Raptureless and Victorious Eschatology Exposed Jonathan Welton, Harold Eberle, and Martin Trench
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ต.ค. 2024
- Exposing the lies connected to two popular partial preterist books and their authors...Jonathan Welton, Harold Eberle, and Martin Trench.
Jesus said, "This generation." The events of 70AD were the fulfillment of Jesus' words "This generation," in Matthew 24.
When the levitical records were destroyed, animal sacrifice was eventually converted into the unquestioned authority of the Rabbis. This was the end of the Mosaic Covenant in 70AD
The teacher said “stop going to meetings...” but I just listened to this one. Teachers are a gift... idk if any one has the “full revelation”... we need each other to sharpen each other and the Holy Spirit reveals the Truth.
The teacher really worked hard to
1. Discredit 3 Christian brothers
2. Argue his point about what several late ministers truly believed
3. Make fun of folks who use teaching helps (the cards)
He did not attempt to address the Scripture, historical accuracy of Josephus, Eusibus, Historical contextual relevance, time stamps revealed in the texts, etc...
I see what he is doing but, calling into question the integrity of a few author’s does not negate the validity of partial preterism.
Very well done. I’m in the process of divorcing Martin Trench 🙌🏻
Thank you for taking the time to comment. My hope is that your faith has not been damaged by his teachings (?). Years ago a man from your church contacted me and asked for help because he had a meeting with Martin. He wanted to address his concerns with his teachings. He said he had “changed”. The meeting did not go well. Ego was in full control. He pulled his family out. It was hard. I am wondering if “narcissism” is a key component to the personality of these guys…just like Jonathan Welton. I know you have more important things to deal with -but- if you are ever inclined to …please email me. I am interested in the preterist/new age/false teacher mindset. It would be helpful to hear from someone so close to the messenger/message. If there is any way I can help - let me know. My email is - Kod2112@comcast.net
Hi Christine, I'm so sorry to hear that. I'm an ordained prophetic leader who knew Martin many years ago in Scotland. I'm really shocked to see that he is still going down this path...and taking others with him. Praying for you. God bless you 🙏 🙏
@@jer3335 please pray for the church family he’s leading astray, as it’s an anchor with chains and links which are lies and deception, also my two daughters who are under it. It’s all linked to freemasonry connections of big money in Canada. Larry Andrews funding him. 🙏🏻
JESUS is KING of KING'S.. Reach 1 Teach 1.. Soul Winner... GOD is on his throne We Win.. RAPTURE bound..
This man is right about these false teachings. These ppl are offsprings of the devil. Jonathan Welton needs to get a life and stop trying to mess everybody else’s up.
Nice job breaking this down so well. I just learned about this Raptureless book, and you boiled it down to the fundamental error here, being Dominionism.
You are right ..thank you brother . They have no clue ...prophecies are also for the jews and Paul's mystries are for us ..it's all going down soon right before our eys..
Thanks Jeannette
IF you listen those people the teaching, getting to change the life, more love God and people. And Holy Spirit joyful in you, you will now what is right or not. The fruits is talking.
What are your thoughts on Dr Gary DeMar? Are you as equally scathing towards him too?
(And have you listened to his debate with good ol Tommy Ice?)
Excellent work!!
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment.
This is what is wrong with the Church. I was JW for 20 years. I believe they ha d Truth. I spent 20 years looking for the True interpretations. I’ve found I could not live that long. See no Evil Hear no Evil Say no Evil. Believe that Jesus is Lord. You can’t find the tire intent without Holy Spirit.
Jeff- why is dispensationalism any better? Consider it all Joy. I see no Joy. When I listen to Herold Eberly I see Joy. Thy will be done!
I think you're confounding partial and full preterism. There are, and have been, theologians who have gelled partial preterism with historicism (affirming the future resurrection at Christ's return, etc.). These would agree that full preterism is heresy.
On a related note, would you consider historicism and/or idealism heretical?
All the new testament books were originally written as letters with no chapters. It doesn't matter when they pieced the letters together and whoever split them into chapters I have no idea. But originally they were letters to people. It doesn't matter if the apostle wrote the letters himself or had a scribe do the job for him, but it's obvious they were written as letters not books.
Jeff Nicholes the idea of an Antichrist figure came from John Darby. The Bible never speaks of an Antichrist figure not once, but rather the spirit of Antichrist. Never is it mentioned in the Book of Revelations not once.
The church fathers mentioned the antichrist many, many, times. Research it.
Study the bible for yourself, man. Dont listen to anybody, but God......, then you will see whos right, and whos speaking for the soulenemy.
Perhaps Jonathan Edwards changed his viewpoint later on. I'm no preterist btw
Excellent wow
And how long did you study in one of the best Bible Colleges in the world to become a Dr of Theology like Dr Martin Trench did? PS. He also experienced years of worship services mostly in Evangelical spirit filled denominations. I read the book Victorious Eschatology. It doesn't say there will be no rapture. It simply says the tribulation spoken in Revelations already happened to Gods people years ago. Jesus did tell his disciples that their generation will not pass away before it takes place. I have no clue how you can conclude that book says there will be no rapture. It doesn't say that in any way shape or form.
Why don't you write your own book so we can read it and know your contribution to the work of God . I have watch you for some time and you are of no use to the church of God.
Last thing we need is more books. They tend to be along the lines of Sun Myung Moon, saying that Christ didn't finish his work, and that Moon was appointed to finish it.
What is your background theologically? One can easily tell where you coming from with your critique. What filter are you using? Those books behind you can be placed by a dufus. So why should I take you serious?
Obviously you don't get where I'm coming from. Theology, sounds like something coming from religious types. You spoke for other people also, saying so "we" can read it. Seems you have no problem making blanket statements, such as him being no use to the Church of God. Not everyone agrees with you. Not everyone has to write books. Not many read them either...if they ever do get published and distributed. Maybe you should offer to finance it? Obviously you wouldn't, since you've already stated that he has no use to the Church of God. Sounds like pure sarcasm. If he wants to publish videos only, that's fair enough.
what a joke. youtube you're a moron