It's interesting to realize that neither Joel nor Marlene allow Ellie to make her own choice. Marlene doesn't because she doesn't know Ellie and fears she might say no. Joel doesn't because he does know Ellie and fears she will say yes.
Joel wouldn’t of had the chance to ask Ellie though, Marlene wanted him gone and if he tried to talk to Ellie she wanted them to kill Joel. So Ellie was never going to get a choice and Joel was never going to be able to ask her. Plus if Ellie said she didn’t want to do it I highly doubt the firefly’s would let her leave.
@@JBurnz001 I don't think Joel would have asked Ellie if he had the chance. He loves Ellie like his own daughter. Even Anna (Ellie's mom) lied to Marlene about cutting the umbilical cord before she was bitten to save Ellie. Tough choices to make when you love a child/daughter that much.
She’s absolutely right though, season two experience isn’t going to be the same at all. The second game has a very different feel to it. It’s going to challenge her in completely different ways and I’m so excited for when it finally comes out!
I'm thinking season two will be more about Abby's origins, and Ellie's life in Jackson, and then Season 3 we get what would have been the game's part two. Give Bella more time to grow into the role.
@@16Vagabond Nah the second game is basically double the length of the first, so that's why it's split into 2 seasons. I'm sure they'll flesh certain things out more like they did with this season, but it's already been confirmed that Seasons 2 and 3 will cover the events of the second game
i have a feeling they'll adapt the 2nd part completely different to the game. I don't see how Bella Ramsey can portray a 19yo Ellie when she's already 19.
@@mynameismark25 make up, the way she's dressed and the way she acts will for sure make a big difference. I was watching this k drama called itaewon class and there was this high school bully that look way different even when the series jump to 20 yrs later and it's played by the same actor. The difference was that after that time jumo, he dressed more mature, acted more mature etc.
@@b.u.l.1734 To be honest, plenty of folks aren't that mature for Bella's age. It usually takes a few years for people leaving High School to get educated around college, university, etc. and become more mature over time. And some people never grow up.
While I think Ellie would have chosen to sacrifice herself, I don’t think that she really wanted to die. I think that she was experiencing survivors guilt and felt that if hadn’t have sacrificed herself then “what was it all for”. But I think once she gets over that pain and guilt, much like Joel after Sarah’s death, Ellie would start to find new reasons to want to keep going, through love, and the relationships she builds in Jackson’s that begin to heal her wounds. As we see in Part 2, Ellie felt that Joel robbed her of her meaning, and that that she should have died in that hospital. Although we then see her start to mend her relationship with Joel, and experience new love to the point where she is ready to try and forgive him. All before the inevitable.
ITS SO HARD. On one hand, I believe it was wrong of Joel to rob humanity of that chance to return to normal. If saving Ellie truly did rob humanity of a cure then literally every single death after the end of Part 1 is all Joel's fault. (lil hyperbole but not really). Imagine the children that will be born into a world where they have fear of infected monsters is constantly rampant. Yet on the other hand, I would have done the exact same thing as Joel. There's also the other factors of the fireflies possibly not being able to produce a cure - then that would make Ellie's death pointless. Also the factor of Ellie not being able to consent, even if she had been able to consent and she said yes, she was still facing survivor's guilt like you said. Honestly, I don't know.
@@bug688 I completely agree. I think what Joel did was completely wrong morally and ethically, but if I were in the same situation with someone from my family, then I wouldn’t hesitate to do the same.
What I think makes Ellie anger in season 2 at Joel so much more poignant is that by saving her Joel essentially made every bodies lives who has died to help get them there for nothing. In her mind Joel preventing her from going through with the operation meant Riley died for nothing, it meant Tess died for nothing, it Henry and Sam died for nothing.
As someone who has played TLOU and Left Behind a lot, really have lost count, watching Bella become Ellie was very impactful. She is Ellie in as much as Ashley was Ellie. The next game as Craig stated must be more than 1 season. Congratulations to Bella for an outstanding depiction of a game character. She definitely deserves an award for her performance.
That is true but I actually really loved Abby's storyline and how it turned out in the end. Its a very mature look at human nature and how complex pain can be. lol but yeah she might need security everywhere she goes.
I like the majority of the fans had no problems with Abby. I did have a problem with the hate she got which was completely unwarranted from a bunch of overly emotional kids who played the game at an impressionable age and had to wait too long for a sequel and felt betrayed by the progression of the story. That and right wing manboys scared by change made up the rest. One of the first times in my life where I realised that the majority of people really need to grow up a bit
I’ll forever have episode 8 as one of my favorites due to me relating in the fact that I was a victim of SA, when I first watched that scene of her going overboard I was so in shock of myself because I envisioned myself in that position, ellie going down on every last bit of his head, feelings such anger, being so frustrated and having anger control every bit of you during that moment. I was scared at the fact that I saw myself as her, not feeling an ounce of guilt in my bones.
I can't believe I was skeptical of her casting before they released the show. She has taken Ellie and made her her own. I will riot if they recast her for season 2. Bella _is_ Ellie. Or I guess I should say Bellie.
The writers have outright said in many interviews they will never recast her, which is great to hear. Glad they are sticking it to the people who still whine about her being miscast
@@marthedreamer7629 They're definitely not recasting her. They said that many times by now. And Ellie talks about how season 2 will be different for her right in this video. She wouldn't do that if her role in season 2 wasn't a safe deal.
I think that's a healthy mindset for everyone to have going in to season 2. It's gonna be a lot darker and a lot more brutal and it's gonna make a lot of people upset I'm sure. But I am super stoked to see them potentially continue the story with another game and/or season beyond 2.
Actors like Bella, who blend in so well with their characters, inspire me to pursue my dream and become an actor. I'd love to learn from them and become a good actor myself
I'm on both sides. If it was ME immune and given the choice I would let the surgery happen For All Mankind (if you know you know). But if it was MY segregate Daughter I would do just what Joel did. No hesitation.
@reaperproductions5883 I mean, it's not even confirmed if they will start recording this year, and there's also prepping the locations, all the editing, re-recording some of the soundtracks, it's gonna be a while
@@viniciusribeiro7279 well season 2 was confirmed before season 1 was even finished so they can have a lot done this year still. Since it's a game adaptaition they already have the base material, the plot and the story.
I don't think Ellie's sole purpose was to sacrifice herself. I think that's what Marlene *told* Ellie her purpose was, during a time when Ellie was traumatized over the loss of her best friend and first love - a loss she blamed on herself. Using her innate sense of selflessness to achieve her own goals. Did Joel just act selfishly, or was what he did the only way he could think of to save Ellie from a choice she would be manipulated into accepting?
Ellie's devotion to being the cure is definitely a result of survivor's guilt, but it's still a strong innate motivator that I don't think should be attributed to Marlene. Ellie isn't easily manipulated; as you see in her conversations with Marlene and David, she has no problems telling authority figures to shove it when they're wrong. Only when they say something that resonates with her/is true, does she listen. We see this even before Riley gets bit; after Ellie gets in trouble at the military school, her conversation with the FEDRA officer leads her to introspect and even suggests that she and Riley work together to fix things, because she does actually feel passionate about being a protector of some kind, of dedicating herself to a cause. It's where she and Joel are very similar. Ellie is determined to go along with the quest, but I think what really hammers in her commitment is the loss of Tess, then Sam, then Henry. This culminates at the winter arc with David, where Ellie gets a real look at just how ugly the world can be outside of getting infected, *because* of the decay the infection has caused. It's more-so the universe continuously driving home the point that something needs done, and she's the only one who can do it. What are all those sacrifices that kept her alive for, if she doesn't pay them back? Riley was the first, but she's unfortunately far from the last loss. Joel's choice is such a pivotal part of everything for a reason; there's so much to it. The complexities of his selfishness vs his selflessness in the face of the daughter he loves, the complexities of Ellie's loyalty to her father-figure vs the betrayal she feels towards everyone else she's lost, the concept of wrong or right vs the question of does it even matter? This will all be expanded upon in Part 2 so I can't give my full thoughts without heavy spoilers, but I guess I just wanna say that it's definitely more complicated than that, haha. The opinion I've maintained since before Part 2 though is that Joel was in the right to save Ellie... Where he screwed up was in lying to her about it
@@dragonsrule20201 Ellie isn't easily manipulated to go against her nature, no, but when someone is trying to get her to do something she is already predisposed towards doing that's an entirely different matter. And especially when it is from one of the few people she trusts - such as Marlene. Maybe it was always a suicide run for Ellie, she had determined that she had to give her life for it to have meaning after so many had died around her. And maybe she was wrong. Maybe her life *could* have a meaning other than dying on an operating table during an experimental procedure that in all honesty probably wouldn't have worked. Joel had been there. It took him twenty years to find something new to fight for, but it happened. All because he didn't die that time when his guilt and loss told him that was all he had left to do. Joel and Marlene both made choices for Ellie. The difference being that Marlene's choice would have killed her, while Joel's gave her the opportunity to live and to go on to make choices of her own in the future. He's got that going for him.
@@LeftyConspirator I initially typed up a much longer response but what I'll shorten it to is: I agree. I just thought it was necessary to point out that it is what Ellie strongly feels her purpose is, and I don't think she'd feel as strongly about it if she were simply manipulated. With that in mind, I also think it's important to balance the understanding that Joel ultimately did what was best for her, with the understanding that Ellie is entitled to her grief and upset that Joel lied to her. That final scene with her clear internal struggle before finally settling on "okay" is fantastic. Being the cure is NOT Ellie's purpose, but that's how she sees it, and that's what's important going forward. Perspective is everything in this franchise. I enjoy your reply a lot, and I'm very excited for people like you to eventually watch season 2 so we can have these discussions again!
@@dragonsrule20201 I don't expect Ellie to be okay with it (and spoiler warning, I already know she won't be), but at least she'll be around to feel that way.
There is so much pressure for the actress that will be casted as Abby for sure a lot of hate will be drawn to her. But let's see how things will playout in a couple of years for S2
They better get Bella to do Ellie in the 2nd show, They have to do a 2nd season omg please. This 1st one was PERFECT. More more more please and thank you very much. I also need this on dvd as I dont have HBO. As a player and fan of BOTH games I am truly delighted with the direction they went with this.
that is a very tough question, and while i think she would, i still think she would kick up a storm to at least give Joel the choice, or at the very least, a last conversation
@@scorake14 I think you’re right. I think she would defer to him and his wisdom on the situation. Or try to. But it’s a good thought exercise to wonder what she’d do or what she’d do next. Would she still have gone back to Jackson? stayed with the fire flies? That’s with the concept of course that somehow the roles were reversed
Oh absolutely not, lol. We already see what happens when their roles are reversed in the winter arc; Ellie steps up and makes Joel her number one priority. Ellie's devotion to the cure is not because of an innate sense of morality, it's because she feels guilt for the losses she experienced. To her, sacrificing herself is a way of evening the scales and making everyone else's sacrifice worth it to keep her alive, when she feels that she's been "left behind". If Joel were the cure, she would not think he had any obligation to die for it, and she especially wouldn't force him to. As she reiterates multiple times too, she really cannot handle another loss. I mean, in their conversation about his attempted suicide, Ellie says she's glad he missed. If Joel had died that day, it would save a countless amount of lives that he admitted were innocents he killed without much thought. But that doesn't matter to Ellie, because those innocents are not the person who has stayed beside her, who would do anything for her. They are both insanely loyal to each other to the point of destruction, and I think that's what is so compelling about their dynamic.
I still believe that although ellie was willing to sacrifice herself for a cure it was through survivors guilt. This is a 14 year old put through the most difficult choice that even an adult has a hard time to make. She blames herself for the death of Riley, Tess, Sam, and so many others. That's and unfair thing to put upon herself. It seems noble but even joel knows That's not right. Even if he didn't get to give her a choice the fireflies did make the situation worse. The moment they felt they could find a cure they instantly put her on the table to kill her. They took the choice from her first. And to make it worse remember the cure is NOT a guarantee. They think they can make a cure. And I've never heard of a neurological/virologist/epidemiologist/surgeon. That's a lot of fields for one person that I find hard to believe. So no I call B.S in that guy.
As somone who loved tlou2 I think its gonna be hard to pull off season 2 as a big part of it was forcing you to play as other characters which forced the player to empathize w them the more they went through. I'm curious to see how they'll do it for season 2. They did an amazing job w season 1 so im optimistic!
Playing from other perspectives actually works better for T.V and film. Unlike games it's rare in other media just to follow just one characters perspective.
@@Etheral101 yeah I think what's going to be difficult is the non-linearity and immersion. Despite all the criticism, I LOVED the way they set up the timeline and the placement of all the flashbacks were perfect to be emotional gut-punches. I have doubts that that would work in a TV format though, unfortunately. Like Mazin and Neil have discussed, it can be difficult because in a game, you can just play for hours; in a show, there has to be a beginning and an end to every episode. That, in addition to the fact that Part 2 is going to be more than one season and viewers will therefore have to wait over a year for a full conclusion is definitely... Ambitious. I'm hoping for their success though, I truly hope season 2 is even more beloved than Part 2.
Also it looked like Marlene’s neck was purple implying she got bit, and Anna, Ellie’s mom looked like she had scratches on her legs implying infected scratched her, so I think nursing would have been fine since she was born immune
Me and a friend were discussing this. I have a feeling they won't go like for like with the second game, I think they could flesh out the series with content from the 4 years between games
I still have the feelings that Ellie knew that the surgery was fatal all along, ultimately not feeling like Joel would abandon her but she will abandon him.
@@RusselChristopher the show is good no doubt about that but is it perfect Chris? Far from it. They have really rushed through it and feels more like the Cliff Notes version of the Last of Us. Bella's performance has been serviceable but lacks any real nuance.
Well maybe Ellie was team sacrifice from the get go BUT she would most of all have liked to be involved in the decision to be killed, that is for sure! Fireflies and consent seem at odds.
That’s just it, Ellie FOR SURE would want to know and make the decision for herself. I’ll always stand by that. Joel had no choice but to save her. The Fireflies may not have been able to even make a cure.
@@tmac326 right ? How the hell were they gonna make a cure in an apocalyptic word where you have issue just getting uncontaminated water ? When we already have issue making one cure for cancer even with all the technology we have. Fireflies were a little too hopeful
Season 2 has the potential to cause a big uproar like Part 2 did. I’m hoping they take some of the criticism of the second game to heart and try to improve the story rather than just copy it and risk the same backlash.
@@TheChilorian1234 Perhaps. I have given it some thought and it makes more sense from the show’s perspective to keep it like the game because unlike the fans of the game, they won’t need to wait 7 years to theorize and imagine what will happen next only to (for a large portion of fans) get completely heart broken.
Ellie would do it because she believes that’s her purpose. But she wasn’t even given the choice, Marlene just went ahead. And also, no 14 year old who has been through so much trauma should ever been made to make that choice. It’s ethically and morally reprehensible to put a child in a position to do so.
Precisely! The fact that they've just had her for a short while and pretty much the first thing they do is go "yeah let's kill her on the off chance that we'll be able to do something with the cordyceps in her brain". Idk- if I had the possible solution to a zombie virus my first thought wouldn't be "let's risk everything and kill what might be our only chance". Run every damn test you have no matter how irrelevant istg, don't just kill this child what could only be mere hours after she finally arrived.
What I don’t understand is how people expected Joel’s decision to go unpunished in the second game. It’s like they expected him and Ellie to go on another adventure and ride off into the sunset together . What he did was satisfying for gamers who followed Joel, but to everyone else trying to survive and find a cure, it was fucked up and almost evil in a sense. Not only did he murder the only people trying to find a cure, but he also knew deep down she would’ve sacrificed herself for a chance at saving everyone. It’s what makes this story great, and what makes part 2 even better. I know it’s gonna destroy the internet again though, and whoever they cast as abbey better get a massive paycheque and shut down all social media cause it’s gonna be rough lol
Huge fan of the game. Like one of my faves EVER. I was very happy with the show and am so looking forward to season 2. Both Pedro and Bella gave an amazing performance.
"I don't think she would've think twice, she would do it all the time..." "If somehow the Lord gave me second chance at that moment..." ...no explanation needed...
Yes I am actually. I just don’t want Joel nor Abby to die. I just wish the writers could changed them to Abby sparing Joel’s life, and has a pure heart and joined him and Ellie, and surviving with them too. I also think Kaitlyn Dever should play her.
Bella is a young person and the material in LOU Part 2 is mature content. As tempting as it may seem, I do not believe it is good for her mental health to play Ellie in season 2.
Marlene: Do you want to die for this 0.1% of a cure for a fungus infection that has been said is impossible to make (it actually is) Ellie: Hell yeah! Then she thinks 'It wasn't time that did it' Ellie: Fuck Yeah Joel would not miss the second time
Really enjoyed the last of us surpirsing so honestly but there were ups and downs like some characters acted rather stupid looking at the bloater scene but overall best game adaption i've ever seen im worried for part 2 though since that was fucking garbage
Well there will be at least 2 years it seems between filming. She was 17 when they started production and she will probably be closer to 20 when they start S2. They def aged her down in S1 as well. Bella is lightning in a bottle there's no f'ing way they recast her.
Es la primera serie que veo y en la segunda temporada sabemos que pasará, y la verdad, ¡¡si!! llore por que Joe es todo osea no estaría chido por que paso por muchas cosas como para que pase eso, nah :( me rompe, espero y los productores lo piensen y no lo mat3n en la segunda temporada no siempre tiene que ser como el juego... la verdad si muere no vería la segunda temporada seria muy triste, ¡¡diablos!!
i hope season two changes a lot from tlou game p2. the writing felt a little lazier (still love it though) and i think not focusing a little more on joel and ellie was a big mistake imo. also i cant handle it lmao
I feel like Marlene nor Joel were doing the right thing ? Neither of them let her decide. Marlene made the decision without consulting Ellie and Joel acted out with grief and regret. Also not knowing if the surgery would actually work . Because if it didn’t work Ellie would of died for nothing . I feel regardless Joel would of hunted down every firefly in the end for killing Ellie for no reason if their plan wasn’t successful! I feel like Ellie deserved a choice and I think she would of done it as a tribute to Joel, his daughter Riley and her mom Anna. I think them consulting with her would saved Joel’s rampage and Marlens death but then that doesn’t make the game fun does it or a season 2 🤣
@@thehound1359 I'm pretty sure he's talking about the actress that'll be playing as Abby and how she will play her. Settle down and don't get triggered so easily.
She did a great job on the show. She and Pedro had me tear up in a couple episodes. On a sidenote, stop saying "like" every sentence, it makes her sound unintelligent.
Speaking as a Super Fan of the GAME I can speak on the majority of us not being homophonic troll considering Ellie’s sexual preference was already part of the original story! Stop giving the minority attention; focus on the TRUE FANS ❤️
I really hope they pause the show for a bit to let Bella grow up to look more like adult Ellie from the second game instead of jumping into season 2 next year
This was already answered on another interview. The answer and I quote " I think she would have saved Joel, which would have been even more stupid because Joel’s pretty old." Their answer is so Ellie coded. I lol-ed.
Cordyceps vaccine - let's crash Ellie. The paralysis vaccine should - let's crash Bethany. Coronavirus vaccine - let's crash Sarah. A vaccine that doesn't work - we'll crash 10 of Caitlin's baby girls. Hey, all the Joel of the world, we're going to launch a lot of different vaccines! (sarcasm)
Cordyceps medicine - let's reset to zero Ellie. The paralysis medicine should - let's reset to zero Bethany. Coronavirus medicine - let's reset to zero Sarah. A medicine that doesn't work - we'll reset to zero 10 of Caitlin's girls. Hey, all the Joel of the world, we're going to launch a lot of medicine different ! (sarcasm)
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It's interesting to realize that neither Joel nor Marlene allow Ellie to make her own choice.
Marlene doesn't because she doesn't know Ellie and fears she might say no.
Joel doesn't because he does know Ellie and fears she will say yes.
On point
Marlene also has to think of her promise to Anna (Ellie's mom) to look after Ellie.
Joel wouldn’t of had the chance to ask Ellie though, Marlene wanted him gone and if he tried to talk to Ellie she wanted them to kill Joel. So Ellie was never going to get a choice and Joel was never going to be able to ask her. Plus if Ellie said she didn’t want to do it I highly doubt the firefly’s would let her leave.
@@JBurnz001 I don't think Joel would have asked Ellie if he had the chance. He loves Ellie like his own daughter. Even Anna (Ellie's mom) lied to Marlene about cutting the umbilical cord before she was bitten to save Ellie. Tough choices to make when you love a child/daughter that much.
@@JBurnz001 also on point
She’s absolutely right though, season two experience isn’t going to be the same at all. The second game has a very different feel to it. It’s going to challenge her in completely different ways and I’m so excited for when it finally comes out!
She can't do season 2, unless they want to wait for her to grow up
@@Oscar08814 Bella is the exact same age as Ellie in the second game. She’s 20 playing a 14 year old.
@@Malysari she still looks like 14
@@Malysari SHE'S 20yo?! holy, well, that makes it worse
@@Malysari she looks 14 buddy. A new Ellie is needed
I’m SO excited to see Bella become season 2, adult Ellie. It’s going to challenge her acting skills on such an extreme level.
Her skills in GOT will come in handy
we got a taste of it in ep 8 when she killed David
I'm thinking season two will be more about Abby's origins, and Ellie's life in Jackson, and then Season 3 we get what would have been the game's part two. Give Bella more time to grow into the role.
@@16Vagabond interesting
@@16Vagabond Nah the second game is basically double the length of the first, so that's why it's split into 2 seasons. I'm sure they'll flesh certain things out more like they did with this season, but it's already been confirmed that Seasons 2 and 3 will cover the events of the second game
“That’s he purpose” Bella understanding this gives me a lot of faith they’ll do the Joel/Ellie dynamic in part 2 justice
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@@oakillllll no I have directv
Bella was amazing as Ellie she will absolutely crush it in season 2 ,and beyond she has big shoes to fill ,but I have faith in her.
i have a feeling they'll adapt the 2nd part completely different to the game. I don't see how Bella Ramsey can portray a 19yo Ellie when she's already 19.
@@mynameismark25huh
@@mynameismark25 make up, the way she's dressed and the way she acts will for sure make a big difference.
I was watching this k drama called itaewon class and there was this high school bully that look way different even when the series jump to 20 yrs later and it's played by the same actor. The difference was that after that time jumo, he dressed more mature, acted more mature etc.
Remarkably self-aware for her age, I've been nothing but impressed with this show and its creators.
She's 19...
@@b.u.l.1734 To be honest, plenty of folks aren't that mature for Bella's age. It usually takes a few years for people leaving High School to get educated around college, university, etc. and become more mature over time. And some people never grow up.
@@TeddieSage1987 Fair enough.
@@b.u.l.1734as a 19 year old most of us aren’t as mature as she is
Kinda pisses me off lmao😂
@@gunnar4915 Lmfaooo, proving your point in your own comment 😭😭. Same
While I think Ellie would have chosen to sacrifice herself, I don’t think that she really wanted to die. I think that she was experiencing survivors guilt and felt that if hadn’t have sacrificed herself then “what was it all for”.
But I think once she gets over that pain and guilt, much like Joel after Sarah’s death, Ellie would start to find new reasons to want to keep going, through love, and the relationships she builds in Jackson’s that begin to heal her wounds.
As we see in Part 2, Ellie felt that Joel robbed her of her meaning, and that that she should have died in that hospital. Although we then see her start to mend her relationship with Joel, and experience new love to the point where she is ready to try and forgive him. All before the inevitable.
ITS SO HARD. On one hand, I believe it was wrong of Joel to rob humanity of that chance to return to normal. If saving Ellie truly did rob humanity of a cure then literally every single death after the end of Part 1 is all Joel's fault. (lil hyperbole but not really). Imagine the children that will be born into a world where they have fear of infected monsters is constantly rampant.
Yet on the other hand, I would have done the exact same thing as Joel.
There's also the other factors of the fireflies possibly not being able to produce a cure - then that would make Ellie's death pointless. Also the factor of Ellie not being able to consent, even if she had been able to consent and she said yes, she was still facing survivor's guilt like you said. Honestly, I don't know.
@@bug688 I completely agree. I think what Joel did was completely wrong morally and ethically, but if I were in the same situation with someone from my family, then I wouldn’t hesitate to do the same.
What I think makes Ellie anger in season 2 at Joel so much more poignant is that by saving her Joel essentially made every bodies lives who has died to help get them there for nothing. In her mind Joel preventing her from going through with the operation meant Riley died for nothing, it meant Tess died for nothing, it Henry and Sam died for nothing.
Bella did amazing on the show, can't wait to see more of her as Ellie in season 2!
She is not going to play Ellie in season 2
@@craz54321 me after I spread misinformation on the internet 🤭
@@craz54321 Neil Druckmann has literally said she will...
As someone who has played TLOU and Left Behind a lot, really have lost count, watching Bella become Ellie was very impactful. She is Ellie in as much as Ashley was Ellie.
The next game as Craig stated must be more than 1 season. Congratulations to Bella for an outstanding depiction of a game character. She definitely deserves an award for her performance.
I couldn't stop sobbing during this episode, like AT ALL. Especially at the end, I just don't know how I'm supposed to function now that its over
It's only a TV show, stop being so dramatic, it's cringe. 🤣
@@manvirshergill1739slam your balls in the dryer
Oml SAME I was CRYING and I died when the episode ended😭 how am I supposed to wait for season 2😭😭😭
@@manvirshergill1739we get it, you’re dead inside. Others aren’t. Stop being judgemental
@@arpitjha8968 it's not like his life depends on it if he doesn't "recover" from the show 😂😂
Bro, im ready to see savage Bellie haha, cannot wait for season 2
Whoever is cast as Abby ,just know you're the bravest woman in the world.
They just need to cast someone who is likeable, like Florence Pugh, and that will do a lot of the heavy lifting in terms of people warming up to her.
That is true but I actually really loved Abby's storyline and how it turned out in the end. Its a very mature look at human nature and how complex pain can be. lol but yeah she might need security everywhere she goes.
I like the majority of the fans had no problems with Abby.
I did have a problem with the hate she got which was completely unwarranted from a bunch of overly emotional kids who played the game at an impressionable age and had to wait too long for a sequel and felt betrayed by the progression of the story. That and right wing manboys scared by change made up the rest.
One of the first times in my life where I realised that the majority of people really need to grow up a bit
@@b.u.l.1734 omg I never thought of Florence Pugh as Abby, but now I *NEED* her to be Abby, she'll be great for the role
@@b.u.l.1734 That is a good point, like jefrrey dean morgan with negan
I’ll forever have episode 8 as one of my favorites due to me relating in the fact that I was a victim of SA, when I first watched that scene of her going overboard I was so in shock of myself because I envisioned myself in that position, ellie going down on every last bit of his head, feelings such anger, being so frustrated and having anger control every bit of you during that moment. I was scared at the fact that I saw myself as her, not feeling an ounce of guilt in my bones.
I can't believe I was skeptical of her casting before they released the show. She has taken Ellie and made her her own. I will riot if they recast her for season 2. Bella _is_ Ellie. Or I guess I should say Bellie.
The writers have outright said in many interviews they will never recast her, which is great to hear. Glad they are sticking it to the people who still whine about her being miscast
As the live action casting yes, but the REAL Ellie is obviously Ashley Johnson
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Dude, I think you meant the writers have said they WILL indeed recast her.
@@marthedreamer7629 they haven't lol, where have you heard that? It has been confirmed that she is not being recast and returning for season 2
@@marthedreamer7629 They're definitely not recasting her. They said that many times by now. And Ellie talks about how season 2 will be different for her right in this video. She wouldn't do that if her role in season 2 wasn't a safe deal.
I think that's a healthy mindset for everyone to have going in to season 2. It's gonna be a lot darker and a lot more brutal and it's gonna make a lot of people upset I'm sure. But I am super stoked to see them potentially continue the story with another game and/or season beyond 2.
Actors like Bella, who blend in so well with their characters, inspire me to pursue my dream and become an actor. I'd love to learn from them and become a good actor myself
Her acting is that of a seasoned legend
She was perfect for Ellie! Absolute amazing. Same with Pascal Pedro as Joel. Can't wait to see her in season 2 as a more older Ellie!
Good job on show. Looking forward for season 2.
I'm on both sides. If it was ME immune and given the choice I would let the surgery happen For All Mankind (if you know you know). But if it was MY segregate Daughter I would do just what Joel did. No hesitation.
Now we wait for Season 2, hopefully it will come out late next year or early 2025 (probably the second option)
@Reaper Productions finguers crossed
@reaperproductions5883 I mean, it's not even confirmed if they will start recording this year, and there's also prepping the locations, all the editing, re-recording some of the soundtracks, it's gonna be a while
@@viniciusribeiro7279 it was confirmed they posted it on their IG's
@@viniciusribeiro7279 well season 2 was confirmed before season 1 was even finished so they can have a lot done this year still. Since it's a game adaptaition they already have the base material, the plot and the story.
fingers crossed second half of 2024 but i too feel that's generous
I don't think Ellie's sole purpose was to sacrifice herself.
I think that's what Marlene *told* Ellie her purpose was, during a time when Ellie was traumatized over the loss of her best friend and first love - a loss she blamed on herself. Using her innate sense of selflessness to achieve her own goals.
Did Joel just act selfishly, or was what he did the only way he could think of to save Ellie from a choice she would be manipulated into accepting?
Ellie's devotion to being the cure is definitely a result of survivor's guilt, but it's still a strong innate motivator that I don't think should be attributed to Marlene. Ellie isn't easily manipulated; as you see in her conversations with Marlene and David, she has no problems telling authority figures to shove it when they're wrong. Only when they say something that resonates with her/is true, does she listen. We see this even before Riley gets bit; after Ellie gets in trouble at the military school, her conversation with the FEDRA officer leads her to introspect and even suggests that she and Riley work together to fix things, because she does actually feel passionate about being a protector of some kind, of dedicating herself to a cause. It's where she and Joel are very similar.
Ellie is determined to go along with the quest, but I think what really hammers in her commitment is the loss of Tess, then Sam, then Henry. This culminates at the winter arc with David, where Ellie gets a real look at just how ugly the world can be outside of getting infected, *because* of the decay the infection has caused. It's more-so the universe continuously driving home the point that something needs done, and she's the only one who can do it. What are all those sacrifices that kept her alive for, if she doesn't pay them back? Riley was the first, but she's unfortunately far from the last loss.
Joel's choice is such a pivotal part of everything for a reason; there's so much to it. The complexities of his selfishness vs his selflessness in the face of the daughter he loves, the complexities of Ellie's loyalty to her father-figure vs the betrayal she feels towards everyone else she's lost, the concept of wrong or right vs the question of does it even matter? This will all be expanded upon in Part 2 so I can't give my full thoughts without heavy spoilers, but I guess I just wanna say that it's definitely more complicated than that, haha. The opinion I've maintained since before Part 2 though is that Joel was in the right to save Ellie... Where he screwed up was in lying to her about it
@@dragonsrule20201 Ellie isn't easily manipulated to go against her nature, no, but when someone is trying to get her to do something she is already predisposed towards doing that's an entirely different matter. And especially when it is from one of the few people she trusts - such as Marlene.
Maybe it was always a suicide run for Ellie, she had determined that she had to give her life for it to have meaning after so many had died around her. And maybe she was wrong. Maybe her life *could* have a meaning other than dying on an operating table during an experimental procedure that in all honesty probably wouldn't have worked. Joel had been there. It took him twenty years to find something new to fight for, but it happened. All because he didn't die that time when his guilt and loss told him that was all he had left to do.
Joel and Marlene both made choices for Ellie. The difference being that Marlene's choice would have killed her, while Joel's gave her the opportunity to live and to go on to make choices of her own in the future.
He's got that going for him.
@@LeftyConspirator I initially typed up a much longer response but what I'll shorten it to is: I agree. I just thought it was necessary to point out that it is what Ellie strongly feels her purpose is, and I don't think she'd feel as strongly about it if she were simply manipulated. With that in mind, I also think it's important to balance the understanding that Joel ultimately did what was best for her, with the understanding that Ellie is entitled to her grief and upset that Joel lied to her. That final scene with her clear internal struggle before finally settling on "okay" is fantastic. Being the cure is NOT Ellie's purpose, but that's how she sees it, and that's what's important going forward. Perspective is everything in this franchise. I enjoy your reply a lot, and I'm very excited for people like you to eventually watch season 2 so we can have these discussions again!
@@dragonsrule20201 I don't expect Ellie to be okay with it (and spoiler warning, I already know she won't be), but at least she'll be around to feel that way.
There is so much pressure for the actress that will be casted as Abby for sure a lot of hate will be drawn to her. But let's see how things will playout in a couple of years for S2
The show is kick a$$. The actors are amazing at their roles and I love the Easter eggs. Excited for season 2.
They better get Bella to do Ellie in the 2nd show, They have to do a 2nd season omg please. This 1st one was PERFECT. More more more please and thank you very much. I also need this on dvd as I dont have HBO. As a player and fan of BOTH games I am truly delighted with the direction they went with this.
Nothing is perfect.
Second season is already confirmed as is Bella to continue the role 👍
@@manvirshergill1739 did we watch the same show
@@sophiagionis I'm just saying that nothing is perfect... even some of the best movies/tv shows might have some small issues...
@@manvirshergill1739 that's a given. but people are just expressing their love for this show, let them have fun
She is amazing! Looking forward to season 2!
i think a better question....would Ellie have sacrificed Joel if the choice was reversed?
that is a very tough question, and while i think she would, i still think she would kick up a storm to at least give Joel the choice, or at the very least, a last conversation
@@scorake14 I think you’re right. I think she would defer to him and his wisdom on the situation. Or try to. But it’s a good thought exercise to wonder what she’d do or what she’d do next. Would she still have gone back to Jackson? stayed with the fire flies? That’s with the concept of course that somehow the roles were reversed
Oh absolutely not, lol. We already see what happens when their roles are reversed in the winter arc; Ellie steps up and makes Joel her number one priority. Ellie's devotion to the cure is not because of an innate sense of morality, it's because she feels guilt for the losses she experienced. To her, sacrificing herself is a way of evening the scales and making everyone else's sacrifice worth it to keep her alive, when she feels that she's been "left behind".
If Joel were the cure, she would not think he had any obligation to die for it, and she especially wouldn't force him to. As she reiterates multiple times too, she really cannot handle another loss. I mean, in their conversation about his attempted suicide, Ellie says she's glad he missed. If Joel had died that day, it would save a countless amount of lives that he admitted were innocents he killed without much thought. But that doesn't matter to Ellie, because those innocents are not the person who has stayed beside her, who would do anything for her. They are both insanely loyal to each other to the point of destruction, and I think that's what is so compelling about their dynamic.
I still believe that although ellie was willing to sacrifice herself for a cure it was through survivors guilt. This is a 14 year old put through the most difficult choice that even an adult has a hard time to make. She blames herself for the death of Riley, Tess, Sam, and so many others. That's and unfair thing to put upon herself. It seems noble but even joel knows That's not right. Even if he didn't get to give her a choice the fireflies did make the situation worse. The moment they felt they could find a cure they instantly put her on the table to kill her. They took the choice from her first. And to make it worse remember the cure is NOT a guarantee. They think they can make a cure. And I've never heard of a neurological/virologist/epidemiologist/surgeon. That's a lot of fields for one person that I find hard to believe. So no I call B.S in that guy.
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@David Kaitō we are not trying to spoil part 2 for non gamer audience. Our topics are trying to stay on part 1. Can you please delete your comment.
As somone who loved tlou2 I think its gonna be hard to pull off season 2 as a big part of it was forcing you to play as other characters which forced the player to empathize w them the more they went through. I'm curious to see how they'll do it for season 2. They did an amazing job w season 1 so im optimistic!
Playing from other perspectives actually works better for T.V and film. Unlike games it's rare in other media just to follow just one characters perspective.
@@Etheral101 yeah I think what's going to be difficult is the non-linearity and immersion. Despite all the criticism, I LOVED the way they set up the timeline and the placement of all the flashbacks were perfect to be emotional gut-punches. I have doubts that that would work in a TV format though, unfortunately. Like Mazin and Neil have discussed, it can be difficult because in a game, you can just play for hours; in a show, there has to be a beginning and an end to every episode. That, in addition to the fact that Part 2 is going to be more than one season and viewers will therefore have to wait over a year for a full conclusion is definitely... Ambitious. I'm hoping for their success though, I truly hope season 2 is even more beloved than Part 2.
They stuck the landing bravo
YOU GET AN EMMY, AND YOU GET AN EMMY, EVERYBODY GETS AN EMMY
Also it looked like Marlene’s neck was purple implying she got bit, and Anna, Ellie’s mom looked like she had scratches on her legs implying infected scratched her, so I think nursing would have been fine since she was born immune
bella is amazing and so talented
Me and a friend were discussing this. I have a feeling they won't go like for like with the second game, I think they could flesh out the series with content from the 4 years between games
Can't wait to see bella in the season 2 😍💞🥰
Survivor's guilt is rough.
I still have the feelings that Ellie knew that the surgery was fatal all along, ultimately not feeling like Joel would abandon her but she will abandon him.
It is better she prepares herself. Because she will carry the show on next season
I loved Bella in Game of Thrones, now I think I will be following her career for the next 20 years.
Bella is the MVP of this show.
miscast.
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@@theodong6685 maybe you should go back to making wine the redneck way.
@@purefoldnz3070 and yet you love the show 😂, fking kid
@@RusselChristopher the show is good no doubt about that but is it perfect Chris? Far from it. They have really rushed through it and feels more like the Cliff Notes version of the Last of Us. Bella's performance has been serviceable but lacks any real nuance.
Well maybe Ellie was team sacrifice from the get go BUT she would most of all have liked to be involved in the decision to be killed, that is for sure! Fireflies and consent seem at odds.
That’s just it, Ellie FOR SURE would want to know and make the decision for herself. I’ll always stand by that.
Joel had no choice but to save her. The Fireflies may not have been able to even make a cure.
@@tmac326 right ? How the hell were they gonna make a cure in an apocalyptic word where you have issue just getting uncontaminated water ? When we already have issue making one cure for cancer even with all the technology we have. Fireflies were a little too hopeful
And she’s also 14 and traumatised…. So it’s ethically wrong to even allow a child to make that decision.
I feel like most of the season they just make the episodes end and for whatever reason they don’t feel like endings. Maybe not most but a few
Loved this series
my favourite story ever
Season 2 has the potential to cause a big uproar like Part 2 did.
I’m hoping they take some of the criticism of the second game to heart and try to improve the story rather than just copy it and risk the same backlash.
I hope they keep it the same, those strong emotions people felt on either side of the argument are kinda the point of the story
@@TheChilorian1234 Perhaps. I have given it some thought and it makes more sense from the show’s perspective to keep it like the game because unlike the fans of the game, they won’t need to wait 7 years to theorize and imagine what will happen next only to (for a large portion of fans) get completely heart broken.
If they make a few modifications, it will work.
The second games story is way superior, why change it?
They just need to change the pacing. Make it go cronologically. We have to start with Abby going to the hospital and finding her dad.
Season 1 started out as Pedro’s show but by episodes 7 and 8 it belongs to Bella.
They used the original Ellie to play her mother. I thought that was cool as hell.
Brandon Davis has a poster of "The Last of Us" & "LOST" behind him...a man of culture.
Ellie would do it because she believes that’s her purpose. But she wasn’t even given the choice, Marlene just went ahead. And also, no 14 year old who has been through so much trauma should ever been made to make that choice. It’s ethically and morally reprehensible to put a child in a position to do so.
Precisely! The fact that they've just had her for a short while and pretty much the first thing they do is go "yeah let's kill her on the off chance that we'll be able to do something with the cordyceps in her brain". Idk- if I had the possible solution to a zombie virus my first thought wouldn't be "let's risk everything and kill what might be our only chance". Run every damn test you have no matter how irrelevant istg, don't just kill this child what could only be mere hours after she finally arrived.
What I don’t understand is how people expected Joel’s decision to go unpunished in the second game. It’s like they expected him and Ellie to go on another adventure and ride off into the sunset together . What he did was satisfying for gamers who followed Joel, but to everyone else trying to survive and find a cure, it was fucked up and almost evil in a sense. Not only did he murder the only people trying to find a cure, but he also knew deep down she would’ve sacrificed herself for a chance at saving everyone. It’s what makes this story great, and what makes part 2 even better. I know it’s gonna destroy the internet again though, and whoever they cast as abbey better get a massive paycheque and shut down all social media cause it’s gonna be rough lol
I Love the way Bella recognizes Ellie wouldve wanted to save the world, straight from the mouth!!!
I love how Bella has such a great understanding of Ellie as a character
Huge fan of the game. Like one of my faves EVER. I was very happy with the show and am so looking forward to season 2. Both Pedro and Bella gave an amazing performance.
Love the show. And Bella is an amazing actor. Can't wait for season 2 and looking forward to start playing the games when it's on PC or Xbox.
"I don't think she would've think twice, she would do it all the time..."
"If somehow the Lord gave me second chance at that moment..."
...no explanation needed...
We love you Bella
time for Bella to get ripped to play Part 2 Ellie, gonna turn into a killing machine
Yes I am actually. I just don’t want Joel nor Abby to die. I just wish the writers could changed them to Abby sparing Joel’s life, and has a pure heart and joined him and Ellie, and surviving with them too. I also think Kaitlyn Dever should play her.
this show is so good bruh + I beat both games😁
Bella with long loose hair already looks like a 19 yo Ellie, they're gonna crush it without a doubt
Bella is a young person and the material in LOU Part 2 is mature content. As tempting as it may seem, I do not believe it is good for her mental health to play Ellie in season 2.
Not everyone is as fragile as you are...
She is 19 years old, and you don't think she will be able to handle it??
Grow the f##k up dude...
She's 19, I think she will be ok
And her killing someone that attempted to s**ually assault her isn't mature content?
She’s only 20 my god as the maturity of a someone in there 40s
Marlene: Do you want to die for this 0.1% of a cure for a fungus infection that has been said is impossible to make (it actually is)
Ellie: Hell yeah!
Then she thinks 'It wasn't time that did it'
Ellie: Fuck
Yeah Joel would not miss the second time
Bravo!!!!
But why not tell her? Sketchy morale!
Really enjoyed the last of us surpirsing so honestly but there were ups and downs like some characters acted rather stupid looking at the bloater scene but overall best game adaption i've ever seen im worried for part 2 though since that was fucking garbage
Well there will be at least 2 years it seems between filming. She was 17 when they started production and she will probably be closer to 20 when they start S2. They def aged her down in S1 as well. Bella is lightning in a bottle there's no f'ing way they recast her.
wish I could get a good look at her cat
Es la primera serie que veo y en la segunda temporada sabemos que pasará, y la verdad, ¡¡si!! llore por que Joe es todo osea no estaría chido por que paso por muchas cosas como para que pase eso, nah :( me rompe, espero y los productores lo piensen y no lo mat3n en la segunda temporada no siempre tiene que ser como el juego... la verdad si muere no vería la segunda temporada seria muy triste, ¡¡diablos!!
I already played TLOU part 2.
While Bella will always be known for GoT, this was a career- making performance
i hope season two changes a lot from tlou game p2. the writing felt a little lazier (still love it though) and i think not focusing a little more on joel and ellie was a big mistake imo. also i cant handle it lmao
I'm so impressed with what all Bella has accomplished in spite of not know her own Jender and having' Down Syndrome.
You go girl!!! I mean person.
I feel like Marlene nor Joel were doing the right thing ? Neither of them let her decide. Marlene made the decision without consulting Ellie and Joel acted out with grief and regret. Also not knowing if the surgery would actually work . Because if it didn’t work Ellie would of died for nothing . I feel regardless Joel would of hunted down every firefly in the end for killing Ellie for no reason if their plan wasn’t successful! I feel like Ellie deserved a choice and I think she would of done it as a tribute to Joel, his daughter Riley and her mom Anna. I think them consulting with her would saved Joel’s rampage and Marlens death but then that doesn’t make the game fun does it or a season 2 🤣
WHY DO YOU NEED BACKGROUND MUSIC FOR AN INTERVIEW?? So annoying
SHE KNOWS ABOUT THE LESBIAN DAUGHTER MEME!!! I LOVE HER
Golfclub is entering the chat...
Is she using a laptop or a phone
if you experience play game then iknow you know what happen to joel hahaha in next episode or next season
nice
ugh. cannot think of anyone doing a better job at Ellie. Rooting for Abbie though!
Rooting for Abby?
You don't root for anyone. That's the point of the second game. xD
@@thehound1359 I'm pretty sure he's talking about the actress that'll be playing as Abby and how she will play her. Settle down and don't get triggered so easily.
She did a great job on the show. She and Pedro had me tear up in a couple episodes.
On a sidenote, stop saying "like" every sentence, it makes her sound unintelligent.
Yeah it's a bad habit
Pedro is the mvp of the show!
Bye Bella is so 🥵 I was smiling the whole time. 💀
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what the fuck
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Florence Pugh as Abby would be🔥
are you crazy. Florence Pugh is hot and she is a woman.
Dunn people living it
Speaking as a Super Fan of the GAME I can speak on the majority of us not being homophonic troll considering Ellie’s sexual preference was already part of the original story! Stop giving the minority attention; focus on the TRUE FANS ❤️
So Bella adopted the kitten from the worst witch
Hopefully the writers fix the shitty storyline of the second game.
I really hope they pause the show for a bit to let Bella grow up to look more like adult Ellie from the second game instead of jumping into season 2 next year
Bella is 20
I wish someone asked her if the roles were reversed would ellie have saved Joel.
This was already answered on another interview. The answer and I quote " I think she would have saved Joel, which would have been even more stupid because Joel’s pretty old."
Their answer is so Ellie coded. I lol-ed.
bruh id turn gay for Bella she's so attractive ugh
can u tell bella hiiiiii
Forced denial
the world took everything from joel, so he took everything from the world
Cordyceps vaccine - let's crash Ellie.
The paralysis vaccine should - let's crash Bethany.
Coronavirus vaccine - let's crash Sarah.
A vaccine that doesn't work - we'll crash 10 of Caitlin's baby girls.
Hey, all the Joel of the world, we're going to launch a lot of different vaccines! (sarcasm)
Cordyceps medicine - let's reset to zero Ellie.
The paralysis medicine should - let's reset to zero Bethany.
Coronavirus medicine - let's reset to zero Sarah.
A medicine that doesn't work - we'll reset to zero 10 of Caitlin's girls.
Hey, all the Joel of the world, we're going to launch a lot of medicine different ! (sarcasm)
Nothing will ever surpass the game. Let's get it straight. Now with that being said. Is this the closest that we get to the games. It's a yes.
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Cautiously will watch the second season.
Shes too fucking cute.