Hebron parent here! We're getting way too caught up on scoring. The directors always talk about how live music is about connecting with the audience and the feeling you get enjoying it. How the judges quantify the performance into numbers and how those numbers compare to other bands' numbers is VERY secondary to "How did you feel at the end of your show? Did you do everything you could to help the people standing next to you achieve their potential?" Of course we'd love to win (who wouldn't?) But we came to do our best and put on a great show. And our last run was our best run, which is Mission Accomplished. The reactions of the fans are what we'll remember in 50 years, not the scores or rankings. Did you enjoy it? Did it inspire you, make you feel something? That's a win.
My band was supposed to stay and watch Hebron preform at Region since they're in our region but we couldn't this year due to homecoming that same evening, we got to watch Odesssey FM in person and it was amazing for it being earlier on in the season. Im always surprised at how fast these big 6A schools clean their intricate shows! congrats on a great season!
Glad you enjoy them! Of course we'd love to win first place every time (who wouldn't?) but our directors emphasize that winning is secondary to connecting with the audience; making them feel something. The scores are just a way to earn another chance to perform, to connect with another audience. If you felt something and if you remember that feeling then that's a win... regardless of how the judges quantified the technicalities of our performance and ranked them against the technicalities of others' performances. In 50 years none of these students will remember who ranked in which places and who got which captions, but they'll all remember that feeling as they finished a performance and heard the roar of the crowd in appreciation. They'll remember how hard they worked with their fellow bandmates to achieve something magical together. They'll remember how much they miss it when it was over. So I'm glad you remember those ballads. That means they connected with you. And that's a win for any live performer.
@@hebronbandchaperonewell 2019 among the stars certainly made me, an audience member, feel something. I don’t really care that Vandegrift won, that was a great show, but Among the Stars is the show I will always remember and cherish from that season. Great theme, amazing music, so much emotion.
I will say penstriped is still my favorite show but man this show was incredible in so many ways. The different key signatures used in this show made it so mysterious and pretty sounding. And that euphonium solo gave me chills. Great work this year Hebron! 💯
As a random kid from a small town in Indiana, I have mad respect for these guys. Their visuals were great, and their music was even better. We should all aspire to be like them. I know that they didn’t win, but they had a great damn show. Keep up the good work and shoot for the stars in the years to come.
The musical execution is outstanding. Best sounding band I have heard. It seemed Avon had a more complex show (very DCI like, IMO) but no doubt, this is one of the best bands in the nation.
So. Like... I was genuinely baffled at all of these shows tonight, and Hebron hit me the most with music. Some of the brass hits today have been the best I have ever heard in person, and it gives me a lot to look towards working on to get better. I'm good, but they are.... all of the bands today are a different league entirely. I'm glad I got to watch everyone
everything about high school music contests is about money like the tmea all state band contest and its so weird how most people don't think thats the case
@@DisabusingTheLeft You may be correct but I don’t look to BOA adjudication sheets as absolute. They are just another judging philosophy. GE visual and GE designer production account for 45 percent of overall BOA score. It’s irrelevant, antiquated and needs reform. I just watch Nats to see the difference and beauty of the country overall. #1 at Nats has hardly been the best program in the country for a long time now. I still love the pageantry of Lucas!
@@johnnychikko3800 I hear ya. My pet peav with Grant Nats and competitive marching in general is the subjective judging. But I accept it for what it is. It is extremely difficult to judge one show from the next, and the methodology for assigning scores is kinda crazy. It requires the judges to have some familiarity with the bands ahead of time in order to even have a chance of getting it right. I have seen MANY bands over the years where I thought, "Oh they should make semis for sure" only to never see them advance. I marched MANY years ago, and I don't have kids marching anymore, but I still take days off for Grand Nats to watch the livestream for 3 days. I see the good, the bad and the AWESOME!!! I have trained myself to look for what I believe the judges are looking to reward, and have gotten to where I can predict accurately about 85-90% of the time. But I still don't like the methodology. Hebron has an AMAZING program from what I have seen over the years. They are in a different galaxy, and yet, they seem to not get their just recognition. But it is what it is. I still get to just enjoy watching without having to console kids afterwards or tell them scoring doesn't matter at a competitive event. 😄
Knowing the boa judging system I get the placement so much more. But I think it draws attention to the fact that the caption weighting in BOA is way off, 20 music 20 visual 60 GE. It just doesn’t allow for extreme music or drill to be rewarded on its own
Was at finals it was obvious to me that Avon deserved that eagle. Avon is just simply closer to matching Hebron in music than Hebron is to matching them in visual. In fact, Hebron scored a whole point lower than both Avon and Carmel in ge music.
@@thereallore1268 lol, maybe you should post a billboard along i-35. It might be easier than copying and pasting the same thing in multiple spots of this comment section😂
These indiana bands are not in the same stratosphere as texas bands. Avon could not remotely play this music. The reason that texas bands are so good is the way that they teach music and have studio classes for every instrument. Texas bands are at an inherent advantage that simply being a large school (like avon or carmel) cannot overcome. That being said all of these indiana bands do not have any advantages in drill/music that texas bands could not overcome. I have zero bias as I went to school in tennessee. It's clear. If you look up concert band recordings from the high schools, the ones in indiana sound like top quality high school bands. The ones in texas sound like professionals. Even their middle school bands in texas are shocking@@thereallore1268
Y'all should've won. I was there and I was totally expecting you to win. It was amazing. I was proud of myself that I got those DCI references lol. I play tenor saxophone and I come from random band in Ohio, my band didn't go to BOA this year so I watched for funsies. Those parts are crazy. Good job guys. I hope you're proud of yourself despite not getting first.
33 bands in semifinals, Hebron’s third time being third . Avon’s first win in twenty 3 , from their original 3-peat. Won by Harloff, drum major of Star 9(3), (3)0 years later. 3 and 3, you got it, 33 degree freemasonry.
I lived in Carrollton for a bit, so I decided to put my money on them. They did not disappoint. I'd hate to be a judge because I don't know how they did any less than the others. Props that are stationary was all I saw they could've done more with, but music and tech... straight A's.
@@thereallore1268yes because the Indiana bands go every year. if Hebron had gone last year or penstriped year, it would have been game over, and Vandegrift this year literally got a higher score at boa SA than Avon got at GN finals. For the Indiana bands, it’s so much cheaper to go but the Texas bands are usually regarded as better even though they usually can’t attend nationals.
@@Monke2120I can tell you exactly what happened. Avon traveled to several BOA regionals in 2017 including the Alamodome. They performed their Old Hundredth warmup as per usual but tossed in a Yellow Rose of Texas ending on it to honor and thank Texas for their hospitality. Then in finals they set one of the highest scores at the stadium. Alas, 3 other bands had better scores. Regardless, all the students and staff at Avon that year appreciated the kindness and welcoming of Texas especially FloMo for hosting. You would be surprised that other than size, Indiana and Texas raise their kids very similarly: with respect and kindness as if each was a neighbor.
@@thereallore1268 i love hebrons sound but avon and carmel have succh a refined product its fun to watch. The drill for avon had so many cool moments to show off their feet timing, avons uniform with the white line going down the leg also made their technique look so good
@@radredg7656Avon and Carmel are relevant at Nats because they get 5 more weeks to refine and groom a visual package more than any Texas program! Plus BOA adjudicates 30% score to designer attributes! No other adjudication philosophy does this except for maybe ISSMA. UIL does not allow drill or visual practice till August 1st since over 50 years. That has now changed. They can now learn drill July 31st. lol. Texas as a whole will usually never be as clean visually at the Midwest due to Texas restrictions but they can do what no one in the Midwest can do! Performs music (brass demand and valve movements) like no other in the country! If Texas has 5 extra weeks on visual then it would not be fair. Look at most of the Texas elites music books and power and valve prowess this last decade. No way Avon or Carmel could perform the brass book from Hebron 2019, 2021, 2022 or 2023! And I’m only taking about Hebron these past 5 years. Nats is fun to watch while the true overall talent only rotates every few years (ie TS, BA and the Texas Elites). Let’s not get it twisted
@jamescardona233 honestly good thing y'all usually aren't. It leaves room for competition. We saw during penstriped what happens when hebron is visually clean ☠️
Was at finals it was obvious to me that Avon deserved that eagle. Avon is just simply closer to matching Hebron in music than Hebron is to matching them in visual. In fact, Hebron scored a whole point lower than both Avon and Carmel in ge music.
I’m from Indiana, and this was my first time ever attending Grand Nats, just so I could watch these amazing Texas Bands. I remember my very first BOA show in 2015, we were slotted right before a AAA Class school, and how intimidating they were in size and sound. I felt that as an audience member when Hebron took the field. Amazing performance, amazing show! Also, Hebron students or parents that see this, what is the story/tradition behind your on field warmup song? I’ve never seen anything like it?
Was at finals it was obvious to me that Avon deserved that eagle. Avon is just simply closer to matching Hebron in music than Hebron is to matching them in visual. In fact, Hebron scored a whole point lower than both Avon and Carmel in ge music.
So glad they at least got High Music. I thought this was a better show in visuals than Avon but the GE for their show though is their weak spot. Would've had them ahead of Carmel though at the least. Their show is called "Monomyth: A Hero's Journey" for anyone that wants their show title. EDIT: Wait, THIS SHOW WAS 1ST BY A HALF A POINT AT PRELIMS, WTF?! HOW'D THEY DROP TO 4TH AND THEN 3RD?!
@thenelsonbruhs722 yeah...in DCI the GE award doesn't automatically go to the gold medalist....Crown won it in 2015 but placed 2nd...same with Bluecoats in 2019
I’m in the Organ Mountain High school Royal knight Regiment in New Mexico. We are the best in our city and one of the best in the state but I am scared and excited to go against and finally see all these Texas Bands at the 2024 San Antonio BOA. Especially Hebron. Ahhhhh I finally get to see Hebron in person 😃😄😆🤩 Can’t wait 😁
Hebron is tops!! Hebron band parent - I may be biased but I've had other children of mine perform with other high school bands and NONE compare. Congratulations to an AH-maxing 2023 marching session! 2024 starts now!!! #aiatt
"Ein Heldenleben" - Richard Strauss "Enter the Galaxies" - Paul Lovatt-Cooper "Millennium Celebration" - Gavin Greenaway "Holding Out for a Hero" - Bonnie Tyler (Jim Steinman/Dean Pitchford) 'Burning Bush' from "The Prince of Egypt" - Hans Zimmer 'Go the Distance' from "Hercules" - Alan Menken [Original Music] - Michael Martin/David Glyde
glad to see I'm not the only one that's baffled on how Hebron is not the Champion. No doubt Avon and Carmel are amazing, but no where close to the level Hebron is on.
Hebron had wonderful music but their visuals hurt them. People need to also recognize that although hebrons music is phenomenal, Carmel had deceptively hard music, and Avons wasn't too far behind. There is so much more to music than what Hebron does and other bands happen to do it but it's not appreciated nearly as much as it should be. So while Hebron is ahead in music, people exaggerate just how much, and don't even realize the gap caused in visuals.
@@thereallore1268 Well, due to cost, you don't get all of TX top bands every year to make it a true head-to-head competition of best on best. I am happy to congratulate Avon & Carmel for taking #1 and #2 at Grand Nats. Unlike others, I'll also say it was well deserved. But I'm gonna call BS on any notion that any of TX's top 8-10 bands couldn't go anywhere else and finish consistently in the top 3...and in many cases win. (Case in point, in 2019, Vandy finished top of Grand Nat prelims, semi-finals and Finals. And, I'll admit that Reagan might have even had a stronger show that year...so it MIGHT have been Vandy, Reagan and Hebron in top 5 spots had Reagan made the Indy trip. Also, this year Westwood, who didn't even make SA finals, went to St. Louis Regional and took 3rd ahead of Bentonville, a Grand Nat finalist.) And, the same set of judges go across the country and judge these BOA events. So, with a common judging pool, your claim of inflation in TX is just pure BS.
@@iainoam2565Carmel has hard music? No 8th, 16th and no Horn section valve demand? Trumpets never run. Yes chamber music is another skill set but in Texas arraignments are scored by difficulty in terms on mature playing. Marching a variation on Doxology 100 yer over year while Gaines writes a wonder visual package might keep you top three at BOA but usually doesn’t make you the best overall program in the country. Apples and oranges 🍊
@@johnnychikko3800 I'm not saying they had lots of 8ths and 16ths I'm just saying people need to not completely ignore one set of skills and worship the other. The point of them being apples and oranges is what I was trying to make.
Hmmm, 2022 and 2023 state UIL tells a different story. Oh, but I guess those judges got it wrong too. lol. Maybe we can all find judges, referees and umpires that just agree with all of us. Oh, wait, they do🤔
Hebron should have won the national contest. I'm not surprised that 1st and 2nd place went to Indiana bands. As a musician, I am amazed at the level of music In Hebron's performance. Back in the day, we marched military and didn't memorize our music, which was mostly because we marched a different show every week. Congratulations Hebron. You were robbed of the winning trophy. Good luck in 2024. Bring your game!
Congrats, Hebron. You had a very good year, including a well-deserved 3rd place finish at UIL for consistency. It would have been great to have had a couple of Leander ISD bands at Grand Nats. Perhaps that would have given TX an even better chance at dislodging the eagle from those IN schools. Better yet, wouldn’t it be great to alternate Grand Nats locations? Indy one year and AT&T Stadium or Alamodome the alternating year? Until something like that happens, seems like San Antonio Super Regional will cast a bit of a shadow on Grand Nats given the top-to-bottom strength in its list of TX finalists.
@@humptydumpty109 no one makes you read this, so buzz off. Nothing in my post was TX elitist at all, just because you took it that way. But, if we were all being honest, we would at least acknowledge that having Grand Nats in Indy every year is obviously an advantage for schools within an hour of Indy. Avon and Carmel in particular are great programs, but there is a reason it is called home field advantage.
@@thereallore1268 Lol, nice try. The BOA judges at say SA Super Regional are in many times the same judges that cover Grand Nats or Regionals in other states. They come from a common pool. If you bothered to look at the judging sheets, you would confirm this. So, if those judges have a tendency to inflate in TX, then they have an equal tendency to inflate at Grand Nats or in other Regionals across the country. So your statement is not logical, or factual and therefore flawed.
I agree sousas are harder to incorporate into the field, but I feel like switching to contras to prioritize the visual performance is a sacrifice for the overall music performance. Trombones and baritone saxes are also challenging to incorporate into drill and visuals, but I feel like the color and volume these three instruments add to the sound make them irreplaceable to a band that wants to sound distinct from a drum corps.
@brycehall8605 oh, as a contra player, you can get VOLUME out of one. It's more in embochure than air and you just need a larger section who can play like this. Sadly usually I carry my 9 person Contra section 💀
A standing ovation at grand nats is crazy. But hey that's our hebron and team texas for you. I'm already thinking about their next appearance. Why can't they go every year 😒
lol. No way. Sorry. You should really study what those top corps do. For one , they are taking only the top couple of percent of the best HS programs. It’s like suggesting that a good HS football team could compete with a top 10 college team. NFW.
The Hebron Marching band is so Amazing. I think that they are one of other the most famous high school marching bands in America. I mean just look at how many views this video has. 😆😁
Hebron chaperone here! We feed them 3 years of fantastic middle school programs that prepare them to handle the challenging high school music. (Also, dry sandwiches and Chick-fil-A.)
@@thereallore1268I disagree 💯. I can list reasons but it will still not convince those of the Midwest flavors. That’s is why this sport is subjective in nature
Clearly the winner of the night. They have to stop handing those Indiana schools undeserved championships in BOA and WGI. I’d say it’s like it’s like the Blue Devils in DCI but you can make an argument for them winning. Avon and Carmel can dump all over the field or floor and get handed a gold medal. Pretty ridiculous.
@@jennifergrief8742 Yeah, but not one of those two from TX was named Hebron. So naturally the sore losers in the Hebron fan base are going to dump on anyone else that wins over them...which, this year, were quite a few...including Marcus from their own back yard (at UIL state). It's kinda funny to read their comments of denial and rationalization. Instead, maybe they could just be gracious and congratulate Avon and Carmel who finished above them and deserved it. I'm hoping that its not their current band members who post this crap as any band member should appreciate the hard work and sacrifice put in. And surely Hebron band directors would teach their students to be gracious in winning and NOT winning. So, I suspect its the fans with this huge sense of entitlement. Its beyond shameful, especially for an "adult" to act like that.
@@joesekel7908 Hebron band parent here... I can attest that our kids are taught that everything is earned and nothing is promised or should be expected. Our band director ensures that humility is a key value in our band. We were ecstatic to get 3rd place and win the bronze medal! Anything you hear that suggests otherwise is likely from outside the Hebron band community.
I get that Carmel was clean next stuff but yeah the only thing that I really can remember is Carmel’s opener thing when they were faced back field and the ballad alsboWOODLANDS 5th!?
@@jwilk1281exactly. but the points when they did March and play it was just absolutely spectacular. That’s also why they got through that state this year. I’m surprised the Woodlands didnt score higher.
Hebron parent here!
We're getting way too caught up on scoring. The directors always talk about how live music is about connecting with the audience and the feeling you get enjoying it.
How the judges quantify the performance into numbers and how those numbers compare to other bands' numbers is VERY secondary to "How did you feel at the end of your show? Did you do everything you could to help the people standing next to you achieve their potential?"
Of course we'd love to win (who wouldn't?) But we came to do our best and put on a great show. And our last run was our best run, which is Mission Accomplished. The reactions of the fans are what we'll remember in 50 years, not the scores or rankings.
Did you enjoy it? Did it inspire you, make you feel something? That's a win.
My band was supposed to stay and watch Hebron preform at Region since they're in our region but we couldn't this year due to homecoming that same evening, we got to watch Odesssey FM in person and it was amazing for it being earlier on in the season. Im always surprised at how fast these big 6A schools clean their intricate shows! congrats on a great season!
^^^ well said!
Music is and will always be tge primary consideration
As a member of a fellow band in LISD our director says the same thing and I respect you so much for saying it thank you so much 🙏
As a former marcher, it is easy get caught up in winning. But this group is a winner! The musicianship in this KIDS is amazing!!!
3 Grand Nats Finals Appearances. 3 Third Place Scores. 3 Music Captions Won.
*Hebron Band = **_Consistency_*
People are starting to nickname us "Hebronze" lol. #welp
@@hebronbandchaperoney'all deserve at least 1 1st or second place, y'all's ballad parts have been so good every year
Glad you enjoy them! Of course we'd love to win first place every time (who wouldn't?) but our directors emphasize that winning is secondary to connecting with the audience; making them feel something. The scores are just a way to earn another chance to perform, to connect with another audience. If you felt something and if you remember that feeling then that's a win... regardless of how the judges quantified the technicalities of our performance and ranked them against the technicalities of others' performances.
In 50 years none of these students will remember who ranked in which places and who got which captions, but they'll all remember that feeling as they finished a performance and heard the roar of the crowd in appreciation. They'll remember how hard they worked with their fellow bandmates to achieve something magical together. They'll remember how much they miss it when it was over.
So I'm glad you remember those ballads. That means they connected with you. And that's a win for any live performer.
@@hebronbandchaperonewell 2019 among the stars certainly made me, an audience member, feel something. I don’t really care that Vandegrift won, that was a great show, but Among the Stars is the show I will always remember and cherish from that season. Great theme, amazing music, so much emotion.
the gliss at the end is to die for. hebron won in my heart.
General effect is exactly the emotion on these kids faces in that trombone glissando.
I think everyone in the band did it, they're officially the best
It was an incredible unison gliss from the entire band! (I can't imagine how hard that kind of gliss might've been on a woodwind, lol.)
@@ecolearningyt If you look at the individual transcriptions people have made of members' headcams, the gliss is in every instrument except mellos.
@@ecolearningyt I'm sorry for not being specific enough, but it is by far most of it.
Where is the gliss?
Best sounding marching band in America
*avon
@@thereallore1268Avon visually Hebron musically
@@thereallore1268hebron won best music
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Remember...it's music first. Will always be first.
I will say penstriped is still my favorite show but man this show was incredible in so many ways. The different key signatures used in this show made it so mysterious and pretty sounding. And that euphonium solo gave me chills. Great work this year Hebron! 💯
I’m partial to Among the Stars, penstriped might be the best ever, this was a beast on its own right as well.
The best thing about this is that kid's reaction to that trombone lick at the end. That was awesome!
As a random kid from a small town in Indiana, I have mad respect for these guys. Their visuals were great, and their music was even better. We should all aspire to be like them. I know that they didn’t win, but they had a great damn show. Keep up the good work and shoot for the stars in the years to come.
The show is insane! They perform on a level that others strive for. Great show Hebron!
I got chills from 8:44 to 8:51! In my opinion, Hebron is the most remarkable high school marching band of the past decade.
The musical execution is outstanding. Best sounding band I have heard. It seemed Avon had a more complex show (very DCI like, IMO) but no doubt, this is one of the best bands in the nation.
So. Like... I was genuinely baffled at all of these shows tonight, and Hebron hit me the most with music. Some of the brass hits today have been the best I have ever heard in person, and it gives me a lot to look towards working on to get better. I'm good, but they are.... all of the bands today are a different league entirely. I'm glad I got to watch everyone
Love seeing/hearing the spectators react at moments especially from the other bands in the stands. They get it!
Gotta be my favorite woodwind-ballad feature ever
Me and my friend from another marching band were there watching and our jaws were to the floor the entire time
Holy shit. This is the most talented, if not, accomplished HS band I’ve ever seen or heard. Wow, money does buy nice things.
We’re actually broke….this is all thanks to our parents and band fees 😭
@@carrington1971 broke = brags about parents and band fees?
everything about high school music contests is about money like the tmea all state band contest and its so weird how most people don't think thats the case
Still cannot believe they did not place in semis. They got robbed. Thought they were going to win. Incredible band!!!
I believe they were ranked #1 overall at the end of semis. I’ll have to go back to take a look.
@@johnnychikko3800 No. They did not rank in semis. I think they won 1 caption, but did not make top 3. Truly shocking!!!!
@@DisabusingTheLeft You may be correct but I don’t look to BOA adjudication sheets as absolute. They are just another judging philosophy. GE visual and GE designer production account for 45 percent of overall BOA score. It’s irrelevant, antiquated and needs reform.
I just watch Nats to see the difference and beauty of the country overall. #1 at Nats has hardly been the best program in the country for a long time now. I still love the pageantry of Lucas!
@@johnnychikko3800 I hear ya. My pet peav with Grant Nats and competitive marching in general is the subjective judging. But I accept it for what it is. It is extremely difficult to judge one show from the next, and the methodology for assigning scores is kinda crazy. It requires the judges to have some familiarity with the bands ahead of time in order to even have a chance of getting it right. I have seen MANY bands over the years where I thought, "Oh they should make semis for sure" only to never see them advance.
I marched MANY years ago, and I don't have kids marching anymore, but I still take days off for Grand Nats to watch the livestream for 3 days. I see the good, the bad and the AWESOME!!! I have trained myself to look for what I believe the judges are looking to reward, and have gotten to where I can predict accurately about 85-90% of the time. But I still don't like the methodology.
Hebron has an AMAZING program from what I have seen over the years. They are in a different galaxy, and yet, they seem to not get their just recognition. But it is what it is. I still get to just enjoy watching without having to console kids afterwards or tell them scoring doesn't matter at a competitive event. 😄
Knowing the boa judging system I get the placement so much more. But I think it draws attention to the fact that the caption weighting in BOA is way off, 20 music 20 visual 60 GE. It just doesn’t allow for extreme music or drill to be rewarded on its own
Was at finals it was obvious to me that Avon deserved that eagle. Avon is just simply closer to matching Hebron in music than Hebron is to matching them in visual. In fact, Hebron scored a whole point lower than both Avon and Carmel in ge music.
@@thereallore1268 I’d disagree with the GE music score more than anything, but yeah visually Avon and Carmel have them for sure
@@thereallore1268 lol, maybe you should post a billboard along i-35. It might be easier than copying and pasting the same thing in multiple spots of this comment section😂
These indiana bands are not in the same stratosphere as texas bands. Avon could not remotely play this music.
The reason that texas bands are so good is the way that they teach music and have studio classes for every instrument. Texas bands are at an inherent advantage that simply being a large school (like avon or carmel) cannot overcome.
That being said all of these indiana bands do not have any advantages in drill/music that texas bands could not overcome.
I have zero bias as I went to school in tennessee. It's clear. If you look up concert band recordings from the high schools, the ones in indiana sound like top quality high school bands. The ones in texas sound like professionals. Even their middle school bands in texas are shocking@@thereallore1268
@@thereallore1268only part of avons show that made me feel anything was the hut on chicken legs part best part of pictures at an exhibition by A mile
Y'all should've won. I was there and I was totally expecting you to win. It was amazing. I was proud of myself that I got those DCI references lol. I play tenor saxophone and I come from random band in Ohio, my band didn't go to BOA this year so I watched for funsies. Those parts are crazy. Good job guys. I hope you're proud of yourself despite not getting first.
WOW what a group!!! Blown away by the musicianship ... hard work and crazy talent make for a great show.
33 bands in semifinals, Hebron’s third time being third . Avon’s first win in twenty 3 , from their original 3-peat.
Won by Harloff, drum major of Star 9(3), (3)0 years later.
3 and 3, you got it, 33 degree freemasonry.
These guys are always so amazing!
Cleanest High School band I have ever witnessed!
@@thereallore1268Carmel plays whole notes. Hebron plays more notes in the first measure of their show then Carmel plays in ten minutes. Boring
@@thereallore1268did you see them say "I have ever witnessed?" Lmao
@@balsnow^^
best marching band I've ever heard
Watch Hebron 2021 in my opinion that show is better no doubt this show is good but 21 is so good
@@Samuelflorszagreed, and 2019
The majority of America assumed Hebron would win overall. They are americas fav.
Why would we think that ...?
@@jwilk1281 there was a poll prior to this. I was referring to it. And to answer your question, I’ll let the the bands capability speak for itself.
I lived in Carrollton for a bit, so I decided to put my money on them. They did not disappoint. I'd hate to be a judge because I don't know how they did any less than the others. Props that are stationary was all I saw they could've done more with, but music and tech... straight A's.
i assumed most people thought that either carmel or avon were going to win
@@lobsterpokemon1376as a parent with a kid in marching band, all they ever hear about nationals is Beat Carmel!
Spectacular music performance!!!!!!!!
they played their hearts out ❤ still think they did better in past tho
yeah their 2021 show was absolutely insane
@@brianlopez2296yeah I liked 2022 a lot as well and it scored a little higher at boa than 21 but 21 is super iconic
Texas is still the best state for marching band. I will always stand by that!!! I love Hebron❤
@@thereallore1268what happened last time one of them traveled to Texas? Wasn’t it their only non top 3 finish of the last decade? 🤔
@@thereallore1268yes because the Indiana bands go every year. if Hebron had gone last year or penstriped year, it would have been game over, and Vandegrift this year literally got a higher score at boa SA than Avon got at GN finals. For the Indiana bands, it’s so much cheaper to go but the Texas bands are usually regarded as better even though they usually can’t attend nationals.
@@thereallore1268 Indiana Bands travel 30 mins to go to BOA GN; Texas bands travel for 13+ hours and still DOMINATE at finals in your state😂😂
@@Monke2120I can tell you exactly what happened. Avon traveled to several BOA regionals in 2017 including the Alamodome. They performed their Old Hundredth warmup as per usual but tossed in a Yellow Rose of Texas ending on it to honor and thank Texas for their hospitality. Then in finals they set one of the highest scores at the stadium. Alas, 3 other bands had better scores. Regardless, all the students and staff at Avon that year appreciated the kindness and welcoming of Texas especially FloMo for hosting. You would be surprised that other than size, Indiana and Texas raise their kids very similarly: with respect and kindness as if each was a neighbor.
@@randyconn1183with all due respect: texas is still on top
Hebron for life, no other band compares
@@thereallore1268 they are great as well
@@thereallore1268 i love hebrons sound but avon and carmel have succh a refined product its fun to watch. The drill for avon had so many cool moments to show off their feet timing, avons uniform with the white line going down the leg also made their technique look so good
@@radredg7656Avon and Carmel are relevant at Nats because they get 5 more weeks to refine and groom a visual package more than any Texas program! Plus BOA adjudicates 30% score to designer attributes! No other adjudication philosophy does this except for maybe ISSMA.
UIL does not allow drill or visual practice till August 1st since over 50 years. That has now changed. They can now learn drill July 31st. lol.
Texas as a whole will usually never be as clean visually at the Midwest due to Texas restrictions but they can do what no one in the Midwest can do! Performs music (brass demand and valve movements) like no other in the country! If Texas has 5 extra weeks on visual then it would not be fair. Look at most of the Texas elites music books and power and valve prowess this last decade. No way Avon or Carmel could perform the brass book from Hebron 2019, 2021, 2022 or 2023! And I’m only taking about Hebron these past 5 years. Nats is fun to watch while the true overall talent only rotates every few years (ie TS, BA and the Texas Elites).
Let’s not get it twisted
@@radredg7656it actually made their technique look poor to me. Then again, I’m used to Blue Devils leg shape with the balls to wear a white stripe.
All I can say is wow..... Not to take anything away from the champs, but how did this show not win it all?
We weren’t visually clean🙃😁
@jamescardona233 honestly good thing y'all usually aren't. It leaves room for competition. We saw during penstriped what happens when hebron is visually clean ☠️
That's some DCI-level stuff right there!
8:47 WHAT THE HELL!?!
How Hebron doesn't win Grand Nationals is beyond me??? What a GREAT SHOW!!! Congrats.
They did though
@@connorlee8240no? avon won
Was at finals it was obvious to me that Avon deserved that eagle. Avon is just simply closer to matching Hebron in music than Hebron is to matching them in visual. In fact, Hebron scored a whole point lower than both Avon and Carmel in ge music.
@@Mario-gd5qkthat's criminal honestly.
they weren’t really clean on there double tongue
Dude, 8:47 - 8:55!!! The reactions say it all!🔥
I’m from Indiana, and this was my first time ever attending Grand Nats, just so I could watch these amazing Texas Bands.
I remember my very first BOA show in 2015, we were slotted right before a AAA Class school, and how intimidating they were in size and sound. I felt that as an audience member when Hebron took the field.
Amazing performance, amazing show!
Also, Hebron students or parents that see this, what is the story/tradition behind your on field warmup song? I’ve never seen anything like it?
They play their almermata song before every performance.
they play their schools alma mater, its more used to be warmed up a bit more before the show (at least thats why we play castaway at wando)
Texas Alma Maters are standard warm ups. lol
Hebron and Tarpon Springs had easily my favorite shows of 2023
This is my alma mater! So cool to see.
The entire second movement literally had me sweating, i wish i could’ve seen this in person🫨
that area must have an amazing program, dedicated students, and is generously funded.
That was so beautiful 😢
Man this definitely could of won but having two weak captions compared to the other top bands at grand nats pretty much cursed them
Was at finals it was obvious to me that Avon deserved that eagle. Avon is just simply closer to matching Hebron in music than Hebron is to matching them in visual. In fact, Hebron scored a whole point lower than both Avon and Carmel in ge music.
So glad they at least got High Music. I thought this was a better show in visuals than Avon but the GE for their show though is their weak spot. Would've had them ahead of Carmel though at the least. Their show is called "Monomyth: A Hero's Journey" for anyone that wants their show title. EDIT: Wait, THIS SHOW WAS 1ST BY A HALF A POINT AT PRELIMS, WTF?! HOW'D THEY DROP TO 4TH AND THEN 3RD?!
Different judges
Avon was by far the best visually and best Drumline but I agree this should’ve beaten Carmel
I’ve never really understood what GE even is
@thenelsonbruhs722 yeah...in DCI the GE award doesn't automatically go to the gold medalist....Crown won it in 2015 but placed 2nd...same with Bluecoats in 2019
It’s rigged. It always is
@@thenelsonbruhs722Ge in band doesn’t make any sense. It’s made up.
This years Hebron state winning show would of also won at Nationals and you can’t convince me otherwise lol. -band dad from a competitor school
I’m in the Organ Mountain High school Royal knight Regiment in New Mexico. We are the best in our city and one of the best in the state but I am scared and excited to go against and finally see all these Texas Bands at the 2024 San Antonio BOA. Especially Hebron.
Ahhhhh I finally get to see Hebron in person 😃😄😆🤩
Can’t wait 😁
imma need a transcription of this out somewhere soon😅
Hebron is tops!! Hebron band parent - I may be biased but I've had other children of mine perform with other high school bands and NONE compare. Congratulations to an AH-maxing 2023 marching session! 2024 starts now!!! #aiatt
7:43 TROMBONE SCREAMER I HEAR IT
Crazy how you can hear it through allat😭😭
@@marchingband_videos1866 he jus built different
what songs do they use in the show?? I only recognize the last one “Go the distance”…
"Ein Heldenleben" - Richard Strauss
"Enter the Galaxies" - Paul Lovatt-Cooper
"Millennium Celebration" - Gavin Greenaway
"Holding Out for a Hero" - Bonnie Tyler (Jim Steinman/Dean Pitchford)
'Burning Bush' from "The Prince of Egypt" - Hans Zimmer
'Go the Distance' from "Hercules" - Alan Menken
[Original Music] - Michael Martin/David Glyde
@@takiganand also a knife in the dark by Howard Shore or I guess it could also be any variation of the isengard theme
@@takigan thank you bro!
okay to save future people the trouble, they start with specifically with the movement “Des Heiden Walstatt”
@@popna2694, this is correct: Isengard theme
glad to see I'm not the only one that's baffled on how Hebron is not the Champion. No doubt Avon and Carmel are amazing, but no where close to the level Hebron is on.
Hebron had wonderful music but their visuals hurt them. People need to also recognize that although hebrons music is phenomenal, Carmel had deceptively hard music, and Avons wasn't too far behind. There is so much more to music than what Hebron does and other bands happen to do it but it's not appreciated nearly as much as it should be. So while Hebron is ahead in music, people exaggerate just how much, and don't even realize the gap caused in visuals.
@@iainoam2565that’s almost perfectly summed up
@@thereallore1268 Well, due to cost, you don't get all of TX top bands every year to make it a true head-to-head competition of best on best. I am happy to congratulate Avon & Carmel for taking #1 and #2 at Grand Nats. Unlike others, I'll also say it was well deserved. But I'm gonna call BS on any notion that any of TX's top 8-10 bands couldn't go anywhere else and finish consistently in the top 3...and in many cases win. (Case in point, in 2019, Vandy finished top of Grand Nat prelims, semi-finals and Finals. And, I'll admit that Reagan might have even had a stronger show that year...so it MIGHT have been Vandy, Reagan and Hebron in top 5 spots had Reagan made the Indy trip. Also, this year Westwood, who didn't even make SA finals, went to St. Louis Regional and took 3rd ahead of Bentonville, a Grand Nat finalist.) And, the same set of judges go across the country and judge these BOA events. So, with a common judging pool, your claim of inflation in TX is just pure BS.
@@iainoam2565Carmel has hard music? No 8th, 16th and no Horn section valve demand? Trumpets never run.
Yes chamber music is another skill set but in Texas arraignments are scored by difficulty in terms on mature playing.
Marching a variation on Doxology 100 yer over year while Gaines writes a wonder visual package might keep you top three at BOA but usually doesn’t make you the best overall program in the country.
Apples and oranges 🍊
@@johnnychikko3800 I'm not saying they had lots of 8ths and 16ths I'm just saying people need to not completely ignore one set of skills and worship the other. The point of them being apples and oranges is what I was trying to make.
Amazing show!
Best high school marching band ever without a doubt literal goosebumps
Hebron is the best high school marching band in America, no doubt, judges got it wrong.
Nope ...
Hmmm, 2022 and 2023 state UIL tells a different story. Oh, but I guess those judges got it wrong too. lol. Maybe we can all find judges, referees and umpires that just agree with all of us. Oh, wait, they do🤔
You got to pay that BoA/Indy tax before you win the gold. Broken Arrow got ripped off several years.
@@thereallore1268POV: Vandegrift exists
@@joesekel7908 exactly. G National Chanp is hardly the best program in the country! I’m glad we agree
Hebron should have won the national contest. I'm not surprised that 1st and 2nd place went to Indiana bands. As a musician, I am amazed at the level of music In Hebron's performance. Back in the day, we marched military and didn't memorize our music, which was mostly because we marched a different show every week. Congratulations Hebron. You were robbed of the winning trophy. Good luck in 2024. Bring your game!
Congrats, Hebron. You had a very good year, including a well-deserved 3rd place finish at UIL for consistency. It would have been great to have had a couple of Leander ISD bands at Grand Nats. Perhaps that would have given TX an even better chance at dislodging the eagle from those IN schools. Better yet, wouldn’t it be great to alternate Grand Nats locations? Indy one year and AT&T Stadium or Alamodome the alternating year? Until something like that happens, seems like San Antonio Super Regional will cast a bit of a shadow on Grand Nats given the top-to-bottom strength in its list of TX finalists.
I’m sorry but the entitled Texas elitism is just annoying. I’m from Texas too but I hate it and it should stop. It’s just making us look bad.
texas scores are most inflated scores in country
@@humptydumpty109 Brass talent from Texas is unmatched.
@@humptydumpty109 no one makes you read this, so buzz off. Nothing in my post was TX elitist at all, just because you took it that way. But, if we were all being honest, we would at least acknowledge that having Grand Nats in Indy every year is obviously an advantage for schools within an hour of Indy. Avon and Carmel in particular are great programs, but there is a reason it is called home field advantage.
@@thereallore1268 Lol, nice try. The BOA judges at say SA Super Regional are in many times the same judges that cover Grand Nats or Regionals in other states. They come from a common pool. If you bothered to look at the judging sheets, you would confirm this. So, if those judges have a tendency to inflate in TX, then they have an equal tendency to inflate at Grand Nats or in other Regionals across the country. So your statement is not logical, or factual and therefore flawed.
I'm honestly wondering why more schools don't march Contra, it's so much harder to make a Sousa section look uniform
Yeah hebron might actually have a chance at high visual if they got contras
I agree sousas are harder to incorporate into the field, but I feel like switching to contras to prioritize the visual performance is a sacrifice for the overall music performance. Trombones and baritone saxes are also challenging to incorporate into drill and visuals, but I feel like the color and volume these three instruments add to the sound make them irreplaceable to a band that wants to sound distinct from a drum corps.
@brycehall8605 oh, as a contra player, you can get VOLUME out of one. It's more in embochure than air and you just need a larger section who can play like this. Sadly usually I carry my 9 person Contra section 💀
BOA shows are so cool, like genuinely. And then I’m reminded on how much MONEY some of these schools have like DAMN
A standing ovation at grand nats is crazy. But hey that's our hebron and team texas for you. I'm already thinking about their next appearance. Why can't they go every year 😒
It’s only a matter of time that these high schools will legit give top drum corps a run for their money.
lol. No way. Sorry. You should really study what those top corps do. For one , they are taking only the top couple of percent of the best HS programs. It’s like suggesting that a good HS football team could compete with a top 10 college team. NFW.
Hebron balls
The Hebron Marching band is so Amazing. I think that they are one of other the most famous high school marching bands in America. I mean just look at how many views this video has. 😆😁
I want whatever they fed the mellos at 6:56
Hebron chaperone here! We feed them 3 years of fantastic middle school programs that prepare them to handle the challenging high school music.
(Also, dry sandwiches and Chick-fil-A.)
🔥
Bro bro. Watch their 2019 show ☠️
best highschool music from a marching band🤷♂️
That was dope!
That trumpet feature though, like holy crap that is some top 12 DCI group type stuff
The fact that there were only nine trumpets is crazy
I really think they got robbed. Should have at least gotten 2nd in my opinion.
very debatable, this show was very old school and lots of brass overblown block drill
@@thereallore1268overblown block drill?
@@thereallore1268what’s old school about it?
The student reaction 🔥🔥🔥💪💪💪
How the heck is this not first place??????
Visuals, and other groups having strong music so that hebrons lead wasn't too far in music.
Lol centergrove and Hebron have the same music at 2:15
I have the Box5 Video on my channel :) and Avon, I can post woodlands and carmel if anyone wants it
Could someone explain who created each part of the show?
Fantastic!
Slay
Very good band ... Way too much block drill and old school park and blow.....
But I very much enjoyed them ... Great job kids
i agree 100%
@@thereallore1268I disagree 💯. I can list reasons but it will still not convince those of the Midwest flavors.
That’s is why this sport is subjective in nature
whats the name of the ballad
Clearly the winner of the night. They have to stop handing those Indiana schools undeserved championships in BOA and WGI. I’d say it’s like it’s like the Blue Devils in DCI but you can make an argument for them winning. Avon and Carmel can dump all over the field or floor and get handed a gold medal. Pretty ridiculous.
Hold up.....5 out of the past 10 Grand Nats champions went to bands outside of Indiana. IN fact, two were from TX.
@@jennifergrief8742 Yeah, but not one of those two from TX was named Hebron. So naturally the sore losers in the Hebron fan base are going to dump on anyone else that wins over them...which, this year, were quite a few...including Marcus from their own back yard (at UIL state). It's kinda funny to read their comments of denial and rationalization. Instead, maybe they could just be gracious and congratulate Avon and Carmel who finished above them and deserved it. I'm hoping that its not their current band members who post this crap as any band member should appreciate the hard work and sacrifice put in. And surely Hebron band directors would teach their students to be gracious in winning and NOT winning. So, I suspect its the fans with this huge sense of entitlement. Its beyond shameful, especially for an "adult" to act like that.
@@joesekel7908 Hebron band parent here... I can attest that our kids are taught that everything is earned and nothing is promised or should be expected. Our band director ensures that humility is a key value in our band. We were ecstatic to get 3rd place and win the bronze medal! Anything you hear that suggests otherwise is likely from outside the Hebron band community.
Congratulations Avon.....well deserved
HOLY CRAP
Isn't it WAY against the rules of BOA to have recorded this/posted it? At least that's what I was told
Sound almost as good as a drum and bugle corp.
4:00
6:32-7:27 feel straight out of DCI dude
Easily best band. We all know BOA rigged lol 😂
man the mellos 6:58
And Avon beat them? Hmmmm.
That I’m fine with but Carmel, no way Hebron is way better than carmel
I get that Carmel was clean next stuff but yeah the only thing that I really can remember is Carmel’s opener thing when they were faced back field and the ballad alsboWOODLANDS 5th!?
It’s rigged every year. We all know this
Hebron, way too much block drill and park & blow ...
@@jwilk1281exactly. but the points when they did March and play it was just absolutely spectacular. That’s also why they got through that state this year. I’m surprised the Woodlands didnt score higher.
What’s that gun name?
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