This Take From Some Fans Is Just Terrible...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ต.ค. 2024
- Recency bias is a cognitive bias that favours recent events over historical ones. Recently, we saw the rise of Canucks third-string goaltender Arturs Silovs and this has led a small fragment of Canucks fans to forget Thatcher Demko's body of work. I have heard some interesting takes on Twitter and Reddit, and in this video I provide my response.
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people saying we should trade demko are dumb, despite arturs silovs playing stellar demko is much better, i mean he is literally a runner up for the vezina trophy. i do believe though that he will 100% be backup next year and we wont resign desmith, another team might pick him up though since desmith is not that bad. also silovs being very good should help with demko not having to be overplayed in the regular season and he can remain healthy for the playoffs and the whole regular season.
Silovs has the inside track on the backup goaltending position, but he can not come into camp expecting that it is his job. He can not have a repeat of last season, where he got absolutely lit up in the first preseason game and did not see the crease again the rest of the preseason.
@@TheBluelineHockey agree 100%
Agree 100%
People are straight up clueless
@@zjsz4954 fr
People that think we should trade demko are so dumb he’s payed 5mil and is a vezina trophy finalist
And he didn't play most of last season making the team a bottom feeder and he wasn't available this playoffs when the Canucks probably could have gotten to the final.. with an actual vezina finalist goalie. ... SOOOOO?
@@Eleutherios1 him and silovs will dominate next season
Worth 5 million… and injury prone as fuck. Take that 5 mill and buy some wingers for petey. Silovs proved he can compete at this level. He’s got Ian Clarke as a coach to guide him. If Jake Oettenger can start at 23 so can Silovs.
If a player is contantly injured is not worth having u cannot trust Demko if he wont play.
@@adamtajhassam9188 just because he gets Injured he will never get traded he is our best goalie and best goalie in the nhl
I think people want to trade demko because he’s always getting injured and not playing.
Past 3 seasons since becoming starter. 64 games, 32 games, 51 games. That's pretty much 2 full starter seasons, and one where he played 2/3 of the season.
@@debuthunter5389 his injuries have derailed the past two seasons…
Thank you. Can't believe this video had to be made
let silvos develop he did good this past year. also our fans are the worst sometimes lol
Ya I agree 😂😂
And all the worst ones are the loudest and most noticeable of any fan base so thats what we get painted as similar to how we saw a lot of oilers fans being rude because thats what the internet shows us despite the vast majority of them are nice/ dont care and just wanna watch hockey
Demko is also 5 years older with two knee injuries in short order
They’re all over looking at the fact that injuries play a huge factor in a player’s career. I’d say trade him, get the cash for wingers to help Petey, and cut out the disappointment when Demko gets hurt again…
@@yourboyea1891I blame canuck management. They often mismanage injuries players. Wrong treatments or rushing em back. Maybe not this time but it happens
@@tedcity5861 Demko was overplayed this season, that's a fact. Petey was mis-managed.
I agree that it’s a stupid idea to even entertain training Demko, however I understand Vancouver’s frustration. Staying healthy for him is proving to be a massive problem. I think you hit the nail on the head tho, limit Demko to 50 starts a season or less. Give Silovs the crease for 30ish games and let him get more experience in the regular season.
these may the same people who wanted to do a full rebuild last year and then call for an "all-in" approach half way through the season .
The same people who write off Petterson before the exit interviews revealed his tendonitis.
Basicly the Reddit community
It would be insane to trade away Demko, but I do think that we will see a 1a/1b setup in the not-so-distant future, with Demko playing at least 60% of the games. He clearly does have a predisposition to injuries (the dude literally had double hip surgery at 20) and this will significantly lighten the load off of him. Silovs just needs to do his part and treat every game like it's the playoffs.
Demko is a Vezina quality goalie. I understand why some people are talking trade though . He has proven to be injury prone . Maybe with reducing his workload during the season , it will help with the injuries. I’m sure Ian Clark , and Demers will be working on that this year. But if Demko gets hurt late in next season again, or early on in the playoffs , than we will be exactly were we are this year… out of the playoffs. Hopefully with training , and managing his workload , this will not happen again.
Once Ian Clark gets some extended time with Silovs he will become elite.
Why not make that time now…
@@yourboyea1891 he will as backup
Let’s have Silovs as back up next year !!!!!
I agree and completely back you up with everything you have said.
Haha didn't expect the latvian shoutout
thank you. People that were telling me that Silovs should be the starter if we have a healthy Demko I felt were seriously suffering from Playoff Blindness. I felt Demko could have gotten us through the oilers if he was playing. probably in 6 games.
We could get Necas and Guentzel for the extra cash we’d get from Demko. Put those two with Petey. Theres you’re 36+ goals
Silovs has a lot of potential, Demko is elite, constantly top 5 and Vezina finalist. Trading him is managerial suicide, these fans need to get their heads out of their keisters and smell the fresh air, maybe the lack of oxygen is affecting their judgement!
some of these idiots are crying for Petey to be traded also!!!
Silvos will be the backup next year!!
Like from Latvia - Šilovs 🔥🇱🇻💯
The Canucks need to address their pucking moving, puck carrying, offensive transition and along the boards play. If you strengthen their offense, then they will spend less time on their end, reducing the number of shots. The idea is the Canucks are deep in net, so trade one of them to add depth on defense or offense with the above attributes in mind.
One reason why you want to consider trading Demko is because you cannot assume he will be the same Demko after this injury given how well Silov played in the playoffs, his age and his salary (upcoming salary since he is an RFA).
The majority of the Canucks are not built for today's NHL, even though they did play well in the regular season, the playoffs exposed them as not being able to play the full length of the ice. Boeser for instance is only good from the offensve hashmarks to behind the offensive net. The only guys who are good 200ft of the entire ice is JT Miller and Garland. Along this same note, this is why I think Hughes needs to move up to the forward position to enable him to affect the entire ice, being on defense holds back his effectiveness below the offensive hashmarks (he can dangle through multiple defenders, only to give up the puck by passing to a teammate or by shooting prematurely without entering the higher chance danger zone because he feels he is abandoning his defensive responsibilities).
You could keep Demko, but then he would be equally ineffective given who is playing in front of him.
You had me until Hughes went to forward lmao
@@zjsz4954 The way to think of it is Hughes can only affect the ice up until inside the offensive blue line. If he can freely play all the way below the goal line, he'll produce even more scoring chances. Having such a gifted offensive talent handcuffed by having him play on defense is mind boggling to me.
Yes he is a Norris Trophy Finalist and most likely winner, but if you placed Pavel Datsyuk on defense, he would also be a Norris Trophy Finalist, but he was more effective as a center.
Canucks goaltending has been feast or famine. There have been times when we had multiple great goalies at the same time and had to trade one, and maybe we are headed down that road again... eventually. However, people forget how much we struggled to get a good keeper between the McLean and Luongo eras. The list of failures is long and disturbing. Best to hold on to a great goalie when you got him, and that's Demko!
Demko is easily one of the top 3 goalies in the world right now... you don't trade that away, unless one of your other goalies is also a top 3 in the world goalie. He's arguably the best player on the Canucks, and absolutely is on a lot of nights.
I'd be OK with trading Demko, but we get McDavid, Draisaitl and 5 firsts rounders in return.
True, Silovs is great, but still needs to grow.
Look at what people were saying about Markstrom. He was a vexing finalist as well. And Demko’s health issues. Might not be a bad idea if the return was good
Demko is the best goalie we have had other than lou Dont do it
Yes Silovs is human, but he kept Vancouver form getting absolutely embarrassed by Edmonton. With any real offence, Silov would get it done. Trade Pettersson ? Who would take him?? lol
Demko is not going anywhere....
I remember people saying the same thing when Spencer Martin first stepped in, Saying we can finally trade Demko lol. Ya right.
the next toxic canucks question.. should pettersson be traded for a young fwd, blue chip prospect, and draft picks? (Kent Johnsson, Denton Mateychuk and a 1st?). i dont believe in pettersson has the mentality for a long playoff grind.. he isnt a tochett player and we need the cap space.
Thanks for the idea!
Demko Is Our Top Goaltender Silovs Back Up
Demko wanted to go back to southern Cal last year (he wanted out) and he's the second best goalie in the league. He's worth a lot and is injured a lot. Canucks are in serious cap trouble over the next 2 years. They could keep a couple important pieces and receive a couple great prospects (plus dump salary) if they moved him to Carolina. The trade him play isn't because you think Silovs is ready it's because you're trying to save your roster lol. It would be next season. Sign and trade because you're going to have to resign him likely next year
Some people have such insane hockey takes, I wonder if we watch the same product.
Trading Demko now, when his contract isn’t even expiring, might be the dumbest idea heard in a while.
Just wait a season, we’ll re-evaluate in 1 years time
there is a valid concern about Demko's injury history starting with both hips having surgery at 20 years old and many groin and knee problems since-as a healthy goalie he is a stud no denying this.IMO he's been played too much especially that february stretch this past season.Silovs was good not great and I watched a fair few Abby games this year and he was good not great again.We only have Demko as a true number 1 any other ideas are just fantasy.
What about selling Demko for cash and grabbing some much needed wingers to help finally help out Petey
@@yourboyea1891 Hronek is a better trade chip to help the top 6
Remember Demko was the rookie stealing the show before, Silovs as a backup will make him even better, both from more rest and competition
The goalie graveyard keeps getting new bodies…..unfortunately that’s not the problem….. paying big bucks to players that don’t perform and losing players who produce to free agency is the problem
i don't think anyone would argue for trading demko right now but next season I would start demko and silovs an equal amount of games and see if silovs is up to snuff, meaning he plays at average nhl level and is consistently decent, doesn't have to be elite, then I would think about trading demko. he's very high value and the canucks clearly struggled offensively, so it makes sense to me to trade him in that situation. the oilers just got to the conference final with the worst goalie in the league for comparison.
Oh my god. We know the math. It doesn’t mean Thatcher Demko would’ve had the same .91 save percentage against the Oilers in this series 😂. Both goalies are good. I’m not sure what forward would bring more to a Canucks team. This is the peak of your team. Work with what you have.
I agree with you, AND Demko is fragile as shit. He can't seem to play a starter's load without getting hurt twice a (post)season.
You have to factor reliability. I love Demko but will he be healthy when we need him. We have great goalie coaches. Demko would be desirable to other teams. But one more year with Silov as backup wouldn’t hurt either.
Demko is an elite goalie now and for at least another 5-6 yrs
With Demko we are still playing. Full stop!!
Demko doesn't score goals. Full stop.
Most ridiculous takes are just teenagers. The rest are 20 - 30s types who have the maturity of a teenager. We need Demko, and we also need a great back up.
Its not that outlandish to consider a Demko trade. His stock is still fairly high but he has an asterisk by his name with respect to his injury proanesss. You can be the greatest player in the world but if you suffer from the injury bug more often than not and are not available for the most part in the season like in the playoffs. Then your greatness has little or no value. The Kanucks showed they are a contender but still have a couple of holes to fill before they are considered a serious contender. A Demko trade could help fill some of those holes.
No canuck fan in their right mind is willing to trade demko. Especially now.
I also disagree that Arturs Silovs hasn’t earned the crease because of some screen shots that went in. There’s no real right decision when a team has 2 amazing goalies let alone the 3 that Vancouver has. You either trade one of them and risk getting something awful in return. Or wait for Demko to lose popularity after a couple of bad games and start Silovs. Canucks best chance of winning a cup left with Roberto Luongo. The fan base just ran him out of town after winning a gold medal with Canada 😂. I see the same future with Silovs that I see now with Jeremy Swayman and Linus Ullmark. You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. I’d trade one of the goalies not because I’d get something amazing in return even though I would because of their performance. But it’s because I wouldn’t want either of them to face the unforgiving Canuck fan base that’s going to eventually come after a few bad games. Demko’s already under scrutiny.
Just because Silovs played well is NOT a reason to trade Demko. GCG!
To say nothing of damage it could do to the culture of the team. Demko is clearly a part of the team's leadership group and has done nothing to lose his spot. It's hard enough attracting free agents to a Canadian market, try doing that when you've made the baffling decision to run your Vezina finalist on an bargain contract out of town.
Just to play devils advocate, Demko is starting to be injury prone and it may be better to get some really great returns for him before other teams figure this out.
Yeah I agree it is a massive problem. But before we entertain trading him we need to lighten his work load to 50 starts or less and see how if he can stay healthy for that.
Do I think we should trade Demko? No, absolutely not. People who says this are very reactionary and should be laughed out of the room. Vezina goaltenders don’t grow on trees and trading that away would be devastating.
That being said, I believe it’s reasonable to be concerned about Demko’s health. He can’t stay healthy for a whole year. We never really cared cause the team hasn’t been good but now that it is, important to have a starting goalie who can remain healthy for the playoffs. After all, what’s the point of a 50 win regular season if your starting, Vezina level goalie gets injured in game 1 and significantly impairs the team. I think next season will be a watershed moment. If Demko can’t stay healthy for the playoffs, while I would still disagree, I think the trade talk would be more warranted.
Wow... Keep Demko, have Silovs for a 25 to 30 games played back up, in order to preserve Demko's health, and trade DeSmith for some toughness and grit. There, fixed it for the nutjobs.
Silovs did great but he isn't good enough to replace Demko yet.
I thought this was gonna be patriotic latvians saying we are better than we are better than we actually are
Not the time to do that. Maybe in a couple of years before he's an UFA
Silovs was good for his age but ffs he had a sub 900 sv% against the oilers.Demko is the guy now.
Don’t trade the best goalie in the world….
Demko not playing till the WCF was NOT the plan all along. Demko being the starter through the playoffs was the plan. Recency vs historical... both involve Demko being injured for long stretches having serious effects on the team. Is Demko the better goalie.. of course.. is he reliable to actually be in the net when needed NOOOOOOO. Last year the team was bad because they went into the year thinking Demko would be the starter and he was injured and then out of the line up. This year they went into the playoffs thinking Demko would be the starter and then he is not available. It is bad management to go into a season or a playoffs depending on Demko to be healthy. That is not recency bias.. that is just historical reality.
So it is not dumb or a terrible take to look into trading him when his value to others in the league is high. In fact not looking at what value you could get for him would be dumb and terrible management. You don't seem to get that Demko being better is meaningless when he is always injured, when you cannot rely on him to be available when it matters. Demko isn't getting younger and his knees, hips and groin are not going to get better over time as he enters his 30's. Keep him fine. But given his status as a "vezina finalist" on a good contract.. if there is a good deal to be had for valuable assets the SMART play is to make that deal and not hold on to a declining, aging, unreliable asset that is going to want a raise in a year even though he has not actually won anything for the team or himself.
Anyone with this take only watched the Canucks in this years playoffs.
Demko needs to play in the playoffs before you can say he's good, and so far he's played 1 playoff game. (Don't give me that "Bubble Demko") BS.
demko is good goalie but is injury prone and should be traded when next HUGE contract comes up
Trade Petey before you trade Demer... No way, this makes no sense people...
Yes, give demko to oil country
in his 5 years in the league demko has had 3 knee injuries, 3 lower body injuries and a concussion. that list is longer than most starters have in their entire career. i'm not saying silovs is the answer though you have to think he will be a starter in the nhl in the near future. if you can't get through a season without injury you are a liability. game 1 of the playoffs you're out? i rest my case.
He also had hip surgery before entering the league. He is great.. when he is playing. He now has a very long and well documented history of not being available or reliable. Any management group that goes into the season or into a playoffs depending on Demko is making a big mistake.
64 games, 32 games, 51 games in the past 3 seasons. Those are normal starter numbers, apart from the middle one, which is still about 2/3 of a starters season.
This makes me sick
Leafs receive:
Demko
Hronek
Canucks receive:
Marner
Joey Woll
Jake Mccabe
Canucks don't want those fuckin losers...no thanks
Canucks Acquire:
Marner (Extended and 50% retained salary)
Nylander
1st round draft pick
Leafs acquire:
Demko
Mikheyev
Trade Demko…😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🫡😂😂🤣🤣🤣 it’s ridiculous on its face. Silovs is a good tender. He will most certainly be an elite tender in a few years,but he’s not Demko. And you’re correct when you point out that Demkos’ salary is a straight up bargain in the nhl for what he brings to the team. And for the record,I don’t think DeSmith should lose his spot as back up…but that’s just me I guess.
Get out of here