Philip l remember being a apprentice one day college rest of the week at the firm lm a retired tradesman auto car refinisher l love any painting job love your videos
Phillip l had to buy lining brushes for coach lines them days not plastic tape l had to go to local art shop to buy a brush 6 quid a and l was on 14quid a week
I love that paint box with you special brushes leave a spray box for going on site touch up on cars l still it Ferrari spay red and a pouce silver they are still ok and my box is still ok l still do touch up on cars and love videos with spraying
Only just found this video. I got all the same qualifications from Sydenham back in the early 80s. My box has travelled round the world with me, even though it's been a while since I opened it in anger. Personally, I ended up specializing as a sticker, hanging wallcoverings in all sorts of locations, but did plenty enough graining, marbling, scumbling, all the sorts of broken colour. I still hear "if you can piss, you can paint". Well, maybe, but it doesn't mean you can make your own paint, that you know colour theory, that you understand all the chemistry and physics of finishes and substrates and how to prepare them, let alone all the specialist skills. I live in California now, and I've only ever met one apprenticed, union-card carrying qualified painter here. I showed him all the old books, and he'd never even heard of 90% of all the stuff I'd been taught. So it goes.
Thanks for taking the time to reply to my video. Where in CA are you based? We both know.... Anyone can paint But having the skills that are above just 'normal' painting set you above the masses ;) It's a shame more don't learn the trade properly via college and apprenticeship. Now It's all learning from 30sec tiktoc clips.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I'm in the San Francisco East Bay. It's so different from back in the UK. Everything is sheetrock with some kind of "broken plaster" finish, everything is tape-and-spray, if you describe a six-panel door or a sliding sash window people think you must be related to Charles Dickens! Wallpaper? Nope! When I think of the work I'd put into getting walls and ceilings into perfect nick, lining or cross-lining, checking with a lateral worklight for any imperfections, then I look at "normal" walls here - makes me weep! The plasterer's equivalent of woodchip, all over everything. Every now and then I get all the brushes out, just to make sure they're still in good nick. Stipplers, softeners, draggers, sword liner, riggers, fitches, a set of wide skinny artists brushes (12" wide, the biggest) I bought for the biggest dragging job I ever did for a socialite's dining room walls (base colour was a dark green, like British Racing Green, eggshell, the scumble was a couple of tones lighter - looked fabulous). Feathers, oak-roller (was what I called it!), the rubber grainers, floggers, sponges, you know, all those lovely tools. I had a few fancy tools for sticking, too. My favourite was a small cabinet-maker's offset-handle saw. I'd use it to put a cut, flush with the wall, behind a moulding on, say, each end of a window-sill. That way I could run the paper into the cut, straight down behind the moulding, rather than fiddle around trimming it around the details. I had a pasting machine, incredibly useful for getting the paste onto long drops almost instantly, so they'd soak evenly. I'd sometimes get huge jobs, like hotel stairwells or ballrooms where either the drop or the cross-lining would take more than a standard roll, so pasting up was a drama. Never mind setting up a scaffold that would let you hang it! Best paint memory wasn't a broken colour job. It was painting a brand new front door in black. I asked the owner if he'd be up for something special, a paint job like No 10's front door, and he was. It took me ten days to paint that door, but once we hung it and fitted all the brassware, I gave him a shaving kit to go with it, as you could definitely see your reflection well enough to shave! Keep up the good work. We don't want to go the same was as trug makers!
Thank you Phil, I think Lawrence Llewellyn Bowen, Tommy Walsh and co helped make the effects popular in 'Changing Rooms' in the 90s too, great resources to have when its called upon.
I remember buying 2 sable bushes for collage, cost £19 & I was only on £30 a week, still not got over it!!!! Use to keep them in a plastic pipe with a Cork in the end & vaseline on the bristle. Aww the good old days....
I still have my brushes in a plastic pipe all my lining brushes and they are still ok lm 73yrs my son is going to local college for sign and special effects painting
Great video Phill takes me back, shame the trade is losing some of these traditional crafts, I still have my parrys graining and marbling book from when I was at college in the 70s ,it was the bible of graining at the time , we used to get all our graining tools from a company called wrights of Lymm ,happy days lol
Video nostalgia. I did my City and Guilds 1984-88 (passed with a distinction) Always hated stippling a lot of time and effort for very little visual effect. Shading walls with scumbling absolute nightmare. I loved doing gold leaf although the tip and cushion method tested your patience and ability to hold your breath. Graining and marbling is an art. I recall the Badger hair softener being the most expensive brush ever from Wright's and Lym. I wonder if Phil can do a video on turning a ceiling over or how to make distemper 😀
When I see some of these ,where they go back the following day,to tone it down,we had to be in and out in morning if was a bar front done with manders ,or ratcliffs oil,the on of the other trades would smudge it
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator no only at the last knockings bloody good idea though for drying times the times ours got damaged before we even finished when it was oil, only ever seen methspirit based scumble used once by a bloke we called old clearly you can imagine how fast that would dry,did use terrabine dryers.
Forgot to say never had time to get used to water based scumble but the blokes who did used to put a drop of glycerine with it to keep the opening time alive.
Excellent stuff I beat you a lot of painters down here wouldn’t have a clue on wht or how to use them various kind of brushes a lot of them pick up a brush and hay I’m a painter
and they have TicTok 15sec vids to see how the others do it too. Like this new way of going over your cutting in with a small roller then rolling the main walls! If they knew how to cut in, feather out and then roll close, they'd save a lot of time.... and not have wet edges drying off on them.
Philip l remember being a apprentice one day college rest of the week at the firm lm a retired tradesman auto car refinisher l love any painting job love your videos
Phillip l had to buy lining brushes for coach lines them days not plastic tape l had to go to local art shop to buy a brush 6 quid a and l was on 14quid a week
and using tallow to keep them in shape as well :)
I love that paint box with you special brushes leave a spray box for going on site touch up on cars l still it Ferrari spay red and a pouce silver they are still ok and my box is still ok l still do touch up on cars and love videos with spraying
Only just found this video. I got all the same qualifications from Sydenham back in the early 80s. My box has travelled round the world with me, even though it's been a while since I opened it in anger.
Personally, I ended up specializing as a sticker, hanging wallcoverings in all sorts of locations, but did plenty enough graining, marbling, scumbling, all the sorts of broken colour.
I still hear "if you can piss, you can paint". Well, maybe, but it doesn't mean you can make your own paint, that you know colour theory, that you understand all the chemistry and physics of finishes and substrates and how to prepare them, let alone all the specialist skills. I live in California now, and I've only ever met one apprenticed, union-card carrying qualified painter here. I showed him all the old books, and he'd never even heard of 90% of all the stuff I'd been taught. So it goes.
Thanks for taking the time to reply to my video.
Where in CA are you based?
We both know.... Anyone can paint
But having the skills that are above just 'normal' painting set you above the masses ;)
It's a shame more don't learn the trade properly via college and apprenticeship.
Now It's all learning from 30sec tiktoc clips.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I'm in the San Francisco East Bay. It's so different from back in the UK. Everything is sheetrock with some kind of "broken plaster" finish, everything is tape-and-spray, if you describe a six-panel door or a sliding sash window people think you must be related to Charles Dickens! Wallpaper? Nope! When I think of the work I'd put into getting walls and ceilings into perfect nick, lining or cross-lining, checking with a lateral worklight for any imperfections, then I look at "normal" walls here - makes me weep! The plasterer's equivalent of woodchip, all over everything.
Every now and then I get all the brushes out, just to make sure they're still in good nick. Stipplers, softeners, draggers, sword liner, riggers, fitches, a set of wide skinny artists brushes (12" wide, the biggest) I bought for the biggest dragging job I ever did for a socialite's dining room walls (base colour was a dark green, like British Racing Green, eggshell, the scumble was a couple of tones lighter - looked fabulous). Feathers, oak-roller (was what I called it!), the rubber grainers, floggers, sponges, you know, all those lovely tools.
I had a few fancy tools for sticking, too. My favourite was a small cabinet-maker's offset-handle saw. I'd use it to put a cut, flush with the wall, behind a moulding on, say, each end of a window-sill. That way I could run the paper into the cut, straight down behind the moulding, rather than fiddle around trimming it around the details. I had a pasting machine, incredibly useful for getting the paste onto long drops almost instantly, so they'd soak evenly. I'd sometimes get huge jobs, like hotel stairwells or ballrooms where either the drop or the cross-lining would take more than a standard roll, so pasting up was a drama. Never mind setting up a scaffold that would let you hang it!
Best paint memory wasn't a broken colour job. It was painting a brand new front door in black. I asked the owner if he'd be up for something special, a paint job like No 10's front door, and he was. It took me ten days to paint that door, but once we hung it and fitted all the brassware, I gave him a shaving kit to go with it, as you could definitely see your reflection well enough to shave!
Keep up the good work. We don't want to go the same was as trug makers!
Thanks bring back the good old days , cheers
Yes l remember them and miss them training an apprentice all my boys keep in contact with me and make me proud of them tradesman now
Thanks for this video
Takes me back to great times and great old boy teachers
Thank you Phil, I think Lawrence Llewellyn Bowen, Tommy Walsh and co helped make the effects popular in 'Changing Rooms' in the 90s too, great resources to have when its called upon.
I still would rather colour wash walls, as when you look at some of the wallpapers that are out there that look like you've just painted a wall. lol
I remember buying 2 sable bushes for collage, cost £19 & I was only on £30 a week, still not got over it!!!! Use to keep them in a plastic pipe with a Cork in the end & vaseline on the bristle. Aww the good old days....
I still have my brushes in a plastic pipe all my lining brushes and they are still ok lm 73yrs my son is going to local college for sign and special effects painting
Great video Phill takes me back, shame the trade is losing some of these traditional crafts, I still have my parrys graining and marbling book from when I was at college in the 70s ,it was the bible of graining at the time , we used to get all our graining tools from a company called wrights of Lymm ,happy days lol
Yes. That's where we got brushes from too. I think they're still around... Or in some form.
A name from the past. You've reminded me of. Tnx
If it’s all the same with you I’ll stick with my t5
@@davidsmalley8783 to marble and grain with? lol
Video nostalgia. I did my City and Guilds 1984-88 (passed with a distinction) Always hated stippling a lot of time and effort for very little visual effect. Shading walls with scumbling absolute nightmare. I loved doing gold leaf although the tip and cushion method tested your patience and ability to hold your breath. Graining and marbling is an art. I recall the Badger hair softener being the most expensive brush ever from Wright's and Lym. I wonder if Phil can do a video on turning a ceiling over or how to make distemper 😀
Done all that worked in the licensed trade pubs,still see a lot of the old stuff in pubs.lincrusta, anaglypta,all scumbled.
That's the only 2nd box I have seen in 30 years
When I see some of these ,where they go back the following day,to tone it down,we had to be in and out in morning if was a bar front done with manders ,or ratcliffs oil,the on of the other trades would smudge it
did you use any water based glazes?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator no only at the last knockings bloody good idea though for drying times the times ours got damaged before we even finished when it was oil, only ever seen methspirit based scumble used once by a bloke we called old clearly you can imagine how fast that would dry,did use terrabine dryers.
Forgot to say never had time to get used to water based scumble but the blokes who did used to put a drop of glycerine with it to keep the opening time alive.
Excellent stuff I beat you a lot of painters down here wouldn’t have a clue on wht or how to use them various kind of brushes a lot of them pick up a brush and hay I’m a painter
and they have TicTok 15sec vids to see how the others do it too.
Like this new way of going over your cutting in with a small roller then rolling the main walls! If they knew how to cut in, feather out and then roll close, they'd save a lot of time.... and not have wet edges drying off on them.
you must have had to charge a lot more using oil based scumble and varnishes with it etc back in the day Phil
Oh the days of waiting for scumble to dry before you could do the next stage lol.
Trompe loel or however you spell it
that's real artist work.
Lily is hog hair not horse its a check roller also...
I know about the check roller. I still say tick. As it puts tick marks on the surface.
Who's lily?
;)
Just about to spray 19 doors and spindles you can’t do that with a feather or a comb
That you can't. LoL