The rumors are intensifying..
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- OK Guys, it's that time of the off-season again where the rumors really begin to intensify.. and today we are going to talk about the latest rumors on Winnipeg Jets 2022 first round pick Rutger McGroarty.. Who has supposedly requested a trade from the organization.. Should the Habs pursue Rutger via trade? Or are there too many red flags.. Let me know your thoughts in the comment section.
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You look at Xhekaj -- when he got sent to Laval he didn't whine, he worked his game and earned his spot on the Habs bench.
That's the culture that Hughes is trying to build in Montreal and this McGroarty guy doesn't sound like he fits the mold.
Lets be honest. Everyone loves Xhekaj, but he was never in any position to demand anything. He was overlooked by most teams and never drafted. He's always had to work harder and grind more to be where he is. I'm pretty sure he's (hopefully) appreciative of the fact Montreal gave him opportunities thus far.
leave him for others. No need for head cases in Montreal
That’s pretty ironic lol. People from montreal are head cases in general. I’m assuming u mean no head cases on the team
I dont want a guy that complains about the team he’s on
I mean it’s Winnipeg I’d bitch to 😂
Same here
Ever been to Winnipeg
Excellent point @@jarredpolege3484
Winter peg.... friend of mine, who worked there, says if your ever on a plane, that lands there..... STAY ON THE PLANE. However, kid sounds like he's spoiled n not willing to work to get ahead. How much is he making???? We have enough kids and don't need poor attitudes. Keep Harris... I like him.... build a winning not whining culture.
Hell no, let him go play in the States like he clearly wants to. Too much drama surrounding him.
@ScottStenlund hes a defensive liability, so I'm okay with that. We just drafted Demidov, who's possibly gonna be better anyways.
@ScottStenlund Yakupov was also too cocky and went to an organization that was God awful at prospect development. Thanks for telling me to pump the breaks and yes he's gonna need a while but St.Louis is gonna push him when he makes the Habs because he knows to give ice time to the young players (you could also make the argument on if he has a choice or not).
@ScottStenlund When was Yakupov good "over there"?
@ScottStenlund He played in Sarnia lol.
@ScottStenlund Yes I'm sure lol. It was the lockout year. He went over for a couple of games before the season started. He was drafted after two years in Sarnia. His time in Russia prior to that when he was younger wasn't very good.
F-that giving up too much for an American princess
I believe if they do pass they'd have asked Lane to check if he's a good locker room guy. At least that's what I'd do as a gm
look I'm not saying he's a lindros. Lindros was a phenomenal player. tell me who came close of what he did?. if it wasn't for his concussion and being a glass canon he wouldve been in the hockey temple as one of the greats. the guy could've been a easy 50 goals per season for a long time. so yeah, you trade for him. as for ruther, I don't mind mesar calgary 2025 first and Harris. Mesar was a bad descision from day one kulich was the guy to pick. 2025 calgary it was free and after the top 10 the talent goes down drastically and harris that we don't need anymore. so basically mesar for McGroarty. as a habs I dont mind.
What’s with so many American players demanding trades without playing a single game yet?
Us Americans are a cocky breed sometimes, but Rutger probably is enjoying the college life and would rather play in a city that's not Winnipeg would be my guess
Entitlement
Definitely entitlement
Because they can and it seems to work in their favor more often than not. You can call it entitlement, but at the end of the day the draft is not a slave market. Teams should treat their young prospects with enough care and respect to be able to handle such things in-house. When a prospect needs to force the team's hand in this way, it's not optimal for either party.
Because they're mathematically challenged it takes them a bit to realize $5 mil Canadian in only about 1.75 US ;)
Well, I’ve been watching hockey for close to seven decades and there’s one thing that my opinion has never wavered about : I don’t want a player who feels he’s bigger than the team he’s on , on my team. Guys like this one, Dubois, Laine, Zegras, etc. The high possibility of them becoming a cancer in the dressing room is too high. As the old saying goes, there is no “I” in “Team”. Guys like Béliveau, Crosby, Lemieux, Orr, Howe, understood/ understand this.
Gordie Howe who is arguably the greatest player to ever play, (Orr and Gretzky point at Howe, while Howe pointed at Orr) he spent a season with the Omaha Knights of the USHL, and didn't complain at all. Heck Jean Béliveau spent an extra year in the QHL just to say thank you to the Quebec Fans. Terry Sawchuk, one of the greatest goalie ever to play the game, spent 4 years in the Minors before finally making it, Glenn Hall spent 5 behind Sawchuk. When this kid is demanding to make it, he's already said he's got too much of an ego and needs to be humbled in the minor leagues for a couple years. The kid may be talented, but a Howe, an Orr, a Béliveau, he is not.
So you agree with the Patrick Roy trade?
@@robertrouthier2603 Patrick Roy had established himself with years of NHL play by that time. This kid hasn't proven a damn thing.
Dont need that kind of pretentiousness in the dressing room. Got a young core, don't need to add someone who is only going to point fingers and make things ugly.
As a Jets fan this makes me sad. To my understanding Rutger thinks that since some of his college buddies are already in the NHL in a top 6 role and getting powerplay time, he deserves the same.
He forgets those guys were drafted to teams like arizona, columbus and anaheim. There were spots available.
Winnipeg finnished top 5 in the league last year over the regular season, most of the roles he is looking for were filled. There is room now so odd choice to skip summer camp.
Anyways that attitude gets you nowhere in Manitoba. Scheif went back to Barrie, twice.
Kyle fucking Conner spent a season and a half on the Moose before a injury to scheifele allowed him to be called up.
Hellebyuck spent time on the Moose. Perfetti, Roslovich, Lowry, Samburg, Morrissey.. Everybody starts there, is he better than those guys?
Thats not to mention Chibrikov, Lambert, Heinola, Salomosson, Barlow.. he somehow thinks he gets to skip the line?
(Only 2 guys i can think of who did, Ehlers because the thrashers were a bad team and Laine because he has a top 5, id argue top 3 shot in the league.)
Confidence is good, wanting what you want is fine but you still have to get in line and pay your dues like everyone else. Life is slow out here, we are patient and we promote based on merit. Im sad this kid is in such a damn hurry, he is going to be good player on somebodys middle 6. Just wont be here.
Seems like the comments are almost universally against this, I'm all over it.
McGroarty could be the Tkachuk we'll never have.
Some seem quick to forget this "headcase" was also captain of Team USA at the U20.
couldn’t agree more. it’s not about him whining rather him knowing he’s good enough and WPG absolute BS prospect management (eg Cole Perfetti)
I’m in also! I agree with you!
@@andyvu1325 How can anyone know if he is good enough when he has never played a professional game in his life? Never sniffed an NHL game nor even a professional minor league game. No team in their right mind is going to guarantee this little shit NHL ice without proving he can play at this level. WPG has done the right thing and told the little princess to shove it as have other teams trying to trade for him it seems.
@@SherLock55 look at Hutson.. we clearly didn’t tell him “we’ll see about it"
we guaranteed him games after his NCAA season. Chevy would've benched him to "practice" then started him in the AHL the following season
@@andyvu1325 Did the Habs actually guarantee him games though? Did they say before he signed he would get NHL ice time?
Yeah didn't think so.
T.o, we found your man. Fit right in
I like this kid and the rumoured trade seems more than fair. I wouldn't be heartbroken if a trade doesn't come though though
signs like a whinner.. do not need him....locker room cancer....what they want is just plain stupid....Hughes needs to just walk away....
Send him to Edmonton. They destroy prospects like no other.
@ScottStenlund still nobody giving a 1st round pick for someone with his attitude problems
@ScottStenlund we do not need players like PLD as he can not fit in properly
Too many red flags. Doesn't want to work to get into the NHL. Don't need a guy that's a PLD 2.0 keep our you Dmen and Mesar, this guy isn't worth it.
What “they” want is just plain stupid? Do u reallt think the habs mesar offer was enough? 😂😂😂. Agree with all the other stuff but the jets asking price not fitting the habs usual insulting offers doesn’t mean it’s stupid buddy😂
He better not wipe back to front …
He does
Why not?
I do. If you’re not a savage about it you don’t make a mess everywhere
I go both directions for optimal results.
@@djjazzyj1959 not a bad idea
Sounds like locker room poison.
the fact that he is demanding time in the nhl is insane.. there are no guarantees kid, u gotta be good to play..
He's more than good, try following the kid
@@adamCarter20 then he doesnt need any quarantees.
Thanks but no thanks on this guy . It’s not like the jets are a dumpster fire of a team and he’s refusing to go .
would you want to go to Winnipeg?
@@videogamenoob100 no but he should have made that clear from the start when he was drafted.
@@videogamenoob100 The city itself doesn't see to be his problem. He wants to turn pro but only if it means he gets an offensive role in the NHL right away... Earn your chops, kid.
If this kid wants too he can play his years in college hockey then he can call his own shot of where he wants to go . I have no problem with that but demanding nhl playing time or else is a bit ass backwards.
@@videogamenoob100Shouldn't matter the city you should be happy to have the opportunity to play in the NHL
Classic case of Entitlement
McGroarty forgot that he was drafted 14th overall, mistakenly believing he was drafted in the top three.
Last time we dealt for a youngster with an attitude, it cost us Sergachev and led us to years of frustration. Don’t do that trade please.
And that guy was also greatly overrated.
This should NEVER go beyond the rumor stage. If what is said about not wanting to play one single minute or game in the AHL is true, this has prima Donna written all over this guy. He needs a major lesson in humility. Until he let's a bit of that sink in , humility that is the Habs shouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole and then some .
Apparently trade talks broke off because Rut’s camp came across too demanding and arrogant to the other interested team.
Jets are gonna ask crazy price, bury him in the system until he says uncle. Chevy doesn’t fold for Kane, Trouba, Laine or any baby making demands. Love it or hate it, that’s the move in play right now I think.
Problem with your theory is ncaa players become unrestricted after 3 years so he only has to go back to Michigan for one more year.
Problem with your theory is he would be expected to absolutely dominate college in order to validate his top 6 demands. If his play dips at all, there will be doubt.
As much as I don't like the attitude im thinking about the Adam Fox comparisons. Fox became a fantastic player almost instantly, no one complains about the attitude now obviously. I dont know if id trade for him but i think its worth considering
Players ask for trades all the time. Only recently drafted players get shitted on asking for a trade.
@@hELLOGUY-gy5hgyou mean guys who haven’t played one second in the NHL demanding trades? Ya, they should be getting shit on
This reminds me of the PLC situation (that funny enough happened in Winnipeg too)
You mean PLD I assume.. Pierre Luc Dubois
Huge overpayment on this rumor. Why not just pick a guy like McGroarty with that CGY pick and keep Mesar and Barron? Additionally, there is a (although slim) chance that pick (that we got for TAKING Monahan, lol, love Hughes) becomes a 2025 CGY 3rd AND an unprotected 2026 CGY pick. No way Hughes adds 2 recent former 1st rounders (Mesar and Barron) on top of that.
Your going to get a guy like him at Floridas pick?
@@Zi9ggy Tell me. How does a ceiling 2nd liner suddenly become some huge prize? He's not Leonard ffs. So, my answer is, yes. What exactly has McGroarty proven? He was beat out ppg at this year's WJC, by guess who? Mesar. Not that the WJC is the end all to be all metric, but it's the only good current one we have to assess him by relatively speaking. On top of that, it's sounding like he is a tad entitled.
Except that you forgot one important thing: both Barron and Mesar are late 1st rounders and so far they are both underperforming for 1st Rd picks. They are still young so that could change but the clock is ticking on these guys.
@@albertvanular433 I didn't forget anything. A 20 yo euro and 22 yo RD. Barron has and is playing in the NHL. What exactly has McGroarty done to merit all these assets? Seems like he's an elite whiner, but what else?
If I may, we need a power forward and he fits that mold. I like and Anderson and Armia but..... yeah. He also captained Team USA to gold at the U20. He's not a total douche.
There is a jam for good minutes on D even in Laval, and surely we can agree that Hughes seems quite ok making hockey trades with those assets if it gets him another top6 forward whose close to the age window of the core group in place. Mesar wants out too, he's also bait.
American....not surprising, lots of red flags here.
no to any drama !! NO!!
He better learn humility
this comment is straight from Mr. Deeds.
"This talented little shit" 🤣🤣🤣
Using the "Paint Yourself In The Corner" move is pretty bold, from McG, I'll concede.
What a way to start a career
I call this the "Lindros maneuver"
@@jaypeeztabernac851 I get what you mean, but in Lindros' case, Aubut was doing shady business, and he tried to seduce Lindros' mom. The Lindros Family wanted nothing to do with Aubut. Otherwise, he would have played for Québec.
Lindros even married a french woman from Québec.
He’ll end up in a small market on a rebuilding team where he’ll play average hockey.
soooo... Sabre?
Those immature players who never played in the NHL are a bunch of problems.
HELL NO to much drama
Not the first time a draft pick does not want to go the team he was drafted. If these guys are refusing to go unless they play right away just send them to the minors and see how long it is before they quit hockey. They should be happy they even got drafted.
I would believe Kent will avoid the drama, there will be better choices and less potential drama
In any sport, if you want more playing time, then play your future contract best with the time you get!
He's not worth any more than we already offered since the whole situation screams immaturity. I'll pass.
Its happening more and more these days. I remember back in the early 2000's, 90's and 80's, you barely even heard of this. Everyone was hsppy to be drafted. I imagine Lindros changed it the most.
Why would Mtl want a princess? Seriously, why?
Just have him home before midnight!
If Habs management passed on Michkov because of a red flag, I trust they will do the same with McGroarty. Doesn't even have the same potential as Michkov AND has a bad attitude? Hard pass
Once a complainer always a complainer, forget about him, not worth the headaches. And besides that is like inviting a virus into the locker room!!! We have lots of prospects to deal with first, so lets get them going before we look elsewhere. GO HABS GO!!!!!!!
Would love
to see this kid on the Habs
Jets fan here. I get why both parties are upset. Rutgers young, confident, in an organization that has history with developing and keeping their young prospects. However this years gets team was struggling at the time he wanted a call up. They needed NHL experience because Schief was injured and Monohan wasn’t on our team yet. This team needed to get going on that stanley cup run. Maybe rutger could’ve changed that but how are you gonna take a gamble on him in that playoffs? It’s a tricky situation but look at the Jets now. We need a 2C and it sounds like we’re favouring our young guys this year. Rutger should’ve kept his mouth shut because we lost Monahan and now we need him. But he’s being stubborn because he said what he said and he’s not taking it back. He’s too prideful. Or maybe his agents just greedy😂
He would be an upgrade to our team but since when does the player call the shots. Oh he’s coming over as Player/Coach. Just go out and take a gamble on Laine way more upside if it works.
I seen a post (not sure on the truth behind it) but the post went on to say he’ll only agree to sign with a club if they’ll send him to AHL, so it’s either NHL or no deal to be made
Too cool to start out on the farm team and get worked into the big club? Sounds like an arrogant little shit to me. Despite Winnipeg being excited about this kids talent level, they don’t need another PLD type infection in their club. They were lucky to flip that attitudinally challenged primary donna for several good players that actually bought in. They shouldn’t assume they can do that again if they take this one on. Too high and mighty to start out on the farm team? I say trade him while he still has perceived value. Maturity, attitude and teamwork are more important attributes than star power.
When i first watched this video about a month ago i was like, dang some team is getting a stud. Heading to work and i see Yager got traded and was like wtf?! Then saw it was for McGroarty and was like we got a spot next to Crosby to teach ya the game, welcome to pittsburgh
I really wouldn't mind. It's an interesting gamble to make for sure.
What yall dont realize is McGroarty has a potential of hitting top 6. Mesar at least a Top 9 Potential and Barron who is a solid 3rd pairing Dmen. And that Pick who knows. But thats a Win if Montreal Gets him. The kid is a stud.
Trade 3 first round picks for 1 first round pick that's a win for the jets
Hard pass on a guy who can't understand you have to pay your dues and earn it.
Good to see that Elliott combed his mop for that picture.
He must have the Cutter Gauthier/Eric Lindros clause in his ELC contract.
"let me know, if YOU would" NNNO!!!!!
NO WAY, JUNKIE!
McGroaner can sawkket. 💯
One NHL team will eventually submit to McGroarty's contract demands IMO.
The question is, is it worth the risk and the potential price?
As for the HABS management, I can't see them overpaying for a player who is already displaying some character flaws. There's a fine line between confidence and arrogance.
I do think the kid can help us, it's weird no Habs fans want this kid because of the drama, but the same fans would LOVE to see someone like laine come here! If it's up to me, and i had to pick one of them, id definitely go with McGroarty.
Habs don’t need a prima Donna messing up their mojo
I hate these speculation rumours…just to get people going? Please ignore them.
Love this guy 😂
To be honest, we don’t really know what was said, really and what’s going on. So in saying that I’d take the chance on him and the way we have been managing players with issues that we already have I our system. And we are offering Flip Mesar, because he is unhappy as well, he was mad that he got cut from the rocket and sent back to the OHL, and he was blaming his teammates for not being up to his speed and play, he was only the 4 best player in that team so he can’t talk like that, and apparently it has rubbed Kent and upper management the wrong way! So Mesar is gone in a deal with either Harris or Baron.
So he gives the team who drafted him headaches and silly demands.....and The Jets thinks he has somehow drastically increased his value? I hope HuGo arent this dumb.....
@@Mark-gj9po
Tell that to the undrafted players 😂
HuGo have already proved how smart they are many times over. The Monahan trade was brilliant and so was the Petry for Matheson deal. There are several examples of other trades or draft picks they have done to prove their worth. Itrust them completely and so should you. If they decide this guy is worth the effort, then that's good enough for me.
Everyone is running as if an unconfirmed article out of Slovakia is true.
IF he is a headcase, i believe HuGo wull know it.
If he places sn offer, i believe he was scouted properly.
As for this rumor, I would do this trade in a second IF HuGo is in board with Rutger.
I wish someone would make a topic on players that were unhappy with their team and ask for a move to become a top player in the team he joined?
Man, this trend of American kids being drafted by Canadian teams and then wanting out is getting out of hand. If I’m a GM of any Canadian team..I’d be very weary of drafting these guys. At least the Flames got a few good yrs with Gaudreau and Chucky.. Adam Fox still gets booed us he pulled the same stunt. And who even says Rutger would play in MTL?? He might no want to go there too. When the Isles finally picked Eiseman..I was happy because I thought the habs traded up to get him. I’d take an excited Hage over a sooky American kid any day. And there’s no way Mesar is sweetening the deal either.
I think this guy IS an immediate NHLer! What is he worth: a #1 and a good prospect!
That wont happen. Once a guy demands a trade the offers come in low. You have the problem, the other teams arent there to help you. Winnipeg will ask too much and the other teams will come in low.
2 first round pick 2025 , josh anderson , david savard for Leon Draistal. only trade i want
no leon can stay unless he wants out but he prob ask too much around 8-10 mil per year
I’m still not entirely sure on this guy
This would be insane!!!
We are 1 of the 3. I dont think we will get it done but damn if he does. Hugo solidifying the top 6
The habs management and even fans media press etc etc have for years stated the Habs want "good people" or players that don't have attitudes whatever term you want to use Rutger is the type of player EVERYONE "except me"has stated we don't want.
From where I stand there are a few things ....management has to remain in charge of hteir players you don't hand out any contracts that go astray.Two you better know exactly where you plan on using said player otherwise it is just a blind trade.Three if your getting said player to use on your 3rd line fire yourself right now.If the plan is a top 6 don't we already have those contracts in place?Demidov is not here yet but I am 100% certain he will be a top 6 and so does everyone else think the same.
So long story short Rutger has not proven anything except he can score versus junior players.
This is why you have those entry level contracts to get a look see of your players at some point in the NHL.You can't just blindly go after unproven free agents like we already have been doing and just hope n a prayer that is low quality managmeent.
This is the kind of players Hughes get, like Dach and Newhook. Big potential but a bad fit with their team, so he get them at low price. With the correct surrounding, he might prove to be cooperative. But the Jets ask too much. Barron plus either Mesar or the pick, not both.
McGroarty is delusional! He comes with Lindros-level of demands yet no reason for this as he isn't even a fraction of the player Eric Lindros was. It is refreshing to see true Superstars like McDavid, Crosby even Bedard come into the league without any drama or expectations. Every so often divas like this McGroarty pissant do show up and act like they are above the team- but truly great players still set the standard on how to conduct themselves. McGroarty is the NHL's version of Allen Iverson and this is his version of the infamous "Practice" rant...but Iverson was at least proven and in the league.
My only wish was the NHL had a better system in place for rookies/draft picks to avoid stunts like this. It's a privilege to be drafted and in the league- this crap needs to stop.
Too steep of a price..pass.
No, no, no, no, no, no!
1:18 NO!! NOOOOO!!!
Red Flag the size of Walmart is waving fast and furious.
Ok, I definitely fold it like a Princess. 😂
i trust whatever decision hughes makes either way
I’ve never understood why a player would ever do this before making the pro league. Listen, gms keep tabs on players and this guy just blacklisyed himself on the attitude front. If he’s anything short of a top end top 6 he’s gonna have a lot more trouble finding work.
From what I've learned about him, he sounds like the kind of guy who would bring distension among the ranks and stir up trouble. This rumor sounds very fishy, too. Asking for Mesar, Harris, and a big draft pick for him is entirely too much. We don't need trouble when things are going well for the Habs.
Hi Junkie:
I don’t get what people are complaining about with Rutger. But they seem OK bringing in gameboy Laine no problem along with his $8.7 million cap hit. I have no problem bringing in Rutger for what this trade rumour is proposing. Get him and forget about that malcontent Laine. Do it.
No question whatsoever in 2 years him and Slaf are on the first line with Demidov
Hughes offer was more that generous, he’s giving me Ryan Poehling vibes
Hes a 100x better than Poehling
@@adamCarter20 🙄🙄
@@adamCarter20 Maybe but there have been plenty of guys who ripped it up in College only to bomb in the NHL. Time will tell.
@@steveleonard1467its true tho but his attidude im not sure if hes a perfect fit for montreal
Don’t we have confidence in our management and coaching staff??? This kid won’t be a problem in Montreal if the plan is to play him so he develops… in the end, that’s what the kid wants and the Jets aren’t giving him NHL time. Messar, Baron, Harris won’t be in MTL long term, so why not go ahead and package one or two with a first rounder for next years draft ???? Are we not trying to sleep up the rebuild? Yes yes yes…..a kid that plays on the US junior national team for a few sticks and a mid first round pick??? Do it !!!!
He said he doesn’t want anything to do with Canada 😮💨 why would anyone risk it
Habs and another team not sure who turned down a trade for him because of u realistic demands from this kids camp. That's the rumor here in wpg
ABSOLUTELY NOT!
If they're going to attempt to make a trade with the Jets Ehlers would be a much better fit.
Don't touch that with a ten foot pole.
Hughes seems to put alot into what type of person a player is. Knowing that I don't think he's the right fit
How about no. Mesar is personal buddy of Slaf and I think we want to think hard about keeping him happy and supported. Barron or Harris are both fringe if not better NHL defenceman now. Add in another first rounder. That’s two first round picks and an nhl defenceman for a former first round pick that’s done nothing to up his standing among his drafted peers. No thanks.
Quite a high price for a player the jets don't see as nhl ready...
Tbh I really don't like his attitude. The way he handled himselft at the end of the world juniors where he taunted the swedish fans before winning the whole thing. He really seems like the type of guy who is really arrogant and self centered. Not sure that's the type of guy I want in my team. And who's to say he won't demand a trade again when he's on our team
Hell no. Dont need another player with attitude.
Starting to feel that Shane Wright stare down on Hab fans. 😮😮😮 Right about now . I would pass . Keep our prospects with good attitude in stead of trading for a potential Sour Apple . 😊
Good pickup for the Leafs!
Mcgrority(SilverSpoon) in my opinion is a growing number of silver spoon athletes taking their hissy fits until they get what they want
NCAA players have far more leverage over their situation and what team they are drafted to. Teams only have their draft rights for up to four seasons. Who is to say that McGroarty would even want to play in Montreal?
Too much to give up for the mere chance to sign the player. If he does not sign, you threw away assets for nothing.
Where does shit like this come from are we even sure it’s true. He is good and we now know what won’t do the deal today but still would pursue but not signing a contract that spits in face of all our young prospects who are out working their asses off
dont want problems !!!!!! we got something good going on we dont need other teams prob;ems !!!!
I’m on the fence, would he be a great player for us? Yes he would. Is he a bratt? Yes he is. Do we need to give up valuable prospect pieces for a bratt? No