive single speed transmission made so far. They all get it though, not just the trailsport, and I respect Honda for giving all their trims above average capabilities. The 2nd gen iVTM4 vehicles (2023+ Pilot trailsport, 2024 Passport/Ridgeline) do have an upgraded AWD system though and are engineered to take on moderate 4WD terrain, which is the terrain I traverse on my channel.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks for the info. I have a 2021 RTL-E and know the drive system is pretty capable. I'm no rock climber just want to do light off road but worry about underside damage.
The answer is in this video, you’ll learn so much more by watching rather than me typing it all out. No, tire size won’t mess up your AWD system. “Different” size tires will mess up differentials. If you run too big of tires on a Honda 5 or 6 speed, then you can really stress out the transmission. On the ZF9 or Honda 10 speed, you can run whatever. We have someone running 34” tires with no issues, and I have 165k miles with 32” and 33” tires.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring thank you I watch the video couple times already sir but sometimes I need like more personal responses thank you I will be more confident now to go buy the 265 for my Ridgeline
@@OmarM.Garcia 265 is the mm of width. Just keep in mind that in this video it’s mentioned you can fit a 30.5” tire on a non modified 2017+ Ridgeline with slight rub at full lock.
Yes, what kind of driving will you be doing? If you won’t be taking your vehicle on any rough terrain then I’d highly recommend an All Season tire. If you want to tackle light trails I would recommend a light trail tire like the Cooper discovery, if you want to take on more serious terrain the popular Falken Wildpeak AT3W is a good option.
So I’m looking at these 265/70r18 tires, what do I need to do for them? If I relocate the axle and do a spacer would that work or do I have to cut that back part?
You'll have to bring that axle forward atleast a half inch and trim the firewall. There's two firewalls, so don't cut into the 2nd one. Minimum 3.5" lift recommended. I hear Traxda is working on a really stout 4.5" lift. My Passport in it's current form has 4.25" of lift.
Either a 30.5” x 10.4” or a 31.1” x 10.0”. What size diameter wheel do you have? If you running the stock 20 inch wheel, you can get either 265/50R10 or 255/55R20. If you’re not using it already, the tire size calculator is an excellent tool. Link below: tiresize.com/calculator/
The lift kit will affect MPGs, but it won’t be noticeable. Maybe a 0.1 mpg loss. Tires will adversely affect MPGs. The wider you go, the more friction there will be, ALSO tire width means more tire “tread” and tread is heavy. Tire weight really affects stop and go city MPGs. The less gears in your ride, the worse it’s going to be. So if you have a 2017-2019 Ridgeline, it’ll be worse than if you had a 2020+ Ridgeline. Tire type is also a big factor. I think I talk about it in this video, I made this a little while ago. I personally drive a Passport with the ZF9 speed. At the time of filming this video I was able to get 23 MPG highway cruising at 70Mph
@@JonDZ_Adventuring 23 is actually not as bad as I thought it was going to be. I only asked about the lift because I know it can affect the ride a little. Had 2" body lift on my Silverado and I could fill that the steering felt a little more "Floaty" especially on roads with sharper turns.
@@JS-qi1ou I lifted my Passport even further with a 3.5” lift kit. Between a unibody crossover (based on a car chassis) and a body and frame truck, my lifted Passport with the rear sway bar disconnected handles somewhere in the middle. I use to drive a toyota FJ cruiser and a Subaru Forester.
I own a 2020 Honda Passport Elite Im looking for a more rugged & thicker tire set up.. Im fine with 17 or 18in wheels. Id like 265/60R18 Not sure if I want A/T or All Season
I have 22s rims and low profile tires on my Ridgeline and I aslo dropped 2 inches the back and front without these issues you mentioning guess we all have different ideas about our Ridgeline
@@Mansour-O-Killuminati oem tire is 29.6” x 10.4” , your tires are 29.0” x 11.6”. My tires are 32.1” x 10.0”. Thanks for the info, you’re tires are shorter and wider and good to know they don’t rub.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring got it thanks for the info.. I was thinking to get some bigger tire for next winter good know the maximum amount that I can go. Cheers
Daniel Ku without modification you can run a 265/65R17 tire. That’s 30.6”. There may be slight rubbing, but only at full lock... which just like @remisc mentioned, only happens when you make a U-turn. The rubbing really won’t be severe either. As far as tire brands, there are soooooo many options. What kind of driving will you be doing?
Do you know why does the pilot has a lower ground clearance if all 3 are the same? According to the Honda website the pilot has only 7.3 inch of ground clearance. The ridgeline and the passport both have 8-in ground clearance.
Daniel Ku the wheel well clearance is the same/similar, but actually there are differences between the 3 suspension size. The Ridgeline has 50-70% more robust suspension parts, the AWD Passport has taller suspension parts and have 8.1 inches of minimum ground clearance. The FWD Passports and Pilot’s have 7.3 inches.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I am looking at all-terrain tires. Cannot decide between Bridgestone Duler A/T Revo 3 or Continental Terrain Contact AT. I own a 2017 Honda Ridgeline AWD and 2020 Honda Pilot AWD.
Would definitely help! I’d love to have an offset of 20mm, that would be perfect for me. Since you plan on going with a wide tire, you should try to get them as low as you could go.
I’m not sure. I’m not a fan of wheel spacers. I rather just buy offset wheels. Oem is 55mm, a common aftermarket wheel will be 35mm (0.8 inch spaced). I now run 10mm wheels (1.77 inch spaced). If you’re just driving on the street, you should be fine with wheel spacers, but I don’t recommend it for adventure travel off pavement. Wash boards can rattle the bolts loose.
Sorry Jesus, I’m not familiar with that generation Pilot, but I’m sure there’s a lot of resources out there. Aaron with the HondaPilotOverland TH-cam channel probably knows.
Wondering if you or anyone in community know if it is ok to run 255 width tires on stock 2017 ridgeline rims normally a 245. It really opens up options for taller tires at that width. I have rtl t awd if it matters. Looked on the forum couldn’t get a definitive answer imo
@@JonDZ_Adventuring thanks! Thinking about the 2in traxda lift with the drive shaft relocator but it’s apparently impossible to finds tires at the oem width with a fatter sidewall. It’s really tempting but without any public off roading trails within 2 hours from me it’s been hard to justify
@@ianberry5562 the rest of this video will apply to you. Basically, you can fit 265/60R18 with slight rub at full lock that’s a 31” x 10.5” class tire.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring clarifying, your advice is with or without the lift and relocator? and 1 more question sorry, does the rub come from the height or width of the sidewall. I feel like it’s hard to parse the information online when people talk about multiple scenarios with differing levels of modification back and forth. I did watch the video and it was definitely helpful
@@ianberry5562 stock. You’ll actually rub more with a 2” lift. I think that’s in the video, not totally sure. The 2” lift lines up the widest part of the tires with the pinch weld. A 3.5” lift is where things really start changing. Everything is better with the 3.5” lift, suspension geometry 📐 actually improves, axles straighten. I now run 265/70R18 which is a 33” x 10.5” class tire. 10mm offset black rhino chase wheels, a 4.75” lift, dual coil springs (linear/progressive) on each strut/shock.
Hello, from any videos I’ve watched it doesn’t seem to tuck the tire in the fender well at full compression. Is that correct? I’m guessing suspension bottoms out before that point.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Ok. Thank you, I seen you are running a +10 offset on your wheels. Would you say that is the sweet spot for the tallest tire turning lock to lock or would a little higher positive offset be better?
@@krish9538 the stock 55mm offset would work best. Or you can run whatever offset you want with the Traxda USA axle relocation kit. I personally shaved off my pinch weld.
Ryan Luu something popular. Tires are popular for a reason. DON’T get Nitto RidgeGrapplers!!!! I have no idea why Honda people are getting them. My friend has one and they “lose chunks” on the trail. Go with the popular choices: Serious trail A/T: Fallen Wildpeak AT34S, Toyo Open Country AT3, Genera Grabber AT3 Light Trail: Yokohama G015, Cooper Discovery AT3 4S, Falken Wildpeak AT Trail
Charles Goehring more wheel and less rubber. True story, on the night I drove my Passport home I scraped my wheel on a curb at the dealership, it was quite embarrassing. This would have never happened with a recessed wheel and an all-terrain tire with more sidewall. The sidewall with a 20 inch wheel and oem tire size is 4.8 inches. If you go with an 18 inch wheel and plus size to a 30.5 inch tire you would have 6.3 inches. I have made modifications to my wheel well to allow for 32.1” tires, I have 7.0 inches of sidewall.
Jon do you think a 265/50/20 will fit without rubbing? Looking at the falken at trail? Falken website says it’s 30.6 tall tire calculators say it 30.4?
Not that I have anything against Honda, but why buy and ruin perfectly good mall crawler on the trails? I think decently equipped Wrangler runs about same $$. Just curious.
Gee Eee that’s a fair question. I actually regret not checking out a Jeep Wrangler JL. The reason I never even considered it was because of it’s perceived as an unreliable vehicle. The reason I purchased a Honda is because, for many, they’re #2 in reliability/dependability, right behind Toyota (however, not all models, and that’ll be a whole other story). Actually watch this video to get the history. th-cam.com/video/Hlg41C-W9r4/w-d-xo.html I basically use to drive a FJ cruiser, then a WRX, then a Forester XT and owning all those vehicles influenced the purchase of my Passport. I did not like driving the FJ, and the Subaru’s were just too unreliable. I wanted a compromise between the FJ cruiser and my WRX. This vehicle is my Daily Driver, I’m an overlander, not an off-roader. However, I’ve commented many times, I’m impressed with the JL Wrangler. It’s the only vehicle I’d trade my passport in for. I would not take a JK, 4runner, over this. I might take a GX460... but that’s a solid maybe.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I get it. That's the perception. I never owned Wrangler so I can't say anything about it's reliability. But I owned Grand Cherokee. It was OK. I also own many trucks that I "modified". And I can assure you, it doesn't add reliability either :)
@@geeeee8268 If that is your logic when purchasing a vehicle - more power to you (Hint: Did you ask who was there for an oil change?) Here Jeep Wrangler is rated 13 out of 16 SUVs (kinda low, right?): cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/jeep/wrangler/reliability OR maybe you have heard of JD Powers: LINK: yourjeepguide.com/wrangler-reliability/ "According to the J.D. Power Dependability Study, the 2018 Jeep Wrangler has a reliability score of 2.5 out of 5." (kinda low, right?) Or perhaps you failed to see the Jeep Recall of 91,000 vehicles due to ROLLOVER, from just a few days ago: LINK: www.freep.com/story/money/cars/chrysler/2020/06/18/jeep-cherokee-recall-rollaway-risk-power-loss/3213048001/ (kinda bad, right?) I found all these PROBLEMS in the time it took you to write your snappy retort. Now, if you love your Jeep and want to buy a new one, I'll sleep just fine at night! Just don't try to justify YOUR bad decision, with FAKE FACTS!
No. That would depend on the tpms sensor. The PSI rating on the door jam is 37 psi. Because of the extra weight I carry, I air up to 40 psi. I’ve been as high as 44 psi with no light. around 33 psi is when I get a low pressure warning.
** UPDATE!!! I JUST MOUNTED 32.1" 255/70R18 FALKEN WILDPEAK AT3Ws. Check out my instagram post here:
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I'm 99.9% sure you can run 255/65R18 31.1" without modification.
but... there's not many tire options. You can get the WILDPEAK TRAIL (which is a dumbed down version of the AT3W)
If you're one of the lucky bastards that went with a 17 inch wheel, you can go with 255/70R17 31.1"
there's many many many options out there! including the BFG KO2
I have a 2019 Honda Passport Elite and am looking to get some new wheels and A/T tires so I don't have a bad time on forest service roads. I'm not looking to modify/cut or lift at all, and am not looking to do anything too crazy, but will have an off-road teardrop trailer that I want to tow back to some awesome campsites. My main concern is rubbing, as I'm sure all of ours is.
My question for you is if I go with a 17 inch wheel like the KMC Bully KM708 (17x8, 38mm offset) and an A/T tire like the BFG KO2, would you recommend a 255/70R17 (31.1" x 10.0"), a 265/65R17 (30.6" x 10.4"), a 245/70R17 (30.5" x 9.6"), or a 255/65R17 (30.1" x 10.0")? I'm trying to avoid rubbing, but would like to maximize what I can do since I don't have a desire to do other modifications like cutting or a lift. I will almost certainly add a skid plate though! :)
Thanks for the great videos and information!
Stefano Prezioso the with a 30.5” tire, the rubbing is only beyond 90% lock and is very minimal. It sounds like you don’t want to deal with that at all. If so, avoid the 265/65R17 and just go for either 265/60R17, 255/65R17.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Awesome! Thanks kindly for the quick response and great content!
How are you so certain (99.9%)?
I just wanted to follow up. I just installed the "LT255/65R-17 BFGOODRICH ALL-TERRAIN T/A KO2 D" tires on KMC KM708 17x8 wheels on my 2019 Honda Passport Elite and have no rubbing. At its closest point during full lock, there's maybe 3/16" of clearance at the tire's closest spot. Thanks for your suggestion and helpful content!
For anyone looking to stay with factory 20" tires, I'm running 255x55x20 Michelin defenders ltx ms with no rubbing!
This is the exact tire set up I'm looking at purchasing: Michelin ltx 255/55r20. I really want that extra bit of sidewall over the 50 series tire. Glad to hear they work!
Everything still all good?
@@cloneordie Yup, matter of fact put this same tire on the wife's passport about a Month ago. She raves about how much better the ride is!
Would this be true also with a 9" wide rim? In 20's.
As always, you provide useful info and good contents. Thank you!
Kevin Lu thanks 🙏!!! I wish I had this info when I first bought my passport. I initially purchased 255/60R18 tires thinking that was the largest I could run according to the forums. That was only a 30.0” tire. Now that I have all this first hand experience I just want to share what I know. I really hope other people can avoid the mistake I made. I bought the tires for $600 and sold them off for $350, that was a $250 loss 😭
Finally got the 3.5 lift kit on my 2020 Honda Pilot. Was able to fit a 32.4 inch tire. Had to cut the bumper a small bit. About an inch or 2 at the bottom. Slight rub on a full turn. Going to post a video about it soon. Your videos helped out a ton.
Awesome!!
2016 Honda Pilot here with 265/60/18 Nitto Ridge Grapplers (30.5" tall and 10.7" wide) and I agree, they fit stock. Actually lifting 2" made it now rub just a hair on that portion you cut. It is so minimal that for now I do not plan on doing any cutting. It happens at near full lock so unless I am doing a U-Turn I never get there. Keep up the great work!
REMIS Computer Solutions oh! Interesting! So... I think I know what you can do to stop all the rubbing. Under the wheel liner there will be two bolts. Try unbolting them. They aren’t really there for structural support, since the other 3 corners are welded. Those bolts are just there to connect the beams so the Factory can compete the welds. They’re basically useless now. Take a heat gun and reform it. Might do the trick!
Honda would be proud seeing your passport adventuring off-road. Loved this video -from a 2019 Ridgeline owner :)
Thanks for the kind words @Xenon Kat5!
One of the biggest reasons people need to get rid of those 20’s is adding rubber between the rim and ground. A bigger tire is better on a smaller rim because when you air down you have alot less risk blowing your tire bead. Also a bigger tire on a smaller rim creates a longer foot print when air’d down which is what actually matters for better traction. Wider tires have nothing to do with better traction, they just look meatier. Bigger tire on a smaller rim will also improve your ride quality on trails.
jamesngotts I had two pinch flats when I had my Subaru Forester and that was with 5.8 inches of sidewalk. The oem setup in the passport is only 4.7 inches of side wall 😱. That’s scary!!!! I’d be terrified of airing down and losing even more sidewall clearance. Both Wheels and tires would get absolutely WRECKED on a moderately rocky trail.
JonDZ Adventuring you should be around 6.8 inches of side wall now which is alot better.
It’s awesome to see the aftermarket for your rig is growing. Are there lift kits which drop your diffs lower?
jamesngotts Companies like Traxda, Jsport and Truxx offer all the basic aftermarket support but there isn’t any “big name” support. Hopefully in time we will start seeing coilover suspension upgrades, better rock sliders, etc.
Traxda offers a 3.5 inch lift kit. They use 2 inch strut spacers and 1.5 inch subframe spacers. The way these Honda’s are setup, it’ll take good advantage of this lift. The lowest point is the gas tank and muffler. The drive shaft and rear diff sit up high. With the addition of the 1.5 inch subframe spacers, everything but the drive shaft and rear diff go up, but since my rear diff sits at 12 inches, I’m okay with that.
The only thing I’m worried about is how the subframe spacers will affect onroad handling.
JonDZ Adventuring yeah the higher you lift the adverse the effect to on road handling, especially with independent suspension setups. It will probably still be very manageable though. Is there any drive line updates or winch/bumper mounting options out there yet?
jamesngotts I looked, and unfortunately, I don’t see any options or anyone that has a winch on their newer model Honda’s.
Maybe I’ll just have to get something custom?
Traded my awd 2017 pilot to a 2020 ridgeline black edition, cant wait to take it to some trails and campgrounds
Congrats! I'm glad they put the ZF9 speed in the 2020 Ridgelines.
Should have waited for the 2021
@@reyperez3424 its same all through out except the face lift
Hell Jon, I just swapped over my Passport wheels and tires for some 18" Black Rhino "Arches" paired with the Continental TerrainContact A/T tires: They are only 1" taller than the stock set-up and they look like there is plenty of room. I have no plans to do a Lift Kit, If you want to see them I posted them in a thread on the Passportforums site in the "Wheels & Tires" forum..
I'm ready for the Sierras now...! Cheers
lol "Hello" not "hell"...
stevendphoto hell! 🤣 Congratulations! 🍾
I looked up those wheels and I really like the look. The edgy design compliments the passport well. I really like the style of black rhinos!
Links???
Gio Renaud www.blackrhinowheels.com/truck-wheels-configurator/#/year=2019&make=Honda&model=Passport&size=18%20Inch%20Wheels
Wanted to see how your truck looks on them
You guys look like you're having a blast in those Hondas
Great video! Ive got a 2019 Passport that has a 1.5" lift. I run two wheel sets, the winters are Blizzaks 265/50R20 (stock rims) and I just mounted the set I'll use the rest of the year which is 265/60R18 Continental Terrain Contact HT (not the AT, I just don't off road all that much and the HT will do vast majority of what I do off road).
I average about 23mpg across all driving, highest is about 27-28.
Edit: forgot to mention that wheel offset (mostly on aftermarket rims) can also play a part in wheel well clearance for tires
Matthew Muscarella thanks for the info! 🙏
Wow! That’s pretty amazing that you can get 28-29 mpg. Not bad for a vehicle rated at 24 mpg right? I’m very pleased I can get 23-24mpg cruising at 70mph. I drove from Las Vegas to Los Angeles this morning doing 80-85mph and got 19.5 mpg loaded with camping equipment with a rear hitch basket attached. It is a little bit downhill
@@JonDZ_Adventuring oh that 28mpg was only once haha crushing at 55 at night with a tailwind. Normal highway driving where I live is closer to 25-26.
Rides much better though with the thicker sidewall tires and I pump them up to 42psi
My best mpg was roughly 300 miles from Bishop to Garden Grove, loaded with camping gear: 27.6!
@@stevendphoto wouldve been some awesome range if you had gotten that for the whole tank!
stevendphoto I drove 320 miles round trip from Sedona, AZ to lake Powell and back with my Wife and Brother loaded up with gear and my rear hitch carrier holding my inflatable kayaks. This is with my current modifications (cut bumper, lift kit roof and cargo carrier. I got 23.5 mpg average at 70mph. It wasn’t very windy that day, so neither head or tail wind. Here’s my Instagram post about it.
instagram.com/p/B-2s3EiJfeN/?igshid=1w75zxnmfbche
Now with that said... I’ll drive up to mammoth by myself with minimal gear. As you know, it gets very very windy!!! Sometimes the wind comes from the side. I’ll get 18-19.5 mpg on the way up! Once I was able to get 28 mpg on the way home (downhill + tail wind).
Thanks Jon! I have the Ridgeline, so glad it does not have the 20" wheels. I really like the Passport except for the hard riding 20" wheels.
I enjoy watching what you and your group does with SUV's!
Jon, have you done anything to recalibrate the speedometer to be accurate after larger tires?
Ron Dail interesting fact, much of the Ridgeline suspension parts are built tougher. Honda pro Jason has a video about it, and I want to say about 70% of the parts are more robust. Just going off of memory. Yes, it’s unfortunate the Passport only comes in 20 inch wheels. These are not what you want to have once you leave pavement and since the passport is marketed as an outdoorsy vehicle, I’d really like to see future models with a lower profile rim option. The good news is that people will spend money to buy 20’s. I had a friend that sold his set for $500 which went towards his set of 18 inch designer wheels.
As far as the odometer/ speedometer. I just have to do the math in my head. It’s a 6.8% difference. I may go with 265/70R18 tires in the future, which would be a 10% difference, so I haven’t seeked to have things corrected yet.
I have a 2019 Tacoma trdpro manual with 285/75r16. But i still find this interesting with the Hondas? Good video and nice you go on trails! 👍
BDevi0us thank you very much for the kind words! You have a beautiful machine!
Good job Jon I enjoy your vids keep them coming!!
I just picked up a Black 2024 Passport Trailsport, I just started watching your channel, it's a great channel, watching you from north of Toronto Canada 🇨🇦
Love seeing Honda’s off road. 2013 Ridgeline, definitely gonna lift it a couple so we can do some light trail stuff like this. Thanks for the video.
It's fun to see people wheeling newer rigs. I have beat on my wife's 2017 Highlander a bit and even with street tires it does decently well. It drags its soft underbelly quite a bit though. I picked up a cheap 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee and it is incredibly capable even completely stock.
turbolq4 congrats on the JGC! My friend just picked up a WJ himself! I can’t wait to see what the thing will do.
Great video, thank you. I have a 2017 Pilot with 20" wheels. I'm about to lift it 2" with a Traxxx kit, and you convinced me to get rid of the 20's. Would you recommend 17's or 18's? I plan on getting Wildpeaks AT3W's. I'm in Montreal Canada with lots of snow. I was thinking of running them in winter instead of dedicated snow tires/wheels (which I've always done), because I'll be moving from a house to a condo and am going to lose my garage space. Any thoughts on AT3W for winter? Thanks!
Great video! I'd love to see someone come out with front mount recovery tow hooks for 2018 Ridgeline! There's already a front mount trailer hitch but the big receiver sticking out kills approach angle.
Great info, thanks!
I had a question...
I recently bought my 2020 Honda Passport Elite Used.. Initially I was going to buy a 4Runner.. I know the mod market is much larger with 4RUNNER.
But I got my Passport for a solid deal. I have always loved the appeal of overlanding and having an overlander capable of being a daily driver that gets 20+mpg is even better.
One mod that I would have added to the 4Runner that I'd want to put on the passport is an under hood air compressor for tires with a hose hook up near the grill.
I am curious If it's possible to do in the passport.
It’s definitely possible! I actually have my 5.65 CFM air compressor in the rear of my vehicle. I just open the hatch and get to inflating. I have my compressor hard wired.
Just got a '21 Pilot Touring for our family adventure rig. Coming from a modified 09 Forester. No-Lo plate comes in the mail today! Looking at going to 265/65R17 or 265/60R18 tires. Already curbed one of my 20s in the 2 weeks I've had it. Looking at 17 or 18"x8 wheel, but not sure what to go with for the offset. I am seeing anywhere between +35 and +45mm. I would like to the wheels to be more flush with the fender and will likely be running the Cooper Discoverer or Falken Wildpeak AT3 depending on tire size I select. Any recommendations on the offset would be appreciated!
Eighteen inch rims ,265/50 trail tires fit very nicely, and it looks great on it,
Honda should release an offroad version that comes with the lift and taller tires (and 18 inch wheels). I just don't get why you have to buy all this stuff.
Solid work as always Jon. Some nice trail footage here too. Can't wait to see more of the adventure with daklakphoto. I've been a little scarce on Instagram lately, I did not even realize he got rid of the Forester. I bet he's loving that new rig!
softroadingthewest thanks as always! I hope all is well with you out in Oregon. It was fun to see Daklakfoto adjust to the new ride. There’s a lot more response with the Lexus GX!
Take care out there!
great video. I am searching my next car now. I have question about how is the 9 speed ZF trans? thanks
ZoeY thanks! What is your question? For 2019+ the Honda’s Passport has the 2nd gen ZF9.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring thanks for your reply. My question is do you have any complaints about the zf trans, any issues or concerns?
ZoeY only praises. It gives the passport a 20:1 crawl ratio. Besides the Honda 10 speed with a 22:1, no one really comes close. Most automatics are at 14-16:1. The Honda 6 speed is at 14:1. That’s means less capability.
Been watching your videos since i got my 23 Pilot Trailsport. Eventually will upgrade to 32” tires tho Rims in 5 x 120 + 50 are practically non existent 😭.. still your videos are awesome and informative to watch
Great video, lots of information. Looks very capable on the trail. Love my 2020 Passport Elite, just ordered a hitch and harness online. Can’t wait to self-install it. If anyone can help, I’ve been looking to upgrade the exhaust to something a little throatier, nothing loud, but have not been able to find mufflers as a direct replacement. Don’t really want to get into cutting and McGyvering, was hoping for a right out of the box installation. Put a MagnaFlow or something on my last vehicle and it was fast and easy, but nothing comes up when I search for the 2020 Passport. Any suggestions or experience would be appreciated.
Congrats on the new ride! I've always the idea of modifying the exhaust, since it's the lowest point of the Passport (besides the rear lower control arms).
Thinking about giving my 2021 RDX the off-road treatment. Lots of good info here🤙
We were very impressed by what a bone stock RDX did on a pretty gnarly rutted trail. I think it’s very worth of some offroad mods. Check out the video: th-cam.com/video/EcKMwnEdZA4/w-d-xo.html
@@JonDZ_Adventuring just from how well it does in snow on my stock all seasons is pretty impressive. No drama at all. Surprisingly a tiny amount more ground clearance than a stock passport too, which I thought was kinda odd
@@JonDZ_Adventuring haha oh dang! The RDX going down that trail in the stock 20s!? That's crazy!
@@MrMegatron85 yep!!! And everyone was impressed at how it just “crawled”. It has the highest crawl ratio of any single speed automatic transmission. It’s geared 21.9:1 vs. my passports 20.4:1 (with my taller tires my passport drops to 18.7:1).
Well, the new 2023 Honda Pilot has ver 2 of the transmission in your RDX, and it’s geared 22.3:1, so you’re dethroned by a little bit.
Hello Jon, great video, super informative, I do 95% of my Passport driving in So. Cal. but occasionally hit the Sierras and would like to go with an 18" Wheel and some Nitto Grappler2 (265/60R18) which are 30.51" tall. It's great to know that this will work without a Lift Kit. My question is in regards to the Front Rubbing: Does the Wheel Off-Set affect the amount of Rubbing? I know JSport sells a KMC Wheel that matches the OEM Off Set (55mm) but other Wheels (like Black Rhino) have a 35mm Off Set and I am not sure how (or if) the Off Set will rub more or less? Thanks Man...!
stevendphoto the rubbing in the Passport/Pilot/Ridgeline happens in the front wheel well on the inner back side. Let’s say for example that somebody wanted to fit larger tires that required cutting. The trimming needs to be done 5 inches across and 4 inches high. The Lower back corner needs to be chopped off about 1 inch diagonally. With all that said, my guess is that offset won’t really make much of a difference for 30.5” tires.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks, great to know...
@stevendphoto, @JonDZ Adventuring. I have 265/60/18 on my '19 pilot touring on +38 offset rims. Slight rub full lock both directions. Where it's rubbing doesn't seem sharp or destructive, but JonDZ might have a better answer on that aspect. ;)
Oh, and my 1" diameter increase, increased my mph about 1mph, maybe 1.5mph. I have a radar detector w/gps that shows my mph, and I'm generally just +1 vs stock.
That Lexus GX looks amazing. Hey, I own a 2016 EXL Pilot, and I'd like to try out the 3.5" lift with the axel relocation kit and 33" All-Terrain tires; Will I be able to leave my stock 18" on there with all of that?
Yes, you can definitely use your stock 18 inch wheels
Hello, thank for this explanation. It clarifies a lot of the questions I had. I'm considering a 3rd gen Pilot, and wasn't sold on the tires. I think some 265 AT would do the trick for me.
265/60r18
Just don’t go over 30.5 diameter
Thanks for answering Kristine! I totally missed replying to this guy.
Thank you JonDz for making this video much love from Ontario, Canada 🍁👍
2013 pilot with full 3inch lift kit. Would you know if 275/65r 18 would cause rubbing? Greatly appreciated.
This is a fantastic video and super helpful. Question, I have a 2021 Ridgeline and I'm wondering if I can fit a all season tire 255/55r20 (Bought the truck w/ upgraded 20 inch wheels)? I like the idea of having a little bit more sidewall over a 50 series tire. Would this work? Slight rubbing wouldn't bother me.
Thanks. So, for slight rub, max would be a 30.5” tire. 255/55R20 is a 31.0” tire and you’ll need to make some modifications by trimming or hammering.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thank you for the quick reply! I'll go with the 265/50r20.
@JonDZ. Did you add skid plates to your vehicle? Were they expensive to install?
That was the first thing I did. The front skid plate covers both the engine oil pan and transmission. I have a 5% discount code with Nolo designs “JONDZ5”. The front skid plate is designed to be taken on and off so you can change your oil (or have someone do it). So, I highly recommend you install it by yourself to get familiar with it.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring . Thank you!
Do you think the Michelin Defender LTX M/S 265/60R18 would work without any rubbing?
I think it would rub less than an All-terrain tire, but that’s a tough call. The rubbing only happens at the full turn of the steering wheel. Only at 90% steering lock.
thats all I run on my 2017 Ridgeline w/no problem and 25 mpg
Sweet. I was just looking for this answer as well. I’ll keep my other question until after I watch the video.
Jon, when you go off-roading what mode do you usually use? Normal/Snow/Mud etc.
Most of the time, just Normal / D. For the steep difficult 4WD trails I go with Sand Mode / Sport mode / Manual 1st gear with my left foot on the brake and right foot on the gas.
Great vids - Question, wondering your thoughts on a Pilot over the passport? I’d like to add a lift kit and wheels and tires, but have large mastiffs that could use the extra space of the pilot.
Keep up the great vids
Sorry for the late reply. The vehicles are basically the same, the biggest difference is the Passport has 8.1 inch of ground clearance instead of 7.3 inches in the Pilot. The Passport has more clearance because of taller struts. I have a friend that is swapping out his struts to match that clearance. If you have instagram, message @awd.nv
You need to make a video showing how to make the necessary cuts needed for larger tires now! 🙌🙌🙌
SCTPASS sure! But I’m going to need a volunteer 🤣. I know you’re not a candidate, so who’s up for it???
JonDZ Adventuring hahaha maybe afternoon these tires wear out 🤷♂️ I have a feeling that that’s going to be a while though...
SCTPASS true! As long as the appraiser doesn’t see the chopped up wheel well hidden behind a plastic wheel liner shroud.... you’ll get the same amount of resale 😉
JonDZ Adventuring hahaha truth
I’m in Alabama but if you’re still looking for a volunteer
Man if I was buying a new car right now I'm pretty sure it would be a Ridgeline. That 3.5" lifted one is looking great.
bruceyyyyy did you buddy ever get one? Eventually, I will get the 3.5 inch lift 😈. I figure I could slap on some 265/70R18’s after I do. We will see.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring He got the title to his current car (Lincoln) 3 days before we went into Lockdown so those plans are currently on hold.
I really loved the 2020 we test drove about a week before this all started.
bruceyyyyy I definitely recommend the 9 speed. I’m actually out legally adventuring California while socially distancing. His Honda 6speed has been getting overheating warnings. It’s just nice to not have to deal with that. According to my scan gauge II, I haven’t gone past 203 Fahrenheit
We have a 2021 Ridgeline. I ma considering on switching the tires to a Falken AT3 or Nitto ridge grabber 265/60/18? Would these two fit without any rubbing without the lift? Thanks! 😀
There would be a little rub at full lock, but nothing too crazy
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Okay. Thanks!
Did you do it? Any rubbing?
Would 265 /60/18 all season be ok??
i have a DREMEL and I have a dream of running bigger tires on my Ridgeline. So can you send me a video on how to do it? thanks man i really love what you did on this passport!
Evo Renzy do you have an Instagram? I didn’t take footage of when I made the cuts, but I can show you where to do it and what to watch out for. My IG is @jondz_adventuring
Hi John, can you please tell me how all of this increased ground clearance affected the angles of the front drive shafts? And do they hold on well after all this off roading? BTW how often you do a wheel alignment? Thank you! Keep on having fun! :)
🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗
Does that white pilot also have tube channel?
My plans for the truck are mainly for it to be a pavement Queen but I do occasionally go to the beach and drive on sand. With that said, I'm looking at the Traxda 2" front and 1.5" rear lift and am considering 20x9 +30 offset wheels with 255/55r20 tires. Any idea if this setup will fit on a 2022 model Ridgeline without rubbing?
Go 265/50R20, which is a 30.4” x 10.4” tire. That’ll fit.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks for such a quick reply. I was looking at that size too. Great video by the way!
Help requested: I am mostly looking to upgrade the 18” tires for looks and light trails. The OEM tires look very bad, to me- 245 60 18s. Would 265 60 18s look better? People’s experience?
Thank you
Yes! I put 265 60 R18 Cooper Discovery AT3’s on my 2017 Ridgeline and it looks great! Can’t feel any rubbing either.
@@mousehunter8425 Thank you for response! Are the tire quiet? Did you notice speed or gas mileage difference? BTW- exact tires I was going to purchase!!!
@@goforce32 there is a little road noise, but not much in my opinion. Mileage went down about 1.5 mpg but totally worth it. Speedo is also a mile or two off, but the truck looks 200x more “manly” or truck like. It’s been a big difference I’ve wanted since I bought it. And I love that tires are all terrain for dirt roads and towing my boat., and still 60,000 mile guarantee.
@@mousehunter8425 Thanks again. Great info and it helps. ;-)
Hello Jon, Great videos and content!! I am looking to have the JONDZ Special lift kit (3.5" front & 3" rear w/axle relocator) installed on my 2016 Pilot (Currently 20" stock rims). What would be the largest tire I can install with out rub and have you had any mechanical issues? I my changed them out with after market 18" wheels. I so what would be the recommended offset and tire size? I am looking to install the Falken WildPeak AT3.
Hey Charles, pre congrats on your lift! So, the axle relocation kit will move the tire forward almost an inch. This gets the tire away from the metal wheel well that goes into the fire wall, and puts it in the area of the plastic wheel well near the front bumper. You’ll be able to fit a 32.1” tire, something like a 255/70R18, or a 31.6” tire like a 265/65R18. I think Greg from Traxda has a video where he mounted 285mm wide tires. He had to use wheel spacers because the very wide tires were hitting the subframe at steering lock. I just don’t see a reason for the extra width, added tread is so much heavier than added sidewall, so I would not recommend going past 265mm width
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Lift kits has been ordered. What Offset would you recommend for the 255/70r18? I am also looking at keeping my stock 20" and Mounting 255/55/20 which will give me 31" tires, any thoughts.
@@charleskim6059 pre congrats! Since you have the axle relocation kit, you can go with 32” tires. 265/55R20 would do the trick or 255/60R20. Just check to see how much clearance you have on the inner front subframe when you turn the wheel towards the center of your vehicle . You might need more offset on the wheels.
Jon, What is the offset of the wheels you are currently running on your vehicle with the new tires?
@@charleskim6059 I choose to run 10mm offset wheels (black rhino - case. 18” x 8”. I bought them in preparation for running a roof top tent. I wanted to widen my track width.
I have a 2005 Pilot with 265-70-16 tires. We just bought a 2023 Trailsport. Why in heck did Honda go with the 18" and 20" tires with the short sidewalls? Is it the bling?
Ditto here. Thank goodness we have the 18's. We have a 2005 Pilot with the stock alloys and 265-70-16 tires. The only thing I can think of is the attraction of young owners to bling. Big rim ,small sidewall tires. Looks great and affords better highway handling but despite the lower rubber content the 18's we have are more expensive than the 16's. I just sold my 2007 Ram 2500 Cummins with manual trans. I've got the itch to do the conversion on the 2023 Passport Trailsport but it's a slippery slope.
Good info as always. One thing I wish you would have included is to adjust your mpg and speed with larger tires.
2021 Pilot with 20 inch wheels here. Stock tires are 245/50/20. Thinking of going 265/60/20 with the 2.5 inch lift on front and 2 inch lift in the rear. Haven't seen this setup yet so not sure on if it can and will work.
that won't work at all, that's a 32.5" tire. With no cutting or the Traxda axle relocation kit, the largest you'll fit is a 30.5" tire (with slight rub at 90% lock. As mentioned in this video, a lift wont help you, actually might make it worse. I personally have 32.1" tires 255/70R18, but I cut my wheel wells. I have zero rub, even when offroad.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring that's weird because the stock tires on the 20s are 29.6". Without the lift I have 2 inches of clearance all the way around the tire. Guess I gotta do some more research ☹
This video is it. There’s nothing out there, that’s why I made the video. Just for you 😃.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring so I guess I should just stick with the lift and the 255/55/20 that SHOULD fit it. And thanks for the vid bro, regardless of my dumb decisions you are helping our community tons 😁
@@dy2_str33t_king if you have a dremel and a dream... you probably could live out your fantasy of taller tires 🤣
You probably already answered this question but what is the max tire size you can put on a Honda ridgeline 2022 without a lift? Thanks
The answer is in this video. It’s not exactly cut and dry, so I recommend you listen to the explanation.
Can I keep my 18” stock tires to put on the 265/60/R18?
‘18 Pilot EX-L
Sorry for the late reply, you absolutely can. There will be slight rub, but only at 90% lock, which most people can easily deal with.
JonDZ Adventuring all good. You answered my Q on IG. Thanks.
More Qs via DM to come. Lol
@@JonDZ_Adventuring This vid is so amazing. I purchased a 2020 Ridgeline RTL-E two days ago. So, I understand about the 265 65 18 having a slight rub at 90 lock. I think that I can live with that. But I have two related questions. 1. I was thinking the BFG AT KO 2's would they be the exact same diameter as the Falken? Or do you know where I can find that info?
2. What about the travel up and down. Is there a possibility that the travel would be constrained by a this bigger tire? Sorry that I am such a newbie. Thanks again for all of your info!
@@1964robw I'm glad you asked the question, because I just bought a Ridgeline 2020 too and was asking myself the same question.
Good questions Rob, I must have missed the notifications so sorry for the late reply. So, the tire size doesn’t not account for tread depth. I have P (passenger) rated falken wildpeak AT3W with a 13/32” tread. This adds 0.41”. The BFG KO2 is LT (light truck) rated and has a tread depth of 15/32” which adds 0.47”. Now what you won’t see on a spec sheet is the aggressiveness of the tire tread. Like stated in the video, A/T tires tend to be more squared off than a street tire.
JonDZ if I'm going to taller tires, what do you think about going from 18" down to 17" wheels in order to get the right tires?
Good question! I think 17 inch is an excellent wheel size. What size were you planning to go? Keep in mind a really wide Tire many run into the sub frame. The Traxda Ridgeline was able to run wide tires (I think they’re 285) by running wheel spacers. Greg at Traxda could help you with questions.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I'm thinking 265-65R-17, 30.56" diameter
@@JonDZ_Adventuring thank you!!
Thinking the perfect lift /cost purchase for a 24 trailsport passport is.
2" traxda lift with axle relocate
255/65r18 (31.1") on stock 18" wheels.
What u think?
275/65/18 32"
Hey I know old video but was wondering if I do the relocation kit, can I put that 32.1” tire without the lift or does it still need a lift?
You can do it without the lift
What does the larger tires do to the speedometer reading?
Phil J good question! I probably should have mentioned that, eh? A taller diameter tire will decrease the speedometer and odometer readings as well as decrease crawl ratio. I'll also add that it will use more fuel to get moving, may decrease acceleration. Rotational may increase mass increases (depending on weight difference). Highway MPG's may increase. My vehicle has 2 inch taller tires, which is a 6.8% increase in diameter / circumference.
That could be fixed?
Luckily I found this video... Time for new tires and I am looking to get the Falken Wild Peak for my 2018 Touring. Looking at 255 / 55 R20. From all these comments, I feel that there's going to be slight rubbing at full lock? Thoughts? Thank you.
stop, get rid of the 20" rims itself.
Any luck with the 255/55/R20, I’m looking at the same tire for my 2019 passport
I'm running stock wheels (16) and tires (235 x 70 x 16) on my 2006 Pilot. What can I get away with height, and width especially, with no modifications to suspension.
I have no idea 🤣. Sorry, but this video only applies the newer models. There’s a guy that off-road/overlands a 1st Gen Pilot. He would probably know
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Well damn!
245/75R16 fits without rubbing on my 04.
@@GabSailsCaper That's probably what I'll start with. I am considering a 255!
Hi JonDZ! I own a 2017 Honda Ridgeline unmodified. I'm going wider&bigger. Could the Traxda axle-forward modification be DYI installed? You said that this mod would allow 2" taller tires without wheel well modifications. Confirmed? Thank you, Frank
You would need a heavy duty machine to press out the rubber bushing out of the OEM part (sorry, I don’t know what it’s called). Sorry, I don’t think DIY hand tools would be able to complete the job. An auto shop may be able to help you.
You can contact Traxda to help you find someone to press out the bushings.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks! The website says that they will have a urethane insert to go along with the kit soon. Cool Runnings, F
Hi So i have successfully lifted my 2016 pilot with the same 2in kit. any recommendations for a rear camber kit ? had it aligned today and out side of tolerances. Tire size is 30.05 not sure why I have positive camber.
paulg35c congrats on the lift! Sorry, but I don’t have your answer. What lift did you go with and have you contact them?
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks it looks great. ill have to post a vid. I went with the Truxx 2in lift. On the Traxda video he mentioned someone makes a rear ridgeline kit but didnt say who. Ill keep hunting online as well. Appreciate the quick reply!!
What size A/T tire should I get for the 2019 passport without rubbing. Won't be in any rough terrain just water. Thanks
With zero rubbing? 255/50R20. That’s a 30 inch tire. With slight rub at only 90% lock, 265/50R20, that’s a 30.4 inch tire.
Will 265/60R18 Wildpeaks work on the stock wheels of the pilot? Without spacers or a lift kit
Stock setup will rub the least unless you get a 3.5 inch lift kit. The 2 inch lift will cause the most rub, you either have to have the center hub of the wheel under or above the pinch weld.
Do a video of the Traxda work, needed at 03:57
Jay JanyH I should contact them to do a video collaboration for you all! I’m curious myself. I communicated with the owner and confirmed that the axle relocation kit can be used on non-lifted and lifted Honda Passport/Pilots/Ridgelines. He said a professional with the property tools should be hired to do the install.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring and he is the only one on the planet qualified. Lol
Jon,
Do you know if a 1 to 1.5 inch lift will provide clearance for the 265/60R18 A/T?
Those tires will fit without a lift with slight rubbing at 90% lock. I don’t think the lift will make a different to be honest. You’ll have to lift your vehicle 3 inches of more to get off the center line of the wheel. Btw, I love my 3.5” lift 😃. About the same stress as a 1” inch lift, but over 3 inches of real gains.
@@JonDZ_AdventuringI have a 2009 Ridgeline all stock. does 265/60/18 would fit ?
If I were to get 18 inch wheels for my 2021 passport, what offset would I need? Also, what’s the biggest tires I could mount on the wheels without a lift or rubbing…? I have the stock 20 inch wheels and I just hate the low profile tires
stock offset is 55mm, I made this video a long time ago so I don't remember if I included this information. The rest of your answers are in this video, I made it just for people like you.
If 265/60/18 slight rubs at full lock, what would be the next size down to where I wouldn’t get any rub with all terrain? Tire sizes confuse me so much and I don’t wanna damage a tire in the long term from rubbing
@@explorer2945 you wouldn't damage your tire from slight rub 0.0000005% of your tires use (when you turn at full lock). Next size down is stock tire size.
In the video, Traxda axle relocation kits are mentioned. This brings the tires forward 1 inch. You'll just have to trim the front wheel wells a little to complete eliminate rub. You can actually fit a 33" tire with some plastic front bumper shaving if your heart desired.
I think if Honda offered an off road trim it would sell. Such mods as lifting, gearing and skid plates could easily be done at the factory.
They have the "trailsport" trim. The stock Midsized Hondas already had the best gearing with the ZF9. The newer 2023 Honda Pilot now have the Honda 10 speed with a 22.7:1 crawl ratio, the most aggressive single speed transmission made so far. They all get it though, not just the trailsport, and I respect Honda for giving all their trims above average capabilities. The 2nd gen iVTM4 vehicles (2023+ Pilot trailsport, 2024 Passport/Ridgeline) do have an upgraded AWD system though and are engineered to take on moderate 4WD terrain, which is the terrain I traverse on my channel.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks for the info. I have a 2021 RTL-E and know the drive system is pretty capable. I'm no rock climber just want to do light off road but worry about underside damage.
Can I put bigger tires on my Ridgeline AWD? I know will fit the 265 but my question is most regarding the AWD if there’s an issue been an AWD
The answer is in this video, you’ll learn so much more by watching rather than me typing it all out. No, tire size won’t mess up your AWD system. “Different” size tires will mess up differentials. If you run too big of tires on a Honda 5 or 6 speed, then you can really stress out the transmission. On the ZF9 or Honda 10 speed, you can run whatever. We have someone running 34” tires with no issues, and I have 165k miles with 32” and 33” tires.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring thank you I watch the video couple times already sir but sometimes I need like more personal responses thank you I will be more confident now to go buy the 265 for my Ridgeline
@@OmarM.Garcia 265 is the mm of width. Just keep in mind that in this video it’s mentioned you can fit a 30.5” tire on a non modified 2017+ Ridgeline with slight rub at full lock.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring yes sir thank you!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I already ordered the tires 265/60 18 scorpions all terrain plus
What kind of wheel spacers should I get for a 2016 Honda pilot?
Hey bud. Thanks for the video. Can you recommend a 30” tire? Preferably 18” wheel
Yes, what kind of driving will you be doing? If you won’t be taking your vehicle on any rough terrain then I’d highly recommend an All Season tire. If you want to tackle light trails I would recommend a light trail tire like the Cooper discovery, if you want to take on more serious terrain the popular Falken Wildpeak AT3W is a good option.
I’m building an Honda Element getting the 3 inch lift kit and wheel spacer wanna go big all around thinking about 15 inch rims to get more tires
So I’m looking at these 265/70r18 tires, what do I need to do for them? If I relocate the axle and do a spacer would that work or do I have to cut that back part?
You'll have to bring that axle forward atleast a half inch and trim the firewall. There's two firewalls, so don't cut into the 2nd one. Minimum 3.5" lift recommended. I hear Traxda is working on a really stout 4.5" lift.
My Passport in it's current form has 4.25" of lift.
I'm thinking about running 275/45/20 Cooper Zeon Ltz's. Is this possible? Do I need to modify?
Ree B that’s a 29.7” tire and would fit just fine.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thnx buddy! 👍🏾
You have a video on 2004 Honda pilot
Did you have any issues with the speedometer, tire pressure sensor, or any other components when you downsized the tires from the 20’ ‘to the 18’’?
No. In theory, the change in wheel size should do nothing and I can confirm that.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring awesome! Thank you for replying and for the information!
Hey Jon if you wanted to run a 17" tire which Tire Rack has what would that be 265/65/17? Or 70? Thanks.
Without the front axle relocation kit or trimming your wheel well, you would need to go with 265/65R17
So what is the biggest tire that I can put as an all season tire??
Either a 30.5” x 10.4” or a 31.1” x 10.0”. What size diameter wheel do you have? If you running the stock 20 inch wheel, you can get either 265/50R10 or 255/55R20. If you’re not using it already, the tire size calculator is an excellent tool. Link below:
tiresize.com/calculator/
Whats the max size tires I can put on my stock 2013 ex pilot without rubbing or cutting? If anything can 2 inch spacer help?
I’m not totally sure to be honest, but some people have mentioned you can run 265/65R18 on the 2nd Gen pilot
How does the lift and bigger tires affect the Ridgelines ride on the highway and what's the damage on MPG?
The lift kit will affect MPGs, but it won’t be noticeable. Maybe a 0.1 mpg loss. Tires will adversely affect MPGs. The wider you go, the more friction there will be, ALSO tire width means more tire “tread” and tread is heavy. Tire weight really affects stop and go city MPGs. The less gears in your ride, the worse it’s going to be. So if you have a 2017-2019 Ridgeline, it’ll be worse than if you had a 2020+ Ridgeline. Tire type is also a big factor. I think I talk about it in this video, I made this a little while ago. I personally drive a Passport with the ZF9 speed. At the time of filming this video I was able to get 23 MPG highway cruising at 70Mph
@@JonDZ_Adventuring 23 is actually not as bad as I thought it was going to be. I only asked about the lift because I know it can affect the ride a little. Had 2" body lift on my Silverado and I could fill that the steering felt a little more "Floaty" especially on roads with sharper turns.
@@JS-qi1ou I lifted my Passport even further with a 3.5” lift kit. Between a unibody crossover (based on a car chassis) and a body and frame truck, my lifted Passport with the rear sway bar disconnected handles somewhere in the middle. I use to drive a toyota FJ cruiser and a Subaru Forester.
Is there a way to keep the speedometer / odometer accurate when putting on a larger tire?
I own a 2020 Honda Passport Elite
Im looking for a more rugged & thicker tire set up.. Im fine with 17 or 18in wheels.
Id like 265/60R18
Not sure if I want A/T or All Season
I have 22s rims and low profile tires on my Ridgeline and I aslo dropped 2 inches the back and front without these issues you mentioning guess we all have different ideas about our Ridgeline
If you’re running stock diameter tires, you probably won’t be rubbing. Tire type matters to!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring no my rimsand tire are 295/30/22
@@Mansour-O-Killuminati oem tire is 29.6” x 10.4” , your tires are 29.0” x 11.6”. My tires are 32.1” x 10.0”. Thanks for the info, you’re tires are shorter and wider and good to know they don’t rub.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring got it thanks for the info.. I was thinking to get some bigger tire for next winter good know the maximum amount that I can go. Cheers
What brand/ratio do you recommend for 17" wheel?
Daniel Ku without modification you can run a 265/65R17 tire. That’s 30.6”. There may be slight rubbing, but only at full lock... which just like @remisc mentioned, only happens when you make a U-turn. The rubbing really won’t be severe either. As far as tire brands, there are soooooo many options. What kind of driving will you be doing?
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks
Do you know why does the pilot has a lower ground clearance if all 3 are the same? According to the Honda website the pilot has only 7.3 inch of ground clearance. The ridgeline and the passport both have 8-in ground clearance.
Daniel Ku the wheel well clearance is the same/similar, but actually there are differences between the 3 suspension size. The Ridgeline has 50-70% more robust suspension parts, the AWD Passport has taller suspension parts and have 8.1 inches of minimum ground clearance. The FWD Passports and Pilot’s have 7.3 inches.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I am looking at all-terrain tires. Cannot decide between Bridgestone Duler A/T Revo 3 or Continental Terrain Contact AT. I own a 2017 Honda Ridgeline AWD and 2020 Honda Pilot AWD.
¿What about negative offset rims?
Mine are offset 38mm (-17). Spacing should help.
Jon, what are your thoughts about using 30mm offset (-25) x 9' wide wheels
Would definitely help! I’d love to have an offset of 20mm, that would be perfect for me. Since you plan on going with a wide tire, you should try to get them as low as you could go.
Can the passport take 16-18” wheels?
Not 16”. Certain 17” wheels will fit, and all 18” will fit.
Do you think this will apply to the 2014 to 2020 Acura MDX also?
Hybrids Vader good question, I think it will!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring 😆
what kind of wheel spacers are good for the 2016 honda pilot?
I’m not sure. I’m not a fan of wheel spacers. I rather just buy offset wheels. Oem is 55mm, a common aftermarket wheel will be 35mm (0.8 inch spaced). I now run 10mm wheels (1.77 inch spaced). If you’re just driving on the street, you should be fine with wheel spacers, but I don’t recommend it for adventure travel off pavement. Wash boards can rattle the bolts loose.
How do you adjust the speedo/odo?
I bought a used 07 honda pilot, what the A.T. tire size without a kit.? Thanks
Sorry Jesus, I’m not familiar with that generation Pilot, but I’m sure there’s a lot of resources out there. Aaron with the HondaPilotOverland TH-cam channel probably knows.
Wondering if you or anyone in community know if it is ok to run 255 width tires on stock 2017 ridgeline rims normally a 245. It really opens up options for taller tires at that width. I have rtl t awd if it matters. Looked on the forum couldn’t get a definitive answer imo
@@ianberry5562 stock tires are 245 or 265 for premium trims. Some people run 285 with spacers ( I wouldn’t recommend it)
@@JonDZ_Adventuring thanks! Thinking about the 2in traxda lift with the drive shaft relocator but it’s apparently impossible to finds tires at the oem width with a fatter sidewall. It’s really tempting but without any public off roading trails within 2 hours from me it’s been hard to justify
@@ianberry5562 the rest of this video will apply to you. Basically, you can fit 265/60R18 with slight rub at full lock that’s a 31” x 10.5” class tire.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring clarifying, your advice is with or without the lift and relocator? and 1 more question sorry, does the rub come from the height or width of the sidewall. I feel like it’s hard to parse the information online when people talk about multiple scenarios with differing levels of modification back and forth. I did watch the video and it was definitely helpful
@@ianberry5562 stock. You’ll actually rub more with a 2” lift. I think that’s in the video, not totally sure. The 2” lift lines up the widest part of the tires with the pinch weld.
A 3.5” lift is where things really start changing. Everything is better with the 3.5” lift, suspension geometry 📐 actually improves, axles straighten. I now run 265/70R18 which is a 33” x 10.5” class tire. 10mm offset black rhino chase wheels, a 4.75” lift, dual coil springs (linear/progressive) on each strut/shock.
What about speed rating For that falken tire?
What about 245/75r17?
Hello, from any videos I’ve watched it doesn’t seem to tuck the tire in the fender well at full compression. Is that correct? I’m guessing suspension bottoms out before that point.
That is correct, Independent suspension isn’t as flexible
@@JonDZ_Adventuring
Ok. Thank you, I seen you are running a +10 offset on your wheels. Would you say that is the sweet spot for the tallest tire turning lock to lock or would a little higher positive offset be better?
@@krish9538 the stock 55mm offset would work best. Or you can run whatever offset you want with the Traxda USA axle relocation kit. I personally shaved off my pinch weld.
What tire do you recommend for 30.5 on ridgeline?
Ryan Luu something popular. Tires are popular for a reason. DON’T get Nitto RidgeGrapplers!!!! I have no idea why Honda people are getting them. My friend has one and they “lose chunks” on the trail. Go with the popular choices:
Serious trail A/T: Fallen Wildpeak AT34S, Toyo Open Country AT3, Genera Grabber AT3
Light Trail: Yokohama G015, Cooper Discovery AT3 4S, Falken Wildpeak AT Trail
Ryan Luu BFG KO2’s are a popular choice too, but they’re super heavy. Something to consider.
Impressive off roading
What do you mean a 20 inch will get wrecked versus an 18. You are trying to go taker and you suggest going smaller?
Charles Goehring more wheel and less rubber. True story, on the night I drove my Passport home I scraped my wheel on a curb at the dealership, it was quite embarrassing. This would have never happened with a recessed wheel and an all-terrain tire with more sidewall.
The sidewall with a 20 inch wheel and oem tire size is 4.8 inches. If you go with an 18 inch wheel and plus size to a 30.5 inch tire you would have 6.3 inches. I have made modifications to my wheel well to allow for 32.1” tires, I have 7.0 inches of sidewall.
Jon do you think a 265/50/20 will fit without rubbing? Looking at the falken at trail? Falken website says it’s 30.6 tall tire calculators say it 30.4?
Yes, sorry for the late reply! Those will fit with slight rubbing at 90% lock.
Not that I have anything against Honda, but why buy and ruin perfectly good mall crawler on the trails? I think decently equipped Wrangler runs about same $$. Just curious.
Gee Eee that’s a fair question. I actually regret not checking out a Jeep Wrangler JL. The reason I never even considered it was because of it’s perceived as an unreliable vehicle. The reason I purchased a Honda is because, for many, they’re #2 in reliability/dependability, right behind Toyota (however, not all models, and that’ll be a whole other story). Actually watch this video to get the history.
th-cam.com/video/Hlg41C-W9r4/w-d-xo.html
I basically use to drive a FJ cruiser, then a WRX, then a Forester XT and owning all those vehicles influenced the purchase of my Passport. I did not like driving the FJ, and the Subaru’s were just too unreliable. I wanted a compromise between the FJ cruiser and my WRX. This vehicle is my Daily Driver, I’m an overlander, not an off-roader.
However, I’ve commented many times, I’m impressed with the JL Wrangler. It’s the only vehicle I’d trade my passport in for. I would not take a JK, 4runner, over this. I might take a GX460... but that’s a solid maybe.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I get it. That's the perception. I never owned Wrangler so I can't say anything about it's reliability. But I owned Grand Cherokee. It was OK. I also own many trucks that I "modified". And I can assure you, it doesn't add reliability either :)
Probably because Jon wants to spend more time off road than at a Jeep Dealer waiting for repairs...!
@@stevendphoto So when was the last time you visited Honda dealer and shop was empty?
@@geeeee8268 If that is your logic when purchasing a vehicle - more power to you (Hint: Did you ask who was there for an oil change?)
Here Jeep Wrangler is rated 13 out of 16 SUVs (kinda low, right?):
cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/jeep/wrangler/reliability
OR maybe you have heard of JD Powers:
LINK: yourjeepguide.com/wrangler-reliability/
"According to the J.D. Power Dependability Study, the 2018 Jeep Wrangler has a reliability score of 2.5 out of 5." (kinda low, right?)
Or perhaps you failed to see the Jeep Recall of 91,000 vehicles due to ROLLOVER, from just a few days ago: LINK: www.freep.com/story/money/cars/chrysler/2020/06/18/jeep-cherokee-recall-rollaway-risk-power-loss/3213048001/ (kinda bad, right?)
I found all these PROBLEMS in the time it took you to write your snappy retort. Now, if you love your Jeep and want to buy a new one, I'll sleep just fine at night! Just don't try to justify YOUR bad decision, with FAKE FACTS!
Any issues with the tire light staying on with the bigger tires?
No. That would depend on the tpms sensor. The PSI rating on the door jam is 37 psi. Because of the extra weight I carry, I air up to 40 psi. I’ve been as high as 44 psi with no light. around 33 psi is when I get a low pressure warning.
may i ask you what is your wheels size and offset?
Wheels are 18”x 8” with a 38mm offset (55mm is stock).
@@JonDZ_Adventuring is that positive or negative offset?