In game 1 you could maybe have flown out a probe with your two adepts in the prism. Gives the option of establishing the base early. Also prism can provide power to get batteries building before pylon completes to speed up the establishment of a position. Too hard for me to pull off, but I believe in the Captain!
This is a cool idea! I wonder if banelings win this? Helps with adepts, plus you can bust the front door at the natural and then flood with lings, which would be super annoying. Also, a nydus would be sick...just pressure against your forward base and while your distracted they send a nydus full of lings.
Awesome idea, maybe this could work against the pros! Could it work faster if you build the first batteries with an activated warp prism instead of waiting for the pylon and nexus?
Oh, and maybe blink stalkers are a good synergy here, because your forest of pylons and batteries is difficult to maneuver through without blink. That could also make disruptors a good idea, since the shots will be harder to dodge if the opponent's units are in a traffic jam amidst the pylons and batteries. Collosi could thrive here, since they can walk over the buildings. I love how you mixed in DTs here, and maybe a couple of adepts for scouting and occasional harassment while the opponent is trying to break your position? I think another part of what's genius about this is that the buildings end up tanking so much damage for you during the fights. Plus you can full wall on 2 bases at home, and expand to a 4th behind your shield base...If you can't win quickly, it seems like skytoss could be amazing here, since it can hit multiple bases just a short distance from the shield recharge. I don't know, man, maybe this could get protoss nerfed. It's probably not actually viable, but I'm also wondering if 2 nexi for super battery and tanking purposes could work at all.
yer prism with batteries under should be in every P push, it allows you to get batteries with pylons online in only 20 seconds, meaning they are up and running at the time you lost your shield and pull back; but no one use it and been screaming about it for a looooooong while... apmhell just destroy strategy and tactics, horrid gameplay design
The blink version of this seems like something Parting would have done against zerg. Stalker micro at the front paired with an immortal or DT drop for harass in the main and just pull them apart. I could 100% see him doing this and cheesing a group stage win out of Solar in GSL back in the day
You know I was kinda thinking about this strategy while watching your videos :D Like, wouldn't the third be just an OP position in terms of stealing mining? Also nobody ever scouts third they don't take until like 8 minutes in so your nexus can just hang around there until its already half way done
i do canon rush on the third build with imortals and star port, if they counter atack your main base with rush you just rebuild nexus right there on their third and box them into that 1 base
Great games, love the new Astrea Proxy Nexus strategy. I disagree that you should've let the shade go through with the adepts, around 24:49. I think the chance that the immortal would've been overwhelmed by the zerglings and sniped was too high, and you instinctively knew it.
Imagine quing into the same dude who cheesed you, trying to hard counter it and then just failing miserably as well. I mean Harstem is probably a lot better so that could happen even if he is hard countered but still that is one sad being.
when you already has access to prisms, you can fully wall and set a prism as your way off moving ground units out and in off the wall, use recall for drone transfer and be 100% safe from zergling runby's. also on mineral lines, wall them in so they are fully walled and if something that can break the wall comes, recall the drones; and let them wasted the amount off effort and time it takes to break it down and not get any drones for it ^^ need more apm but well
7:18 you pulled the army in the wrong direction, you allowed him to fully surround with lings, you didnt have meat aka adepts for ling take down, and you didnt wall anything on the attack. you also used 400 minerals on a nexus which properly should have been a 2pylons and 2 shield bats before entering his third to have a presetup to start with. you also didn't push continually, allowing him to mass units, instead off shaving units off continually.¨ and still you where only 10 seconds from all bats being up and then it would have been an easy hold. most off your army is also immortals and he doesn't have much with armour so they are kinda wastedfull at this point ^^ also you can do long corridors in walls, like a labyrinth to get in where you get shot all the way, make lings near useless and screws with amove command off most z units ^^
7:26 if only you had time to read our comments ive been screaming about the offensive recalls and nexus setup for quite a while on your and others channels now.. so yer
15:12 you also dont need a nexus to do this, this could be on any attack that has a pylon or a prism with it, and its so ridiculessly strong with offensive batteries. but no protoss ever does it. its weird
18:53 in very long matches it also empty out their resources as you pull back. you should expand backwards with statics, so once they push too hard just abondon the base and pull 1 step back. first off the base is low on resources or lower so they are forced to push again soon and they will trade really badly so if the game goes on they just straight up starve roughtly at the time you start mining your own side off the map. for scouting, mid-late game, but 1 pylon on each off your sides bases to check he doesnt take them
28:42 you even have way too low amount off batteries. those 400 minerals should have already been 3 finished bats and 1 on the way. which would have held this easily. you need to constantly pressure, as long as your bats has energy keep trading, if they has no energy then built more. 1-2 photon is smart as well, and wall your probes in so they wont get attacked.
uthermal did a whole playlist called 'proxy nexus to grandmaster' recently you may want to checkout to see what worked for him and what didnt for each race.
If i played against humans i would rank in the Aluminium league , would there be any value in you doing a series where you play the AI , but add challenges , like build only one of each unit or structure , or maybe with game mods limiting the player or players , something like the Zombies mod , like when you coached a bunch of lesser ranked player .
which is nothing like this, no cannon and not dependent on disruptors. but i do like florencio's weird builts ^^ most off them only work bc off the low lvl played on though, but they are fun to see ^^
Not gonna lie, but I think Harstem needs a little dose of Harstem... I believe he once called out a complaint form for calling a timing attack an all-in. I'm not sure this play is an all-in. The idea is still amazing though. Also, Harstem quote of the video: "I thought about it, I played it against the AI once, so I think this is going to work out." - Harstem, or any gold rated player like myself at any given point.
First game i feel if you moges into your buildings and uaed them as cover instead of the minerals you might have won, his units might hit batteries instead of your units and it blocks the lings ?
I wonder if a void ray would be good, becuase you could kill his ovie that he was using for vision on 'your' third. Or you could use it to harras his fourth thats going to be far away and he would have to send over some queens.
FINALLY :D been screaming about using offensive battery station with nexus's for recall and overcharge for too long. the general idea off what you can do is very limited on pro players, there is just too many things not utilized that could still be utilized; i am blaming apmhell gameplay for destroying the strategy aspect ;D
30:18 want to see more off it yes. also you don't need to put this at a base, you can put it at a good defensive point instead, effectively shutting down any attempt to bypass it for the rest off the game while applying an insane pressure from it. late tech would be having tempest sit back there and constantly fire in with oracle revelation; if vipers come near move back behind defencee and snipe theem
I can't get it. Last time queen was nerfed so walking queens straight into protoss base became not viable, but now you can move your face near to creep region and win the game?
There is a big difference between someone making mass queens to try and attack at a specific timing and someone making a normal amount of queens cause they don't know this is coming
I would genuinely be so mad if this dumb strategy beat me! It's like if you're in a ten pin bowling championship and you have some clown who is bowling between his own legs, yet somehow keeps getting strikes! it's infuriating! like HOW DARE YOU build on MY THIRD! I would throw my entire army at that base. Pull workers if I have to. you are just NOT having it!
Beat Grandmaster with Stupid stuff proposal: Keep taking the outer expansion and immediately saturate them fully before saturating the oldest base. Step up: Take the steal the enemy bases and mine them out
I lost 400 mmr because i wanted to make proxy mothership rush work. Granted I'm in diamond so going from d1 to d3 didnt matter to me. (tho it made cheeses much easier to make work)
New Cheese / Beat Grandmaster with Stupid Stuff Idea: I don't know it's possible or not, but FLYING planetary fortress rush ( NOT 1, BUT 4 - 5 fly at the same time ) arrived at enemy location and just become the best defense offense in the front line.
4:02 "Knocking on Kevin's door" actually blew my mind. That's so good
After realising how nice this strat is, I realised something else at the end of the video: Amazing Hoodie :D
"I thought about it, and I played it against the AI once, and I think this is going to work out." - Harstem 2024 My new motto for all my builds.
rofl that 30 second delay before the gg in the last game killed me hahahahaha
"Wow this forward base with Shield Batteries is pretty hard to break. So what's my win condition?!?" *you have won the game* LOL
7 mins into the game. Harstem: "He is spine rushing me!"
Currently Live as well streaming my esl open cup run
Doubt it
for the altg chief
In game 1 you could maybe have flown out a probe with your two adepts in the prism. Gives the option of establishing the base early. Also prism can provide power to get batteries building before pylon completes to speed up the establishment of a position. Too hard for me to pull off, but I believe in the Captain!
I love crative out of the box strategies like this!
Pleas do another video on this build, it is very fun.
This looked like some proper Parmigiano Reggiano 30-39 Months from Nazionale Parmigiano Reggiano Rastelli Fratelli!
Harstems micro is just amazing.
I don't think something like this works without god tier micro.
“this guy just destroyed me with a wild build, this guy has a very large brain” 😂
the 7 minute, put spines at their own 3rd rush ;)
This is a cool idea! I wonder if banelings win this? Helps with adepts, plus you can bust the front door at the natural and then flood with lings, which would be super annoying. Also, a nydus would be sick...just pressure against your forward base and while your distracted they send a nydus full of lings.
watching harstem figure out the strat after game 1 in real time was super cool
Cyclone all in with boys vs. proxy nexus/battery is new tvp meta, confirmed
virgin terran cyclone allin vs chad toss aggressive 3rd base
SoS vibeZ. this is how protoss eliminate thousands of world, by camping in their face
Knock-knock-knockin’ on Kevin’s door!
Awesome idea, maybe this could work against the pros! Could it work faster if you build the first batteries with an activated warp prism instead of waiting for the pylon and nexus?
Oh, and maybe blink stalkers are a good synergy here, because your forest of pylons and batteries is difficult to maneuver through without blink. That could also make disruptors a good idea, since the shots will be harder to dodge if the opponent's units are in a traffic jam amidst the pylons and batteries. Collosi could thrive here, since they can walk over the buildings.
I love how you mixed in DTs here, and maybe a couple of adepts for scouting and occasional harassment while the opponent is trying to break your position?
I think another part of what's genius about this is that the buildings end up tanking so much damage for you during the fights. Plus you can full wall on 2 bases at home, and expand to a 4th behind your shield base...If you can't win quickly, it seems like skytoss could be amazing here, since it can hit multiple bases just a short distance from the shield recharge. I don't know, man, maybe this could get protoss nerfed.
It's probably not actually viable, but I'm also wondering if 2 nexi for super battery and tanking purposes could work at all.
yer prism with batteries under should be in every P push, it allows you to get batteries with pylons online in only 20 seconds, meaning they are up and running at the time you lost your shield and pull back; but no one use it and been screaming about it for a looooooong while...
apmhell just destroy strategy and tactics, horrid gameplay design
The blink version of this seems like something Parting would have done against zerg. Stalker micro at the front paired with an immortal or DT drop for harass in the main and just pull them apart. I could 100% see him doing this and cheesing a group stage win out of Solar in GSL back in the day
You know I was kinda thinking about this strategy while watching your videos :D Like, wouldn't the third be just an OP position in terms of stealing mining? Also nobody ever scouts third they don't take until like 8 minutes in so your nexus can just hang around there until its already half way done
lol this might be tempting enough for me to come back after a two year break and try on the ladder!
Insane and innovative!
Would love to see this strat in PvP. In PvZ I feel like the zerg could just easiely force a recall with a handful of lings
i do canon rush on the third build with imortals and star port, if they counter atack your main base with rush you just rebuild nexus right there on their third and box them into that 1 base
I have spent the first few minutes of this video absolutely distracted by trying to figure out what Harstem is wearing here.
Like the idea, please give us more proxy base/bulding videos👍💯
Great games, love the new Astrea Proxy Nexus strategy. I disagree that you should've let the shade go through with the adepts, around 24:49. I think the chance that the immortal would've been overwhelmed by the zerglings and sniped was too high, and you instinctively knew it.
I hate watching this yet I love it.
Imagine quing into the same dude who cheesed you, trying to hard counter it and then just failing miserably as well. I mean Harstem is probably a lot better so that could happen even if he is hard countered but still that is one sad being.
agree, only Serral is allowed to serve goat cheese
Gonna ignore what you said about goat cheese
when you already has access to prisms, you can fully wall and set a prism as your way off moving ground units out and in off the wall, use recall for drone transfer and be 100% safe from zergling runby's.
also on mineral lines, wall them in so they are fully walled and if something that can break the wall comes, recall the drones; and let them wasted the amount off effort and time it takes to break it down and not get any drones for it ^^
need more apm but well
7:18 you pulled the army in the wrong direction, you allowed him to fully surround with lings, you didnt have meat aka adepts for ling take down, and you didnt wall anything on the attack. you also used 400 minerals on a nexus which properly should have been a 2pylons and 2 shield bats before entering his third to have a presetup to start with.
you also didn't push continually, allowing him to mass units, instead off shaving units off continually.¨
and still you where only 10 seconds from all bats being up and then it would have been an easy hold.
most off your army is also immortals and he doesn't have much with armour so they are kinda wastedfull at this point ^^
also you can do long corridors in walls,
like a labyrinth to get in where you get shot all the way, make lings near useless and screws with amove command off most z units ^^
7:26 if only you had time to read our comments ive been screaming about the offensive recalls and nexus setup for quite a while on your and others channels now.. so yer
15:12 you also dont need a nexus to do this, this could be on any attack that has a pylon or a prism with it, and its so ridiculessly strong with offensive batteries. but no protoss ever does it. its weird
18:53 in very long matches it also empty out their resources as you pull back. you should expand backwards with statics, so once they push too hard just abondon the base and pull 1 step back. first off the base is low on resources or lower so they are forced to push again soon and they will trade really badly so if the game goes on they just straight up starve roughtly at the time you start mining your own side off the map. for scouting, mid-late game, but 1 pylon on each off your sides bases to check he doesnt take them
28:42 you even have way too low amount off batteries. those 400 minerals should have already been 3 finished bats and 1 on the way. which would have held this easily.
you need to constantly pressure, as long as your bats has energy keep trading, if they has no energy then built more. 1-2 photon is smart as well, and wall your probes in so they wont get attacked.
uthermal did a whole playlist called 'proxy nexus to grandmaster' recently you may want to checkout to see what worked for him and what didnt for each race.
Wp Captain, always fun to see you vibing and laughing.
If i played against humans i would rank in the Aluminium league , would there be any value in you doing a series where you play the AI , but add challenges , like build only one of each unit or structure , or maybe with game mods limiting the player or players , something like the Zombies mod , like when you coached a bunch of lesser ranked player .
More of this build!!
The last game is close to a Florencio old cheese : cannon rush into proxy disruptors
which is nothing like this, no cannon and not dependent on disruptors.
but i do like florencio's weird builts ^^ most off them only work bc off the low lvl played on though, but they are fun to see ^^
Not gonna lie, but I think Harstem needs a little dose of Harstem... I believe he once called out a complaint form for calling a timing attack an all-in. I'm not sure this play is an all-in. The idea is still amazing though. Also, Harstem quote of the video:
"I thought about it, I played it against the AI once, so I think this is going to work out." - Harstem, or any gold rated player like myself at any given point.
gl with ur new hotkeys, stream is already hot.
First game i feel if you moges into your buildings and uaed them as cover instead of the minerals you might have won, his units might hit batteries instead of your units and it blocks the lings ?
dude goat cheese is the goat
My brain hurts a little in that second game when there's no enemy detection and sits there attacking with a single DT.
well done gg
I LOVE IT
it's crazy
Definitely no GOAT cheese
why does zerg feel the need to attack into the aggressive 3rd?
I wonder if a void ray would be good, becuase you could kill his ovie that he was using for vision on 'your' third. Or you could use it to harras his fourth thats going to be far away and he would have to send over some queens.
i think too slow killing zerglings, could get the base overwhelmed. maybe against terran and definitely toss
@@miza6 that's a good point, the oracle definitely chews through lings much faster.
That hoodie is tight, looks comfy af too. where can i get one?
Closest sheep farm will offer the best price
omg please keep playing this
I saw the thumbnail, and thought they were neural parasites on shield batteries. I was pretty sure you can't do that, but now I'm curious.
You can't neural buildings, only units including warp prism.
@@joshuadalton6063 but did you try it?
its just beautiful
Aldi sells goat milk, you should try it.
I'm happy there's nobody at blizzard anymore, otherwise Harstem would get the battery nerfed with this
If you dont know what youre doing neither does your enemy.
Is there a Harstem discord?
very good content. we are all content
um. goat cheese slaps...
Goat cheese is great!
FINALLY :D been screaming about using offensive battery station with nexus's for recall and overcharge for too long.
the general idea off what you can do is very limited on pro players, there is just too many things not utilized that could still be utilized; i am blaming apmhell gameplay for destroying the strategy aspect ;D
30:18 want to see more off it yes.
also you don't need to put this at a base, you can put it at a good defensive point instead, effectively shutting down any attempt to bypass it for the rest off the game while applying an insane pressure from it.
late tech would be having tempest sit back there and constantly fire in with oracle revelation; if vipers come near move back behind defencee and snipe theem
I recently skip robotic and went straight to sky toss. found a lot of success because mass lurker and liberator are annoying as hell.
Game 2 he really should have just split his units and attacked his main. Rav could bust down the front door
Watch Has play this every game in his next tourney
if zerg gets a surround instead of fighting frontal, toss just die no?
for the altg chief
Goat cheese is great. Now I'm triggered.
New protos meta
I can't get it.
Last time queen was nerfed so walking queens straight into protoss base became not viable, but now you can move your face near to creep region and win the game?
There is a big difference between someone making mass queens to try and attack at a specific timing and someone making a normal amount of queens cause they don't know this is coming
Use pls battery with full mana after nexus
You don't like goat cheese? D;
I would genuinely be so mad if this dumb strategy beat me! It's like if you're in a ten pin bowling championship and you have some clown who is bowling between his own legs, yet somehow keeps getting strikes! it's infuriating! like HOW DARE YOU build on MY THIRD! I would throw my entire army at that base. Pull workers if I have to. you are just NOT having it!
But i love goat cheese
Beat Grandmaster with Stupid stuff proposal: Keep taking the outer expansion and immediately saturate them fully before saturating the oldest base. Step up: Take the steal the enemy bases and mine them out
Bro you're still defending! That battery isn't offensive at all its fine! You're defending you're third! Lol
Batteries should be able to transfer energy to other batteries
I lost 400 mmr because i wanted to make proxy mothership rush work. Granted I'm in diamond so going from d1 to d3 didnt matter to me. (tho it made cheeses much easier to make work)
:)
this does not quite look like the cheesiest man alive but more like beating GM with stupid stuff
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New Cheese / Beat Grandmaster with Stupid Stuff Idea: I don't know it's possible or not, but FLYING planetary fortress rush ( NOT 1, BUT 4 - 5 fly at the same time ) arrived at enemy location and just become the best defense offense in the front line.
planetary fortresses cant fly afaik
@@invisiblehippo4162 TT_TT ah yes you're right........ >,
Nice audio balancing noob.