I Bought Brandon Cole's Black Dish So You Don't Have To

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  • Is it all hype or it's real? I bought Brandon's Cole Black Dish - let's talk about it. Links to all the promotional Black Dish material is below.
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    Brandon Cole released the controversial All-Black Beauty Dish. The Black Dish claims to offer unique lighting effects and features for photographers. YvensB discusses the costs, and packaging of the Black Dish. He then conducts tests comparing it to other beauty dishes, including a Mola Demi Beauty Dish and an Adorama Glow Beauty Dish.
    Does it live up to the hype? Find out in the video.
    Link to Brandon's Cole Black Dish video promo 1:
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ความคิดเห็น • 291

  • @ltshinta
    @ltshinta ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Fun fact, that file you pointed at that is 145MB in size is actually a PSD. The file extension doesn't indicate the type of a file, the file header does. The file header is the first two bytes on the file. For the other files the header is 4949 2a00, typically used by a TIFF. The Balanced Black file is 3842 5053 which is the file header for a PSD.

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Good find!

    • @ltshinta
      @ltshinta ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@robhallphoto I am not sure what the internal PSD metadata tracks but if you rename it as a PSD and open it in PS you can view the metadata of the file as well as some of the adjustments that were made. Whilst minor, exposure was bumped by 0.05. I assume this was a RAW adjustment made by ACR. I am not certain, but if levels or similar (non-ACR adjustments) I highly doubt these would have been recorded in the PSD internetal metadata.
      Regardless, it is clear that there is evidence of fraudulent activity.

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ltshinta Yes the ACR in the file info suggests little adjustment, the question is what type of layer work was done that forced the file to become a PSD rather than an ARW.

    • @bkcampb
      @bkcampb ปีที่แล้ว

      Waaaaaay over my head

    • @ltshinta
      @ltshinta ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@bkcampb the TLDR is that it can be proven with digital forensics that the example files he provided have been tampered with by using adobe photoshop.

  • @andrewh2341
    @andrewh2341 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Shots fired… absolutely hilarious the claims that one guy was making. Good on you for calling out BS

  • @WesPerry
    @WesPerry ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Thanks for taking one for the team!

    • @RyanTroy
      @RyanTroy ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow

    • @YvensBPhoto
      @YvensBPhoto ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Anytime!

    • @livesongs82
      @livesongs82 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@RyanTroysaid what a lot of people have been thinking so let's not kid ourselves

    • @JustinHaugen
      @JustinHaugen ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yeah man, he really ate that shipping fee for you Canadians 🤣

    • @wendystumbaugh695
      @wendystumbaugh695 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Veronica didn’t even buy into THIS scam!!!

  • @JACKnJESUS
    @JACKnJESUS ปีที่แล้ว +38

    The semi fraudulent shipping charges are enough for me. Thanks for the warning.

  • @JustinHaugen
    @JustinHaugen ปีที่แล้ว +31

    2:55 "Light isn't sauce" 🤣🤣🤣

    • @alexiscuarezma
      @alexiscuarezma ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'm going to start selling bottles of light sauce!! "Bring latinx flavor to your photography"

    • @JustinHaugen
      @JustinHaugen ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@alexiscuarezma I'd buy that sauce 🤣

    • @alexiscuarezma
      @alexiscuarezma ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@JustinHaugen I’m taking pre-orders now 🤓

    • @eksmaan
      @eksmaan ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That was my favorite quote 😂

    • @raynaudier8622
      @raynaudier8622 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@alexiscuarezma, 😂😂😂

  • @terryclark8745
    @terryclark8745 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Anyone who has used light for any time at all saw through his claims within moments. Black subtracts, white reflects. It's not magic, it's physics.

  • @LastXwitness
    @LastXwitness ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Glad you guys did this video and I didn’t have to.. I’m already labeled as angry all the time.. anyways if it counts for anything I approve this message lol I don’t want to hate on a creator but this is product is leaning on pushing misinformation and just kind scheming…. Wonder how many people who bought this are going to report overheating lights from having to boost up power so heavy and/or choke up on that modeling light heat … we’ve all made DIY mods some work some don’t but we don’t try to swindle the public by trying to claim it defies physics…anyways nice job gents 👍

    • @rongreit9677
      @rongreit9677 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You slippin man! Could have hijacked this whole concept... bust out some Hefty trash can liners with the black gaff tape, and made you a BROOKLYN Black Dish-box. Im clicking on that tutorial ASAP!

    • @LastXwitness
      @LastXwitness ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rongreit9677 bruh Brooklyn would never put their name on this wack ass shit

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you Seth!

    • @jasonbodden8816
      @jasonbodden8816 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not leaning on, it *IS* pushing misinformation lol.

    • @jasonbodden8816
      @jasonbodden8816 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rongreit9677 LOL.

  • @Photomeike
    @Photomeike ปีที่แล้ว +25

    ….straight to the comments I go 🏃🏾‍♂️💨

  • @AbSesayPhoto
    @AbSesayPhoto ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Bravo. This video was well done. If ya know you know, but I think this is a great example of the power of marketing. This is an example of convincing someone a blue sky isn’t blue.

    • @blackcateyephotophoto
      @blackcateyephotophoto ปีที่แล้ว +2

      SMH SMH SMH I'm an a$$, let's just say I could purchased at least 5 of those 51" Umbrellas you made a video using. BTW, thanks for making that. Hey, you live and you learn - I am going to mess with a couple of those Umbrellas though.

    • @LastXwitness
      @LastXwitness ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When we gonna see that Par-AB-olic? I’ll do a video on that any day if you pull through on it

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@LastXwitness Woah woah woah. Par AB olic? We'd formally like to get on the list for review copies!

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Ab. Yes, it's scary how much marketing can move people, even when it defines logic. Redefining "negative fill" and some people out there are believing it!

  • @ShadyJay77
    @ShadyJay77 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    No disrespect to Brandon Cole but, as beginner photographer watching his black soft box introduction video I was quickly reminded of a wise man’s words. “Stop the CAP!”😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Thank you so much for putting this into perspective. Get a refund 😂😂😂

  • @joliver4083
    @joliver4083 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Brandon just want to have his own beauty dish like Manny Ortiz. I watched his videos but never got interested on buying his product. I would rather use standard reflector than his black beauty dish.

  • @TheSunnySuttons
    @TheSunnySuttons ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Thank you so much for calling this out!!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉
    Brandon Cole is a good photographer but promoting the black dish like it's the most amazing invention ever is just fraudulent.
    4 stops of light loss is insane!!!!! 😮

    • @samarianosans
      @samarianosans ปีที่แล้ว +2

      define good...

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes 4 stops is indeed insane, and highly restrictive - forcing photographers to keep their light extremely close or use much larger flash equipment.

    • @renardmcghee637
      @renardmcghee637 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      No photographer who understands basic light principles would ever buy this. The first time I saw this thing I died laughing. It's like bouncing light off the black side of a V-flat

  • @glintof6434
    @glintof6434 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I'm thinking of taking the concept a step further by replacing the diffuser with a black fabric. Do you think a simple black veil is enough, or do I need something really opaque?
    I know the ideal would be bricks, but it's hard to find black ones.

    • @motherless1000
      @motherless1000 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      :D How about a lead sheet? Better light and also protects Superman.

    • @wendystumbaugh695
      @wendystumbaugh695 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@motherless1000kryptonite!!!

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Depends on how much specularity you want to get rid of. Although, I also heard of this ancient technique where you get softer light when you point your softbox directly AWAY from your subject.

    • @jasonbodden8816
      @jasonbodden8816 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@robhallphoto LOL.

    • @bkcampb
      @bkcampb 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @Zetaphotography
    @Zetaphotography ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Thank you so much. Anyone who over talks specs like a used car salesman is a scammer. Thank you for putting this product in the garbage pile. Can’t believe this scammer claims to be a professional.

  • @davidvirgil5578
    @davidvirgil5578 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I was literally just thinking about trying this product. This review is right on time. Thank you.

    • @Zetaphotography
      @Zetaphotography ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Why would you have spent the money? Just watching his videos and reading the label on the box should have told you.
      Understanding how light works should have been you first clue

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Zetaphotography This is why we made the video though. If you haven't learned the principles of light yet, you accept what you're being told without resistance. It's the same concept that has powered the weight loss industry for decades.

  • @p.burley4533
    @p.burley4533 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    You have given consistently good, highly technical advice throughout the lighting spectrum, Rob, and I almost bought that product. Now I can’t. It’s practically counterintuitive: wouldn’t the photo industry have done this already? It must passed on it. Just seems like a vanity project, in spite of me wanting to see the entrepreneur succeed. Mr. Cole is otherwise my superior in experience. Modifiers have been white, silver, or gold forever (except gels which can be anything).

  • @JustinHaugen
    @JustinHaugen ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I think Brandon could have made a product called the Black Dish in name only and it would have been successful. It would be fantastic branding and the products wouldn't need any superfluous claims about intangible traits such as "best" or "softest" light. Just make a standard softbox and call it the Black Dish. They'd sell. Instead he's sunk what I imagine was a significant amount of savings, a loan, or perhaps investor's money, into R&D/Manufacturing/Shipping/Marketing for a product that's not any better than a $20 shoot through umbrella and is DUPING photographers who support it.

    • @NoahStephens
      @NoahStephens ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Why would it be “Black” then? 🤔

    • @JustinHaugen
      @JustinHaugen ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@NoahStephens in branding only as a marketing vessel, since that was what he was also going for in reaching an intended audience. The literal application is obviously not working.

    • @livesongs82
      @livesongs82 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ​@@NoahStephensyou know why, so don't even

    • @NoahStephens
      @NoahStephens ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@livesongs82 Yes, I do know why and it’s a stupid reason. There’s no such think as African American light modifiers

    • @cinful1
      @cinful1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Never trust a “photographer” that tries to sell you presets

  • @motherless1000
    @motherless1000 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    When I want a pure white backdrop behind my models I use black paper but blast twenty AD1200 strobes (24,000 watts total for a nice even background) each with their own black beauty dish attached. Works perfectly!

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  ปีที่แล้ว

      Of course this gets you a softer background!

  • @photo2000
    @photo2000 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    excellent breakdown and explanation of light theory 👏👏 thanks for spending time to debunk all the claims of the black dish. It is important for photographic beginners to be educated on truth and facts and not marketing BS

  • @timk8258
    @timk8258 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Thanks for actually calling out some of the more egregious snake oil in this industry.

  • @YogueDaddy
    @YogueDaddy ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is the Soulja Boy console of the photography world.

  • @YvensBPhoto
    @YvensBPhoto ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Hopefully, we're done talking about this FOREVER 🤣 10:34

  • @nicklebagkilla
    @nicklebagkilla ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Sometimes the emperor has no clothes...

  • @LMActionsports
    @LMActionsports ปีที่แล้ว +20

    When Brandon first came out with this product and tried to sell it to all of us I made the comment of why don’t I just turn my strobe light down a couple stops and just get the same effects. But I got told that I am trying to keep a black man from making money and I don’t know what I was talking about. I used to follow his channel and after those comments popped up that I was against him trying to make some money I just stop following him because the black dish was truly a flop in my eyes.
    Then to see this video you guys come out with takes a lot because obviously you’re gonna get backlash because I got it just for making a comment against it. I see a lot of products that have photographers names attached to it. And then I might not have the name brand Profoto, Wescott, or Broncolor soft boxes that are all over $250. I’ve been truly happy with my Glow softboxes. And the first softbox I spent over $150 for was the Glow Parasnap 36inch softbox which is on my light stand 95% of the time. Do you wanna game changing quick opening softbox try one of them. Now me, I want every small business to do great. But you got a put the work in and sell quality products. this is not one of them.

    • @cinful1
      @cinful1 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I’ve called him out a few times and he always backpedals, gets offended, or flat out lies

    • @LMActionsports
      @LMActionsports ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@cinful1 yeah I'm not saying he's a bad photographer anything. I just think the black dish is a waste of money and all you have to do is turn the power down on your strobe light to get the same results. It is not game-changer it is a waste of money. But they act like I have no clue what I'm doing and I own my own photography business. I think I do know what I'm talking about and I use nothing but strobe light for all my photography work

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LMActionsports The glow softboxes are fantastic for the money! And yes, you can achieve the same thing by simply turning your light power down (and using a similar-sized modifier). There's so many benefits of that too, longer battery life, shorter flash durations, faster recycle time, and less wear on your strobe / flash tube.

    • @evocati6523
      @evocati6523 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      what they meant was you should let a black guy scam people, same people who say blacks should get 2 votes or get let off for crimes, or they can't be racist. they know he's wrong but they want him to get away with it. they don't actually care that his product is trash, they know it is

  • @tonyaleman6938
    @tonyaleman6938 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When I first heard of this dish. I immediately thought "what an idiotic idea". But, with a photographer willing to prostitute his reputation; and a lot of b.s. verbiage touting it's 'benefits'. I'm sure they will make a reasonable return on a useless, resource wasting gimmick.
    Thanks for taking the time to let others know about this. Hopefully preventing people from wasting their time and money.

  • @NoahStephens
    @NoahStephens ปีที่แล้ว +14

    It’s just a less efficient softbox. Brandon Cole, is a classic case of Dumb or Liar? Maybe a bit of both.

    • @robcompton6099
      @robcompton6099 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If he was paid to promote it, he's not dumb! 🙂

    • @julianshootz
      @julianshootz 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@robcompton6099 what is he? smart? honest? credible? NOT!

    • @bkcampb
      @bkcampb 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ouch

  • @karlweb1
    @karlweb1 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Awesome thank you
    Brandon is a TH-camrs not an educator or a photographer just a TH-camrs. Over the years he would say stuff and j would make comments his fan club would flame me so I stopped
    I use a profoto D2 with a mola I could not see his dish matching that set up so I opted out wasting my money.
    I am a local PPA member and a national PPA member better education there.
    I am happy that he is getting better over the years as a working photographer with a studio I just could not justify it.
    Thank you for testing this.
    Again just a TH-camrs promoting his product

    • @cinful1
      @cinful1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’ve called him out a few times and he always backpedals, gets offended, or flat out lies

  • @SkyToddler
    @SkyToddler ปีที่แล้ว +4

    such a great breakdown, thank you.

  • @niiokaidja8701
    @niiokaidja8701 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Fun fact, Brandon is still trying to justify the legitimacy of his product by arguing in the comment section on TH-cam. I have lost respect for dude.

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Turns out we aren't even photographers🤣🤣🤣

    • @niiokaidja8701
      @niiokaidja8701 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@robhallphoto yup. I quit 😝

    • @ThePhenomenalLife
      @ThePhenomenalLife 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Very sad😢

  • @MarcoCastro
    @MarcoCastro ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Oftentimes these products are not even the "invention" of the photographer. Like many other products, some brands will target individuals for plastering their face on a box in hopes to sell products because said person has a global reach. This is happening too often on TH-cam and it may just be what happened here. That said, Brandon should have known better and not been motivated by the potential dollars from sales. I do not follow Brandon, but if I did, I would be upset that someone I "looked up to" is out promoting to make a buck on something we know is not a real product. We all know that this product is a joke, it is no different than a shake weight, a scheme. My hope is that Brandon learned his lesson but most importantly, is legally protected because this has grounds for a false advertising lawsuit or worse, a class action. Best of luck.

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yes our industry loves the licensing of our rock stars on products. I believe in this instance BC is the creator of the product and owner of the business that sells it.

    • @jasonbodden8816
      @jasonbodden8816 ปีที่แล้ว

      Learned his lesson? He keeps making videos doubling and tripling down on his claims, and giving attitude, too LOL.

  • @redsredz6679
    @redsredz6679 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I always have the impression Brandon being a tool.. Then I saw him reading the script…

  • @DIGITALMIND63
    @DIGITALMIND63 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I think most of us saw right through this modifier from day one! It's unfortunate because I think Brandon is a good photographer. He has tainted his reputation with this product.

    • @jasonbodden8816
      @jasonbodden8816 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think he is, too. Hate his retouching but he lights well and he knows a good bit about posing. But he's relying on the hope that most people don't know the fundamentals of light and the fact that this is the only Black-owned business to come out with these black modifiers. He plays the race card HARD as part of his marketing, continually citing that the "haters" are trying to keep Black people down and all that nonsense. Of course, many people buy into it because idiocy.

  • @NeilSnapePhotography
    @NeilSnapePhotography ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Specularity is not contrast but how highlights are reflected. Contrast is a ration of highlight to shodow, I am surprised by someone trying to sell this concept. That said the Profoto hardbox is really cool>

  • @rebirthtreatmentcenter
    @rebirthtreatmentcenter ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great Video. I like Brandon’s videos. But this black dish is a bit comedy. Fav line. The laws of physics don’t apply. 😂

  • @beautycatcher7615
    @beautycatcher7615 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you so much for making an honest video and all the warning. Very Grateful.

  • @GlassAve
    @GlassAve ปีที่แล้ว +7

    $500!!! Nothing like almost premium prices for subpar products.

    • @Chris-ey7zy
      @Chris-ey7zy ปีที่แล้ว

      Anyone who bought this deserves to be scammed

    • @GlassAve
      @GlassAve ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Chris-ey7zy you aren’t wrong

    • @jasonbodden8816
      @jasonbodden8816 ปีที่แล้ว

      He didn't pay that much for the product itself, though.

  • @DavidAnderson-vt8iq
    @DavidAnderson-vt8iq ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the test. IMHO the Elinchrom Octalight is the last word in soft portrait light. . Spend the money and enjoy the benefits.. The black light is obviously just hype.

  • @Damfotografia
    @Damfotografia ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This product is literally a waste of energy... just power down the output of the flash and adjust the distance, if needed. Your flash, battery and wallet will thank you forever. (commented bf watching the video, let's see if i got it right xD)

  • @dunnymonster
    @dunnymonster ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wait till they release a black diffuser to put in front of it....to be fair you get zero over exposed highlights using it but your images are completely black too ☺️😁

    • @pennyfan13
      @pennyfan13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      lol this is funny.
      I would suggest him to use the Vantablack paint on that diffuser and name it "Dark Matter".

  • @GarethDix
    @GarethDix ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When I saw the title “black dish” I was sure this was click bait… my head is still baffled by the claims given… you know… physics

  • @photo2000
    @photo2000 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    OMG... he didnt spell check the marketing spiel on the box... what a muppet 🤦‍♂️😂😂

  • @WatchThatFirstStep
    @WatchThatFirstStep ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "This allows photographers to really capture distint features of their models."
    Me, screaming into the void: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?!!

  • @jasonbodden8816
    @jasonbodden8816 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I could see this working for studio work in small spaces as you won't have to worry about your light not having the capability to be turned down enough LOL.

  • @4toconvert389
    @4toconvert389 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That guy does not like to be challenged on the basics of photography guidelines. I did one time on his channel and he got very aggressive and defensive. Stopped following him because I could see through his antics. He is a decent photographer. But can’t be better because he thinks that only he knows everything photography related. Sad to see him shoot himself in the foot with this charade of a product exposing that being a good photographer does not mean you have a monopoly on photographic knowledge.

  • @spstudio10
    @spstudio10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Who ever thought black would be smart should get they hand smacked but side note DO YALL REALIZE this the same packaging and design layout for Manny Ortiz beauty dish. they just swapped the photos and words... i think its a CREATOR OUTREACH program like call of duty doing with streamers... #hmmmm

  • @waynosfotos
    @waynosfotos ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for this, i suspected as much. When I raised my conerns with Brandon, he became very defensive. I like his work and the strong colours he edits too. But this black dish. Hmmmmm.....

  • @mikebartow9415
    @mikebartow9415 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for an honest fact filled no hype review.

  • @camphoto
    @camphoto ปีที่แล้ว +5

    😁😁😁😆😆😆😅😅🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂 All black. Might as well just turn off the light source and hold a candle.

  • @night3416
    @night3416 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When I first saw this product I thought to myself, "....yeah, that doesn't make sense...." It's all just marketing, and as others have said, snake oil sales.

  • @camphoto
    @camphoto ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm glad this video was posted. People have to call out scammers, so others don't fall for it and waste their money on stupid products. Brandon is scamming people, with his false advertisements. 😁

    • @jasonbodden8816
      @jasonbodden8816 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brandon says stuff in some of his videos that if you don't know better you would regard as gospel. He once used a large shoot through umbrella in one of his studio lighting videos. The man says - and I shit you not - that the umbrella is not a light modifier as it doesn't modify the light, it simply changes the path of the light *CRINGE*. I couldn't let that one go as a lot of newbies eat his shit up like it's Chic-fil-A or something. He tried to school me when I brought it up in the comments and made himself look even more foolish. I told him that the umbrella is very much a light modifier because when the light passes through it, the light quality changes, which means it's *MODIFIED* and to modify something is to *CHANGE* that thing from its current state. Nobody in the comments section challenged what I said because either (a) they researched it and realized it was true, or (b) it just sounded like common sense really. Either way, it was very telling because his fans typically don't hesitate to come to his defense for most things.

  • @tomirwinphoto
    @tomirwinphoto ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for your informative review of the Scammer Dish!

  • @mchenfoto
    @mchenfoto ปีที่แล้ว +4

    From day one I knew this was more snake oil .I once challenge the photographer and he did not step up to the plate.

    • @cinful1
      @cinful1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Because he isn’t as good as he pretends to be. His lighting is always wrong. I told him he did the opposite of what he said he tells his models and he got super offended and wanted lie and argue

  • @arminbaldon5347
    @arminbaldon5347 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for the excellently explained video! I'm considering getting Manny Ortiz's Beauty Dish since EZ Glow isn't available here in Europe, and the shipping costs are too high. However, I'm unsure whether to get the one with a silver or white interior... Is there a significant difference between them, and what would you recommend?

    • @jasonbodden8816
      @jasonbodden8816 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The white will give you less contrast, with less specularity, and generally softer light, while the silver will still give soft light but with a bit more "punch" and specularity, being a little bit of a harder light. Just depends on the look you like.

  • @dallaslogan1582
    @dallaslogan1582 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for this review. When the product first came out and people started ragging on it, I defended him, but I did try to speak with him regarding the claims he made about the product and he pretty much gave me his aaa to kiss, so I stepped back.

    • @LMoProVisualComm
      @LMoProVisualComm ปีที่แล้ว

      "and he pretty much gave me his aaa to kiss" I'll be damn!!!... I bet you weren't that surprised though..

    • @rongreit9677
      @rongreit9677 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@LMoProVisualComm SMH, well guess that man dont want to be told that wrong is wrong and "Light is Light". 😉

    • @bkcampb
      @bkcampb 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      why did you defend him

  • @greysuit17
    @greysuit17 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    This is a bad product

    • @iransirijillo
      @iransirijillo 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      More of a scam

  • @photo2000
    @photo2000 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He was claiming that somehow the black material of his special modifier, diffused and spread light differently to white alternatives.... WRONG!! Spreads it exactly the same way... just at a much lower intensity... reducing the effective power of your flash in the process.
    Should stick to shooting eye candy, rather than trying to redefine laws of physics

    • @danhowell7349
      @danhowell7349 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would go further and say that because the inefficiency of the black walls the spill around the resistor plate will create an uneven light beam/pattern hitting the diffusion surface ie. a hotspot. Other lighting modifier designers/manufacturers spend time and money and go to great lengths actually defeating that hot spot. BC is in sever denial of both the physics and results. Furthermore he is committing the cardinal sin of photographers -- falling in love with his own work.

    • @jasonbodden8816
      @jasonbodden8816 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And he keeps equating intensity to softness, which is always hilarious to me. Then again, he's the same guy who told me in the comments of one of his videos that the shoot through umbrella umbrella he was using in studio in the video doesn't modify the light, it just changes the path of the light. I had to actually tell him what light *modifiers* do lol.

  • @SanGioSports
    @SanGioSports ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Best Review ever.

  • @chrispeden979
    @chrispeden979 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for calling out this BS product and bringing receipts.

  • @bkcampb
    @bkcampb 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    After a year has passed Im wondering how sales are now. The idea that light is bounced off of a black surface vs being mostly absorbed was a little hard to swallow. But most telling to me is that I cant think of one top photographer in the world that is using this.

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The most mindblowing thing in all of this was when Phottix announced Raja softboxes with Black interiors. I was worried that such a large modifier brand would further legitimize this terrible idea, thankfully they disappeared shortly after being announced.

  • @cinful1
    @cinful1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I hate to speak on another photographer but I turned away from Brandon years ago. He regurgitates techniques but always does the opposite of what he’s teaching. Proof is in his photos but he will argue and defend himself anyways. His saving graces are decent editing and TnA

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  ปีที่แล้ว

      What's an example of him doing the opposite of what he teaches?

  • @mikezupancic2182
    @mikezupancic2182 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When asked about light falloff, i was told 1/2 to 1 stop. Clearly that was not accurate.

    • @JustinHaugen
      @JustinHaugen ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You lose one stop of light with standard diffusion fabric alone

    • @jasonbodden8816
      @jasonbodden8816 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JustinHaugen And some diffusion panels closer to 11/2, even almost 2 depending on thickness.

  • @MrMarco7ify
    @MrMarco7ify ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I bought some of his presets/luts once and they were soooooooooo BAD 😅

  • @Onyxphotos
    @Onyxphotos ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm green to studio lights and alway want to support my folks. So happy I saw this cause I immediately hated it without diffusion.

  • @Snooze-vy1yo
    @Snooze-vy1yo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The manufacture had produced a defective product by forgetting to add the reflector into the softbox. They didn't want to take the lost so they needed to makeup a gimmick product marketing ploy. They then needed a TH-camr to peddle their product that would stealth under the radar of educated pro photographers. Most of us didn't take the bait. Also most of us didn't have a platform or skill set to make a thorough video to help our community. TY

  • @Davion474
    @Davion474 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I like Brandon and I think he is a great photographer, but he needs to cut the CAP.

    • @Zetaphotography
      @Zetaphotography ปีที่แล้ว

      What CAP? Aid this spelling error like what’s written on his boxes

    • @raynaudier8622
      @raynaudier8622 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@Zetaphotography, "CAP" means lies.

  • @jasonbodden8816
    @jasonbodden8816 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I bought it a while back and haven't used it yet. I didn't buy it for his hype of it, I wanted to see if the highlights are actually tamer OR if the black surface would produce more contrast (which we now know concretely that it's the latter lol). But when I looked at that same comparison video with the mannequin head I noticed that it increased contrast therefore the highlights were more pronounced than with the other modifier. When I brought this up to him in the comments he oddly replied "I'm glad you caught that!" LOL. Anyone who knows lighting fundamentals knows that a black interior doesn't make softer light. That's the main line of bullshit he peddles for this modifier (that the black interior makes for softer light). I'm still going to use it for a bit and see if I like the increase in contrast.
    Photographers lie all the time about their product collabs. When Manny Ortiz brought out his softboxes with Westcott he claimed it was something the photography world never saw before. Westcott and probably at least 10 other companies produce softboxes EXACTLY like his. His does absolutely nothing different than any other of the same design. You're just paying a stupid amount of money to have his name on it. But coming back to the BlackDish, I love contrast but it doesn't necessarily mean I'll like it here. We'll see. Everything you said was spot on. Cheers!

  • @iroldanse8104
    @iroldanse8104 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Glad to have stumbled on this video because the black dish threw me off bad and I wondered what other thought. I have watched BC for years and enjoyed his style for what it is. With this, I felt like he thought he found a clever marketing edge that was really just a terrible gimmick. It made me question his understanding of what he is doing in the world of photography.

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      We’re still not sure whether he doesn’t understand what he’s doing or is willingly making stuff up just to make sales. There’s since been some questionable takes from him, like when he said his softbox was blocking his subject’s face from the sun even though the cast shadow of the softbox was way below the talent’s face 🫣

  • @RM.TokyoPhotographer
    @RM.TokyoPhotographer ปีที่แล้ว

    in product photography ppl use grey diffusion cloths same principle...you can control grey/black diffusion cloth rather than using a white diffusion cloth

    • @JEDINITE30
      @JEDINITE30 ปีที่แล้ว

      And constant light sources with no control over the light output/intensity are used in those instances. Therefore, different fabrics are used to control it and make up for the lack of settings on the light source. In, this case when using a strobe on people, the settings can be controlled, therefore you don't need a grey/black fabric/surface to control the intensity because it can be done directly with the settings on the strobe.

  • @digital_harry
    @digital_harry ปีที่แล้ว

    To all detrimental comments, remember that black bounced light matters, it is as important as bounced white light. Also I would like to introduce our breakthrough product: black mamba oil, it is used in conjunction the black bouncer to further soften the results

  • @raalaa121
    @raalaa121 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was about to bite as his youtube videos showing what you can achieve with the products are stunning. I might just test out a cheap set up first to see what I can achieve. I already have the premium camera body / lenses.

  • @mlulekidlamini9142
    @mlulekidlamini9142 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    😂😂😂but why would anyone buy into the idea of light "mixing and rolling " black dish.

  • @MrFilipcee
    @MrFilipcee 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Dude went full Terence Howard. Tried to debunk everything physicists know about light with a black softbox.

  • @Cotictimmy
    @Cotictimmy 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The BBC should use this product to light all future episodes of ‘Doctor Who’. 🤣

  • @patcrutchfield1851
    @patcrutchfield1851 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think one thing you all are not getting is that Brandons pictures are amazing to me he made it work for him. One thing I haven't seen or heard you say is how did your photo's turn out

    • @JEDINITE30
      @JEDINITE30 ปีที่แล้ว

      No one is debating the quality of his photos. The thing is, the blackdish isn't the reason why they're nice. He'll still produces the same imagery, regardless of the modifier, just as he always has, and still does, with other softboxes. It doesn't solve a problem. It works just like any other softbox, except a loss in strength, and still produces a nice image. All his claims about what it does different are false and that is what is being debated. If a photog is new to the game and doesn't quite understand the science of it all, then they see a great image and are easily convinced. "That looks great! It works!" is their mindset. Experienced photogs look at it and say "it looks like you just used another softbox, it looks like all your other images, black cuts the strength of the light, that will increase my recycle times, I'll be buying a new bulb soon, just change your light settings, let's compare, see they look the same."

  • @wintershi7585
    @wintershi7585 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Haha, it's hilarious, this junk product only $50-70 in China. It has become an industry joke, such as if you want to laugh at a photographer just ask him: Did you buy a black dish?

  • @Justas49
    @Justas49 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think it would produce different results when using only outer diffusion and without plate. It would act like a scrim with bare bulb with flagged sides. And it should have more contrast because of single point of light source instead of bounced reflected light from all over inside of softbox. But this BD will work only without plate and with only outer diffusion. Adding plate is ridiculous. It's like covering with hand. It could only work if plate were white and inners of sofbox is glossy, because glossy surfaces reflects. Like transparent glass would reflect light. And I doubt it would be something beautyful.

  • @jaimeduncan6167
    @jaimeduncan6167 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks. I will never buy it because I am a technical guy and I can see it makes no sense., but it's important to share the info.

  • @CharlieDuranPhotographyUK
    @CharlieDuranPhotographyUK ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Very informative video. BTW, the box has a spelling error! It should read 'distinct' and not 'distint' 🤔🤦😁

    • @BrianHalePhoto
      @BrianHalePhoto ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I like they part where they point that out in the video.

  • @SkyToddler
    @SkyToddler ปีที่แล้ว

    what strobe were you using in studio?

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      (Rob here) - my tests were done using a Godox AD400 Pro.

  • @ducknest
    @ducknest 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for this videos, in order to save my money on this.

  • @Chris-ey7zy
    @Chris-ey7zy ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Come on people. Why would you think black would some how enhance light. You are better be off using cardboard and thin foil. This product is ridiculous.

  • @StephenBrancati
    @StephenBrancati ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Brandon Cole got this idea one night while drinking with his friends at a Flat Earth convention, right?

  • @louiswhite4909
    @louiswhite4909 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh physics!

  • @rumporridge1
    @rumporridge1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I support Brandon and alot of other photographers on YT. But this product didn’t click to me. So it was a pass.

  • @eavesphoto
    @eavesphoto ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Send it back for a full refund.

  • @BecomingProductions
    @BecomingProductions ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Hilariously over hyped product. Brandon Cole is an Ok photographer but he probably needs to double check his physics books on how light behaves before making any more ridiculous claims.

    • @cinful1
      @cinful1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He really is ok at best. He really can’t light. Highlights are always on neck and chest. He gets away with post processing and TnA

    • @davidecapri
      @davidecapri ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cinful1 he can't shoot on the go -based on his "portfolio"- those shots are abhorrent, especially the wedding ones, who would ever want those things delivered as a result of a paid photo service?

    • @themondoshow
      @themondoshow หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@cinful1 nah he is great

  • @kh1188ish
    @kh1188ish ปีที่แล้ว +2

    thank you for calling BS on this one

  • @steveragland942
    @steveragland942 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great finding on this marketing BS. Thanks

  • @Lucy-dk5cz
    @Lucy-dk5cz ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks for this lol

  • @rongreit9677
    @rongreit9677 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cant knock a good grift. This product is not a scam as suggested by comments. The buyers pay for a black beauty softbox thing and in return receive a black beauty softbox thing. That's no scam. It is a grift though! If someone can be ill-advised into buying such a product based on marketing (hype), then that is on them and speaks to a lack of critical thinking. I dont know who this guy is, but more power to him. Hope he comes out with a whole line of black-is-the-new-lighting products and rides his wave and feeds his family for as long as he can. I for one will be judging this brand NOT by the color of it's softbox, but by the content of its grift.

    • @JEDINITE30
      @JEDINITE30 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hmmmmm!!! Very well said!!!!!!!!

  • @JohnMacLeanPhotography
    @JohnMacLeanPhotography 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There's a sucker born every minute

  • @loudandclearmedia
    @loudandclearmedia ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That's just stupid...lol

  • @bahamasracing233
    @bahamasracing233 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video

  • @errole
    @errole ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He doesn't honor hos return policy at all. Stay away

    • @robhallphoto
      @robhallphoto  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Did you have a bad experience? If so, I'd be curious to learn more - DM me on IG @YvensB -YB

  • @evocati6523
    @evocati6523 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    for his next trick he's going to create a white negative fill card

  • @DPhotos
    @DPhotos ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Why they have a black dude review it?😂👀 I really love this review. I am glad someone actually reviewed it!

    • @Zetaphotography
      @Zetaphotography ปีที่แล้ว

      Explain

    • @DPhotos
      @DPhotos ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Zetaphotography I am just making joke’s ignore me😂

    • @shotbyshan77
      @shotbyshan77 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You mean, why did he have a white dude come to give him credibility on his own video is the real question.

  • @naderabushhab6450
    @naderabushhab6450 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh my... 🌚

  • @raynaudier8622
    @raynaudier8622 ปีที่แล้ว

    In all fairness, looking at the way the black dish lights, at 6:32, it looks like they tried to create a reflector that's "self-flagging"? I noticed the shadows along the model's arms; that may be what appeals to Brandon & the people that like this modifier (although 4 stops light loss is.. 😬🤐).

  • @dinein1970
    @dinein1970 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Once the light passes through two layers of diffusers, the material used there will have more influence on the quality of the output than the interior.
    And to have such a crappy output without diffusers in place is a terrible design.

  • @Lucy-dk5cz
    @Lucy-dk5cz ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I can tell you how it does all it claims........black magic

    • @Zetaphotography
      @Zetaphotography ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Makes your money disappear. Scam