Unfortunately mine turns off but not on. The On tab doesn't look damaged. This is a very helpful video and well done. For those who would rather replace the entire thing look in the lower right corner at 6:07 and you will see (upside down) T104. That's the entire unit. Just get that instead of wasting 20-30 for just the motor when the whole shebang is $55.
After 18 years our pool timer gave up. I forwarded your video to my husband, he pulled the original unit apart, ordered a new timer from eBay, and easily installed it thanks to your video. 😉
I watch a lot of instructional videos, and yours ranks right up there at or near the top! Thanks so much for taking the time to share your knowledge in such a patient and clear manner. Giddyup…
305 Miami it turns out whoever installed my original timer had the load wires backwards, installed a new one and had the same problem. Carefully checked the wiring and “wallah”!! Lol
This was very helpful, just seeing how the unit is attached and how easy to detach. Our unit stopped being adjustable, the time disk would not pull out or push in - frozen in some way. After seeing your video, I was able to tip it out and squirt some penetrating oil back onto the shaft (fortunately we have another working unit so I could see what slides and what doesn't), worked it a bit, and it loosened up. I then applied a heavier oil (just some household 3-1 type) to hopefully keep it lubed, although it might actually deserve a grease of some kind.
Thanks man this is real helpful . i have 2 timers one for the primary pump and the other for the secondary skimmer pump that has the little robot connected to it. The primary pump timer is out. I will look for the part number this weekend. I thought at first the numbers were on the little mechanism but its actually the numbers on the corner t104. Thanks again this is very helpful.
I watched the video then went to pool store for the timer. They recommended changing the clock motor which costs less. I could see the gears NOT turning as described. Changing the motor was two screws, two wires, 10 minutes and done ..... costs about half.
Mine was not moving the time dial at all. I checked the motor dials in the back as you suggested and it seemed not all gears were rotating so I just ordered the complete set up on Amazon for $72...Hopefully it will fix the issue....
Yes, great video for replacement. However mine just needed a new ON pin as they wear out and bend after many years usage. Cost a few dollars. So check your pins first if motor is running normally.
Just a couple of comments. The back of the metal plate may or may not have the part number of the complete mechanism. WG1573-5E is for the clock only. Intermatic has a good rundown of the different complete mechanisms-the real key is the voltage. In the video, it's 208/277, and the T104M is the part number (mine didn't have the T104M designation anywhere on the plate). If the part number is appended with a P then it includes a plastic enclosure, and an E indicates an enclosure. There are other part numbers that will fit the same enclosure but would not be the correct voltage, and there is also a mechanism that has pool heater protection. They'll all fit, but only the T104M would be the correct part number.
Thank you for a good video. Also, I could hear you very well, which is problem with half the videos on TH-cam. Good quality and good technical presentation. Dave
Thanks for the video - really appreciate the walk-through. However, my timer IS working - but it won't switch ON. Could it be that something that the ON trigger needs to flip could be broken? Or would buying new triggers potentially help? I'm trying to troubleshoot before I take the only timer out an purchase a replacement. Thanks for your help.
great video, thanks. Question is : when I look through hole in plate at the timer gears, I see one moving The one farthest back from plate. Does this mean the timer motor is bad and just replace it for $18? or replace whole thing for $78 + shipping?
I haven’t had ours for even a year and it’s already not working. I see my farthest gear turning behind that hole but not all of them? Does that mean it’s burnt out?
Great Video! My house was recently hit by Lightning. I had a GFI blow out for my pool light and also my Jandy AuqaPure Salt system (which is on this timer) Keeps blowing the 2.5amp time delay fuses as soon as I flip this timer switch to "on". I see the gears turning but the timer is constantly off. Thinking of just replacing this as its the next logical (cheapest test) Do you think this thing could be shorted out and causing my fuses to blow?
If I need to run my pool timer 24 hours do I just remove my stoppers and turn the manual switch to the “on position” until I turn it off? Can’t find this answer anywhere. Thanks!
You have the most detailed instructions I could find on YT. My dial is not turning and I see that the electrician did not put a ground wire on timer faceplate. I will shut power off and then see what he did inside. I have the power coming from a GFI breaker in my panel, then to a shielded switch on the side of my house near the pool, and then to the timer. And then over to a covered plug on a panel where I plug my pump into. Everything is built to code, but for some reason the timer dial doesn't turn. I have a 24' round above ground pool with 1hp pump. I'll try to get back here to tell you what I find. Thanks for your video!
Is the timer noisy, i mean does the timer make a noise ? if it's still working shld i hear clicking or timing sounds like a clock wen running ? My timer trouble is it turns off pool filter daily at night but doesn't turn on in morning ? Stay safe Thank You
Thank you for the video! I got a new part at Home Depot (mine was WG1573-5 and could only find WG1573-5E). The pool is on so I must have done something right. Now to see if it turns off.
great video. I have a question. My timer works but it makes a very loud thumping/ticking sound all day. It is located in my basement next to the breakers, but I can hear it clearly in the room above it. Any idea what could be causing the sound? Is it best to just replace the full unit? I assume they are normally very quiet. Thanks!
Have the exact timer to run my Polaris. I can feel the plastic gear turning (same as my booster pump timer) but the timer itself isn't moving or advancing in time. What could be wrong?
Great video but unfortunately my pond/waterfall timer does not have a model number. I only have the model number of the motor which is WG1570-4. Will any of the timer model numbers T104M, T103, T101M or T103M work for my purposes?
i can see behind the plate and one of the little gears back there is spinning very slowly but the rest of them arent moving at all, is this still indicating that i would need to replace the timer mechanism?
I can hear my motor working. But for some reason won’t trigger on and off at the setting screw things. And I checked they are on and tight. Any recommendations?
Hey I just found your video because I have the same timer and everything works but it stops at 6 am that's when it should come on but the timer just stops any ideas
I had my Intermatic 104 TM Polaris Timer replaced as the old Timer did not move. The On/Off clips are securely in place. and I have power to both my Pool Pump and the Polaris Pump. The problem is that the Polaris Timer not turning at the same rate (it turns slower) as the Pool Timer which over a 24 hour cycle has the timers hours out of sync. Is the new Polaris Timer defective or is it something else?
Hey quick question--maybe a wiring thing, I hope. The timer runs but when it hits the OFF know the whole thing turns off instead of just the pool pump. It runs fine when you turn it on and keeps time till it hits off....any thoughts? thanks so much
Probably not. If it's keeping the right time the dial must be moving and I think you can assume the gears are not seized. I'm not an expert on these things...just figured it out by poking around and trying to learn without calling a repair person.
Good for direct replacement - But this is 2022 - why not upgrade to a smart pool timer & remote control. I did this DIY using a RIB 30A DPST relay controlled by a Lutron smart switch* - it would easily fit in this box: relay replacing the timer and smart switch replacing the switch Benefits: You can control the switch from anywhere in the house and from your phone ~anywhere in the world. You can set up daily schedules and even different schedules for the weekend and these are very easy to change (store settings) for different seasons. Its easy to override the motor to its on state - or to disable it e.g. for closed pool season. I believe commercial smart versions are available - but installing them yourself is probably just as complex as the DIY for this option and likely will be another brand to integrate into your smart home *Chose your favorite home automation products
Ive had a box for years now without problem until now. Timing clock works fine, the cam does not trip on the lights, so i literally see the green arrow go past the silver clock hand without kicking on any lighting....
My pool pump died. I hoped that it was the timer as it was cheaper than a new motor. I installed the new timer. I was wrong, it was the capacitors in the motor (shorted out by a huge scorpion). The pool guy took off all the wires to the new timer. When he re-installed the motor, he neglected to replace the two wires for the override switch that is used outside of the normal pump operation. My question is what terminals do I connect the override switch?
Very nice video and thanks for taking the time! Quick question, are the same colored wires interchangeable or does order matter? (For example in the three red wires in your timer).
If my timer is working but the on-tripper isn't turning on the pool pump, what is the problem? Is there a problem I can fix without buying a new tripper?
If you pull the disc out you can rotate it to set the time. There should be text on it stating such. Something like, "PULL OUT DIAL TURN TO SET TIME" Least that's what it says on my Intermatic time clock. Then it should snap back down again when you let it go.
My box has to be turned on manually. Then the gears turn and it goes off great, but will not come back on on its own. I replaced it and the new one does the same thing. What could cause this?
my pool filter recently bugged out and stoppled turning off automatically. i noticed the off setting was no longer clamped down and would just slide down. I looked at the off setting piece and noticed it was bent so i couldnt tighten it so i unscrewed it and pinch it a little with plyers. Now it clamps/screws on the timer, but now the filter pump still doesnt turn off automatically. it turns on but just keeps running past the off setting. any idea?
What if the gear in the back is spinning but the ones in front of it are still... are all of them supposed to be moving or just one... what would your diagnosis be?
Turning that main breaker off is not enough to be sure you’re safe. You need to put a voltmeter or voltage detector across the phase and neutral of the timer to be sure it is not sourced elsewhere.
Greg Faris I was scrolling thru these comments hoping to see someone mention this. Not taking anything away from his explanation. However posting a video like this and not strongly suggesting to be 100% certain there’s no power is irresponsible.
Hey there, recently my timer wasn't tripping. I removed my pins and the gears are still turning, but the timer isn't keeping time correctly all the time. Any thoughts on troubleshooting that?
Unfortunately mine turns off but not on. The On tab doesn't look damaged. This is a very helpful video and well done. For those who would rather replace the entire thing look in the lower right corner at 6:07 and you will see (upside down) T104. That's the entire unit. Just get that instead of wasting 20-30 for just the motor when the whole shebang is $55.
I just finished watching a couple of other videos before this. Thank you for including the detail on how to identify which part.
After 18 years our pool timer gave up. I forwarded your video to my husband, he pulled the original unit apart, ordered a new timer from eBay, and easily installed it thanks to your video. 😉
Mark,
I have viewed many videos covering this problem. However, your video is one of the best, and I recommend it to all.
Thank you very much! Thorough, straight to the point and fast and now I dont need to pay someone for basically nothing! Thanks again!!
This was super helpful! I couldn’t figure out why my timer wasn’t running and this fixed my problem in minutes! Thank you!
You're welcome. Glad the video was helpful.
I watch a lot of instructional videos, and yours ranks right up there at or near the top! Thanks so much for taking the time to share your knowledge in such a patient and clear manner. Giddyup…
Watched your video every year for the past 3 years... I think I’m actually going to replace it this year!!
next year keep us posted...lol
305 Miami it turns out whoever installed my original timer had the load wires backwards, installed a new one and had the same problem. Carefully checked the wiring and “wallah”!! Lol
I rarely comment. This was an absolutely perfect instructional video. Thank you!
Thanks!
Thank you. You saved me some cash. And my family are enjoying the pool again.
Thanks! Great video! Easy to understand and follow. My timer has not been turning on at the time as specified.
This was very helpful, just seeing how the unit is attached and how easy to detach. Our unit stopped being adjustable, the time disk would not pull out or push in - frozen in some way. After seeing your video, I was able to tip it out and squirt some penetrating oil back onto the shaft (fortunately we have another working unit so I could see what slides and what doesn't), worked it a bit, and it loosened up. I then applied a heavier oil (just some household 3-1 type) to hopefully keep it lubed, although it might actually deserve a grease of some kind.
Glad it was helpful.
Just replaced timer. Very easy. Your video was very helpful
Thank you
Thanks, for taking the time to teach us!! Great job
thank you for the video! Ended up having to replace my unit so, followed this video step by step and was super easy to change out!
Glad it helped!
Excellent video!! Right to the point - easy to understand & just saved me a lot of money!! Thank you!!
Thanks man this is real helpful . i have 2 timers one for the primary pump and the other for the secondary skimmer pump that has the little robot connected to it. The primary pump timer is out. I will look for the part number this weekend. I thought at first the numbers were on the little mechanism but its actually the numbers on the corner t104. Thanks again this is very helpful.
I replaced the gear motor for under $20 and saved a bunch of money. Got the part a Grainger locally too
This was very helpful and I was able to replace my timer in a number of minutes.
Excellent video. Saved me so much time. Thank you. Straight quick and simple
Well done. Thank you for sharing your knowledge on this.
Thank you FOR SHARING. You made IT SO EASY. I LOVE YOU.
Absolute best “how to” video I’ve ever seen. How do I subscribe to your other clips? Thank you!!!
Very nice video and explanation. Thanks so much for sharing.
Excellent video. Well organized and very clear instructions.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for this great video! you literally saved me over 300 dollars!
Glad it was helpful.
I watched the video then went to pool store for the timer. They recommended changing the clock motor which costs less. I could see the gears NOT turning as described. Changing the motor was two screws, two wires, 10 minutes and done ..... costs about half.
Thanks! That is the info I was really looking for ... how to repair it, mot replace it.
You should do more like this. Very clearly explained. Good job! Thank you!
Super love this video! Thank you, thank you, thank you for posting this! Awesome job explaining this!
Mine was not moving the time dial at all. I checked the motor dials in the back as you suggested and it seemed not all gears were rotating so I just ordered the complete set up on Amazon for $72...Hopefully it will fix the issue....
Yes, great video for replacement. However mine just needed a new ON pin as they wear out and bend after many years usage. Cost a few dollars. So check your pins first if motor is running normally.
My timer seems to be working fine but same thing, it won't turn on but will turn off..Need to find that ON pin..
Just a couple of comments. The back of the metal plate may or may not have the part number of the complete mechanism. WG1573-5E is for the clock only. Intermatic has a good rundown of the different complete mechanisms-the real key is the voltage. In the video, it's 208/277, and the T104M is the part number (mine didn't have the T104M designation anywhere on the plate). If the part number is appended with a P then it includes a plastic enclosure, and an E indicates an enclosure. There are other part numbers that will fit the same enclosure but would not be the correct voltage, and there is also a mechanism that has pool heater protection. They'll all fit, but only the T104M would be the correct part number.
Excellent. This really helps. Thank you!
Thank you for a good video. Also, I could hear you very well, which is problem with half the videos on TH-cam. Good quality and good technical presentation. Dave
Excellent video 👏👏
Best instructions ever!
Very detailed and helpful explanation. Thanks!
Thanks for the video - really appreciate the walk-through. However, my timer IS working - but it won't switch ON. Could it be that something that the ON trigger needs to flip could be broken? Or would buying new triggers potentially help? I'm trying to troubleshoot before I take the only timer out an purchase a replacement. Thanks for your help.
Did you ever find out a solution? I’m having the same issue.
You're a great teacher. Thank you!
That's what you always say
Excellent! Thank you so much!
Awwww, sweet. Thank you for this!!
great video, thanks. Question is : when I look through hole in plate at the timer gears, I see one moving The one farthest back from plate. Does this mean the timer motor is bad and just replace it for $18? or replace whole thing for $78 + shipping?
Ever get an answer to this? I too only have the furthest gear moving only.
is happening to me too! I can hear the motor running but it won't turn the front plate. I replacing the whole thing.
Perfect example for troubleshooting. Thank you
Trouble shooting he told you how to install it
Brilliant presentation, easy to follow...
I haven’t had ours for even a year and it’s already not working. I see my farthest gear turning behind that hole but not all of them? Does that mean it’s burnt out?
Great Video! My house was recently hit by Lightning. I had a GFI blow out for my pool light and also my Jandy AuqaPure Salt system (which is on this timer) Keeps blowing the 2.5amp time delay fuses as soon as I flip this timer switch to "on". I see the gears turning but the timer is constantly off. Thinking of just replacing this as its the next logical (cheapest test) Do you think this thing could be shorted out and causing my fuses to blow?
If I need to run my pool timer 24 hours do I just remove my stoppers and turn the manual switch to the “on position” until I turn it off? Can’t find this answer anywhere. Thanks!
You have the most detailed instructions I could find on YT. My dial is not turning and I see that the electrician did not put a ground wire on timer faceplate. I will shut power off and then see what he did inside. I have the power coming from a GFI breaker in my panel, then to a shielded switch on the side of my house near the pool, and then to the timer. And then over to a covered plug on a panel where I plug my pump into. Everything is built to code, but for some reason the timer dial doesn't turn. I have a 24' round above ground pool with 1hp pump. I'll try to get back here to tell you what I find. Thanks for your video!
very clear explanation, helpful!
Is the timer noisy, i mean does the timer make a noise ? if it's still working shld i hear clicking or timing sounds like a clock wen running ? My timer trouble is it turns off pool filter daily at night but doesn't turn on in morning ? Stay safe
Thank You
Thank you for the video! I got a new part at Home Depot (mine was WG1573-5 and could only find WG1573-5E). The pool is on so I must have done something right. Now to see if it turns off.
Thank you. So tired of trying to remember to turn on & off. Great video.
great video.
I have a question. My timer works but it makes a very loud thumping/ticking sound all day. It is located in my basement next to the breakers, but I can hear it clearly in the room above it.
Any idea what could be causing the sound? Is it best to just replace the full unit? I assume they are normally very quiet.
Thanks!
Well done
Have the exact timer to run my Polaris. I can feel the plastic gear turning (same as my booster pump timer) but the timer itself isn't moving or advancing in time. What could be wrong?
Great video but unfortunately my pond/waterfall timer does not have a model number. I only have the model number of the motor which is WG1570-4. Will any of the timer model numbers T104M, T103, T101M or T103M work for my purposes?
I'm not sure, Jim. Sorry.
i can see behind the plate and one of the little gears back there is spinning very slowly but the rest of them arent moving at all, is this still indicating that i would need to replace the timer mechanism?
I have the same exact as yours. Where could i buy a new one?
Simple explaining, great viewing.
I wish you would of clarified if both plastic gears need to be moving or only one (the back one).
Thanks for the nice video, it will help me a lot when I replace my timer.
I can hear my motor working. But for some reason won’t trigger on and off at the setting screw things. And I checked they are on and tight. Any recommendations?
Thank you.
You are the man!!! Thanks
Glad to help
Hey I just found your video because I have the same timer and everything works but it stops at 6 am that's when it should come on but the timer just stops any ideas
in my unit only one of those gears is moving, the furthest one away. Is that an indication of being burnt out?
I had my Intermatic 104 TM Polaris Timer replaced as the old Timer did not move. The On/Off clips are securely in place. and I have power to both my Pool Pump and the Polaris Pump. The problem is that the Polaris Timer not turning at the same rate (it turns slower) as the Pool Timer which over a 24 hour cycle has the timers hours out of sync. Is the new Polaris Timer defective or is it something else?
Thank you!!
excellent video very informative , thanks for posting.
Can you the link in the description for the product.
Hey quick question--maybe a wiring thing, I hope. The timer runs but when it hits the OFF know the whole thing turns off instead of just the pool pump. It runs fine when you turn it on and keeps time till it hits off....any thoughts? thanks so much
Thank you very much for your excellent presentation. Very good.
If it's keeping the right time of day, is there any need to feel for the gears moving?
Probably not. If it's keeping the right time the dial must be moving and I think you can assume the gears are not seized. I'm not an expert on these things...just figured it out by poking around and trying to learn without calling a repair person.
Thank you so much. You did great job
Thanks!
Good for direct replacement - But this is 2022 - why not upgrade to a smart pool timer & remote control.
I did this DIY using a RIB 30A DPST relay controlled by a Lutron smart switch* - it would easily fit in this box: relay replacing the timer and smart switch replacing the switch
Benefits: You can control the switch from anywhere in the house and from your phone ~anywhere in the world. You can set up daily schedules and even different schedules for the weekend and these are very easy to change (store settings) for different seasons. Its easy to override the motor to its on state - or to disable it e.g. for closed pool season. I believe commercial smart versions are available - but installing them yourself is probably just as complex as the DIY for this option and likely will be another brand to integrate into your smart home
*Chose your favorite home automation products
Nice! Thanks to you, easy as pie. Kudos!
My timer will shut the power off but won’t turn it back on … and yes, I’m using the proper pins.
Any suggestions?
Ive had a box for years now without problem until now. Timing clock works fine, the cam does not trip on the lights, so i literally see the green arrow go past the silver clock hand without kicking on any lighting....
My pool pump died. I hoped that it was the timer as it was cheaper than a new motor. I installed the new timer. I was wrong, it was the capacitors in the motor (shorted out by a huge scorpion). The pool guy took off all the wires to the new timer. When he re-installed the motor, he neglected to replace the two wires for the override switch that is used outside of the normal pump operation. My question is what terminals do I connect the override switch?
Where can I find the kind I have
WG1573-5E
That on the back of the motor
???
This was a great tutorial! Thanks for the help!
Very nice video and thanks for taking the time!
Quick question, are the same colored wires interchangeable or does order matter? (For example in the three red wires in your timer).
If my timer is working but the on-tripper isn't turning on the pool pump, what is the problem? Is there a problem I can fix without buying a new tripper?
Mine is running 2 hours behind what do you recommend on a slow running timer?
If you pull the disc out you can rotate it to set the time. There should be text on it stating such. Something like, "PULL OUT DIAL TURN TO SET TIME" Least that's what it says on my Intermatic time clock. Then it should snap back down again when you let it go.
My box has to be turned on manually. Then the gears turn and it goes off great, but will not come back on on its own. I replaced it and the new one does the same thing. What could cause this?
my pool filter recently bugged out and stoppled turning off automatically. i noticed the off setting was no longer clamped down and would just slide down. I looked at the off setting piece and noticed it was bent so i couldnt tighten it so i unscrewed it and pinch it a little with plyers. Now it clamps/screws on the timer, but now the filter pump still doesnt turn off automatically. it turns on but just keeps running past the off setting. any idea?
Replaced a brand new timer. It’s not spinning in back. Need to replace the timer again?
What if the gear in the back is spinning but the ones in front of it are still... are all of them supposed to be moving or just one... what would your diagnosis be?
There is only one gear turning. Is that normal or are all gears suppose to be turning?
Turning that main breaker off is not enough to be sure you’re safe. You need to put a voltmeter or voltage detector across the phase and neutral of the timer to be sure it is not sourced elsewhere.
Greg Faris I was scrolling thru these comments hoping to see someone mention this. Not taking anything away from his explanation. However posting a video like this and not strongly suggesting to be 100% certain there’s no power is irresponsible.
Well done!
Excellent! Thank you for posting!
Thanks professor
Great video
Thanks!
Hey there, recently my timer wasn't tripping. I removed my pins and the gears are still turning, but the timer isn't keeping time correctly all the time. Any thoughts on troubleshooting that?
Do you have the on and off switches in the correct order?
I wish you explain to fix if the motor is working and the dial moves but gets such when it reaches a tripper
Thank you so much!!!!
wow great video
What if the timer is working but the pump still doesn’t kick on or off?