Matt, it's not the Urus V8 🙂 "The car uses a quite widely updated version of the ‘EA825’" - "it’s the first car in the group to benefit from the new crankshaft, pistons, conrods, turbos and fuel injection system that Porsche has just fitted to that engine. Why not just shoehorn a more powerful version of the existing V8, such as the one from the Lamborghini Urus or Audi RS6 Avant, into the Turbo S instead? Well, you couldn’t, apparently. The ‘MSB’ platform the Panamera uses has a tighter engine bay than the ‘MLB-Evo’ layout used by the likes of the Urus, Bentayga, Cayenne and RS6, and it also obliges a twin-clutch rather than torque converter automatic transmission."
@@jareknowak8712 I agree, it would be stupid not to recycle a perfectly good bottom end from the other platform seeing how all the dimensions inside the engine are identical.
That's interesting cause I've already heard quite a few people saying that wagon looks sexier and I personally believe that hatchback looks a little bit better. It's probably the retractable rear spoiler that does it for me, plus the overall shape, sort of like an enlarged 911.
And the chains are there to drag on the ground and electrically ground the car so there's no risk of static buildup on the car resulting in a spark when you get out and touch something.
I definitely prefer the Sport Turismo to the first generation hatchback, but boy they really nailed the proportions of the hatchback with the second generation. I hope to pick up one used in the next couple of years, and I am genuinely torn between the wagon and the second generation hatchback. I will probably end up with the latter just because of the limited availability of the former.
@@watwillwedonext Much smaller market for wagons, at least here in North America. The target market for wagons here shifted to minivans in the '80s and '90s, and then eventually to S/CUVs.
@@sportturismo_4s ultimately I decided to get a weekend / vacation property instead. So I got a late-model Volkswagen Arteon (with the updated engine/transmission combo) as a consolation prize.
Matt, I think the nurburgring time of the 991.1 gt3rs isn't set by Porsche, it's set by a journalist. If you look at .2 gt3rs (yes .2 is better but it's slight improvement) 991.2 gt3rs is a sub 7 min car. But great video thou. If we look at 991.1 3RS on Laguna Seca, it did 1:33 there ( 1 s faster than a 570s ).
Now that the GTS has effectively the same engine you could probably save a bunch of money buying one of those and remapping it. I wonder how much of the internals and things are different.
The ultimate grocery getter! I can only imagine how much ground this car can cover out on the open road; effortlessly gobbling up miles at warp speed with so much in reserve for overtaking...ahhhh, if only I had the money! 🤑🏎🚀
Thankfully we don’t have VAT and the same level of duties here in the US. Between that and the pretty cheap fuel prices it’s a lot easier for us to drive high end and high powered cars.
I think you got something wrong there. What you are talking about, is the '997' GT3 RS, not the last Gen. vehicle. Because the '991' GT3 RS version does it in ~7.10 min. Also the current Gen. '992' Carrera S does it in 7.25 min. not 7.30 min.. I think you mixed up the Genreations there big time...
@@HoratioHoodoo I direct you to this site sir www.automativ.de/rekorde-nordschleife-nuerburgring-rekordtabelle. It was the '997' which did it in 7:27 in 2011, half a year before the '991.1' basemodel came out... The GT3 RS 991.1 version (in the list wrongly labeled 991.2) set a laptime of 7:12 and the actual 991.2 set 2018 a laptime of 6:54...
@@HoratioHoodoo sport auto? whatever this is, its not porsches official drivers, plus they have no officials timing the whole thing, so your answer is pointless. I´m talking about official numbers not some magazine testing cars...
I've had a Panamera S e Hybrid for more than 2 years, and I'm terribly jealous of the owners of the new Turbo S! The Pano is an epic road car in an age when most plebes buy SUV's because they think they 'need' the extra height, etc... truth is, for an enthusiast who wants a comfortable, luggage-hauling, great handling CAR, Porsche has just the ticket. The 2 door GTC4Lusso T costs almost $100K more, and I guess you could look at a BMW M8 but again you can't get the practicality of 4 doors either way.
I am driving around in the last 991.2 911 4S. Reminds me of that. Way more power than you can use. Just goes flat and fast wherever you point it. How does Porsche improve performance every new model better than the car it replaces?
I often wish they would make a compact sedan.. I drive a M235i and love the size, especially in a city. I’d love a 911, but not practical for me with a dog 🐶
Do you have the Track Edition with an LSD? If not look at an M2, that LSD makes a huge difference to the car (I went from 2014 M235i to 2016 M2 and it sounds like a similar car but no it's a completely different beast)
Yes please...I'm also in the camp that if Porsche made a compact sedan (or even a useful 4 seat coupe) on roughly the same price scale as the Macan, I'd be all over it.
Right on@@dill6078 Yeah man, I’ve been eyeing them M2s.. Congrats on pulling the trigger! Don’t have the LSD, and just Monday, a guy at the dealership said the M2s were going for in the $30k range.. 😀 I guess if i love the style, don’t fix it. Would just love a Porsche one day 😎
@@djsomeguy Yeah, it could happen. They made a boatload of money on the Cayenne and Macan.. I don’t see the Panamera being a cash cow for them but maybe I’m wrong. If they can make money off it.. I bet they’ll make a smaller electric next.. Hmm... or bigger?
What has the world come to? The juxtaposition of this proposal is so ludicrous, 7m29s around the ring - but this car will spend 99.9% of its time carrying groceries, luggage, or kids around. Perhaps the odd traffic light drag race (likely lost to a Tesla), or some 15% over average, on a family trip where the driver is feeling a little adventurous. Mostly, will satiate egos and be the subject of arguments about how fast it is and how well it handles (although likely few arguments about how unappealing it it is to look at). Consumerism at its very very best, selling us shit for money we don’t have to solve problems we don’t encounter - long love capitalism.
Dear Matt, I'm pretty sure the GT3RS does it a lot faster than what you quoted. Check out this official video from Porsche th-cam.com/video/b0yxhzMGviA/w-d-xo.html
I saw one of these the other day while driving up to the mountain. This asian grandpa was doing 10 under in it...smh moment for me, but whatever I'm just jealous
I thought Americans would have stopped talking like Brits in their car reviews back when the boys left Top Gear and or grew out of enjoying that style of entertainment. The issue keeps growing, everything has recently switched to "Zed, coupe', petrol, bonnet, etc." on these traditional American car review YT channels.
The Camaros zl1 proved this point awhile ago. Big power numbers and really wide tires matter more than weight saving, fancy suspension, fancy traction control etc. there’s a reason an 80k Camaros is faster than a Ferrari 488 on a racetrack: wider tires and more power. Midengine, front engine, everything else changes how a car feels but doesn’t necessarily improve its performance ceiling as far as lap times go
Those shades of your Matt are awesome 😎 There better than this great Porsche.. I’ve tried to pause the video a dozen times on my oled Panasonic and just can’t get the brand.. Please help Matt to a great fan of yours from over the pond in very wet Blighty 🇬🇧
Porsche launch control definitely works better than almost any other, but it also sounds proper too. Launch control for the Ford GT and the new Ferrari SF90 sound awful in my opinion!
Don’t love the Panamera but this would be the ultimate do almost do everything car. I can imagine the instance here in Houston would be astonishingly expensive.
When a car settles on both axles under braking it pitches (not squat.) Squatting is settling on the rear axle under acceleration. Thanks for a great test of a great car. Have not tried the S, must be awesome :)
I just watched the podcast with Betim. I learned so much about suspension turning from that pikes peak conversation. So, this being a German spec car wondering if the suspension is not set up for US roads. You seemed to prefer this car in comfort mode or sport 1. The almost 5,000 lbs is very obvious in the drive by shots like a linebacker on steroids. Amazing Nordschleife numbers .
Wagons are better than SUVs.
Change my mind.
rmp5s this is an enthusiast channel ofc noone it's gonna disagree
@@the-boring-car-guy The excuses people that want SUVs tell themselves are ridiculous. Wagons4life
i prefer wagons but SUVs have their own place and purposes
SUV should be for off-road & bad surface road only. Sadly, SUV now pretends to be supercar too. Estate or MPV is the way to go for sure.
Which is why Europe is full of wagons, and not SUV's. SUV's are a waste for 99% of people who own them.
Matt, it's not the Urus V8 🙂 "The car uses a quite widely updated version of the ‘EA825’" - "it’s the first car in the group to benefit from the new crankshaft, pistons, conrods, turbos and fuel injection system that Porsche has just fitted to that engine. Why not just shoehorn a more powerful version of the existing V8, such as the one from the Lamborghini Urus or Audi RS6 Avant, into the Turbo S instead? Well, you couldn’t, apparently. The ‘MSB’ platform the Panamera uses has a tighter engine bay than the ‘MLB-Evo’ layout used by the likes of the Urus, Bentayga, Cayenne and RS6, and it also obliges a twin-clutch rather than torque converter automatic transmission."
Yes, but rotating assembly does not need more space under the hood.
Im suprised that its not the exact same platform as Audi 6.
Nerd
Interesting. Thanks for the info.
@@jareknowak8712 I agree, it would be stupid not to recycle a perfectly good bottom end from the other platform seeing how all the dimensions inside the engine are identical.
The wagon version is infinitely sexier
You beat me to it, this generation with the sport-wagon look is so much better looking than the previous generations imo
Ill take it simply because of the rear bench seat which you cant get on the coupe
no way
That's interesting cause I've already heard quite a few people saying that wagon looks sexier and I personally believe that hatchback looks a little bit better. It's probably the retractable rear spoiler that does it for me, plus the overall shape, sort of like an enlarged 911.
Sexy as in beyond stupid looking? Yeah agree for sure.
Imagine if Porsche made a small sedan, like 3 series sized....man that would be good.
Imagine making 4,5 meters long Taycans little brother, or better sister :)
Taycan is 5.0m long.
Porsche is part of VW like Audi and Audi has the Audi RS3. The RS3 is still a little monster.
th-cam.com/video/3ms3IRQUPMM/w-d-xo.html
Rick2010100 Handling is no good on rs3, especially compared to Porsche standards.
AMG 63 yeah nothing like a Porsche, but then even if it handles half as good it’s still 2x better then everything else
Rick2010100 yeah but that’s way too small, a4 is more of a better size dude. 3’s are ugly as hell
I often fast-forward through the opening promo spot. Not this time...
Same! Lmao. I did a double take while Matt, took a one take.
Modal boxers are 100% worth buying.
LOL same!
Keep your balls cool brothers.
He had me at "balls"
Now i can't stop thinking about how the atmosphere us full of "ball moisture"... 😬
Especially on those HOT and HUMID days.
8:30 Pretty sure that's a gas leak sniffer system hanging off the front of that truck. Probably the gas company doing a routine check
And the chains are there to drag on the ground and electrically ground the car so there's no risk of static buildup on the car resulting in a spark when you get out and touch something.
You two are so smart 👏
I definitely prefer the Sport Turismo to the first generation hatchback, but boy they really nailed the proportions of the hatchback with the second generation. I hope to pick up one used in the next couple of years, and I am genuinely torn between the wagon and the second generation hatchback. I will probably end up with the latter just because of the limited availability of the former.
get the wagon bro. ive got one and I love it. looks way better
How come the wagons are more limited?
@@watwillwedonext Much smaller market for wagons, at least here in North America. The target market for wagons here shifted to minivans in the '80s and '90s, and then eventually to S/CUVs.
@@sportturismo_4s ultimately I decided to get a weekend / vacation property instead. So I got a late-model Volkswagen Arteon (with the updated engine/transmission combo) as a consolation prize.
I've been going through a tear of one takes lately and man you've slimmed down loads!
Yep, matt is looking great at them moment. If he can get a bit trimmer and pack on some muscle he'll be a certified silver fox.
@@ahhh6201 but without the hair😉
That spec is killer😍
The video starts at 0:00 , thank me later!
Much love, your friends at Rev Media!!
This car will turn your groceries into a smoothie on the drive home.
That’s no good. I hate steak-salmon-oatmeal-vegetable-chocolate smoothies. 😉
What a coast to coast car this would make........
Just imagine one of these in green over brown
green over white looks better
I am picking one up with a truffle brown interior in a couple of months and will be wrapping it in dark green 🤤
Here to show my appreciation for the person who designed that cup holder
What watch are you wearing?!
If I could only have one car, that would probably be the one.
Matt, I think the nurburgring time of the 991.1 gt3rs isn't set by Porsche, it's set by a journalist. If you look at .2 gt3rs (yes .2 is better but it's slight improvement) 991.2 gt3rs is a sub 7 min car. But great video thou. If we look at 991.1 3RS on Laguna Seca, it did 1:33 there ( 1 s faster than a 570s ).
Which road is this? I’m in LA and I can’t recognize it
videos never do speed justice, and yet this looks fast. I can't imagine how fast it actually is in real life. what an incredible machine!
Now that the GTS has effectively the same engine you could probably save a bunch of money buying one of those and remapping it. I wonder how much of the internals and things are different.
The ultimate grocery getter! I can only imagine how much ground this car can cover out on the open road; effortlessly gobbling up miles at warp speed with so much in reserve for overtaking...ahhhh, if only I had the money! 🤑🏎🚀
So... I checked how much this car costs where I live (Portugal), and it STARTS at 243 085,00€. WHAT?!
same for where i live (246000), that is insane
$457134 in Australia.
@@jakewarren9465 with the conversion that's still 30K more than here!
With no options 177.000€ and with the options I chose it's at 210.000€... in germany.
Thankfully we don’t have VAT and the same level of duties here in the US. Between that and the pretty cheap fuel prices it’s a lot easier for us to drive high end and high powered cars.
I think you got something wrong there. What you are talking about, is the '997' GT3 RS, not the last Gen. vehicle. Because the '991' GT3 RS version does it in ~7.10 min.
Also the current Gen. '992' Carrera S does it in 7.25 min. not 7.30 min..
I think you mixed up the Genreations there big time...
No, he's talking about the 991.1
Which did it in 7:28
@@HoratioHoodoo I direct you to this site sir www.automativ.de/rekorde-nordschleife-nuerburgring-rekordtabelle. It was the '997' which did it in 7:27 in 2011, half a year before the '991.1' basemodel came out...
The GT3 RS 991.1 version (in the list wrongly labeled 991.2) set a laptime of 7:12 and the actual 991.2 set 2018 a laptime of 6:54...
Sport Auto did the 991 gt3rs in 2015 and the gt3 in 2013. 7:28 & 7:32.
@@HoratioHoodoo sport auto? whatever this is, its not porsches official drivers, plus they have no officials timing the whole thing, so your answer is pointless. I´m talking about official numbers not some magazine testing cars...
I've had a Panamera S e Hybrid for more than 2 years, and I'm terribly jealous of the owners of the new Turbo S! The Pano is an epic road car in an age when most plebes buy SUV's because they think they 'need' the extra height, etc... truth is, for an enthusiast who wants a comfortable, luggage-hauling, great handling CAR, Porsche has just the ticket.
The 2 door GTC4Lusso T costs almost $100K more, and I guess you could look at a BMW M8 but again you can't get the practicality of 4 doors either way.
Love these fast German wagons so glad we get the RS6 and the 2 Porsche hatchbacks
Never thought that deep about my ball comfort that much but there genius sweat free balls
I wonder how long before we have a 10,000 lb 'sports car'?
dan noyes yeah, the weights are getting ridiculous.
And wait 'til you get a load of electric cars' weights with their ginormous batteries.
Great. Now I have to walk around thinking about other guy’s vaporized ball-sweat floating around in the air everywhere I go. 🤦🏻♂️
What’s crazy is a new C2S is almost as fast as a previous gen GT3RS. Porsche always pushing performance boundaries so much.
I am driving around in the last 991.2 911 4S. Reminds me of that. Way more power than you can use. Just goes flat and fast wherever you point it. How does Porsche improve performance every new model better than the car it replaces?
Excellent cars but as you say, depreciation is killer. Where do I sign anyway? 👊
I often wish they would make a compact sedan.. I drive a M235i and love the size, especially in a city. I’d love a 911, but not practical for me with a dog 🐶
Do you have the Track Edition with an LSD? If not look at an M2, that LSD makes a huge difference to the car (I went from 2014 M235i to 2016 M2 and it sounds like a similar car but no it's a completely different beast)
Yes please...I'm also in the camp that if Porsche made a compact sedan (or even a useful 4 seat coupe) on roughly the same price scale as the Macan, I'd be all over it.
They should make 4.5m long Taycan, instead of 5.0m.
Right on@@dill6078 Yeah man, I’ve been eyeing them M2s.. Congrats on pulling the trigger! Don’t have the LSD, and just Monday, a guy at the dealership said the M2s were going for in the $30k range.. 😀 I guess if i love the style, don’t fix it. Would just love a Porsche one day 😎
@@djsomeguy Yeah, it could happen. They made a boatload of money on the Cayenne and Macan.. I don’t see the Panamera being a cash cow for them but maybe I’m wrong. If they can make money off it.. I bet they’ll make a smaller electric next.. Hmm... or bigger?
Who spotted the JRE - Lex Friedman.
Speaking of which Matt your due to go back on Rogan soon.
Sucks being poor, I like
I'd be curious what your review of a 'normal' Porsche would be, such as a base 911 or a Cayenne.
I'm a simple man...I see Porsche, I click
Perfect daily driver right there.
Ballsy intro! 👍
A two take with this and the AMG GT 4 door would be an interesting comparison.
A new RS7 too
isnt the gt 4 door faster?
Shaiyan Hossain close but I would say the RS7 looks better. It has a very similar engine to the panamera
@@ShaiyanHossain yes 7:25 nurburing
That's a lot of car.
GT 63 S test coming soon? :)
how easily does a bike fit in there...the roofline is so raked I'm not sure what to call it . the Ring time is nuts considering the weight!
Baghdad ballsweat is my favorite punk band
If I win the lottery this week I'll order this bad boy
On my list to pick up in 5 years after the depreciation bus has run its course. Hello 2026!
Electric take over sad to say we're dinosaurs
This Turbo S , Turbo Turbo S , super S TURBO SSSSSSS looks FUGLY but its really fast..... Why would anyone buy this thing boggles my mind.
What has the world come to?
The juxtaposition of this proposal is so ludicrous, 7m29s around the ring - but this car will spend 99.9% of its time carrying groceries, luggage, or kids around. Perhaps the odd traffic light drag race (likely lost to a Tesla), or some 15% over average, on a family trip where the driver is feeling a little adventurous.
Mostly, will satiate egos and be the subject of arguments about how fast it is and how well it handles (although likely few arguments about how unappealing it it is to look at).
Consumerism at its very very best, selling us shit for money we don’t have to solve problems we don’t encounter - long love capitalism.
What road is that?
LOL sport tire and exhaust? I can get better sound with a MUFFLER DELETE and some TOYOs for rubber. Dealerships rip you off
What do you prefer Matt? This, or RS6 Avant, or E63 AMG Wagon?
Definitly the rs6 i just adore that car.
I prefer the handling of this to the RS6. IT's lighter on its feet. But it's a lot more expensive than E63 wagon.
Dear Matt, I'm pretty sure the GT3RS does it a lot faster than what you quoted. Check out this official video from Porsche th-cam.com/video/b0yxhzMGviA/w-d-xo.html
I saw one of these the other day while driving up to the mountain. This asian grandpa was doing 10 under in it...smh moment for me, but whatever I'm just jealous
That center console with all the piano black is making me squirm :/ it looks good and then almost immediately; terrible and scratched
No other car reviewer talks about his balls. Kudos.
And to such an extent.
And others' balls.
Outstanding.
The panamera turbo is gone...... The only panamera hybrid is 4s
That cup holder tho...
Panamera upload on my birthday. Let us hope this is a sign of presents to come...
Jordan Stead happy b-day🎉🎉
Happy birthday!
Happy Birthday!
Wagons are for that guy who’s wife owns his balls and won’t let him get a real car / sports car
came here to see how a hatchback can be faster than a gt3 rs... got a commercial on underwear, wtf?
I don't care what anyone says this shit is fucking sick and I would totally daily it.
Porsche gave the 4.0 v8 to lambo and audi not vise versa
Where's the lol emoji for the underwear commercial?
That piano black needs to go away in the car industry
Those look like the largest calipers I have ever seen on a production car in my life
Go check out a Taycan Turbo S for big brakes.
No its not. People need to stop equating speed with 0-60 times.
I thought Americans would have stopped talking like Brits in their car reviews back when the boys left Top Gear and or grew out of enjoying that style of entertainment. The issue keeps growing, everything has recently switched to "Zed, coupe', petrol, bonnet, etc." on these traditional American car review YT channels.
The Camaros zl1 proved this point awhile ago. Big power numbers and really wide tires matter more than weight saving, fancy suspension, fancy traction control etc. there’s a reason an 80k Camaros is faster than a Ferrari 488 on a racetrack: wider tires and more power. Midengine, front engine, everything else changes how a car feels but doesn’t necessarily improve its performance ceiling as far as lap times go
Those shades of your Matt are awesome 😎
There better than this great Porsche..
I’ve tried to pause the video a dozen times on my oled Panasonic and just can’t get the brand..
Please help Matt to a great fan of yours from over the pond in very wet Blighty 🇬🇧
I never understood why this Porsche never had a flat engine. Porsche doesn't believe it's own 911 formula. Cost savings? Ahhahahahaha.
I dont know wy but i just cant stand a V8 sound in a Porsche
Yeah, sure but it's still an Ugly Baby.
Porsche launch control definitely works better than almost any other, but it also sounds proper too. Launch control for the Ford GT and the new Ferrari SF90 sound awful in my opinion!
SNL quality ad. Nice work. Oh, car is badass too...
How's the oil consumption?
Hey Matt What watch is that you're wearing?
weiss. matts friends with the creator and talked him into a one off custom blue.
Oh dang. That's kinda cool.
Nice car but the Tesla Mod S Plaid does the Nurburgring in 7:13 for130k...
Sounds like it’s better dynamically compared to RS6 (?). So RS6 vs E63 vs RS6?
Did you drive the previous gen Turbo S e-hybrid? Is this one better or you’d go for a second-hand first gen (saving +80k in depreciation)?
Drove this exact presser a few weeks after Farrah did. It's absolutely fucking ballistic.
Don’t love the Panamera but this would be the ultimate do almost do everything car. I can imagine the instance here in Houston would be astonishingly expensive.
Holy Moly that is freaking heavy. How can it be that fast at the Nurburgring - unbelievable.
Not your fathers station-wagon. . .
just needs to be green, and it would be perfect!
Light blue metalic, or turquoise, and 2 door for me!
Thanks for your review. If I were 20 years younger this would be my car. I'll stick to my 2020 Spyder.
Bro, those fly by shots are unreal! That thing is moving.....
All the 4l hot v v8 wagons have to be put head to head. The audis the Benz and the Porsche.
Major respect for the WTF w/Marc Maron podcast. Great comedian and interviewer! Would be interesting if you did his show at some point...
Come to where I live in Canada and you won't complain about the heat lol I'll gladly take some
Sounds like the same engine as in the Audi S8. Prolly same as Urus.
God damn it's beautiful,. Honey its a family wagon!
This particular example IS running with the sport exhaust option. The normal quad exhaust has a squared off design.
Kept thinking of Matt boogieing....
When a car settles on both axles under braking it pitches (not squat.)
Squatting is settling on the rear axle under acceleration.
Thanks for a great test of a great car. Have not tried the S, must be awesome :)
I tangled with a 2020 turbo a few weeks back in my 2014 GT3. It was headlight sucking fast.
The price? If you have to ask, you can't afford it!
10:35 I guess we now know why press cars have to be sanitized in between loans. 😂😂
Feeling bold this morning... Oh hi,. I was just uh. ..
Tucking my balls in my pouch where I left them earlier
I just watched the podcast with Betim. I learned so much about suspension turning from that pikes peak conversation.
So, this being a German spec car wondering if the suspension is not set up for US roads. You seemed to prefer this car in comfort mode or sport 1.
The almost 5,000 lbs is very obvious in the drive by shots like a linebacker on steroids. Amazing Nordschleife numbers .
I’m sure sponsorship deals should be somehow related to motoring
Buying this when I retire and can afford a potential repair, instead of paying for college and weddings.