Hebron parent here - we were so excited to see you guys live and LOVED your show! I wish the kids from the bands could see each other's live performances at GN. Congrats on a great win - well done!
Avon is total class , what an incredible group. Enjoy the feeling, I remember finals night in 1997 when I was in the band at Marian Catholic and the feeling of being a grand national champion, it truly is special when they bring out the Eagle in front of 30 thousand fans. Enjoy every second!!
As a completely biased Hebron supporter, this show, Tableaux, was an absolute masterpiece and completely deserved the Eagle. Pictures at an Exhibition used in a completely new way, along with the paintings coming alive in 3d, holy crap what a beautiful show. I was bored after 30 secs of Carmel's show, but I don't think I blinked a single time during Avon's. Bravo!
Look guys, this is a winning show in any state. For those of you unfamiliar with it, this is the style of field marching prevalent in competitive shows now. I am old school as well, but if you look at the book and score now, it is more difficult than ever. Also, if you are wondering how Avon ascended to the pinnacle after a long drought, two words... Matt Harloff. This musical genius is well respected in DCI (Drum Corp International) and has long been considered the King of Brass. He is the supervising Brass Caption Head at Carolina Crown Drum and Bugle Corp which was awarded the 2023 Jim Ott Best Brass Performance award at the DCI World Championship in August. He is also the new Head director at Avon High School. He is well known for creating continuous walls of sound with no drop off which was obvious in this performance. Congratulations to Matt and the tremendous group of musicians and performers for the award that you most definitely deserved!
Matt was at Avon in 2008-2010 when they won and every year since then when they have been top 3 every year. The reason the got back over the hump to win was Visual.
@@andrewholifield2405 Matt is an outstanding teacher and creator. He is a great friend and a huge fan of my high school band director , Greg Bimm from Marian Catholic who recently retired. If you aren’t familiar with Mr.Bimm-google him-widely considered to be one of the greatest directors to have ever done it. Matt Harloff will be thought of in the same way as he continues doing incredible things in the field.
Congratulations to all the hard working young men and women who suburbly executed the performance. Matt, what a great modernized concept of a high school marching band staple, "Pictures at an Exhibition." From concept, to arrangement, to drill design, to execution, it was mesmerizing. (p.s. that color guard was better than some DCI color guards...you all sold the show!).
Qualifying myself as merely an aged, avid fan at the outset, here goes: Tarpon Springs ‘14; Ronald Reagan ‘03 [yes, I KNOW, 2nd place]; and Rocky Mt. ‘84. North Carolina homer? Guilty as charged😉
I’m a former band mom and sub band teacher now retired. I see why they’re national champions. This show could surpass some of the most elite DCI Corps. The visuals, sound effects, all top tier. Way to go young people!!!
I was so rooting for someone to beat Carmel and I am glad they did. Easily the best percussion at BOA finals. Can someone explain their show though to me? I don't know what their show is called (Tavlow, Tablow?) and what it is about. It seems in reference to an art form of some sort involving frameworks based on their show design. Their show makes me think of the Blue Knights and the Blue Stars.
Yeah ofc! So basically the theme of our show is picture and shapes and throughout the show we have different scenery visually and musically. We use frames to create awesome illusions and not to mention,our flute soloist is amazing I love her so much! The stripes on our sides are supposed to help create more illusions and pictures! This was an amazing season thanks to everyone!
DCI allows up to 165 mm. More room to stage "stuff" for their theme. Did you like Woodlands "oversized stages"? DCI top guards do more difficulty and do more to support the show theme.
Man they deserved this win. This year was really exciting to see Carmel and Avon battle it out! I personally think Carmel deserved general effect, but I’m not mad Avon won! Their program is the most well rounded in the country(great winds, great percussion, great guard). It was only a matter of time before they won
Avon just seems to field the highest level of HS marching competency students year over year! I’m so happy for Indiana that we didn’t get to see Carmel with Eagle again! lol. At the risk of being critical or being called a Texas homer I just don’t see Avon or Carmel attempting brass difficulty as those programs that rotate 2-4 years. Both Avon and Carmel can have a visual production rivaled to a DCI top tier program but have a music book that most elite TX feeder junior high programs can master! Am I missing something or has BOA just bought the whole WGI philosophy and adjudication format?
I say this as a Texas fan, but Carmel plays crazy difficult music and does it insanely clean. I was actually more impressed with Carmel than I was with Hebron since their book is more difficult than Hebron’s despite Hebron being much cleaner than Carmel, which any advanced brass player would agree. No one is doing the challenging symphonic styles Carmel has been doing. Hebron probably is capable, but unfortunately we will never know because they’re stuck with the UIL rubric. Both are actually different. The complexities that Carmel does may not always come across as difficult, unless you have an understanding of music theory and changing meters. If you don’t think Carmel’s music is difficult, then you’re probably not a brass player. Plain and simple.
@@LamaWithoutMat Carmel’s music style is one of a kind. No doubt a mature brass player can understand the demand and complexities that come with performing symphonic (Chamber) type books. That being said, Chamber and symphonic music has its refined lush moments but it also has moments of brass valve demand and prowess depending on maturity of arrangement. That’s is what is missing with Carmels books. A comprehensive score that encompasses both demands. For as much as I love Saucedo, it is apparent that he writes and scores according to the strengths and weaknesses of the program. Yes BA, TS and the rest of the Texas elites maybe and easily pull off a Carmel book but there is NO way that the greyhound brass section can pull off anything Hebron has fielded (2019,2021-23). To say otherwise makes it obvious that you are probably not a mature level brass player. Simple! Lack of LOS intonation exposure is another reason I’m convinced that Carmel and Avon usually musically pull off Nat’s. Books that their colleagues from the south bring are just seem equal in demand. It’s not that apparent but It is much harder for an untrained ear to hear intonation, modal and voice issues when you have reverb and echo in an enclosed environment . Plus BOA doesn’t really adjudicate and score on intonation which is odd tbh. BOA judges a more subjective experience according to the handbooks I’ve read. Probably why the artsy pageantry shows seem to do so well? This is not meant to be a comprehensive response to your claim but I want to leave you with an ISSMA recording of Carmel just a few weeks before Nats. Weather aside you tell me if you still hear maturity, clarity, richness of sound and finesse or any kind of brass valve demand. Yes they are a good high school program and visually DCI level so please don’t get my intentions or comments wrong. Carmel won State if I remember correctly but Avon at Nats was just a notch above! They deserved the win. Carmel ISSMA outdoor performance th-cam.com/video/dxn41fn1Qwo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=3zHT3_fnqyqldpu6
@@johnnychikko3800 Dude bands practice outside almost all the time, sometimes indoors. There’s no reason for a successful and amazing band to not sound that great outdoors. I also don’t think it’s appropriate to assume or conspire that Avon and Carmel always practice indoors because we don’t know what they do, mostly alumnus know.
cause our shows our built for uil (texas stuff) for state cause our state is way way way more competitive than grand nats plus uil restricts texas bands work limit and when we can learn the show so yall got more time anyway edit: avons show is really really clean and i suppose they deserved it, just how the band sounds imo is the most important part and i expected a better music preformance especially with matt
@@Crown_678just because the band you didn’t want to win won doesn’t mean you have to be rude, the Avon kids worked hard, everyone at nationals did, but you could feel a drive from them, they haven’t gotten this in 13 years, give ‘em a break
@@Mario-gd5qkNats is not a true National Championship. Had the Top 100 attendanced you might be looking at a Tarpon or Vandy Chanp. Let’s not get carried away. It’s an apples and oranges discussion. Remember Texas can’t get visual assignments till August 1st. Indiana has access and practice a whole month longer so of-course they will always be cleaner come November. Avon totally deserved the Eagle at this Nats but rarely does that mean that the Eagle winner is the best in the country. Actually that is hardly the case 2010’s +.
@@Mario-gd5qk I’m not coping with anything. Just giving my opinion. I have no dog in this fight. And also the rules are different in Texas state comps. If the Texas schools didn’t have to adhere to strict rules in their own comp I think Texas bands would clear the boa comp.
Avon doesn't even look like a high school marching band, running around the field like athletes, no decent unforms, no hats, thats not a marching band to me.
That was just for this years show. The way we were moving it was designed to help up not Trip all over. Can you imagine if we had to wear heaving coats?! Would’ve been horrible
And they've shocked the band world by winning their first title in 13 years!!
its not there first eh
@@chixoe7112 it is in 13 years, I know I won in 2010
Yes they still can’t march in time to save their lives
It was an experience for sure
@@xxichopixx7203 I can't wait to join it next year
Congrats! Moved to tears, being an old HS band director who loved every minute of this. Be so Proud.
Stunningly original use of props. That finish gave me chills.
Hebron parent here - we were so excited to see you guys live and LOVED your show! I wish the kids from the bands could see each other's live performances at GN. Congrats on a great win - well done!
Avon took a field trip on Friday of GN and watched Hebron! They were impressed.
Hebron's show was a musical masterpiece!
Avon is total class , what an incredible group. Enjoy the feeling, I remember finals night in 1997 when I was in the band at Marian Catholic and the feeling of being a grand national champion, it truly is special when they bring out the Eagle in front of 30 thousand fans. Enjoy every second!!
Way to go Avon, great performance! Congratulations from Broken Arrow, OK
You guys did pretty good yourself! On a side note I will forever have your show from 2022 stuck in my head forever! love from Avon!
As a completely biased Hebron supporter, this show, Tableaux, was an absolute masterpiece and completely deserved the Eagle. Pictures at an Exhibition used in a completely new way, along with the paintings coming alive in 3d, holy crap what a beautiful show. I was bored after 30 secs of Carmel's show, but I don't think I blinked a single time during Avon's. Bravo!
I am one of members grandma who 60 years ago was in a little country school but we had a band, I am so happy and excited for Avon
Look guys, this is a winning show in any state. For those of you unfamiliar with it, this is the style of field marching prevalent in competitive shows now. I am old school as well, but if you look at the book and score now, it is more difficult than ever. Also, if you are wondering how Avon ascended to the pinnacle after a long drought, two words... Matt Harloff. This musical genius is well respected in DCI (Drum Corp International) and has long been considered the King of Brass. He is the supervising Brass Caption Head at Carolina Crown Drum and Bugle Corp which was awarded the 2023 Jim Ott Best Brass Performance award at the DCI World Championship in August. He is also the new Head director at Avon High School. He is well known for creating continuous walls of sound with no drop off which was obvious in this performance. Congratulations to Matt and the tremendous group of musicians and performers for the award that you most definitely deserved!
Matt was at Avon in 2008-2010 when they won and every year since then when they have been top 3 every year.
The reason the got back over the hump to win was Visual.
This isn’t winning in any state cuz they weren’t even as good as Hebron
Only win cuz they’re in Indiana bias
@@andrewholifield2405 Matt is an outstanding teacher and creator. He is a great friend and a huge fan of my high school band director , Greg Bimm from Marian Catholic who recently retired. If you aren’t familiar with Mr.Bimm-google him-widely considered to be one of the greatest directors to have ever done it. Matt Harloff will be thought of in the same way as he continues doing incredible things in the field.
This isn’t winning in Texas because vandegrift got first lol
Who can forget the virtuosic flute solo(s)? The soloist was one for remarking upon in the history of BoA.
Congratulations to all the hard working young men and women who suburbly executed the performance. Matt, what a great modernized concept of a high school marching band staple, "Pictures at an Exhibition." From concept, to arrangement, to drill design, to execution, it was mesmerizing. (p.s. that color guard was better than some DCI color guards...you all sold the show!).
Congratulations Avon! You have out drum corps-ed drum corps.
very proud alumni. Brought it home after 13 long, long years. so much love, eat em up AMBG 💛🖤💜
best marching band in america as it should be #WeLoveYouAvon
let’s not get carried away
Thanks man!
POV: Vandegrift got a higher score
@@Crown_678they aren’t really getting carried away. They won the biggest competition in America.
@@derpyderp2048 POV: That was a different competition with different judges against different bands. Those scores aren’t that comparable.
"Iconoclash" is on my BOA Mt. Rushmore of championship shows, but better than a decade on, Avon still has the goods.
Well done, kids🏆👍
What would you say the other shows up there are?
Qualifying myself as merely an aged, avid fan at the outset, here goes: Tarpon Springs ‘14; Ronald Reagan ‘03 [yes, I KNOW, 2nd place]; and Rocky Mt. ‘84. North Carolina homer? Guilty as charged😉
3:45 put me to bed, winner winner games over!
The characteristic sound, the control, the balance…
3:57 the motif is exquisite 🍫🍫🍫❤️❤️❤️
I know right that gorgeous Mello entrance on the motif at 4:16 is what did it for me
The fact that they did this all in just a few months is incredible!! THISS GOES OUT TO ALL BANDS.
It was a great season and we are very proud
Saw this live, absolutely awesome show!! Definitely deserved 1st place
wowww holy shit that is great playing and writing. congrats on the title, y'all were on fire
flute soloist is goated
I’m a former band mom and sub band teacher now retired. I see why they’re national champions. This show could surpass some of the most elite DCI Corps. The visuals, sound effects, all top tier. Way to go young people!!!
well deserved national champs..💛🖤💛🖤
Congratulations to Avon for their first place win!
excellent performance! can't wait to see you this year! (from another band going to indy)
This is amazing!! Wish I knew what piece they were performing lol it sounds so beautiful!
Pictures at an exhibition
perfect marching technique from Carolina crown director
Is Harloff the main director now? Did the new guy already resign and go back to Npc academy?
Yeah lol
Avon has the best design team. I thought they should have won last year also.
Thanks man!
I was so rooting for someone to beat Carmel and I am glad they did. Easily the best percussion at BOA finals. Can someone explain their show though to me? I don't know what their show is called (Tavlow, Tablow?) and what it is about. It seems in reference to an art form of some sort involving frameworks based on their show design. Their show makes me think of the Blue Knights and the Blue Stars.
Tableaux
@@loganhunt6307 Looked up the word and that just explained everything.
Yeah ofc! So basically the theme of our show is picture and shapes and throughout the show we have different scenery visually and musically. We use frames to create awesome illusions and not to mention,our flute soloist is amazing I love her so much! The stripes on our sides are supposed to help create more illusions and pictures! This was an amazing season thanks to everyone!
Fantastic modern interpretation of Mussorgsky’s masterpiece!
Based on the music of Pictures at an Exhibition
Beautiful 🤩
Is Jethro Tull out there?
Excellent job! Congratulations 🎉
I got the reference 🤣
Hey, DCI! Pay attention! Less narration. Less oversized stages. More unison guard work! Many bands returning to headgear!
DCI allows up to 165 mm. More room to stage "stuff" for their theme. Did you like Woodlands "oversized stages"? DCI top guards do more difficulty and do more to support the show theme.
I wish more groups just did modernized shakos instead of removing them entirely
Dci can go to hell.
isnt 6:34 something that’s played in CC 2013??
Man they deserved this win. This year was really exciting to see Carmel and Avon battle it out! I personally think Carmel deserved general effect, but I’m not mad Avon won! Their program is the most well rounded in the country(great winds, great percussion, great guard). It was only a matter of time before they won
The rifles and color guard alone won.
Like Center Grove 1995
woodlands guard was good as well
Drumline was out for blood this year, they’re gonna go stupid at WGI 🗿
To the other bands... good game!
Wow. Buttoned up!
so glad they won and regained there title from caramel
Avon just seems to field the highest level of HS marching competency students year over year! I’m so happy for Indiana that we didn’t get to see Carmel with Eagle again! lol.
At the risk of being critical or being called a Texas homer I just don’t see Avon or Carmel attempting brass difficulty as those programs that rotate 2-4 years.
Both Avon and Carmel can have a visual production rivaled to a DCI top tier program but have a music book that most elite TX feeder junior high programs can master! Am I missing something or has BOA just bought the whole WGI philosophy and adjudication format?
I say this as a Texas fan, but Carmel plays crazy difficult music and does it insanely clean. I was actually more impressed with Carmel than I was with Hebron since their book is more difficult than Hebron’s despite Hebron being much cleaner than Carmel, which any advanced brass player would agree. No one is doing the challenging symphonic styles Carmel has been doing. Hebron probably is capable, but unfortunately we will never know because they’re stuck with the UIL rubric. Both are actually different. The complexities that Carmel does may not always come across as difficult, unless you have an understanding of music theory and changing meters. If you don’t think Carmel’s music is difficult, then you’re probably not a brass player. Plain and simple.
@@LamaWithoutMat Carmel’s music style is one of a kind. No doubt a mature brass player can understand the demand and complexities that come with performing symphonic (Chamber) type books.
That being said, Chamber and symphonic music has its refined lush moments but it also has moments of brass valve demand and prowess depending on maturity of arrangement. That’s is what is missing with Carmels books. A comprehensive score that encompasses both demands. For as much as I love Saucedo, it is apparent that he writes and scores according to the strengths and weaknesses of the program. Yes BA, TS and the rest of the Texas elites maybe and easily pull off a Carmel book but there is NO way that the greyhound brass section can pull off anything Hebron has fielded (2019,2021-23). To say otherwise makes it obvious that you are probably not a mature level brass player. Simple!
Lack of LOS intonation exposure is another reason I’m convinced that Carmel and Avon usually musically pull off Nat’s. Books that their colleagues from the south bring are just seem equal in demand. It’s not that apparent but It is much harder for an untrained ear to hear intonation, modal and voice issues when you have reverb and echo in an enclosed environment . Plus BOA doesn’t really adjudicate and score on intonation which is odd tbh. BOA judges a more subjective experience according to the handbooks I’ve read. Probably why the artsy pageantry shows seem to do so well?
This is not meant to be a comprehensive response to your claim but I want to leave you with an ISSMA recording of Carmel just a few weeks before Nats. Weather aside you tell me if you still hear maturity, clarity, richness of sound and finesse or any kind of brass valve demand. Yes they are a good high school program and visually DCI level so please don’t get my intentions or comments wrong.
Carmel won State if I remember correctly but Avon at Nats was just a notch above! They deserved the win.
Carmel ISSMA outdoor performance
th-cam.com/video/dxn41fn1Qwo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=3zHT3_fnqyqldpu6
@@johnnychikko3800 They sound really good outside. Rarely hear any exposures tbh. Sorry man
@@LamaWithoutMat Then we will respectfully have to agree to disagree. 👽
@@johnnychikko3800 Dude bands practice outside almost all the time, sometimes indoors. There’s no reason for a successful and amazing band to not sound that great outdoors. I also don’t think it’s appropriate to assume or conspire that Avon and Carmel always practice indoors because we don’t know what they do, mostly alumnus know.
Did they forget their hats?
Texas is bitter AGAIN ....
NO SURPRISE
cause our shows our built for uil (texas stuff) for state cause our state is way way way more competitive than grand nats
plus uil restricts texas bands work limit and when we can learn the show so yall got more time anyway
edit: avons show is really really clean and i suppose they deserved it, just how the band sounds imo is the most important part and i expected a better music preformance especially with matt
@@Crown_678ooh someone’s a little hurt
@@Linguineo yuh
@@Crown_678just because the band you didn’t want to win won doesn’t mean you have to be rude, the Avon kids worked hard, everyone at nationals did, but you could feel a drive from them, they haven’t gotten this in 13 years, give ‘em a break
@@Linguineo you right i apologize, just took their clean movements for granted and i just expected more musically but im happy with them winning now
Why can’t Texas elitist accept the fact that the top two bands in the nation are both from Indy. This would still be #1 if Vandergrift attended.
Idk carmel was just not it this year
🥱
Sorry you missed Vandergrifts show. They were incredible this year!
Hebron was supposedly better than Vandergrift for most of the season and then Avon and Carmel were left competing against each other at Nationals.
@@Mario-gd5qkNats is not a true National Championship. Had the Top 100 attendanced you might be looking at a Tarpon or Vandy Chanp.
Let’s not get carried away. It’s an apples and oranges discussion. Remember Texas can’t get visual assignments till August 1st. Indiana has access and practice a whole month longer so of-course they will always be cleaner come November.
Avon totally deserved the Eagle at this Nats but rarely does that mean that the Eagle winner is the best in the country. Actually that is hardly the case 2010’s +.
Insane how much they suck at sports
their barley playing their instruments jesus
their closers sick though
isnt their bd the crown brass guy
They clearly won...! Hebron is a park n blow block band....
but when they do it's really good
@@macerunner4674 yeah
Great Band. This wouldn’t win at Texas state marching comp tho.
I mean, considering they 2-pointed the third place 6A band from Texas, I wouldn't be too sure
Hebron was almost 2 full points from the eagle this is insane cope. The woodlands? Even further.
@@Mario-gd5qk I’m not coping with anything. Just giving my opinion. I have no dog in this fight. And also the rules are different in Texas state comps. If the Texas schools didn’t have to adhere to strict rules in their own comp I think Texas bands would clear the boa comp.
@@anthonydixon4636They were better than any Texas group, it is what it is.
texas scores are most inflated scores in country
Avon doesn't even look like a high school marching band, running around the field like athletes, no decent unforms, no hats, thats not a marching band to me.
That was just for this years show. The way we were moving it was designed to help up not Trip all over. Can you imagine if we had to wear heaving coats?! Would’ve been horrible
Ok if we “aren’t a matching band” please tell me who won state and nats??
they all can outplay you any day bozo.
What a tiny band.