Starmer blew a chance to read the room when he spoke. Cooper made it even worse. It’s a two-tier country at many levels with state and society dangerously disconnected.
Make the Nolan Principles legally enforceable and extend perjury legislation to parliament - if you lie in the House of Commons you go to prison. On top of that, disciplinary matters should be handled by juries made up of members of the public and absolutely not MPs. That would help sort the wheat from the chaff.
I consider myself a centrist who holds the belief that mass immigation at the pace we have seen in the past few years is totally unsustainable. I find it incredibly frustrating when the media labels people like me 'Far Right'. This interview was refreshing to see from the Times as it suggests that people may be waking up to this problem and its many knock on effects.
Nobody is far right,it's just a lazy tag placed on you by predominantly left wing MSM.People think it's only the BBC who have left wing bias,I've got news for you 99% of the media are lefties.
By using the term 'far right' to describe average members of the public with average emotional intelligence, Starmer and members of the media are merely confirming that THEY are VERY far left. If we DID have a 'far right' movement in this country, Starmer's feet wouldn't touch the floor!
Not only lied but ignored the majority vote, the people's voice, time and time again. Sadly this is the result both Labour and Tories are guilty of failing its people for their own gratification.😢😢
But the people rioting ARE far right fascists... it does more damage legitimizing their racist views being whipped up by Tommy Robinson the hate preacher and Nigel Farage who's a fan of dog whistling.
Yeah, because this is how that conversation is has. Meanwhile, Tommy Ten Names and Farage’s gaslighting are a far right issue. We need to also acknowledge that and then make a sensible distinction between the two. This nonsense merely takes away from the real conversations that need to be had on mass movement of people and the Neo Liberal ideology of punishing the least well off while letting unearned profiteering go forward untaxed and unchallenged. All these things impact the quality of life and future prospects of the average citizen.
Because the establishment,lawmakers courts judges government are all in this conspiracy against the ordinary British public who they treat as a cash cow ,they represent only their own ideology and make laws to enable this to happen ,bliar and his fellow conspirators will ever face justice,
I think you missed how David Cameron offered the Brexit vote as a political football and backfired it. Farage proclaimed that you got your country back in 2016. So what more are you expecting exactly? Ethnic cleansing?
"Serially lied" for years - does that include the MSM like The Times, Sunday Times and Times Radio as well? No? Oh well let's blame the "faaaaaar right" again.
But it was the govt that handed out several times more work visas and student than their immigration targets EACH YEAR . It is the govt who should have realized how bad the housing crisis was and the cost of living crisis .They should have dealt with the boats and now it may be too late . Brexit was a warning and they ignored it .
The real context people need to be aware of is the rich get richer with uncontrolled migration. Assets go up in value due to the strain on housing and resources. Wages get held down by this process also, meaning businesses can pay less and shareholders make more money. Realise also that over 25% of all MPs are multiple home owners and landlords, so they litterally profit from this situation personally. Are they really in it for the British people?
Yep, this is also the fundamental problem with the Tories - their voters are mostly asset rich older native English people, who SAY they don't like immigration, but have themselves actually benefited from that asset price inflation and cheap labour, and would go crazy if actual action was taken.
@@jdg9999 It's not just Tory voters mate, you're missing the point completely if you think that is the case. Classic example of a virtue signalling lefty rich bloke is Gary Linekar, and you can add most the BBC glitteratti to that, and many others.
@@theoutsider6191 we do need the workers though - but we also need to invest in public services, and stop obsessing about making sure house prices keep going up, and build enough homes to be affordable instead!
@@markwelch3564 You do realise how the idea presented above works? It works by not oversupplying the housing market, and keeping the doors open, which is precisely what is going to happen. And of course, because we have had an open door so long now which has dramatically reduced our per capita GDP, there is not sufficient money to invest in public services to cover the sheer number of people we now have. Hence several local authorities are going bust across the UK.
'the far right' ha! i hate to break it to this gentleman but he's running the very serious risk of being labeled 'far right' himself for questioning uncontrolled, illegal immigration
When are you Times Radio going to read your comments and hear finally that there is no far right in the UK? What benefit does it make for you to lie that it's the far right? People are furious and you ignore that at your peril.
The Tories in the past always represented the rich business and land owners. These wealthy people always wanted cheap labour to maximise profits for the few. Cheap labour came in the form of immigrants to suppress local wages. The trick the Tories got away with for all these years was to pretend that they were an anti-immigration party and would do something about immigrants coming in that were overwhelming social services. In reality the Tories never lifted a finger to limit immigration. I think British citizens are slowly realizing what has been happening but it is far too late.
Agreed. They were always in denial about immigration, but pretended to address it by giving £700m to Rwanda, while paying £8m a day to their friends in Serco to house them.
True to some degree. What the Tories have also done instead of using cheap immigrant labour, is to suppress public sector wages so much (via austerity) that it has had a knock-on effect in the private sector, incentivising bad employers there to pay less as well. Once that happened, then in the public sector, managers could get away with paying and treating those workers even worse. The falling tide has thus lowered all boats until finally enough people have woken up to their poor pay and terms and conditions and other related issues that they voted the Tories out. Workers mean growth, and that's why the UK economy is today 18% smaller than it was in 2010 in real terms.
This is the sincere aspect of the conversation. One need not give way to rioters and looters to understand and express broader concerns on the topic, which are shared by many, many who also don’t agree with the thuggery that’s been on display.
The far right is always used This is wrong. It's normal people worried for their children. Feel like they haven't got a country. No more. No one supports violence and they shouldn't But your normal people have had enough. No one's listening to them Loveing, your country does not make you far, right
I have nothing but praise for Matthew Syed he speaks a truth that most of our politicians either fail to recognize or to their eternal shame are too cowardly or dishonest to address
And so has the fifth columnist Western Mainstream Media. Western Democracy = Guided Democracy. "Guided democracy, also called managed democracy, is a formally democratic government that functions as a de facto authoritarian government or, in some cases, as an autocratic government. Such hybrid regimes are legitimized by elections, but do not change the state's policies, motives, and goals"
The same party that campaigned on the promise to stop the boats, also wants to scrap net zero which would increase global warming which is one of the factors causing Africans to leave their homes in the first place
Have lost all trust in politicians, police the judiciary and the BBC. I didn't vote Conservative or Reform , never been on a march or demonstration, never been in trouble with the police. Sick of the never ending stream of immigrants , how dare they claim people like me are Far Right or racist. I did not vote Reform four weeks ago, but i will definitely be voting for them next time.
Thank you Matthew Syed (The Sunday Times) for speaking the truth. 21/2/2024 "The Independent Reviewer for the government's anti-terror programme, Sir William Shawcross, has stated that there was a reluctance to investigate Islamist threats due to fears of being labelled Islamophobic or racist. Instead, staff from the government's anti-terror programme were biased towards tackling far-right threats despite Islamist threats posing a greater risk."
I remember my father saying to me at very young age "Never trust or listen to a liar and always avoid them like the plague.. he went on to explain You know where you stand with a killer you know where you stand thief but you will never know where you stand with a liar. We should scrap parliament.
Pro Hamas protests work differently. They vandalise our war monuments to provoke a reaction. This has been happening for months and they get away with it because our police stand back. They chant from the river to the sea, Jihad and threaten Jews. They get away with it. That is what we mean by two tier policing in the UK.
I think a lack of sufficient policing at protests where people were openly anti semitic and breaking the law by supporting a proscribed terror organisation has led massively to this breakdown. See the 'two tier' policing comments.
It costs the taxpayer approximately £4,300 per asylum seeker per month. The average monthly pay for an NHS nurse is £2,782. A police officer with about 4 years in the system makes approximately £3000 per month. An illegal economic migrant is worth more in the government’s eyes than hard working Brits. Some have been milking the taxpayers for years. Labour should be abolished for treasonous decisions that have a negative impact on British citizens, and have had for years.
It is par for the course of *ANY* advanced economy to get immigrants (deserving so in particularly the West given that you are often the reason for people having to leave). *But that's not the issue.* It cost you more because your Tory government has refuse to allow any pre-established process for asylum and immigration function, just like they let every other part of your system crumble (which has all cost you more then it should). You threw out the numbers, but you never ask why is it that the government can give out billions for their donors and friends, yet has no money for NHS pay rise? It's not a migrant problem you have, it's a conservative problem of not wanting anything to function as it should. You think the previous government will somehow allow better pay if asylum seeker all disappear? *Of course not.* You lot are the treasonous people who kept electing liars like Tories and now even Reform, into Parliament. Caroljones say they receive very generous hospitality, what frame of reference or evidence to you even have of any being true? Because the media that has been spreading the same narrative tells you so? But feel free to burn your own country to the ground and go to jail over made up nonsense.
I couldn't get a penny during covid and worked 30 years. Damaged my credit history and only just paid off debt. Disgusting what they get. Then wonder why keep coming?
I heard that the labour party in 1824, only lasted ten months..? Be interesting if Kier Starma can break that record: he's already lost the indigenous nation: by classifying us all as far right! And racist to boot! He might as well include Gordon Brown's comment that we're all bigots. Oh; how the establishment hate us low order plebs! 🏴🇬🇧🏴☕😪
Just to point out that 335 of the 650 current MP's are first time MP's who have been in role for a few weeks so you can not lay this at their doors. Suggest looking at the people who were actually running the country for the last decade or so
@@dylanyoung1326 Carry on ignoring the riots from the Left or are they "Far Right" too? "Far Right" is NOT a synonym for "Violent"! And likewise just because a Protest turns Violent does not mean that Riot is led by the so-called "Far Right"! Violence is not the prerogative of one side of the Political aisle. - Also the number of arrests means nothing - Police could be arresting people from both sides, they could be arresting people who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time and got mixed up in the violence or decided to join in just because they're naturally violent people who saw an opportunity to take out their frustrations!
@@dylanyoung1326 to be characterised as far right they would have to support extreme nationalism, fascism, and reject liberal democracy in favour of authoritarianism Genuine question, what's your definition of far right? Center-right political ideologies generally include classical liberalism, conservative liberalism, and fiscal conservatism. These ideologies often support free-market capitalism, low taxes, small government, and traditional social values. Far-right political ideologies, on the other hand, are typically more extreme and often include ultranationalism, fascism, and authoritarianism. These ideologies often involve a strong emphasis on nationalism, traditional social values, and a rejection of liberal democracy and multiculturalism.
@@Ixaglet So rioters that have started because a black person committed a heinous crime based on false information that said he was an asylum seeker and Muslim doesn't tick the rejecting multiculturalism, nationalism or authoritarianism?
The Conservative government used immigration as a political football, but was always terrified of UKIP/Reform, because they were saying openly what the Conservatives were secretly thinking but were too spineless to say themselves.
1- It creates insecurity, which leads people to demand restrictions on their freedoms to keep them safe, so more power to the gvt 2- It creates unfair competition in the labor market for the lower and middle class, as per a report from the Bank of England detailing how they are getting f'd 3- Conflict is brewing, and countries want people ( meat ) 4- It divides the citizens along ethnic lines, which makes it easier for parties to leverage those characteristics to win elections 5- Because of said division, which is aided by the media, policies and politicians, people are unwilling to cooperate and uprooted, becoming drones unable to organize effective collective resistance. 6- I can go on about this for a while ....
Boosts gdp, supresses wages, increases housing market demand which makes the industry "grow". Basically we've decoupled "growth" and "use", so now an economy can "grow" while the vast majority within it get less and have to share it with more. There's also an imperialist angle to consider, draining working age and ambitious people from countries on the imperial periphary helps maintain imperial core economic dominance without the use of force. Plus there are international law obligations surrounding refugees, asylum seekers, etc. which are both maintained for our oen future potential benefit, and because withdrawing from them would cause major geopolitical fallout (especially since we were instrumental in making everyone agree to them). Essentially, like most political stuff, there's loads of overlapping and shifting drivers that unless you wanna require they spend half your time reading economics, history, and politics textbooks are gonna be too complicated to sum up easily for public consumption. I do do all those, and I'm still scrapingvtge surface of understanding it all.
I think a lot of normally rational people are just worn out by constant, and seemingly endless poverty, worsening housing and council services, degraded access to the NHS etc. etc.. For many people, life is becoming more of a daily struggle - there's simply too much stress and a sense of hopelessness, and just not enough "everyday" pleasure in our existence to offset it. Let's face it, there didn't appear to be many comfortably off, middleclass people rioting. As we saw in Germany in the 1930s, if the Government is unable or unwilling to respond to the despair many people are feeling, it's a simple matter to deflect blame towards the most obvious targets in society. The less well off need to feel their struggles are being addressed, and quickly - or this unrest is going to continue.
If only there was a system in place for changing the government from the one that caused all of these problems. Some kind of vote on the national level where you could replace the lets call them Tories with some alternative that with a bit of time might be able to fix some of these issues. What a world that would be.
Well, yes. This labour government has undertaken to end ideological Tory austerity - the cause of everything you described. Not one bit of the problem justifies violent, racist crime.
The British will tolerate a lot of hardship if it is done FAIRLY. When people see their hard earned income - income they can ill afford- - going to house illegal migrants, year after year, after year, all it takes is one incident for the whole thing to erupt in violence. That is bound to be the case, Brexit was a demand to limit immigration, but they did the opposite. The current first past the post system has disenfranchised 4.1 million voters. Voters who should have got nearly 100 MPs, instead have only 5 to represent their views in Parliament. We currently have a dictatorship and when peoples views are not listened to it's bound to turn violent. In 2012 the total number of r*** offences was 16,038 ten years later it was 69,905 a four fold increase. (Source: Crime Survey for England and Wales). That coincides with the dramatic increase in immigration. In 2010 net migration was 256,000; by 2022 net migration was 745,000. For most of the 80s and 90s immigration and emigration was balanced with about 250K immigrating and 250K emigrating. Immigration now stands at 1,218,000 for 2023 according to the ONS.
Brexit ended free movement of EU workers in the UK and that has created the need for the large increase in immigration to fill those jobs that were being done by non-permanent workers. Did you not listen when people tried to explain to you that Brexit would cause problem like this? Or did you listen to Farage when he lied, and lied and lied and lied and lied? It does seem this is very much a problem of your own making.
Oh wow that'seems' way out there, Appreciate sharing your comment. Alot sustain. Look after your Own in All Best ways. Kindness comes in in at heart first for your own beloved country and respect where is it respectable.. ❤..
Wow, some actual honesty from a traditional news outlet. About time, maybe the tide is turning after the most disasterous and inept start to any new government in British history. Will the press actually start to hold governments to account and promote community again?
There is a firm that was buying and renovating old property in Middlesbrough for years and they got quite a large portfolio so you would expect that homeless, deserving, UK folk would be housed but No, they brought Coaches full of economic migrants and Illegals to fill these houses, the folk in Middlesbrough do Not like this, not one little bit !!
Carers from all over the world allowed into UK with their families...one carer bringing 15 dependants ha ha. Nigerians and zimbabweans and Indians bringing millions between 2020 and now ...to be honest the real population of UK must be 100 million.
I knew this 15 yrs ago, now our journalists are just realizing ?I don't believe you are just realising, I believe you are just now becoming concerned about the rising anger.
I get a commuter train (Northern Rail) from Newcastle to Hartlepool (it stops at Sunderland) within a year the train capacity has gone from 10% local population to 100% with 90% African Immigrants, this is including the standing spaces. 100% the government has been (and still is) lying. I presume lefties don't get the commuter train in the North East.
I'm from foreign & Muslim orgin myself however i understand the anger. Asylum seekers take low skilled jobs from low skilled English citizens, and they contribute to lowering woking conditions, including wages, by accepting any working conditions.That is the real problem, or that is what they think is the real problem, and the crime rate may be higher among people from foreign origins as well. So until the government does something to solve these issues, part of the population would continue to feel upset about it. I don’t like far-right, I don’t like their hatred but stereotyping all the upset people that they are only far-right will not help.
I think its less that and more where those people are put. On the government website they are told that asylum seekers are unlikely to be placed in London or the South East. aka the rich bits. They are dumped in poor, de industrialised Northern and Midlands towns or cities and having done that for decades there are now autonomous Asian enclaves in those areas. The white working class are raging because its been put on their doorstep and not in rich, leafy Buckinghamshire. Its the journalists and politicians of the south telling them they are awful. They are seeing their towns and cities where they may have lived generations demographically changed to the point they don't feel they belong anymore.
New labour Tony Blair started this mess and this is his legacy, conservatives then continued to run the country in to the ground, i voted for both these parties, because of our terrible two party political system.
Matthew Syed reasonably suggests that in not talking about the problems of immigration rationally and in good faith we invite its exploitation. 14 years of conservative government and a mainstream corporate media machine overwhelmingly carrying water for it has not provided us with any credible solutions. Perhaps because it is not a problem that will be resolved in the interminable struggle between red versus blue. We allow ourselves to think tribally about an issue that does not neatly fall into one side or the other, but instead sprawls messily across it all. Until we stop falling for that old trick, I dare say we will not find any solution that does not benefit the likes of Putin et al.
Tony Blair didn't call Labour, New Labour for nothing but to show the Party was not going to have any connection to the people caring party of the past
Why does nobody mention those who supported Brexit with the explicit aim of increasing non-European immigration. Sajid Javid, certainly, and Rishi Sunak (probably?) argued that EU single market rules discriminated against others (specifically Muslim in Javid’s case) who wanted to come to Britain. I also remember that at least one Tory Minister (anonymous thanks to lobby rules - probably Gove) who said that the plan to replace Europeans was to import labour from the 8non-white) Commonwealth. I believe India and Nigeria were mentioned.
Coz the rioters WEREN’T ATTACKING THE POLICE. They were mostly damaging property. Oh & those were two isolated incidents. These Southport Riots are happening allover the country. Nine cites & counting
Lied and for what purpose? So that we can leave people behind who are not playing ball. We all know about pensioners being disenfranchised. For those Brits without a degree disenfranchisement is the ultimate sanction with the gig economy awaiting. If you do not want to become a burger / pizza delivery person, minicab driver or parcel courier there are plenty of recently arrived immigrants that do. Immigration is our country's get out of jail free card. We apply very high standards to our own people to gain jobs but then save money on training by appropriating others from abroad. However, in recent years it has stopped worked well if at all with falling GDP and the numbers of people in the country rising from 58m in 2000 to 68m+ in 2023. Squeezing more and more people into the country cannot go on indefinitely; they need doctors and hospitals. We are not good at creating graduate jobs to the level necessary to satisfy demand and have even resorted to reclassifying existing roles for it to appear that at least some roles have been created. Nurses initially but there is talk of police officers become 'graduate' only too. Even those roles that demand graduates especially, e.g. doctors we are cheap skate to think it cheaper to pinch other people's doctors rather than train our own. It is very short-sighted and ultimately ruinous. The 2024 riots are as much to do with illegal immigration as they are to do with having little say and being disenfranchised. Recall New Labour told us on the eve of the eastern European countries joining the EU, that only 11,000 would seek to move to the UK. The Conservatives have been hopeless and their Brexit has had the perverse effect of increasing immigration and the explosion of those entering illegally via the channel whom we could otherwise have returned to France under the Dublin agreement. We need proportional representation as it would allow for dissenting voices to be heard rather than just calling people right wing or far right as it is now or as Gordon Brown called her: a bigoted woman for mentioning immigration.
Let’s not overlook the whole issue of wanton austerity and windfall profits at the expense of the populace. Not to mention, spending millions and aiming to spend billions to merely move a few hundred while also taken in asylum seekers in exchange. Immigration needs to be solved and right wing gimmicks don’t work.
This all sounds nice, but if there is not the flow of immigrants then we have lot of people over the age of 60 being supported by the state and no one to look after them, lot of immigrants are in NHS and care sector and lot less people to work and pay the taxes to fund the state. It very nice to say country is full but if you have not notice UK economy is going backwards We have 2 options build more housing and crunch the NIMBs, so they are actually built or say no more immigration and make the current working population pay more tax like France and Italy and by the time people are in their 20s & 30s are about to retire at 70 find no money left to support them. NHS waiting list are near decades long so have to go private if they wish to be seen.
Tories have failed massively on immigration. People saying it will be worse under Starmer, but we only have the tip of the iceberg of the failures and lack of immigration restrictions of the Tories.
That's the thing, none of them failed. From the uniparty's point of view, it's been a tremendous success. If you're on a train, with a pre-determined terminus, it doesn't much matter who's operating the locomotive (even if the drivers might swap out along the route), because you'll inevitably end up at the same destination. One driver might move the train along at a leisurely pace, so as not to alarm the passengers, and another might crank up the throttle with a little more abandon, but the station they're both heading for doesn't differ. *Obvious jokes about the state of the network notwithstanding...
This guy knows what he's talking about... he actually went and spoke to ppl and realised what is actually going on!... then he told the truth and passed it on. Times radio seem to have made a mistake in having him on the show!!!... 😄
Can you explain to me why there are riots against muslims and immigrants that were triggered by a UK born 17 year old christian choir boy stabbing 3 little girls?
The ones burning cop shops and meat wagons are though. Those ones are undeniably far-right thugs and anyone defending them is not a decent person. We can at least agree on that, right?
Powell in 1968 described what he perceived to be the evolving position of the White British population: For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country. They found their wives unable to obtain hospital beds in childbirth, their children unable to obtain school places, their homes and neighbourhoods changed beyond recognition, their plans and prospects for the future defeated; at work they found that employers hesitated to apply to the immigrant worker the standards of discipline and competence required of the native-born worker; they began to hear, as time went by, more and more voices which told them that they were now the unwanted. On top of this, they now learn that a one-way privilege is to be established by Act of Parliament; a law which cannot, and is not intended to, operate to protect them or redress their grievances, is to be enacted to give the stranger, the disgruntled and the agent provocateur the power to pillory them for their private actions.
Unfollow for this manipulative guest🙄🤦♂️, not the treaties are outdated, but the issue of the legal channels, allowing the refugees to use them (instead of the boats) that have been severely cut by Tories, is to blame.
@@04nbod Yeah he died a non believer of his own made up denomination, not that all religions aren't just made up. In my experience most people who call themselves Christian when questioned don't believe the bible at all but pick and choose the bits they like and ignore the rest.
Mass immigration has been a disaster. Think of all the homes occupied by migrants and of our own young couples priced out of the housing market as a result. Think of the countryside to be lost under new towns. Think of the towns and cities where once happy areas have altered beyong recognition. Think too of the immigrants who are becoming ever more demanding and wanting to change how we live and to rule over us, Khan being a prime example.
@reggiesmith3866 You'd have a hard time proving that immigration has priced Brits out or the housing market but; I'm willing to read your reply. Its no good just retorting 'supply and demand'. Unless you're saying that recent immigrants are generally much richer than Brits; how would they out compete buyers for homes?
@@desmondroberts6034 You do know we are part of international law that states all immigrants (illegal or not) cannot be left destitute? They have to be provided with accommodation , food and heating. So yes that will have an effect on house prices.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. In the 1970s and 80s, Tories said 40,000 - 50,000 immigrants a year was being 'swamped' and promised to reduce it to the levels of the 'early 1950s' (that is, below 10,000 a year) In the 2000s and 2010s, Tories said 250,000-300,000 immigrants a year needed to be below 100,000 a year. If you continued to vote tory, you invited this yourself. It was clear within months of their 2010 election result, they had zero intention of materially reducing numbers.
Neither Labour nor the Lib Dem’s had any intention of reducing the illegal immigration indeed they spoke of increasing the numbers coming in, so who would you consider voting for as there were no alternative parties to vote for that would have made any difference!
@@TwoBassed I'd just vote my conscience. It makes zero difference whether the red or blue brand wins. In a way, its liberating to realize that, to feel under no imperative to vote for the lesser of the evils, because at this stage, there is no lesser of the evils.
This is the best analysis I have heard to date. Hope the PM is listening and paying attention. Not everyone has the language to e,press the issues as succinctly as this. One to share. Thank you
I’m confused. I’m a ‘legal immigrant’ to the UK from Australia, I’ve been here for 18 years thanks to my grandfather being born here and so I qualified for an Ancestry Visa, which I then qualified to convert to an Indefinite Leave to Remain visa (ie Permanent Settlement visa.) I was recruited by a UK company in Sydney and have been employed full time for the whole 18 years by the same company. I’ve paid full tax and NI for that entire time, have committed no crimes whatsoever, stayed at home to protect the NHS during Covid, have been a model citizen of the UK. From what he’s saying, I get the feeling that I’m no longer welcome here, as a legal immigrant, and what he’s saying is I should not even be here. I was recruited in Australia because the British company I work for couldn’t get enough workers from the UK to fill all the jobs they had. Am I correct in thinking like this? ‘Legal Immigrants’ are no longer welcome and we shouldn’t be in the UK? Is that what he’s saying? 😓😓
Yes in a way. But I think when people say we should stop FURTHER immigration it should be made clear we are not talking about deporting existing immigrants. I would strongly suggest you naturalise though as the way things are moving it will extend to deporting existing immigrants as well
The demographics of this Country are fundamentally changing. We live in a (supposed) democracy . Yet, the peoples of the UK and Europe have never been asked the question, is this what you want or not? No wonder we're angry.
@@ProsecutorZekrom Why would it be weird? Japan and SK are almost totally ethnically homogeneous. They take in practically no migrants because nobody wants it.
@@mabuhayASMR I disagree with ethnostates no matter the nation. In the case of those two, the damage caused by lack of immigration is abundantly clear and actually I’m aware the Japanese government has been increasing immigration recently. I believe anyone can integrate into a society no matter where they or their parents came from because I grew up making friends with people who did. I’ll be living in Japan for a year in a couple of years and can’t wait for the opportunity to learn more about the place. Why should I say that denying others the right to do the same for my home country is the right thing to do?
I saw protestors heading to the march in London. I didn't know at the time what it was about. The murders are truly shocking. The protestors, however, did not seem angry (at least not at that point). No, they seemed more excited and gearing themselves up for a fight. It took me right back to the horrors of my youth and the actions of fascists. People can spin it all they like, but it most certainly is the 'far right', which have cynically seized this moment and promoted this outcome. Yes politicians lie. So do everyday people, when trying to hide their very thinly veiled racism.
The first demonstration I attended was about a school reform. Still, people in black and balaklavas attended it, threw things at the police and demanded the end of capitalism. They tried to hijack the demonstrations to further their own agenda. In Kiev on the Euro Maidan there were far right groups that clashed with the police. Later the russian propaganda tried to turn this into a far right coup and made it into a cornerstone for their aggression against Ukraine. Yes, there are far right people that waited for a moment like this and try to take advantage of it. That's obvious. But it is also obvious that they are only a part. A part that is blown up and put a frame around it. To draw the intention to them and away from the more complicated and simply inconvenient issues.
Yes they have lied because a lot of British people talk about immigration without knowledge of the immigration laws as well as the British economy and the relationship between both. Shocker, the illegal boats are not even the issue. Legal migration remains the main reason for the rise in immigration. For example, did you know that citizens from Commonwealth countries are allowed to vote in the UK elections regardless of whether or not they have permanent residency? Why do I bring this up? Citizens of Commonwealth countries were already subjected to the current immigration laws affecting the EU countries post-Brexit, which means they have had at least a decade to familiarise themselves with the system, thus being able to meet the legal immigration requirements compared to their EU counterparts post-Brexit. This is something they were clued up on pre-Brexit, meaning they exercised their voting rights during Brexit voting in favour of leave, knowing they would no longer be at a disadvantage when it came to choosing between EU and non-EU migrants. So, while the left was screaming that everyone who voted for Brexit was racist, and the right actively voted for Brexit to curtail immigration (not knowing it was EU immigration), the Commonwealth citizens rallied together to cast their votes in what they knew would open the gates for their relatives to join them in the UK. When it comes to the economy, the UK remains reliant on financial services as well as other services with little to no production or innovation at play. One of such services is education. UK students have access to student loans while those classed as international students have to pay their tuition upfront, which can cost them tens of thousands of pounds per year. Most of these students see this as an investment and, as such, want something in return, hence why they are allowed to bring their dependants and are granted a post-study visa after completion of their studies. When the Labour government under Gordon Brown tried to curtail immigration by taking away the post-study incentive, many international students opted for Canada instead, and this was reflected in the economy. Hence, the Conservative government reinstated the incentive when they came into office, despite promising to reduce immigration. As costs continue to rise and wages fail to keep up, and the politicians continue to squander the taxes unchecked, the British people will continue to face shortages in the workforce, with key roles such as healthcare and education needing to be filled. The government, knowing this, creates special immigration categories for workers in those sectors which are much less stringent, thus appealing to citizens of non-EU countries who often convert the wage being offered into their local currency, which equates to a lot. That is, until they become wiser on the issue when they’re faced with higher costs of living upon their arrival in the UK. These visas mean they can be permanent residents in five years, allowing them to do as they please. Many of them leave the low-paying healthcare and education system and opt for a much more lucrative industry, leaving another gap in the workforce, and the cycle continues. These are some of the reasons why no government will tackle immigration. They know the truth but continue to lie to the British public for votes, and they fall for it every single time, wondering why nothing has changed or, even worse, why things are getting out of control.
Never heard one speak the truth, I think the last one might have been Enoch Powell, but he probably lied most the time too, going by the actions of the rest of them!
Just another quick point.... The uk population has been aging for decades now. Of we reduce migration (by the way migrants are primarily younger people), how do we stop our demographics from aging to the point you have to work in your eigthies? Im 34, if my generation wants to retire before 80, we need migrants.
What's the problem, we will age and so will immigrants so do you perpetually import people because of the supposed birth rate drop. Why not accept a period of population decline?
Peaceful General National strike like Ghandi taught in India. Minimum work, pay no tax, live small until independent representatives are elected from your local known people. No political parties. Set a date and publish it. If that doesn't work, and it isn't fixed, we stop paying our mortgages.
There was 10 stabbing 3 dead and a soldier was stabbed to in a matter of days and a women walking her dog killed
Exactly if it was just EDL and Tommy ten names then would just be here in UK. This is ALL over Europe. Look at Republic of Ireland.
A young woman murdered on the beach at Bournemouth, yet another life lost but kept reasonably quiet in case of troubles,
@@DeanoOwls What happened in the Republic of Ireland?
The British political class is a disgrace.
And have been since 1066.
So are the media.
@@frankshailes3205 yep Times Radio acting "surprised" about the scale of the lies about mass immigration.
They are part of the problem.
Starmer blew a chance to read the room when he spoke. Cooper made it even worse. It’s a two-tier country at many levels with state and society dangerously disconnected.
When they stopped stop and search and other policing techniques so not offend a minority it started a decline.
It needs to be a criminal offence to lie to the public if an MP, a police officer or a news outlet.
Starmer lies constantly. Two tier kier
House of commons would be empty if that was the case
covid should have been the final straw.
Make the Nolan Principles legally enforceable and extend perjury legislation to parliament - if you lie in the House of Commons you go to prison. On top of that, disciplinary matters should be handled by juries made up of members of the public and absolutely not MPs. That would help sort the wheat from the chaff.
Define the difference between a promise, pledge, commitment, ideal, goal, objective, purpose . . . 😢
I consider myself a centrist who holds the belief that mass immigation at the pace we have seen in the past few years is totally unsustainable. I find it incredibly frustrating when the media labels people like me 'Far Right'. This interview was refreshing to see from the Times as it suggests that people may be waking up to this problem and its many knock on effects.
Nobody is far right,it's just a lazy tag placed on you by predominantly left wing MSM.People think it's only the BBC who have left wing bias,I've got news for you 99% of the media are lefties.
By using the term 'far right' to describe average members of the public with average emotional intelligence, Starmer and members of the media are merely confirming that THEY are VERY far left. If we DID have a 'far right' movement in this country, Starmer's feet wouldn't touch the floor!
Not only lied but ignored the majority vote, the people's voice, time and time again. Sadly this is the result both Labour and Tories are guilty of failing its people for their own gratification.😢😢
Lying politicians.
This is the conversation that everyone needs to have and if you have concerns not to be labelled far-right or racist, that is counterproductive.
Sure, but the people who are targeting mosques are far right and racist
But the people rioting ARE far right fascists... it does more damage legitimizing their racist views being whipped up by Tommy Robinson the hate preacher and Nigel Farage who's a fan of dog whistling.
Yeah, because this is how that conversation is has. Meanwhile, Tommy Ten Names and Farage’s gaslighting are a far right issue. We need to also acknowledge that and then make a sensible distinction between the two.
This nonsense merely takes away from the real conversations that need to be had on mass movement of people and the Neo Liberal ideology of punishing the least well off while letting unearned profiteering go forward untaxed and unchallenged. All these things impact the quality of life and future prospects of the average citizen.
@@ordohereticus3427 Could you please rephrase a little and punctuate? I read it twice and still not sure of your point. Thanks.
People must stop caring about such labels; they are slurs used to silence opposition and need to be ignored.
How on earth is Tony Blair still a free man?
The ground won't accept him
Because the establishment,lawmakers courts judges government are all in this conspiracy against the ordinary British public who they treat as a cash cow ,they represent only their own ideology and make laws to enable this to happen ,bliar and his fellow conspirators will ever face justice,
If you're still blaming Tony then you're a bit of an idiot i think
free masonry .
I think you missed how David Cameron offered the Brexit vote as a political football and backfired it. Farage proclaimed that you got your country back in 2016. So what more are you expecting exactly? Ethnic cleansing?
Let's not forget the lies they tell about ordinary people
What, neonazis like you?
"Serially lied" for years - does that include the MSM like The Times, Sunday Times and Times Radio as well? No? Oh well let's blame the "faaaaaar right" again.
Yes!
Yes.
But it was the govt that handed out several times more work visas and student than their immigration targets EACH YEAR .
It is the govt who should have realized how bad the housing crisis was and the cost of living crisis .They should have dealt with the boats and now it may be too late .
Brexit was a warning and they ignored it .
No it doesn't. Journalist is voicing their own opinions.
@@philpembroke5373msm are drip fed what and how they are allowed to report.
The real context people need to be aware of is the rich get richer with uncontrolled migration. Assets go up in value due to the strain on housing and resources. Wages get held down by this process also, meaning businesses can pay less and shareholders make more money. Realise also that over 25% of all MPs are multiple home owners and landlords, so they litterally profit from this situation personally. Are they really in it for the British people?
Yep, this is also the fundamental problem with the Tories - their voters are mostly asset rich older native English people, who SAY they don't like immigration, but have themselves actually benefited from that asset price inflation and cheap labour, and would go crazy if actual action was taken.
@@jdg9999 It's not just Tory voters mate, you're missing the point completely if you think that is the case. Classic example of a virtue signalling lefty rich bloke is Gary Linekar, and you can add most the BBC glitteratti to that, and many others.
@@theoutsider6191 we do need the workers though - but we also need to invest in public services, and stop obsessing about making sure house prices keep going up, and build enough homes to be affordable instead!
@@markwelch3564 You do realise how the idea presented above works? It works by not oversupplying the housing market, and keeping the doors open, which is precisely what is going to happen. And of course, because we have had an open door so long now which has dramatically reduced our per capita GDP, there is not sufficient money to invest in public services to cover the sheer number of people we now have. Hence several local authorities are going bust across the UK.
@@theoutsider6191 sounds like we need to tax people who made wild profits out of the previous status quo, so we have the means to fix our country
'the far right' ha! i hate to break it to this gentleman but he's running the very serious risk of being labeled 'far right' himself for questioning uncontrolled, illegal immigration
There is no far-right bogeyman. It's just what they are labelling the angry white working classes.
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and Farage gets called out for what exactly, telling the truth that is being covered up?
Farage, who's running scared at the first sign of "trouble"?
Last year Keir starmer visited Davos and openly said on live TV he would choose Davos over westminster .
Where can I find that
When are you Times Radio going to read your comments and hear finally that there is no far right in the UK? What benefit does it make for you to lie that it's the far right? People are furious and you ignore that at your peril.
The Tories in the past always represented the rich business and land owners. These wealthy people always wanted cheap labour to maximise profits for the few. Cheap labour came in the form of immigrants to suppress local wages. The trick the Tories got away with for all these years was to pretend that they were an anti-immigration party and would do something about immigrants coming in that were overwhelming social services. In reality the Tories never lifted a finger to limit immigration. I think British citizens are slowly realizing what has been happening but it is far too late.
Agreed. They were always in denial about immigration, but pretended to address it by giving £700m to Rwanda, while paying £8m a day to their friends in Serco to house them.
True to some degree. What the Tories have also done instead of using cheap immigrant labour, is to suppress public sector wages so much (via austerity) that it has had a knock-on effect in the private sector, incentivising bad employers there to pay less as well. Once that happened, then in the public sector, managers could get away with paying and treating those workers even worse. The falling tide has thus lowered all boats until finally enough people have woken up to their poor pay and terms and conditions and other related issues that they voted the Tories out. Workers mean growth, and that's why the UK economy is today 18% smaller than it was in 2010 in real terms.
@@mrd64 Rwanda was a scam using the techniques of disaster capitalism. The Tories should not be allowed into government again.
same in OZ
NO IT,S NOT , THEY NO
This person, don't know who he is, has raised some excellent points and I, personally, would agree with most of what he says.
Sunday Times columnist Matthew Syed
This is the sincere aspect of the conversation. One need not give way to rioters and looters to understand and express broader concerns on the topic, which are shared by many, many who also don’t agree with the thuggery that’s been on display.
He is Matthew Syed, previously table tennis player
Until he used the term 'far right'
The far right is always used This is wrong. It's normal people worried for their children. Feel like they haven't got a country. No more. No one supports violence and they shouldn't But your normal people have had enough. No one's listening to them Loveing, your country does not make you far, right
I have nothing but praise for Matthew Syed he speaks a truth that most of our politicians either fail to recognize or to their eternal shame are too cowardly or dishonest to address
And so has the fifth columnist Western Mainstream Media. Western Democracy = Guided Democracy. "Guided democracy, also called managed democracy, is a formally democratic government that functions as a de facto authoritarian government or, in some cases, as an autocratic government. Such hybrid regimes are legitimized by elections, but do not change the state's policies, motives, and goals"
Definition fits, naming is funny.
Guided democracy sounds like calling r8 the snuggle struggle.
Known this for years? Been happening in working class areas since 1998 and people called racist for pointing this out?
This would probably stop if they stopped the boats
Absolutely!
The same party that campaigned on the promise to stop the boats, also wants to scrap net zero which would increase global warming which is one of the factors causing Africans to leave their homes in the first place
The illegal boat immigration is approximately 30,000 pa - the legal immigration is approximately 700,000 pa
@@philipmain5701 - That’s probably the other way round!
They don't want to.
Have lost all trust in politicians, police the judiciary and the BBC. I didn't vote Conservative or Reform , never been on a march or demonstration, never been in trouble with the police. Sick of the never ending stream of immigrants , how dare they claim people like me are Far Right or racist. I did not vote Reform four weeks ago, but i will definitely be voting for them next time.
Should have voted Reform..😢
Not just BBC, newspapers too.
Thank you Matthew Syed (The Sunday Times) for speaking the truth.
21/2/2024
"The Independent Reviewer for the government's anti-terror programme, Sir William Shawcross, has stated that there was a reluctance to investigate Islamist threats due to fears of being labelled Islamophobic or racist. Instead, staff from the government's anti-terror programme were biased towards tackling far-right threats despite Islamist threats posing a greater risk."
Look at London housing Estates..-this is the future .
What about London housing estates? I bet you do not live in London.
@@trapsman6496 not many whites is there ...?
@@trapsman6496I don't think they do.
Just know if the rioters had been another ethnicity it would have been declared a peaceful protest!
I remember my father saying to me at very young age "Never trust or listen to a liar and always avoid them like the plague.. he went on to explain You know where you stand with a killer you know where you stand thief but you will never know where you stand with a liar. We should scrap parliament.
Compare this riots, to the Gaza protests of the last ten months.
Not one property was damaged during gaza protests let alone police men hurt you melt
@BashirAhmed-g7u they where calling for an infitada what do you think this is?????
@jomoon9391 again no property burnt or police hurt intifada means resistance
Pro Hamas protests work differently. They vandalise our war monuments to provoke a reaction. This has been happening for months and they get away with it because our police stand back. They chant from the river to the sea, Jihad and threaten Jews. They get away with it. That is what we mean by two tier policing in the UK.
I think a lack of sufficient policing at protests where people were openly anti semitic and breaking the law by supporting a proscribed terror organisation has led massively to this breakdown. See the 'two tier' policing comments.
It costs the taxpayer approximately £4,300 per asylum seeker per month.
The average monthly pay for an NHS nurse is £2,782.
A police officer with about 4 years in the system makes approximately £3000 per month.
An illegal economic migrant is worth more in the government’s eyes than hard working Brits.
Some have been milking the taxpayers for years.
Labour should be abolished for treasonous decisions that have a negative impact on British citizens, and have had for years.
I would double the cost of keeping the asylum seekers, they receive very generous hospitality
Exactly, LET ASYLUM SEEKERS WORK. END indefinite IMPRISONMENT within hotels, it's just cash for mates.
It is par for the course of *ANY* advanced economy to get immigrants (deserving so in particularly the West given that you are often the reason for people having to leave). *But that's not the issue.* It cost you more because your Tory government has refuse to allow any pre-established process for asylum and immigration function, just like they let every other part of your system crumble (which has all cost you more then it should). You threw out the numbers, but you never ask why is it that the government can give out billions for their donors and friends, yet has no money for NHS pay rise? It's not a migrant problem you have, it's a conservative problem of not wanting anything to function as it should. You think the previous government will somehow allow better pay if asylum seeker all disappear? *Of course not.* You lot are the treasonous people who kept electing liars like Tories and now even Reform, into Parliament.
Caroljones say they receive very generous hospitality, what frame of reference or evidence to you even have of any being true? Because the media that has been spreading the same narrative tells you so? But feel free to burn your own country to the ground and go to jail over made up nonsense.
I couldn't get a penny during covid and worked 30 years. Damaged my credit history and only just paid off debt. Disgusting what they get. Then wonder why keep coming?
Why should Labour be abolished? Didn't they just come to power? You are describing Tory policy.
Starmer looked totally lost during the speech. No backbone. I thought it would take a year for labour to implode not a month.
..he's too used to making easy money.
I heard that the labour party in 1824, only lasted ten months..? Be interesting if Kier Starma can break that record: he's already lost the indigenous nation: by classifying us all as far right! And racist to boot! He might as well include Gordon Brown's comment that we're all bigots. Oh; how the establishment hate us low order plebs! 🏴🇬🇧🏴☕😪
I agree with this chap's comments on politicians - they are the core of this problem from which everything else manifests.
Just to point out that 335 of the 650 current MP's are first time MP's who have been in role for a few weeks so you can not lay this at their doors. Suggest looking at the people who were actually running the country for the last decade or so
@@Boghopper9999 It is the political class that is the problem - new or old - they have values and beliefs radically different from ordinary people.
Stop saying far right....this is people just people who have had enough !
Genuine question, what line would rioters have to cross for you to consider them truly far right.
@@dylanyoung1326 Carry on ignoring the riots from the Left or are they "Far Right" too?
"Far Right" is NOT a synonym for "Violent"!
And likewise just because a Protest turns Violent does not mean that Riot is led by the so-called "Far Right"!
Violence is not the prerogative of one side of the Political aisle.
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Also the number of arrests means nothing - Police could be arresting people from both sides, they could be arresting people who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time and got mixed up in the violence or decided to join in just because they're naturally violent people who saw an opportunity to take out their frustrations!
Had enough of what exactly?
@@dylanyoung1326 to be characterised as far right they would have to support extreme nationalism, fascism, and reject liberal democracy in favour of authoritarianism
Genuine question, what's your definition of far right?
Center-right political ideologies generally include classical liberalism, conservative liberalism, and fiscal conservatism. These ideologies often support free-market capitalism, low taxes, small government, and traditional social values.
Far-right political ideologies, on the other hand, are typically more extreme and often include ultranationalism, fascism, and authoritarianism. These ideologies often involve a strong emphasis on nationalism, traditional social values, and a rejection of liberal democracy and multiculturalism.
@@Ixaglet So rioters that have started because a black person committed a heinous crime based on false information that said he was an asylum seeker and Muslim doesn't tick the rejecting multiculturalism, nationalism or authoritarianism?
That's why the tories were booted out by the people...
The Conservative government used immigration as a political football, but was always terrified of UKIP/Reform, because they were saying openly what the Conservatives were secretly thinking but were too spineless to say themselves.
So! Why do the politicians want all these immigrants,legal or illegal, in this country!?🤷🏼♂️!
The new arrivals make better wage slaves and more reliable voters.
1- It creates insecurity, which leads people to demand restrictions on their freedoms to keep them safe, so more power to the gvt
2- It creates unfair competition in the labor market for the lower and middle class, as per a report from the Bank of England detailing how they are getting f'd
3- Conflict is brewing, and countries want people ( meat )
4- It divides the citizens along ethnic lines, which makes it easier for parties to leverage those characteristics to win elections
5- Because of said division, which is aided by the media, policies and politicians, people are unwilling to cooperate and uprooted, becoming drones unable to organize effective collective resistance.
6- I can go on about this for a while ....
Kalergi.
Boosts gdp, supresses wages, increases housing market demand which makes the industry "grow".
Basically we've decoupled "growth" and "use", so now an economy can "grow" while the vast majority within it get less and have to share it with more.
There's also an imperialist angle to consider, draining working age and ambitious people from countries on the imperial periphary helps maintain imperial core economic dominance without the use of force.
Plus there are international law obligations surrounding refugees, asylum seekers, etc. which are both maintained for our oen future potential benefit, and because withdrawing from them would cause major geopolitical fallout (especially since we were instrumental in making everyone agree to them).
Essentially, like most political stuff, there's loads of overlapping and shifting drivers that unless you wanna require they spend half your time reading economics, history, and politics textbooks are gonna be too complicated to sum up easily for public consumption.
I do do all those, and I'm still scrapingvtge surface of understanding it all.
It's the crusades all over again. Bring the enemy into your country so that the people build up hate.
I think a lot of normally rational people are just worn out by constant, and seemingly endless poverty, worsening housing and council services, degraded access to the NHS etc. etc.. For many people, life is becoming more of a daily struggle - there's simply too much stress and a sense of hopelessness, and just not enough "everyday" pleasure in our existence to offset it. Let's face it, there didn't appear to be many comfortably off, middleclass people rioting. As we saw in Germany in the 1930s, if the Government is unable or unwilling to respond to the despair many people are feeling, it's a simple matter to deflect blame towards the most obvious targets in society. The less well off need to feel their struggles are being addressed, and quickly - or this unrest is going to continue.
Well said!!!
Well said!!!
The politicians are the whole cause of this - both Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem’s!
If only there was a system in place for changing the government from the one that caused all of these problems. Some kind of vote on the national level where you could replace the lets call them Tories with some alternative that with a bit of time might be able to fix some of these issues. What a world that would be.
Well, yes. This labour government has undertaken to end ideological Tory austerity - the cause of everything you described.
Not one bit of the problem justifies violent, racist crime.
More calling the center right, far right. These people are just... Angry. They feel taken advantage of.
indeed, they think if they repeat the lie we will swallow it
The British will tolerate a lot of hardship if it is done FAIRLY. When people see their hard earned income - income they can ill afford- - going to house illegal migrants, year after year, after year, all it takes is one incident for the whole thing to erupt in violence. That is bound to be the case, Brexit was a demand to limit immigration, but they did the opposite. The current first past the post system has disenfranchised 4.1 million voters. Voters who should have got nearly 100 MPs, instead have only 5 to represent their views in Parliament. We currently have a dictatorship and when peoples views are not listened to it's bound to turn violent.
In 2012 the total number of r*** offences was 16,038 ten years later it was 69,905 a four fold increase. (Source: Crime Survey for England and Wales). That coincides with the dramatic increase in immigration. In 2010 net migration was 256,000; by 2022 net migration was 745,000. For most of the 80s and 90s immigration and emigration was balanced with about 250K immigrating and 250K emigrating. Immigration now stands at 1,218,000 for 2023 according to the ONS.
Brexit ended free movement of EU workers in the UK and that has created the need for the large increase in immigration to fill those jobs that were being done by non-permanent workers. Did you not listen when people tried to explain to you that Brexit would cause problem like this?
Or did you listen to Farage when he lied, and lied and lied and lied and lied?
It does seem this is very much a problem of your own making.
Oh wow that'seems' way out there, Appreciate sharing your comment. Alot sustain. Look after your Own in All Best ways. Kindness comes in in at heart first for your own beloved country and respect where is it respectable.. ❤..
Wow, some actual honesty from a traditional news outlet. About time, maybe the tide is turning after the most disasterous and inept start to any new government in British history. Will the press actually start to hold governments to account and promote community again?
There is a firm that was buying and renovating old property in Middlesbrough for years and they got quite a large portfolio so you would expect that homeless, deserving, UK folk would be housed but No, they brought Coaches full of economic migrants and Illegals to fill these houses, the folk in Middlesbrough do Not like this, not one little bit !!
Carers from all over the world allowed into UK with their families...one carer bringing 15 dependants ha ha. Nigerians and zimbabweans and Indians bringing millions between 2020 and now ...to be honest the real population of UK must be 100 million.
I knew this 15 yrs ago,
now our journalists are just realizing ?I don't believe you are just realising,
I believe you are just now becoming concerned about the rising anger.
Politicians lie about everything.
Tony Blair the war criminal?
That’s him
Look how much he gotpaid by India to open the borders ...
I get a commuter train (Northern Rail) from Newcastle to Hartlepool (it stops at Sunderland) within a year the train capacity has gone from 10% local population to 100% with 90% African Immigrants, this is including the standing spaces. 100% the government has been (and still is) lying. I presume lefties don't get the commuter train in the North East.
County Road in Liverpool which had a riot last night, has changed so much in the last couple of years with immigrants.You would think it was Nigeria.
JUST ,A BUS,IN MANCHESTER like Wise, sayin
80% of these comments are made with 75% accuracy and 50% of them are exaggerated with 68% certainty
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Tony Blair has a lot to answer for ????
I'm from foreign & Muslim orgin myself however i understand the anger.
Asylum seekers take low skilled jobs from low skilled English citizens, and they contribute to lowering woking conditions, including wages, by accepting any working conditions.That is the real problem, or that is what they think is the real problem, and the crime rate may be higher among people from foreign origins as well.
So until the government does something to solve these issues, part of the population would continue to feel upset about it.
I don’t like far-right, I don’t like their hatred but stereotyping all the upset people that they are only far-right will not help.
I think its less that and more where those people are put. On the government website they are told that asylum seekers are unlikely to be placed in London or the South East. aka the rich bits. They are dumped in poor, de industrialised Northern and Midlands towns or cities and having done that for decades there are now autonomous Asian enclaves in those areas. The white working class are raging because its been put on their doorstep and not in rich, leafy Buckinghamshire. Its the journalists and politicians of the south telling them they are awful. They are seeing their towns and cities where they may have lived generations demographically changed to the point they don't feel they belong anymore.
It's not just asylum seekers, it's the overall level of immigration. Adding half a million people a year is not a solution to anything
Absolutely they have been coming for 40 years trust me
New labour Tony Blair started this mess and this is his legacy, conservatives then continued to run the country in to the ground, i voted for both these parties, because of our terrible two party political system.
I completely condemns riots raging across the UK.
and yes turn the boats back to France and leave the undemocratic ECHR.
Matthew Syed reasonably suggests that in not talking about the problems of immigration rationally and in good faith we invite its exploitation. 14 years of conservative government and a mainstream corporate media machine overwhelmingly carrying water for it has not provided us with any credible solutions. Perhaps because it is not a problem that will be resolved in the interminable struggle between red versus blue. We allow ourselves to think tribally about an issue that does not neatly fall into one side or the other, but instead sprawls messily across it all. Until we stop falling for that old trick, I dare say we will not find any solution that does not benefit the likes of Putin et al.
They call us far right because they see, in some, it hits a nerve. Some may feel guilty or ashamed. They will just keep saying it so ignore it.
Tony Blair didn't call Labour, New Labour for nothing but to show the Party was not going to have any connection to the people caring party of the past
Why does nobody mention those who supported Brexit with the explicit aim of increasing non-European immigration. Sajid Javid, certainly, and Rishi Sunak (probably?) argued that EU single market rules discriminated against others (specifically Muslim in Javid’s case) who wanted to come to Britain.
I also remember that at least one Tory Minister (anonymous thanks to lobby rules - probably Gove) who said that the plan to replace Europeans was to import labour from the 8non-white) Commonwealth. I believe India and Nigeria were mentioned.
Quite. If it wasn't for the people that the 'frighters' are worrying about, the Brexit vote wouldn't have got over the line.
800 million pound to rwanda,send nobody its a joke,now blamin starmer,only been pm a few weeks
Starmer didn't try to send anyone,so in effect,he gave that money away.
@@Summersue joke coment,dup.
Why didn't we see this police violence in Leeds and outside Rochdale town hall the other week?
Coz the rioters WEREN’T ATTACKING THE POLICE. They were mostly damaging property.
Oh & those were two isolated incidents. These Southport Riots are happening allover the country.
Nine cites & counting
All talk and No action thats our MPs😮
They stand there with their manifestos, spouting promises, then completely u turn when they get in. Its disgusting. Lies lies lies
Lied and for what purpose? So that we can leave people behind who are not playing ball.
We all know about pensioners being disenfranchised.
For those Brits without a degree disenfranchisement is the ultimate sanction with the gig economy awaiting.
If you do not want to become a burger / pizza delivery person, minicab driver or parcel courier there are plenty of recently arrived immigrants that do.
Immigration is our country's get out of jail free card.
We apply very high standards to our own people to gain jobs but then save money on training by appropriating others from abroad.
However, in recent years it has stopped worked well if at all with falling GDP and the numbers of people in the country rising from 58m in 2000 to 68m+ in 2023.
Squeezing more and more people into the country cannot go on indefinitely; they need doctors and hospitals.
We are not good at creating graduate jobs to the level necessary to satisfy demand and have even resorted to reclassifying existing roles for it to appear that at least some roles have been created.
Nurses initially but there is talk of police officers become 'graduate' only too.
Even those roles that demand graduates especially, e.g. doctors we are cheap skate to think it cheaper to pinch other people's doctors rather than train our own.
It is very short-sighted and ultimately ruinous.
The 2024 riots are as much to do with illegal immigration as they are to do with having little say and being disenfranchised.
Recall New Labour told us on the eve of the eastern European countries joining the EU, that only 11,000 would seek to move to the UK.
The Conservatives have been hopeless and their Brexit has had the perverse effect of increasing immigration and the explosion of those entering illegally via the channel whom we could otherwise have returned to France under the Dublin agreement.
We need proportional representation as it would allow for dissenting voices to be heard rather than just calling people right wing or far right as it is now or as Gordon Brown called her: a bigoted woman for mentioning immigration.
Let’s not overlook the whole issue of wanton austerity and windfall profits at the expense of the populace. Not to mention, spending millions and aiming to spend billions to merely move a few hundred while also taken in asylum seekers in exchange.
Immigration needs to be solved and right wing gimmicks don’t work.
This all sounds nice, but if there is not the flow of immigrants then we have lot of people over the age of 60 being supported by the state and no one to look after them, lot of immigrants are in NHS and care sector and lot less people to work and pay the taxes to fund the state.
It very nice to say country is full but if you have not notice UK economy is going backwards
We have 2 options build more housing and crunch the NIMBs, so they are actually built or say no more immigration and make the current working population pay more tax like France and Italy and by the time people are in their 20s & 30s are about to retire at 70 find no money left to support them.
NHS waiting list are near decades long so have to go private if they wish to be seen.
Try decades ..
Tories have failed massively on immigration. People saying it will be worse under Starmer, but we only have the tip of the iceberg of the failures and lack of immigration restrictions of the Tories.
So did Labour during the Blair Brown years
That's the thing, none of them failed. From the uniparty's point of view, it's been a tremendous success. If you're on a train, with a pre-determined terminus, it doesn't much matter who's operating the locomotive (even if the drivers might swap out along the route), because you'll inevitably end up at the same destination. One driver might move the train along at a leisurely pace, so as not to alarm the passengers, and another might crank up the throttle with a little more abandon, but the station they're both heading for doesn't differ.
*Obvious jokes about the state of the network notwithstanding...
why do you mention FAR RIGHT .WHO ARE THEY?
The criminally thuggish riots are a symptom of undeniable grievance.
They need to held accountable!
This guy knows what he's talking about... he actually went and spoke to ppl and realised what is actually going on!... then he told the truth and passed it on. Times radio seem to have made a mistake in having him on the show!!!... 😄
All decent people who are concerned and don't agree with the policies are not FAR RIGHT. The MSM need to drop this stupidity!
Can you explain to me why there are riots against muslims and immigrants that were triggered by a UK born 17 year old christian choir boy stabbing 3 little girls?
The ones burning cop shops and meat wagons are though. Those ones are undeniably far-right thugs and anyone defending them is not a decent person. We can at least agree on that, right?
Powell in 1968 described what he perceived to be the evolving position of the White British population:
For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country. They found their wives unable to obtain hospital beds in childbirth, their children unable to obtain school places, their homes and neighbourhoods changed beyond recognition, their plans and prospects for the future defeated; at work they found that employers hesitated to apply to the immigrant worker the standards of discipline and competence required of the native-born worker; they began to hear, as time went by, more and more voices which told them that they were now the unwanted. On top of this, they now learn that a one-way privilege is to be established by Act of Parliament; a law which cannot, and is not intended to, operate to protect them or redress their grievances, is to be enacted to give the stranger, the disgruntled and the agent provocateur the power to pillory them for their private actions.
Unfollow for this manipulative guest🙄🤦♂️, not the treaties are outdated, but the issue of the legal channels, allowing the refugees to use them (instead of the boats) that have been severely cut by Tories, is to blame.
Finally this is being spoken about
Has the Murdoch press been telling the truth over the same timeframe I wonder. How can we believe journalists like you.
Murdoch/Mossad are the true enemy of England.
I'm agreeing with Matthew Syed. Wow. 👀👀👀 Stop the boats.
Henry 8th taught the brits what nonsense religion really is hundreds of years ago, about time the rest grew up a bit.
Henry VIII was a bloody tyrant who died a Christian and used continental discontent in a power grab
@@04nbod Yeah he died a non believer of his own made up denomination, not that all religions aren't just made up. In my experience most people who call themselves Christian when questioned don't believe the bible at all but pick and choose the bits they like and ignore the rest.
A very thoughtful discourse - thank you both.
"A riot is the language of the unheard" - Martin Luther King Jr.
@ypp0pso there are Good Rioters and Bad Rioters 😂😂
@@silondon9010 If governments had kept their promises, none of this would've happened.
@@silondon9010 The left was lauding the French Revolution last week
Mass immigration has been a disaster. Think of all the homes occupied by migrants and of our own young couples priced out of the housing market as a result. Think of the countryside to be lost under new towns. Think of the towns and cities where once happy areas have altered beyong recognition. Think too of the immigrants who are becoming ever more demanding and wanting to change how we live and to rule over us, Khan being a prime example.
Indians own the most property in london
Khan is an example of an entitled immigrant? He was born in the UK.
@reggiesmith3866 You'd have a hard time proving that immigration has priced Brits out or the housing market but; I'm willing to read your reply. Its no good just retorting 'supply and demand'. Unless you're saying that recent immigrants are generally much richer than Brits; how would they out compete buyers for homes?
and when you ask the lefties when is the number too much - they can't answer.
@@desmondroberts6034 You do know we are part of international law that states all immigrants (illegal or not) cannot be left destitute? They have to be provided with accommodation , food and heating. So yes that will have an effect on house prices.
Tony Blair was the architect of divided cultures and unsustainable levels of immigration but nobody has changed anything since.
Well done and well said, so it is widely known, so then why doesn't the Prime Minister or rhe main stream media understand the cause of the movement?
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
In the 1970s and 80s, Tories said 40,000 - 50,000 immigrants a year was being 'swamped' and promised to reduce it to the levels of the 'early 1950s' (that is, below 10,000 a year)
In the 2000s and 2010s, Tories said 250,000-300,000 immigrants a year needed to be below 100,000 a year.
If you continued to vote tory, you invited this yourself. It was clear within months of their 2010 election result, they had zero intention of materially reducing numbers.
Neither Labour nor the Lib Dem’s had any intention of reducing the illegal immigration indeed they spoke of increasing the numbers coming in, so who would you consider voting for as there were no alternative parties to vote for that would have made any difference!
@@TwoBassed I'd just vote my conscience. It makes zero difference whether the red or blue brand wins. In a way, its liberating to realize that, to feel under no imperative to vote for the lesser of the evils, because at this stage, there is no lesser of the evils.
@@Nick-io9uk - Same as I, it’s the way I learned they all lie!
thank you for this media, balanced and accurate
This guest is making the first sensible arguments over mass uncontrolled migration I've heard on MSM
According to Times Radio, it's always Labour's fault. Unless there's no way of getting of the tories out of it, in which case it's both parties fault.
"wahh wahh they're all the same wahh"
Honest and Direct .
Matthew needs to run for Parliament!
how are the protests 'clearly animated by the far right'??????? what is your methodology for making this ascertion?
Well said
This is the best analysis I have heard to date.
Hope the PM is listening and paying attention. Not everyone has the language to e,press the issues as succinctly as this.
One to share. Thank you
The Presenter appeared very uncomfortable.
I’m confused. I’m a ‘legal immigrant’ to the UK from Australia, I’ve been here for 18 years thanks to my grandfather being born here and so I qualified for an Ancestry Visa, which I then qualified to convert to an Indefinite Leave to Remain visa (ie Permanent Settlement visa.)
I was recruited by a UK company in Sydney and have been employed full time for the whole 18 years by the same company. I’ve paid full tax and NI for that entire time, have committed no crimes whatsoever, stayed at home to protect the NHS during Covid, have been a model citizen of the UK.
From what he’s saying, I get the feeling that I’m no longer welcome here, as a legal immigrant, and what he’s saying is I should not even be here.
I was recruited in Australia because the British company I work for couldn’t get enough workers from the UK to fill all the jobs they had.
Am I correct in thinking like this? ‘Legal Immigrants’ are no longer welcome and we shouldn’t be in the UK? Is that what he’s saying? 😓😓
Yes in a way. But I think when people say we should stop FURTHER immigration it should be made clear we are not talking about deporting existing immigrants. I would strongly suggest you naturalise though as the way things are moving it will extend to deporting existing immigrants as well
The demographics of this Country are fundamentally changing. We live in a (supposed) democracy . Yet, the peoples of the UK and Europe have never been asked the question, is this what you want or not? No wonder we're angry.
That’d be a weird referendum: “do you want a white ethnostate?”
@@ProsecutorZekrom Why would it be weird? Japan and SK are almost totally ethnically homogeneous. They take in practically no migrants because nobody wants it.
@@ProsecutorZekromEthnically homogeneous like Japan and South Korea?
@@mabuhayASMR I disagree with ethnostates no matter the nation. In the case of those two, the damage caused by lack of immigration is abundantly clear and actually I’m aware the Japanese government has been increasing immigration recently.
I believe anyone can integrate into a society no matter where they or their parents came from because I grew up making friends with people who did. I’ll be living in Japan for a year in a couple of years and can’t wait for the opportunity to learn more about the place. Why should I say that denying others the right to do the same for my home country is the right thing to do?
@@ProsecutorZekrom In Japan you'll be a boon to the rich and politicians, and a thorn in the side to regular people who dislike you
No Confidence for labor or con.
No confidence in politicians full stop irrespective of what party!
I saw protestors heading to the march in London. I didn't know at the time what it was about. The murders are truly shocking. The protestors, however, did not seem angry (at least not at that point). No, they seemed more excited and gearing themselves up for a fight. It took me right back to the horrors of my youth and the actions of fascists. People can spin it all they like, but it most certainly is the 'far right', which have cynically seized this moment and promoted this outcome. Yes politicians lie. So do everyday people, when trying to hide their very thinly veiled racism.
The first demonstration I attended was about a school reform. Still, people in black and balaklavas attended it, threw things at the police and demanded the end of capitalism. They tried to hijack the demonstrations to further their own agenda.
In Kiev on the Euro Maidan there were far right groups that clashed with the police. Later the russian propaganda tried to turn this into a far right coup and made it into a cornerstone for their aggression against Ukraine.
Yes, there are far right people that waited for a moment like this and try to take advantage of it. That's obvious. But it is also obvious that they are only a part. A part that is blown up and put a frame around it. To draw the intention to them and away from the more complicated and simply inconvenient issues.
Yes they have lied because a lot of British people talk about immigration without knowledge of the immigration laws as well as the British economy and the relationship between both.
Shocker, the illegal boats are not even the issue. Legal migration remains the main reason for the rise in immigration.
For example, did you know that citizens from Commonwealth countries are allowed to vote in the UK elections regardless of whether or not they have permanent residency? Why do I bring this up? Citizens of Commonwealth countries were already subjected to the current immigration laws affecting the EU countries post-Brexit, which means they have had at least a decade to familiarise themselves with the system, thus being able to meet the legal immigration requirements compared to their EU counterparts post-Brexit. This is something they were clued up on pre-Brexit, meaning they exercised their voting rights during Brexit voting in favour of leave, knowing they would no longer be at a disadvantage when it came to choosing between EU and non-EU migrants. So, while the left was screaming that everyone who voted for Brexit was racist, and the right actively voted for Brexit to curtail immigration (not knowing it was EU immigration), the Commonwealth citizens rallied together to cast their votes in what they knew would open the gates for their relatives to join them in the UK.
When it comes to the economy, the UK remains reliant on financial services as well as other services with little to no production or innovation at play. One of such services is education. UK students have access to student loans while those classed as international students have to pay their tuition upfront, which can cost them tens of thousands of pounds per year. Most of these students see this as an investment and, as such, want something in return, hence why they are allowed to bring their dependants and are granted a post-study visa after completion of their studies. When the Labour government under Gordon Brown tried to curtail immigration by taking away the post-study incentive, many international students opted for Canada instead, and this was reflected in the economy. Hence, the Conservative government reinstated the incentive when they came into office, despite promising to reduce immigration.
As costs continue to rise and wages fail to keep up, and the politicians continue to squander the taxes unchecked, the British people will continue to face shortages in the workforce, with key roles such as healthcare and education needing to be filled. The government, knowing this, creates special immigration categories for workers in those sectors which are much less stringent, thus appealing to citizens of non-EU countries who often convert the wage being offered into their local currency, which equates to a lot. That is, until they become wiser on the issue when they’re faced with higher costs of living upon their arrival in the UK. These visas mean they can be permanent residents in five years, allowing them to do as they please. Many of them leave the low-paying healthcare and education system and opt for a much more lucrative industry, leaving another gap in the workforce, and the cycle continues.
These are some of the reasons why no government will tackle immigration. They know the truth but continue to lie to the British public for votes, and they fall for it every single time, wondering why nothing has changed or, even worse, why things are getting out of control.
They won't tackle immigration as we have businesses who are addicted to cheap pliable desperate foreign labour
the top is corrupt!
All the way down to the civil service!
Politicians lie? Have yet to hear one accused of telling the truth
Never heard one speak the truth, I think the last one might have been Enoch Powell, but he probably lied most the time too, going by the actions of the rest of them!
Err, the Labour manifesto of 2010 is irrelevant as they were not elected, so bringing it up in terms of it being violated is just disingenuous.
Just another quick point.... The uk population has been aging for decades now. Of we reduce migration (by the way migrants are primarily younger people), how do we stop our demographics from aging to the point you have to work in your eigthies? Im 34, if my generation wants to retire before 80, we need migrants.
Absolutely this! Blame the govermnent and house builders for not sorting out housing for the workers we need, as we definitely need them!
You are forgetting automation. We need to innovate. Leave a lot of production to technology.
What's the problem, we will age and so will immigrants so do you perpetually import people because of the supposed birth rate drop. Why not accept a period of population decline?
The presenter's expression be like "oh no we've gone off message...."
Uk is not united anymore
At least 14 million here on back of lorries. Now security guards all uncounted.
Peaceful General National strike like Ghandi taught in India. Minimum work, pay no tax, live small until independent representatives are elected from your local known people. No political parties.
Set a date and publish it.
If that doesn't work, and it isn't fixed, we stop paying our mortgages.
Getting your house repossessed by the bank will really stick it to those boat people 😂
And that would help what? And how?
@@MoonBerryShrimp not if everyone stops it won't. You'd be speaking German right now if my Grandfather took your attitude.
Should have started off with peaceful protests rather than rioting. Can't turn back the clock and try to act like you're peace loving people
@Darren-b8p no, my grandfather was not a rioter, nor my father, and I'm not either.