Lister was diplomatic in his answer. If you listened, he said JD's difference is in his sticky ways of explaining. Dean mentioned nothing he learned of jiu jitsu because there is nothing. Danaher is a skillful curator, teacher, a monk of a trainer and a marketing genius. Jiu Jitsu geniuses are Saulo Ribeiro, Marcelo, Renzo, Rickson, Roger, Terere, Telles, Lister, and others.
I think a lot of this is just tournament culture, for better or worse. If you’re going to compete at super high levels it’s more optimal to be world class in one or two systems and spend most your training time doubling down on those strengths. Not necessarily just a BJJ thing, though. Happens in basically every combat sport where competitors kind of have certain strengths so they just go all in on those. That is compounded even further by what coaches are teaching, too, which I don’t think gets discussed enough. There is definitely a trend-chasing culture in a lot of coaching programs. Some of that is necessary because if your competition is good at leg locks, the best way to counter leg locks is to learn leg locks. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Leg locks are great and what Danaher has done for them is commendable. But I do get bored watching highlight reels of dudes in a 50/50, legs all in a tangle.
"Ignoring 50% of the human body" is a bit misleading. While submissions are king, there are as many, if not more, available in the upper body than in the lower. Furthermore, the vast majority of leg locks require some sort of leg entanglement control, whereas all other submissions can come from any position: spinning armbars from KoB, kimura traps from bottom half, reverse armlock from failed shoulder clamp in bottom butterfly, Nogi Ezekiel from top half... and so on. The game of jiu-jitsu is quite literally a buffet table of moves, and I always thought it was narrow-minded of new grapplers to train excessively in leg locks, like as though it would give them a grand ol' edge against more experienced Jiu-jiteiros. In the real life examples which I've experienced, these sort of grapplers are sloppy everywhere, and lack the sort of control which befits a competent grappler.
@Marcel Maksel He means that several years ago, a man who clearly had severe substance abuse issues broke into Lister's home. Knowing that Lister is a super-skilled martial artist, he could have severely injured the man in question, but he didn't.
I don’t think Danaher makes anything up. He chooses sequences of moves he thinks are really good and explains everything is exhaustive detail. His teaching ability is excellent but the jiu jitsu he teaches Renzo, Ribeiro, Lister stuff.
I don't think Dean gets enough credit! He is a class act and was ahead of his time
Dean is the man.
Dean...past, present and into the future. ....gangsta
Lister was diplomatic in his answer. If you listened, he said JD's difference is in his sticky ways of explaining. Dean mentioned nothing he learned of jiu jitsu because there is nothing. Danaher is a skillful curator, teacher, a monk of a trainer and a marketing genius. Jiu Jitsu geniuses are Saulo Ribeiro, Marcelo, Renzo, Rickson, Roger, Terere, Telles, Lister, and others.
Love Dean Lister. Probably my all-time favorite grappler. 100% my favorite grappler from the pre-Danaher days.
Now there are leg-lockers everywhere who are still ignoring 50% of the human body.
Oh the irony
I'm sure within the next couple of years people will figure out how to nullify them so it'll go back to normal
I think a lot of this is just tournament culture, for better or worse. If you’re going to compete at super high levels it’s more optimal to be world class in one or two systems and spend most your training time doubling down on those strengths.
Not necessarily just a BJJ thing, though. Happens in basically every combat sport where competitors kind of have certain strengths so they just go all in on those. That is compounded even further by what coaches are teaching, too, which I don’t think gets discussed enough. There is definitely a trend-chasing culture in a lot of coaching programs. Some of that is necessary because if your competition is good at leg locks, the best way to counter leg locks is to learn leg locks. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Leg locks are great and what Danaher has done for them is commendable. But I do get bored watching highlight reels of dudes in a 50/50, legs all in a tangle.
"Ignoring 50% of the human body" is a bit misleading. While submissions are king, there are as many, if not more, available in the upper body than in the lower. Furthermore, the vast majority of leg locks require some sort of leg entanglement control, whereas all other submissions can come from any position: spinning armbars from KoB, kimura traps from bottom half, reverse armlock from failed shoulder clamp in bottom butterfly, Nogi Ezekiel from top half... and so on. The game of jiu-jitsu is quite literally a buffet table of moves, and I always thought it was narrow-minded of new grapplers to train excessively in leg locks, like as though it would give them a grand ol' edge against more experienced Jiu-jiteiros. In the real life examples which I've experienced, these sort of grapplers are sloppy everywhere, and lack the sort of control which befits a competent grappler.
They are missing out on the beauty of linking the leg locks and upper body positions and submissions together.
Lmao
I’ve heard that he is the nicest guy in person.
When he was born the dr said “congratulations, it’s a man”
Went to a seminar with him a few years back, genuinely nice guy and just as willing to help the white belts as the black belts!
Legend of grappling
I remember renting king of the cage just to watch Dean and Rampage.
What a guy, that crackhead will probably never know how lucky he was.
@Marcel Maksel you are the toxic one here, go find the video from Dean where he was burgaled by a crack head...
@Marcel Maksel He means that several years ago, a man who clearly had severe substance abuse issues broke into Lister's home. Knowing that Lister is a super-skilled martial artist, he could have severely injured the man in question, but he didn't.
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goat status oss!
I don’t think Danaher makes anything up. He chooses sequences of moves he thinks are really good and explains everything is exhaustive detail. His teaching ability is excellent but the jiu jitsu he teaches Renzo, Ribeiro, Lister stuff.