While I 100% agree with you that they deserve life in prison, I’m guessing the prosecution didn’t go for attempted murder because they couldn’t prove mens rea (criminal intent) to actually unalive the children. As messed up and evil as these women are, in their twisted/disgusting minds, they were trying to “save” the children and not unalive them (even though any sane person would know that would be the obvious outcome) It really sucks when morality and legality aren’t aligned 😞
@@DianaLynnZz yeah, i have a JD and that has crossed my mind. but like, the parts where she says "i will fight until the day that YOU die" (not a typical parent's promise which would be "until the day I die") or whatever - i guess she could have been talking about the "demon" or whatever, but to me, it is just too ambiguous. but yeah, you're probably right. they probably figure better to for sure get them on the abuse charges than go to trial where there's a chance the jury doesn't buy it and they go free.
She says so many times these children are weak minded. These are the strongest kids I've ever heard of. I don't know how they even begin to heal from this but I hope they have all the help and love they need
Even through the worst of it they were fighting back. E even called her mother abusive and made it clear that she knew damn well that this wasn't okay or her fault. And R kept running away until he got them help. Such strong fucking kids. I can't even imagine what this has done to them
She doesn't realize that this journal not only incriminates her, but makes her kids even more of heroes because she outlines how badass they were for standing up to her on several occassions. Like R was a complete badass the whole time. "I'd rather have a glass of water than you as my mother" good boy.
The kids were losing control of their bowels and bladders because their organs were beginning to shut down. They maybe had a week left to live in those conditions. I can’t believe these monsters weren’t charged with torture and attempted murder.
@@annieonpaperBecause they were conditions she was actively causing or worsening, and that was a reality she and her mental pathology were unable to face.
I don’t even know where a therapist starts with these poor children to help them. But all of Ruby and Jodi’s $ should go to these children and all the therapy they will need the rest of their lives!
"maybe a week" is an assumption. Those first journal entries was more than a week before the kids were found. While I agree that they are monsters and deserve to rot, creating lies based on your own assumptions based on what you're able to see online doesn't help anyone and takes away from the actual story. Fairly confident you weren't there, you didn't examine those children, I'd even venture as far as to say you're not a doctor. You're probably not qualified to determine that they were within a week of their life.
It blows my mind that Ruby never recognizes that her son might be soiling himself as a direct response to trauma (conscious or unconscious), stress, physical abuse, CSA etc. Instead of looking what could be the root cause she only considers defiance. I pray for these children, their healing and that they never see her again.
There were stacks of diapers filmed in that desert fortress, I think they were used because the children were unable to go to the bathroom as they were forced to stand for hours in one place and tied up. Plus secondly as detailed in the journal used to see how much fluid the children had managed to find. It's beyond cruel. Just sickening. Ruby thinks she's superior and a religious hero, no matter what she pretends in order to get out of prison early.
All what was said above and sometimes kids who are abused or neglected use it as a form of having or showing control. Smearing it or releasing it at certain points, because at the end of the day the one thing that can be in your control (I mean, sometimes it just isn't with traumatized people) are your bodily functions.
@@sleepykitty1745 I agree with you. It is very upsetting that someone would willfully traumatize a helpless child. All the adults in those kids lives failed them.
@@flowerjpotter1629 Those women are evil IMO. The children's Dad and the extended family also must shoulder some of the blame for not stepping in. I'm horrified and disgusted every time I think about this case. I didn't watch their YT channel and I'm shocked that the authorities didn't step in much earlier.
I still can't get over how Ruby got her hair done before she went in front of the judge. This AFTER SHEVSHAVED HER DAUGHTERS HEAD. I wish they would shave Ruby's head
Oh how I like you! I KEEP saying this. Boy I hope no ladies who genuinely loved and missed their kids get hold of her and give her a free salon treatment, because that would be JUST....awful.
Her family was there and apparently her lawyer La Mar and his wife are Mormons and got her hair done for the arraignment! He was very nice to them according to Julie in her phone conversation!
The more that we find out, the more angry I get that these kids did not get justice. Ruby and Jodi should be in jail for life, no parole. Monsters to the highest degree.
Good God who do we need to write to, to plead for her to be away for life?! I look at my own children and my heart aches! How could a “ mother” do this to her children?! This is just heart wrenching. 😢
They were not sentenced to jail and there is NO such thing as being sentenced to jail for life. The longest anyone can be sentenced to jail for is one year. This was a case by the state not the county.
I cannot believe that these journals exist. I’m horrified but also thankful that Ruby was delusional enough to keep a record of her abuse. The fact that this isn’t a story, it’s a real life account of how Ruby abused and tortured her children, is bone chilling. Ruby is the Devil, she is the demon that she claims to have seen in her child’s eyes. She is the pain and the torment that they endured. She is their worst nightmare and she is the reason for all the trauma they will have to work through as they grow. Ruby deserves life in prison. She does not belong in the free world, because this is what she does with freedom.. she makes others (her own children) her prisoner, and that’s unforgivable. “Do you know that I love you?” What an absolute mind f!ck
I could not have put it better myself you encapsulated everything perfectly. This woman is horrifying and those poor children I just pray that they will end up okay
It’s like when the perp revisits the crime scene over and over again. In Ruby’s case as a sadist, she loved the page by page revisiting of the self inflicted trauma on her own children
This is exactly why we need to end "carve-outs" for "religious belief" in the DSM if the behavior would be called "paranoid schizophrenia" in the absence of the religion. Believe what you like, but you don't get to treat minors like this because of your beliefs and if your beliefs are like this maybe you should not be left alone in charge of them.
She honestly believes that the devil entered R’s body BEFORE he was born on Earth. Mormon’s have some very strange beliefs I can’t explain. Ruby seriously believes she’s been sent by God to defeat the devil. Sick! Crazy sick.
The fact that Ruby describes her two youngest children as being possessed by the devil and evil and all that other shit is fucking ironic considering the only evil one is her.
Right, Kevin said when Jodi got “possessed” he would go in and say blessings over her because he was the “resident exorcist”. (Which is completely insane all of its own) But The kids supposidly get “possessed” and they torture them by working in the sun barefoot, without food or water, and poking them with cactuses or whatever it was. Didn’t hear about anyone poking Jodi with cactuses or a cactus poker while she is slaving out in the sun. She seemed to be well fed and perfectly hydrated. All these people were crazy, sadistic, nut jobs who enjoyed torturing those kids. They should never get out of prison and the father should be there with them. The only evil people in this situation was them.
Exactly! The hypocrisy in almost everything she says.. Expecting others not to sin while she simultaneously does all of these things to her children. If god is speaking to you, has he forgot to let you know that all of this abuse is most definitely a sin? She IS the devil and her kids are finally free of the devil now. Ugh I hate her.
The fact that her kids told her to Eff off and had the willpower to fight back in even the smallest ways when she was putting them through literal hell, is a testament to how brave they are. I hope those kids grow up to be healthy, well adjusted adults who never have to speak to or see her ever again if they don’t want to.
I think honestly him saying to her he worships the D, was him just wanting it to end for her to just end him so he didn’t have to be tortured anymore. It’s so sad 😢
A woman who cant bare children will kill her in prison.. putting cayenne pepper and honey on open wounds & wrapping them in duct tape? It took professionals hours to get her out of a closet.. after choosing to throw herself into a cactus.. the amount of brainwash. It makes my skin crawl. The justice system is awful!
RF is a hero. His 12 yr old bravery, to save himself and his sister deserves a medal of honour. I truly thought Ruby had some redeeming qualities.. ABSOLUTELY NOT. This sounds like Jodie only helped her live out her sick fantasies.
He escaped multiples times, and each time, they caught him, which is why they started tying him up. The fact that he didn't give up, no matter the consequences, makes him incredibly brave. Had he not kept trying, those women absolutely would've ended up killing those children because they were in the process of looking for a property in Arizona to buy that didn't have any neighbors around so that the kids would be completely isolated.
@@mareelovely He was going to be punished whether he obeyed or not. He couldn’t win with those two women, so he might as well have tried getting his freedom. Thank goodness he succeeded.
As a grand mother, there’s no way I would go for days without seeing my grand babies, Rubys family claim that they tried to intervene, but I don’t think they tried hard enough. They were ALL too busy making TH-cam videos. 🤬🤬🤬🤬
The cops couldn't legally go inside after multiple wellness check calls. Ruby was smart about it. Now with body cams, cops can't lie and say, I thought I heard someone ask for help.
@@literallylondonn CPS needs to be shut down, and someone else more competent start the business of protecting children! Class action law suit against them is way overdue!
They want to say Jody is worse for "putting these ideas into her mind." No. This woman enjoyed torturing her children and all of this is HER torturing them... She was the one who was supposed to have a mothers heart. She is just MENTAL.
I agree Ruby is in complete denial if she thinks that Jodi was responsible for making her think & act this way! Ruby for years displayed her constant contempt & complete hatred towards her children through her ridiculous TH-cam channel. Listening to her calls from prison highlights this still. It is absolutely spine chilling & beyond belief that these two women aren’t serving life ! The justice system has failed these children 😢words cannot express how much my heart breaks for them.
Exactly. Jodi didn’t find some innocent mother and corrupt her against her kids. She found a *kindred spirit* who was just as messed up as she was and they both got together to have field day torturing those kids. One is just as culpable as the other.
My mom is bipolar with episodes of psychosis. She has been psychiatricall hospitalized many times. She always had problems, but it got worse as she got older. There are 6 of us kids, my older siblings had moved out when it got super bad so I was the oldest in the house there's an age gap then I have 3 younger brothers. Let me just say, we were like frogs in a boiling pot, we all made excuses for her delusions and it's much clearer looking back than it was in the thick of it so I do feel for the older sisters who were also in the home. That being said, I do wonder what they even knew or what she was telling them because even with that fog, I physically fought and restrained my mother from hurting my brothers. I was 14 the first time I really realized that something was seriously wrong with her, she cried and apologized and I covered for her, but it never got better. She said very similar things to what Ruby was saying about demons and such. Finally it culminated in her attacking me in the middle of the night thinking I was possessed. Thankfully I was 17 and able to fight back, but I will never forget the empty look in her eyes as she started screeching like Smeagol that I was going to kill her because I had restrained her.
So sorry that you had to deal with this. It's so sad that no one helped you guys and you as the kids had to go through this 😢 I'm glad that you survived. My one sister had a psychotic episode once. It was so scary and overwhelming.. hard to understand how she completely lost touch with reality 😢 I was a grown-up and it completely floored me... I didn't know what to do... at least we could get her to a hospital to get help. I can't even imagine how scary it must be for a kid who has no way out...
What's even sadder is that Russell wasn't looking for help. He was looking to go to jail/prison. He was asking that neighbor to take him to jail just as he attempted to runaway and take himself to jail. That poor boy was lucky enough to wander to a home with people who LOVED a stranger. People who loved a hurt child. They fed the needy and stayed with him. Yes, his actions saved him and Eve. I have no doubt! Running away, for whatever reason, was a brave move. I simply find it terrible what saved his and Eve's lives was thoughts he needed to be in jail.
@@janinap4892The fact that Russell blamed himself and thought he should be taken to prison shows how these evil women had worn him down and brainwashed him into believing he was bad!
@@flamelily2086 Yeah, that is really sad and it needs so much manipulation to get somebody, let alone one's own child, to think that. I truly thought he was trying to get help and her mom and Jodi to the police.
This is exactly why I am sooooo worried about the children knowing ruby can get out in 3 years. She wasn’t charged with attempted murder, she was charged with abuse and likely could fight for some type of visitation right after she gets out. I don’t think the courts would give it to her but I can see Russel blaming himself and because he blames himself he will be extremely vulnerable for the next few years while he builds a new support system and gets therapy.
@@janinap4892 his lack of responses to the EMTs/paramedics shows he wasn't looking to get anyone, other than himself, in trouble. The only question he openly answered was to the lady providing him food and water regarding Eve being in the home. As others have said, the poor kid was horribly manipulated and believed he was filled with and even possibly a demon itself.
E used to use her hair as a self comfort by twisting it in her fingers and fiddling with it. Thats the distraction that monster was referencing when she shaved her head. Taking away her self soothing
I made the mistake of looking at the photos of that poor child's wounds, scars, and his emaciated little legs and something in me broke. I can't understand how he even managed to walk, let alone doing hard physical labor. The fact that Jody insisted that he had willfully caused those wounds himself just to defy her makes my blood boil. Those photos and this journal have brought me to a level of anger I never thought possible. I've always been excessively compassionate and forgiving and have never felt the desire to see another human being experiencing horrendous pain and suffering... until right now. I can't claim that I would be prepared to actually dish it out to those two women, but let's just say that I wouldn't cross the street to stop other people from doing so.
His joints are pretty much bigger than the limbs above and below them. And he's so courteous and humble and polite to that man when he rings the bell. Heartbreaking. I hope both those women get EXACTLY as they have given others.
The crazy this is EVERYONE in that family saw it, knew it & didn’t do a thing for these kids. And the state of Utah failed them. The amount of calls made to their home is crazy that they didn’t find anything wrong. Kevin, Ruby & Jodi should be in jail. And those children do not deserve to be in a family where they weren’t protected in the first place. This is why children should not be on the internet 👏🏼👏🏼
Had Ruby Franke gotten charged, convicted, and sentenced in non predominant Mormon state and city, she definitely would’ve been convicted of attempted murder.
I wish I could agree, but unfortunately they probably wouldn't have been: they never actually implied, claimed or wrote that their ultimate plan was to murder the children, and there needs to be premeditation in order to charge with murder or attempted murder.
Whenever she says the children are "manipulative" or "liars" she is referring to the kids actually giving the responses she wanted so she could continue the abuse anyway.
The moment that gets me (besides so many other things about this horrible situation) was when I saw the video of this sweet emaciated and bruised little boy, walking up to the doorbell camera of the man who called 911, the way that he asked for help was the most polite and sweet way to ask for help! Just the way he asked this stranger for water and to call the cops, it made me cry.
These children fought to LIVE . That boy was so brave to break out & get help. Even the little girl told her mom that she was awful. When she said that OTHER adults couldn't see the demons in her children, that was her way of saying I DON'T CARE WHO SAYS I'M WRONG...
He KNEW he was Going to Die in Arizona. Kevin & Ruby talked about Chad not having a bed when he was 12 and sleeping 7 months on a bean bag. They made a video JODI was the professional who told them to do it. Then JODI is the person who told them to send Chad to the Arizona dessert 12week therapy in the desert. THINK WHAT HE WENT THROUGH. Then Jodi wanted to get Ruby and they open THEIR OWN CAMP and would have unlimited access to ANY LDS CHILD. All of this is EVERYTHING Jodi did to her Niece in the early 2000's. If you watch Mormon stories podcast interview her they did EVERY SINGLE BIT OF THIS. Jodi has been doing this since the late 90's!!!! The hair cutting, tape over mouth, sleeping outside, no clothes. KEVIN KNEW RUBY WAS DOCUMENTING ALL THIS. This is recommended by the church "to show where God works in your life". The REAL DETAILED VERSION is still missing. He thought his daughter Sheri took them. That's why he wanted to press charges. I bet 100000000% he knew every bit of what was going on. He didn't contact his kids because they were away being retrained EXACTLY LIKE CHAD WAS IN THE DESERT. Why Arizona? Why Lori Vallow in Arizona? BECAUSE THIS IS ALL BASED ON LDS CORE VALUES. They believe Mormons are God's chosen people and that Utah/Arizona is the REAL Israel.its insanity.
The wild part is that he wasn’t trying to escape, he was trying to get the neighbors to take him to jail because they were threatened that was the next step in atoning for his “sins”. That’s why he said it’s a “personal matter” and he needed 2 favors. He wanted to go ahead and atone for his “evil”
I can't. I have to stop watching. This brings me nightmares. It is middle of the night right now and i went to my 9 year old and hugged him. R is precious, he is a superhero. I would love to donate for his therapy. I hope so much he finds love in his life. Pure,unconditional love.
This is sadistic. I've heard stories over the years of women murdering their children to "save them" and speaking of demons, and you can clearly see they were having a psychotic break when they went over the edge. Ruby was cold, calculating, manipulative, and relentless. She knew exactly what tf she was doing, and she enjoyed it. It is pure evil.
They don’t have to be having a mental break to do these things. They can be narcissists, sadists, and lots of other types. They’d have happily tortured these kids years sooner if the conditions would have allow them to do it secretly. They ramped up the abuse after the dad obeyed their commands for him to leave, so he’s also complicit. He didn’t protect any of them, which is his #1 job in life, no excuses. Narcissists and sadists are always looking for opportunities to abuse, they get the most gratification from hurting others overtly.
When Ruby writes about J, she is talking about her daughter Julie. On one of the many audios released, she says that she had left Jodi’s house with Julie early the morning of R’s escape to take Julie to a dentist appointment.
@@DonnaLena1 both e and r were abused not just r downplaying the abuse e went through which is literally the same thing as r by saying r got the brunt of it is gross there are pictures of e’s injuries, she was physically, emotionally, psychologically and mentally abused too again they both got the brunt of it they both were abused in the same way
Horrific!!! Thank you so much for fighting for these poor children. I watched a TH-cam yesterday where a person talked about Ruby being in prison. She said that many people in prison are victims of parental abuse. Ruby is going to have a hard time as most prisoners are also well aware of what she has done and are triggered. They do see the news and talk to friends and family. Fingers crossed that she gets her head shaved.
I keep thinking about the call between Ruby and her sister, and how the sister asked "is this triggering me asking you about the day you got arrested?" Like shut the f*** up man, what about the triggers that the kids are going to have for the rest of their life?
right...so gross. They are all making it about themselves when it has nothing to do with them at all. Those kids have no one to advocate for them. I don't understand it. Breaks my heart!
@@Gohappygirl It was the jail house phone conversation between Julie and Ruby. Julie was at the first hearing with Ruby's parents. Julie totally rubs me the wrong way. She talks and reminds me of Ruby so much. I don't see any compassion in Julie, for E and R.
Her entire family is like this. Everything is about Ruby. How traumatic the noises in prison are. The hardest part of all this is having people believe wrong things about her, etc. No Ruby the hardest part is the horror your children had to go through you sick F..k.
I know, they have to prove intent. That's maybe the only things her journals help her with, she never said she wanted to K!ll them. Hopefully, she will get more than 4 years.....
That’s why they both took a plea deal. The judge never saw those journals… but then again that state is seriously crooked. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are out in 7 years, because the Mormon parole board says they are reformed.
I watch a really good lawyer and he said they would have had to prove intent and it wouldn’t have been a slam dunk like the felony abuse charges were… though he could see how a DA could get there, if they wanted to charge her. However it would be up to a jury- and the rules for convicting someone guilty of something aren’t based off of what seems obvious to us on the outside. (I think she 100% would have killed them both if R didn’t escape and save them.) In trials you have to follow the rules of evidence, which are tricky, so they wouldn’t even know everything we do. I bet the previous ‘no lunch, no bed’ stuff would be prejudicial since it’s a prior act and not directly related them being tortured at Jodi’s, and not even allowed in. The jury would have no idea. She could have gotten away with it. But felony child abuse… she got the max charges. If the parole board has any sense and does their jobs, they’ll keep her in there for the max!!
It outrages me and also makes me feel so proud of these kids for being honest and sticking up for themselves the best the could at the time. They will have to deal with this for the rest of their lives. I’m 38 and still struggle with abuse I went through as a kid. I hope this woman is getting what she truly deserves.
The part where Ruby tells R to tell his demon “I will fight him until the day YOU die” is absolutely chilling. They fully intended to kill this kids in AZ. The kids have been irreparably harmed. I just hope they can be adopted by a super loving family to cherish them. All of the kids need new families far away from Utah. Kevin better not get custody either after everything we’ve found out about.
I disagree. With everything they’ve been through, ripping them away from everyone and everything that they know and are familiar with would traumatize them further. Hopefully there is a family member who they know and trust that can help them through this
I truly don’t get why Kevin got away with no sort of consequences. He was fully aware of what she was doing prior to him leaving and the fact he never followed up to make sure they’re ok is baffling.
What makes my blood boil is she will not even regret it. No matter the suffering and punishment she goes through, in her mind she was right and just and we’re the mad ones. She will be praying for God to forgive us
The fact they were only charged with child abuse, and were allowed to take a plea deal when THIS is the evidence they had…. Is an absolute miscarriage of Justice. This is torture, holding someone against their will, child abuse can mean so many things this was not just “abuse” I’m literally sick that they got off so light on their charges
The prosecutor said that even if they’d been charged with 100 counts of 2nd degree felony child abuse (which is the highest level of child abuse 🙄) and they were found guilty of all counts, the max they could serve under Utah law is 30 years. Absolutely DISGUSTING. Utah as a state is a nightmare.
Taking it to trial would impose an enormous burden on the children, impede their therapy, hold them in the moment, the terror of testifying against your parent....its horrible, it puts a dreadful burden on them and actively messes with therapy, as well as adding uncertainty. If I were any of those kids I'd not say a word until I knew they were locked up with no chance of acquittal. We can't put that on the kids, it would be the ultimate torture and what would it serve? These vile women lost all the things that matter to them - power, money, status - and authorities always take the kinder route for this very reason; better to lose two years off a potential sentence of those are two years in which the kids are healing and can speak without any legal implications. It's much more cruel of us to demand a trial, altho I really do understand it. I'm just satisfying myself with the thought that they're exposed and within their milieu that is far, far worse than any prison. And that will be a life sentence, hopefully as they're eking out an existence under a bridge somewhere in ten years time...
@@randomhumanoidblob4506 but that’s only if the testimony of the kids was needed for a conviction. Ruby wrote down and documented it herself. They would get a conviction without putting any of those kids on the stand.
@@LeftieLoosie Oh I one million percent agree. And I hope that every day of those 30 years is filled with the justice they deserve. Their fellow inmates are going to be watching all of these news stories…
At 42:36 when she talks about unhooking R from the bells and whistles, asking him to breathe and putting him in a slumber...i think she really did something to knock him out. She then wrote "IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE YOUR PATIENT (R) KEELS OVER." She knew she was going to kill him. That part reeeaaally scared me.
After he almost escaped, when he ran away, the first place she went was to "make sure he hadn't gotten" to Main Street...where the police station was! After they had him back at the house and sedated (the milk,) she wrote that "the devil wants me in prison, and my children dead." She knew that if she couldn't break those kids (gets the demons out) she would end up causing their deaths with all of her abuse and torture...and then she'd end up in prison. And apparently, this was all part of "the devil's" plan. 😕🙄
This is sooooo similar to what Jessi went through 14 years ago. Jodi inflicted similar abuse; running up hills in the desert, sleeping on the deck, telling her she’s being manipulative etc etc. Ruby might’ve been inflicting the t*****e physically, but Jodi is the monster behind it all. Also, These kids are soooo smart!! SO resilient!
It could also be that E was “wailing” and tantruming for Ruby and not Jodi because some part of E still thought her mommy could hear her or might love her and might see her pain where as she knew Jodi didn’t care. Sadly, she was wrong, but it really could have been the dying embers of Ruby’s own baby who was begging her mom for help through a closed door.
That’s what I thought. She was crying for help from her mother. The person she knew was supposed to be protecting her and her only hope in that situation. She was hoping her mother would help her. That is heartbreaking. I can’t imagine hearing my child call out for help and not ripping down the door to get to them and I can’t even fathom a mom being responsible for it.
@@Justme_1221 one of the reasons why I hope Ruby does the whole 30 years is because I know fine she won't leave her kids alone. Even as adults they will be pressured by that society to forgive her. And there is no way after reading this that I think they should. I know it's up to them but hell no. Hell no.
As much as I agree. What she did would he considered, "cruel and unusual punishment." It's absolutely sick they have all of this proof, and they may only serve 4 years (as of now. Unless something changes). The justice system is fucked.
We know from Jessie, Jodi’s niece, that she could not confess enough. Jodi was always convinced there was more unspeakable sin that needed to be confessed.
J is Julie …her older daughter who is named after her aunt. The mental and emotional torment those two older girls went through is never mentioned. Ruby would have brainwashed them to thinking this was ok or put the fear of God into them so they never told anyone.
Love how you’re addressing Ruby specifically. Wouldn’t we all like to confront those 2 face-to-face. They better get the max 30 years but I’m thinking there may be more charges/lawsuits that keep them in prison longer. One can only hope.
Plea deal. Unfortunately they were highly aware that they would’ve gotten life if evidence was shown in court…. However someone said the evidence WILL be presented to the parole board. Which I hope and pray is true
R was a perfect example of what is meant by "turn the other cheek" in the Bible. To turn the other cheek meant if a Roman solider hits one side, offer the other in defiance/strength. Good for him, strong boy
Actually, Jesus didn't mean to offer the other cheek as a form of defiance, but actually in submission, as violence has no place in His world as it only begets more violence, just as He said if someone were to steal your overcoat, instead of punishing them, offer him the shirt off your back also, and if someone were to steal 30 coins of silver, offer him another 30 more. "Turning the other cheek" and offering it to also be slapped is the polar opposite of defiance, but is in actual fact submission to your oppressor, as to react in a similar manner to the oppressor is quite possibly the easiest way out and path of least resistance. Where as it requires far, far more integrity and moral fortitude to be able resist the temptation of hurting those who hurt you in return and is possibly one of the most difficult things you can do. Just like how I want to hurt the Roman soldiers who mercilessly beat Jesus Christ, where as Jesus wouldn't hear of it even though he knew he would die at their own hands. ❤❤❤
@truthhurts2879 that is not what that teaching meant. It was malicious compliance. Make them look bad for attacking the vulnerable. Make them be victims of their own actions for everyone to see.
She complained in that journal that R pooped his pants and said it was diarrhea. Yet she withheld water from him. Dehydration is the biggest cause of diarrhea. So she caused him to have the diarrhea - then blamed him for it and identified the occurrence as proof he had a demon. He had a demon alright. And it’s name was Ruby. I agree with you she is a psychopath. But she also suffers from a terminal case of stupidity.
This is so painful to hear. As a mother it makes me cry. Im an RN and he eas losin bowel and bladder control because of the abuse, completely dehydrated and on the verge of no return.... It is blasphemy to abuse children in the nsme of God. Its disgusting that they would use God as a way to mentally and physically torture children in this way. The road to physical recovery for them will be so much faster than the mental abuse they endured. But this shows how strong they really were 😔 They shouldve gotten life. I cannot believe they ready this diary and didnt charge for attempted murder. The state government failed these children and all of her children. The sentence is a slap in the face.
Might wanna read the Bible that she believed in. You might be surprised what is says about “correcting” your children and what to do to them if they are rebellious.
I agree with a psychologist online who said it seems she was keeping a journal to use as a book or for teaching other parents. I think every parent/grandparent in this cult should get a serious visit from authorities to check on all kids involved.
Agree! There should be an investigation into the Mormon church as a result of this! Much like the scandals that were uncovered by the priests who were molesting young boys in the Catholic Church!
This is a MORMON CULT TENNANT. QUOTE "How else can you SEE where God works in your life, or when Satan strikes at your weakest moments" If you listen to Kevin's AUDIO only 2nd interview he says - Ruby was keeping 2 sets. 1 detailed (still missing) & one third person scaled down THAT WILL BECOME SCRIPTURE when Jesus returns for his 140,000 chosen & will be read on Judgement day to others BY JESUS. She & Jodi thought THE SAME THING AS LORI VALLOW. They thought they were FEMALE PROPHETS doing God's work ministering to families and casting out deamons of BYU & LDS parishioners.
There is NO Scripture because Ruby 100% is trusting EVERYTHING Jodi is saying. She already abused her kids and now she found someone who gave her the greenlight "from God" to take it up a knotch. This is 100% the same as Lori Daybell. Once you understand the core beliefs of Mormonism its SO CLEAR. They believe God has millions of souls waiting in line and they have unlimited kids to give them chances to fulfill their destiny on Earth. The more kids they have the higher your spot in heaven. The Dad can even earn his own heaven over a different solar system. She was willing to kill her children to allow his soul (Russell the one God sent to her) to go back to heaven, and to force the deamon out. They talked about Chad not having a bed when he was 12 and sleeping 7 months on a bean bag. They made a video JODI was the professional who told them to do it. Then JODI is the person who told them to send Chad to the Arizona dessert 12week therapy in the desert. THINK WHAT HE WENT THROUGH. Then Jodi wanted to get Ruby and they open THEIR OWN CAMP and do this to all their customers kids. They were given the green light by BYU & THE LDS "Prophets". That little boy fled cause he KNEW he was gonna die if not. All of this is EVERYTHING Jodi did to her Niece in the early 2000's. If you watch Mormon stories podcast interview her they did EVERY SINGLE BIT OF THIS. Jodi has been doing this since the late 90's!!!! The hair cutting, tape over mouth, sleeping outside, no clothes. KEVIN KNEW RUBY WAS DOCUMENTING ALL THIS. The REAL DETAILED VERSION is still missing. He thought his daughter Sheri took them. That's why he wanted to press charges. I bet 100000000% he knew every bit of what was going on. He didn't contact his kids because they were away being retrained EXACTLY LIKE CHAD WAS IN THE DESERT. Why Arizona? Why Lori Vallow in Arizona? BECAUSE THIS IS ALL BASED ON LDS CORE VALUES. They believe Mormons are God's chosen people and that Utah/Arizona is the REAL Israel.its insanity.
This wasn’t brought up in court because there was no trial. They pled guilty with stipulated agreements. The prosecutors offered the plea agreements and the defense attorneys, Im sure, looked at the evidence including this journal and told their clients to take the plea agreement because they were screwed. The parole board will get access to all evidence.
“They need a cactus to run into” they need love and food and WATER and friends and fun and affection and treats and real good humans to care for them. God this is heavy stuff. I cannot comprehend this.
I had a small scrap on my ankle from a little cactus slipping into my sock. Throwing a kid into a cactus is just sick!! Kids cant let their bowels and bladder go when they're terrified.
The fact that they stress this kids past a breaking point, starve them and then humiliate them when they poop and pee their pants - which by the way is a sign of trauma, this is very common in kids who suffer from abuse - I’m shaking mad these kids had to survive this - they should have never had to have a mother who was so evil
These kids would have been dead in a matter of weeks at MOST. What’s getting to me is all the screaming and cruelty from her that she’s leaving out. She delighted in tricking those babies and I cannot imagine how scared they were. R was so incredibly brave and a hero
Eventually, children who are told that abuse IS love, they will believe it. This is absolutely terrifying. All of her kids will need therapy every week for years and years. 😢
“J” is her teenage daughter Julie. Not her sister Julie. Edit I think people forget there were 4 children there. The 2 teenage girls (who Pam botcher picked up to clean her house) and the 2 youngest. It doesn’t appear the older 2 girls were being as severely abused but they were still living in the house and I’m sure they had some awareness as to what was happening to their siblings
I can't understand many things in this case but how only two of the kids would have been so possessed and the others not? Maybe it's the fact they were the two youngest who couldn't do much to defend themselves. 🤷🏼♀️ Did they know about each other in the house? I saw somewhere that R said he hadn't seen E in a month (or that is how I remember it) so maybe they kept them separate.
@@janinap4892 A and J. Were 16 and 14. They have always been very obedient and docile children. It's how some survive in a family like that. They are older and know not to question Ruby or do anything that she deems demonic. The reason why they didn't say anything is likely because they were scared, brainwashed. They'd been in this cult since they were 10 and 11 years old.
@@Mania26 Well yeah, nothing really. But I meant that the smaller kids are easier targets as the teens could have fought some as they are bigger. That's more psychological to bully the smaller ones.
@@Mania26 ya I don’t believe the older 2 were being as severely abused because of the fact they were older and could fight back/had more opportunities to report to others. But they were still being heavily brainwashed psychologically abused by the 2 nut jobs. And were clearly being lent out as child labourers or perhaps more to others in the cult. In the phone call with her husband Ruby sounded shocked and afraid the police were able to find them at Pam’s. she was definitely worried about what they would disclose
Losing control of your bowels and bladder is end stage of dehydration and starvation as your body goes into ketoacidosis then shock then your organs shut down your kidneys fail and you die. I know from personal experience just this past November. I spendt a week in the hospital because i had to be refed very slowly so that my body could adjust to breaking food down again.
I did wonder if the police giving the girl so much pizza was a bad idea in her state. And that would probably explain why the boy had diarrhea...yet Ruby thought it was evidence that he was "stealing" water. Good lord. :(
@stopthemaddness100 You're absolutely correct about that. I would have more than likely given them food and water on impulse. How could I not? I have enough medical training and experience to totally know better, but it's unlikely their rescuers had a clue it was something they may need to worry about. I do hope I would have gotten my emotions under control and stopped short of giving her a pizza and a half. It's doubtful I would have been thinking straight if I were involved in that call. Perhaps the fact that they were given semi-healthy actual meals occasionally may have protected them from serious re-feeding syndrome. I don't know enough about it to say one way or another.
I watched their channel back then so I can tell you for a fact that Russell always stood up for doing the right thing. He ALWAYS was the one who was not afraid. He was the voice of reason for his parents. And his parents just ignored how smart he was. Like they did all their kids.
Horrific to hear but can we all just appreciate how hard it is for Josh to read this and still keep composure so we can all hear the true extent of what these poor children went through. God bless you Josh for all you do. Xx
What are you guys talking about she get up to 60 years we don't know her time yet. Why make statements that it has to do with the church this and that. If she get 60 years that's her life. But we don't know yet.
Wow is all I can say. This hurts my heart, poor kids. But also, her handwriting! It changes so much, you can almost tell what state of mind she is in as it changes….
Julie is one of the older daughters, not just Ruby's sister! Abby and Julie are the middle children. It sounded as though they were definitely planning to leave since they were picking boxes and she said Abby put in a two weeks notice at her job there at the end. A few more days and they might have disappeared forever!
it breaks my heart to hear this because it brings back so many memories. a ton of parallels and similarities to my religiously and physically abusive childhood.
13:35 “I will fight him (demon) until the day you die.” It’s telling how Ruby didn’t say until the day she herself died, but until the day HE died. If a stranger had done this to children, it would have been attempted murder & life in prison, but because it’s their Mother that tortured them (which, IMO is much more evil), she’ll be out in a few years (my guess is 3-4 years). It should be life!
As someone who grew up in the same church that Ruby (and I think Jodi too) follows, a lot of the language that she uses is very familiar to me, especially when she talks about doing things out of love. The amount of times I was told by the adults around me that they did something -that looking back was abuse- "out of love" is honestly disturbing. All the things she says about her kids being "evil", "possessed", and "of the devil" are things things that I grew up hearing about myself and other children. In my experience, parents in the LDS church like to use fear to control their kids, and will say things like "You're evil, you need help", "God sees everything and if you don't behave He'll see it", etc. to get them to listen through fear. Also, I've seen so many parents who force their kids to "fast" as a way to repent from their sins. This behavior is not limited to Ruby, it's everywhere. I apologize if I rambled a bit, I just wanted to share my thoughts and experiences. I hope these children get the help they need and are able to heal from the massive amounts of trauma they must have. And, lastly, I know not every Mormon is like this, there are good and bad people in every religion, this is just my experience.
When you said the kids were fighting back when they were on phone calls. I cried. And hearing her write that Satan wants her kids dead. They were so close to death. I am sick.
You are both correct but it's likely a combination of things. There may be purely physical reasons for loss of continence, but this is also an extremely common trauma response in children. Sometimes it's due to regression or going backwards developmentally due to stress, sometimes it's literally the only thing they can control and it's in defiance. Super common in both sexual and physical abuse cases because it discourages the abuser from touching them and requires cleaning which might be the only access to water, alleviate pain or be the only caring touch they receive. It's really situational as to the purpose of the behavior and if it's voluntary or uncontrollable, but it's extremely common in all cases of abuse.
Sending love to anyone who’s experienced abuse and is having a hard time with these details. Josh, your work is so so important and your voice is so needed given your experiences as well. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤bless you all
My mom was skitzo, she would make me army crawl under the bed to meet the “tall people” and she would sit in her closet, this triggers me so hard… rip mama.. she never hurt me, I couldn’t imagine what these kids went through
@@vintageincolor it wasn’t love, but I felt safe??? I knew she wouldn’t hurt me… I couldn’t imagine fearing your own parent in a way they would hurt you.. I hope this makes any type of sense. Thank you for caring 🥹
16:14 that’s hard to believe after hearing her jail call to Kevin, reminding him that adults aren’t going to buy that children can be evil, though she and Kevin know different, and she hopes he doesn’t forget that and how they’ve dealt with the problem in the past. (paraphrasing here). He’s just as involved with that as she was when he was home. Also, listening to his first interview (haven’t heard second yet), he seemed more concerned for his wife than anything. He can’t claim ignorance.
The sisters need to be cracked down. The fact that all this came out and we all know how much worse it is and the absolute horror these children endured and her sisters still are standing behind her!!?? Absolutely not! Everyone needs to be held accountable
Julie is one of Rubys kids It goes from oldest to youngest Shari, Chad, Abby, Julie, Russell and Eve Julie and Abby were the 2 found at Pam Bodchers home. She picked them up at Rubys request and took them to her home to “hide” them I assume. She had Julie and Abby at her home scrubbing floors and cleaning her house 🤬
@immaseahorse1348 she was clearly very involved in all of it. She may not have actively harmed the younger kids, but nothing can convince me that she wasn't fully aware of what was going on and completely approved of all of it.
I think both Julie the daughter and Julie Ruby's sister were there, because sometimes the text hide the name like it would do with a minor and sometimes not, when it's the sister.
Thank you for the video. I have never been more disgusted or angry in my life. Should never charged with attempted murder for sure. As a parent myself this is unfathomable and truly heartbreaking for those poor innocent babies.
Russel was so weak yet he never stopped fighting. He’s gonna have to work through all this abuse and trauma and I pray he comes out of this. His got a hard hard future ahead of him. All of them do.
Hard but better, without this garbage! I was raised abused religiously like this. ...had we known back than, but we know NOW. Id been gone before 14, 15 which is when i left.
I obviously wish this had never happened, but I’m glad that these kids have such a vivid record of it. Half of the challenge of recovery from abuse is wondering “was it really that bad, or am I exaggerating”. These kids can look at this journal and think, “yep, my mom thought I was a demon and tortured me accordingly”. Holy $hit.
@@stitchlightly5995she said they needed to... Meaning they should have. Also, the case isn't closed. It isn't closed until they are released and off parole if they're given parole.
@@tourettehero They didn't need to. They took a plea deal. Have you not been watching this case unfold. That Evidence would have been presented if it had gone to trial. The court was well aware of all of this Evidence. The parole board will also be given all of this evidence.
The church probably put a stop to upping the charges. The church has been behind Jody for years, she did the same type of punishments to her niece until she ran away and saved herself too. I’m so thankful R had the strength to leave and fight back. He saved them! He’s the hero!
Church should be held accountable for sticking up for these sick people. Even all the way back to when Jodi was abusing her niece and many more. The church is just as responsible for all of this as well. They knew and stayed silent. 🤢 😡
THIS! THIS! THIS! People do NOT understand the LDS church OWNS 4 states at this point. THEY HAVE THE SAME MONEY AS THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX & theirs is TAX FREE. Every Senator, Congressman, investigator, Police, Detective, DA, IN EVERY CRACK of Utah, Arizona, Idaho is 100% LDS CONTROLLED. Now Nevada, Wyoming & Montana is about half controlled. It's insanity. People ASSUME cause they use Jesus' name that they are the same as any Christian. There is a REASON L. RON HUBBARD based Scientology on Mormonism. They have a man named Jesus in their story because when they were founded they were avoiding being burned at the stake. THEY ARE FOUNDED ON OCCULTISM & 100% practice from their own written book. 99% of ALL Mormons have never READ a real Holy Bible. The LDS is fostering this insanity BECAUSE OF THEIR CORE TEACHINGS. LORI VALLOW was not a "one off". They believe they are the TRUE ISREALITES & Utah/Arizona is ISRAEL. 🫣
There is NO Scripture because Ruby 100% is trusting EVERYTHING Jodi is saying. She already abused her kids and now she found someone who gave her the greenlight "from God" to take it up a knotch. This is 100% the same as Lori Daybell. Once you understand the core beliefs of Mormonism its SO CLEAR. They believe God has millions of souls waiting in line and they have unlimited kids to give them chances to fulfill their destiny on Earth. The more kids they have the higher your spot in heaven. The Dad can even earn his own heaven over a different solar system. She was willing to kill her children to allow his soul (Russell the one God sent to her) to go back to heaven, and to force the deamon out. They talked about Chad not having a bed when he was 12 and sleeping 7 months on a bean bag. They made a video JODI was the professional who told them to do it. Then JODI is the person who told them to send Chad to the Arizona dessert 12week therapy in the desert. THINK WHAT HE WENT THROUGH. Then Jodi wanted to get Ruby and they open THEIR OWN CAMP and do this to all their customers kids. They were given the green light by BYU & THE LDS "Prophets". That little boy fled cause he KNEW he was gonna die if not. All of this is EVERYTHING Jodi did to her Niece in the early 2000's. If you watch Mormon stories podcast interview her they did EVERY SINGLE BIT OF THIS. Jodi has been doing this since the late 90's!!!! The hair cutting, tape over mouth, sleeping outside, no clothes. KEVIN KNEW RUBY WAS DOCUMENTING ALL THIS. This is recommended by the church "to show where God works in your life". The REAL DETAILED VERSION is still missing. He thought his daughter Sheri took them. That's why he wanted to press charges. I bet 100000000% he knew every bit of what was going on. He didn't contact his kids because they were away being retrained EXACTLY LIKE CHAD WAS IN THE DESERT. Why Arizona? Why Lori Vallow in Arizona? BECAUSE THIS IS ALL BASED ON LDS CORE VALUES.
The church doesn't think murder or abusing your kids is good. Get real people. We don't protect criminals. I don't care what she did enough to protect her. That's dumb rational.
I am 22 and a broke grad student in a one bedroom apartment, but I wish with all of my heart that I was in a better place because I would 100% take these kids in. I hope they don’t get placed with blood family, I hope someone who will actually love them the way that they SHOULD be loved. I know someone else will have the resources to take these kids in but damn, this is just heartbreaking beyond words. BEYOND WORDS. there’s nothing that can take this pain away from them now, but someone, somewhere, will try their damndest. And I thank God for those people.
this is attempted murder. the fact that neither is facing life in prison is a JOKE.
That's Utah for ya! I was actually surprised they weren't let out on bond.
THIS !!!
While I 100% agree with you that they deserve life in prison, I’m guessing the prosecution didn’t go for attempted murder because they couldn’t prove mens rea (criminal intent) to actually unalive the children. As messed up and evil as these women are, in their twisted/disgusting minds, they were trying to “save” the children and not unalive them (even though any sane person would know that would be the obvious outcome)
It really sucks when morality and legality aren’t aligned 😞
@@DianaLynnZz yeah, i have a JD and that has crossed my mind. but like, the parts where she says "i will fight until the day that YOU die" (not a typical parent's promise which would be "until the day I die") or whatever - i guess she could have been talking about the "demon" or whatever, but to me, it is just too ambiguous. but yeah, you're probably right. they probably figure better to for sure get them on the abuse charges than go to trial where there's a chance the jury doesn't buy it and they go free.
@@DianaLynnZz I guess that Shanda situation was slightly different because there wasn't that religious "i'm saving him" element.
If these women had done this to adults, the charges would not be "abuse". It would be kidnapping, assault, torture, attempted murder, etc..
So TRUE!!!!!!!
100%
VERY good point!! 😳💔 I didn't even think of that!!
YES!! I don't know why they weren't charged with False Imprisonment at the very least!!
YEP! Children are the MOST vulnerable in our society and the LEAST protected!! Especially in Bible belt, Mormon, and other religious areas!
She says so many times these children are weak minded. These are the strongest kids I've ever heard of. I don't know how they even begin to heal from this but I hope they have all the help and love they need
Even through the worst of it they were fighting back. E even called her mother abusive and made it clear that she knew damn well that this wasn't okay or her fault. And R kept running away until he got them help. Such strong fucking kids. I can't even imagine what this has done to them
Ruby pushed them to be independent by packing their own lunches and getting up and ready for school! They are doing what they were raised to be
AMEN!!
She doesn't realize that this journal not only incriminates her, but makes her kids even more of heroes because she outlines how badass they were for standing up to her on several occassions. Like R was a complete badass the whole time. "I'd rather have a glass of water than you as my mother" good boy.
I thought the exact same thing!! Those kids were SO strong and refused to be broken, even under unimaginably horrific conditions!
YES!!! I was rooting for him and E, hearing them say things like this.
Yes
Incredibly brave children.
Russell is a hero, may God bless him with a joy filled life, starting with adults telling him he won, he beat evil and won❤🙏
The kids were losing control of their bowels and bladders because their organs were beginning to shut down. They maybe had a week left to live in those conditions.
I can’t believe these monsters weren’t charged with torture and attempted murder.
So sad 😭
Is that true? That's horrific
@@annieonpaperBecause they were conditions she was actively causing or worsening, and that was a reality she and her mental pathology were unable to face.
I don’t even know where a therapist starts with these poor children to help them. But all of Ruby and Jodi’s $ should go to these children and all the therapy they will need the rest of their lives!
"maybe a week" is an assumption. Those first journal entries was more than a week before the kids were found. While I agree that they are monsters and deserve to rot, creating lies based on your own assumptions based on what you're able to see online doesn't help anyone and takes away from the actual story. Fairly confident you weren't there, you didn't examine those children, I'd even venture as far as to say you're not a doctor. You're probably not qualified to determine that they were within a week of their life.
It blows my mind that Ruby never recognizes that her son might be soiling himself as a direct response to trauma (conscious or unconscious), stress, physical abuse, CSA etc. Instead of looking what could be the root cause she only considers defiance. I pray for these children, their healing and that they never see her again.
There were stacks of diapers filmed in that desert fortress, I think they were used because the children were unable to go to the bathroom as they were forced to stand for hours in one place and tied up.
Plus secondly as detailed in the journal used to see how much fluid the children had managed to find.
It's beyond cruel.
Just sickening.
Ruby thinks she's superior and a religious hero, no matter what she pretends in order to get out of prison early.
All what was said above and sometimes kids who are abused or neglected use it as a form of having or showing control. Smearing it or releasing it at certain points, because at the end of the day the one thing that can be in your control (I mean, sometimes it just isn't with traumatized people) are your bodily functions.
@@sleepykitty1745 I agree with you. It is very upsetting that someone would willfully traumatize a helpless child. All the adults in those kids lives failed them.
@@flowerjpotter1629 Those women are evil IMO. The children's Dad and the extended family also must shoulder some of the blame for not stepping in. I'm horrified and disgusted every time I think about this case. I didn't watch their YT channel and I'm shocked that the authorities didn't step in much earlier.
She is crazy. Mentally ill. She can’t rationalize like that.
I still can't get over how Ruby got her hair done before she went in front of the judge. This AFTER SHEVSHAVED HER DAUGHTERS HEAD. I wish they would shave Ruby's head
Oh how I like you! I KEEP saying this. Boy I hope no ladies who genuinely loved and missed their kids get hold of her and give her a free salon treatment, because that would be JUST....awful.
Her family was there and apparently her lawyer La Mar and his wife are Mormons and got her hair done for the arraignment! He was very nice to them according to Julie in her phone conversation!
I wonder how she and Jodi would fair under the same treatment that they doled out to those kids…😒
I thought the same…
Sick!
The more that we find out, the more angry I get that these kids did not get justice. Ruby and Jodi should be in jail for life, no parole. Monsters to the highest degree.
Utah laws are so disgusting even though their max is 60 yrs because of some stupid Utah Law they won't serve more than 30 yrs no matter what
Me too
Don't forget her husband
Good God who do we need to write to, to plead for her to be away for life?! I look at my own children and my heart aches! How could a “ mother” do this to her children?! This is just heart wrenching. 😢
They were not sentenced to jail and there is NO such thing as being sentenced to jail for life. The longest anyone can be sentenced to jail for is one year. This was a case by the state not the county.
That kid literally got out in time. He saved himself and his sister from the worse case scenario 😢
I cannot believe that these journals exist. I’m horrified but also thankful that Ruby was delusional enough to keep a record of her abuse. The fact that this isn’t a story, it’s a real life account of how Ruby abused and tortured her children, is bone chilling. Ruby is the Devil, she is the demon that she claims to have seen in her child’s eyes. She is the pain and the torment that they endured. She is their worst nightmare and she is the reason for all the trauma they will have to work through as they grow. Ruby deserves life in prison. She does not belong in the free world, because this is what she does with freedom.. she makes others (her own children) her prisoner, and that’s unforgivable. “Do you know that I love you?” What an absolute mind f!ck
She’s a psychopath & deserves to never be let outside again
I could not have put it better myself you encapsulated everything perfectly. This woman is horrifying and those poor children I just pray that they will end up okay
Every Mormon is told to keep journals.
It’s like when the perp revisits the crime scene over and over again. In Ruby’s case as a sadist, she loved the page by page revisiting of the self inflicted trauma on her own children
Magical Thinking, is a trait, it doesnt have to be Narcisstic, but it can. My mother is like this ~ no journal. She did feed me. I left early.
This is literally the kind of woman who ends up drowning her children and saying they were possessed. Thank God they got out in time.
preeeetty sure "god" had nothing to do with them getting out on time!
Scary 😳
This is exactly why we need to end "carve-outs" for "religious belief" in the DSM if the behavior would be called "paranoid schizophrenia" in the absence of the religion. Believe what you like, but you don't get to treat minors like this because of your beliefs and if your beliefs are like this maybe you should not be left alone in charge of them.
She honestly believes that the devil entered R’s body BEFORE he was born on Earth. Mormon’s have some very strange beliefs I can’t explain. Ruby seriously believes she’s been sent by God to defeat the devil. Sick! Crazy sick.
She's definitely Lori Vallow 2.0
It's blowing my mind that she WROTE ALL THIS DOWN. She was so cocky and confident that she wouldn't be caught.
The fact that Ruby describes her two youngest children as being possessed by the devil and evil and all that other shit is fucking ironic considering the only evil one is her.
Not the only one, Jodi also... But yes, those were my thoughts too!
Right, Kevin said when Jodi got “possessed” he would go in and say blessings over her because he was the “resident exorcist”. (Which is completely insane all of its own)
But
The kids supposidly get “possessed” and they torture them by working in the sun barefoot, without food or water, and poking them with cactuses or whatever it was. Didn’t hear about anyone poking Jodi with cactuses or a cactus poker while she is slaving out in the sun. She seemed to be well fed and perfectly hydrated.
All these people were crazy, sadistic, nut jobs who enjoyed torturing those kids. They should never get out of prison and the father should be there with them. The only evil people in this situation was them.
So much like Daybell. They could have been dead within weeks or even days. OMG
Exactly! The hypocrisy in almost everything she says.. Expecting others not to sin while she simultaneously does all of these things to her children. If god is speaking to you, has he forgot to let you know that all of this abuse is most definitely a sin? She IS the devil and her kids are finally free of the devil now. Ugh I hate her.
I know it breaks my heart 😭
The fact that her kids told her to Eff off and had the willpower to fight back in even the smallest ways when she was putting them through literal hell, is a testament to how brave they are. I hope those kids grow up to be healthy, well adjusted adults who never have to speak to or see her ever again if they don’t want to.
I think honestly him saying to her he worships the D, was him just wanting it to end for her to just end him so he didn’t have to be tortured anymore. It’s so sad 😢
THIS. I am so proud of them.
A woman who cant bare children will kill her in prison.. putting cayenne pepper and honey on open wounds & wrapping them in duct tape? It took professionals hours to get her out of a closet.. after choosing to throw herself into a cactus.. the amount of brainwash. It makes my skin crawl. The justice system is awful!
Sadly, she will be around like minded people. Jails are full of c ab$uers
The mama bears too.
She’s also going to end up someone’s prison b*tch.
RF is a hero.
His 12 yr old bravery, to save himself and his sister deserves a medal of honour.
I truly thought Ruby had some redeeming qualities.. ABSOLUTELY NOT.
This sounds like Jodie only helped her live out her sick fantasies.
They couldn't break him. They tried mightily, but something on him still managed to hold on.
He escaped multiples times, and each time, they caught him, which is why they started tying him up. The fact that he didn't give up, no matter the consequences, makes him incredibly brave. Had he not kept trying, those women absolutely would've ended up killing those children because they were in the process of looking for a property in Arizona to buy that didn't have any neighbors around so that the kids would be completely isolated.
@@mareelovely He was going to be punished whether he obeyed or not. He couldn’t win with those two women, so he might as well have tried getting his freedom. Thank goodness he succeeded.
Ironic she called R "the spawn of satan"...because if he's the spawn....she's Satan 👀🙏
Always thought the same when she said "demons sit in the shade"...don't believe she was in the sun.....
I caught that, as well LOLOL!
So true
As a grand mother, there’s no way I would go for days without seeing my grand babies, Rubys family claim that they tried to intervene, but I don’t think they tried hard enough. They were ALL too busy making TH-cam videos. 🤬🤬🤬🤬
I would have no issue calling the authorities on my family if I thought something was going on. So this family really didn't care about those kids
The cops couldn't legally go inside after multiple wellness check calls. Ruby was smart about it. Now with body cams, cops can't lie and say, I thought I heard someone ask for help.
If they tried to intervene, they knew they needed an intervention! Why didn't they call the police?
@@cookiemama4they did. MANY times. they had so so many visits from CPS but they never did anything about it
@@literallylondonn
CPS needs to be shut down, and someone else more competent start the business of protecting children! Class action law suit against them is way overdue!
It is a good thing Ruby wrote this. This should be sent to the parole board for when they consider it. They need the max time of 30 years not 4.
Exactly.
Yes!
100%
The wound depth and cayenne says death sentence for me
I'm sure the parole board will read all of it, and probably the unredacted version.
They want to say Jody is worse for "putting these ideas into her mind." No. This woman enjoyed torturing her children and all of this is HER torturing them... She was the one who was supposed to have a mothers heart. She is just MENTAL.
Agreed. Two cold hearted sociopaths working together. Both equally evil.
I agree Ruby is in complete denial if she thinks that Jodi was responsible for making her think & act this way! Ruby for years displayed her constant contempt & complete hatred towards her children through her ridiculous TH-cam channel. Listening to her calls from prison highlights this still. It is absolutely spine chilling & beyond belief that these two women aren’t serving life ! The justice system has failed these children 😢words cannot express how much my heart breaks for them.
They made the children say those things! They couldn’t win. If they said no, the answer should have been yes.
I agree. It bothers me a lot how many people put more blame on jodi than on her
Exactly. Jodi didn’t find some innocent mother and corrupt her against her kids. She found a *kindred spirit* who was just as messed up as she was and they both got together to have field day torturing those kids. One is just as culpable as the other.
For every Ruby that is publicly very visible out there, there are so many more that need to be exposed.
This should be a wake up call for everyone.
Ruby is a textbook sadist and it's frightening how lenient the prosecutors were.
This explains why that little girl sat 4 hours in that closet with little communication. She was terrified.
Yup
She probably thought it was another test and was terrified of failing it. Those poor babies 🥺
Yes and conditioned not to move per her evil mother
My mom is bipolar with episodes of psychosis. She has been psychiatricall hospitalized many times. She always had problems, but it got worse as she got older. There are 6 of us kids, my older siblings had moved out when it got super bad so I was the oldest in the house there's an age gap then I have 3 younger brothers.
Let me just say, we were like frogs in a boiling pot, we all made excuses for her delusions and it's much clearer looking back than it was in the thick of it so I do feel for the older sisters who were also in the home. That being said, I do wonder what they even knew or what she was telling them because even with that fog, I physically fought and restrained my mother from hurting my brothers. I was 14 the first time I really realized that something was seriously wrong with her, she cried and apologized and I covered for her, but it never got better. She said very similar things to what Ruby was saying about demons and such. Finally it culminated in her attacking me in the middle of the night thinking I was possessed. Thankfully I was 17 and able to fight back, but I will never forget the empty look in her eyes as she started screeching like Smeagol that I was going to kill her because I had restrained her.
So sorry that you had to deal with this. It's so sad that no one helped you guys and you as the kids had to go through this 😢 I'm glad that you survived. My one sister had a psychotic episode once. It was so scary and overwhelming.. hard to understand how she completely lost touch with reality 😢 I was a grown-up and it completely floored me... I didn't know what to do... at least we could get her to a hospital to get help. I can't even imagine how scary it must be for a kid who has no way out...
What's even sadder is that Russell wasn't looking for help. He was looking to go to jail/prison. He was asking that neighbor to take him to jail just as he attempted to runaway and take himself to jail.
That poor boy was lucky enough to wander to a home with people who LOVED a stranger. People who loved a hurt child. They fed the needy and stayed with him.
Yes, his actions saved him and Eve. I have no doubt! Running away, for whatever reason, was a brave move. I simply find it terrible what saved his and Eve's lives was thoughts he needed to be in jail.
Wow, I didn't think it that way... 😢
@@janinap4892The fact that Russell blamed himself and thought he should be taken to prison shows how these evil women had worn him down and brainwashed him into believing he was bad!
@@flamelily2086 Yeah, that is really sad and it needs so much manipulation to get somebody, let alone one's own child, to think that. I truly thought he was trying to get help and her mom and Jodi to the police.
This is exactly why I am sooooo worried about the children knowing ruby can get out in 3 years. She wasn’t charged with attempted murder, she was charged with abuse and likely could fight for some type of visitation right after she gets out. I don’t think the courts would give it to her but I can see Russel blaming himself and because he blames himself he will be extremely vulnerable for the next few years while he builds a new support system and gets therapy.
@@janinap4892 his lack of responses to the EMTs/paramedics shows he wasn't looking to get anyone, other than himself, in trouble. The only question he openly answered was to the lady providing him food and water regarding Eve being in the home.
As others have said, the poor kid was horribly manipulated and believed he was filled with and even possibly a demon itself.
These kids are amazing. Truly. Hiw these babies survived is amazing. I hope they have the best lives.
E used to use her hair as a self comfort by twisting it in her fingers and fiddling with it. Thats the distraction that monster was referencing when she shaved her head. Taking away her self soothing
My God 😢
Cant fathom
Im shook omg 😮
Omg
Why are rubys parents staying quiet!
That cult is disgusting!!!
And why doesn’t Jodi’s kids or ex husband speak up!!!
I made the mistake of looking at the photos of that poor child's wounds, scars, and his emaciated little legs and something in me broke. I can't understand how he even managed to walk, let alone doing hard physical labor. The fact that Jody insisted that he had willfully caused those wounds himself just to defy her makes my blood boil. Those photos and this journal have brought me to a level of anger I never thought possible. I've always been excessively compassionate and forgiving and have never felt the desire to see another human being experiencing horrendous pain and suffering... until right now. I can't claim that I would be prepared to actually dish it out to those two women, but let's just say that I wouldn't cross the street to stop other people from doing so.
His joints are pretty much bigger than the limbs above and below them. And he's so courteous and humble and polite to that man when he rings the bell. Heartbreaking. I hope both those women get EXACTLY as they have given others.
I'll dish if you hold the camera. Deal? ; ) All proceeds go to the kids and kids who were similarly victimized.
I feel the same way.
The cayenne?? Death sentence man.
The crazy this is EVERYONE in that family saw it, knew it & didn’t do a thing for these kids. And the state of Utah failed them. The amount of calls made to their home is crazy that they didn’t find anything wrong. Kevin, Ruby & Jodi should be in jail. And those children do not deserve to be in a family where they weren’t protected in the first place. This is why children should not be on the internet 👏🏼👏🏼
The oldest sister called cps many times. Many people watching the TH-cam show called cps. There was no findings, failure of the system.
Older sister said Bonnie called CPS too.
Had Ruby Franke gotten charged, convicted, and sentenced in non predominant Mormon state and city, she definitely would’ve been convicted of attempted murder.
Yep.
I wish I could agree, but unfortunately they probably wouldn't have been: they never actually implied, claimed or wrote that their ultimate plan was to murder the children, and there needs to be premeditation in order to charge with murder or attempted murder.
@@maneckineckbeard1749 That's not true. 1st degree is what is premeditated. 2nd degree is not
Whenever she says the children are "manipulative" or "liars" she is referring to the kids actually giving the responses she wanted so she could continue the abuse anyway.
So they could never win. Now that’s manipulation.
The moment that gets me (besides so many other things about this horrible situation) was when I saw the video of this sweet emaciated and bruised little boy, walking up to the doorbell camera of the man who called 911, the way that he asked for help was the most polite and sweet way to ask for help! Just the way he asked this stranger for water and to call the cops, it made me cry.
These children fought to LIVE . That boy was so brave to break out & get help. Even the little girl told her mom that she was awful. When she said that OTHER adults couldn't see the demons in her children, that was her way of saying I DON'T CARE WHO SAYS I'M WRONG...
He KNEW he was Going to Die in Arizona.
Kevin & Ruby talked about Chad not having a bed when he was 12 and sleeping 7 months on a bean bag. They made a video JODI was the professional who told them to do it. Then JODI is the person who told them to send Chad to the Arizona dessert 12week therapy in the desert. THINK WHAT HE WENT THROUGH. Then Jodi wanted to get Ruby and they open THEIR OWN CAMP and would have unlimited access to ANY LDS CHILD.
All of this is EVERYTHING Jodi did to her Niece in the early 2000's. If you watch Mormon stories podcast interview her they did EVERY SINGLE BIT OF THIS. Jodi has been doing this since the late 90's!!!! The hair cutting, tape over mouth, sleeping outside, no clothes. KEVIN KNEW RUBY WAS DOCUMENTING ALL THIS. This is recommended by the church "to show where God works in your life". The REAL DETAILED VERSION is still missing. He thought his daughter Sheri took them. That's why he wanted to press charges. I bet 100000000% he knew every bit of what was going on. He didn't contact his kids because they were away being retrained EXACTLY LIKE CHAD WAS IN THE DESERT.
Why Arizona? Why Lori Vallow in Arizona? BECAUSE THIS IS ALL BASED ON LDS CORE VALUES. They believe Mormons are God's chosen people and that Utah/Arizona is the REAL Israel.its insanity.
What's the story about feeding each kid with banana, mouthful each.... very strange
The wild part is that he wasn’t trying to escape, he was trying to get the neighbors to take him to jail because they were threatened that was the next step in atoning for his “sins”. That’s why he said it’s a “personal matter” and he needed 2 favors. He wanted to go ahead and atone for his “evil”
I can't. I have to stop watching. This brings me nightmares. It is middle of the night right now and i went to my 9 year old and hugged him.
R is precious, he is a superhero. I would love to donate for his therapy. I hope so much he finds love in his life. Pure,unconditional love.
This is sadistic. I've heard stories over the years of women murdering their children to "save them" and speaking of demons, and you can clearly see they were having a psychotic break when they went over the edge.
Ruby was cold, calculating, manipulative, and relentless. She knew exactly what tf she was doing, and she enjoyed it. It is pure evil.
They don’t have to be having a mental break to do these things. They can be narcissists, sadists, and lots of other types. They’d have happily tortured these kids years sooner if the conditions would have allow them to do it secretly. They ramped up the abuse after the dad obeyed their commands for him to leave, so he’s also complicit. He didn’t protect any of them, which is his #1 job in life, no excuses. Narcissists and sadists are always looking for opportunities to abuse, they get the most gratification from hurting others overtly.
When Ruby writes about J, she is talking about her daughter Julie. On one of the many audios released, she says that she had left Jodi’s house with Julie early the morning of R’s escape to take Julie to a dentist appointment.
The two middle girls were not persecuted the way the two younger kids were, and Russell was the one who got the brunt of their torture
Yes, and R thought she was still there. That's why the police ask Jodi if there are 2 kids in the house when they search her home.
@@DonnaLena1 both e and r were abused not just r downplaying the abuse e went through which is literally the same thing as r by saying r got the brunt of it is gross there are pictures of e’s injuries, she was physically, emotionally, psychologically and mentally abused too again they both got the brunt of it they both were abused in the same way
@@soude85 14
@@soude8514 i think but I wonder if A (middle daughter 16) also had to witness it
Horrific!!! Thank you so much for fighting for these poor children. I watched a TH-cam yesterday where a person talked about Ruby being in prison. She said that many people in prison are victims of parental abuse. Ruby is going to have a hard time as most prisoners are also well aware of what she has done and are triggered. They do see the news and talk to friends and family. Fingers crossed that she gets her head shaved.
She'll be fine. She's so manipulative, she will be okay, no one is going to do anything
We can only hope!
Or mop water
My heart breaks for those kids. I hope they are getting the love and support they deserve now. ❤
I keep thinking about the call between Ruby and her sister, and how the sister asked "is this triggering me asking you about the day you got arrested?" Like shut the f*** up man, what about the triggers that the kids are going to have for the rest of their life?
Right she won’t be triggered thinking of shaving her daughters head she’s going to think of those things and enjoy it. Sadistic monster!
right...so gross. They are all making it about themselves when it has nothing to do with them at all. Those kids have no one to advocate for them. I don't understand it. Breaks my heart!
Wait what call did she say that v
@@Gohappygirl It was the jail house phone conversation between Julie and Ruby. Julie was at the first hearing with Ruby's parents. Julie totally rubs me the wrong way. She talks and reminds me of Ruby so much. I don't see any compassion in Julie, for E and R.
Her entire family is like this. Everything is about Ruby. How traumatic the noises in prison are. The hardest part of all this is having people believe wrong things about her, etc. No Ruby the hardest part is the horror your children had to go through you sick F..k.
I couldn't believe she wasn't charged with attempted murder I thought this also!!
THIS. she held their heads in water?!??!
She should be charged life in prison ,the horrible things she had done to those poor babies :(
I know, they have to prove intent. That's maybe the only things her journals help her with, she never said she wanted to K!ll them. Hopefully, she will get more than 4 years.....
That’s why they both took a plea deal. The judge never saw those journals… but then again that state is seriously crooked. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are out in 7 years, because the Mormon parole board says they are reformed.
I watch a really good lawyer and he said they would have had to prove intent and it wouldn’t have been a slam dunk like the felony abuse charges were… though he could see how a DA could get there, if they wanted to charge her.
However it would be up to a jury- and the rules for convicting someone guilty of something aren’t based off of what seems obvious to us on the outside. (I think she 100% would have killed them both if R didn’t escape and save them.) In trials you have to follow the rules of evidence, which are tricky, so they wouldn’t even know everything we do. I bet the previous ‘no lunch, no bed’ stuff would be prejudicial since it’s a prior act and not directly related them being tortured at Jodi’s, and not even allowed in. The jury would have no idea.
She could have gotten away with it. But felony child abuse… she got the max charges. If the parole board has any sense and does their jobs, they’ll keep her in there for the max!!
It outrages me and also makes me feel so proud of these kids for being honest and sticking up for themselves the best the could at the time. They will have to deal with this for the rest of their lives. I’m 38 and still struggle with abuse I went through as a kid. I hope this woman is getting what she truly deserves.
Ironic she refers to them as weak minded brats, but the reality is they are so strong for enduring this torture. This is so sad.
And now she is in jail and whining about not being able to have phone calls all the time
The part where Ruby tells R to tell his demon “I will fight him until the day YOU die” is absolutely chilling. They fully intended to kill this kids in AZ.
The kids have been irreparably harmed. I just hope they can be adopted by a super loving family to cherish them. All of the kids need new families far away from Utah. Kevin better not get custody either after everything we’ve found out about.
I noticed that too. Who says “I will do x till the day YOU die.” Terrifying. Crazy.
YES!!! That's the first (unredacted) part where she mentions one of those kids dying!!!
I disagree. With everything they’ve been through, ripping them away from everyone and everything that they know and are familiar with would traumatize them further. Hopefully there is a family member who they know and trust that can help them through this
I truly don’t get why Kevin got away with no sort of consequences. He was fully aware of what she was doing prior to him leaving and the fact he never followed up to make sure they’re ok is baffling.
I thought the oldest kids lived with the dad and are happy there? What did we find out about the dad that I missed?
What makes my blood boil is she will not even regret it. No matter the suffering and punishment she goes through, in her mind she was right and just and we’re the mad ones. She will be praying for God to forgive us
In my opinion both she and Jodi believe they are martyrs, and if so , that is going to be a mindset that is going to be extremely hard to change.
The fact they were only charged with child abuse, and were allowed to take a plea deal when THIS is the evidence they had…. Is an absolute miscarriage of Justice. This is torture, holding someone against their will, child abuse can mean so many things this was not just “abuse” I’m literally sick that they got off so light on their charges
The prosecutor said that even if they’d been charged with 100 counts of 2nd degree felony child abuse (which is the highest level of child abuse 🙄) and they were found guilty of all counts, the max they could serve under Utah law is 30 years.
Absolutely DISGUSTING. Utah as a state is a nightmare.
Taking it to trial would impose an enormous burden on the children, impede their therapy, hold them in the moment, the terror of testifying against your parent....its horrible, it puts a dreadful burden on them and actively messes with therapy, as well as adding uncertainty. If I were any of those kids I'd not say a word until I knew they were locked up with no chance of acquittal.
We can't put that on the kids, it would be the ultimate torture and what would it serve? These vile women lost all the things that matter to them - power, money, status - and authorities always take the kinder route for this very reason; better to lose two years off a potential sentence of those are two years in which the kids are healing and can speak without any legal implications. It's much more cruel of us to demand a trial, altho I really do understand it. I'm just satisfying myself with the thought that they're exposed and within their milieu that is far, far worse than any prison. And that will be a life sentence, hopefully as they're eking out an existence under a bridge somewhere in ten years time...
@@randomhumanoidblob4506 but that’s only if the testimony of the kids was needed for a conviction. Ruby wrote down and documented it herself. They would get a conviction without putting any of those kids on the stand.
@@MKUltra42 yeah but as of now, they could get out in 4…. Which they should be required to serve every second of those thirty years
@@LeftieLoosie Oh I one million percent agree. And I hope that every day of those 30 years is filled with the justice they deserve. Their fellow inmates are going to be watching all of these news stories…
At 42:36 when she talks about unhooking R from the bells and whistles, asking him to breathe and putting him in a slumber...i think she really did something to knock him out. She then wrote "IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE YOUR PATIENT (R) KEELS OVER." She knew she was going to kill him. That part reeeaaally scared me.
After he almost escaped, when he ran away, the first place she went was to "make sure he hadn't gotten" to Main Street...where the police station was! After they had him back at the house and sedated (the milk,) she wrote that "the devil wants me in prison, and my children dead." She knew that if she couldn't break those kids (gets the demons out) she would end up causing their deaths with all of her abuse and torture...and then she'd end up in prison. And apparently, this was all part of "the devil's" plan. 😕🙄
This is sooooo similar to what Jessi went through 14 years ago. Jodi inflicted similar abuse; running up hills in the desert, sleeping on the deck, telling her she’s being manipulative etc etc. Ruby might’ve been inflicting the t*****e physically, but Jodi is the monster behind it all.
Also, These kids are soooo smart!! SO resilient!
It could also be that E was “wailing” and tantruming for Ruby and not Jodi because some part of E still thought her mommy could hear her or might love her and might see her pain where as she knew Jodi didn’t care. Sadly, she was wrong, but it really could have been the dying embers of Ruby’s own baby who was begging her mom for help through a closed door.
Omg🥺💔
Yes that is what I think. She hoped her mother might love her enough to rescue her. She was begging for her life.
That’s what I thought. She was crying for help from her mother. The person she knew was supposed to be protecting her and her only hope in that situation. She was hoping her mother would help her. That is heartbreaking. I can’t imagine hearing my child call out for help and not ripping down the door to get to them and I can’t even fathom a mom being responsible for it.
@@Justme_1221 one of the reasons why I hope Ruby does the whole 30 years is because I know fine she won't leave her kids alone. Even as adults they will be pressured by that society to forgive her. And there is no way after reading this that I think they should. I know it's up to them but hell no. Hell no.
You are right! I was thinking the same thing!! 😢
She should get the same treatment done to her in prison for life 🤬🤬 my heart is hurting for these poor children 😢
Eye for an eye! Start with the shaved head and keep going... she made a full book on what to do!
@@Justmee90 absolutely 💯
As much as I agree. What she did would he considered, "cruel and unusual punishment."
It's absolutely sick they have all of this proof, and they may only serve 4 years (as of now. Unless something changes). The justice system is fucked.
Agree
The thing is, probably she will. Inmates who hurt children sre the most hated and the N1 on the list to torture in prison by other inmates
I'm so happy those children are safe now , sending them all Love healing and peace ...
❤
We know from Jessie, Jodi’s niece, that she could not confess enough. Jodi was always convinced there was more unspeakable sin that needed to be confessed.
J is Julie …her older daughter who is named after her aunt. The mental and emotional torment those two older girls went through is never mentioned. Ruby would have brainwashed them to thinking this was ok or put the fear of God into them so they never told anyone.
Yes and A is the name from the other daughter.
Thissss
@@littleblackbird3742Abby
Love how you’re addressing Ruby specifically. Wouldn’t we all like to confront those 2 face-to-face. They better get the max 30 years but I’m thinking there may be more charges/lawsuits that keep them in prison longer. One can only hope.
HOW ARE THESE MONSTERS NOT SPENDING LIFE IN PRISON!? I'm in tears hearing you read this. I feel physically ill
Plea deal. Unfortunately they were highly aware that they would’ve gotten life if evidence was shown in court…. However someone said the evidence WILL be presented to the parole board. Which I hope and pray is true
R was a perfect example of what is meant by "turn the other cheek" in the Bible. To turn the other cheek meant if a Roman solider hits one side, offer the other in defiance/strength. Good for him, strong boy
Actually, Jesus didn't mean to offer the other cheek as a form of defiance, but actually in submission, as violence has no place in His world as it only begets more violence, just as He said if someone were to steal your overcoat, instead of punishing them, offer him the shirt off your back also, and if someone were to steal 30 coins of silver, offer him another 30 more.
"Turning the other cheek" and offering it to also be slapped is the polar opposite of defiance, but is in actual fact submission to your oppressor, as to react in a similar manner to the oppressor is quite possibly the easiest way out and path of least resistance. Where as it requires far, far more integrity and moral fortitude to be able resist the temptation of hurting those who hurt you in return and is possibly one of the most difficult things you can do. Just like how I want to hurt the Roman soldiers who mercilessly beat Jesus Christ, where as Jesus wouldn't hear of it even though he knew he would die at their own hands. ❤❤❤
But god on the other hand was all about that killin’!
@truthhurts2879 that is not what that teaching meant. It was malicious compliance. Make them look bad for attacking the vulnerable. Make them be victims of their own actions for everyone to see.
Horrible comment. This is a child.
That's a gross comparison. Those people had a choice. He didn't.
She complained in that journal that R pooped his pants and said it was diarrhea. Yet she withheld water from him.
Dehydration is the biggest cause of diarrhea. So she caused him to have the diarrhea - then blamed him for it and identified the occurrence as proof he had a demon.
He had a demon alright. And it’s name was Ruby. I agree with you she is a psychopath. But she also suffers from a terminal case of stupidity.
Big time YES
This is so painful to hear. As a mother it makes me cry. Im an RN and he eas losin bowel and bladder control because of the abuse, completely dehydrated and on the verge of no return.... It is blasphemy to abuse children in the nsme of God. Its disgusting that they would use God as a way to mentally and physically torture children in this way. The road to physical recovery for them will be so much faster than the mental abuse they endured. But this shows how strong they really were 😔 They shouldve gotten life. I cannot believe they ready
this diary and didnt charge for attempted murder. The state government failed these children and all of her children. The sentence is a slap in the face.
Exactly right
Its actually a common problem in people with anorexia and he was being starved
Might wanna read the Bible that she believed in. You might be surprised what is says about “correcting” your children and what to do to them if they are rebellious.
Where was “god” when all of this was happening?
Agreed, I’m also a RN!
I agree with a psychologist online who said it seems she was keeping a journal to use as a book or for teaching other parents. I think every parent/grandparent in this cult should get a serious visit from authorities to check on all kids involved.
Agree! There should be an investigation into the Mormon church as a result of this! Much like the scandals that were uncovered by the priests who were molesting young boys in the Catholic Church!
This is a MORMON CULT TENNANT. QUOTE "How else can you SEE where God works in your life, or when Satan strikes at your weakest moments"
If you listen to Kevin's AUDIO only 2nd interview he says - Ruby was keeping 2 sets. 1 detailed (still missing) & one third person scaled down THAT WILL BECOME SCRIPTURE when Jesus returns for his 140,000 chosen & will be read on Judgement day to others BY JESUS.
She & Jodi thought THE SAME THING AS LORI VALLOW. They thought they were FEMALE PROPHETS doing God's work ministering to families and casting out deamons of BYU & LDS parishioners.
There is NO Scripture because Ruby 100% is trusting EVERYTHING Jodi is saying. She already abused her kids and now she found someone who gave her the greenlight "from God" to take it up a knotch. This is 100% the same as Lori Daybell. Once you understand the core beliefs of Mormonism its SO CLEAR. They believe God has millions of souls waiting in line and they have unlimited kids to give them chances to fulfill their destiny on Earth. The more kids they have the higher your spot in heaven. The Dad can even earn his own heaven over a different solar system. She was willing to kill her children to allow his soul (Russell the one God sent to her) to go back to heaven, and to force the deamon out.
They talked about Chad not having a bed when he was 12 and sleeping 7 months on a bean bag. They made a video JODI was the professional who told them to do it. Then JODI is the person who told them to send Chad to the Arizona dessert 12week therapy in the desert. THINK WHAT HE WENT THROUGH. Then Jodi wanted to get Ruby and they open THEIR OWN CAMP and do this to all their customers kids. They were given the green light by BYU & THE LDS "Prophets". That little boy fled cause he KNEW he was gonna die if not.
All of this is EVERYTHING Jodi did to her Niece in the early 2000's. If you watch Mormon stories podcast interview her they did EVERY SINGLE BIT OF THIS. Jodi has been doing this since the late 90's!!!! The hair cutting, tape over mouth, sleeping outside, no clothes. KEVIN KNEW RUBY WAS DOCUMENTING ALL THIS. The REAL DETAILED VERSION is still missing. He thought his daughter Sheri took them. That's why he wanted to press charges. I bet 100000000% he knew every bit of what was going on. He didn't contact his kids because they were away being retrained EXACTLY LIKE CHAD WAS IN THE DESERT.
Why Arizona? Why Lori Vallow in Arizona? BECAUSE THIS IS ALL BASED ON LDS CORE VALUES. They believe Mormons are God's chosen people and that Utah/Arizona is the REAL Israel.its insanity.
I pray they are with an amazing family and never have to suffer that way again
This wasn’t brought up in court because there was no trial. They pled guilty with stipulated agreements. The prosecutors offered the plea agreements and the defense attorneys, Im sure, looked at the evidence including this journal and told their clients to take the plea agreement because they were screwed. The parole board will get access to all evidence.
Yep after reading her journals they knew they had no chance 😔
“They need a cactus to run into” they need love and food and WATER and friends and fun and affection and treats and real good humans to care for them. God this is heavy stuff. I cannot comprehend this.
I had a small scrap on my ankle from a little cactus slipping into my sock. Throwing a kid into a cactus is just sick!! Kids cant let their bowels and bladder go when they're terrified.
Keeping the children in my daily prayers…I hope they find peace, love, and true happiness. 🥺💐
The fact that they stress this kids past a breaking point, starve them and then humiliate them when they poop and pee their pants - which by the way is a sign of trauma, this is very common in kids who suffer from abuse - I’m shaking mad these kids had to survive this - they should have never had to have a mother who was so evil
Also a sign of severe dehydration and starving. You can’t control your bowels if you’re at that state.
@@flyinggeckos123this VERY true I almost starved to death my body went into shock and I couldn't control using the bathroom.
These kids would have been dead in a matter of weeks at MOST. What’s getting to me is all the screaming and cruelty from her that she’s leaving out. She delighted in tricking those babies and I cannot imagine how scared they were. R was so incredibly brave and a hero
Eventually, children who are told that abuse IS love, they will believe it. This is absolutely terrifying. All of her kids will need therapy every week for years and years. 😢
“J” is her teenage daughter Julie. Not her sister Julie.
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I think people forget there were 4 children there. The 2 teenage girls (who Pam botcher picked up to clean her house) and the 2 youngest.
It doesn’t appear the older 2 girls were being as severely abused but they were still living in the house and I’m sure they had some awareness as to what was happening to their siblings
Yea people don’t see this or forget it
I can't understand many things in this case but how only two of the kids would have been so possessed and the others not? Maybe it's the fact they were the two youngest who couldn't do much to defend themselves. 🤷🏼♀️ Did they know about each other in the house? I saw somewhere that R said he hadn't seen E in a month (or that is how I remember it) so maybe they kept them separate.
@@janinap4892 A and J. Were 16 and 14. They have always been very obedient and docile children. It's how some survive in a family like that. They are older and know not to question Ruby or do anything that she deems demonic.
The reason why they didn't say anything is likely because they were scared, brainwashed. They'd been in this cult since they were 10 and 11 years old.
@@Mania26 Well yeah, nothing really. But I meant that the smaller kids are easier targets as the teens could have fought some as they are bigger. That's more psychological to bully the smaller ones.
@@Mania26 ya I don’t believe the older 2 were being as severely abused because of the fact they were older and could fight back/had more opportunities to report to others. But they were still being heavily brainwashed psychologically abused by the 2 nut jobs. And were clearly being lent out as child labourers or perhaps more to others in the cult.
In the phone call with her husband Ruby sounded shocked and afraid the police were able to find them at Pam’s. she was definitely worried about what they would disclose
Losing control of your bowels and bladder is end stage of dehydration and starvation as your body goes into ketoacidosis then shock then your organs shut down your kidneys fail and you die. I know from personal experience just this past November. I spendt a week in the hospital because i had to be refed very slowly so that my body could adjust to breaking food down again.
I did wonder if the police giving the girl so much pizza was a bad idea in her state. And that would probably explain why the boy had diarrhea...yet Ruby thought it was evidence that he was "stealing" water. Good lord. :(
@@chewyjello1that concerned me as well. Re-feeding syndrome was a very real possibility.
@@mustwereallydothisI understand what you’re saying but, NORMAL people seeing a starving child will give them food.
This whole thing is beyond sad 😢.
@stopthemaddness100 You're absolutely correct about that. I would have more than likely given them food and water on impulse. How could I not? I have enough medical training and experience to totally know better, but it's unlikely their rescuers had a clue it was something they may need to worry about. I do hope I would have gotten my emotions under control and stopped short of giving her a pizza and a half. It's doubtful I would have been thinking straight if I were involved in that call. Perhaps the fact that they were given semi-healthy actual meals occasionally may have protected them from serious re-feeding syndrome. I don't know enough about it to say one way or another.
@@stopthemaddness100 😄 I just now read your screen name. How very appropriate for comments on this video!
Keep covering this, this is so important to keep talking about
I watched their channel back then so I can tell you for a fact that Russell always stood up for doing the right thing. He ALWAYS was the one who was not afraid. He was the voice of reason for his parents. And his parents just ignored how smart he was. Like they did all their kids.
did you think she was abusive when you watched it? why did you watch it? what did you see in it?
Please find out when and where the parole hearing is so we can protest!!! I’ll do everything in my power to be there!!!!
Yep, me too! I’ll happily advocate for those kids. Parole hearings can be for the public.
Horrific to hear but can we all just appreciate how hard it is for Josh to read this and still keep composure so we can all hear the true extent of what these poor children went through. God bless you Josh for all you do. Xx
They should have been put in jail for life. WTH is wrong with our judicial system, it’s as screwed up as our government smh
AMEN!!!!
The judge, lawyers, and parole board are Mormons All went to BY U This issue is way bigger then everyone thinks
Mormons cover up other Mormons
I have a feeling that if this were in another state, they would be. I honestly question how much the LDS church was behind their plea deals.
What are you guys talking about she get up to 60 years we don't know her time yet. Why make statements that it has to do with the church this and that. If she get 60 years that's her life. But we don't know yet.
She should be in jail AT LEAST until the youngest child is 21 years old! And then with no rights to contact ANY of the children!
Wow is all I can say. This hurts my heart, poor kids.
But also, her handwriting! It changes so much, you can almost tell what state of mind she is in as it changes….
Oh I just got to the part where you realized her writing keeps changing too! So weird…
Ruby AND Kevin are trying to use Jodi as a scapegoat. Nope. They are evil, child abusers ON. THEIR. OWN.
it is scary Kevin is trying to get custody of them
They’re all delusional and evil.
@@Katie4970. That makes me think he sees a way to make more money off them.
Julie is one of the older daughters, not just Ruby's sister! Abby and Julie are the middle children. It sounded as though they were definitely planning to leave since they were picking boxes and she said Abby put in a two weeks notice at her job there at the end. A few more days and they might have disappeared forever!
it breaks my heart to hear this because it brings back so many memories. a ton of parallels and similarities to my religiously and physically abusive childhood.
13:35
“I will fight him (demon) until the day you die.”
It’s telling how Ruby didn’t say until the day she herself died, but until the day HE died.
If a stranger had done this to children, it would have been attempted murder & life in prison, but because it’s their Mother that tortured them (which, IMO is much more evil), she’ll be out in a few years (my guess is 3-4 years). It should be life!
Kids cant fast, they can't "break their fasts" YOU STARVED THEM 😢
Exactly!
And when grown people "fast", can drink water!
@@primaveradel78And it is voluntary. It is your own decision. When someone else makes the decision for you it is starving someone.
Seriously
The only breaking fast children should be doing is EATING BREAKFAST. EVERY DAY. I can't even with this horror.
As someone who grew up in the same church that Ruby (and I think Jodi too) follows, a lot of the language that she uses is very familiar to me, especially when she talks about doing things out of love. The amount of times I was told by the adults around me that they did something -that looking back was abuse- "out of love" is honestly disturbing. All the things she says about her kids being "evil", "possessed", and "of the devil" are things things that I grew up hearing about myself and other children. In my experience, parents in the LDS church like to use fear to control their kids, and will say things like "You're evil, you need help", "God sees everything and if you don't behave He'll see it", etc. to get them to listen through fear. Also, I've seen so many parents who force their kids to "fast" as a way to repent from their sins. This behavior is not limited to Ruby, it's everywhere.
I apologize if I rambled a bit, I just wanted to share my thoughts and experiences. I hope these children get the help they need and are able to heal from the massive amounts of trauma they must have. And, lastly, I know not every Mormon is like this, there are good and bad people in every religion, this is just my experience.
When you said the kids were fighting back when they were on phone calls. I cried. And hearing her write that Satan wants her kids dead. They were so close to death. I am sick.
the saddest part is ruby didnt want to believe shes 100% the reason they wet themselves because of fear.
this is so beyond.
No. It's because they were dying. Kidney damage, bladder damage, bowel and stomach damage from dehydration and starvation.
Oh please.
You are both correct but it's likely a combination of things. There may be purely physical reasons for loss of continence, but this is also an extremely common trauma response in children. Sometimes it's due to regression or going backwards developmentally due to stress, sometimes it's literally the only thing they can control and it's in defiance. Super common in both sexual and physical abuse cases because it discourages the abuser from touching them and requires cleaning which might be the only access to water, alleviate pain or be the only caring touch they receive. It's really situational as to the purpose of the behavior and if it's voluntary or uncontrollable, but it's extremely common in all cases of abuse.
@@ashleyofeverything You're excused.
The fact that she legit tortured her kids and will potentially be out in 3 years is sick. I hope she never has the chance to abuse another child.
Right!! Tortured and literally recorded every single bit of it!! She should not be getting out.
@Pootiesmom The minimum is four not three but I'm sure they'll get at least 12 if not the full 30.
I sure hope so@@trueCrimeGuruYes
THANK YOU so much for doing this. You are so easy to listen to even though this was an extremely difficult read on many levels. Much Gratitude.
Sending love to anyone who’s experienced abuse and is having a hard time with these details. Josh, your work is so so important and your voice is so needed given your experiences as well. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤bless you all
My mom was skitzo, she would make me army crawl under the bed to meet the “tall people” and she would sit in her closet, this triggers me so hard… rip mama.. she never hurt me, I couldn’t imagine what these kids went through
I’m sorry for your loss and even more sorry that you likely had a weird relationship with her because of her condition. Hopefully you did feel loved
@@vintageincolor it wasn’t love, but I felt safe??? I knew she wouldn’t hurt me… I couldn’t imagine fearing your own parent in a way they would hurt you.. I hope this makes any type of sense. Thank you for caring 🥹
16:14 that’s hard to believe after hearing her jail call to Kevin, reminding him that adults aren’t going to buy that children can be evil, though she and Kevin know different, and she hopes he doesn’t forget that and how they’ve dealt with the problem in the past. (paraphrasing here). He’s just as involved with that as she was when he was home.
Also, listening to his first interview (haven’t heard second yet), he seemed more concerned for his wife than anything. He can’t claim ignorance.
The sisters need to be cracked down. The fact that all this came out and we all know how much worse it is and the absolute horror these children endured and her sisters still are standing behind her!!?? Absolutely not! Everyone needs to be held accountable
Julie is one of Rubys kids
It goes from oldest to youngest Shari, Chad, Abby, Julie, Russell and Eve
Julie and Abby were the 2 found at Pam Bodchers home. She picked them up at Rubys request and took them to her home to “hide” them I assume. She had Julie and Abby at her home scrubbing floors and cleaning her house 🤬
I bet you are right. I couldn’t figure out what was up with that Pam lady and her weirdo husband.
From my perspective, Pam was simply borrowing two of Ruby's slaves for the afternoon.
She was much more than that though @@mustwereallydothis
@immaseahorse1348 she was clearly very involved in all of it. She may not have actively harmed the younger kids, but nothing can convince me that she wasn't fully aware of what was going on and completely approved of all of it.
I think both Julie the daughter and Julie Ruby's sister were there, because sometimes the text hide the name like it would do with a minor and sometimes not, when it's the sister.
Thank you for the video. I have never been more disgusted or angry in my life. Should never charged with attempted murder for sure. As a parent myself this is unfathomable and truly heartbreaking for those poor innocent babies.
Russel was so weak yet he never stopped fighting. He’s gonna have to work through all this abuse and trauma and I pray he comes out of this. His got a hard hard future ahead of him. All of them do.
Hard but better, without this garbage! I was raised abused religiously like this. ...had we known back than, but we know NOW. Id been gone before 14, 15 which is when i left.
They both should serve LIFE.
Amen ❤
Amen ❤
I want to cry. By what she’s written towards the end, these BABIES would rather DIE by provoking her than spend one more second enduring this torture.
I obviously wish this had never happened, but I’m glad that these kids have such a vivid record of it. Half of the challenge of recovery from abuse is wondering “was it really that bad, or am I exaggerating”. These kids can look at this journal and think, “yep, my mom thought I was a demon and tortured me accordingly”. Holy $hit.
They needed to present this in court x
Yes they do , copies should be made and given out for the world to see what a lunatic Ruby franke is .
court is over. The case has been closed. They got 4-30 yrs.
@@stitchlightly5995she said they needed to... Meaning they should have. Also, the case isn't closed. It isn't closed until they are released and off parole if they're given parole.
@@tourettehero They didn't need to. They took a plea deal. Have you not been watching this case unfold. That Evidence would have been presented if it had gone to trial. The court was well aware of all of this Evidence. The parole board will also be given all of this evidence.
@@louwinters508 completely off topic, I like the cat. He/she looks macievious.
I hope all the Franke children are with someone loving and getting the support and help they need from professionals and real love. 💛
The poor kid probably couldn’t hold his poo. Starving your kids like that will mess up their digestive tract!
The church probably put a stop to upping the charges. The church has been behind Jody for years, she did the same type of punishments to her niece until she ran away and saved herself too. I’m so thankful R had the strength to leave and fight back. He saved them! He’s the hero!
Church should be held accountable for sticking up for these sick people. Even all the way back to when Jodi was abusing her niece and many more. The church is just as responsible for all of this as well. They knew and stayed silent. 🤢 😡
THIS! THIS! THIS! People do NOT understand the LDS church OWNS 4 states at this point. THEY HAVE THE SAME MONEY AS THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX & theirs is TAX FREE. Every Senator, Congressman, investigator, Police, Detective, DA, IN EVERY CRACK of Utah, Arizona, Idaho is 100% LDS CONTROLLED. Now Nevada, Wyoming & Montana is about half controlled. It's insanity. People ASSUME cause they use Jesus' name that they are the same as any Christian. There is a REASON L. RON HUBBARD based Scientology on Mormonism. They have a man named Jesus in their story because when they were founded they were avoiding being burned at the stake. THEY ARE FOUNDED ON OCCULTISM & 100% practice from their own written book. 99% of ALL Mormons have never READ a real Holy Bible. The LDS is fostering this insanity BECAUSE OF THEIR CORE TEACHINGS. LORI VALLOW was not a "one off". They believe they are the TRUE ISREALITES & Utah/Arizona is ISRAEL. 🫣
There is NO Scripture because Ruby 100% is trusting EVERYTHING Jodi is saying. She already abused her kids and now she found someone who gave her the greenlight "from God" to take it up a knotch. This is 100% the same as Lori Daybell. Once you understand the core beliefs of Mormonism its SO CLEAR. They believe God has millions of souls waiting in line and they have unlimited kids to give them chances to fulfill their destiny on Earth. The more kids they have the higher your spot in heaven. The Dad can even earn his own heaven over a different solar system. She was willing to kill her children to allow his soul (Russell the one God sent to her) to go back to heaven, and to force the deamon out.
They talked about Chad not having a bed when he was 12 and sleeping 7 months on a bean bag. They made a video JODI was the professional who told them to do it. Then JODI is the person who told them to send Chad to the Arizona dessert 12week therapy in the desert. THINK WHAT HE WENT THROUGH. Then Jodi wanted to get Ruby and they open THEIR OWN CAMP and do this to all their customers kids. They were given the green light by BYU & THE LDS "Prophets". That little boy fled cause he KNEW he was gonna die if not.
All of this is EVERYTHING Jodi did to her Niece in the early 2000's. If you watch Mormon stories podcast interview her they did EVERY SINGLE BIT OF THIS. Jodi has been doing this since the late 90's!!!! The hair cutting, tape over mouth, sleeping outside, no clothes. KEVIN KNEW RUBY WAS DOCUMENTING ALL THIS. This is recommended by the church "to show where God works in your life". The REAL DETAILED VERSION is still missing. He thought his daughter Sheri took them. That's why he wanted to press charges. I bet 100000000% he knew every bit of what was going on. He didn't contact his kids because they were away being retrained EXACTLY LIKE CHAD WAS IN THE DESERT.
Why Arizona? Why Lori Vallow in Arizona? BECAUSE THIS IS ALL BASED ON LDS CORE VALUES.
I'm a mormon in utah they have not even finalized ruby's sentence she can still get up to 60 yrs
The church doesn't think murder or abusing your kids is good. Get real people. We don't protect criminals. I don't care what she did enough to protect her. That's dumb rational.
Children often become incontinent due to severe abuse 😢 his body was starting to give up. They were so close to death! 💔💔
I am 22 and a broke grad student in a one bedroom apartment, but I wish with all of my heart that I was in a better place because I would 100% take these kids in. I hope they don’t get placed with blood family, I hope someone who will actually love them the way that they SHOULD be loved. I know someone else will have the resources to take these kids in but damn, this is just heartbreaking beyond words. BEYOND WORDS. there’s nothing that can take this pain away from them now, but someone, somewhere, will try their damndest. And I thank God for those people.
Agreed! I pray that hope they are placed with a non-Mormon family!