If you don’t want to wait for all nine of the videos in this series to roll out on NutritionFacts.org, you can get them right now in a digital download from my webinar a few months ago. drgreger.org/collections/videos/products/plant-based-and-cultivated-meat-digital
In your video you state that "plant protein has not been associated with increased levels of the cancer-promoting growth hormone IGF-1," however, a recent randomized controlled study of 37 patients with type II diabetes found that not to be the case. The researchers noted, "The most striking finding is that plant protein induces similar increases of IGF-1 as animal protein does....our results suggest that differences between plant vs. animal protein intake and cancer or cardiovascular risk do not arise from their effects on components of the IGF-1-system but protective properties of other components present in plant-based diets." The study is titled, "Similar dietary regulation of IGF-1- and IGF-binding proteins by animal and plant protein in subjects with type 2 diabetes."
@@edrabogucki401 Grant funding from the government of Germany, Federal Ministry of Food and Agriculture, which oversees all food including meat, vegetables, fruits, etc.
This was the most coherent microlecture on the relative benefits and risks of plant protein vs animal products I've heard yet. I'll be sharing as widely as I can.
@@hynjus001 I don't have big muscles, but why would I? I am a muscian and Capoeirista, what good would it be? I am still able to do demanding workouts and acrobatics, practise a lot and recover fast. Not everyone has to look like the Hulk. But there absolutely are muscular vegans and world class athletes if you'd care to seach for them. Anyway, all the best
@Black Sperm i don't think im delusional , I have gotten several complements for my right bicep from different people lol. Thought i am not 100% vegan, im just plant-based
@Black Sperm Watch the movie "Game Changers" if you get a chance......one of the strongest men in the world is a VEGAN.....so your argument about eating animal protein for strength is ridiculous.....and not only that, plant based diet provides you with LOTS of endurance as well.......
Wow, this is the first time in all these years watching these videos that I can say my mind is blown. I honestly did not expect this outcome. Interestingly, the researchers concluded, that they did not find a significant difference between protein isolate products and whole food sources, “suggesting that the cholesterol-lowering effects are at least, in part, attributable to the plant protein itself rather than just the associated nutrients.” So, it’s not just because plant protein travels with fiber or less saturated fat. Plant proteins break down into a different distribution of amino acids; and so, it’s like if you give people arginine, an amino acid found more in plant foods, that alone can bring down people’s cholesterol. And even plant protein concentrates used in these products aren’t pure protein, retaining a few active compounds such as phytosterols and antioxidants, which also can have beneficial effects.
I can’t find one other plant based doctor who agrees with that. There’s lots of fat and sat. Fat and sodium. I’d like to know more and I’d also like to know who funded that study.
Honestly it sounds great I’d love to have an impossible whopper now and then and know it’s not as bad as it was originally mad out to be but I find it hard to believe that all these isolated don’t do some harm. Mostly I’d love to know who funded that study.
Great to know. You can get things like TVP or TSP at stores and make your own plant based burgers/meats. That's what I do but I leave out all the extra fat. I've been trying to perfect my fat-free alternative meats since so many of the recipes call for a ton of oils to make the 'meat' taste good!
I know I have made a very simple black bean burger with crushed walnuts. It’s good and men like this burger so I’m saying we can do this. One ingredient that is a must have in a plant-based burger is smoked paprika. I ran out and it did not taste the same.
Beyond Meat is toxic to rats lmao. Pea protein has to be made in china because the chemical process has to be done on a cellular level. The chemicals used is so toxic it’s dumped in Chinas waters… LMAO. Oooh it doesn’t have saturated fats… But it’s okay that it has chemicals that most American consumers have no idea how it’s made. Metals etc. That rats won’t eat it, I’m sure that’s better,
Fact-checking can _never_ be set aside no matter the speaker. Bean and rice burritos routinely have more sodium, sometimes far more sodium, than an Impossible burger patty. So.... he does well when he gets his data and comparatives correct; not so much when he doesn't--like anyone else in the diet wars.
You thaught me too well Dr Greger. When i saw the title i immediately said "it depends to what it's compared to" without thinkin too much. If course there are healthier foods but if you want that taste and feeling it's hard to go for something else.
When it comes to just me, I don't like to eat these replacement products any more, I'm all in on whole foods. But they help me to slowly nudge family members into a vegan diet. Good to have some knowledge to back it up!
@@jamescalifornia2964 Well, perhaps, but when I first put one into my pan at home, I was surprised at how greasy it was... And filling my home with all sorts of smells I had banned from it quite some ago. I guess that sort of product is just not for me any more.
It's surprising, I thought that these products would be much more unhealthy. Of course, there is way too much salt, and the cocunut fat sucks. Nothing beats lentils but its good to know that on an occasional basis, it's not so bad. Awesome series Dr Greger, thanks for sharing.
You can also buy the just concentrated pea protein that has very little else in it. And you can add some of that to say a combo lentil quinoa type patty you make, and that way you can control what goes in there.
@@justinw1765do you know how plant protein is made? It’s not ground up peas… It’s done on a cellular level, breaking protein bonds, etc. They have to use harsh chemicals to do this. It’s so toxic it’s not allowed to be done in America, so it’s done in Chinas so it can be dumped in their waters. There’s a reason why REAL dieticians wouldn’t recommend eating it. It’s even toxic to rats… RATS. Better stick to Whole Foods plant based because beyond meat/ Impossible meat is no way good for you.
Yes! This is why I stayed away from these products for years. But NOW Beyond Meat has products made with AVOCADO oil, instead of coconut oil. It’s MUCH less saturated fat! And they are absolutely delicious! Once in a while, it’s OK! If it’s once a month, that’s one meal out of 150 or so. The important thing is one’s nutritional intake in the context of decades of life!
@@hmarat9 it's fine once or twice a week, probably not a good idea to eat it every day. Stick to mostly whole plant foods or minimally processed food like tofu or tempeh.
Well, obviously they are going to try an replicate the flavor of the animal versions, and since majority of the tasty flavors from animal flesh comes from fat & plant spices they usually can replicate the flavors successfully.
@BenBenson Great and that's awsome, but keep in mind most of these meat substitutes are replicas of the oringinals(derived from animals) Therefore, to virtue signal, and be appalled because the replicas taste too similar to the oringinals is asinine; The products are obviously not meant for individuals who feel that way.
@BenBenson you were giving that air off though, so her comment wasn't a far jump. Communicating well will help you get your point across. Side note: I'll never understand why people get so touchy about such stupid things. Like Dr. Greger says, it's important to not unnecessarily stress yourself out. Calm yourself
One fact concerning soy protein vs beef protein is that it takes about twenty pounds of soy protein to produce one pound of beef protein. A soy based diet is healthier, more efficient for human consumption, and better for our planet's environment.
Personally speaking, soy really bothers me unless it is first cultured or fermented. I have no issues with things like tempeh, soy yogurt, miso, tamari, etc (well natto kind of grosses me out and so haven't tried it yet), but soy milk, straight soy beans, and concentrated soy proteins make me mucousy and gassy AF. Tofu is kind of in between these, but closer to the first group, for me. My theory as to the reason why soy raises IGF levels, in large amounts, similar to meat etc, is because some of the proteins in soy are very, very hard to fully break down and so the undigested particles cause an inflammation and mucous response (to try to help move it out of the body, like it does with a foreign invading pathogen causing infection). This is where the culturing and fermenting come into play here--the probiotic microbes essentially help to predigest those very hard to digest proteins, thus making it easier for your body to fully digest/assimilate it. This is very similar to the A1 casein protein found in regular cow milk (but not in goats, sheep, buffalo, or more ancient breed of cows). Regular cow milk, makes me really mucousy, but the yogurt form doesn't bother me at all. I have no issue with pea protein concentrate.
Getting strong Jeff Goldblum vibes but great video. I wonder if quorn protein has the same effect as other plant protein sources since it's exracted from fungus?
They add crappy other ingredients to those products, which is why I avoid them. But I have no problem with fungus/mushroom proteins in a general sense.
Hi, doctor Greger! Can you make a video about studies concerning connection between polyunsaturated fats rich foods like nuts and seeds and low testosteron, please?
That was kind of addressed when the research found a bump in igf1 after 16gm of soy protein. So keep it to a decent amount, not too much and not too little.
Good to know, since I'm watching this while eating my "taco" salad with "meat" crumbles from Trader Joe's. My diet is usually very simple and plain--think raw broccoli and homemade hummus for breakfast--but I do enjoy a bit of a treat every now and then. Better than running to Taco Bell like I once would have, right?
@@GummyBall097 you can get bean burritos, potato tacos, bean/rice crunchwraps; pretty much any menu item you can make plant based by swapping the meat for beans, rice, and or potatoes, skip the cheese and sour cream, and add tomatoes and guac. If you use their app it's even easier to customize. They are also going to have Beyond crumbles soon, so you will have a vegan meat substitute!
I didn’t watch the video but I’m checking comments to see what the doc said, is he saying mock meat is healthy? Because it so isn’t It doesn’t help our case to say these things
@@BadgerBabyBoy The doctor just compared vegi protein vs animal protein. He did not say impossible burger was better. He just said vegi protein is better than animal protein for health.
From my own perspective and my husbands, we have been vegan for over 60 years between us. No major health issues UNTIL pea protein was added to vegan food. We BOTH get stomach pains and loose bowels from it. Isolating components from natural food is dangerous and unnecessary- we both do not need convincing that pea protein is unnatural- our body reactions say it all!
that's a natural reaction to higher protein intake. the first time i started consuming a large amount of protein when i was a kid, same results. body will adjust after a month or so
Impressive video. I've substituted meat with soybeans, lentils, and chickpeas. Additionally, I include soy protein powder, and occasionally hemp or pea protein powder post-exercise. Initially, I had concerns about losing weight and strength. However, I've experienced a maximum of 7% strength loss during strength training, while my cardio endurance has notably increased, with a 50% or more extension in burnout time.
@NutritionFactsOrg I have heard that unfermented soy is an anti-nutrient and that it blocks the enzyme Trypsin which affects protein digestion. The source further said that soy contains phytic acid and blocks mineral absorption. Is there any truth to that and does it affect the health benefits of consuming things like tofu, eddamami, soy milk, etc.?
As an occasional consumer soy protein isolates, I am concerned about their manufacturing process - the extraction of fat from soy beans is commonly done with a toxic solvent called hexane, which I would not be excited to consume. It would be great to have an analysis on that. E.g., would hexane be healthier than organic eggs or dairy?
@@ggscv then u should go check my comment on that video. The arsenic is mainly in US grown rice because the soil is so polluted but i got my rice from a local farmer friend who grow them on the foot of a nearby volcano. FYI Indonesia is practically a chain of 17k+ islands w/ most volcanoes. So it’s not bad news for me but maybe for u if u’r a rice eater. I suggest u go back to ur root heritage and eat what ur ancestors eat for starch.
@@ima7333 I literally just looked at some papers on arsenic content in Indonesian rice and the content varies, but even if you are eating the best organic rice which has the lowest arsenic content, it still may have a significant effect, especially if you are eating lots of rice every day. Here is the paper (done by Indonesian researchers aimed at Indonesian people), you can read it for yourself: www.orientjchem.org/vol34no5/analysis-of-arsenic-in-rice-in-medan-north-sumatera-indonesia-by-atomic-absorption-spectrophotometer/ "According to the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), arsenic is included in the first class as a carcinogenic substance and may cause lung, skin and bladder cancer in humans without a minimum threshold value in which small amounts of arsenic can be harmful to human health" "The results of this study must be a warning as serious concern because arsenic can cause cancer and high intake of rice in Medan. This can be a serious concern for the government and for next researcher it is suggested to importance of researching the source of arsenic intake from other foodstuffs so it is known the total amount of arsenic intake in Medan, Indonesia, community besides it is suggested to do research on factors influencing arsenic level in rice circulating in Medan City." Just giving you the facts, I too am from an Asian country and I try to eat as little rice as possible now because it is likely to be the main source of arsenic in peoples diets. Besides, white rice isn't that good for you anyway - go watch the nutritionfacts videos on rice and it will change your mind.
@@ggscv i did look at that paper you mentioned. What i eat these days is mixed grain rice. I like mix in some white rice that i have tested in the lab for arsenic. I don’t really care about cancer since i already got it once, lived w/ it for 2 whole yrs before an honest doctor figured it out then another 3 months before i got surgery. I’m not that worried about the arsenic i eat from the little white rice. I’d worry more about pesticide, herbicide & antibiotics from animal products that might snuck their way into my food. I’m not vegan tho i eat whole food plant based 85% of the time. I was also put on a low protein diet by a trusted doctor friend of mine.
@@ima7333 Meh, eat your Asian breakfast! These people like to scare one another into whatever they believe or read some bs that could be argued. Or just to troll. Rice has some natural arsenic but it’s supposedly low levels. But there are supposedly ways you can take some of it off by pre-boiling. I’m sure it depends too on where it was grown and the water it grows in and the soil as well. Everything is so polluted! What people are not getting, I think we will all get cancer at some point because of our water and the pesticides that is being used. I have it right now and I was suppose to be healthy. I never thought I would get this and at this age, yet here I am. It’s the damn water and I have neighbors, they use so much pesticides on their property (and only for green grass). My heart is broken from my early diagnoses, but it’s early and I’m going to fight and overcome this thing. Best
They don't show you absolute risk increase as it's so small that you wouldn't bother giving up meat. Also what they don't mention is that these 'meat eaters' in the studies are in fact Standard American Diet eaters, which is to say ultra processed food, sodas. These people are likely obese, have metabolic syndrome, hyperinsulinemia etc. These are more likely factors in the increase cancer risk.
Thank You so much for sharing this! I was wondering since my husband (to my shock and surprise) had recently changed from hard core meat eater to vegetarian (after 65 years) and loves to eat Impossible meats etc. I realize that more changes are needed in his diet but at least this makes me feel better. It’s a process, and I am hoping gradually to transition him over closer to vegan.
Long time fan with some constructive feedback for video production - I'm not sure the fullscreen Dr. Gregor presentation is working as well as the old infographic, text page focus of years past. Great looking guy with a face for television, but having him gesture next to the graphics is distracting and overall everything comes off less scholarly than it deserves to...like there's an appeal to something other than the viewer's intellect. That said, I'm sure the change of format was an informed decision at the time and I may be in the minority with my preference.
I like you so so much. From your quirky cadence to your accurate and useful use of academic source material which renders your arguments concise and trust worthy. Side note/ request: can you do a video on RDA recommended protein intakes? I find it bizarre that it's not based on lean muscle mass. I feel as if this fact renders many studies on the effects of different protein macro intakes mute. I wish more dietary studies used an MCA 'multiple correspondence analysis) to determine key variables within the variations of findings. Anyway, thank you
This is misleading because the treatment for people with type 2 diabetes is to make them insulin shot dependent. The way they want to control blood sugar levels doesn’t cure diabetes. Also cancer mortality rate is irrelevant, show us cancer development rates (still doesnt account for other environmental factors) Plus filled with contradictory information
Pea protein isolate in my experiences is the best healthy protein out there.. if you can get the organic one with affordable price that even better .. yes it maybe not max your muscle mass like whey but much healthier.. I found best mix with ur smoothies with veggies.. it curb ur hunger for snacks , when you drink it in the morning, even after 2-3 hours after lunch I dont really feel hungry or needed to eat ( usually I eat again haha ) but when I drink pea protein isolatte mix with smoothies in the morning, it curb my hunger Hope it helps
Hemp is phenomenal in that it is a complete protein in itself, with very to no side effects long / short term! If you can get the organic stuff, you're literally jetting off to fabulous health and youth
Im into recreational natural bodybuilding and I eat mostly a vegan diet with the only animal source I use is whey protein isolate, no meat, fish or eggs. I also use pea protein isolate as another protein source. From my research whey has health benefits in lowering blood pressure, making arteries more elastic and its the king protein source for building muscle. I just balance out the higher IGF-1 whey creates with intermittent fasting.
Doctor Greger, soy nutricionista, nunca dudare que el aporte en vegetales, sobre todo verduras es esencial para una buena salud así como legumbres... Le sigo y le admiro incondicionalmente por todo su aporte en información científica sobre la salud. Dicho esto, me surgen algunas dudas. Sinceramente un huevo de unas gallinas alimentadas y criadas respetuosamente no es un excelente aporte de aminoácidos para nuestro organismo? A esta alturas culpar al colesterol de las enfermedades cardiovasculares, creo que es como culpar a un bombero de un encendio por estar ahí. Quien ocasiona los daños no es el colesterol que cumple funciones muy importantes a nivel hormonal...y en su gran mayoría lo producido el cuerpo. Creo se debería hablar del problema., la causa, ya hay muchod estudios en los que han podido comprobar que el problema no es el colesterol sino la oxidación del mismo producido por radicales libres como es el azúcar.. La pirámide alimentaria esta basada sobre intereses en la industria culpando a las grasas y dando barra libre a los carbohidratos causantes de muchos padecimientos. Me gustaría se profundizará también en estos temas y no se juzge los alimentos por el hecho de ser de procedencia animal.. Sin más agradecida enormente de encontra gente que sin lucro alguno busca difundir salud 👏👏👏
There is a great brand of vegan products here in Sweden called "Anamma". Their soy burgers don't contain any coconut oil and therefore almost no saturated fat at all! And they taste great!
In Germany, finished products have repeatedly contained minerals, including isolated soy, which is carcinogenic. It often comes in during production or is transferred from the packaging to the food.
Thanks for the insight! I appreciate the explanation on how there are even differences with the proteins that we ingest, depending on the source. Getting to know that plant protein have somewhat of a different amino acid breakdown in comparison to animal protein is great to know. The comparison of IGF-1 in both sources is also something great to know, cool to know that plant protein has cancer-inhibiting properties.
This is opposite of the KETO enthusiasts belief. I just do not like the idea of high fat/meat diets. I actually _enjoy_ plant foods, fruits and vegetables. Beans, tea, nuts & seeds 👌😙
I watched a video on this channel years ago that stated that soy protein isolate can increase igf-1 levels (though not as much as meat protein). Is this no longer relevant, I.e. have better studies come along showing either this is not a problem or doesn't happen? The latter seems to be mentioned in this video. Would love some clarity as I've avoided soy protein isolate for this reason.
Yes, true. Dr Mcdougall also mentions it in his book "The starch solution". Isolated soy protein is connected to more cancers and accelerated aging. An occasional impossible burger is not going to be that damaging but living just on vegan foods based on isolated protein would be quite damaging, I think.
@@isabellezablocki7447 yes my concern is that I have been avoiding soy protein isolate based protein powder for years despite its superior bioavailability and price. I suppose until I learn more I will continue to shun it just incase.
@@garrethbyrne374 I actually find concentrated soy proteins very hard to fully digest, hence I wouldn't call it all that bioavailable. How I know this, is that it causes my body to produce A LOT of excess mucous and sometimes also gassiness/bloating. I eat a very high fiber diet, high in legumes and have minimal gas/bloating issues with things like lentils--this is something else going on here. Anyways, concentrated pea protein doesn't do either of these to me, which means that it is fully digestible, and thus more bioavailable (in the protein at least).
I have experienced this switching my diet and going vegetarian I always had high blood pressure and inflammation after about a few months of switching my well being improved more and more I do cheat and eat some fish for holidays every now and then but switching was one of the best choices I made in my life.
Dr. John McDougall, in his book The Starch Solution, states that soy protein isolates, used in these products and others, can cause harm due to risk from cancer, impaired thyroid, immune and brain function as well as cause bone damage and reproductive problems due to increased IGF1 when consumming? I have a jug of Now brand soy protein isolate, which is useful in certain recipes so should I throw it in the trash? This video would seem to say it's okay to consume (in moderation of course). I mean, I do eat the whole food source of soybeans and other peas and beans as well.
I know soy isolate does not cause inflammation. I mean if u really want to know 1st hand - u could put it to the test lol. Try drinking 2 isolates & nothing else in a day. When u wake up the next morning u would feel less inflammation than the day before or no additional inflammation. I am using it & I needed it & plan on keeping it in my diet. I use it as part of my vegetarian diet.
there is so much conflicting information on this stuff. I just want to know, Will eating Soy Protein Isolate Powder affect my testosterone levels and Can I use So Protein Isolate as a supplement to build muscles instead of Whey Protein?
Particularly tempeh I would say is far more healthy. Soy protein is really hard to digest, at least for me, and has an allergenic effect in my body unless it is first cultured or fermented. Tempeh is also pretty high in protein, while having a lot of other nutrients, and the microbes partially predigest it, making it easier for a body to fully digest it (which is why it doesn't spark that allergenic type response in self and many others). When it comes to concentrated plant proteins, I stick with pea, because it doesn't have that allergenic type effect on me.
You can get 5 lbs of lentils for one 'impossible burger patty' (aprox $5). 1 lb of lentils (3 cups) and make 8 lentil burger patties. so thats 40 lentil patties for the price of one 'impossible burger patty'. Thats 40 servings vs just 1. And you can store the lentils without refrigeration for years. Tell me again which one sounds more impossible?
If you don’t want to wait for all nine of the videos in this series to roll out on NutritionFacts.org, you can get them right now in a digital download from my webinar a few months ago. drgreger.org/collections/videos/products/plant-based-and-cultivated-meat-digital
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In your video you state that "plant protein has not been associated with increased levels of the cancer-promoting growth hormone IGF-1," however, a recent randomized controlled study of 37 patients with type II diabetes found that not to be the case. The researchers noted, "The most striking finding is that plant protein induces similar increases of IGF-1 as animal protein does....our results suggest that differences between plant vs. animal protein intake and cancer or cardiovascular risk do not arise from their effects on components of the IGF-1-system but protective properties of other components present in plant-based diets." The study is titled, "Similar dietary regulation of IGF-1- and IGF-binding proteins by animal and plant protein in subjects with type 2 diabetes."
@@scorpion55x Who funded that study? Just asking 🤔
@@edrabogucki401 Grant funding from the government of Germany, Federal Ministry of Food and Agriculture, which oversees all food including meat, vegetables, fruits, etc.
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This was the most coherent microlecture on the relative benefits and risks of plant protein vs animal products I've heard yet. I'll be sharing as widely as I can.
Well You Cant Stop Eating Unless You Dont Want To Be Around Much Longer.
Ok, score one for plant-based burgers! Thanks for sharing, doc!
Technically score 2. He did another video showing the healthiness of plant burgers.
@@hynjus001 I don't have big muscles, but why would I? I am a muscian and Capoeirista, what good would it be? I am still able to do demanding workouts and acrobatics, practise a lot and recover fast. Not everyone has to look like the Hulk. But there absolutely are muscular vegans and world class athletes if you'd care to seach for them.
Anyway, all the best
@Black Sperm Well i got a pretty decent build, so it's definitely possible to build muscle on a plant-based diet if that is what you want
@Black Sperm i don't think im delusional , I have gotten several complements for my right bicep from different people lol. Thought i am not 100% vegan, im just plant-based
@Black Sperm Watch the movie "Game Changers" if you get a chance......one of the strongest men in the world is a VEGAN.....so your argument about eating animal protein for strength is ridiculous.....and not only that, plant based diet provides you with LOTS of endurance as well.......
Thank you for this information. I have often wondered about isolated plant protein and its health effects or benefits.
Wow, this is the first time in all these years watching these videos that I can say my mind is blown. I honestly did not expect this outcome.
Interestingly, the researchers concluded, that they did not find a significant difference between protein isolate products and whole food sources, “suggesting that the cholesterol-lowering effects are at least, in part, attributable to the plant protein itself rather than just the associated nutrients.” So, it’s not just because plant protein travels with fiber or less saturated fat. Plant proteins break down into a different distribution of amino acids; and so, it’s like if you give people arginine, an amino acid found more in plant foods, that alone can bring down people’s cholesterol. And even plant protein concentrates used in these products aren’t pure protein, retaining a few active compounds such as phytosterols and antioxidants, which also can have beneficial effects.
~ Interesting. Thanks 👌
@@jamescalifornia2964 The above was taken from the NF website, under the video click on "View transcript"
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I can’t find one other plant based doctor who agrees with that.
There’s lots of fat and sat. Fat and sodium. I’d like to know more and I’d also like to know who funded that study.
Honestly it sounds great I’d love to have an impossible whopper now and then and know it’s not as bad as it was originally mad out to be but I find it hard to believe that all these isolated don’t do some harm. Mostly I’d love to know who funded that study.
Soy protein isolate is a potent cortisol suppressor. Not something you want to eat too much of if you have an inflammatory disorder.
Thank you so much, Dr Greger, for all you do for the benefit of everyone... and the planet!
Great to know. You can get things like TVP or TSP at stores and make your own plant based burgers/meats. That's what I do but I leave out all the extra fat. I've been trying to perfect my fat-free alternative meats since so many of the recipes call for a ton of oils to make the 'meat' taste good!
And cheaper too🙌
I know I have made a very simple black bean burger with crushed walnuts. It’s good and men like this burger so I’m saying we can do this. One ingredient that is a must have in a plant-based burger is smoked paprika. I ran out and it did not taste the same.
Hes got a vid on the “protein myth” too. Great watch.
So glad you have our backs.and fronts. And innards.
Lol 👍🏻
Beyond Meat is toxic to rats lmao.
Pea protein has to be made in china because the chemical process has to be done on a cellular level. The chemicals used is so toxic it’s dumped in Chinas waters… LMAO.
Oooh it doesn’t have saturated fats…
But it’s okay that it has chemicals that most American consumers have no idea how it’s made. Metals etc.
That rats won’t eat it, I’m sure that’s better,
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He has my heart. ❤
Fact-checking can _never_ be set aside no matter the speaker. Bean and rice burritos routinely have more sodium, sometimes far more sodium, than an Impossible burger patty. So.... he does well when he gets his data and comparatives correct; not so much when he doesn't--like anyone else in the diet wars.
I was ready to quit the plant based diet until I found beyond meat. That stuff is delicious!
Awesome! This is the news I've been waiting for.
Dr Gregg er should win a noble prize for all his love, and dedication to trying to educate and encourage people 💖👍🏻🦋
You thaught me too well Dr Greger. When i saw the title i immediately said "it depends to what it's compared to" without thinkin too much. If course there are healthier foods but if you want that taste and feeling it's hard to go for something else.
Love my soy curl shawarma every now and then
They serve crazy good "mushroom floss" skewers at my local shawarma place!
Where can I find “soy curls”?
Amazon! Butler's website also has them!
Soy Curls are sold at Natural Grocers (in the US), also on Amazon
For what it's worth, Soy Curls aren't protein isolate. They have exactly the same carbs, fat, protein and fiber as whole beans.
When it comes to just me, I don't like to eat these replacement products any more, I'm all in on whole foods. But they help me to slowly nudge family members into a vegan diet. Good to have some knowledge to back it up!
_Beyond Burger_ is very tasty 👌
@@jamescalifornia2964 Well, perhaps, but when I first put one into my pan at home, I was surprised at how greasy it was... And filling my home with all sorts of smells I had banned from it quite some ago. I guess that sort of product is just not for me any more.
So,how healthy is vegan protein powder consumption?
Do you reccomend it,or we should be extra aware of its protein sources?
Thank you Dr Greger!
Watch the video again ... he answers your question there.
It's surprising, I thought that these products would be much more unhealthy. Of course, there is way too much salt, and the cocunut fat sucks. Nothing beats lentils but its good to know that on an occasional basis, it's not so bad. Awesome series Dr Greger, thanks for sharing.
Well said.
You can also buy the just concentrated pea protein that has very little else in it. And you can add some of that to say a combo lentil quinoa type patty you make, and that way you can control what goes in there.
@@justinw1765do you know how plant protein is made? It’s not ground up peas…
It’s done on a cellular level, breaking protein bonds, etc.
They have to use harsh chemicals to do this. It’s so toxic it’s not allowed to be done in America, so it’s done in Chinas so it can be dumped in their waters.
There’s a reason why REAL dieticians wouldn’t recommend eating it.
It’s even toxic to rats… RATS.
Better stick to Whole Foods plant based because beyond meat/ Impossible meat is no way good for you.
Yes! This is why I stayed away from these products for years. But NOW Beyond Meat has products made with AVOCADO oil, instead of coconut oil. It’s MUCH less saturated fat! And they are absolutely delicious! Once in a while, it’s OK! If it’s once a month, that’s one meal out of 150 or so. The important thing is one’s nutritional intake in the context of decades of life!
Does anyone here have any insights on rice protein isolate and arsen?
Thanks for the great vidoe !
Cheers
@Max Ragged
It's irrelevant whether it's natural. Cyanide is natural, so is cancer or lethal birth defects.
Until you....put it to the test!
Thank god for Michael Greger.
Oh wow, this was unexpected, I thought it would be the other way around. Cool to know that these things are not as bad to indulge in occasionally.
The worst thing about these products is all the stupid comments you'll get from your nonvegan friends.
I am not so good with English, so I couldn't understand, is it okay to eat soy isolate protein? Thanks in advance :)
@@hmarat9 for good health it's best to eat mostly whole plant foods.
@@monster762 So, the isolated soy protein is not good thing for long term health? :)
@@hmarat9 it's fine once or twice a week, probably not a good idea to eat it every day. Stick to mostly whole plant foods or minimally processed food like tofu or tempeh.
I love everything about this guy! What a gift to us all.
Beyond Sausage is quite tasty, I crumble and sprinkle it in veggie burritos.. for extra flavor.
Well, obviously they are going to try an replicate the flavor of the animal versions, and since majority of the tasty flavors from animal flesh comes from fat & plant spices they usually can replicate the flavors successfully.
@BenBenson Great and that's awsome, but keep in mind most of these meat substitutes are replicas of the oringinals(derived from animals) Therefore, to virtue signal, and be appalled because the replicas taste too similar to the oringinals is asinine; The products are obviously not meant for individuals who feel that way.
@BenBenson you were giving that air off though, so her comment wasn't a far jump. Communicating well will help you get your point across.
Side note: I'll never understand why people get so touchy about such stupid things. Like Dr. Greger says, it's important to not unnecessarily stress yourself out. Calm yourself
Thanks!
One fact concerning soy protein vs beef protein is that it takes about twenty pounds of soy protein to produce one pound of beef protein. A soy based diet is healthier, more efficient for human consumption, and better for our planet's environment.
Personally speaking, soy really bothers me unless it is first cultured or fermented. I have no issues with things like tempeh, soy yogurt, miso, tamari, etc (well natto kind of grosses me out and so haven't tried it yet), but soy milk, straight soy beans, and concentrated soy proteins make me mucousy and gassy AF. Tofu is kind of in between these, but closer to the first group, for me. My theory as to the reason why soy raises IGF levels, in large amounts, similar to meat etc, is because some of the proteins in soy are very, very hard to fully break down and so the undigested particles cause an inflammation and mucous response (to try to help move it out of the body, like it does with a foreign invading pathogen causing infection). This is where the culturing and fermenting come into play here--the probiotic microbes essentially help to predigest those very hard to digest proteins, thus making it easier for your body to fully digest/assimilate it. This is very similar to the A1 casein protein found in regular cow milk (but not in goats, sheep, buffalo, or more ancient breed of cows). Regular cow milk, makes me really mucousy, but the yogurt form doesn't bother me at all.
I have no issue with pea protein concentrate.
Does anyone have any info and opinion on plant-based protein powders?
I want to know this too
They have high levels of heavy metals in them. Mic the Vegan did a video on this.
More about peas please!
Getting strong Jeff Goldblum vibes but great video. I wonder if quorn protein has the same effect as other plant protein sources since it's exracted from fungus?
They add crappy other ingredients to those products, which is why I avoid them. But I have no problem with fungus/mushroom proteins in a general sense.
Hi, doctor Greger! Can you make a video about studies concerning connection between polyunsaturated fats rich foods like nuts and seeds and low testosteron, please?
What about the concern raised in your older videos regarding soy protein isolate and a spike in igf-1?
That was kind of addressed when the research found a bump in igf1 after 16gm of soy protein. So keep it to a decent amount, not too much and not too little.
@@ladym.9268 Oh thanks. How much would 16g of soy protein be? Like in terms of one soy burger or one block of tofu?
@@ScrambleBandOfficial I think the video touched on that. And Google can also tell you.
Good to know, since I'm watching this while eating my "taco" salad with "meat" crumbles from Trader Joe's. My diet is usually very simple and plain--think raw broccoli and homemade hummus for breakfast--but I do enjoy a bit of a treat every now and then. Better than running to Taco Bell like I once would have, right?
Broccoli is my favorite thing to dip in hummus! Makes a great snack or side dish for any meal and the humus makes the raw broccoli much more palatable
Pshh, you can get great whole plant food meals at Taco Bell!
@@alexisbeshara2321 would you mind elaborating how?
whenever I go to taco bell, i usually just get cheesy bean/rice burritos and beef burritos
@@GummyBall097 you can get bean burritos, potato tacos, bean/rice crunchwraps; pretty much any menu item you can make plant based by swapping the meat for beans, rice, and or potatoes, skip the cheese and sour cream, and add tomatoes and guac. If you use their app it's even easier to customize. They are also going to have Beyond crumbles soon, so you will have a vegan meat substitute!
As usual, processed plant proteins can be great, as long as they are a part of a varied and healthy diet
Fascinating. I have never tried those burgers. I'm not sure if I am interested in them, but this is great to know.
That's fantastic news. I love impossible burgers. So whenever I crave a burger I go for impossible burgers.
Yes, the only problem with Impossible Burgers is that they use GMO corn.
Not to mention the high saturated fat.
I didn’t watch the video but I’m checking comments to see what the doc said, is he saying mock meat is healthy? Because it so isn’t
It doesn’t help our case to say these things
@@BadgerBabyBoy why don't you watch the video!
@@BadgerBabyBoy The doctor just compared vegi protein vs animal protein. He did not say impossible burger was better. He just said vegi protein is better than animal protein for health.
From my own perspective and my husbands, we have been vegan for over 60 years between us. No major health issues UNTIL pea protein was added to vegan food. We BOTH get stomach pains and loose bowels from it. Isolating components from natural food is dangerous and unnecessary- we both do not need convincing that pea protein is unnatural- our body reactions say it all!
that's a natural reaction to higher protein intake. the first time i started consuming a large amount of protein when i was a kid, same results. body will adjust after a month or so
If I had to choose between oatmeal and chicken eggs I'd go with the eggs.
Dr. Greger is my #1 fav nutritionist. Please keep making your wonderful videos !......😄
Impressive video. I've substituted meat with soybeans, lentils, and chickpeas. Additionally, I include soy protein powder, and occasionally hemp or pea protein powder post-exercise. Initially, I had concerns about losing weight and strength. However, I've experienced a maximum of 7% strength loss during strength training, while my cardio endurance has notably increased, with a 50% or more extension in burnout time.
So do u recommend soy protein over whey protein?
@NutritionFactsOrg I have heard that unfermented soy is an anti-nutrient and that it blocks the enzyme Trypsin which affects protein digestion. The source further said that soy contains phytic acid and blocks mineral absorption. Is there any truth to that and does it affect the health benefits of consuming things like tofu, eddamami, soy milk, etc.?
What about metal contamination and the fact that they use many agrochemicals to cultivate it?.
Oatmeal is better than eggs?
Hey Doc, what about the DIAAS score differences between plant based proteins and meat/egg?
Short, sharp and just EXCELLENT, as always.
As an occasional consumer soy protein isolates, I am concerned about their manufacturing process - the extraction of fat from soy beans is commonly done with a toxic solvent called hexane, which I would not be excited to consume. It would be great to have an analysis on that. E.g., would hexane be healthier than organic eggs or dairy?
@@zummingsky there's no hexane left in the protein after the process is completed
Love this. Thanks for the excitement around nuanced scientific conversation 😁
Nestle sponsor his papers......tells you everything.
That is such a cool study. It makes me happy to revert to my Asian breakfast of rice + veggies w/ some tofu/tempeh.
Got some bad news for you about rice and arsenic, go check out the videos about it.
@@ggscv then u should go check my comment on that video. The arsenic is mainly in US grown rice because the soil is so polluted but i got my rice from a local farmer friend who grow them on the foot of a nearby volcano. FYI Indonesia is practically a chain of 17k+ islands w/ most volcanoes. So it’s not bad news for me but maybe for u if u’r a rice eater. I suggest u go back to ur root heritage and eat what ur ancestors eat for starch.
@@ima7333 I literally just looked at some papers on arsenic content in Indonesian rice and the content varies, but even if you are eating the best organic rice which has the lowest arsenic content, it still may have a significant effect, especially if you are eating lots of rice every day. Here is the paper (done by Indonesian researchers aimed at Indonesian people), you can read it for yourself:
www.orientjchem.org/vol34no5/analysis-of-arsenic-in-rice-in-medan-north-sumatera-indonesia-by-atomic-absorption-spectrophotometer/
"According to the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), arsenic is included in the first class as a carcinogenic substance and may cause lung, skin and bladder cancer in humans without a minimum threshold value in which small amounts of arsenic can be harmful to human health"
"The results of this study must be a warning as serious concern because arsenic can cause cancer and high intake of rice in Medan. This can be a serious concern for the government and for next researcher it is suggested to importance of researching the source of arsenic intake from other foodstuffs so it is known the total amount of arsenic intake in Medan, Indonesia, community besides it is suggested to do research on factors influencing arsenic level in rice circulating in Medan City."
Just giving you the facts, I too am from an Asian country and I try to eat as little rice as possible now because it is likely to be the main source of arsenic in peoples diets. Besides, white rice isn't that good for you anyway - go watch the nutritionfacts videos on rice and it will change your mind.
@@ggscv i did look at that paper you mentioned. What i eat these days is mixed grain rice. I like mix in some white rice that i have tested in the lab for arsenic. I don’t really care about cancer since i already got it once, lived w/ it for 2 whole yrs before an honest doctor figured it out then another 3 months before i got surgery. I’m not that worried about the arsenic i eat from the little white rice. I’d worry more about pesticide, herbicide & antibiotics from animal products that might snuck their way into my food. I’m not vegan tho i eat whole food plant based 85% of the time. I was also put on a low protein diet by a trusted doctor friend of mine.
@@ima7333 Meh, eat your Asian breakfast! These people like to scare one another into whatever they believe or read some bs that could be argued. Or just to troll. Rice has some natural arsenic but it’s supposedly low levels. But there are supposedly ways you can take some of it off by pre-boiling. I’m sure it depends too on where it was grown and the water it grows in and the soil as well. Everything is so polluted! What people are not getting, I think we will all get cancer at some point because of our water and the pesticides that is being used. I have it right now and I was suppose to be healthy. I never thought I would get this and at this age, yet here I am. It’s the damn water and I have neighbors, they use so much pesticides on their property (and only for green grass). My heart is broken from my early diagnoses, but it’s early and I’m going to fight and overcome this thing. Best
They don't show you absolute risk increase as it's so small that you wouldn't bother giving up meat.
Also what they don't mention is that these 'meat eaters' in the studies are in fact Standard American Diet eaters, which is to say ultra processed food, sodas. These people are likely obese, have metabolic syndrome, hyperinsulinemia etc. These are more likely factors in the increase cancer risk.
great timing after vegsource uploaded dr mcdougals talk on this subject, i was hangin for a newer perspective
It's the isolated processed soy thats the issue from my understanding. Pea protein i don't feel is bad. What did you come up with?
What about protein powder?
Fully plant-based yes
Moral of the story. Whole foods plant based where possible !
Thank you so much for all you do, Dr. Greger!
Thank You so much for sharing this! I was wondering since my husband (to my shock and surprise) had recently changed from hard core meat eater to vegetarian (after 65 years) and loves to eat Impossible meats etc. I realize that more changes are needed in his diet but at least this makes me feel better. It’s a process, and I am hoping gradually to transition him over closer to vegan.
Impossible burgers are made with GMOs.
You’re making your husband less attractive by putting him on a vegan diet.
Long time fan with some constructive feedback for video production - I'm not sure the fullscreen Dr. Gregor presentation is working as well as the old infographic, text page focus of years past. Great looking guy with a face for television, but having him gesture next to the graphics is distracting and overall everything comes off less scholarly than it deserves to...like there's an appeal to something other than the viewer's intellect. That said, I'm sure the change of format was an informed decision at the time and I may be in the minority with my preference.
One of the best "... untill you put it to the test!"s so far!
Excellent content......again
Bless You
Dr. G
Thanks again for the education with backed-up reliable sources
Good news for the vegan meat lover. Thx Dr. G.
this video makes me wanna be a vegan 🙂
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Don't we need cholesterol, to make every hormone our bodies run on ?????
Shhhhhhh, let the morons ruin their bodies.
I like you so so much. From your quirky cadence to your accurate and useful use of academic source material which renders your arguments concise and trust worthy. Side note/ request: can you do a video on RDA recommended protein intakes? I find it bizarre that it's not based on lean muscle mass. I feel as if this fact renders many studies on the effects of different protein macro intakes mute. I wish more dietary studies used an MCA 'multiple correspondence analysis) to determine key variables within the variations of findings. Anyway, thank you
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This is misleading because the treatment for people with type 2 diabetes is to make them insulin shot dependent. The way they want to control blood sugar levels doesn’t cure diabetes.
Also cancer mortality rate is irrelevant, show us cancer development rates (still doesnt account for other environmental factors)
Plus filled with contradictory information
So much info I have to watch it 3, 4 times, love it!
Pea protein isolate in my experiences is the best healthy protein out there.. if you can get the organic one with affordable price that even better .. yes it maybe not max your muscle mass like whey but much healthier.. I found best mix with ur smoothies with veggies.. it curb ur hunger for snacks , when you drink it in the morning, even after 2-3 hours after lunch I dont really feel hungry or needed to eat ( usually I eat again haha ) but when I drink pea protein isolatte mix with smoothies in the morning, it curb my hunger
Hope it helps
Why would it not "max your muscle mass" like whey?
Yes ,its also much better for digestion compared to whey protein
Just ordered my first vegan protein powder today,, pea, rice and hemp based
So nice to know now its a good addition to my vegan diet! TY!!
Hemp is phenomenal in that it is a complete protein in itself, with very to no side effects long / short term! If you can get the organic stuff, you're literally jetting off to fabulous health and youth
VivoLife?
Im into recreational natural bodybuilding and I eat mostly a vegan diet with the only animal source I use is whey protein isolate, no meat, fish or eggs. I also use pea protein isolate as another protein source. From my research whey has health benefits in lowering blood pressure, making arteries more elastic and its the king protein source for building muscle. I just balance out the higher IGF-1 whey creates with intermittent fasting.
How about plant protien isolates on the liver? Would plant protein help with FLD?
Doctor Greger, soy nutricionista, nunca dudare que el aporte en vegetales, sobre todo verduras es esencial para una buena salud así como legumbres... Le sigo y le admiro incondicionalmente por todo su aporte en información científica sobre la salud. Dicho esto, me surgen algunas dudas. Sinceramente un huevo de unas gallinas alimentadas y criadas respetuosamente no es un excelente aporte de aminoácidos para nuestro organismo?
A esta alturas culpar al colesterol de las enfermedades cardiovasculares, creo que es como culpar a un bombero de un encendio por estar ahí. Quien ocasiona los daños no es el colesterol que cumple funciones muy importantes a nivel hormonal...y en su gran mayoría lo producido el cuerpo. Creo se debería hablar del problema., la causa, ya hay muchod estudios en los que han podido comprobar que el problema no es el colesterol sino la oxidación del mismo producido por radicales libres como es el azúcar..
La pirámide alimentaria esta basada sobre intereses en la industria culpando a las grasas y dando barra libre a los carbohidratos causantes de muchos padecimientos.
Me gustaría se profundizará también en estos temas y no se juzge los alimentos por el hecho de ser de procedencia animal..
Sin más agradecida enormente de encontra gente que sin lucro alguno busca difundir salud 👏👏👏
Beyond Meat burgers do not use coconut oil, but Impossible does.
There is a great brand of vegan products here in Sweden called "Anamma". Their soy burgers don't contain any coconut oil and therefore almost no saturated fat at all! And they taste great!
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What are you doing sir
In Germany, finished products have repeatedly contained minerals, including isolated soy, which is carcinogenic. It often comes in during production or is transferred from the packaging to the food.
This guys bought out
...Many people eat processed meat in sandwiches. I did years ago ....🥴🥴
Thanks for the insight! I appreciate the explanation on how there are even differences with the proteins that we ingest, depending on the source. Getting to know that plant protein have somewhat of a different amino acid breakdown in comparison to animal protein is great to know. The comparison of IGF-1 in both sources is also something great to know, cool to know that plant protein has cancer-inhibiting properties.
This is opposite of the KETO enthusiasts belief. I just do not like the idea of high fat/meat diets. I actually _enjoy_ plant foods, fruits and vegetables.
Beans, tea, nuts & seeds 👌😙
Thank you for your work. This is vital information!
Every nonvegan: Plant-based meat is actually healthier than meat?
Dr. Greger: YES!
thank you
I watched a video on this channel years ago that stated that soy protein isolate can increase igf-1 levels (though not as much as meat protein). Is this no longer relevant, I.e. have better studies come along showing either this is not a problem or doesn't happen? The latter seems to be mentioned in this video.
Would love some clarity as I've avoided soy protein isolate for this reason.
Yes, true. Dr Mcdougall also mentions it in his book "The starch solution". Isolated soy protein is connected to more cancers and accelerated aging. An occasional impossible burger is not going to be that damaging but living just on vegan foods based on isolated protein would be quite damaging, I think.
@@isabellezablocki7447 yes my concern is that I have been avoiding soy protein isolate based protein powder for years despite its superior bioavailability and price. I suppose until I learn more I will continue to shun it just incase.
@@garrethbyrne374 I think it's a good idea
@@garrethbyrne374 I actually find concentrated soy proteins very hard to fully digest, hence I wouldn't call it all that bioavailable. How I know this, is that it causes my body to produce A LOT of excess mucous and sometimes also gassiness/bloating. I eat a very high fiber diet, high in legumes and have minimal gas/bloating issues with things like lentils--this is something else going on here.
Anyways, concentrated pea protein doesn't do either of these to me, which means that it is fully digestible, and thus more bioavailable (in the protein at least).
Soy & soy isolate helped me a lot. Tried hclf vegan many times & personally I get inflammation.
Love the passion you speak with...
Pea + rice isolat better than Whey 😋
Remarkable.
I have experienced this switching my diet and going vegetarian I always had high blood pressure and inflammation after about a few months of switching my well being improved more and more I do cheat and eat some fish for holidays every now and then but switching was one of the best choices I made in my life.
Dr. John McDougall, in his book The Starch Solution, states that soy protein isolates, used in these products and others, can cause harm due to risk from cancer, impaired thyroid, immune and brain function as well as cause bone damage and reproductive problems due to increased IGF1 when consumming? I have a jug of Now brand soy protein isolate, which is useful in certain recipes so should I throw it in the trash? This video would seem to say it's okay to consume (in moderation of course). I mean, I do eat the whole food source of soybeans and other peas and beans as well.
I know soy isolate does not cause inflammation. I mean if u really want to know 1st hand - u could put it to the test lol.
Try drinking 2 isolates & nothing else in a day. When u wake up the next morning u would feel less inflammation than the day before or no additional inflammation.
I am using it & I needed it & plan on keeping it in my diet. I use it as part of my vegetarian diet.
i remember back in 2010, everyone demonized soy, and that legacy has stuck, even in my head, even knowing there's nothing wrong with it
there is so much conflicting information on this stuff. I just want to know, Will eating Soy Protein Isolate Powder affect my testosterone levels and Can I use So Protein Isolate as a supplement to build muscles instead of Whey Protein?
This is very disappointing. If you can read the label on impossible burger I give you a credit. You can't understand the ingredients
Thank you so much.
Is there a video on coconut oil?
I wish the video title was directly mentioned. I still don’t know if soy isolates are acceptable
What about the health effects of using a more processed soy protein like TVP in comparison to having tempeh or tofu?
Particularly tempeh I would say is far more healthy. Soy protein is really hard to digest, at least for me, and has an allergenic effect in my body unless it is first cultured or fermented. Tempeh is also pretty high in protein, while having a lot of other nutrients, and the microbes partially predigest it, making it easier for a body to fully digest it (which is why it doesn't spark that allergenic type response in self and many others).
When it comes to concentrated plant proteins, I stick with pea, because it doesn't have that allergenic type effect on me.
'm sorry Doctor. The ingredients list reads too much like a science lab experiment.
Is tofu considered a protein isolate?
Excellent as ever
What about hexane in soy protein isolate? Is there any truth to that?
Great question! I have come across many folk preaching about the danger of hexane associated with Soy isolates
That shouldn't be an issue if the soy is organic/non-gmo.
Brilliant, love it!
Should cancer patients eat fruits?
no
You can get 5 lbs of lentils for one 'impossible burger patty' (aprox $5).
1 lb of lentils (3 cups) and make 8 lentil burger patties. so thats 40 lentil patties for the price of one 'impossible burger patty'. Thats 40 servings vs just 1. And you can store the lentils without refrigeration for years.
Tell me again which one sounds more impossible?