I was shocked when I first found this out, it sent me heavily into the work of biblical scholars since then and I learned so much, he is extremely important. I found a great understanding of the early churches, their differences and those involved in their creation. For me it was the key to unlocking the full story of the new testament and also lead to a much stronger understanding and respect for the hebrew bible.
Right. Like, why didn't James - a very important figure in the Jewish Temple - come to Paul's defense when he was arrested? Seems like a missed opportunity to me. Paul gets arrested and James is never mentioned again. Umm...
Maybe because James taught his brothers real teachings, the one that doesn’t mention him being resurrected or mention Jesus calling himself God either, James wasn’t in the NT because he taught the Truth while Paul made it all up
@@Investors_Consiglierethat's false BC Jesus visits James during his resurrection. It is at this time James changes and becomes a believer and with Peter becomes one of the main figures for Christianity.
n 2003, Israeli authorities charged the ossuary’s owner, Oded Golan, with forging the inscription. After a lengthy trial, in 2012, Golan was acquitted of forgery due to lack of conclusive evidence, though the debate about the inscription’s authenticity continues.
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Thank you, this was indeed a fair representation of James the Just. A truly heroic figure lost in the NT history. Many learned Muslim scholars have revered James in their lectures and writings as well. Infact, I have heard a discussion on Yaakov Tzadik, or James the Just by Dr. Ali Ataie a phenomenal scholar of theology who has mastered the 4 languages - Greek, Hebrew, Persian and Arabic, he considers "Yaakov Tzadik" similar and his role equivalent to "Abubakar Siddiq" the most important and first caliph to Prophet Muhammed (Peace be upon him)
You have mistaken his reference to Mohammed's brother Ali, like Jesus brother Yaquv. Ironically you have knowingly or unkniwingly, demonstrated how Yaquv was erased.... For all who are interested, please have a look at Ali's life and the events that followed the death of Muhammed pbuh. There are so similar specially how Ali was sidelined in favor of others, exactly like Paul overtook Yaquv.
Ali (kaw)is the cousin of Mohamad (pbuh), not his brother. Moreover, the Ummah is not hereditary, meaning, because Mohammad was the Prophet, so his family gets to rule after him. Islam is about Shourah( consultative council and assembly ). People get to choose who they want to be ruled by. If they wanted Ali, they could have appointed him in his absence ( he was few meters away) or waited for him. Don’t forget, at the end, they were all relatives in one way or the other back in the days.
Hallo Dr. Tabor, your videos (speeches) are very interesting and can't wait for you to come to Europe. There are a million questions I have and one day I would like to ask you some. As always I do love your work.
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Genius, YES I BELIEVE THAT ITS STILL understatement !! Dr.Tabor will go in the History BOOKS AS one of the best Historian's and TRUTH SEEKERS in time Blessings to all
The early Church must have had great potential for enrichment. Paul, along with Mark, Luke, have excised the family of Jesus of Nazareth from significance. It looks like Paul with the help of Mark and Luke polished all the edges off the Gospels leaving the direction of the religion to be defined by Paul. Paul is a very ambitious fellow.
Why in the world would anyone translate the Aramaic word 'Aaqov' as "James" rather than the correct translation of the time "Jacob"?? 'Aaqov' (aka 'Yakov) was transliterated in late Latin, then early French, then English to become "James", much later than the supposed timeframe of the artifact.🤔
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I have always heard that the French name Etienne is the same as the name Steven. Otoh, I have a French cousin named Stéphane which leaves me a bit confused, not gonna lie. Regardless, all of the above enhances the idea that name translation is sometimes odd.
The ossuary doesn't say James...we use the word James because that's what people know...but it's Yaakov the son of Joseph (Yahosef) brother of yeshua (Jesus). If you'd done more research, you'd have seen this or heard it. This just touches on the "James" ossuary in order to set up the facts of James in the New Testament. I would suggest the other James Tabor lectures that focus just on the ossuary. You can see on those that its not literally James...that's just the English version...NOT the name on the box.
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@@nasimagdam2723 The light and the light bearer. Both Christ and The Fallen One are compared to the Morning Star. You see. . . It gets tricky. You can't afford to bee too certain. Test the spirits but test yourself too.
in 2003, Israeli authorities charged the ossuary’s owner, Oded Golan, with forging the inscription. After a lengthy trial, in 2012, Golan was acquitted of forgery due to lack of conclusive evidence, though the debate about the inscription’s authenticity continues.
I’m pretty convinced that the brothers of the lord are also the sons of Clopas/Cleopas/Alpheus. I never thought of the idea that the Mary listed is the same as Jesus’ mother. I have to say I still believe it is an Aunt but interesting to think about. In general on this though I go with Hegesippus, but not him when concerning James. Yes, I know… I’m picking and choosing… guilty as charged.
Every time you say Herchle I think of my grandpa Herchle L Leeper. At 5 years old when I started too talk. I was a none verbal. My first words was "Grandpa what is the most important thing in life?" Grandpa said " knollage. For with knollage you can learn, and grow. Without knollage you die. Now go tell your mom, and dad you can talk." my mom told me I am James The Brother of The Lord, and my mom argued with God's Angel because she wanted a girl not a boy. After I said I can talk at 5 years old. I am now 43. It is the End of the world.
In the last picture it is Peter on the right side of Jesus looking at James like he doesn't like him. It does remind me of the tensions between Rome and Judea politics. Is it about showing Peter distancing himself from those Jews back in Jerusalem causing all those problems for the Roman Empire?
Because paul is the false apostle mentioned by Jesus in Revelation 2:2. Paul literally means least, as in the least in the kingdom for preaching against The Commandments. Keep Faith in Jesus Keep His Commandments www.scribd.com/document/385921496/Deception-of-Paul-The-False-Apostle false-apostle-paul-archive.blogspot.com/2010/01/pauline-conspiracy-by-victor-garaffa_08.html?m=1
WHAT!! It is PAUL who is on the "hate list" compared to the one letter author, James "saved by works AND Faith" ... GO THROUGH ANY COMMENTS WHERE PAUL AND JAMES IS MENTIONED And PAUL is the one with nothing GOOD said about him. Name one Apostolic sign shown James? Signs of power and miracles? KEEPOO LOOKING.
There are so many forgeries out there that it's difficult to even have an informed opinion on some artefacts. If you want to become a person who counterfeits money, then first become someone whose job it is to detect such counterfeits. Likewise when it comes to religious artefact forgeries. They could easily take a bone box that is of the proper age, for example, and grind the stone surface down to remove such things -- making a kind of 'blank'. And then get to work creating the pretend scenery on the newly exposed box surface, so to speak. It reminds me of taking real paper money, bleaching the ink from it, and then taking it to something like a CYMK printer to print a higher denomination bill onto that bleached paper. And no, it's not something I am intimately familiar with, obviously. But it is an idea that has apparantly been done many times by many different criminals. One has to EXPECT such fraudsters in the religious antiquities market. And not necessarily only for monetary gain as a motive....they could also go through such troubles simply to convince others of a false sense of religious history -- which could potentially ultimately sway millions of people to or from a religion if people start to believe it true.
Strange that the saying in GosThom has Jesus say "go to James the Just", rather than "go to my brother James the Just". Strange, that is, if the writer/speaker thought James the Just was the Brother of Jesus, son of Joseph.
And wouldn't it be strange for the Master, Jesus, to refer to his younger brother by the title "the Just" (or the Righteous) that he would only later acquire as the leader of the community after Jesus? This "quote" seems like an ideological anachronism.
Prof. Jodi Magness talks some about James in "The Holy Land Revealed" and the ossuary. Her take on it was that only rich people had ossuaries and were buried in this way. She thinks James would not want this. (On the ossuary. Why does the text on the left look so different from the text on the right?)
Given James's emphasis on helping the poor, this makes sense. The communal living of the Jerusalem church, with all property held in common for the common benefit, points to turning from luxury. But wasn't Jesus, the Master, immediately put in a grave and intended for a full burial? This wasn't an egalitarian anarchy; the Jerusalem church had clear leaders and even a central figure, James, the Brother of the Lord. Wouldn't it be strange if the community did not honor its leader?
@@charlesiragui2473 Jodi Magness might say that the community of James resembles the community of Qumran. They did not use Ossuaries in that community either. The Sadducees did use them, including a very decorative one with Caiaphas on it (the high priest during Jesus' time). "What we see here is just another Roman influence on the tombs and burial customs of the Jerusalem elite." - Jodi Magnus. An adaptation of keeping ashes in urns and stone boxes (as Romans did), but the Jews did not adopt cremation. Additionally, to have these Ossuaries, the family would need a tomb for storing them- maybe a garden with it... at which point it isn't really an extra honor given to an individual, but it is a family method, the family's wealth. The real question is: if some rich families joined the church- would those families continue to use their tombs, and invite the community to use them as well. (Lazarus was set in a tomb, his family already had that custom).
@@charlesiragui2473 Which part fits perfectly with Tabor? There are huge questions about the Jerusalem church. How big was it? Who "hosted" it? What role did the family of Jesus play? How did they operate? I'm not saying it is impossible for the ossuary to be James - of the Jerusalem church, but it is very hard to verify.
@@MatthewKiehl I meant simply that if one were to take Tabor's theory that the Church of Jerusalem had been led successively by brothers of Jesus, then it could make sense that even a communal living type group like them would spend on a luxury such as an ossuary for the first, most influential of the brothers. And Tabor would have the four brothers as among the 12 apostles and James the "Beloved Disciple". If Tabor is right, then James would have had a special status among the Jerusalem community, as the apostle closest to Jesus, even anointed by Jesus.
In my family, from Bertry, Cambrésis, France, Jean Lemaire a grand Oncle, Were A french Evêque in China, then organized the church out of communist China, don't know if this is related to your Epigraphist... But, my mother is Jacqueline, my first cousin were Jacques, then Jean-Paul, then Pierre. We are from a very Christian Family, but so seems some were knowing the grace given to everyone, particularly Jacques, Jacob. The fist sister of my mother Jacqueline, is named Christianne, the mother of my cousin Jacques, Anne-Marie. I think this is very interesting that no matter what Rome's religion tried to erase, James were at the beginning of the 20th century, as well Known as Christ. But this perhaps say something of our origins. In Bertry and Troisvilles one part of us are said to be the Yellows, perhaps one reason my gran oncle went to china, in Manchouria, missionary from Rome's church, this is the white chinese region, well known from prehistory and early china dynasties. So we are not from China, but mostly from Russia, as Sarmates, and Saka, with yellow skin, asian eyes but blue or green like I Have. So over the generations, we keep our physical set, but I'm sure, the spirit of God in a Slavon Bible manner.... Slavon Bible came from Greek Bible, but early one, then, Cyrille and Methodni came to teach the bible, and as Slavon were not a written language, they built an Alphabet from Greek letters, and that became the Cyrillic Alphabet, that then diffused to the North, as it is as now the Alphabet of the Slavics, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Serbia, but also, Ukraina, and of course Russia, Ossetia, and lot of countries from the Russian Federation. I were born in Lille, France, and I'm living now in Bulgaria, so the iconic James you show is for me a confirmation that my way to live in Jesus is appropriate in what history you reveal is some well known story to peoples living at North of Jerusalem. In fact, I know Jesus and James as if Rome had never existed as trying with vatican to pervert our minds. First concile stated that Évêques are the endorsed of God on Earth. For me this is where the stolen story took place. Jesus the lord is inside Us, we are the church, none can say that God endorsed Him, so what about Paul? My father, two gran father's name is Paul. I think perhaps after the death of Jesus, and James, Paul had to take power, and did it well, but some spirit have been lost, James was Just, Paul liked Power, so this remind me that Ostrogoths came to Rome to be in God's power, so Paul were the good guy to read. Nothing as that in Constantinople. All the Wisdom from the writers as you expose were clear about the Jesus and James Teaching. Lot of Christians only refers to the Bible. Bertry were also a capital for the reform. Protestants came here in the end of 19th century to discuss about their church, there have been doctrinal battles in this village! Those who like Power dont like the ones who are in high level of Wisdom. This never changed, we are in the same war today. Perhaps we are the ones who are trying to stop te time before Apocalypse. As we will die, apocalypse will come. So important to be Christians in the biblical time we are. For that, we must find what became to Mary, Mary Magdalene, and the other mothers that had played a central role in the doctrine of the professor. Did they have been the ones who written the apostolic texts? For me this is evidence Jesus had a Maternal High Wisdom, protecting life, rising like Sun, and perhaps the success of Christianity is made by Women. Globalist order will not Win because We are the Truth, and they uses lies to take power. No mother is living in lies, but Reality, perception and immediate response, there's no Baby alone in Nature, he would die, that's why God made mothers the center of Truth Perception. Globalist beast will never have babies without mothers in Empathy reading and Wisdom reading of the real.
It's a wonder that no one at the ROM in Toronto lost their jobs over this ossuary hoax, as they were certainly warned that the object was of dubious authenticity and had no provenance behind it, but they were just moving into a major fundraising campaign and wanted a big coup like this to raise their institutional profile. It didn't take long for the whole thing to unravel and it was shipped out soon afterwards with no further mention. Thankfully, the ossuary wouldn't add anything to our knowledge of James the Just so the whole thing is immaterial, and the rest of your lecture on James is very interesting and informative.
"When the existence of the burial box, or ossuary, was announced in October, it stirred great excitement as potentially the earliest historical artifact linked to Jesus. But Israel's Antiquities Authority said it had found overwhelming evidence that the inscription on the box was a fake produced in modern times.Jun 19, 2003"
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Considering the care usually expended on museum artifacts in transport for exhibitions, it is EXTREMELY RARE that such an "accident" happened; UNless, it WASN'T an accident and somebody was hoping to get rid of a troublesome forgery!! 😮🤨🧐🤔😎
Notice the long side of the ossuary is so ROUGH the inscription can't even be discerned unless close-up. But the short end side has been SMOOTHED!! Makes you 🤔 WHY they didn't carve it THERE?? EVEN the OPPOSITE long side looks smoother than the one the inscription is carved in. Was that done to DISGUISE its modernity and LESSEN the discovery of metal residue material in scraping samples??
Wonder WHY they would inscribe the name of a peasant on the BOX instead of on the REPLACEABLE LID so the ossuary itself could be REused, if necessary? Poor people couldn't afford such things on a repeated basis. They would thus fill the SAME ossuary with different relatives' bones, namely the 💀 NOT the whole skeleton. Wealthy people could afford to have separate bone boxes for each skeleton; BUT even the "Joseph Caiaphas" ossuary found in a tomb by archaeologists in the early 1990's was reported to have SEVERAL people's bones in it, NOT just the former chief priest's!
VERY POOR "scholarship" Pro. Tabor!! You should NOT make inferences of association from a citation that DOESN'T exist!! I was about to check "Mark" 15:40 to see WHERE James was mentioned as being the "son of Mary and Clophas" since in my NUMEROUS readings of the "Gospels" I NEVER remembered seeing THAT statement, BEFORE you admitted it was merely a hypothetical. At this point I might as well state that IF the ossuary itself is ancient but the inscription on it ISN'T of an ancient person named "James" who just happened to be the SON of a "Joseph" and who wanted to have himself LINKED when he died with being the BROTHER of that MOST famous of "Jesuses", then it IS a MODERN FORGERY; because ALL the "Jameses" that are listed as ONE of Jesus' brothers in the "Gospels" are described as "SON of ALPHAEUS", NOT "son of Joseph" OR "son of Cleophas". Therefore, IF James was the SON of JOSEPH, then it is a LIE that he was the BROTHER of JESUS. IF James was the SON of ALPHAEUS and BROTHER or "half-brother" of JESUS, then it is a LIE that he was the SON of JOSEPH! In other words, it CAN'T BE BOTH, according to ALL "Gospel" accounts, that he was the SON OF JOSEPH AND THE BROTHER of JESUS. Thus, the ossuary inscription is either an ANCIENT LIE or a MODERN FORGERY, in either case by someone who DIDN'T know the "Gospels" sufficiently to be accurate. UNLESS........ James WAS the SON of ALPHAS/ALPHAEUS, who I think by the rhyming names, was the brother of CLOPHAS/CLEOPHAS" but was inexplicably ADOPTED by JOSEPH, the father of JESUS and a man not even James' uncle after Alphaeus DIED! 🤔 So the 🗝️ question it all comes down to is, WHO was Jesus REALLY the SON of?? Jehovah, Joseph, OR Alphaeus??? WE KNOW what the religious PROPAGANDA of the "Gospels" says, BUT, coincidentally enough, in the "Apocalypsis of John" 22:13 Jesus is written to say of himself: I AM the ALPHA and the Omega...." COULD THIS mean he was REALLY the "great" or eldest SON of ALPHAS/ALPHAEUS?? Just like JAMES and JOSEPH and Judas and Simon and Matthew....????? 🤔🤨🧐😮
I would have to DISagree that the expression pertaining to James in the "Gospel of Thomas" refers to the "Twelve Righteous" of Talmudic tradition because THEY are supposed to be the reason God SUSTAINS and MAINTAINS this damnedly corrupt World instead of just DESTROYING it. This "Gospel", which I have read and am well familiar with, (my middle name is Thomas by the way, for all that matters) states that James is the REASON God CREATED the World!! THAT'S an even BIGGER claim than merely SUSTAINING IT for a few righteous ones; as God was going to do Sodom and Gomorrah. Therefore I think there is really an allusion to the "Torah" scriptures account of Jehovah telling Abraham that his descendents would be as numerous as the ✨ of Heaven and the sands of the 🌊shore; which happened THROUGH YAQABA/Jacob/James as Father of the Twelve Tribes. Therefore, it was a JUDISH way of inferring that the 🌍 was created FOR the HEBREWS!! 🤨 😮
Dr Tabor, and others, I am interested how James comes across to believers and non believers AS A PERSONALITY. I personallly am drawn to Paul, and find James a bore, riding on the coattails of his brother's "harder law sayings" , meant to frustrate, not to KEEP! . EG, In Acts 15, PETER seems willing to give up on all law righteousness , having reached a point of "works righteousness", BURNOUT, which is exatly what is supposed to happen in Paul's "Gospel" . James, Just did not "get it", ()sola fide) as I believe he could find justification by "doing". It was his "gravitas" that won the day. Meanwhile , the "real doers" -All the other Apostles, I believe SAW the end of the road of the past Passovers, Now replaced by "Sola Gratius:" DID HE HAVE THE LAST WORD BECAUSE 'he was the Lord's brother?? FOR THAT IS FAVORITISM.
There must be thousands of potentially valuable documents and artifacts without provenances. Hopefully, in the course of time, our sciences and scholarship will develop to the point that we will be able to ensure authenticity or not without an unbroken written record. I’m pretty sure we eventually will. Like, for example, being able to tell from wear patterns how long a text may have been carved into a slab or stone.
I am confused by the liberal use of the Gospels of Thomas & Peter. I thought those were rejected as heretical, failing the basic proofs for authenticity...and created centuries later by people not directly associated with Jesus. ??
This poses the same dilemma as that facing the followers of Mohammed after his death. Who should lead the movement now. Those advocating dynastic succession are now the Shia, while those who advocated that the most insightful and competent should lead are now the Sunnis. If you listen to Jesus own teachings as a guide it is very apparent that he did not put any faith in familial associations. In essence neither does the entire Old Testament as the history of the kings and even of the priesthood (consider first Eli and then Samuel whose sons were unworthy of taking their father’s position as priest and judge) is being shown by many examples that dynastic succession leads to disaster. Consider the case of Solomon and his son Rehoboam who divided the kingdom due to his arrogance and sense of entitlement.
It would be hard to contest your textual analysis of Luke/Acts as Luke intending to diminish the importance of James (and the other individual brothers of Jesus). Yet the appearance of James in Acts shows that he is not excising him from history either. This seems to be, as you say, a reading of history in which James did not represent the main branch of the faith/church. Luke is commonly thought to be writing for Gentile Christians, so emphasizing Paul and diminishing James would be somewhat expected. But why go so far as to obscure his leadership role in the Jerusalem Church? It seems that the theological rift with kosher Jews could explain the retelling largely without James and his brothers. In this case, it is interesting that Peter takes on such significance. It would seem from this and from Galatians 2:11-13 that Peter was torn between Paul and James and ultimately sided with Paul. Luke would not have given Peter this prominent place were this not the case. Thus, the logic by which James was diminished by Luke (theology) must also assign to Peter his importance (theology). Peter is given the speech at Pentecost. Peter heals the lame man at the Temple and defends Jesus to the Sanhedrin. And so forth. Peter is portrayed as a purveyor of correct theology. This must have actually been true (ie he adhered to Pauline theology).
We have to read that into the text, tho, I think. Luke is sharing stories of the first days of the church that he gathered from the people who were there. They didn't mention James, perhaps, because he hadn't risen to power yet. As long as the apostles remained in Jerusalem it was their show. It wasn't until after they flew the coop that other people had to step in. In Acts 6, the apostles got tired of trying to stretch the budget to feed all these people who were waiting for Jesus to return to Jerusalem. The apostles were still "tarrying in Jerusalem", waiting for the power Jesus promised them. They'd received it but it looked like the same power they'd had when they were walking with Jesus during His ministry. I don't blame them for expecting more. Maybe that's why they didn't leave Jerusalem. Who knows, really? But as long as they were there, it was their show. Eventually they left Jerusalem. Peter winds up in Joppa and then to Caesarea where he converts some Gentiles (Cornelius and his house) and then rushes back to Jerusalem to tell them what happened - the Gentiles had received the same power they'd received on Pentecost! It was the Holy Spirit and Peter knew it! This meant salvation for the Gentiles WITHOUT their having been circumcised! Crazy times for sure. In Acts 11, Luke writes that Peter told this story in Jerusalem to the elders and to "those of the circumcision". This may have included James, who was definitely included in that tribe (see the Book of Galatians). James was certainly rising to power by then because the apostles had been scattered due to the persecution that had broken out (Acts 9). But Peter had been traveling to Samaria and other parts of the nation by then. The tarrying in Jerusalem stuff was over. If you just read what's there you can see that Peter indeed played an important role in those first years. We don't see James the Just until after James the Apostle is killed in Galilee by King Herod (Acts 12). And by Acts 15, now James is deciding the outcome of the controversy that circumcision of the Gentiles wasn't necessary. He has taken on the mantle of a Judge (in the Jewish sense). His rise to power was an evolution and that evolution is only suggested by the text but not explored in detail. Maybe James didn't document his rise to power. Luke was only writing down what people were telling him happened in those first years. He hit the high parts and missed a lot of details. James wasn't written out by a long shot. His importance in the contrast between the mainstream religion and the theology of justification by faith is a s fresh today as it was back then. Almost everybody believes you have to earn God's grace and you earn it by cleaning up yourself for Him - doing your best for God. That is surely the way we earn God's salvation. Wouldn't it be crazy if that was NOT the way?
@@GizmoFromPizmo James was killed by the religious authorities in 62AD, probably around the time Luke was writing. When did James become the leader of the Jerusalem community? Luke certainly doesn't tell us. In Galatians, Paul says that James is in charge in Jerusalem and admonishes Peter when he behaved differently with Gentile Christians while people sent by James were around. Galatians has been dated to 48AD. Tabor makes the case that James was consistently the leader of the Jerusalem church from the Ascension of Jesus. Luke/Acts tells a different story, leading to Tabor's sharp textual analysis of a minimization of James's role. It seems to me that Luke does not accept the theology and leadership of James. No doubt, Luke admired Paul immensely. My above point to Tabor is that if we accept that Luke minimizes the role of James (seems true to me) then Tabor has to accept that Luke treats Peter as a hero, meaning that the theological problem of James did not extend to Peter. In Tabor's book The Jesus Dynasty, he suggests that Peter shared James's view of Jesus as just a righteous prophet and human messiah. That's why I made this extension of his textual analysis: we do know that Peter shared Paul's theology because Luke gave Peter a starring role.
@@charlesiragui2473 - That may be but then again, it may not be. It's not important when James took over the church at Jerusalem. Like I said in an earlier post, it may be that James was the only one left standing after the apostles and even the men appointed by the apostles fled that city. He wasn't named among the men appointed to take the apostle's place as they were isolating themselves from the daily service to the saints (see Acts 6:5). I think James was there in Acts 11 when Peter came back from Caesarea to tell the church about Cornelius and his household. But that's just speculation. In Acts 15, James talks like he was well aware of what went on that day and that's why I'm assuming he might have been there at the time. All Tabor has is speculation based on a hunch. My speculation is based on the text of accepted history. It amounts to a whole lot of nothin' in the scheme of things, however. What does matter - ETERNALLY - is what they avoid talking about in this and other videos. Are we justified by works or by faith in the promises of God? If we're scoring this thing like you would a debate then Paul comes way out on top. His argument is solidly based on the Law of Moses. James turns the statement in Genesis 15:6 into a prophecy to be fulfilled at a later time. NOBODY EVER interpreted it that way but James needed to pull a rabbit out of his hat to make that verse go away. How would you score the controversy? Do you think it's important? Do you think they were on the same side or opposite sides of this theology? I'd like to know your opinion after this long discussion.
@@GizmoFromPizmo In Matthew 7:21-23 Jesus says that "only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven" will enter the kingdom of heaven. I believe (and Tabor does too) that Matthew is absolutely with Paul theologically, so I don't think that the difference between James and Paul really comes down to works v faith. Jews believed absolutely in faith to Yahweh and they believed also that the Law was the primary vehicle for sealing their covenant with Yahweh. Jesus wanted Jews to take their faith to the highest spiritual level and Paul interpreted this as also leaving much of Mosaic Law behind. What is the will of Jesus's Father? That is the real question. I believe that Jesus answered this question: Love God and love your neighbor as yourself. He also answered what is to love your neighbor (parable of the Good Samaritan). He also answered what is to love God: there is no greater love than to give your life for your friend. As Paul said: it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. So where was James? James believed that Jews needed to stay faithful to the Mosaic Law, that Jesus was a prophet and messiah of Israel. He saw the resurrected Jesus and was a righteous man. But ultimately, he could not see the full Lordship of Jesus. That is why he is largely forgotten. But the Church included his letter in the New Testament canon because his righteousness and love for Jesus gave his words eternal value.
@@charlesiragui2473 - There is a lot more theology to it than simply, "do your best for God", IMHO. I mean it's worth it but that philosophy runs out VERY quickly. Unless you're drawing a paycheck, you can't keep that up for long. You will burn out. Take this verse for example: James 4:17 - Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. That is a favorite passage of the "strong commitment" crowd. Ask me how I know... That philosophy grows legs and eventually eats you alive. For example, you're committed to God, right? Are you absolutely doing everything you could be doing right now for God? If not then you are sinning. Jesus Christ Himself cannot save you from that kind of "sinning". That is obsession or some other brain disorder. OCD? You can't slow down or you'll disappoint God, you rotten sinner, you. GET TO WORK! This is the logical conclusion of the works righteousness philosophy. With the wrong theology, you will drive yourself away from God because nobody (unless they're getting a paycheck) can keep that up for long. Think about it. Put that burden on your back and then listen to this passage: "I will never leave you nor forsake you." Dude, under the burden of you inescapable sinning, that's not a promise; that's a CURSE! You can't get away from your divine taskmaster. It's a HORRIBLE and TERRIFYING existence. And that is the exact torture that this "works righteousness" philosophy that people live under. Ask me how I know.
Mary was a virgin until she gave birth to Jesus ... After that she had children with Joseph. half Brothers and sisters of Jesus....James was one of Jesus' half brothers....Matthew 12 v 46
1Cor 9:5 That is the worst translation I have ever seen of that verse. It does not say ‘wife’ it says sister-wife (adelphe guney), as is correctly translated by the Derby, King James, Douay Rheims, Diaglott, Greens, Living Oracles, Rotherham, Webster, and the Vulgate Bibles. Note: some Bibles say Christian-wife or believer-wife, but that is a deliberate mistranslation of adelphe. Yes sister-wife, just as King Agrippa II had his sister-wife, Berenike. This was an ancient tradition going back to Egypt, and Christians should not be covering up the truth, just because they do not like it. Ralph
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So many artifacts that don't fit the narrative are said to be fogeries. Very sad. I think Mary very well could've had more children after Jesus, but i think it's more likely they are Joseph's from a deceased wife and that he was much older than she.
This issue of brother of YAHUSHUA - James is easily proven by the text of the psalm 69. Because Yohannan (John) quoted psalm 69 what was written about Yahushua in his epistle John 2:17 reads: 17. His disciples remembered that it is written: "Zeal for your house will consume me." Now, if you go back to psalm 69 and read the whole sentence, you will get: Psalm 69:8-9 (is one sentence) "I am a stranger to my brothers, an alien to my own mother's sons, for zeal for your house consumes me, and insults of those who insult you fall on me." Anyone, who considers the scripture sacred will understand if he is Yahushua disciple that it speaks of him, and says "my own mother's sons" If anyone still doubts, because many remembered after the crusifuction that psalm 69 was fulfilled to the letter! Even words as 'thirst' and 'gull' and 'vinegar' 68:21 "They put gull in my food, and gave me vinegar for my thirst" Case is close and there is really no debate!
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@@Alephkilo Messianic psalm and it is only understood from the view point from a cross downward: John 19:28-30 28¶After this, Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said (to fulfill the Scripture), “I thirst.” 29A jar full of sour wine stood there, so they put a sponge full of the sour wine on a hyssop branch and held it to his mouth. 30When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. verse 28 says TO FULFILL THE SCRIPTURE = psalm 69 where it speaks of vinegar.
@@konstantinerzyaykin8155 Read Psalm 69. It is spoken in the first person and not about the future . Also psalm 69 says May the table set before them become a snare; may it become retribution and[b] a trap. May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see, and their backs be bent forever. Pour out your wrath on them. Did Jesus say that ?
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DNA tests should be done on all the ossuaries from the Talpiot tomb, to reveal all the relationships and to prove if the box of the son of Jesus is really his son!
If he was crucified he wasnt buried. If he was buried it would not have been in a rich man's tomb. It's so absurd. Just read the bible. It answers all question. And if it doesnt then add some secular critical scholarship. The mystery will disappear.
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Joe, the brother of Abraham Lincoln, some of Samuel Lincoln, of course he is real because there are others named Abraham and have father's by that name, pretty damn lame.
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Because they had messed with everything and stolen people's identities and possessed people and it all leads back to the same thing and they know that and that's why... Even his own brothers didn't believe him but his mother did.
I don't think Mary believe Jesus either, because he called him God crazy when she went with his brothers and sisters to go get him out of that house. There was no mention of an angel, a virgin birth, or any of that tripe you find in Matthew and Luke does proving Matthew and Luke were written to clean up Mark🤔💭
By this logic here, Judas should be the brother of Jesus also oh, I found it funny when you got to that verse you say Jude. But then the Epistle of Jude is not the brother of the Lord, even though he would have to be
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It would be interesting to know who erased the name of James a half brother to Jesus, also Jude, another half brother to Jesus, who wrote a book in the New Testament. Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, Joseph her husband did not know her, or he did not have any sexual relations with Mary until that special baby was born, Our Saviour, The Son of God, because he was born of God, Son of Man, because he was born of a woman, an ordinary girl, that was chosen by GoD to bring his Son into the world for our redemption. Mary had at least 5 other children after Jesus was born. DID not the rabbis in the 🕍 Sinagoge when Jesus got up to read the lesson on the sabbarh day, state, Is this not the son of Joseph the carpenter, and his mother Mary, and we have his brothers and sisters here with us, This is what is written in the New Testament, and afterwards did they not try to stone Jesus to death, because he stated. This day these scriptures are fulfilled in your sight, Surely the priests of the temple, were not stating an aunt or uncle's children. That would make no sense. It had to be the Catholic Church that changed Mary, into the ever virgin, She was a young married woman, with a husband, it would make no sense either that he never had a relationship with Mary. The Catholic Church again changed Mary into someone who was completely without sin, born without sin. Again that makes no sense, It was Eve, that sinned, the first woman, and it had to be a daughter of Eve, that would bring the one who would clense us from sin into the world. They the Catholic Church used Mary for their own ends, just as they used Mary Magdalene, to their own ends and have had to apologise for it. Mary does not have twelve stares over her head, this actually goes back to the wife of Nimrod and his pagan wife, The tower of Bable,. WAHERE ALmighty God changed the languages of the world as men were trying to upsurge GOD. Winifred Thompson. Northern Ireland.
Greek does not say "son of" but just the genitive...often indicating "brother," which I take it to mean in this context...since Jude and James are brothers, even two books attributed to them in the NT...see Jude 1.
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Monday morning quarterbacking isn't very helpful. Accusing Luke of downplaying James because Paul was his "hero" is just so much name calling. Luke traveled with Paul and understood the persecution that Paul went through at the hands of James the Just (see Galatians and Corinthians). I'm 42-minutes into this video and I have not heard you once mention the fact that the religion of James was in direct opposition to Paul's gospel. This was the controversy of the first century and the 600-pound gorilla in the room that you have not even mentioned.
So it's like he has a completely different opinion generated by approaching the source material differently. . . Interesting. I wonder: is forming any opinion drawing from any evidence contrary to the default then considered "Monday quarterbacking?" Is there any discussion of history that is not "Monday quarterbacking? Why is that if we're all discussing the same material? Is there any real difference in what you are doing by making your comment beyond how rude and condescending you are being? If there is, can you provide historical and archaeological evidence to support your claims as being obviously solely and exclusively correct? From my standpoint, most of the claims of any given theology are largely hypothetical, so appealing to mystical or spiritual stuff isn't relevant to me on this matter. So please don't bring that up. Revelation might exist, or it might just be the neural confusion caused by toxin ingestion or disease. Many a claimed prophet has been found to actually be Ill or poisoned rather than inspired. I can't and won't take it as epistemically relevant without actual evidence. And if you actually don't have physically verifiable facts that establish this matter as clearly as you insist it is, do you think you can cut back on the vitriol a bit? It makes you seem like you're trying to cover over some insecurity or like you're trying to argue a point you fear may not be true. It certainly does not project the kind of confidence you probably expect it does. Frankly, it makes you come off as untrustworthy. Thanks in advance.
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Tabor goes in depth into this theological controversy between Paul and James in his 2006 book The Jesus Dynasty. He makes the provocative claim that Paul alone had a theology of the resurrection and salvation by faith and that James had a Jewish belief in Jesus as Rabbi teaching the Way of salvation by works.
@@paulbishop6357 - You've fallen into the trap that every Atheist I've ever heard falls into. You assume that the reality on the ground did not exist 20-odd centuries ago. Archaeological evidence, in this discussion, can be limited to the textual evidence we have in our hands. It's not archaeology as much as it is textual. You must have missed that from my OP. You're trying to tell me that the words of actual people in actual places is superstition. That's poppycock. If a man writes about something that is happening to him then I tend to believe that. If the people around him are testifying to that very same thing happening to that man then I absolutely believe him. You've completely missed the point of my OP. I base my arguments on the testimony of people who actually lived in the first century A.D. All you have is ... nothing, as a matter of fact. All you said in all the words you wrote is, "Nuh uh!" What is YOUR evidence that James and Paul disagreed on the source of righteousness? You don't have any because to you, such a thing is mere superstition. All you're doing is talking about how stupid I am compared to you. Well let me set your mind at ease, trolly. I've DONE my homework. I'm not sitting in my mom's basement taking pot shots at people who have done the research. People like you are a dime a dozen. You are clouds without rain. There is no substance to anything you've written. "Nuh uh", isn't an argument but that's all you've produced. I have actual textual evidence that Tabor has indeed read but chooses to ignore. I won't waste that evidence on some self-assured internet troll.
@@GizmoFromPizmo I'm not an atheist. Not even slightly. Why do you assume I am? Because I do not believe identically to you? Pft. But you are an insecure presumptuous fool who loves to resort to straw men to booster your unsubstantiated imaginings. Provide those sources and stop slinging ad hominems and clumsy rhetoric. Site your sources and actually reason or go weep in your corner. I am not impressed. You offered not one single bit of reasoning or textual evidence. Not one. You provide no logos, just angst. Grow up.
We have to remember, that Martin Luther was not a fan of James in the slightest, and is on record for his disdain for having it in canon. In the same breath, we have to remember protestantism, or the reformation, what was it reforming? Christianity, it was reforming Catholicism. The word of God being born out by the Christian church, was underground suffering yet another Inquisition... So, that left the counterfeit... By the way was protested by islam, so the Jesus that the Muslims talk about, it's not that Jesus the bible, it's the dumb down Jesus the Catholics who they were constant struggle against, that's who they were fighting... If we just leave history alone it will tell us what happened, if we need to pre-empt it and try to lay some tracks going in another direction, that means we are trying to guide history... Then the question becomes, why? What is we are trying to say by that action? Hey we know those roads tend to lead to blasphemy and heresy. Anyway, I just hopped in to leave my two cents
It's like Tabor never read the Gospel of Luke. Luke is the one and only who details the birth of John the Baptist. Without Luke, we don't know that John is related to Jesus. Furthermore, EVERYBODY knew that John was baptizing. He was the biggest thing on the religious landscape. Everybody also knew the story of Jesus being baptized by John. There was no conspiracy to keep this thing a secret. Furthermore, none of the gospels indicate that these recorded events were unique to these Gospels. They all seemed to know about each other. Certainly, Luke and John's gospels explicitly identify themselves as one of many. John's baptism was so famous that Paul bumped into "certain disciples" in Ephesus who had been baptized "unto John's baptism". John was still baptizing well after his own death. Even Christian disciples were receiving John's baptism. It was invalid and they had to be baptized into Christ but the fact that it was still going on that late and that far away shows how famous John's baptism was.
This is my take... a life saving ministry could never be this difficult & complicated to decipher & understand. NEVER...!!! Who sends his only begotten son to die a terribly death leaving behind so much confusion...? A Godly life in exchange for a mere 3 years of ministry recorded by unknown 3rd parties many decades later, filled with contradictions. Jesus SHOULD have hung around longer & written sacred texts himself..!!!! estabished a movement that produced great & many civilizations that could validated the sacred teachings. Living proof of a gr8 teacher & leader. Instead we were left with 100s of ambiguities, giving rise to many wars & millions of lives lost over different theologies. Maybe we would have been better off without this Jesus story who, because of his supposed provocative mouth & showy displays of miracles apparently got him killed too early...!! A failed mission if you ask me....!!! disclaimer: no blasphemy intended, just a simple human using some common sense...!!
I wouldn’t call it common sense brother unless you know the whole story behind…I completely understand what you are saying and I would even go as far as to saying I would agree with your statement if I only heard and saw some parts of the story The story goes that mankind was given free will and they were given one rule to never break and they broke that rule…hence we are corrupted by our disobedience and banished from our role…. now back to what you are stating why not have this Jesus figure son of god live a long life and create and innovate and make a movement for many civilization and provide sacred and give a 100% living proof of a teacher and leader who actually caused these things for civilization and make mostly everyone on earth to believe in him Well to answer this question Well if God wanted people to believe in him like robots he would have just done that….instead of creating us with free will But it’s much more complicated that The whole reason the son of god came here was to establish that he was the lamb who was going to be sacrificed for the corruption of mankind…. all we had to do was believe in him and he also spoke & showed us how to live in his way you can say a set of examples to live with… if he had came as you said how then was he going to get slain by his enemies to be sacrificed for mankind….if he had came for dominion and to create a movement and live long and give even more evidence than there already is His life was set on the stone of fate and everything was planned from the start…to which of his students would betray him and how he would die and when
*Quote from Gospel of Thomas is interesting when disciples asked Jesus: We know you are leaving us but whom should we follow after you? This indicates that after surviving death on the Cross and after healing; Jesus told Disciples: that he is leaving Palestine but he did not tell them, where to. Now we have to search where did he go? Secular approach shows his Route. Palestine>Damascus>Nisibis Turkey>Iran>Herat Afghanistan>Taxila Pakistan>Murree Pakistan>Srinagar Kashmir where he died at age 120 and is buried in Rozabal* To say: that Jesus was raised to Sky with his human body, and will return again is 101% Pure Hoax. Literature shows, Just before leaving disciples, on that hilly area was mist and fog. When Jesus left and disappeared; some his followers spread among public hoax that he has been raised to SKY with his body. Quran says in 4:158: that Jesus was raised. But Quran has used Arabic word RAFA in verse 4:158, and word RAFA is also used in many other verses of Quran, where meaning of word RAFA is *TO RAISE IN HONOR and Spiritual Exaltation.* It never means to raise Human body to Sky. But in order support Church's fable, our Mullahs translate word RAFA as to raise Jesus to Sky with Body. In order to raise something Physical Upward, Quran has used word YAS'AD (not RAFA). Noun of Arabic word YAS'AD is Mas'ad. Meaning of Mas'ad is the Elevator which is used in high-rise buildings in order to raise people from first floor to upper floors. Dr. Mohammad Asad PhD has translated Quranic verse 4:158 as under: Quran 4:158 "nay, God exalted him unto Himself - and God is indeed almighty, wise" Asad comments about verse 4:158 as under: cf: 3:55, where God says to Jesus, "Verily, I shall cause thee to die, and shall exalt thee unto Me." The verb rafa ahu (lit., "he raised him" or "elevated him") has always, whenever the act of raf’ ("elevating") of a human being is attributed to God, the meaning of "honouring" or "exalting". Nowhere in the Qur’an is there any warrant for the popular belief that God has "taken up" Jesus bodily, in his lifetime, into heaven. The expression "God exalted him unto Himself" in the above verse denotes the elevation of Jesus to the realm of God's special grace - a blessing in which all prophets partake, as is evident from 19:57, where the verb rafa nahu ("We exalted him") is used with regard to the Prophet Idris. (See also Muhammad ‘Abduh in Manar III, 316 f., and VI, 20f.) The "nay" (bal) at the beginning of the sentence is meant to stress the contrast between the belief of the Jews that they had put Jesus to a shameful death on the cross and the fact of God's having "exalted him unto Himself".
Thank you for comment. This is best wording for explaining part/s. All of the Arabic words mentioned may be used to help put things in perspective. English language yet putting your words as would use: RAFA - YAS'AD (the form not explainable & probably not as just human physical yet a form of physical phenomenon). Then would restate RAFA with ahu, then Mas'ad to make a parable comparison. Elevator use & seeing a body of Jesus without one rising from heaven/sky on earth to another level in SKY & remaining viable with others that he had resurrected (during or after time in tomb that were able to be seen as physical again, visit places in Jerusalem, eat, etc yet changed (?) & seen with Jesus in SKY). 1st the various uses, meanings, colloquialisms, etc of word "dead /death" has to be considered as had/has different forms of use. Were some dead to ppl because the didn't get along yet were living whether moved away or not is one of them or other. Harold Sherman studied phenomena with others & he wrote some of it in his books. (? After reading a bit more is, "Was Jesus actually some where else physically human at the time he entered last place where Apostles were & was able to be seen, talked with, walked with to ascension place, have others that were resurrected appear as meeting him as he was rising (some saw) & (others just saw them appear with him at a level in SKY); only a certain level of understanding followers were believed to have seen these & others that followed hadn't but some believed what ones watching had seen anyway...(? Was Jesus Bi-Locating?)? Prophetic fulfillment Gods way & time. There were (?) yrs in history that ppl had graves miles & countries apart that were marked with wording of "Jesus". Explainations were that some followers took being "one with" to another level of meaning. Other probable reason given by some ppl was that some ppl thought Jesus may have in future or already had another physical death (because of scripture that "flesh & blood cannot enter heaven" & Jesus being son of man...) There were/are 2 likely tomb sites & maybe that is because both were used for him yet no-one was going to tell what was not explainable (?). Being Jesus was able to do things after resurrection humanly physical for 40 days openly & also appear (molecularly changing) passing through parts of buildings, etc ppl them proclaimed him to be an Angel & had to decide about how to explain that. Only part/s understood until Gods right place & time for better understanding.
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@@rogerandjoan4329 In past, some Researchers planned to take DNA sample after opening the Grave but Grave of Jesus is under strict control of those Fanatics who are badly brainwashed by Mullahs. You have to go on war with them in order to take DNA sample. There are tons and tons of multiple historical, archeological and genealogical evidence which all leads to one point, which is: that the Person who is sleeping in the Grave of Rozabal is no one but Jesus/Isa When a well known Indian Saint Sai Baba was asked: do you think, in grave of Rozabal is Jesus? He said: Yes. In that grave is body of Jesus
When the Gospel of Thomas puts words in the mouth of Jesus that say, "... James the Just for whose sake heaven and earth came into being", we can immediately throw it out of the category of scripture. Nothing about that statement is at all consistent with anything Jesus was recorded to have said. We know that such statements are pandering and political because we find such statements in the Roman abortion known as Catholicism about Mary. It's all of this world and is completely out of character for Jesus to have said or believed. It's easy to see how Islam, Catholicism, and other such cults got their start. Furthermore, to claim that it says one thing but it means another is TYPICAL church of Christ gaslighting. I've been raised on this false theology and I recognize it as soon as I see it. Don't tell me that the words, "for whose sake heaven and earth came into being", means something other than is says is to assume I am a complete idiot. I resent that kind of treatment. I left the church of Christ because of it and I think WAY less of you for trying to foist that junk theology on me. For your own sake and the sake of your hearers, READ WHAT IS WRITTEN AND ASSUME THE AUTHOR MEANT WHAT HE WROTE.
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I understand why you reject reinterpreting words to suit a desired meaning. But given that the texts are in a different language from a different time, textual interpretation is inevitable and needed. Translation alone means that significant interpretation is necessary. Beyond translation of idiom, there is translation of expressions. Like you, I find that Tabor is going too far on the interpretation of this quote: "for whose sake heaven and earth came into being" isn't the same thing as "for whose sake the earth is spared God's wrath".
@@charlesiragui2473 - Take the New Testament as a "context" and then repeat the words, "The universe was created for James the Just", and try not to laugh. Prosecution rests, your honor.
@@GizmoFromPizmo Ha! I agree it does sound jarring, not consonant with the Jesus we know from the NT. Tabor and others would probably retort that the NT is itself a set of texts under the influence of Paul.
@@charlesiragui2473 - Paul wrote the majority of the New Testament so that's an easy conclusion to draw. But was he wrong? I think that when you actually do the math on what Paul wrote - his theology on justification - you instantly drop to your knees. NOBODY ELSE saw this. The theology is a PERFECT filter against pretenders. You can fake piety, devotion, good works - all the earmarks of good religion - but you can't fake belief in the promises of God. That is the perfect filter against forgery. And I've proven that more times than I care to recall. So many important people in the church have stumbled over this stumbling stone - this rock of offense. In a bible study one time, I quoted John 15:7 - "If ye abide in me and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will and it shall be done unto you." Or as the NIV put it, "If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish and it shall be given you." I quoted that and the teacher - an elder of the church - replied, "God's not going to give you everything you wish!" This is the PERFECT filter. An important person like that - religious as you please - and yet will, in front of God and all assembled, CONTRADICT the very words of Jesus. They can't help it. This was in the church of Christ - the very denomination Tabor grew up in. Is it no doubt that he learned well from them. Belief in God's word is totally optional. Oh, they'll never admit that but functionally... what do you call what that holy elder did? In another shocking event, another church of Christ small group bible study, I quoted Mark 16:17ff. This is where Jesus says, "In y name they shall cast out devils, etc." He says that they shall drink deadly poison and not be hurt. An elders wife challenged me saying, "Oh yeah? Go out to the kitchen and drink that bottle of bleach under the sink." I recoiled and looked at her and said, "That's unbelief! Patent unbelief." After those incidents, I learned to use God's promises to smoke out pretenders. Abraham believed the promise of God and God appreciated that so much that He imputed His own righteousness to him. Paul was the first one to spot that. Obviously, he wasn't smart enough (as smart as he is) to see that himself. He had the Helper to help him. But everybody else missed it. Not Paul. And we know that this was a doctrine unique to Paul because, aside from James (who was poo-pooing the doctrine of justification by faith) no one else in the first century (that we have any record of) cites that event in Genesis 15. What an AMAZING find. And to this day, most people miss it.
Luke/Acts were written by the same guy - a traveling companion of Paul. Acts is a contemporary history of the first century church. Acts 16 begins the "we" chapters of Acts, where Luke describes first hand events. If Acts were written in 90+ A.D. then why was there no mention of the destruction of Jerusalem - one of the biggest events in the lifetimes of the Judeo-Christians of that day? All of Paul's writings were completed prior to Acts 28 - where we leave Paul imprisoned in Rome, under house arrest. No mention of the events of 70 A.D. All these know-it-all scholars who teach that the canon of New Testament scripture was written in the very late and early 2nd century didn't bother to read or comprehend the very text they presume to date. JUST READ WHAT'S THERE AND CONNECT THE DOTS. If I'm writing a history of the church and I leave out the destruction of Jerusalem then what kind of historian would I be? Acts FOLLOWS Luke and so Luke's gospel - you know, the one that predicts the destruction of Jerusalem - records a prophecy of Jesus that had not yet been fulfilled in the life of the author. We know this because Acts (Luke part 2) doesn't even mention it. You come off as some kind of expert but you haven't even read the text. I've read it and I believe it and this is why I am far more credible than you.
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Ha ha ha ha ha. This guy thinks he's credible because the bible told him so. Ha ha ha ha ha. Its sobering to hear a beleiver comparing brainpans to a scholar. It reminds me of the movie "Waterboy" "but momma says".
@@toddfordr8218 He's making interesting points beneath the ad hominem. He is using textual analysis just like Tabor. The passages in Acts 16 using the pronoun "we" do seem to imply that Luke the author is reporting those specific events first hand. That alone would seem to date Luke/Acts to around 60AD, not 90AD. If Acts was written in 90AD, why does Acts end before the apparently heroic death of Luke's hero Paul? Why does Acts not include the destruction of Jerusalem and many other events to which the apostles were witness (for instance, the persecution of Christians after the burning of Rome)? These events would certainly be ones that contemporary Christians and potential converts would have wanted to have explained from a Christian perspective. These are serious questions, not infantile complaints of the faithful.
@@toddfordr8218 - Well, trolly, I'm talking about logic and connecting logical dots. I'm not a smart scoffer like you who adds NOTHING to the discussion - only a trivial and meaningless mocking. When you've done the kind of research I have then you will have earned a seat at the table. Until then, Bye, Felicia.
*We read in BOOK of books and TRUTH of all truths "Quran" that Mary (mother of Jesus) had Children.* *When mother of Mary delivered Mary (mother of Jesus), she prayed to God:* *Quran 3:36* But when she had given birth to the child, she said: 'O my Sustainer! Behold, I have given birth to a female' - the while God had been fully aware of what she would give birth to, and [fully aware] that no male child [she might have hoped for] could ever have been like this female - *and I have named her Mary. And, verily, I seek Thy protection for her(Mary) and her (Mary's) Children* against Satan, the accursed.' فَلَمَّا وَضَعَتْهَا قَالَتْ رَبِّ إِنِّى وَضَعْتُهَآ أُنثَىٰ وَٱللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا وَضَعَتْ وَلَيْسَ ٱلذَّكَرُ كَٱلْأُنثَىٰ وَإِنِّى سَمَّيْتُهَا مَرْيَمَ وَإِنِّىٓ أُعِيذُهَا بِكَ وَذُرِّيَّتَهَا مِنَ ٱلشَّيْطَـٰنِ ٱلرَّجِيمِ
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To deify Jesus His human family was an inconvenience. Hence they were marginalized.
Also, maybe Mary wasn't so easy to sell on the story that her son wasn't dead.
Both of you are onto something....
I was shocked when I first found this out, it sent me heavily into the work of biblical scholars since then and I learned so much, he is extremely important. I found a great understanding of the early churches, their differences and those involved in their creation. For me it was the key to unlocking the full story of the new testament and also lead to a much stronger understanding and respect for the hebrew bible.
Thank you for this class Dr. Tabor
Great presentation.
Thankyou.
James the Brother of the Lord is a massive subject and more people need to know about it.
Right. Like, why didn't James - a very important figure in the Jewish Temple - come to Paul's defense when he was arrested? Seems like a missed opportunity to me. Paul gets arrested and James is never mentioned again. Umm...
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Maybe because James taught his brothers real teachings, the one that doesn’t mention him being resurrected or mention Jesus calling himself God either, James wasn’t in the NT because he taught the Truth while Paul made it all up
@@Investors_ConsigliereAbsolutely correct.
@@Investors_Consiglierethat's false BC Jesus visits James during his resurrection. It is at this time James changes and becomes a believer and with Peter becomes one of the main figures for Christianity.
Sir...you are shaking the corner stones of Christianity..... congratulations..and thanks a lot for passing the informations.....
😆 no he isn't. Just another 🤡 that is reinterpreting the Bible for financial gain.
That’s not his goal, neither is that what he is doing
@@TheRealDyscyplesWhat is his goal, and what is he doing?
n 2003, Israeli authorities charged the ossuary’s owner, Oded Golan, with forging the inscription. After a lengthy trial, in 2012, Golan was acquitted of forgery due to lack of conclusive evidence, though the debate about the inscription’s authenticity continues.
Thank you for talking the time to do this dr. Tabor.
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Thank you Dr Tabor, love your videos and books.
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Thank you, this was indeed a fair representation of James the Just. A truly heroic figure lost in the NT history. Many learned Muslim scholars have revered James in their lectures and writings as well. Infact, I have heard a discussion on Yaakov Tzadik, or James the Just by Dr. Ali Ataie a phenomenal scholar of theology who has mastered the 4 languages - Greek, Hebrew, Persian and Arabic, he considers "Yaakov Tzadik" similar and his role equivalent to "Abubakar Siddiq" the most important and first caliph to Prophet Muhammed (Peace be upon him)
You have mistaken his reference to Mohammed's brother Ali, like Jesus brother Yaquv.
Ironically you have knowingly or unkniwingly, demonstrated how Yaquv was erased....
For all who are interested, please have a look at Ali's life and the events that followed the death of Muhammed pbuh.
There are so similar specially how Ali was sidelined in favor of others, exactly like Paul overtook Yaquv.
Ali (kaw)is the cousin of Mohamad (pbuh), not his brother.
Moreover, the Ummah is not hereditary, meaning, because Mohammad was the Prophet, so his family gets to rule after him.
Islam is about Shourah( consultative council and assembly ). People get to choose who they want to be ruled by. If they wanted Ali, they could have appointed him in his absence ( he was few meters away) or waited for him.
Don’t forget, at the end, they were all relatives in one way or the other back in the days.
Hallo Dr. Tabor, your videos (speeches) are very interesting and can't wait for you to come to Europe. There are a million questions I have and one day I would like to ask you some. As always I do love your work.
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The man is a genius!!
You might be able to catch him on a live chat on a channel like MythVision and you can superchat your questions to him.
Genius, YES I BELIEVE THAT ITS STILL understatement !!
Dr.Tabor will go in the History BOOKS AS one of the best Historian's and TRUTH SEEKERS in time
Blessings to all
What are your questions I'm intrigued?
Thanks +++ for this precious information! It is profound and rich with clarity. Thanks +++ again!
The early Church must have had great potential for enrichment. Paul, along with Mark, Luke, have excised the family of Jesus of Nazareth from significance. It looks like Paul with the help of Mark and Luke polished all the edges off the Gospels leaving the direction of the religion to be defined by Paul. Paul is a very ambitious fellow.
Paul.. “ was”.. 😀
@@Alephkilo Do you think your lame impulse draws you closer to God and immortality?
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Coming fm someone who gets riled when shown a grammatical error.. 😆
@@Alephkilo Even if you sound reading comprehension skills, I still couldn't save you
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U save me? Wat u smoking dude ? 🤣
Why in the world would anyone translate the Aramaic word 'Aaqov' as "James" rather than the correct translation of the time "Jacob"?? 'Aaqov' (aka 'Yakov) was transliterated in late Latin, then early French, then English to become "James", much later than the supposed timeframe of the artifact.🤔
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Exactly and to say Jacob (Yacov ) was a rare Jewish name is just silly. Fake
And TOTALLY, bout time somebody mentioned. Astute scholar. So, what's bout DAT Yakov Smirnoff.?
I have always heard that the French name Etienne is the same as the name Steven.
Otoh, I have a French cousin named Stéphane which leaves me a bit confused, not gonna lie.
Regardless, all of the above enhances the idea that name translation is sometimes odd.
The ossuary doesn't say James...we use the word James because that's what people know...but it's Yaakov the son of Joseph (Yahosef) brother of yeshua (Jesus). If you'd done more research, you'd have seen this or heard it. This just touches on the "James" ossuary in order to set up the facts of James in the New Testament. I would suggest the other James Tabor lectures that focus just on the ossuary. You can see on those that its not literally James...that's just the English version...NOT the name on the box.
Very illuminating, Dr. Tabor.
VUKUBE EK BAALAM'KU--- THIS IS HIGH GNOSIS MR JAMES I UNDERSTAND THANK YOU.
How often was a sibling of the deceased mentioned in an inscription on an ossuary?
I love what I’m learning…Thank you…
I love the story of little boy Jesus saving his little brother, James’ life after James got bitten by a snake.
Greatful for your channel
Thank you as always!
One of the ones for whom the world still stands! Yes! Roman politics just didn't wish to consider itself or its religion as so conservative or Jewish.
Thank you for the video. Btw, looks like a couple of those scholars are wearing Indiana Jones hats.
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I must have stepped into a more enlightened dimension to be hearing your work.
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Yes in deed . Things are really getting interesting ⚡️
or into darkness
@@nasimagdam2723 you have to get through darkness to emerge full of light. Good luck bud.
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The light and the light bearer. Both Christ and The Fallen One are compared to the Morning Star.
You see. . . It gets tricky.
You can't afford to bee too certain. Test the spirits but test yourself too.
in 2003, Israeli authorities charged the ossuary’s owner, Oded Golan, with forging the inscription. After a lengthy trial, in 2012, Golan was acquitted of forgery due to lack of conclusive evidence, though the debate about the inscription’s authenticity continues.
I’m pretty convinced that the brothers of the lord are also the sons of Clopas/Cleopas/Alpheus. I never thought of the idea that the Mary listed is the same as Jesus’ mother. I have to say I still believe it is an Aunt but interesting to think about. In general on this though I go with Hegesippus, but not him when concerning James. Yes, I know… I’m picking and choosing… guilty as charged.
Every time you say Herchle I think of my grandpa Herchle L Leeper.
At 5 years old when I started too talk. I was a none verbal. My first words was "Grandpa what is the most important thing in life?" Grandpa said " knollage. For with knollage you can learn, and grow. Without knollage you die. Now go tell your mom, and dad you can talk." my mom told me I am James The Brother of The Lord, and my mom argued with God's Angel because she wanted a girl not a boy. After I said I can talk at 5 years old. I am now 43. It is the End of the world.
In the last picture it is Peter on the right side of Jesus looking at James like he doesn't like him. It does remind me of the tensions between Rome and Judea politics. Is it about showing Peter distancing himself from those Jews back in Jerusalem causing all those problems for the Roman Empire?
James what do you think the motive was to minimise James and overlook his importance?
Because paul is the false apostle mentioned by Jesus in Revelation 2:2. Paul literally means least, as in the least in the kingdom for preaching against The Commandments.
Keep Faith in Jesus
Keep His Commandments
www.scribd.com/document/385921496/Deception-of-Paul-The-False-Apostle
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because Paul was in argument with him.
the gospels and acts are pro Paul
WHAT!! It is PAUL who is on the "hate list" compared to the one letter author, James "saved by works AND Faith" ... GO THROUGH ANY COMMENTS WHERE PAUL AND JAMES IS MENTIONED And PAUL is the one with nothing GOOD said about him. Name one Apostolic sign shown James? Signs of power and miracles? KEEPOO LOOKING.
There are so many forgeries out there that it's difficult to even have an informed opinion on some artefacts. If you want to become a person who counterfeits money, then first become someone whose job it is to detect such counterfeits. Likewise when it comes to religious artefact forgeries. They could easily take a bone box that is of the proper age, for example, and grind the stone surface down to remove such things -- making a kind of 'blank'. And then get to work creating the pretend scenery on the newly exposed box surface, so to speak. It reminds me of taking real paper money, bleaching the ink from it, and then taking it to something like a CYMK printer to print a higher denomination bill onto that bleached paper. And no, it's not something I am intimately familiar with, obviously. But it is an idea that has apparantly been done many times by many different criminals. One has to EXPECT such fraudsters in the religious antiquities market. And not necessarily only for monetary gain as a motive....they could also go through such troubles simply to convince others of a false sense of religious history -- which could potentially ultimately sway millions of people to or from a religion if people start to believe it true.
The patina would give that away...especially grinding down the surface
Strange that the saying in GosThom has Jesus say "go to James the Just", rather than "go to my brother James the Just". Strange, that is, if the writer/speaker thought James the Just was the Brother of Jesus, son of Joseph.
And wouldn't it be strange for the Master, Jesus, to refer to his younger brother by the title "the Just" (or the Righteous) that he would only later acquire as the leader of the community after Jesus? This "quote" seems like an ideological anachronism.
Perhaps James was just .. and that wouldn’t be surprised for one who followed Jesus.
Thank you so much!
I'm james. I will be a just king for you in these last days
4:04 Indiana Jones and his dad, Sean Connery.
Prof. Jodi Magness talks some about James in "The Holy Land Revealed" and the ossuary. Her take on it was that only rich people had ossuaries and were buried in this way. She thinks James would not want this. (On the ossuary. Why does the text on the left look so different from the text on the right?)
Given James's emphasis on helping the poor, this makes sense. The communal living of the Jerusalem church, with all property held in common for the common benefit, points to turning from luxury. But wasn't Jesus, the Master, immediately put in a grave and intended for a full burial? This wasn't an egalitarian anarchy; the Jerusalem church had clear leaders and even a central figure, James, the Brother of the Lord. Wouldn't it be strange if the community did not honor its leader?
@@charlesiragui2473 Jodi Magness might say that the community of James resembles the community of Qumran. They did not use Ossuaries in that community either. The Sadducees did use them, including a very decorative one with Caiaphas on it (the high priest during Jesus' time). "What we see here is just another Roman influence on the tombs and burial customs of the Jerusalem elite." - Jodi Magnus. An adaptation of keeping ashes in urns and stone boxes (as Romans did), but the Jews did not adopt cremation. Additionally, to have these Ossuaries, the family would need a tomb for storing them- maybe a garden with it... at which point it isn't really an extra honor given to an individual, but it is a family method, the family's wealth. The real question is: if some rich families joined the church- would those families continue to use their tombs, and invite the community to use them as well. (Lazarus was set in a tomb, his family already had that custom).
@@MatthewKiehl But as a family honor wouldn’t that fit Tabor’s theory of a Jesus Dynasty perfectly?
@@charlesiragui2473 Which part fits perfectly with Tabor? There are huge questions about the Jerusalem church. How big was it? Who "hosted" it? What role did the family of Jesus play? How did they operate? I'm not saying it is impossible for the ossuary to be James - of the Jerusalem church, but it is very hard to verify.
@@MatthewKiehl I meant simply that if one were to take Tabor's theory that the Church of Jerusalem had been led successively by brothers of Jesus, then it could make sense that even a communal living type group like them would spend on a luxury such as an ossuary for the first, most influential of the brothers. And Tabor would have the four brothers as among the 12 apostles and James the "Beloved Disciple". If Tabor is right, then James would have had a special status among the Jerusalem community, as the apostle closest to Jesus, even anointed by Jesus.
isn't this the ossuary that Eisenmann disputes? Does he still hold a view against it?
In my family, from Bertry, Cambrésis, France, Jean Lemaire a grand Oncle, Were A french Evêque in China, then organized the church out of communist China, don't know if this is related to your Epigraphist... But, my mother is Jacqueline, my first cousin were Jacques, then Jean-Paul, then Pierre. We are from a very Christian Family, but so seems some were knowing the grace given to everyone, particularly Jacques, Jacob. The fist sister of my mother Jacqueline, is named Christianne, the mother of my cousin Jacques, Anne-Marie. I think this is very interesting that no matter what Rome's religion tried to erase, James were at the beginning of the 20th century, as well Known as Christ. But this perhaps say something of our origins. In Bertry and Troisvilles one part of us are said to be the Yellows, perhaps one reason my gran oncle went to china, in Manchouria, missionary from Rome's church, this is the white chinese region, well known from prehistory and early china dynasties. So we are not from China, but mostly from Russia, as Sarmates, and Saka, with yellow skin, asian eyes but blue or green like I Have. So over the generations, we keep our physical set, but I'm sure, the spirit of God in a Slavon Bible manner.... Slavon Bible came from Greek Bible, but early one, then, Cyrille and Methodni came to teach the bible, and as Slavon were not a written language, they built an Alphabet from Greek letters, and that became the Cyrillic Alphabet, that then diffused to the North, as it is as now the Alphabet of the Slavics, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Serbia, but also, Ukraina, and of course Russia, Ossetia, and lot of countries from the Russian Federation. I were born in Lille, France, and I'm living now in Bulgaria, so the iconic James you show is for me a confirmation that my way to live in Jesus is appropriate in what history you reveal is some well known story to peoples living at North of Jerusalem. In fact, I know Jesus and James as if Rome had never existed as trying with vatican to pervert our minds. First concile stated that Évêques are the endorsed of God on Earth. For me this is where the stolen story took place. Jesus the lord is inside Us, we are the church, none can say that God endorsed Him, so what about Paul? My father, two gran father's name is Paul. I think perhaps after the death of Jesus, and James, Paul had to take power, and did it well, but some spirit have been lost, James was Just, Paul liked Power, so this remind me that Ostrogoths came to Rome to be in God's power, so Paul were the good guy to read. Nothing as that in Constantinople. All the Wisdom from the writers as you expose were clear about the Jesus and James Teaching. Lot of Christians only refers to the Bible. Bertry were also a capital for the reform. Protestants came here in the end of 19th century to discuss about their church, there have been doctrinal battles in this village! Those who like Power dont like the ones who are in high level of Wisdom. This never changed, we are in the same war today.
Perhaps we are the ones who are trying to stop te time before Apocalypse. As we will die, apocalypse will come. So important to be Christians in the biblical time we are. For that, we must find what became to Mary, Mary Magdalene, and the other mothers that had played a central role in the doctrine of the professor. Did they have been the ones who written the apostolic texts? For me this is evidence Jesus had a Maternal High Wisdom, protecting life, rising like Sun, and perhaps the success of Christianity is made by Women. Globalist order will not Win because We are the Truth, and they uses lies to take power. No mother is living in lies, but Reality, perception and immediate response, there's no Baby alone in Nature, he would die, that's why God made mothers the center of Truth Perception. Globalist beast will never have babies without mothers in Empathy reading and Wisdom reading of the real.
It's a wonder that no one at the ROM in Toronto lost their jobs over this ossuary hoax, as they were certainly warned that the object was of dubious authenticity and had no provenance behind it, but they were just moving into a major fundraising campaign and wanted a big coup like this to raise their institutional profile. It didn't take long for the whole thing to unravel and it was shipped out soon afterwards with no further mention.
Thankfully, the ossuary wouldn't add anything to our knowledge of James the Just so the whole thing is immaterial, and the rest of your lecture on James is very interesting and informative.
Jesus had 4 brothers
That's a similar story to what happened with Imam Ali after Prophet Muhammad.
It's been a year, what are the DNA results?
Wait.....so Jesus never really existed, but here is physical evidence of his brother?
"When the existence of the burial box, or ossuary, was announced in October, it stirred great excitement as potentially the earliest historical artifact linked to Jesus. But Israel's Antiquities Authority said it had found overwhelming evidence that the inscription on the box was a fake produced in modern times.Jun 19, 2003"
@@scambammer6102 there's a Dr tabor video about that, he's really into it, talpiot, etc
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I love this guys video's. He's now taken over Bart Ehrman as by fave bible guy
Then you need professional help.
Bart erhmsn is atheist
Considering the care usually expended on museum artifacts in transport for exhibitions, it is EXTREMELY RARE that such an "accident" happened; UNless, it WASN'T an accident and somebody was hoping to get rid of a troublesome forgery!! 😮🤨🧐🤔😎
Notice the long side of the ossuary is so ROUGH the inscription can't even be discerned unless close-up. But the short end side has been SMOOTHED!! Makes you 🤔 WHY they didn't carve it THERE??
EVEN the OPPOSITE long side looks smoother than the one the inscription is carved in. Was that done to DISGUISE its modernity and LESSEN the discovery of metal residue material in scraping samples??
Wonder WHY they would inscribe the name of a peasant on the BOX instead of on the REPLACEABLE LID so the ossuary itself could be REused, if necessary? Poor people couldn't afford such things on a repeated basis. They would thus fill the SAME ossuary with different relatives' bones, namely the 💀 NOT the whole skeleton. Wealthy people could afford to have separate bone boxes for each skeleton; BUT even the "Joseph Caiaphas" ossuary found in a tomb by archaeologists in the early 1990's was reported to have SEVERAL people's bones in it, NOT just the former chief priest's!
Actually, I DON'T see criss-cross scratches running THROUGH the letters in the close-up of the inscription as the sketch Tabor showed depicted! 🧐🤨🤔
VERY POOR "scholarship" Pro. Tabor!! You should NOT make inferences of association from a citation that DOESN'T exist!!
I was about to check "Mark" 15:40 to see WHERE James was mentioned as being the "son of Mary and Clophas" since in my NUMEROUS readings of the "Gospels" I NEVER remembered seeing THAT statement, BEFORE you admitted it was merely a hypothetical.
At this point I might as well state that IF the ossuary itself is ancient but the inscription on it ISN'T of an ancient person named "James" who just happened to be the SON of a "Joseph" and who wanted to have himself LINKED when he died with being the BROTHER of that MOST famous of "Jesuses", then it IS a MODERN FORGERY; because ALL the "Jameses" that are listed as ONE of Jesus' brothers in the "Gospels" are described as "SON of ALPHAEUS", NOT "son of Joseph" OR "son of Cleophas".
Therefore, IF James was the SON of JOSEPH, then it is a LIE that he was the BROTHER of JESUS. IF James was the SON of ALPHAEUS and BROTHER or "half-brother" of JESUS, then it is a LIE that he was the SON of JOSEPH! In other words, it CAN'T BE BOTH, according to ALL "Gospel" accounts, that he was the SON OF JOSEPH AND THE BROTHER of JESUS. Thus, the ossuary inscription is either an ANCIENT LIE or a MODERN FORGERY, in either case by someone who DIDN'T know the "Gospels" sufficiently to be accurate.
UNLESS........ James WAS the SON of ALPHAS/ALPHAEUS, who I think by the rhyming names, was the brother of CLOPHAS/CLEOPHAS" but was inexplicably ADOPTED by JOSEPH, the father of JESUS and a man not even James' uncle after Alphaeus DIED! 🤔
So the 🗝️ question it all comes down to is, WHO was Jesus REALLY the SON of?? Jehovah, Joseph, OR Alphaeus??? WE KNOW what the religious PROPAGANDA of the "Gospels" says, BUT, coincidentally enough, in the "Apocalypsis of John" 22:13 Jesus is written to say of himself: I AM the ALPHA and the Omega...." COULD THIS mean he was REALLY the "great" or eldest SON of ALPHAS/ALPHAEUS?? Just like JAMES and JOSEPH and Judas and Simon and Matthew....????? 🤔🤨🧐😮
I would have to DISagree that the expression pertaining to James in the "Gospel of Thomas" refers to the "Twelve Righteous" of Talmudic tradition because THEY are supposed to be the reason God SUSTAINS and MAINTAINS this damnedly corrupt World instead of just DESTROYING it. This "Gospel", which I have read and am well familiar with, (my middle name is Thomas by the way, for all that matters) states that James is the REASON God CREATED the World!! THAT'S an even BIGGER claim than merely SUSTAINING IT for a few righteous ones; as God was going to do Sodom and Gomorrah. Therefore I think there is really an allusion to the "Torah" scriptures account of Jehovah telling Abraham that his descendents would be as numerous as the ✨ of Heaven and the sands of the 🌊shore; which happened THROUGH YAQABA/Jacob/James as Father of the Twelve Tribes. Therefore, it was a JUDISH way of inferring that the 🌍 was created FOR the HEBREWS!! 🤨 😮
Dr Tabor, and others, I am interested how James comes across to believers and non believers AS A PERSONALITY. I personallly am drawn to Paul, and find James a bore, riding on the coattails of his brother's "harder law sayings" , meant to frustrate, not to KEEP! . EG, In Acts 15, PETER seems willing to give up on all law righteousness , having reached a point of "works righteousness", BURNOUT, which is exatly what is supposed to happen in Paul's "Gospel" . James, Just did not "get it", ()sola fide) as I believe he could find justification by "doing". It was his "gravitas" that won the day. Meanwhile , the "real doers" -All the other Apostles, I believe SAW the end of the road of the past Passovers, Now replaced by "Sola Gratius:" DID HE HAVE THE LAST WORD BECAUSE 'he was the Lord's brother?? FOR THAT IS FAVORITISM.
Did we ever get the WHY?
Don't want to listen to the whole thing again 🤔
You don't translate names...these are supposed to be left in their original.
There must be thousands of potentially valuable documents and artifacts without provenances. Hopefully, in the course of time, our sciences and scholarship will develop to the point that we will be able to ensure authenticity or not without an unbroken written record. I’m pretty sure we eventually will. Like, for example, being able to tell from wear patterns how long a text may have been carved into a slab or stone.
I am confused by the liberal use of the Gospels of Thomas & Peter. I thought those were rejected as heretical, failing the basic proofs for authenticity...and created centuries later by people not directly associated with Jesus. ??
D.M. Murdock/Acharya S.
This poses the same dilemma as that facing the followers of Mohammed after his death. Who should lead the movement now. Those advocating dynastic succession are now the Shia, while those who advocated that the most insightful and competent should lead are now the Sunnis. If you listen to Jesus own teachings as a guide it is very apparent that he did not put any faith in familial associations. In essence neither does the entire Old Testament as the history of the kings and even of the priesthood (consider first Eli and then Samuel whose sons were unworthy of taking their father’s position as priest and judge) is being shown by many examples that dynastic succession leads to disaster. Consider the case of Solomon and his son Rehoboam who divided the kingdom due to his arrogance and sense of entitlement.
Less... how about The Lesser Freckled James?
It would be hard to contest your textual analysis of Luke/Acts as Luke intending to diminish the importance of James (and the other individual brothers of Jesus). Yet the appearance of James in Acts shows that he is not excising him from history either. This seems to be, as you say, a reading of history in which James did not represent the main branch of the faith/church. Luke is commonly thought to be writing for Gentile Christians, so emphasizing Paul and diminishing James would be somewhat expected. But why go so far as to obscure his leadership role in the Jerusalem Church? It seems that the theological rift with kosher Jews could explain the retelling largely without James and his brothers. In this case, it is interesting that Peter takes on such significance. It would seem from this and from Galatians 2:11-13 that Peter was torn between Paul and James and ultimately sided with Paul. Luke would not have given Peter this prominent place were this not the case.
Thus, the logic by which James was diminished by Luke (theology) must also assign to Peter his importance (theology). Peter is given the speech at Pentecost. Peter heals the lame man at the Temple and defends Jesus to the Sanhedrin. And so forth. Peter is portrayed as a purveyor of correct theology. This must have actually been true (ie he adhered to Pauline theology).
We have to read that into the text, tho, I think. Luke is sharing stories of the first days of the church that he gathered from the people who were there. They didn't mention James, perhaps, because he hadn't risen to power yet. As long as the apostles remained in Jerusalem it was their show. It wasn't until after they flew the coop that other people had to step in.
In Acts 6, the apostles got tired of trying to stretch the budget to feed all these people who were waiting for Jesus to return to Jerusalem. The apostles were still "tarrying in Jerusalem", waiting for the power Jesus promised them. They'd received it but it looked like the same power they'd had when they were walking with Jesus during His ministry. I don't blame them for expecting more. Maybe that's why they didn't leave Jerusalem. Who knows, really?
But as long as they were there, it was their show. Eventually they left Jerusalem. Peter winds up in Joppa and then to Caesarea where he converts some Gentiles (Cornelius and his house) and then rushes back to Jerusalem to tell them what happened - the Gentiles had received the same power they'd received on Pentecost! It was the Holy Spirit and Peter knew it! This meant salvation for the Gentiles WITHOUT their having been circumcised! Crazy times for sure.
In Acts 11, Luke writes that Peter told this story in Jerusalem to the elders and to "those of the circumcision". This may have included James, who was definitely included in that tribe (see the Book of Galatians). James was certainly rising to power by then because the apostles had been scattered due to the persecution that had broken out (Acts 9). But Peter had been traveling to Samaria and other parts of the nation by then. The tarrying in Jerusalem stuff was over.
If you just read what's there you can see that Peter indeed played an important role in those first years. We don't see James the Just until after James the Apostle is killed in Galilee by King Herod (Acts 12). And by Acts 15, now James is deciding the outcome of the controversy that circumcision of the Gentiles wasn't necessary. He has taken on the mantle of a Judge (in the Jewish sense).
His rise to power was an evolution and that evolution is only suggested by the text but not explored in detail. Maybe James didn't document his rise to power. Luke was only writing down what people were telling him happened in those first years. He hit the high parts and missed a lot of details.
James wasn't written out by a long shot. His importance in the contrast between the mainstream religion and the theology of justification by faith is a s fresh today as it was back then. Almost everybody believes you have to earn God's grace and you earn it by cleaning up yourself for Him - doing your best for God. That is surely the way we earn God's salvation. Wouldn't it be crazy if that was NOT the way?
@@GizmoFromPizmo James was killed by the religious authorities in 62AD, probably around the time Luke was writing.
When did James become the leader of the Jerusalem community? Luke certainly doesn't tell us. In Galatians, Paul says that James is in charge in Jerusalem and admonishes Peter when he behaved differently with Gentile Christians while people sent by James were around. Galatians has been dated to 48AD.
Tabor makes the case that James was consistently the leader of the Jerusalem church from the Ascension of Jesus. Luke/Acts tells a different story, leading to Tabor's sharp textual analysis of a minimization of James's role.
It seems to me that Luke does not accept the theology and leadership of James. No doubt, Luke admired Paul immensely. My above point to Tabor is that if we accept that Luke minimizes the role of James (seems true to me) then Tabor has to accept that Luke treats Peter as a hero, meaning that the theological problem of James did not extend to Peter.
In Tabor's book The Jesus Dynasty, he suggests that Peter shared James's view of Jesus as just a righteous prophet and human messiah. That's why I made this extension of his textual analysis: we do know that Peter shared Paul's theology because Luke gave Peter a starring role.
@@charlesiragui2473 - That may be but then again, it may not be. It's not important when James took over the church at Jerusalem. Like I said in an earlier post, it may be that James was the only one left standing after the apostles and even the men appointed by the apostles fled that city.
He wasn't named among the men appointed to take the apostle's place as they were isolating themselves from the daily service to the saints (see Acts 6:5). I think James was there in Acts 11 when Peter came back from Caesarea to tell the church about Cornelius and his household. But that's just speculation. In Acts 15, James talks like he was well aware of what went on that day and that's why I'm assuming he might have been there at the time.
All Tabor has is speculation based on a hunch. My speculation is based on the text of accepted history. It amounts to a whole lot of nothin' in the scheme of things, however.
What does matter - ETERNALLY - is what they avoid talking about in this and other videos. Are we justified by works or by faith in the promises of God? If we're scoring this thing like you would a debate then Paul comes way out on top. His argument is solidly based on the Law of Moses. James turns the statement in Genesis 15:6 into a prophecy to be fulfilled at a later time. NOBODY EVER interpreted it that way but James needed to pull a rabbit out of his hat to make that verse go away.
How would you score the controversy? Do you think it's important? Do you think they were on the same side or opposite sides of this theology? I'd like to know your opinion after this long discussion.
@@GizmoFromPizmo In Matthew 7:21-23 Jesus says that "only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven" will enter the kingdom of heaven. I believe (and Tabor does too) that Matthew is absolutely with Paul theologically, so I don't think that the difference between James and Paul really comes down to works v faith.
Jews believed absolutely in faith to Yahweh and they believed also that the Law was the primary vehicle for sealing their covenant with Yahweh. Jesus wanted Jews to take their faith to the highest spiritual level and Paul interpreted this as also leaving much of Mosaic Law behind.
What is the will of Jesus's Father? That is the real question. I believe that Jesus answered this question: Love God and love your neighbor as yourself. He also answered what is to love your neighbor (parable of the Good Samaritan). He also answered what is to love God: there is no greater love than to give your life for your friend. As Paul said: it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me.
So where was James? James believed that Jews needed to stay faithful to the Mosaic Law, that Jesus was a prophet and messiah of Israel. He saw the resurrected Jesus and was a righteous man. But ultimately, he could not see the full Lordship of Jesus. That is why he is largely forgotten. But the Church included his letter in the New Testament canon because his righteousness and love for Jesus gave his words eternal value.
@@charlesiragui2473 - There is a lot more theology to it than simply, "do your best for God", IMHO. I mean it's worth it but that philosophy runs out VERY quickly. Unless you're drawing a paycheck, you can't keep that up for long. You will burn out. Take this verse for example:
James 4:17 - Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
That is a favorite passage of the "strong commitment" crowd. Ask me how I know...
That philosophy grows legs and eventually eats you alive. For example, you're committed to God, right? Are you absolutely doing everything you could be doing right now for God? If not then you are sinning.
Jesus Christ Himself cannot save you from that kind of "sinning". That is obsession or some other brain disorder. OCD? You can't slow down or you'll disappoint God, you rotten sinner, you. GET TO WORK!
This is the logical conclusion of the works righteousness philosophy. With the wrong theology, you will drive yourself away from God because nobody (unless they're getting a paycheck) can keep that up for long. Think about it. Put that burden on your back and then listen to this passage:
"I will never leave you nor forsake you."
Dude, under the burden of you inescapable sinning, that's not a promise; that's a CURSE! You can't get away from your divine taskmaster. It's a HORRIBLE and TERRIFYING existence. And that is the exact torture that this "works righteousness" philosophy that people live under. Ask me how I know.
Mary was a virgin until she gave birth to Jesus ... After that she had children with Joseph. half Brothers and sisters of Jesus....James was one of Jesus' half brothers....Matthew 12 v 46
1Cor 9:5
That is the worst translation I have ever seen of that verse. It does not say ‘wife’ it says sister-wife (adelphe guney), as is correctly translated by the Derby, King James, Douay Rheims, Diaglott, Greens, Living Oracles, Rotherham, Webster, and the Vulgate Bibles. Note: some Bibles say Christian-wife or believer-wife, but that is a deliberate mistranslation of adelphe.
Yes sister-wife, just as King Agrippa II had his sister-wife, Berenike. This was an ancient tradition going back to Egypt, and Christians should not be covering up the truth, just because they do not like it.
Ralph
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So many artifacts that don't fit the narrative are said to be fogeries. Very sad.
I think Mary very well could've had more children after Jesus, but i think it's more likely they are Joseph's from a deceased wife and that he was much older than she.
This issue of brother of YAHUSHUA - James is easily proven by the text of the psalm 69.
Because Yohannan (John) quoted psalm 69 what was written about Yahushua in his epistle John 2:17 reads:
17. His disciples remembered that it is written: "Zeal for your house will consume me."
Now, if you go back to psalm 69 and read the whole sentence, you will get:
Psalm 69:8-9 (is one sentence)
"I am a stranger to my brothers,
an alien to my own mother's sons, for zeal for your house consumes me, and insults of those who insult you fall on me."
Anyone, who considers the scripture sacred will understand if he is Yahushua disciple that it speaks of him, and says "my own mother's sons"
If anyone still doubts, because many remembered after the crusifuction that psalm 69 was fulfilled to the letter! Even words as 'thirst' and 'gull' and 'vinegar'
68:21
"They put gull in my food, and gave me vinegar for my thirst"
Case is close and there is really no debate!
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Psalm 69’doesnt refer to Jesus . Was Jesus saying that they gave me vinegar for my thirst ? Psalm
69 is written from first person point of view.
@@Alephkilo
Messianic psalm and it is only understood from the view point from a cross downward:
John 19:28-30
28¶After this, Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said (to fulfill the Scripture), “I thirst.”
29A jar full of sour wine stood there, so they put a sponge full of the sour wine on a hyssop branch and held it to his mouth.
30When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
verse 28 says TO FULFILL THE SCRIPTURE = psalm 69 where it speaks of vinegar.
@@konstantinerzyaykin8155
Read Psalm 69. It is spoken in the first person and not about the future . Also psalm 69 says
May the table set before them become a snare; may it become retribution and[b] a trap. May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see, and their backs be bent forever.
Pour out your wrath on them.
Did Jesus say that ?
It is ridiculous to extrapolate a reference to Vinegar as equating that with Jesus. U r free to believe otherwise..
Surely. At best, they were half brothers of jesus, same mam. Different dad 😊
His name was Jacob not James
James the Just _is_ the closest thing to a 'historical' Jesus.
You could call most of youtube Bible videos "erasing Jesus".
Then look for Bart ehrman.
@@camarosspr Ehrman's job is "erasing Christianity".
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DNA tests should be done on all the ossuaries from the Talpiot tomb, to reveal all the relationships and to prove if the box of the son of Jesus is really his son!
If he was crucified he wasnt buried. If he was buried it would not have been in a rich man's tomb. It's so absurd. Just read the bible. It answers all question. And if it doesnt then add some secular critical scholarship. The mystery will disappear.
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The only similarly between Jacob and James name is the "Ja".
It is so annoying listening to you say James when you acknowledge that the name is Jacob and that the James is from King James
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Joe, the brother of Abraham Lincoln, some of Samuel Lincoln, of course he is real because there are others named Abraham and have father's by that name, pretty damn lame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SHOVE IT
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Thomas is Jesus's brother; his name is twin
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Because they had messed with everything and stolen people's identities and possessed people and it all leads back to the same thing and they know that and that's why... Even his own brothers didn't believe him but his mother did.
I don't think Mary believe Jesus either, because he called him God crazy when she went with his brothers and sisters to go get him out of that house. There was no mention of an angel, a virgin birth, or any of that tripe you find in Matthew and Luke does proving Matthew and Luke were written to clean up Mark🤔💭
Yeah... Proven mark 6:30
By this logic here, Judas should be the brother of Jesus also oh, I found it funny when you got to that verse you say Jude. But then the Epistle of Jude is not the brother of the Lord, even though he would have to be
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It would be interesting to know who erased the name of James a half brother to Jesus, also Jude, another half brother to Jesus, who wrote a book in the New Testament. Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, Joseph her husband did not know her, or he did not have any sexual relations with Mary until that special baby was born, Our Saviour, The Son of God, because he was born of God, Son of Man, because he was born of a woman, an ordinary girl, that was chosen by GoD to bring his Son into the world for our redemption.
Mary had at least 5 other children after Jesus was born. DID not the rabbis in the 🕍 Sinagoge when Jesus got up to read the lesson on the sabbarh day, state, Is this not the son of Joseph the carpenter, and his mother Mary, and we have his brothers and sisters here with us, This is what is written in the New Testament, and afterwards did they not try to stone Jesus to death, because he stated. This day these scriptures are fulfilled in your sight,
Surely the priests of the temple, were not stating an aunt or uncle's children. That would make no sense.
It had to be the Catholic Church that changed Mary, into the ever virgin, She was a young married woman, with a husband, it would make no sense either that he never had a relationship with Mary. The Catholic Church again changed Mary into someone who was completely without sin, born without sin. Again that makes no sense, It was Eve, that sinned, the first woman, and it had to be a daughter of Eve, that would bring the one who would clense us from sin into the world.
They the Catholic Church used Mary for their own ends, just as they used Mary Magdalene, to their own ends and have had to apologise for it. Mary does not have twelve stares over her head, this actually goes back to the wife of Nimrod and his pagan wife, The tower of Bable,. WAHERE ALmighty God changed the
languages of the world as men were trying to upsurge GOD. Winifred Thompson. Northern Ireland.
Mark of his name.
Luke... 6:16.
JAMES
Greek does not say "son of" but just the genitive...often indicating "brother," which I take it to mean in this context...since Jude and James are brothers, even two books attributed to them in the NT...see Jude 1.
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Monday morning quarterbacking isn't very helpful. Accusing Luke of downplaying James because Paul was his "hero" is just so much name calling. Luke traveled with Paul and understood the persecution that Paul went through at the hands of James the Just (see Galatians and Corinthians). I'm 42-minutes into this video and I have not heard you once mention the fact that the religion of James was in direct opposition to Paul's gospel. This was the controversy of the first century and the 600-pound gorilla in the room that you have not even mentioned.
So it's like he has a completely different opinion generated by approaching the source material differently. . . Interesting.
I wonder: is forming any opinion drawing from any evidence contrary to the default then considered "Monday quarterbacking?" Is there any discussion of history that is not "Monday quarterbacking? Why is that if we're all discussing the same material?
Is there any real difference in what you are doing by making your comment beyond how rude and condescending you are being?
If there is, can you provide historical and archaeological evidence to support your claims as being obviously solely and exclusively correct?
From my standpoint, most of the claims of any given theology are largely hypothetical, so appealing to mystical or spiritual stuff isn't relevant to me on this matter. So please don't bring that up. Revelation might exist, or it might just be the neural confusion caused by toxin ingestion or disease. Many a claimed prophet has been found to actually be Ill or poisoned rather than inspired. I can't and won't take it as epistemically relevant without actual evidence.
And if you actually don't have physically verifiable facts that establish this matter as clearly as you insist it is, do you think you can cut back on the vitriol a bit? It makes you seem like you're trying to cover over some insecurity or like you're trying to argue a point you fear may not be true. It certainly does not project the kind of confidence you probably expect it does. Frankly, it makes you come off as untrustworthy.
Thanks in advance.
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Tabor goes in depth into this theological controversy between Paul and James in his 2006 book The Jesus Dynasty. He makes the provocative claim that Paul alone had a theology of the resurrection and salvation by faith and that James had a Jewish belief in Jesus as Rabbi teaching the Way of salvation by works.
@@paulbishop6357 - You've fallen into the trap that every Atheist I've ever heard falls into. You assume that the reality on the ground did not exist 20-odd centuries ago.
Archaeological evidence, in this discussion, can be limited to the textual evidence we have in our hands. It's not archaeology as much as it is textual. You must have missed that from my OP.
You're trying to tell me that the words of actual people in actual places is superstition. That's poppycock. If a man writes about something that is happening to him then I tend to believe that. If the people around him are testifying to that very same thing happening to that man then I absolutely believe him. You've completely missed the point of my OP.
I base my arguments on the testimony of people who actually lived in the first century A.D. All you have is ... nothing, as a matter of fact. All you said in all the words you wrote is, "Nuh uh!"
What is YOUR evidence that James and Paul disagreed on the source of righteousness? You don't have any because to you, such a thing is mere superstition. All you're doing is talking about how stupid I am compared to you. Well let me set your mind at ease, trolly.
I've DONE my homework. I'm not sitting in my mom's basement taking pot shots at people who have done the research. People like you are a dime a dozen. You are clouds without rain. There is no substance to anything you've written. "Nuh uh", isn't an argument but that's all you've produced.
I have actual textual evidence that Tabor has indeed read but chooses to ignore. I won't waste that evidence on some self-assured internet troll.
@@GizmoFromPizmo I'm not an atheist.
Not even slightly.
Why do you assume I am? Because I do not believe identically to you? Pft.
But you are an insecure presumptuous fool who loves to resort to straw men to booster your unsubstantiated imaginings.
Provide those sources and stop slinging ad hominems and clumsy rhetoric.
Site your sources and actually reason or go weep in your corner. I am not impressed.
You offered not one single bit of reasoning or textual evidence. Not one. You provide no logos, just angst.
Grow up.
We have to remember, that Martin Luther was not a fan of James in the slightest, and is on record for his disdain for having it in canon.
In the same breath, we have to remember protestantism, or the reformation, what was it reforming? Christianity, it was reforming Catholicism.
The word of God being born out by the Christian church, was underground suffering yet another Inquisition...
So, that left the counterfeit... By the way was protested by islam, so the Jesus that the Muslims talk about, it's not that Jesus the bible, it's the dumb down Jesus the Catholics who they were constant struggle against, that's who they were fighting...
If we just leave history alone it will tell us what happened, if we need to pre-empt it and try to lay some tracks going in another direction, that means we are trying to guide history... Then the question becomes, why?
What is we are trying to say by that action?
Hey we know those roads tend to lead to blasphemy and heresy.
Anyway, I just hopped in to leave my two cents
DNA is important.
It's like Tabor never read the Gospel of Luke. Luke is the one and only who details the birth of John the Baptist. Without Luke, we don't know that John is related to Jesus. Furthermore, EVERYBODY knew that John was baptizing. He was the biggest thing on the religious landscape. Everybody also knew the story of Jesus being baptized by John. There was no conspiracy to keep this thing a secret. Furthermore, none of the gospels indicate that these recorded events were unique to these Gospels. They all seemed to know about each other. Certainly, Luke and John's gospels explicitly identify themselves as one of many.
John's baptism was so famous that Paul bumped into "certain disciples" in Ephesus who had been baptized "unto John's baptism". John was still baptizing well after his own death. Even Christian disciples were receiving John's baptism. It was invalid and they had to be baptized into Christ but the fact that it was still going on that late and that far away shows how famous John's baptism was.
This is my take... a life saving ministry could never be this difficult & complicated to decipher & understand. NEVER...!!!
Who sends his only begotten son to die a terribly death leaving behind so much confusion...? A Godly life in exchange for a mere 3 years of ministry recorded by unknown 3rd parties many decades later, filled with contradictions.
Jesus SHOULD have hung around longer & written sacred texts himself..!!!! estabished a movement that produced great & many civilizations that could validated the sacred teachings. Living proof of a gr8 teacher & leader.
Instead we were left with 100s of ambiguities, giving rise to many wars & millions of lives lost over different theologies.
Maybe we would have been better off without this Jesus story who, because of his supposed provocative mouth & showy displays of miracles apparently got him killed too early...!!
A failed mission if you ask me....!!!
disclaimer: no blasphemy intended, just a simple human using some common sense...!!
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I wouldn’t call it common sense brother unless you know the whole story behind…I completely understand what you are saying and I would even go as far as to saying I would agree with your statement if I only heard and saw some parts of the story
The story goes that mankind was given free will and they were given one rule to never break and they broke that rule…hence we are corrupted by our disobedience and banished from our role…. now back to what you are stating why not have this Jesus figure son of god live a long life and create and innovate and make a movement for many civilization and provide sacred and give a 100% living proof of a teacher and leader who actually caused these things for civilization and make mostly everyone on earth to believe in him
Well to answer this question
Well if God wanted people to believe in him like robots he would have just done that….instead of creating us with free will
But it’s much more complicated that
The whole reason the son of god came here was to establish that he was the lamb who was going to be sacrificed for the corruption of mankind…. all we had to do was believe in him and he also spoke & showed us how to live in his way you can say a set of examples to live with… if he had came as you said how then was he going to get slain by his enemies to be sacrificed for mankind….if he had came for dominion and to create a movement and live long and give even more evidence than there already is
His life was set on the stone of fate and everything was planned from the start…to which of his students would betray him and how he would die and when
I find him hard to follow. All over the map.
James is well known. I think you all are bonkers. He was executed by stoning. CHuck Missler gives talks about it.
*Quote from Gospel of Thomas is interesting when disciples asked Jesus: We know you are leaving us but whom should we follow after you? This indicates that after surviving death on the Cross and after healing; Jesus told Disciples: that he is leaving Palestine but he did not tell them, where to. Now we have to search where did he go? Secular approach shows his Route. Palestine>Damascus>Nisibis Turkey>Iran>Herat Afghanistan>Taxila Pakistan>Murree Pakistan>Srinagar Kashmir where he died at age 120 and is buried in Rozabal*
To say: that Jesus was raised to Sky with his human body, and will return again is 101% Pure Hoax. Literature shows, Just before leaving disciples, on that hilly area was mist and fog. When Jesus left and disappeared; some his followers spread among public hoax that he has been raised to SKY with his body.
Quran says in 4:158: that Jesus was raised. But Quran has used Arabic word RAFA in verse 4:158, and word RAFA is also used in many other verses of Quran, where meaning of word RAFA is *TO RAISE IN HONOR and Spiritual Exaltation.* It never means to raise Human body to Sky. But in order support Church's fable, our Mullahs translate word RAFA as to raise Jesus to Sky with Body.
In order to raise something Physical Upward, Quran has used word YAS'AD (not RAFA). Noun of Arabic word YAS'AD is Mas'ad. Meaning of Mas'ad is the Elevator which is used in high-rise buildings in order to raise people from first floor to upper floors.
Dr. Mohammad Asad PhD has translated Quranic verse 4:158 as under:
Quran 4:158 "nay, God exalted him unto Himself - and God is indeed almighty, wise"
Asad comments about verse 4:158 as under:
cf: 3:55, where God says to Jesus, "Verily, I shall cause thee to die, and shall exalt thee unto Me." The verb rafa ahu (lit., "he raised him" or "elevated him") has always, whenever the act of raf’ ("elevating") of a human being is attributed to God, the meaning of "honouring" or "exalting".
Nowhere in the Qur’an is there any warrant for the popular belief that God has "taken up" Jesus bodily, in his lifetime, into heaven.
The expression "God exalted him unto Himself" in the above verse denotes the elevation of Jesus to the realm of God's special grace - a blessing in which all prophets partake, as is evident from 19:57, where the verb rafa nahu ("We exalted him") is used with regard to the Prophet Idris.
(See also Muhammad ‘Abduh in Manar III, 316 f., and VI, 20f.) The "nay" (bal) at the beginning of the sentence is meant to stress the contrast between the belief of the Jews that they had put Jesus to a shameful death on the cross and the fact of God's having "exalted him unto Himself".
Islam is justasfake as Christianity dude
Thank you for comment. This is best wording for explaining part/s. All of the Arabic words mentioned may be used to help put things in perspective. English language yet putting your words as would use: RAFA - YAS'AD (the form not explainable & probably not as just human physical yet a form of physical phenomenon). Then would restate RAFA with ahu, then Mas'ad to make a parable comparison. Elevator use & seeing a body of Jesus without one rising from heaven/sky on earth to another level in SKY & remaining viable with others that he had resurrected (during or after time in tomb that were able to be seen as physical again, visit places in Jerusalem, eat, etc yet changed (?) & seen with Jesus in SKY). 1st the various uses, meanings, colloquialisms, etc of word "dead /death" has to be considered as had/has different forms of use. Were some dead to ppl because the didn't get along yet were living whether moved away or not is one of them or other. Harold Sherman studied phenomena with others & he wrote some of it in his books. (? After reading a bit more is, "Was Jesus actually some where else physically human at the time he entered last place where Apostles were & was able to be seen, talked with, walked with to ascension place, have others that were resurrected appear as meeting him as he was rising (some saw) & (others just saw them appear with him at a level in SKY); only a certain level of understanding followers were believed to have seen these & others that followed hadn't but some believed what ones watching had seen anyway...(? Was Jesus Bi-Locating?)? Prophetic fulfillment Gods way & time. There were (?) yrs in history that ppl had graves miles & countries apart that were marked with wording of "Jesus". Explainations were that some followers took being "one with" to another level of meaning. Other probable reason given by some ppl was that some ppl thought Jesus may have in future or already had another physical death (because of scripture that "flesh & blood cannot enter heaven" & Jesus being son of man...) There were/are 2 likely tomb sites & maybe that is because both were used for him yet no-one was going to tell what was not explainable (?). Being Jesus was able to do things after resurrection humanly physical for 40 days openly & also appear (molecularly changing) passing through parts of buildings, etc ppl them proclaimed him to be an Angel & had to decide about how to explain that. Only part/s understood until Gods right place & time for better understanding.
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I wish they would excavate the tomb in Srinagar. It’s an interesting tomb whether Jesus is in it or not.
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In past, some Researchers planned to take DNA sample after opening the Grave but Grave of Jesus is under strict control of those Fanatics who are badly brainwashed by Mullahs. You have to go on war with them in order to take DNA sample.
There are tons and tons of multiple historical, archeological and genealogical evidence which all leads to one point, which is: that the Person who is sleeping in the Grave of Rozabal is no one but Jesus/Isa
When a well known Indian Saint Sai Baba was asked: do you think, in grave of Rozabal is Jesus? He said: Yes. In that grave is body of Jesus
LoL 😂
mary isn't a name. jesus sucseeded james. james died early, in 62, thats why. he wasn't there.🙂
For whose sake the heaven and earth came into being.
Is james god?
That is a reference to “‘for the sake of 1 righteous man the world won’t be destroyed “,, simply underscoring his goodness.
When the Gospel of Thomas puts words in the mouth of Jesus that say, "... James the Just for whose sake heaven and earth came into being", we can immediately throw it out of the category of scripture. Nothing about that statement is at all consistent with anything Jesus was recorded to have said. We know that such statements are pandering and political because we find such statements in the Roman abortion known as Catholicism about Mary. It's all of this world and is completely out of character for Jesus to have said or believed. It's easy to see how Islam, Catholicism, and other such cults got their start.
Furthermore, to claim that it says one thing but it means another is TYPICAL church of Christ gaslighting. I've been raised on this false theology and I recognize it as soon as I see it. Don't tell me that the words, "for whose sake heaven and earth came into being", means something other than is says is to assume I am a complete idiot. I resent that kind of treatment. I left the church of Christ because of it and I think WAY less of you for trying to foist that junk theology on me. For your own sake and the sake of your hearers, READ WHAT IS WRITTEN AND ASSUME THE AUTHOR MEANT WHAT HE WROTE.
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I understand why you reject reinterpreting words to suit a desired meaning. But given that the texts are in a different language from a different time, textual interpretation is inevitable and needed. Translation alone means that significant interpretation is necessary. Beyond translation of idiom, there is translation of expressions. Like you, I find that Tabor is going too far on the interpretation of this quote: "for whose sake heaven and earth came into being" isn't the same thing as "for whose sake the earth is spared God's wrath".
@@charlesiragui2473 - Take the New Testament as a "context" and then repeat the words, "The universe was created for James the Just", and try not to laugh. Prosecution rests, your honor.
@@GizmoFromPizmo Ha! I agree it does sound jarring, not consonant with the Jesus we know from the NT. Tabor and others would probably retort that the NT is itself a set of texts under the influence of Paul.
@@charlesiragui2473 - Paul wrote the majority of the New Testament so that's an easy conclusion to draw. But was he wrong? I think that when you actually do the math on what Paul wrote - his theology on justification - you instantly drop to your knees. NOBODY ELSE saw this. The theology is a PERFECT filter against pretenders. You can fake piety, devotion, good works - all the earmarks of good religion - but you can't fake belief in the promises of God. That is the perfect filter against forgery.
And I've proven that more times than I care to recall. So many important people in the church have stumbled over this stumbling stone - this rock of offense.
In a bible study one time, I quoted John 15:7 - "If ye abide in me and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will and it shall be done unto you." Or as the NIV put it, "If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish and it shall be given you." I quoted that and the teacher - an elder of the church - replied, "God's not going to give you everything you wish!"
This is the PERFECT filter. An important person like that - religious as you please - and yet will, in front of God and all assembled, CONTRADICT the very words of Jesus. They can't help it.
This was in the church of Christ - the very denomination Tabor grew up in. Is it no doubt that he learned well from them. Belief in God's word is totally optional. Oh, they'll never admit that but functionally... what do you call what that holy elder did?
In another shocking event, another church of Christ small group bible study, I quoted Mark 16:17ff. This is where Jesus says, "In y name they shall cast out devils, etc." He says that they shall drink deadly poison and not be hurt. An elders wife challenged me saying, "Oh yeah? Go out to the kitchen and drink that bottle of bleach under the sink."
I recoiled and looked at her and said, "That's unbelief! Patent unbelief."
After those incidents, I learned to use God's promises to smoke out pretenders. Abraham believed the promise of God and God appreciated that so much that He imputed His own righteousness to him. Paul was the first one to spot that. Obviously, he wasn't smart enough (as smart as he is) to see that himself. He had the Helper to help him. But everybody else missed it. Not Paul.
And we know that this was a doctrine unique to Paul because, aside from James (who was poo-pooing the doctrine of justification by faith) no one else in the first century (that we have any record of) cites that event in Genesis 15. What an AMAZING find. And to this day, most people miss it.
Luke/Acts were written by the same guy - a traveling companion of Paul. Acts is a contemporary history of the first century church. Acts 16 begins the "we" chapters of Acts, where Luke describes first hand events. If Acts were written in 90+ A.D. then why was there no mention of the destruction of Jerusalem - one of the biggest events in the lifetimes of the Judeo-Christians of that day? All of Paul's writings were completed prior to Acts 28 - where we leave Paul imprisoned in Rome, under house arrest. No mention of the events of 70 A.D.
All these know-it-all scholars who teach that the canon of New Testament scripture was written in the very late and early 2nd century didn't bother to read or comprehend the very text they presume to date. JUST READ WHAT'S THERE AND CONNECT THE DOTS. If I'm writing a history of the church and I leave out the destruction of Jerusalem then what kind of historian would I be?
Acts FOLLOWS Luke and so Luke's gospel - you know, the one that predicts the destruction of Jerusalem - records a prophecy of Jesus that had not yet been fulfilled in the life of the author. We know this because Acts (Luke part 2) doesn't even mention it.
You come off as some kind of expert but you haven't even read the text. I've read it and I believe it and this is why I am far more credible than you.
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Ha ha ha ha ha. This guy thinks he's credible because the bible told him so. Ha ha ha ha ha.
Its sobering to hear a beleiver comparing brainpans to a scholar. It reminds me of the movie "Waterboy" "but momma says".
@@toddfordr8218 He's making interesting points beneath the ad hominem. He is using textual analysis just like Tabor. The passages in Acts 16 using the pronoun "we" do seem to imply that Luke the author is reporting those specific events first hand. That alone would seem to date Luke/Acts to around 60AD, not 90AD. If Acts was written in 90AD, why does Acts end before the apparently heroic death of Luke's hero Paul? Why does Acts not include the destruction of Jerusalem and many other events to which the apostles were witness (for instance, the persecution of Christians after the burning of Rome)? These events would certainly be ones that contemporary Christians and potential converts would have wanted to have explained from a Christian perspective. These are serious questions, not infantile complaints of the faithful.
@@toddfordr8218 - Well, trolly, I'm talking about logic and connecting logical dots. I'm not a smart scoffer like you who adds NOTHING to the discussion - only a trivial and meaningless mocking. When you've done the kind of research I have then you will have earned a seat at the table. Until then, Bye, Felicia.
*We read in BOOK of books and TRUTH of all truths "Quran" that Mary (mother of Jesus) had Children.*
*When mother of Mary delivered Mary (mother of Jesus), she prayed to God:*
*Quran 3:36* But when she had given birth to the child, she said: 'O my Sustainer! Behold, I have given birth to a female' - the while God had been fully aware of what she would give birth to, and [fully aware] that no male child [she might have hoped for] could ever have been like this female - *and I have named her Mary. And, verily, I seek Thy protection for her(Mary) and her (Mary's) Children* against Satan, the accursed.'
فَلَمَّا وَضَعَتْهَا قَالَتْ رَبِّ إِنِّى وَضَعْتُهَآ أُنثَىٰ وَٱللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا وَضَعَتْ وَلَيْسَ ٱلذَّكَرُ كَٱلْأُنثَىٰ وَإِنِّى سَمَّيْتُهَا مَرْيَمَ وَإِنِّىٓ أُعِيذُهَا بِكَ وَذُرِّيَّتَهَا مِنَ ٱلشَّيْطَـٰنِ ٱلرَّجِيمِ
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His name was not Jesus! He had a Hebrew name His family nor His disciples called Him Jesus! His name is Yahshua!