What Christians Don't Get About LGBT Folks
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.พ. 2025
- Rosaria Butterfield discusses the importance of Christians recognizing LGBTQ+ individuals as fellow image-bearers and not treating them as separate species. Butterfield encourages Christians to focus on building relationships rather than fixating only on sins or identities. She emphasizes the value of spending time with LGBTQ+ people, listening to their stories, and creating welcoming environments for open dialogue and understanding.
(1) People are people.
(2) Outward sins are not always the root issue.
(3) Worldview matters.
#lgbt #christianity #story #relationships
![[Clip from Ep. 125] Rosaria Butterfield: Dangerous Books in the Church](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/xqBFEhkwaJg/mqdefault.jpg)
Homosexual behavior won’t damn a person any more quickly than pride or greed or adultery. Without Christ, we are lost, whether gay, straight, or asexual. But, when we surrender our lives to the lordship of Jesus, He gives us a new nature (2 Corinthians 5:17). He destroys the power that sin once held over us (Romans 6:1-7). The old nature that once dictated our actions has been conquered in a born-again child of God (John 3:3). Temptation still rages. Weaknesses still torment. But the power of the Holy Spirit helps us to resist Satan and overcome the sins that once held us captive (Colossians 2:14; James 4:7). We can choose new life in Jesus or the old life of sin. But we cannot have both (Matthew 6:24).
She’s 100% on point. We don’t refer to people who’ve come to Christ and struggle with drug addiction as druggies or struggle with any other sin by referring to that sin. We point people to God and let God do the work because once you point to a person to God, the rest is between that person and God.
I think the problem arises when Christian teachers affirm sin. Any sin.
Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. Romans 1:32
Problem I have with that is that Jesus and I believe the apostles were quick to accept sinners into their circle but they were also quick to call out their sin and call them to repent. Jesus didn't seem to shy away from someone's obvious sins in an effort to share the gospel.
Why would I need a savior if I see no sin in my life? Some of the most loving people I know have not avoided the sin that need to be called out in my life. Don't pretend that if you avoid upsetting someone about their sin, the holy spirit will be more capable in saving them or sanctifying them. Look at what Jesus and the apostles did as well as the early church and model your conduct after them. And that doesn't include avoiding obvious elephants in the room.
If someone comes to christ and is an alcoholic we encourage them to get treatment for their alcoholism
If they are an adulterer as in, a sex addict, we encourage them to get treatment.
Anyone who is a continuous sinner, we encourage them to find help in God and elsewhere if possible.
If someone is an open homosexual in church, i would also encourage them to seek help.
That is a woke, Christoan approach. You simply must teach holiness to help every follower of Jesus live complete and fulfilled. ❤
@@dougmasters4561they dont need help, there is nothing wrong with being gay
why do you assume that christians dont understand this? Id argue that christians, true christians, understand this more than most. This is why they tell them that what they are identifying as isnt how they should be making sense of the world. Because the only realy way to make sense of the world is through God. What makes sense is it is lust and temptation, that should be turned away from since it is sin. It is not something to make part of your identity. Your identity should be in Christ, not sin!
2:04 you talk about it as food, yet you will not eat your greens, only the deserts that are tasty. Its not healthy to only eat desert.
I think you missed her point
@@brankobelfranin8815 Well, what say you then? What was her point I missed?
what about people who are atheists? All that the religious environments do is create targets on members of the lgbt communities backs and influence people to discriminate against them because of their personal beliefs. Religion is corrupt and is the reason why so many people die daily.
You say this like you’ve never sinned? I really don’t like how all these others sins as like wearing jeans on certain days or eating shrimp, people forget this and just rather pick out the gays, I hope your not one of them but if so focus on your sins and not others especially others that don’t care for the relationship
“Being a lesbian wasn’t my biggest sin, being an unbeliever was” amazing word from her
Who can believe without God first willing that belief in a person? No one.
A person’s sin comes from within, but the ability to truly believe comes from God. The Good Shepherd found me trembling on the edge of a precipice in the middle of the night and it was He who rescued me. No man finds God, He finds us.
She didn’t decide one day to believe in Jesus of Nazareth and then chose to follow Him. Nope.
@@joewright9879 God never lost you. He knows where his children are at all times. It is the child that has to search him out.
I look at like this. A small family of 3 (Mom, Dad, and child) goes to a shopping mall for a afternoon and in the mall the family walks into a toy store. The child comes across a toy that really attracts their attention and they start to play with it to the point mom and dad can't get the child to leave the store with them. They decide to play a lesson on the child and walk around a corner where they keep constant sight on the child at all times but they are just out of the child's vision. After a few minutes the child looks up at mom and dad and they are nowhere to be seen and the child now realizes that he/she is alone and lost. They aren't really lost because mom and dad still have the child in plain view from their vantage point and know exactly where the child is and what they are doing and they can just poke back around the corner and pick the child up in a seconds notice but the child thinks they are lost.
That is how we are with God. We don't see him or know where he is or even if he is but he always sees and knows where we are and what we are doing. It is us that is lost and feel alone. Not because we are truly lost but because we don't see nor know where God is.
God sounds very homophobic
@@yagosski8179yes you have a demon in you ask God for help and he will deliver you from acting like a gay
@@yagosski8179
There's no phobia.
Just condemnation of certain choices that are contrary to the natural pathways of growth.
Whether it is trespassing into a home that is not yours to enter or trespassing into a body in a way that is not meant for entering.
Humans, as the only species capable of recognising wisdom, is the only creature capable of sculpting their choices to fit the wisdom of nature. The reward of such moral sculpting is a beautiful soul, and a beautiful soul is the fertile soil for paradise after death.
"Distorted by original sin", that's a fancy way of saying we are all depraved and come into this world separated from a holy God and deserving of damnation; it's only by the saving grace of God through Jesus Christ that anyone is able to be saved. Jesus is more than your friend and buddy, He's your Lord if indeed you are saved. Jesus dined and befriended all types of people in sin, you'll notice that He never left them in their sin once they were His and saved. Zaccheus, when confronted by Christ repented and returned the stolen money. Paul, when confronted by Christ repented and made a 180 degree change in his life. I can't stand here and say "hey I'm a drunkard adulterer who is friends with Christ and He loves me as I am" and think I'm saved; if indeed Christ has confronted you and arrested your heart and given you new affections and desires then you will bear fruit and be changed.
If you say so. Who distorted us, again, @jason trevino ? I'm not convinced Adam ever KNEW he could do that, to a whole race, or more than two lives, alone. And why was Satan owed any access to, unready stewards?
And what was meant to happen to Jews post 1 Corinthians 10 or not - and were the results, satisfactory...?
Wow you people are fucking insane
@@HDC4S3 😃 brilliant observation good sir, bravo 👏
@@HDC4S3 says the nincompoop who believes in hundreds of genders 😂
@@shroendeshmukh5063 I believe in 2 lol man and woman and I guess non binary, and I proudly support lgbtq+ lmao
When God created marriage, He designed it to between one man and one woman (Genesis 2:24). To hijack God's design and modify it to our own liking, no longer makes it God's design... When a car manufacturer has an idea, he creates a blueprint that is used to create a prototype... And the prototype is the first of its kind and it sets apart the very thing that is going to be created later. So let's say an individual later guts out the inside of that car, puts switches on it, changes the engine, repaints the car, etc.. It is no longer the original design and Ford, Toyota (whoever is the car manufacturer), can no longer put that car on display. It is now false advertisement of their car. And God did the same with marriage, He created a prototype of marriage with Adam and Eve. Let us follow the Creator's original design.
Pierre, did you listen to what Rosaria Butterfield was saying about hearing others? The Bible often describes how Jesus spent much of His time listening and relating with sinners (all of us). If Jesus who was perfect did that, why shouldn't we? It doesn't change the truth, but if we don't care enough about others to even listen why would we think they would want to hear what we have to say?
Sydney Piper Bristow
Oh, but I do know Him, but I won't debate you, because you really don't want truth--you want validation. It's said that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. If you knew God you would understand what this means. I hope you have an opportunity to find out for yourself some day.
JustPierre look at matthew 19 where jesus talks about eunichs...some born that way jesus says....men born without weenies...penile agenesis.....soooo.what was that you said about original design?
Did not Solomon have many wives?
@@linjp2773 grow up..you were never there to hear jesus words..also marriage in pagan times and viking times..ancient greek times were pagan when marriage existed..take alexander the great and his lover bagoas both born before jesus ever existed..bisexual and gay existed long before your god..mother nature was pagan the second religion to exist and that can be proved by dates and timelines..marriage was also known as hand fasting and was between two loving consenting adults not man and women..the bible was designed to hate on anything christians didn't approve of..so no you don't know him and you certainly don't know the true facts of history..alexander a bisexual was born July 356 BC and so was bagoas a gay male born in 356BC..jesus was born 6AD long after Alexander and the greek pagan ways..it was actually christian that's attacked and murdered pagan women men and children all your religion caused was war and death..the bible itself contradicts..though shalt not kill meaning its a sin to murder or take a life yet then it states if a man lays with another man put to death..a clear contradiction..so the bible says its a sin to kill but its okay to kill gays
I made the mistake of scrolling down and reading some of the comments. A lot of them actually. And I'm actually exhausted. This is a complicated matter understandably. But it seems like we keep making this one consistent mistake with each other. We don't know how to listen to each other. We're so quick to correct each other, but we don't take the time to hear someone out. The bible is the bible. What is says is what is says. People, however they identify, will be people. Right or wrong, we don't serve each other well by telling each other what's wrong with them or their mindset. Us vs Them, it's BS. If they system in our country wasn't set up the way it was, LGBTQ+ wouldn't feel the need to do what they do be seen, validated, and quite frankly, survive. On the other hand, Christians wouldn't be so bent out of shape if they didn't feel like everything was attacking them and they have to fight back with the word of God.
We'll keep going around in circles with each other, debating sin, identity, gender, etc, etc, till the day we die at this point if we don't take the time to do self correction and healing. Then take the time to talk to each other and figure stuff out. Be honest about your beliefs, but also, be considerate of the person you're talking to, on either side. If that's confusing, just figure it out. Take the time to navigate that with someone different from you in all aspects. You might not reach a mutual agreement, but at the least if you try and try respectfully, without sacrificing who you are, you'll understand each other better.
If you understand the other person, you'll continue seeing them and what they do on all sides from a negative viewpoint if you have one. And I don't have it all figured out, I just want some peace. But I'm not naive to believe that peace will come via agreement, but it could possibly come with understanding. It won't be everyone, but if there's a lot of us, we can work together to change our society, culture and eventually the system and start the process of breaking down stigmas so that all of they things we did in this generation, the next won't even have to experience.
Ideally. Maybe.
The book is incomplete, It still has gaps in it... and it does not seem due to change.
That said, I still outright REFUSE to go away without an answer to what DID become of female captives in Numbers 31:17...
I agree and would like to learn more from you. Is there any way I can reach you? I have a few questions I want to ask
That long, convoluted post is a way of saying that the church must be pro-gay. That will continue to tear the church apart
GOD ONLY SAVES FOLKS THAT LOVE AND WORSHIP JESUS CHRIST - TO HEAVEN - ALL OTHER WILL BE TORMENTED IN H-E-L-L FIRE !!
@@lovejoypeaceforever That kind of sucks.
Wow how far has our society gone that it needs to be stated that "people are people"
Lyrix97 Ikr
It's like we're in a constant loop of kindergarten.
Yes because the hatred is so terrible and doesn’t reflect a true lover of God
And for what sexual consent is?
Moronic statement that means nothing.
Whether you are gay or a straight person, all are doomed without receiving Christ Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Jesus is mankind's only hope for life hereafter. So if you're not a true follower of Jesus you are lost.
Politely you are not rightfully diving the word of truth by teachers that have not as well. Jesus is Lord & Savior. So wen a sinners repents confesses receives he is inviting the Spirit of life romans 8 thus receives both Savior & Lord. They are not mutually exclusive. Romans 10: 9-11 says nothing of that which ye speak. Jesus said if you love me keep my commands. He did not say, because you love me you will keep my commands. Your statement is based upon work of the flesh as if Christ's finished work on the cross is insufficient. Peace be with you.
@@johnnygq7517
So by me saying one should be a "true follower" of Jesus Christ, did that confuse you? Your statement about salvation sounded more like "legalism" than a message of repentance:
First, turn from your wicked ways, secondly, now learn Christ.
@@johnnygq7517
You are silly!!!
Many people call Jesus Lord, but He is not their Savior; many people call Jesus Savior, but He is not their Lord. You seem like one one of these type.
You need to restudy the Scriptures again because you obviously lack knowledge. Good day.
You’re speaking as if it’s a fact. It’s not it’s an opinion, you cannot fully 100% guarantee anything. To me as an Atheist my opinion is that you’re wrong. So I do not believe I’m lost, rather I believe you’re the one who is lost. Though, no one can say for sure. Therefore, it is my opinion, do not speak of it as a fact.
@@zoexxjane
You people know absolutely nothing about fact, your whole view of life is void of reason and common sense
im a gay man my neighbors belong to your church there very rude to me god wouldnt like that your spot on
“If you declare with your mouth “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9). Now is the time to accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. Obey His commands and repent of your sins because Jesus is coming back soon. Tomorrow isn’t promised.
You must also turn away from the sins you confessed when you pray.
I get sick of Christians making jokes about “people who don’t know which bathroom to use” as if they were unfeeling objects. These are humans with hearts that have been hurt, with pain and suffering…you have no idea what they have gone through that got them to this point. Have consideration and compassion on every human you relate to.
Honestly.
@@thequeendream6162 feelings are not more important than God's commandments. Yes we should be kind to each other, and no, making such jokes are not nice or helpful but I will not compromise on our LORD to accommodate someone who needs help, love and saving- not a new bathroom.
If we don't make jokes we'd go crazy. Once again lefties continue to show that they have no ability to laugh. Enjoying someone else's misery is not humor. Joe made his choices that put him in that position so no I don't pity him. If anyone in his family had any compassion for him he would never have been allowed to campaign. What little he did.
@@thequeendream6162 yes !!
Jesus said, "If you love me, you will obey my commandments. " It's all about love for Christ, regardless of how I feel , how I identify, whatever my preferences may be. God has made His teaching on this issue very plain in His word. He is our Creator, let us put our faith in Him by loving Him and obeying Him. God bless.
Bro you spoke facts amen
Preach it brother
White noise.
Right! Now where in the commandments does it condemn homosexuality?
@@91savey LOL - who on earth cares... except heterosexuals?
I'm still growing in my belief so I'm just gonna keep my mouth shut, listen, and learn.
Brother we are all growing in our faith. We have a lifetime to experience God’s teaching in every situation. May our Lord bless you!
Check out voddie buchanan, Mike winger, stay away from Bethel ❤
Happy to see the comments section is still open.
Why?
@@jimmartin5309 often times a video that's particularly controversial will not have commenting enabled, because it gets messy down there
People are basically debating back and forth saying “Understand me!” ~ Welcome to life :p
Should be titled, "What LGBTQ doesn't get about God's word.
No
Don, what makes you say that?
@@timmatteson1922 God's word is plain for all to read. There are certain facts or truths woven into creation. We deceive ourselves if we claim otherwise. We cannot change males to females or females to male. Nor can we change the natural law of procreation. It takes a man and a woman to do so. It is impossible for two women or men to do. We as humans tend to shake our fist in God's face and proclaim, who are you to tell me who or what I am created for? This is not limited to people who claim LBGTQ. It also includes heterosexuals. The one thing that is clear, it never ends well when we reject God's order of creation or boundaries which is infinite and unchanging. We are all God's creation, loved enough by Him to send His Son to redeem us on the cross. Regardless of what sins enslave us, He is faithful to forgive us if we repent of our sins and deny ourselves, our ungodly wants and needs to follow Him. Thanks for your willingness to converse civility.
@@donbaldwin5384 I hope you’ll take the time to listen to some of Rosario’s longer messages. She does not endorse homosexual behavior in any way, shape, or form. She believes it is a sin (and I agree). The point of her short video here is to help Christians relate/talk to LGBTQ people in a way that will engage them and show them the grace and love of God.
@@timmatteson1922 will do
Enough is enough with oppressing lgbt people.
I am Christian, and I am Bisexual. I call myself Worthless everyday, And I feel so bad because I am not worthy of the Lord's forgiveness. I want to be straight. But I can't.
No, please don’t feel like that. None of us are worthy of God’s grace but God has redeemed us by His own Son. Have you tried talking to God about it, just tell him you truly want to surrender and find your identity in Him. I hope you feel better, have an awesome day.
You are loved by Christ!! You are made in His own image! Don’t sound worthless to me. Keep seeking Him, don’t loose hope. Praying for you Jennifer !
Then you’re not Christian
@@godschild483 hey, listen... They are actively trying to be better with God! Have you ever struggled with sin... Does that mean all of a sudden you are not a Christian anymore?
@King Biscuit are you trying to send people to hell?? Read the Bible
👆🏽 I love seeing Jesus in people. He didn’t shun sinners, he loved them regardless and told them the truth. She is right, everything is distorted by the original sin. Focusing condemnation towards homosexuals, transsexuals, Muslims, pagans etc is hateful. Being straight isn’t going to get you to heaven to spend eternity with God. Believing in his Son Jesus Christ, the fact he died for our sins and was risen again to give us all a second chance is what matters. Approaching someone and saying “Gay is sinful” instead of “how are you, are you okay? Did you know Jesus loves you?”
Thats not what the jews say, and how do you know they arent the ones who are right
Thats cool....just don't get mad if I dont celebrate them. They will get respect and kindness because they deserve that as a human. But not celebrating their lifestyle. Can they respect my choice not to celebrate them? If yes then its cool.
I don't think LGBT people are asking for a celebration, they are asking for acceptance as they are, so they don't have to hide their true self.
@@brankobelfranin8815 They literally DEMAND a month of celebration.
They demand to push their "acceptance" in public schools.
They literally sing songs about converting our children (sung by convicted cho Moes).
Yeah no. They demand celebration. It's to the point where kids are coming out as "different" in middle school, and then realizing they were straight all along before they even graduate high school.
They haven't been shamed in a long time, and now, just like we said, they're coming for your kids.
@@SeanWinters I know right
@@brankobelfranin8815 they are asking to be worshiped.
@@brankobelfranin8815 Really.... Pride month?
Think of it like this: All of us are liars. If you choose to be LGBTQ, it may be a sin, but its one sin (regarding that it doesnt involve sex outside of marriage). We lie ALL the time, and you and I know it! Do you think sining over and over again is worse than one sin, that was to be homosexual?
No.
Did you also know that Jesus CLEARLY states that there is only ONE unforgivable sin, To reject the Gift of eternal life (the Holy Spirit).
Anything extreme, Murder, cheating, adultery, stealing, and swearing can be forgiven by The Grace and Mercy of God.
It isnt the works that save us but our belief that Jesus is the Savior. Everything else is from the Grace and Mercy of our God.
Obviously, that does not mean you can do anything you want. There are many reasons in the Bible that tell you that you have to be as Christlike as you can. God can see what our hearts truly desire, and if its set on Him, You dont have to worry!
being LGBTQ is not a choice. it is the way people are born - sexuality is determined by birth. The Bible makes no reference to homosexuality or homosexual acts being a sin
You choose to be LGBT?
@@quint2857As an homosexual myself, being A PART of LGB is a choice, many gays doesn't like the community.
Still BEING HOMOSEXUAL or whatever you are is not.
Yahusha said "go and sin no more"
Joshua? Yeshua is Joshua according to the Bible.
@@johnnygq7517 yeshua is aramaic. Yahusha is paleo Hebrew. Yes Joshua had the same name.
@@johnnygq7517 Jesus is a translation of an already fake name. It is not his name.
@@johnnygq7517 Yahusha means Yah is deliverance. Yod hay uau shin ayin.
Can you see God? Have you ever seen Him? I've never seen the wind. I see the effects of the wind but I've never seen the wind. There's a mystery to it!
Listen. I’m a Christian and went through both homosexual feelings and trans feelings. And when I found Christ, it freed me. People think being a Christian will restrict you and make you feel trapped, but when you fully commit, it’s so freeing! Now I love everyone, as the Bible says I should do. Now yes, we all sin. And a true follower of Jesus will realize that they’ve sinned too and they’re not perfect. And I know I have sinned. Giving your life to Jesus will get rid of those feelings, like they did for me and so many people I know. It’s truly amazing what the Lord can do
I feel sorry for you repressing perfectly okay feelings in the name of a fictional fairytale.
@@princeytron how do you know those feelings are ok? Do we define what ok means? Different people might say that a poor person stealing small amount of money is ok. Is it?
Without something concrete to define it from, we don't know what's ok. And our God has shown lots of evidence of his existence, including miracles and prophecy.
@@theAstarrr Two consenting adults having homosexual relations is not harmful to anyone, which is why it is okay, unlike stealing.
@@theAstarrrmiracles and prophecy are just false connections, you have no proof that the reason miracles happen is because of a god
@@princeytron sounds like your in a lot of pain. Those okay feelings you describe bring only death, not life. Choose Jesus, only he can set you free.
The real issue is not gay/straight, it is indeed belief vs. unbelief. We are all distorted by sin, including me!
Is not the practice of ongoing sin unbelief? Repentance is turning to sin in faith/belief. It is necessary to hate your sin and so to love God.
@@briancasey4917 I'm sure she wasn't saying that you can live in ongoing sin. She simply pointed out that for LGBT it is more than behavior, it is an identity. But it is still no excuse. Did you know that she herself is a repentant lesbian?
@@briancasey4917 and did He hate the results of 1 Corinthians 10, or not? And were they what He expected, or not? Or for Leviticus 25:46? And how much free will, for that matter, was owed, to Gregory XIII, Torquemada, Calvin, Augustine, or others?
Relative to, well, not to put too fine a point on it - their victims? And their subjects.
Also, how many gay people would get a chance, to repent, historically? The same many witches, might have got, post Matthew 5:18, maybe....?
@@chrissonofpear1384 Everyone has or had a chance to repent. Everyone who is alive or has died has had a chance to repent. Everyone has free will. You chose to type what you just typed. Now will something happen because of that choice, who knows. But that doesn't change free will. You're taking bible verses out of context to prove your perspective. There is many things that should point us to God, but people use that to go against Him. God is above us. We cannot understand everything about Him or why everything happens the way it does because we are not God. His ways are higher than ours. When we try to use our "knowledge" and compare it to God, it is foolish.
That’s not a problem, people can believe in whatever they want. Regardless of what you think.
As a Christian my priority is standing firm on The Word as given in scripture and repenting of my sins so that I may follow our Heavenly Father's commandments in Jesus name, its not understanding or helping others to justify their sins. Praying for all to know The Way The Truth and The Life.
@@carildebeer4581 “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone-an image made by human design and skill. In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.” Acts 17:29-31
"Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?" Romans 2:4
“The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!” Mark 1:15
"Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth." Revelation 2:16
And many more....
@@carildebeer4581 we cannot repent from our sins? What??? This is Christianity 101. Go and sin no more Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery. Luke 5 Jesus says he didn't call the righteous but the sinner to repent. Matthew 4 Jesus said repent for the kingdom of God is at hand. Jesus is God. So don't sin in his presence and he's coming again. Acts 2 Peter said repent and be baptized. I've know drunkards who give up alcohol forever. Gamblers can stop gambling. Jesus died to pay the price for our sins past, present and future. We are forgiven if we stop sinning or not. Only those who believe and are born again are going to Heaven though. Some Christians believe Jesus existed but they are not born again.
Is it so hard for you to hear that you treat people as people instead of as patients?
Kindness is not helping someone to justify their sins.
@@carildebeer4581
Address sin and condemn are two entirely separate concepts.
Let he who is without is without sin throw the first stone.
Being kind doesn't save people but being cruel can most certainly damn them.
Christ was not cruel and if that is the version of Christ that you reflect to the world it should be no surprise that rational people don't want anything to do with you or your ideas of Christ's teachings.
2:09 - "Don't get side tracked with how people are identifying themselves??" But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler-not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.” 1 Corinthians 5: 11 -13. --------- how are we to interpret this woman's words/deeds in light of scripture? She advocates not being concerned with how somebody "identifies" themselves, while at the same time identifying as a LESBIAN as WHO SHE IS, versus A CHRIST FOLLOWER. She claims to be a sister, in Christ, yet lives in sexual immorality? the Word is clear, folks: DO NOT BE DECIEVED.
@Deuteronomy 29:29 She is still gay, but as long as she's not doing any homosexual activity, then she isn't sinning, just like an alcoholic is still an alcoholic whether or not they drink.
@@aloevera3317 the Bible says the thought alone is a sin.. she needs Jesus to save her
John 3:8 100 correct...she seems like she is trying to justifing a sin or downplay the seriousness of it..
@@chrisanok9283 "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
Matthew 5:28 NKJV
The Bible says lusting after someone is committing adultery and therefore a sin, not thinking about one's general attraction to women. Interpretations like yours are why the church ended up selling indulgences.
@@aloevera3317 you sound like you don't know Bible.. you said if shes gay but doesn't commit the sin it's not sin but then say looking with lust is a sin.. your the reason the church is confused now.. people like you contradiction yourself
EVERYONE falls short of Gods glory so dont judge. Dont act like your God
Some very disappointing comments on this thread. Matthew 28 tells us to GO and make disciples, not to sit and wait for them to come to us. May our hearts be broken for all who are lost. May our pride not hinder us from growing the kingdom.
And? Romans 2 :: NIV. You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
34 years ago God found me. 3 years later, the church I was attending fell apart due to false teaching and I fell I to sexual sin. I lived as a homosexual for 28 years. 20 years ago, I went to a pastor for prayer. I wanted to leave the homosexual lifestyle because I was so miserable. Walls went up. I was told to clean up my life before I come back to Christ. So, I started this journey to freedom which led to despair and then drug addiction. Finally, 3 years ago, God answered my prayed and met me where I was and gave me freedom. I wish it wouldn't have taken so long. Ideally, I wish the pastor would've prayed for me and helped me back to communion with God. But it wasn't to be. I think too many pastors and believers profess their faith in God, but deny God's power. No human flesh is so sinful as to make the work done at Calvary null and void.
It's a pity that Pastor didn't look in the mirror before he doled out such terrible advice. Kudos to you Bob for perseverance - a Godly trait. Stay within God's forgiveness both for yourself and for those others that didn't help you.
@@dodgeyzzz Thanks Michael!! That church doesn't exist anymore, so they must've had other doctrinal problems, also.
@@recm2504 I respect your feelings about it. God doesn't hate the LGBTQ people. He loves them as much as anyone else. Religion sucks, most Christians are religious. But you can have faith and practice that faith personally and that's what makes things happen in your life for good. Praying, Reading scriptures and thinking about how they might apply personally, and even meditation on the promises God made to us in scripture. Anyway, I didn't mean to carry on. I wish you peace. Love ya!!
I been fighting with my sexuality since I’ve gotten closer to god. And seeing this opened my eyes. I prayed countless times for god to make me straight and it didn’t happen. Like u said god meets you where u are and I’ve come to terms with it and never been happier. I’m so happy I saw this comment
definitely- all sin is a form of rebeliion and the core issue is not believing JESUS is Lord
Even unconscious?
@@chrissonofpear1384 please specify?
I can live with that response Lura Garcia, maybe some loose ends, but good response.
Thoughts on Corinthians 2:14, and inherited natures? Plus, for Ham?
After that,. info on fate of captives in Numbers 31:17?
@@chrissonofpear1384 sorry, I don't know how to answer your question, but I know someone who can.
Very well stated! Yes..our primary need is a relationship with God. We are all broken, in need of redemption!
I posted several Christ-centered statements about David Archuletta's coming out as bisexual LGBTQI; not a word was offensive and I didn't point any finger. Each post was removed. I see double standards about Christians who express themselves and gays who must have the last word.
What? David is bisexual?
No but why do you feel the need to comment or make “statements” about a persons identity?
Sad that this comment section is still consistently getting horrible bigoted comments from homophobic zealots.
"Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom *I am* the worst." 1 timothy 1:15
The point is simply this that sanctification of all sin is a process of continual salvation , a born again person cannot continue in sin, because they have the Spirt of God in them, who knows no sin.(1Jn3.6,9;5.18). To continue to say that we can have our sin no matter what it is, is a lie and deception, it is apostasy, this lady can no more be a practising lesbian than I can be an adulterer if she is truly born again. Read the scriptures posted here, the power to overcome all sin comes with the Holy Spirit, if we remain in practicing our sins we die, do not be deceived by this excuse for sin. We are to be overcomers in this life not those who are overcome by anything, nothing is promised to those who do not over come, we have no excuse we have the power of Christ in us.
If homosexuality is so bad, then why doesn't God take it away? Same-sex attracted individuals have prayed endlessly to have these feelings taken away. Sometimes, sadly, those feelings just get stronger. Why would God stack the deck against people, knowing how difficult these urges are to fight, knowing that they are programmed into all of us? I am a believer, but I just can't get past this question.
1. God answers in His time. Just because He hasn't answered them now, doesn't mean that He will not answer them at some point.
2. Some of them don't pray; they just say such statements to get sympathy.
3. Those who are truly tired of their sin will repent and be forgiven. Some of those in the lgbt community are not repentant of their sin and are therefore not forgiven. Those with a humble heart who recognize that they truly are sinning and need to turn away will be forgiven. Those who still harbor pride and behave as if they are not sinning will be opposed. God doesn't owe us forgiveness.
@@cantushea4659 1.You basically mean that you do not have an answer and I can tell you that the real reason a god doesn't answer is because a god doesn't exist.
2.Many borderline christians say that they pray just to fit in and not be ridiculed,this practice is not limited to homosexual people.
3.You need to attain more compassion and feelings for others.Heterosexuality and homosexuality alike are both attained though a mixture of evolutionary heritage.Do not lie to yourself and pretend that there is an invisible magic man in the sky,learn to love others and you will find true peace and love in your heart.
If there is no God, then we are all here by cosmic coincidence. We evolved from bacteria, or some other smaller unit of life. If the earth started as a molten rock and cooled over time, eventually gaining an atmosphere and began its journey to the earth we know today. Where did the first sign of life come from? Can non-life (molten rock) bring forth life? (Abiogenesis) Not trying to argue, just asking to see what your thoughts are about this question.
*Dave 63, **_If_** you really want to know the truth about LGBTQ issues, . . . search You Tube, "Part 2 - Secrets of the Demonic Realm - Power of Christ Jesus!"*
To who is the ransom paid, by the way?
To use the term “we Christian believe” is to present Christianity as just another worldview in a potluck of others to choose from. Christians should start with “the Lord says…” Apostles/Disciples didn’t try to understand the lives of non-believers, they present the Gospel in truth and love.
Very well put, Stephen!
It *is* just another religion.
christianity is just another worldview, it’s not facts, it’s not proven, and presenting christianity or religion as the truth and forcing it onto others is wrong. ALL religions should be accepting and understanding of everyone’s beliefs and identity, that’s what makes you a true follower. Presenting religion as facts causes an social environment of hate and segregation of those who do not agree.
@@bethanyferrari4817 Your post assumes the very thing you are trying to attack; absolute facts or truth. You make absolute statements without identifying the source or foundation of those statements. Christianity is founded on the revealed Word of God, Holy Scripture. What do you base your belief upon? If not the Truth of Scripture, it is not true or correct. Period.
@@stephenevans7574 How can you say you base it off of truth? Truth is something that is a fact. No one is 100% sure of anything, instead try saying faith or belief instead of truth. Because what’s “true” for you isn’t the same for anyone else.
And scripture is just a piece of paper, there is a lot of evidence that supports science and evolution, so many. But all you have is… a book. Christianity IS a worldview, not everyone believes it and it’s not absolute. Nothing in this world is absolute, and it’s mostly opinions, whether you believe something or not is an opinion. Most people say 2+2=4 is a fact, but is it a fact if you don’t believe it? You can choose not to believe 2+2=4 and that’s when it turns into an opinion. It’s a very hazy line, no one can actually say who is right or wrong. You can believe someone is right or wrong but that’s, again, an opinion.
God is very clear on this subject. It's not possible to twist his words to make u feel acceptable. We all fall short of the glory of God ,but if u choose to live in your sin and not fight against it then u will not Enter the kingdom of heaven .
I am having a breakdown rn i am just so tired i just wnat to bea Christianit without being bullied i m bi im tired i can't seee i8d
Huh only 3 months ago since my mental everything crisis that lasted almost a week
I'm no longer a christian and atheist if you will
Yes I'm gay yes idc yes I'm tired
Sin is sin. Rarely, but at times, we hear from people who could identify themselves with the above acronym, but do not, since they are repentant. The following applies to all, as Jesus says: "I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners and need to repent." (Luke 5:32)
Amen.
And to fill in other gaps?
Corrupt translation. An inaccurate interpretation. Don't hesitate to throw it into the trash.
Jesus said that he did not come to save the righteous but call the dinner to repentance.
In other words they that are righteous would not need to be saved. This idea is reinforced when he said that they that are whole need not a physician.
Big difference. Modern translations do little to facilitate understanding and do less to edify. Their goal is to make money.
@@danmarley2886 remind me who jeopardized them again, and why Satan was owed access to people, who did not know good from evil, but must make such a choice, too...?
Also, how called, protected, or given a hair's notice, were medieval, Spanish Jews...?
@@chrissonofpear1384 Did I say that or is this a pretext for sophistry or the wresting of scriptures?
Or maybe these questions were meant for someone else that is familiar with your line of query. Peace!
In my personal opinion; The Gospel offends any sinner. We can take time to know people and indeed we do. We can identify areas where we have similarities. But if you are faithful to tell the Gospel as it is, you are going to offend people. It's going to be identified as hate no matter how it is put especially now more than ever when it is seen as a personality. Liars, thieves, murderers, agnostics, members of other religions and cults also know no identity outside of sin and they have the same reason to reject the gospel as the LGBT. The idea that we have made a unique exception of one group has put us at a place where it becomes even harder to reach out to them in truth.
It is much better to receive open hate and ridicule for not looking like your love your neighbor to the world, to be misunderstood in your attempts to show the sinner's radical disagreement with God than a false allegiance that puts both you and them in harm's way.
Agreed, but it seems like there's a difference between someone who lies, steals, or kills and someone who loves another person of the same gender. One is doing things to hurt people - as well as God, the other simply wants to live their life with the person they love. Problem is we conflate and confuse the two.
@@denisemayosky1955 Everyone wants to live their lives with the person they love. Even thieves.
Well said
If that’s how you feel, then read the whole Bible. Don’t just pick and choose. Yes, every Christian does pick and choose
@@jondstewart Well, how does your advice apply if it's something Christians do without fail? If you've never seen a Christian who's not picked and chosen, how do you know reading the whole Bible solves the issue?
Over simplistic babble.
1 Timothy 2:12-14 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
@Jessie Crystal 2Pe 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
2Pe 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
2Pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
@Jessie Crystal *Recite: repeat aloud or declaim (a poem or passage) from memory before an audience.* Just stop. You misused the very first word in your reply yet you expect to wrestle with higher thought. Quit. Fools like you are talked about throughout the Bible. The irony that you yourself are evidence for what you don't believe in is awesome. Your stupidity is embarrassing.
@Jessie Crystal Buy a dictionary and put it to use. You spout and parrot typical Panbabylonialist slop. You sound/write like a community college freshman who took a comparative religions class and now thinks they're a seasoned and educated theologist. Maybe you would learn properly and realize your idiocy were it not for your case of Dunning-Kruger. Bye, Felicia.
Some* Christians. Plenty of lgb people are still Christian and understand lgb people fine.
If communication and understanding is in fact a two way street... then it’s not just Christians who should seek out the LBGT community to understand them better.... should not the LGBT community be equally compelled to seek out the Christian community for greater understanding of them? Why is the expectation for acceptance and understanding solely to be shoulder by the Christian?
Thank you. Those are my thoughts exactly.
Good idea, in principle, @Mary Beth Leib - but where do you suggest they start? Which community should they ask - as there are multiple versions of the Christian community? And to be frank, multiple Christianities, too.
And how much chance, did gay people get, to consider anything, or decide if conversion, or alteration, or metanoia, would even be offered to them, for the last 1600 years? Is it likely, say, that Matthew 5:18, decided their fate for them, in advance, in many Christian nations, that might keep many old punishments, in vogue, biblically?
Otherwise, it's a solid idea, so don't let me discourage you, over much.
I suppose one might ask Spanish Jews the same question, of course - but they'd want some stuff cleared up, likely, in advance.
@@chrissonofpear1384 Matthew 5:18 context had nothing to do with peoples fate or life being decided for them. God knows the beginning from the end so Him telling us what is going to happen is proof to us that He is Almighty God. Everyone has free will. All because God knows what we will do does not take away from what we do. God knew I was going to be playing basketball, but it was because I went to school and joined the team in working out that I played basketball. I also believe it is important to try to understand the LGBTQ community, as well as try to understand everyone in the world and love them.
Btw here is the context of Matthew 5:18-
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
@@isaiahyoung5586 Not as such, if He then stops caring or paying attention, to, other major crises.
Why should medieval Jews trust this being, who did so little to protect or contextualize their fates? From Augustine, Torquemada, or others...
Also, would you have cured many LGQTB people, or done what was often done, to 'witches', say, if you lived 500 years ago...? All that is very Matthew 5:18, too.
@@chrissonofpear1384 At the end of the day God is God. Whether or not you trust Him, He is God. It's not about me, or the LGBT community, or witches. It's about God. People have had the chance to believe in Jesus, if they choose not to then that's on them, but whether or not anyone ever believed, God will still be God. Once again you're taking bible verses out of context.You're trying to use what you call "wisdom". But that is not wisdom. Your "wisdom" is foolish compared to God. We don't even know how many strands of hair we have. We can't even control our next breath. God's ways are higher than ours and His thoughts are higher than ours.
I guess freedom of religion and following it, agreeing to it, not compromising the religion and the Word, living the life and not forcing their religion down others throat is apparently banned, out of style it's not applied for Americans and...let's face it...the World thinks we are just plain wrong.
Society needs to look at the amendments. I don't want my rights to be taken away from serving my God to bowing down to mankind. But that doesn't give me the right to treat people any kind of way. Love, kindness, acceptance and respect is the key.
When our paths cross why can't we accept that we don't agree with each other, not force to agree and not exalt ourselves over each other and live in peace. In the words of Meagan Good, "You do you and I do me."
Before I received Christ, I had addictions and lusts. You think my flesh wanted to give those up? Nope. Do I still go around calling myself an addict? Nope. Does the Holy Spirit continue to give me the strength to deny lustful desires causing the devil to flee? Yes. Praise be to Jesus. I pray she gets to the point and comes into agreement with God that homosexuality needs to be turned away from and she can walk in the Spirit and defeat her fleshly lusts and perversion by the power of the Holy Spirit.🙏🏻 She'll possibly still struggle with same sex attraction occasionally but she can overcome it with Jesus. Now, before someone says those can't be compared, I'd say you don't know how much my flesh loved my addictions, but I overcame. Does my flesh still desire it every now and then? Yes, but with the power of the Holy Spirit nothing is my Master but the Lord.
Comical. Stuttering. Repeating words. Over complication of sentances and words. Manipulation of God's word. 😅
I’m sure Jesus would admire you for hating on a particular group
manipulation of what is already manipulation 😅
"They feed their dogs." Whew! Changed my mind on that one.
You must have missed the part about listening. 👎🏻
well-thought out answer!
Exodus 20:18-21. What they don’t get - they’re making war on the Lord God Almighty
The righteous requirements of the law are satisfied in Christ. Salvation is common offered to all n any who hear the gospel. First, hear the word of God. Then comes faith. Romans 10, 17.
I have to say: I didn’t “identify as” lgbt. I was *identified.*
In the past, they simply talked about “people who do x, y, and z.” It was only when people, such as Freud, started inventing theories to explain why some people act in ways they didn’t understand that lgbt groups started to crystallize into “identities”. When this happened, the option of remaining closeted and doing the same as everyone else got subtly undermined. Now, spouses had cause for suspicion if their spouses showed insufficient sexual interest and the military had cause to screen *drafted* recruits for proclivities that may or may not have been acted upon. Lgbt were now, themselves, informed of what they were and that they were “impostures”.
In this condition, there wasn’t much option but to co-opt this identification, because passivity meant living as an “infiltrator”. Fortunately for them, this coincided with the sexual revolution, so there was a basis on which to co-opt this and frame it effectively. The sexual revolution, however, also gave spouses cause to want their partners to be attracted to them. So, these push and pull factors made identification all but unavoidable.
Maybe we should be puritans or maybe we should be completely open. I have my opinions on which, but, whichever it is, it isn’t cool to compel folks to abide by two, mutually contradictory, sets of requirements.
@somexp12, I'm not sure how you got to the place of having puritanicalism or complete sexual license as the only two options. In my admittedly Christian walk, I'm continually confronted with ways that my natural bent opposes what God says is best for me and for guiding my interractions with those around me. I agree with the woman in the video that we all have a longing for an eternal relationship with our loving creator. It is through that relationship that I see myself most clearly. I hope that everyone, including you, can know the joy of being intimately connected to the lover of our souls who knows us best and still chooses to love us.
You claim that the sexual revolution gave spouses cause to want their spouses
to be attracted to them.
As if spouses had never wished that from each other before the 1960s ?!?
What do you mean specificallly ??
Else I must ask you what planet you are on.
@ing-mariekoppel1637
No, I don't think the sexual revolution is what made people want their spouses to be attracted. You're misreading it if that is your interpretation.
What I mean is that, to the extent that homosexuality as an "identity" was socially constructed, this was done originally *from without.* The woman in this video uses a lot of language that could imply she socially constructed herself into being gay. She uses that word, "identify," a lot. Maybe lesbians or bisexuals have this power (more likely the reality is just more vague for them), but gay men do not.
Homosexuals didn't will themselves into existence. They were already always there. For a long time, however, most of them simply did what everyone else around them did. Because, what else would they do? It was the *outside world* that first defined them as a distinct type of person, and gay activism first came about as a response to the resultant witch-hunt.
So, gay people didn't get that way by choosing to identify, as she implies. They already had something different about them, and it was outsiders who identified them, inventing lurid stories about them, and this forced them to take control of this imposed identity.
No one thinks this. This is so absolutely ridiculous. The “real” issue in every lost heart is rebellion. It doesn’t matter what form the sin takes, but boy oh boy do we all love our own particular sin enough to make an apologetic for it. This is gaslighting at its best. TGC once again giving such “helpful” analytical tools for the church to get confused with as it attempts to carry out the Great Commission.
Many people think that many people think this. Many people also would regard the term 'lost heart' (see how I put quotation marks there, just like you did around that complicated word......real) as fatuous and moronic. I for one am immensely curious as to what the actual fuck the 'great commission' is (see, I used the quotation marks again, but didn't capitalise the term). Is that little term/title recognised as a proper noun - an actual title? I'd certainly need more information before I could make my left little finger purge the energy within it to press that shift button......and not to take the proverbial piss out of the term instead, of course, using all of my little evolved fingers. And......sin? I would regard the manner in which you composed your little diatribe above as a sin against the written form of the language of the skies, but I guess it's all subjective. Please provide a 'helpful' (copy and paste there) response to the readers: I can smell their bated breath from wherever I am.
@@keeperofwickets1781 You're a smart cookie. Funny thing is, I know enough people to know that you'll end up Christian. Real Christians come off as real human beings, if you meet any. You're just unpolished by Christ, I think. You would be surprised the dimensional shift effect you feel when your perception modifies to the truth... you'll feel like face-palming yourself.
@@TarzanHedgepeth Does the Old Testament have double-spaces in-between its cretinous sentences as well? Perhaps you can provide some enlightenment on when and why that baffling trend began.....🤔 And while we're here: the, and I quote, 'funny thing is', you knowing an arbitrary number of examples of the human species in its current form providing you with sufficient data to know that I/me/myself will lose lucidity sufficient to the extent that somewhere/when in the remaining 30-odd rotations of our planet that I may have left to me, I'll suddenly regress to accepting that an amalgam character (Hey Zuess) - manufactured as a concept from a bunch of random 'prophets' from what we call the Middle East - was the fleshy form of a deity that was invented by humans from said region, based on at least two (samples of more than that) previously existing sets of nonsense (because......why re-invent the wheel), is absolutely.......well, expected. Standard. Standard ops, as we'd say in my realm. Unsurprising, in other words. The only thing that was unsurprising was that you didn't smash the shift key when typing the word truth. I applaud you for that....not literally, obviously.......my hands are otherwise occupied.
They say MONEY is the root of all evil and perhaps it is. What about JUDGEMENT? Anyone who judges other people in a negative way is actually portraying themselves in a negative way. Perhaps, if they want to live life in a peaceful and spiritual way, they should try minding their own damn business?! Just saying.
On the issue of not focusing on individual sins but sin itself: Yes I agree to some degree, many Christians tend to get so unbalanced and focus on one specific sin to the point where it almost becomes an idol to them. Everything begins to revolve around that 1 sin and the message of the Gospel gets lost. HOWEVER, I am not aware of many other sins which people are so proud to define themselves with. It's also one of the only sins I am aware of of which directly attacks the truth of scripture by claiming you can be actively homosexual and Christian. I'm not aware of any communities which teach you can be an actively murderous Christian, or an actively adulterous Christian, or an actively covetous Christian etc.
While it's true that the wages for ALL sin is death, it seems to me that not all sins have the same effects or consequences in our lives. I think the seriousness of homosexuality and other sexual immorality should be a warning sign to us that the nations are falling further and further under God's judgement. God is slowly but surely giving mankind over to the deepest, darkest desires of our hearts and it is a terrifying thing to behold.
C C How about turning around what you just said and look at it from another perspective...
For decades it has been perfectly acceptable to fornicate, lust, and very few people said anything about this. One homosexual pops up on TV and protests, death threats, violence, and vandalism occurs. LGBTQ people Have been tortured, harassed, rejected, ostracized, lost jobs, family members, friends, housing situations, just for being gay. Have you ever heard of anyone losing a job because some guy is having sex with his girlfriend?
Yes, there needs to be a community for these people and there needs to be a sense of unity. Without it, suicide rates increase and nothing gets better.
That is why you see a community of people who come together with the understanding that they’re different than everyone else. This does not occur in heterosexual populations and that’s why you see the difference.
Very much what's said in Romans 1. And you're right, lgbtq gets so much attention from the church today because they and the culture as a whole are posing and posturing for it, they are parading it around, they are the ones demanding that they not only be accepted but celebrated without reservation. They are the ones defining themselves by their sexual practices. They are the ones demanding the various forms of media, such as movies and TV shows, represent them and represent them positively.
And what is don£ for altar boys, now?
Also, s£xual consb£nt in Dut£rnomy 20:20 and Numb£rs 31:17?
Kyle Blake can I talk to you?
First and foremost, most Queer people do not accept your presumption that Queerness is sinful.
Secondly Queer people don’t define themselves around their sexuality, their identification with the group is one of culture, politics and survival. Queer community exists because outside circumstance which force us together.
Saying it’s just a obsession with sexuality ignores all the relevant cultural factors.
Also, Queer Christians exist. As I’ve already said before most Queer people don’t accept the premise that homosexuality or Queerness is sinful so it provides no issue in their Christian walk. Secondly, the grace of God is not limited to certain sins. Your faith doesn’t dissolve if you have an affair anymore than it dissolves when you make a moral error. The length of a sin does not make it strong enough to overcome God’s forgiveness.
And to your last point, of Queer people as an indicator of cultural health, it’s nonsense. I’m sorry but not executing people for breaches of normalcy is not a sign of the end of the West; rather it is the extension of Christian values.
Jesus says man is made for woman .woman for man period.there flesh becomes one..
This is not the gospel.
And you are why I refuse to hire Christians or homophobic heterosexuals. I am firmly bigoted against you folk and always will be. My business has thrived ever since I started screening applicants accordingly, and firing the religious nutters (which is usually easy because they cause trouble).
You sound pretty hateful Sebastian
@@debbiebullard2090 Sure - and with good reason. people don't become hateful just for fun.
Are you this hateful towards people of muslim, Hindu, or any other religion? Or just singling out Christians because you think it’s fun (and cowardly) because Christians are “supposed to take it”. There’s laws protecting Christians against people like you.
@@debbiebullard2090 When there are laws that are completely equal when dealing with GLBTQI+ folk - offering equal employment security, opportunity, and discrimination protection - I will abide by the law. Until then, I will happily break the law. I challenge you to prove it. PS - yes I am bigoted toward ALL religious fundamentalists, and ALL homophobic heteros. I will not have homophobes amongst my employees. YOU hire them. Why the hell should I subsidise a lifestyle that I find morally reprehensible? Good grief!
That is really well said. Thanks for this
Is there going to be a video on what the church doesn’t get about pedophiles or perhaps rapists? you focus much too much on lgbt, it’s almost like u don’t understand that they are people too
My fear is that you would cater the gospel to lgbt, special made, to order
Faith in Jesus is our only message, rejecting Jesus is the sin that sends ppl to hell
Christians who don’t treat lgbt like people, do that, not because they don’t understand lgbt (not to say that they do understand lgbt) but because they don’t understand the gospel
Whoever u are, whatever u are, as long as you bear the seed of Adam, ur focus should be on Jesus Christ the son of God…alone
I agree we should focus on Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ did say if you love me then you will abide by the laws of our Father.
No person who engages in sexual activity outside of the marriage of a man and woman will inherit the Kingdom. Only those who repent of engaging in such behavior and put it in their rearview mirror have an opportunity to enter into the Kingdom.
Please read her book "Secret Thoughts of an Unlikely Convert" before you jump to conclusions about her.
Well, the thing is, they often DON't FEEL they HAVE to 'get' things, because they ASSUME they've been told everything already...
He can do that, IF, Boldly Setting, you can GUARANTEE, that it spells out WHY they were permitted ANY access to Earth, in the FIRST place...
@Aubrey in what way do you think that she is stupid? (Someone who was a tenured English professor is not stupid by most people’s estimation.)
Andrew K. ENGLISH PROFESSOR, not politics professor, don’t make the mistake buddy.
Her Book is not final authority. God so loved...the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
Its not about how smart, stupid, ignorant, educated, uneducated, political, non-political, religious, or not religious...will you reject the only Saviour or believe He died for your sins. Read John 3:3, 16-19, & 3:36.
Paul writes all unrepented sins including homosexuality will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Period! If you think God is going to change his mind you have been deceived by satan. God does love you but you must remember God is Holy and he can’t be in the presence of sin.
@@jessiecrystal Paul was speaking through the the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
@@jessiecrystal Please don’t blaspheme the Holy Spirit. That sin is totally unforgivable. Jesus said anyone who does this will not find forgiveness from the Father. If you don’t believe me look it up.
@@jessiecrystal Doesn’t matter what the constitution guarantees, God’s decision is final. Besides I am concerned about your soul and eternity. God loves you to much to see you perish. I am not trying to offend you just the opposite.
@@jessiecrystal God doesn’t condemn us we do it to ourselves . God wants us to choose life accept Jesus and receive the free gift of salvation. I can’t convince you that God is real. You already know he exist in your heart. Stop fighting him and yield to his love for you. Once you do the joy of presence in your life with be overwhelming.
@@jessiecrystal The constitution doesn’t guarantee you life. Believing in Jesus does that and more. Do I believe in America yes but my allegiance is Jesus my creator. The rights of the constitution for believers of Jesus is being tested every day. One day they will test you unless your mind is made to follow the crowd.
I've been trying for so long how to explain what she did just within 3 minutes! God's wisdom is in her life. Thank you!
GOD ONLY SAVES FOLKS THAT LOVE AND WORSHIP JESUS CHRIST - TO HEAVEN - ALL OTHER WILL BE TORMENTED IN H-E-L-L FIRE !!
She is spewing lies oh my goodness please do not listen to her.
What are you talking about Julio?
@@lovejoypeaceforever worships which version, again? And which one chose to do nothing about pogroms, slavery, schisms, or the Inquisition? It would be neat, to have just a little, ah, context, here.
Also, how many kids would automatically trust and love the God mentioned in Hosea 9:12, 1 Samuel 15, 2 Samuel 15, and Joshua 7?
@@chrissonofpear1384 which context were you looking for? 21 Century London? Or are we still dwelling in Old Testament times? I do realise we might as well be sometimes but it's a very clever way of not having a discussion as people can't really answer for things done centuries ago. Times have changed. But I understand some people prefer to live in the past.
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
2 Timothy 4:3
I see this was published in 2015. A lot has changed since then.
Not for Christians. Our beliefs have never changed. God still considers any sexual action outside of marriage as sin
Jesus: Go and sin no more.
Modern people: no, you didn’t listen to my story and weren’t kind to me
Couldn't care less for your Jesus. If a fundamentalist Christian sets his foot on my business premises looking for work..I make him a nice cup of coffee and ask him to kindly seek employment elsewhere. I usually use the line "Sorry, but you are not what we are looking for, but thank you for applying."
@@sebastianmelmoth685 religion is corrupt and i think if christian and catholic owners of a business is allowed to do this to their employees then it’s completely justifiable that you do the same to them.
Prejudice and hate stems from ignorance.
13 The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate. Proverbs 8: 13
@@starofwonder1810 Why do people ignore the 48 verses that calls all forms of sexual perversion a sin and is Abominable to the Lord. They are there, read them.
Hate is taught. A shame that the Bible is used for something like that.
Yes Amen agree
Is it du£ to it having gaps in it?
I always been lesbian and i love God. He made me and hes the only one who matters. The hate of others will be punished.
Be honest: were you molested, raped, or beaten (by a male or female) in childhood or youth?
Dear Kamren, would you tell the police that you really like them and apreciate their work very much, but you don't see it as a problem to cross the straighlight when it signals red. Do you think that the police will say: "Okay we understand that you have some problems with the red colour at the straightlight so you as a special person who apreciate us the police is free to cross the red straightlights.
How is it with Gods "command": "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, BE FRUITFULL, AND MULTIPLY, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."
GENESIS 1, 28
How will it be possible for you to fulfill this words? Did God a mistake when He created us? Should He not have said: "Well there is a small minority that will decide for themselves if they like to submit to My commandments.
They can do as they like as long they accept Me and My other rules and commandments."
It's like inviting guests into your house and one of them is starting to smash your cups and after doing so he will tell you that he really likes and apreciate you but he has a huge problem with cups. He must smash and destroy them. So be nice and kind and accept his "problem". What will you say to your guest? "Oh that's no problem! If you feel this way than you can do as you like as long as you won't destroy my other stuff too!
You surely will tell this guy: "Thank you for telling me about your problem, but you will have to replace my cups and for next time I am sorry to tell you that I cannot invite you to my home!"
@@Cole205Be honest: were you indoctrinated into believing these fairytale Bible stories in childhood or youth?
@@roscowbrown3937 yo my original comment was cens0red so I don't even remember what you're replying to. I'm not Christian but Lesbians are damaged people and abuse eachother more than even BMWF marriages.
Repent, be Baptized and as a gift receive The Holy Spirit
Acts 2-38
People, those that don’t defend this post or exposing their own prejudices, fears, biases, and hiding behind the Bible. People will always say God’s word is straightforward when it comes to homosexuality, but scriptures on how women and slaves are to be treated and consumption of certain foods are under interpretation.
This is a really challenging time for me and my siblings. We are close to vacating our rented apartment which my parents rented before they passed on a few months back. Our landlord has no ears for excuses despite what we’ve been going through. I have school projects at hand and facing risks of dropping out Please help me whichever way. I know it’s really shameful to ask for help on here but I have no option and can’t keep mute any longer. I have seek help from family and friends and those around me and no one has come to my aide. Please I genuinely need help as I am currently thinking of giving my life up so as to sleep off and never wake up to see this dilemma. Having to eat once a day is a miracle. I have never been through such when I had my parents I never knew life could be this difficult please I really need help.
Brother first seek help from your local church. They have resources to learn your next step. Our Father in Heaven wants to help, seek out his wisdom. Look back six months from now and see how God worked in your life.
Which version of gospel do you read? God condemns man to man and women to women marriages ...
If your heterosexual and someone said you need to now be attracted to and date your same sex. You couldn't do that because you were not born that way.
Good point... It would be like telling a dead person to awake. Gosh, if only there was something out there that could change my nature at a fundamental level and give me a new heart with new desires. Ephesians 2:1-10
Morgan Biel God can!
You also can't tell a pedophile to stop preferring prepubescent children, but it's still wrong to act on.
Carlos the fact that you can even compare those two things shows your ignorance! Pedophilia is wrong because 1. A child can’t consent. 2. It’s harmful to children, and 3, it’s just straight up sick!
*Evan C, **_If_** you really want to know the truth about LGBTQ issues, . . . search You Tube, "Part 2 - Secrets of the Demonic Realm - Power of Christ Jesus!"*
There are 2 types of people. Those they believe in The One True God and those that don't. As Jesus said, if you love me you will follow my commandments. Its not complicated at all.
This is sad. New Christians, don't be decieved.
Is it a flesh or faith issue?
If you treat us differently because we’re not straight, just say you’re homophobic and move on.
Shut up
You guys are repetitive like shit..
@@goodbye6676 I’m sayin 💀
@@goodbye6676 As we should, just say you don’t like us instead of interacting and being homophobic. 🤦🏾♂️
@@aurysherrera3036No.
I think what she's saying here is not to just go beating someone over the head about their sin and talking about judgement for it. While I know the sin needs to be addressed, what I took from this was there should be an approach that sin in general has tarnished and warped the views of the world as a whole and we need to give Jesus ALL of us, not just one part. Most people focus on one aspect of sin in their life neglecting the plethora of other sins that will eternally separate them from God but we have to give God ALL of our heart. As long as you start, He will work out the rest.
What a fancy way to say "I don't care what the bible says, I want to do what I want to do". Being saved means to recognize the authority of God and recognizing that Jesus is the Lord of all. Now that you know that God is the highest authority all we think must be judged by His Word. Our desires must be brought into line with the bible. All of the bible not just what we choose.
It’s funny how it wasn’t even said in the Bible, and how “God” is the on that created homosexuals in the first place. If he hates it so much why would he do that?
I would just say that we don't follow "All of the Bible" even as Christians. The old testament is looked at as analogies to how we should live, not taken literally. If we did the exact things done in the old testament of the Bible, we would be a lot less loving and forgiving. The new testament is to guide our daily steps.
God created a butthole to expel waste poop. It's not a way to reproduce.
What part of recognizing the authority of God means that you should be a dehumanizing asshole who treats other broken people like their sin incarnate⸮
It seems very strange that someone can commit a sin by NOT believing something; especially a religious ideology.
Good points. Constantly the world pushes how wonderful diversity is, but essentially we are all individuals who often get lost or diluted in these broad swathes of description.
God plainly states its a sin.He didnt say. Its a sin unless you are nice to your dogs and have kids .
So you can be as nice as you want and still go to hell.Sin is Sin and it wont be allowed in Heven.
The Gospel Coalition is so far left now. Completely radicalized. Heartbreaking
Is it a sin to have different political leanings?
So, now it’s left-leaning to understand people that you intend to minister to? Or to choose to not demonize them for the sin that challenges them?
Aren’t those both things that Jesus did? Isn’t it the grace of Christ that transformed us? 🧐
@@ryandsetfree lemme know when it's self evident, ala John 14:12, I guess?
We did not see it so clearly, i guess, in Augustine, Calvin, Torquemada, and others. Or in Kenneth Copeland.
How so? I’ve always found them to be quite conservative.
Thank you for this
We all have the image of God on us, God loves his creatures (all of us), whether you are gay or an adulterer, he hates the sin but loves the sinner, Jesus died for all…ALL….he asks that we love our niebor as ourselves, and show mercy to each other…his Grace will suffice for anything else….I appreciate what you are trying to communicate sister….carry on in peace
But also consider the question: why is it a sin to begin with?
but why is being a sin to begin with ?
God sends sinners to hell.
We had a trans man come to our church in VT. We showed him the love of God. We also told him that what he was involved in was the result of sin. He'd been saved as a kid but fell into this cross dressing and identity issue. He started dressing as a man and faithfully coming to church.
This approach sounds nice when you are talking one on one with someone, but when declaring the word of God it must be shouted as many of the forefathers, John the baptist and even Jesus preached, for all of mankind to 'Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand'. Dressing up sin doesn't make it less offensive in the sight of God, always remember God destroyed two cities for this behaviour, He didn't come down and say to them well 'people are people'. He hated it as it was a stench in His nostrils and anyone who chooses to remain in sin, well judgment comes, that's for all of us (me as well).
Jesus never condemned people but He also never condoned sin. He reminded all who were listening to His teachings and believed to repent and turn to God for salvation. The gospel should always be preached with the truth, and that is this - that we are sinners in need of a Savior and God provided one through His only begotten Son. Repent and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ for it is the power of God unto salvation. Amen.
@@JackWc22 Again the gospel must be declared. Sinners, that's all of us, need to know we are in sin when we live our own lives our own way instead of looking to salvation in God. The preaching of calling sin sin is looked as harsh but it is the reason why many have come to faith because we were told that we are sinners living in darkness and in need of saving and the warning must be given so we can awake and run to safety in the ark of God in Christ because judgment is coming for all saints first and all others. The world wants to passify sin and fleshly lusts but the word says to flee it. I agree we are to teach in love but its because of His love we are told to repent and turn to Him for salvation. Christ came to call sinners not the righteous and the ones who are lukewarm about sin. Blessings.
Okay Anita Bryant, and how has preaching at the gays helped⸮
@@Grokford by the preaching of His word many have heard and believe and turned to God for salvation others have rejected.
@@terryrambarran5917 and many more have killed themselves or been killed by the people that preaching emboldened.
Rhetoric is not helpful.
Christians despise what god despise. God hates sin, and Christians hate sin too. Homosexuality is a sin, but not a human, so you can be saved through Jesus
I did not understand a word this woman said... maybe it´s my bad, as a Christian I tend to filter everything with the Word of God, and I can´t grasp any Biblical truth here.
The Christian faith, in its essence, is simply friendship with God. So many get lost with rules of do's and don'ts. Now, that said, someone who knows and loves the Lord will 'hunger and thirst' for righteousness. Their chief goal, their only goal, is to please God, in every way, by following what is written in the Word of God.
My question for fellow Christians is, how do you know that you are saved? Is because you have 'evidence' of your salvation (you, being the judge?) or is it because you know God personally? For example, are you filled with the Holy Spirit (tongues being optional)? Do you have the 'down payment' of the Holy Spirit, your ONLY assurance of salvation (Eph. 1.14)? Are you seated in the heavenlies with Christ (Eph 2.6)? It is difficult to be seated in the heavenlies - and not know it! How could you meet God and say, "I think I know God"?
For example, Jesus said, "Whoever believes in me will have rivers of living water..." The contrapositive of that is, if you do not have rivers of living water, you do not know Jesus! Do you have rivers of living water? If not, Jesus said, "Ask, and you shall receive." Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
TGC needs to be careful who they allow to represent the Gospel Of Jesus Christ This dear lady has a a compassionate heart but most understand what the Scriptures teach and tell the truth about Sin, people and Christ.
What of seeming gaps in them though?
And why was Satan owed anything?
What the? I’ve never met anyone, myself included that thinks anyone is a seperate species.
Jesus came to save sinners.
All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
I do mostly agree with this, but I say mostly because there's something missing, haha. Growing up, how you present things is exactly how I saw things. It still is. BUT these days, the LGBT community has developed an ideology which they push on *everyone*. People who are gay or trans often don't just use these words to describe their attractions or feelings, but as a core part of their identity that should never be challenged.
When you add in that their ideology is being pushed even on kindergarteners, and Christians smeared in the media constantly for saying something against it, even to the point of losing their jobs and such.... the issue ends up getting a laser-focus that we don't apply to most other sins, as well as a 'popular view' of what Christians think which isn't necessarily accurate, and I think that skews people's perception of the issue.
It's true that the biggest thing is whether we believe that Jesus saved us. Absolutely. But when a person is gay or trans, it's also a big deal - we're not supposed to just ignore a sin cos it's not the biggest sin, and in an environment where that one sin becomes the core of a person's identity and is seen as something to be celebrated and never questioned or criticized, it can become an idol - and how do you replace an idol with God without addressing the fact of the idol's existence?
@@usernotfound5956 It's a big deal to me cos they MAKE it a big deal. I never used to care much about it, but you can't escape it now, it's everywhere, being shoved down our throats from so many sources that you can't avoid it. And I think you didn't read what I said properly. I didn't say being gay is an ideology, and it isnt. But certainly, the ideas that homosexuality is always inborn and immutable, that it's morally neutral, that we should all wear rainbows and parade around proclaiming how great it is in the streets, or that we should teach kids that it's normal ALL ARE BELIEFS PART OF AN IDEOLOGICAL FRAMEWORK. Once that's in our faces ALL THE TIME.
I also love how somehow it all comes back to not bullying gay kids. Growing up, the gay kids I knew didn't get bullied anymore than anyone else did. Statistically, you're a lot more likely to get bullied for your appearance, social status, or financial position than your sexuality. And what makes you think the only way to not bully someone is to teach everyone to AGREE with them? What a crazy idea that is. It's much better to teach kids to treat others with common decency no matter what they think of the other kid.
Which spills over into who is really being mistreated here. Is it gay people who are having their businesses closed down, being told they can't be public figures, being kicked out of their jobs, having their institutions vandalized and threatened, being told they shouldn't be able to teach their kids their belief systems.... no, no that would be reserved for Christians, not gay people. I mean, look at the case of Israel Folau, who is being threatened with being kicked out of professional sports cos he posted a Bible verse listing a whole group of people, including gay people, who will be judged as sinners by God, while other players who beat their spouses and kicked their pregnant wives in the stomachs got off with a relative slap on the wrist professionally. Yes, apparently, saying gay people are sinners is even more professionally & socially suicidal than actual wife-beating.
Lastly, have you ever read the Bible beyond that one verse? We're all sinners, yes, and I know I'm one too. But that doesn't mean we have an excuse to continue sinning or to support others in their sinful nature. Nobody looks at an adulterer and says, "Hey, you were just born with a wandering eye, so you do you! Go out and sleep with whoever you want, and if your wife hates it, well she's just a bigot for not supporting your needs & identity!" *eyeroll* Nobody says that, and we're not supposed to. Jesus died to save us from sin, and *often* told people to *stop sinning*, as did his disciples. OFTEN. Cos the point of it all is that *sin is bad*. What makes you think gay people should get special treatment in their sin, when other sinners don't?
aerialpunk exactly!
My biggest problem was when she said that 'Being an unbeliever was my greatest sin'. Okay. time to unpack.
Being an unbeliever ISN'T a sin. Sin are the things you do in your life that lead you astray in your relationship with God. An unbeliever by their very definition doesn't HAVE a relationship with God and thus can not wander astray in their walk with Him. Also... This to me... Sounds judgy. Like 'look at all you ubelievers, you're all sinners.' Okay, yes. Technically. But so you. So are we all. This word-for-word the EXACT doubter's defence I've heard in so much outreach. Unbelievers all say "Why should I follow your cruel God? He judges me. He condems me. His followers say 'you there unbeliever are committing sin with your very existince as an unbeliever." And then you have to work past all that missconception and such before you can even have your FIST conversation about the beauty and LOVE of Jesus. So when I here stuff like this it actually really gets me going.
Second. I don't really believe that there are these 'BIG sins' and 'small sins' to God. If we repent, and accept Jesus, he forgives them all the same, so to say 'my biggest sin wasn't being a lesbian, it was being an unbeliever' is... Idk Kind of cop out for not addressing a... WILLFULL act you are commiting againt God's wishes b/c 'Look! A BIGGER sin!'. As someone with ADHD, this feels an AWFUL lot like the procrastination people with my condition tend to struggle with so often. And need to guard against. My question for her would be, 'fine. At which in yoru walk with the Lord, would you like to address THIS particular sin?'
People are people and all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The soul that refuses to repent and continues to live in sin will find their place in the lake that burns forever.
I was 20 years long heterosexual, but god helped mt to leave that lifestyle.
I left my wife and became gay.
Thank you so much god for your help. ❤❤
Another devastated family due to someone choosing to live for oneself at the expense of family members. Some of us know men who left their wife, thereby, inserting confusion, untruth, faithlessness, and pain into the lives of their children - not to mention the pain inflicted upon their spouse. These men did this, in part, because they were informed by the godless stewards of culture that the most important thing they could do was to be true to themselves - that they had every right to seek out and find their personal happiness - to self-actualize their desires, even though their self-identification with their alternative lifestyle was based upon a devastating untruth.
The destruction of individuals and families by these people isn’t love.
Not in any way is it love. It isn’t even self-love. It is selfish, lust-satisfying rebellion against God and his design of humans and his institution of and design of the family.
Whether one leaves a spouse due to either heterosexual or homosexual adultery, God doesn’t approve of it.
As Secularism races rapidly forward to its sure demise, we see straight up Paganism filling the void.
It is beyond past the time for all Brothers and Sisters in Christ to live their Christian lives to the utmost of Biblical intentionality.
The Christian Worldview brings true freedom, forgiveness, and reconciliation with God.
Live the Gospel everyday. Speak the Truth. Share the words of God to this lost and dying world.
@@user-mx3kh8rj1t That was (obviously) a parody about all those idiots that leave their same sex partners, claim to be "ex-gays" (which doesnt exist) to follow Jesus or claim to be healed and are heterosexual now (which doesnt exist). Thats nothing else then that waht I described here.
In the same way like you , I am for family, not important if father-mother-kids, or father-father-kids or mother-mother-kids. Responsability is responsability.
I dont see the secular world going down, in contrary: secular people are very reflected, responsable, engaged about environment, etc.
That your comment was parody was not obvious to me. My bad.
And there do exist countless numbers of people who have been freed up to return to same sex attraction. You may choose to deny that fact, but everybody with open eyes can see it’s true.
To use the accepted LGBT definition, people change their desire all the time. The trans community has countless “genders” reflecting exactly the fact that they experience attraction to same-sex folks one day and then can be attracted to opposite sex people the next. And plenty of trans people are de-transitioning all the time and returning to heterosexual attraction. TH-cam is full of personal testimonies of folks who at one time had same-sex attraction and no longer do.
I'm sorry, but we should just leave Christians alone. The whole idea with celibacy and marrying someone of the opposite sex is nothing but an contradictory couple of loopholes that do not work. The Bible is pretty straightforward about my attractions being against God's design and I'm fully aware of that. I wouldn't go to a Physics university if I didn't have the brains for it (I don't, btw, I have a degree in a language related field), so the same applies here. Even if I were to choose either of the two options, me still experiencing that still implies a complete lack of repentance.
Hebrews 10:26-27 “For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.”
Yes we should listen to their world view and yes we love them but if we deliberately keep sinning and we die in our sin we will face great white throne judgement, not bema seat judgement.
“For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.”
Hebrews 12:3-4 KJV
You can fight sin, you have not yet fought it into blood! Repent and turn to Jesus, resist the devil and he will flee. We all can do it! We are all sinners and we all struggle but run the good race! Fight til the end! I’m praying for all who are struggling with sin and please pray for my struggles with sin. I am not exempt. God Bless!
Well said. I think many modern churches try to sell "heaven on earth", as in "get saved and keep your sin", but in reality are forfeiting everlasting life...
As the Apostle Paul wrote to the Philipians 3:8,10-,11 "Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead." Whatever our identity, or pet sin is, we should lose it and cout it as dung, for the intimate relationship with Jesus Christ and eternal life with Him.
I’m in a difficult situation, I am both Christian, and gender fluid and Omni ( Dimi to QwQ ) my parents accept me, but how should I come out to the rest of my family?
No sodomite, effeminate, homo, or whatever you want to call yourself will enter the kingdom of God.
@@xerxes7989 good to know
Every family is different...I hope it resulted/will result in love, non-judgment and healing.
I hear what you say and I agree that when you deal with an unbeliever this is probably the right approach. But you cannot use the same approach when LGBT assume that they are Christians and believe they must convert the converted to their erroneous unbelief.
But did you learn something…
The problem is not that the lesbian has sin in her life (we all do) but when she claims that sex with another woman is not sin. If we accept this view in the church, we deny the directions given in Acts 15:29. How many compromises can the church make and still be called the church? I think we are finding out.