The thing with that is Kaneki acquired that trait from Jason from seeing it in a time of desperation and sorrow, it stayed with him because he cannibalized.
Andre Lyew normally I would agree, but Jason used it for many reasons, power, self control, to unhinge himself to name a few, Kaneki also used it as a way to cope at the start. However throughout the rest of the story the finger crack slowly loses all of its meaning and how it helped Kaneki, he starts to make it his own. He does this with a lot of things but those others never change meaning. Which led me to believe that the only reason Kaneki still finger cracks till the end is because it’s a trait he can’t get rid off because he ate Jason. It’s both a mental thing but also a ghoul thing.
@@Sufferents i think as kaneki said to Naki that he ''vizualizes'' Yamori because he thinks about him as a strength symbol (chapter 104 from :re), adding that to all the moments that he cracks his finger in :re (just moments when he needs the ''strengh'') makes me think that is a thing that he does on purpose (like clicking a swtich), like a ''Heisenberg putting the hat thing'' (where Walther White finds himself on a difficult situation so he puts his hat and transforms himself in Heisenberg, ''the powerfull guy who can take care of everything'') nothing related to the cannibalism in my understanding .
@@syalem What I said above boiled down to, the only reason Kaneki kept that *finger cracking* was because he cannibalized on Jason. He embodied a trait that was completely different to Jason's and comparing to when he was tortured to randomly cracking his finger are 2 completely different ideals. You are overall right, I just felt that there was always a more cemented reason *after* everything. (Helps ground Kaneki a lot better)
In wild, dangerous Australia, we see the rare Dresrosa, an astronomer of his tribe, teaching the younger and older tribemates about eating each other out, savagley, and possibly (definitely) sexualy. -Shu Tsukiyama
Would it really be cool to be a ghoul? Have you even read Tokyo Ghoul? Do you understand what a lot of the (more humane) ghouls go through everyday? What having to kill someone to be able to eat?Would you be okay with that?
Oof I'm doing a micro biology major and that sounds complicated. I would say that rc cells may resemble stem cells in how they differentiate like that. Perhaps cells that can revert back to a simple rc cell like induced stem cells with sox2 and all that. The kakuhou are located on the back perhaps to stop the cells from effecting major organs when the proliferate and contract. The location is probably due to genetic characteristics. I could maybe go on but this will be too long , good luck
@@spawnofcrotalvl4038 I was thinking more, cause it was kinda fun. So why they have durable skin is that the rc cells are spread through their body I think it moves in the blood stream. Blood does flow through the skin which may be why their skins is durable, perhaps it migrates through the vessel to the developing skin. Their eyes being black maybe predatorial to absorb more light at night time cause people are usually inactive at night and they are less likely to be seen. There are red pigments in the eye that go in conjunction with others but it might play a roll in scaring people at night time. Finally the rc cells themselves may have been an organism itself originally like how chloroplasts and mitochondria were theorized to originate. Somehow it integrate itself with humans , cause humans and ghouls have rc cells. The humans that aren't ghouls are an earlier integration of the rc cells, the ghouls are people that have a more developed rc cell production.why ghouls have altered taste buds to humans is to replenish rc cells cause it might be too taxing for the cells to regenerate, proliferate etc at high rates to sustain their kakuhous and kagune.
@Dis guy I also theorized that, since kakugan are a byproduct of Rc cells activating, ghouls developed the ability for their eyes to turn black for exactly that: a hunting mechanism. I’m also thinking the red is some sort of intimidation tactic >:D Also, my friend and I figure that Rc cells are a non-Newtonian fluid due to the fact they can be called “liquid muscle” and because kagune (which are made of Rc cells) can sharpen and harden at will. I’m just struggling with the “woven like steel fibers” bit. Maybe Rc cells have a largeer amount of metal in their makeup than normal cells because of this? As well as the fact that eating solely humans means a larger iron intake (I know iron isn’t steel, but hey this is fictional)
@@spawnofcrotalvl4038 could be just a protein that is woven and strong inter molecular interactions. Silk is stronger than steel, keratin is pretty strong too like for horns. When they retract the kagune it might be the protein being denatured.
I always had my own theory on the finger cracking. I think Yamori started cracking his fingers because the centipede that was planted into his ear creates similar sounds. He describes that the sound of a centipede in your ear never leaves your mind, so the cracking of fingers could be a replication of the centipede’s erratic movements in his ears. This would explain why Ken starts cracking his fingers since he also suffered the centipede torture. It would make sense since the idea of centipedes continues to have a large affect on his mentality, even manifesting itself as his half-kakuja form and later when he desperately cannibalises the Oggai in which he has a monologue where he describes himself as ‘a centipede’. Seeing as how the centipede has so much of an effect on his mind, it would make sense why the finger cracking sticks with him as a product of this affected mentality. Just my idea though, I’ve always thought that the finger cracking would come from something more than just seeing Yamori do it.
Skee S but yamori himself got that habbit by getting tourtired in coahlea and seeing the investigator do it so maybe a mix of both symbolism and just seeing it happen?
That’s my point, seeing it happen and also having that symbolic centipede in your ear would turn finger-cracking into a habbit. I can’t imagine Ya ori and Ken would just start finger-cracking because someone who is causing them unimaginable pain did it.
i guess that the "increase in speed" could also connects to Arata and the arata joker quinque suit that juuzou wears and the original arata suits used by kuroiwa and shinohara as Arata Kirishima cannibalized and somewhat gave birth to these suits
Here's my theory: At the beginning, there were only ghouls that exists. They were a species with some slightly unbalanced genes due to them being a newly evolved species, mostly they would live like humans used to live, eating other animals(straight up eating it, killing it *in the process*) or cannibalising on other ghouls(which creates kakujas). Until they slowly had the idea of morality, "good and bad" and the idea of food preservation, some of them had tried to kill the animals beforehand like we do nowadays, removing the torturing part of being eaten alive from the process and they are able to preserve the food by cooking or other processes. The majority of the species saw this as a good idea since sometimes it's hard to hunt for food. Due to their ever so slightly unbalanced genes from the start, they slowly adapted to eating processed* meat(cooked or preserved) and their bodies slowly evolved to eating processed meat, some even evolved to omnivores since agriculture is easier compared to hunting down wild animals. This then created humans. They stopped hunting and started to rear animals, meaning they no longer require the extra physique, healing factor and kagunes, causing these traits to slowly be gone from their genetic tree. The minority of the species saw this as a setback, they continued have the same lifestyle as before. The humans saw the behaviour and lifestyle of the ghouls to be barbaric and uncivilised, the ghouls had become outcasts. With this causing fear and anger within the ghouls, they had humans set as their enemies. They had begun eating humans as a result. This passive war against each other slowly imprinted within them and their genes, making them natural enemies. Compared to other animals, humans are the most nutritious since they are usually well fed and are well built. The ghouls slowly switched their main source of food to be humans. Having these events and factors going for a long time, the two slowly became two distinct species rather than one. The genes of the two species then slowly stabilized as time had passed, creating the two very different yet similar species, ghouls and humans. This would explain why there are ghouls from all over the world since mutations are usually random and the chances of several identical mutations occuring around the globe is pretty low, this would explain why they are everywhere and scattered. It would also explain kagunes, since cannibalising wouldn't just have created kagunes, so if they were to have it from the start as a species, it would make more sense. Same goes to RC cells. The humans had no use of it, so their RC cells became dormant and unused. Explains why humans even had RC cells in the first place.
Personal theory is that Ghouls where a strange yet natural evolution of a human population. Nature often tries to balance things so why not give the most chaotic species on the planet a natural predator. Of course after thousands of years things change and now at the end of the series both species are now trying to coexist.
I feel that ghouls would come near the modern area (maybe near the end of the industrial rev?), because if they came in a tribal time wouldn't they have just destroyed all of humanity cos humans back then probably didn't have the intelligence and wits to create something to fight back, not even the simplest possible quinque. My theory is that since all humans are born with rc cells maybe they are grown during the pregnancy of the parent and maybe they give some sustenance to the human (but without them it'd be next to no different), so maybe some human was born with a defect where their rc cells didn't stop growing at birth and they continued to grow. Then it was a human ghoul, like a human with a really weak kagune, so as the ghoul ate it would grow stronger and maybe there were other defect humans (i'll call the rc growing humans defect humans) that existed, and they breeded to create ghouls. Then ghouls slowly grew and grew stronger as the generations went by until the state the ghouls species is in. I got the idea of 'RC cells growing in the pregnancy but ending at the birth' idea because I mean, during pregnancy everything is made so if RC cells exist in humans they would be made at the birth (maybe), so there is a possibility that ONE human was born weird. Although the rc cells could have begun growing at adult hood ( explaining why they didn't kill the child when it was young when they found out 'oh shat this aint gud'.) If it were adult hood it would be much stronger. So the story would be, Baby born -> Baby rapidly grows in rc cells -> baby is now ghoul Or : Baby born -> happy life until adult hood -> Adult baby want human flesh -> Adult baby nom nom on humans -> Adult baby meet others like it (highly likely that there are) -> Adult baby breeds and creates more ghouls.
I like your comment, it brings some good ideas. I think ghouls could've existed in "the era of tribes", if a ghoul were to be born in a really small tribe then sure the ghoul would eat the tribe then die due to starvation. Chances are that the first ghoul was born in a bigger tribe(more offsprings leads to more chances for the mutation to occur and even in a bigger tribe incest would still be a thing). A single ghoul could survive feeding on a bigger tribe without killing it, a couple of ghouls let's say couldn't so one of the ghouls would die due to scarcer resources(the tribe wouldn't necessarily be wiped out, maybe they would go into hiding until the threat passes). It's just like with rabbits and wolves, basic predator-prey relationship - more rabbits leads to more wolves, less rabbits leads to less wolves.
Ghouls didn't just manifest through a few years of cannibalism. Centuries of incest and cannibalism since tribal eras are what would lead to a slow progression of the manifestation of ghoulkind. They would not have been able to overtake human societies because they were not even near as powerful as the ghouls in the modern world of Tokyo Ghoul because of how early this history of breeding is in the timeline.
Please make another video like this if there’s something else you think could connect with this. Maybe humans are descendants of ghouls. I feel there are some lovecraft vibes with origin but who knows.
There are three countries that ghouls have been known to come from to my knowledge. Japan obviously, Russia due to the Pope ghoul being said to be Russian, and China due to Tatara. Ghouls perhaps may only be present in the old world. As to my knowledge we haven’t seen a American ghoul.
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I've always thought this to have been the case, that RC cells were born and evolved through early human, tribal, cannibalism. I can agree with your hypothesis, and think you hit the money here, especially how you brought your own personal background of tribal ancestry into it. Tribes and evolved from that, clans, is something I've noticed that is influenced in a lot of anime, because that idea at it's very core is heavily associated with Japan's culture. Clans, one's clan, the preservation of a clan, and the eradication of other clans was a big mentality in even Japan's government up to the end of the Second World War. The Sengoku Period was much, much more than just a period in Japan's history, it was a lifestyle and an entire foundation of a country. The Warring States period may of started in the early 1400's and ended in the 1600's, however the idea of a clan, or a tribe, warring against others is in the very roots of humanity.
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I thought Kaneki got the finger cracking from being tortured? Based purely on the anime, but in that I'm fairly certain he starts cracking his fingers before he ate Jason
He seen Jason do it in a place of weakness, he used it as a support. But after he ate jason it was a trait that stayed around and lost its original meaning. So yes and no, I just didnt want to go into detail.
@@Sufferents yeah fair enough, I went back and rewatched the entire scene and while he does crack his fingers in emulation of Jason doing it during the fight, it does stick with him after he eats him, and you're right it's now used more as a "I'm gonna kick your ass" symbol. I assumed it was more of a coping mechanism for torture, since Jason was tortured as well, and since Kaneki lost his mind essentially during torture, it would make sense that the trait would be passed on through cannibalism
@@Sufferents but Jason got the knuckle cracking habit from the ccg prison guard that torchured him. So kaneki also picked up the habit while being torchured.
I liked this video a lot. Thinking on making video's on the individual characters throughout the series? I say this because I just want a video on my boy urie in your voice.
i get what you're saying by how needing to explain the origin of ghouls is unnecessary, but i think that since ishida went into the story of the original oek (who we got a lot of hints it being uta, which i still believe), it's almost critical that we understand a canon story of what truly brought about the ghouls. there's a lot of theories on it being due to a mutation (personally i think there was some kind of famine so everybody started cannibalizing, which somehow led to a genetic mutation which could have been due to incest or continued cannibalism - idk it's been awhile since i've thought of this), but i think you've got a good point here with the incest and cannibalism, like the tsukiyama family. there's also the whole thing with norse mythology and symbolism and all that
You seem like such a woke guy. You seem like the kind of person that would be really interesting to talk to, I really wish I was surrounded by more people who reflect the same way you do. Keep up with the great work on the videos! They're super interesting, and very well made!
I completely agree with your idea on how the first ghouls might have come to exist, especially taking clues on how the Washuu's do things with their own family and where they originally came from gives a bit of clues. I wonder if Ishida would ever decide to do another manga about ghouls and the lands that might have birthed them originally or seen great influxes of them appearing...
At 7:30. The image is from Ibitsu manga right ? One of my favorite horror manga. I liked it a lot and recommend it to others. It was quite a while ago. I cannot remember the pic that well.
An interesting view! The ghoul world seems closer to ours thanks to your ideas. And it would be great if Ishida-sensei confirms these theories in a prequel. Who khow? He only said that "a sequel is unlikely". A prequel exploring the origin of ghouls, dragon, the Washuu, Kaneki's father (who I theorized to be somewhat related to ghouls :) will be very fulfilling!
Honestly why are so many people cool with ishida not giving us origin of ghouls? It would have been extremely interesting to see confirmed origin of them
The problem is why is it explained that when different Kagune types have a baby it will either get the mother's or father's kagune type and never a completely different one?
Well about the finger cracking, I think he just picked that up after Jason did it so much around him. Much like how Jason told the story of how he convinced himself that he wasn't the one being tortured by the ccg warden, and then eventually became a sadistic torturer like that same warden after he was freed, Kaneki assumed the mannerism because he was around it for so long. It's not like he only did it after he ate Jason's kagune, he did it right after the bite he used to restore his kagune, but before that he was literally in chains and couldn't move. he did it immediately after his hands were free. I think of it as him forming his new ghoul personality around the one who pressured him to the point he even needed one, just like Jason did.
Theory:ghouls were the original smart being but humans are mutated ghouls and with their less violent nature they didn’t die off or there was a war but humans won because of better communication, just a thought
i feel like the existence of the nagaraji is overlooked a bit when exploring the history of ghouls. it has alot to do with events that shaped the world as presented during the time the story takes place. i mean, the ghoul that would eventually became the nagaraji (the underground king) was the reason the washuu family founded the CCG's parent organization in 1890. the petrified remains of the nagaraji are very similar to the dragon that kaneki would become. they were both one-eyed ghouls, and both lead a ghoul revolution against humanity. i suppose the same could be said of eto but she never became a monstrosity on the scale of the dragon despite her mass cannibalism. i think the key difference is that eto never fed on half-ghouls. i believe that a kakuja on that scale is only created when a half-ghoul specifically cannibalizes on other half-ghouls. this is what i think kaneki and the underground king had in common that eto did not. perhaps after escaping to the 24th ward the underground king bred them to eat them and gain the power he needed to finally overthrow the CCG, without knowing the uncontrollable monster he would create. The dragon orphans feel like the next evolution of ghouls, pure kagune monsters. And if kaneki's dragon created the next evolution of ghouls, it makes me wonder if maybe the nagaraji was the thing to create the ghouls as we see them in the present day. that maybe before the nagaraji, ghouls were completely contained within, and were a product of the washuu family. ive always wondered how human society came to be dominant over the world despite humans being the "natural prey" of the ghouls. this would make sense if ghouls didnt exist until the 19th century. it would also explain why tokyo is the center of the ghoul conflict in this world, with the majority of rest of the world seemingly absent. tokyo would've been the ghouls' native land, with only a few finding their way over seas. its important to note that this theory is not without it's holes, but its fun to explore and i feel as though more significance should be placed on the nagaraji's existence and what it could symbolize.
The first video I watched from you was when you were talking about the one eyed king theory and now I’m here at this video. You are very good at your research. Kudos to you bro
More insight lies in the Tokyo Ghoul plot itself, Ayato found a mummy version of dragon underground in an old city. It is thought that there were ghouls in the ancient times but they were very small in numbers (the Washi clan stretches back this far) then one of them a half ghoul who became known as the first one eyed king underwent the dragon transformation like Kaneki and possibly turned more humans into ghouls. This is when society discovered ghouls
Polynesian tribes in those days did actual believe in the spiritual cannibalism that consuming the flesh of your enemy made you a more efficient warrior annnd say swear your aussie thats crazzy cause i never realized at all haahah im froom melbourne btw
I just realized that this mean that everyone in the world will be ghouls that will have to cannabalize on each other eventually leading to only kakuja and dragons being the last pieces of humanity
I have to say, I really do agree with you. Personally, I thought ghouls were created because of humans cannibalizing and absorbing the other human's RC cells but you went even more in depth, to the point of the creation the cell itself. Good video, really enjoyed.
If you wanted to make this real simple Ghouls could've possibly came from the radiation of the bombs that fell on Japan in WW2 like maybe that's what triggered the RC cells to suddenly expand rapidly within a small population that was controlled till the binge eaters and Tokyo Ghoul came around
Yeah it makes more sense where the first ghoul just starts off with just the need for human flesh, where then as cannibalism dies down throughout history and they would be hunted they would gain their healing, but I’m not really sure how the kagune would come into play. Maybe it was just created so they were able to store the extra RC cells and stuff I dunno, but other than that I agree my dude. Really interesting topic
only issue i got was the kaneki developed the finger cracking from the torture jason played out on him the same way as the jason developed it from the scientist that done tests on him
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Maybe ghouls are mutations of other animals like Ukaku for birds rinaku for spiders bikaku for snakes Koukaku for scorpion or crab since Ukaku is mainly like bird wings rinaku is like spider kegs and Koukaku is like a bladed shell bikaku is like a snake tail in a way
I think a mutation on rc cells that made the mutant become a ghoul could be a very likely explanation for the first ghoul,and after that he was just very lucky with his descendants being also ghouls,knowing that it's hard for a ghoul and a human to have a baby,without the baby and the mother dying
Hey Dres, a cool video to see would be a Juzo feature - I'm especially curious in the changes in his mannerisms from Tokyo Ghoul to Tokyo Ghoul Re:, In TG1 he doesn't give a fuck about authority and just loves to get in the action and in Re, at least in the anime - he's like a company man all about following orders and has a mission that he didn't previously seem to embrace. Just a thought on a video I'd be very interested to hear your take on
I know the effect of Shinohaura getting KO'D straight into a human potato had a giant effect, I'd love to hear you expand on all that in a video. Juzo seemed to change the most of all the characters from 1 to Re
Kaneki did not acquire the finger crack due to cannibalization. He acquired it due to the fact that jason slowly broke down kaneki's psyche, the constant torturing caused him to hold onto anything that could keep him sane, such as how jason used "whats 1000 minus 7" jason had kaneki do that so he would stay sane, as told in the manga. Kaneki picked up the finger cracking due to jason doing it, such as naki did, also jason picked up the finger cracking from HIS torturer.
Technically in the manga it tells you how Yamori was tortured by the same method he used to torture Kaneki, so Yamori probably picked up the finger cracking from his torturer, which Kaneki then picked up from Yamori
There was a reference to the washu origin that said that they came from the middle east- the first societys and empires are middle eastern ehich suggests to me that ghouls existed probably since societies were, clans would cannabilise then turn into a ghoul but this would’ve happened at the dawn of humanity
I’m just gonna save this cause I wanted to watch it but I was like a couple minutes into the video and realized there are some things that aren’t familiar so I need to actually finish the anime first lol
Yoshimura in the anime says something about, through the ages the only thing ghouls and humans both consume is coffee, something along the lines of that, my point is he said through the ages, so I'm assuming ghouls have been around for a while
Featuring: the Australian Wildlife in the background lol.
Which state in Australia do you live in? I live in Victoria
So are you not reviewing the anime?
Dresrosa do you have a link to the song that starts out
WE DA AUSSIES MATE
So the original black Australians was cannibals no sir
Didnt Touka mention she wanted to study the missing link of ghoul evolution? Ya know, the origin of ghouls
Sam Mertens episode and season?
I remember to have read something about it in the manga, but I can't remember what chapter it was.
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Dresrosa out here teaching me more about history than school ever did
Yes I hated humanities too
if this is your first time paying attention
I think its that ur just not paying attention to ur teacher, me too
This channel is so amazing, it's like keeping TG alive for us, the fans, you're always talking about new things. Thank you
electric 6 true but I’d be a little more content with a movie in the future
@electric 6 i dont entirely agree i like the mystery so it should be left open a bit but still be fleshed out
Well, technically Kaneki acquired that fingercrack through the torturing, not after he cannibalized Jason
The thing with that is Kaneki acquired that trait from Jason from seeing it in a time of desperation and sorrow, it stayed with him because he cannibalized.
Andre Lyew normally I would agree, but Jason used it for many reasons, power, self control, to unhinge himself to name a few, Kaneki also used it as a way to cope at the start. However throughout the rest of the story the finger crack slowly loses all of its meaning and how it helped Kaneki, he starts to make it his own. He does this with a lot of things but those others never change meaning. Which led me to believe that the only reason Kaneki still finger cracks till the end is because it’s a trait he can’t get rid off because he ate Jason. It’s both a mental thing but also a ghoul thing.
@@Sufferents i think as kaneki said to Naki that he ''vizualizes'' Yamori because he thinks about him as a strength symbol (chapter 104 from :re), adding that to all the moments that he cracks his finger in :re (just moments when he needs the ''strengh'') makes me think that is a thing that he does on purpose (like clicking a swtich), like a ''Heisenberg putting the hat thing'' (where Walther White finds himself on a difficult situation so he puts his hat and transforms himself in Heisenberg, ''the powerfull guy who can take care of everything'') nothing related to the cannibalism in my understanding
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@@syalem What I said above boiled down to, the only reason Kaneki kept that *finger cracking* was because he cannibalized on Jason. He embodied a trait that was completely different to Jason's and comparing to when he was tortured to randomly cracking his finger are 2 completely different ideals. You are overall right, I just felt that there was always a more cemented reason *after* everything. (Helps ground Kaneki a lot better)
@@Sufferents That's a lot of mental gymnastics to keep saying you're correct.
In wild, dangerous Australia, we see the rare Dresrosa, an astronomer of his tribe, teaching the younger and older tribemates about eating each other out, savagley, and possibly (definitely) sexualy.
-Shu Tsukiyama
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im with you 100%, we maight sound crazy but it would be kinda cool to be a ghoul but still not- no jk it would be awesome!
Would it really be cool to be a ghoul? Have you even read Tokyo Ghoul? Do you understand what a lot of the (more humane) ghouls go through everyday? What having to kill someone to be able to eat?Would you be okay with that?
Even though it wont work i wanna be a ghoul and be like
"Pew pew pee modafoka"
@Disastrous Delusion a year later to the reply, but I do not have one, so tell yours to watch out
@@marvelous_jack5228 the blood of my enemies
IM FREAKING OUT BECAUSE IM DOING A SCIENCE PROJECT ABOUT HOW GHOUL ANATOMY AND PHYSIOLOGY WOULD BE IN REAL LIFE AND THIS IS SUCH A HELP BLESS YOU DRES
Oof I'm doing a micro biology major and that sounds complicated. I would say that rc cells may resemble stem cells in how they differentiate like that. Perhaps cells that can revert back to a simple rc cell like induced stem cells with sox2 and all that. The kakuhou are located on the back perhaps to stop the cells from effecting major organs when the proliferate and contract. The location is probably due to genetic characteristics. I could maybe go on but this will be too long , good luck
Dis guy SHIT THAT’S HELPFUL THANK YOU!! I was also thinking that Rc cells could resemble stem cells!! Also PLEASE go on if you’d like :D
@@spawnofcrotalvl4038 I was thinking more, cause it was kinda fun. So why they have durable skin is that the rc cells are spread through their body I think it moves in the blood stream. Blood does flow through the skin which may be why their skins is durable, perhaps it migrates through the vessel to the developing skin. Their eyes being black maybe predatorial to absorb more light at night time cause people are usually inactive at night and they are less likely to be seen. There are red pigments in the eye that go in conjunction with others but it might play a roll in scaring people at night time. Finally the rc cells themselves may have been an organism itself originally like how chloroplasts and mitochondria were theorized to originate. Somehow it integrate itself with humans , cause humans and ghouls have rc cells. The humans that aren't ghouls are an earlier integration of the rc cells, the ghouls are people that have a more developed rc cell production.why ghouls have altered taste buds to humans is to replenish rc cells cause it might be too taxing for the cells to regenerate, proliferate etc at high rates to sustain their kakuhous and kagune.
@Dis guy I also theorized that, since kakugan are a byproduct of Rc cells activating, ghouls developed the ability for their eyes to turn black for exactly that: a hunting mechanism. I’m also thinking the red is some sort of intimidation tactic >:D Also, my friend and I figure that Rc cells are a non-Newtonian fluid due to the fact they can be called “liquid muscle” and because kagune (which are made of Rc cells) can sharpen and harden at will. I’m just struggling with the “woven like steel fibers” bit. Maybe Rc cells have a largeer amount of metal in their makeup than normal cells because of this? As well as the fact that eating solely humans means a larger iron intake (I know iron isn’t steel, but hey this is fictional)
@@spawnofcrotalvl4038 could be just a protein that is woven and strong inter molecular interactions. Silk is stronger than steel, keratin is pretty strong too like for horns. When they retract the kagune it might be the protein being denatured.
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Woah i got a heart
Damn that sounds like a good idea
that would be a nice little story they could make
I always had my own theory on the finger cracking. I think Yamori started cracking his fingers because the centipede that was planted into his ear creates similar sounds. He describes that the sound of a centipede in your ear never leaves your mind, so the cracking of fingers could be a replication of the centipede’s erratic movements in his ears. This would explain why Ken starts cracking his fingers since he also suffered the centipede torture. It would make sense since the idea of centipedes continues to have a large affect on his mentality, even manifesting itself as his half-kakuja form and later when he desperately cannibalises the Oggai in which he has a monologue where he describes himself as ‘a centipede’. Seeing as how the centipede has so much of an effect on his mind, it would make sense why the finger cracking sticks with him as a product of this affected mentality.
Just my idea though, I’ve always thought that the finger cracking would come from something more than just seeing Yamori do it.
Skee S but yamori himself got that habbit by getting tourtired in coahlea and seeing the investigator do it so maybe a mix of both symbolism and just seeing it happen?
That’s my point, seeing it happen and also having that symbolic centipede in your ear would turn finger-cracking into a habbit. I can’t imagine Ya ori and Ken would just start finger-cracking because someone who is causing them unimaginable pain did it.
@@akirakurusu9784 tg is literally my younger teenage years obsession, i could never forget about it lol. thanks for the appreciation though
i guess that the "increase in speed" could also connects to Arata and the arata joker quinque suit that juuzou wears and the original arata suits used by kuroiwa and shinohara as Arata Kirishima cannibalized and somewhat gave birth to these suits
Really love that theory and I hope we can all agree on that: WE NEED MORE TOKYO GHOUL!!!
Here's my theory:
At the beginning, there were only ghouls that exists. They were a species with some slightly unbalanced genes due to them being a newly evolved species, mostly they would live like humans used to live, eating other animals(straight up eating it, killing it *in the process*) or cannibalising on other ghouls(which creates kakujas). Until they slowly had the idea of morality, "good and bad" and the idea of food preservation, some of them had tried to kill the animals beforehand like we do nowadays, removing the torturing part of being eaten alive from the process and they are able to preserve the food by cooking or other processes. The majority of the species saw this as a good idea since sometimes it's hard to hunt for food. Due to their ever so slightly unbalanced genes from the start, they slowly adapted to eating processed* meat(cooked or preserved) and their bodies slowly evolved to eating processed meat, some even evolved to omnivores since agriculture is easier compared to hunting down wild animals. This then created humans. They stopped hunting and started to rear animals, meaning they no longer require the extra physique, healing factor and kagunes, causing these traits to slowly be gone from their genetic tree. The minority of the species saw this as a setback, they continued have the same lifestyle as before. The humans saw the behaviour and lifestyle of the ghouls to be barbaric and uncivilised, the ghouls had become outcasts. With this causing fear and anger within the ghouls, they had humans set as their enemies. They had begun eating humans as a result. This passive war against each other slowly imprinted within them and their genes, making them natural enemies. Compared to other animals, humans are the most nutritious since they are usually well fed and are well built. The ghouls slowly switched their main source of food to be humans. Having these events and factors going for a long time, the two slowly became two distinct species rather than one. The genes of the two species then slowly stabilized as time had passed, creating the two very different yet similar species, ghouls and humans. This would explain why there are ghouls from all over the world since mutations are usually random and the chances of several identical mutations occuring around the globe is pretty low, this would explain why they are everywhere and scattered. It would also explain kagunes, since cannibalising wouldn't just have created kagunes, so if they were to have it from the start as a species, it would make more sense. Same goes to RC cells. The humans had no use of it, so their RC cells became dormant and unused. Explains why humans even had RC cells in the first place.
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kaneki made me feel badass whenever i crack my fingers.
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Personal theory is that Ghouls where a strange yet natural evolution of a human population. Nature often tries to balance things so why not give the most chaotic species on the planet a natural predator. Of course after thousands of years things change and now at the end of the series both species are now trying to coexist.
I feel that ghouls would come near the modern area (maybe near the end of the industrial rev?), because if they came in a tribal time wouldn't they have just destroyed all of humanity cos humans back then probably didn't have the intelligence and wits to create something to fight back, not even the simplest possible quinque. My theory is that since all humans are born with rc cells maybe they are grown during the pregnancy of the parent and maybe they give some sustenance to the human (but without them it'd be next to no different), so maybe some human was born with a defect where their rc cells didn't stop growing at birth and they continued to grow. Then it was a human ghoul, like a human with a really weak kagune, so as the ghoul ate it would grow stronger and maybe there were other defect humans (i'll call the rc growing humans defect humans) that existed, and they breeded to create ghouls. Then ghouls slowly grew and grew stronger as the generations went by until the state the ghouls species is in. I got the idea of 'RC cells growing in the pregnancy but ending at the birth' idea because I mean, during pregnancy everything is made so if RC cells exist in humans they would be made at the birth (maybe), so there is a possibility that ONE human was born weird. Although the rc cells could have begun growing at adult hood ( explaining why they didn't kill the child when it was young when they found out 'oh shat this aint gud'.) If it were adult hood it would be much stronger. So the story would be,
Baby born -> Baby rapidly grows in rc cells -> baby is now ghoul
Or :
Baby born -> happy life until adult hood -> Adult baby want human flesh -> Adult baby nom nom on humans -> Adult baby meet others like it (highly likely that there are) -> Adult baby breeds and creates more ghouls.
I like your comment, it brings some good ideas. I think ghouls could've existed in "the era of tribes", if a ghoul were to be born in a really small tribe then sure the ghoul would eat the tribe then die due to starvation. Chances are that the first ghoul was born in a bigger tribe(more offsprings leads to more chances for the mutation to occur and even in a bigger tribe incest would still be a thing). A single ghoul could survive feeding on a bigger tribe without killing it, a couple of ghouls let's say couldn't so one of the ghouls would die due to scarcer resources(the tribe wouldn't necessarily be wiped out, maybe they would go into hiding until the threat passes). It's just like with rabbits and wolves, basic predator-prey relationship - more rabbits leads to more wolves, less rabbits leads to less wolves.
Ghouls didn't just manifest through a few years of cannibalism. Centuries of incest and cannibalism since tribal eras are what would lead to a slow progression of the manifestation of ghoulkind. They would not have been able to overtake human societies because they were not even near as powerful as the ghouls in the modern world of Tokyo Ghoul because of how early this history of breeding is in the timeline.
Well... This theory theoretically could be possible... It looks convincing to me.
the Kagune could have originally been much differet and developed into weapons later on or been less efficient weapons
@@denispopescu8775 Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised if the ghoul(s) were worshiped during the tribal era, and have possible sacrifices etc.
Please make another video like this if there’s something else you think could connect with this.
Maybe humans are descendants of ghouls.
I feel there are some lovecraft vibes with origin but who knows.
Tokyo Ghoul is my absolute favorite piece of art (as for today).
Thanks for keeping it relevant.
There are three countries that ghouls have been known to come from to my knowledge. Japan obviously, Russia due to the Pope ghoul being said to be Russian, and China due to Tatara. Ghouls perhaps may only be present in the old world. As to my knowledge we haven’t seen a American ghoul.
What about Germany, I thought one of the major ghoul families came from Germany.
Kie Donovan forgot about that. Still doesn’t change what I said.
The Washuu originate from the middle east don't they?
I just wanted to see the dragon kaneki fully animated. And then we got this episode.....
I don't even like tokyo ghoul that much, but I always find myself enjoying your tokyo ghoul related content ^^
absolutely genius... every video you make is just a masterpiece!!! watching your videos gives me the same feeling as if i am reading my favorite manga... and am just so excited about what will the next chapter be about. can't wait for your next video :))
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I've always thought this to have been the case, that RC cells were born and evolved through early human, tribal, cannibalism. I can agree with your hypothesis, and think you hit the money here, especially how you brought your own personal background of tribal ancestry into it. Tribes and evolved from that, clans, is something I've noticed that is influenced in a lot of anime, because that idea at it's very core is heavily associated with Japan's culture. Clans, one's clan, the preservation of a clan, and the eradication of other clans was a big mentality in even Japan's government up to the end of the Second World War. The Sengoku Period was much, much more than just a period in Japan's history, it was a lifestyle and an entire foundation of a country. The Warring States period may of started in the early 1400's and ended in the 1600's, however the idea of a clan, or a tribe, warring against others is in the very roots of humanity.
Great vid as usual, keep them coming. Kaneki power levels next please lol
I really love the videos please keep them up, the subjects that you talk about are very interesting and I can tell that you put alot of effort in your videos keep it up.
I thought Kaneki got the finger cracking from being tortured? Based purely on the anime, but in that I'm fairly certain he starts cracking his fingers before he ate Jason
He seen Jason do it in a place of weakness, he used it as a support. But after he ate jason it was a trait that stayed around and lost its original meaning. So yes and no, I just didnt want to go into detail.
@@Sufferents yeah fair enough, I went back and rewatched the entire scene and while he does crack his fingers in emulation of Jason doing it during the fight, it does stick with him after he eats him, and you're right it's now used more as a "I'm gonna kick your ass" symbol. I assumed it was more of a coping mechanism for torture, since Jason was tortured as well, and since Kaneki lost his mind essentially during torture, it would make sense that the trait would be passed on through cannibalism
@@Sufferents but Jason got the knuckle cracking habit from the ccg prison guard that torchured him. So kaneki also picked up the habit while being torchured.
I liked this video a lot.
Thinking on making video's on the individual characters throughout the series?
I say this because I just want a video on my boy urie in your voice.
*I want a prequel series*
i get what you're saying by how needing to explain the origin of ghouls is unnecessary, but i think that since ishida went into the story of the original oek (who we got a lot of hints it being uta, which i still believe), it's almost critical that we understand a canon story of what truly brought about the ghouls. there's a lot of theories on it being due to a mutation (personally i think there was some kind of famine so everybody started cannibalizing, which somehow led to a genetic mutation which could have been due to incest or continued cannibalism - idk it's been awhile since i've thought of this), but i think you've got a good point here with the incest and cannibalism, like the tsukiyama family.
there's also the whole thing with norse mythology and symbolism and all that
All we know is it was something like the dragon event.
You seem like such a woke guy. You seem like the kind of person that would be really interesting to talk to, I really wish I was surrounded by more people who reflect the same way you do. Keep up with the great work on the videos! They're super interesting, and very well made!
*I LIKE CENTIPEDES*
I hope Ishida writes new content for this world.
i only subscribed a month ago and i like the videos so far keep up the good work
I completely agree with your idea on how the first ghouls might have come to exist, especially taking clues on how the Washuu's do things with their own family and where they originally came from gives a bit of clues. I wonder if Ishida would ever decide to do another manga about ghouls and the lands that might have birthed them originally or seen great influxes of them appearing...
At 7:30. The image is from Ibitsu manga right ? One of my favorite horror manga. I liked it a lot and recommend it to others. It was quite a while ago. I cannot remember the pic that well.
An interesting view! The ghoul world seems closer to ours thanks to your ideas. And it would be great if Ishida-sensei confirms these theories in a prequel. Who khow? He only said that "a sequel is unlikely". A prequel exploring the origin of ghouls, dragon, the Washuu, Kaneki's father (who I theorized to be somewhat related to ghouls :) will be very fulfilling!
Honestly why are so many people cool with ishida not giving us origin of ghouls? It would have been extremely interesting to see confirmed origin of them
The problem is why is it explained that when different Kagune types have a baby it will either get the mother's or father's kagune type and never a completely different one?
This video was long overdue and should have been explored by Sui Ishida a little more
Yess finally the wait is over
Finally the explanation I’ve been looking for
Well about the finger cracking, I think he just picked that up after Jason did it so much around him. Much like how Jason told the story of how he convinced himself that he wasn't the one being tortured by the ccg warden, and then eventually became a sadistic torturer like that same warden after he was freed, Kaneki assumed the mannerism because he was around it for so long. It's not like he only did it after he ate Jason's kagune, he did it right after the bite he used to restore his kagune, but before that he was literally in chains and couldn't move. he did it immediately after his hands were free. I think of it as him forming his new ghoul personality around the one who pressured him to the point he even needed one, just like Jason did.
Your video as are honestly amazing and a pleasure to listen to
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No, Kaneki got the finger cracking from being tortured as did Yamori.
Theory:ghouls were the original smart being but humans are mutated ghouls and with their less violent nature they didn’t die off or there was a war but humans won because of better communication, just a thought
oh so the cool artwork is about the first ghoul. cool! And thanks for the explanation by the way
I cracked my finger like Kaneki did way before I even knew about Tokyo Ghoul
i feel like the existence of the nagaraji is overlooked a bit when exploring the history of ghouls. it has alot to do with events that shaped the world as presented during the time the story takes place. i mean, the ghoul that would eventually became the nagaraji (the underground king) was the reason the washuu family founded the CCG's parent organization in 1890. the petrified remains of the nagaraji are very similar to the dragon that kaneki would become. they were both one-eyed ghouls, and both lead a ghoul revolution against humanity. i suppose the same could be said of eto but she never became a monstrosity on the scale of the dragon despite her mass cannibalism. i think the key difference is that eto never fed on half-ghouls. i believe that a kakuja on that scale is only created when a half-ghoul specifically cannibalizes on other half-ghouls. this is what i think kaneki and the underground king had in common that eto did not. perhaps after escaping to the 24th ward the underground king bred them to eat them and gain the power he needed to finally overthrow the CCG, without knowing the uncontrollable monster he would create. The dragon orphans feel like the next evolution of ghouls, pure kagune monsters. And if kaneki's dragon created the next evolution of ghouls, it makes me wonder if maybe the nagaraji was the thing to create the ghouls as we see them in the present day. that maybe before the nagaraji, ghouls were completely contained within, and were a product of the washuu family. ive always wondered how human society came to be dominant over the world despite humans being the "natural prey" of the ghouls. this would make sense if ghouls didnt exist until the 19th century. it would also explain why tokyo is the center of the ghoul conflict in this world, with the majority of rest of the world seemingly absent. tokyo would've been the ghouls' native land, with only a few finding their way over seas.
its important to note that this theory is not without it's holes, but its fun to explore and i feel as though more significance should be placed on the nagaraji's existence and what it could symbolize.
Dayumm I really love origin or like back stories type of stuff keep up the good work man love ur content
The first video I watched from you was when you were talking about the one eyed king theory and now I’m here at this video. You are very good at your research. Kudos to you bro
How the hell is this man not at 100k yet.
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Sup man, I hope you’re having a nice day :) I love the content you make
A video on the Washuu family and their breeding program would be awesome.
sounds like something for map pat
I must say, your research was well done. You came this far, but very well prepared.
More insight lies in the Tokyo Ghoul plot itself, Ayato found a mummy version of dragon underground in an old city. It is thought that there were ghouls in the ancient times but they were very small in numbers (the Washi clan stretches back this far) then one of them a half ghoul who became known as the first one eyed king underwent the dragon transformation like Kaneki and possibly turned more humans into ghouls. This is when society discovered ghouls
Polynesian tribes in those days did actual believe in the spiritual cannibalism that consuming the flesh of your enemy made you a more efficient warrior annnd say swear your aussie thats crazzy cause i never realized at all haahah im froom melbourne btw
I like what you do with the background makes video creepier than it is
You deserve so many more subs I enjoy this content so much
I just realized that this mean that everyone in the world will be ghouls that will have to cannabalize on each other eventually leading to only kakuja and dragons being the last pieces of humanity
Kanaki did the finger crack thing before he ate Jason
I honestly loved your style of videos unique and professional keep up the good work
Thank ya
Om the cracking finger he did while fighting jason before he ate him
actually a good explanation
I have to say, I really do agree with you. Personally, I thought ghouls were created because of humans cannibalizing and absorbing the other human's RC cells but you went even more in depth, to the point of the creation the cell itself. Good video, really enjoyed.
I’m Australian.
If you wanted to make this real simple Ghouls could've possibly came from the radiation of the bombs that fell on Japan in WW2 like maybe that's what triggered the RC cells to suddenly expand rapidly within a small population that was controlled till the binge eaters and Tokyo Ghoul came around
Except the Washuu family is said to have been around for a lot longer than up to WW2, which means ghouls, in general, have been around a long time.
Love Tokyo ghoul
Yeah it makes more sense where the first ghoul just starts off with just the need for human flesh, where then as cannibalism dies down throughout history and they would be hunted they would gain their healing, but I’m not really sure how the kagune would come into play. Maybe it was just created so they were able to store the extra RC cells and stuff I dunno, but other than that I agree my dude. Really interesting topic
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This felt like 5 minutes instead of 10 for some reason
If you want a free history teacher in quarantine, just watch Dresrosa's videos about tokyo ghoul.
Wow, can definitely hear your Australian accent much more in these older videos
only issue i got was the kaneki developed the finger cracking from the torture jason played out on him the same way as the jason developed it from the scientist that done tests on him
found these channel by accident but it is smthing what i really needed...i can't let tg go....like i am so attached to tg THAT i bought every manga and waiting for the translation of every volume in my native language despite the fact that anime ended 1.5 year ago ... now i have the last volume for 2 months and still i'm not ready to end that part of my life...i watched just one time the end of tokyo ghoul and the horrible of that fact is that i'm almost 20 and nothing in my hole life got me to this point...anyways i just wanted to thank you for this channel and i'm seeing that you are explaining EVERYTHING on it
Actualy the finger cracking was after Jason's torture !
Maybe ghouls are mutations of other animals like Ukaku for birds rinaku for spiders bikaku for snakes Koukaku for scorpion or crab since Ukaku is mainly like bird wings rinaku is like spider kegs and Koukaku is like a bladed shell bikaku is like a snake tail in a way
I think a mutation on rc cells that made the mutant become a ghoul could be a very likely explanation for the first ghoul,and after that he was just very lucky with his descendants being also ghouls,knowing that it's hard for a ghoul and a human to have a baby,without the baby and the mother dying
Hey Dres, a cool video to see would be a Juzo feature - I'm especially curious in the changes in his mannerisms from Tokyo Ghoul to Tokyo Ghoul Re:, In TG1 he doesn't give a fuck about authority and just loves to get in the action and in Re, at least in the anime - he's like a company man all about following orders and has a mission that he didn't previously seem to embrace. Just a thought on a video I'd be very interested to hear your take on
I know the effect of Shinohaura getting KO'D straight into a human potato had a giant effect, I'd love to hear you expand on all that in a video. Juzo seemed to change the most of all the characters from 1 to Re
always though fuedal japan tokyo ghoul series would be cool af
I love this channel bc of the tg contents W
This is very cool good job dude keep up the good work because is realy cool
Yes. Thank you for this
the finger cracking is not something he achived by eating Jason, he just stole it. It's a cool and intiminating move.
Ever since TG I've been cracking my fingers like a kaneki
I screamed in the newest Episode(8season4)
hey dresrosa, i love your vids and i live the way you analyze them for us. but im wondering if you could also analyze kaneki’s age?
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You should do an analysis on Juuzou and Big Madam
Kaneki did not acquire the finger crack due to cannibalization. He acquired it due to the fact that jason slowly broke down kaneki's psyche, the constant torturing caused him to hold onto anything that could keep him sane, such as how jason used "whats 1000 minus 7" jason had kaneki do that so he would stay sane, as told in the manga. Kaneki picked up the finger cracking due to jason doing it, such as naki did, also jason picked up the finger cracking from HIS torturer.
Technically in the manga it tells you how Yamori was tortured by the same method he used to torture Kaneki, so Yamori probably picked up the finger cracking from his torturer, which Kaneki then picked up from Yamori
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ken kanike finally went into dragon or what i call centipede since that's what it is supposed to look like that
Damn dude your kinda a genius.
There was a reference to the washu origin that said that they came from the middle east- the first societys and empires are middle eastern ehich suggests to me that ghouls existed probably since societies were, clans would cannabilise then turn into a ghoul but this would’ve happened at the dawn of humanity
I’m just gonna save this cause I wanted to watch it but I was like a couple minutes into the video and realized there are some things that aren’t familiar so I need to actually finish the anime first lol
Yoshimura in the anime says something about, through the ages the only thing ghouls and humans both consume is coffee, something along the lines of that, my point is he said through the ages, so I'm assuming ghouls have been around for a while
Umm can you also do evolutionary history on vamps or werewolves ( if possible). I somehow liked your logical approach on a rather supernatural story.
And maybe dragon is like a kakuja form of the first ghoul