At the end of the Japanese version we hear both monsters roar in the American we hear only King Kong. In case of Japanese version there's probably no double meaning connected with the choice but I'm sure American version tried to imply that Kong won even though we don't see the ending of the fight (or even if there was some action underwater) and it goes against Tanaka's opinion. In reality Honda was just satirizing the sensationalism and detachement from tragedy. Some guy's dumb mistake ended in tragedy even if Kong was supposed to be less aggressive we see him as danger. He destroys buildings and captures a woman. Reminds me of Godzilla in the next movie. He's just clumsy and doesn't belong.
I wonder when this was originally requested and if Chuck decided to release it at this time, shortly after the release of the polarizing 2019 King of the Monsters and with the promise of Godzilla and Kong fighting again on the big screen, this time with Godzilla taking top billing.
Cooper was not only thinking of a color remake for King Kong, but thought of doing it in the new Cinerama process. That would have been something as well as challenging for O'Brien (no stop-motion feature had been done in any widescreen presentations), but I reckon that O'Brien would have welcomed that challenge!
Count Pulaski? Is that Casmir Pulaski that Illinois has a holiday around? 25:04 That’s the poster for 1992’s Godzilla vs. Mothra not 1964’s Mothra vs. Godzilla.
@@Godzilla-tu2cd I do like the article where he made Kong fairly capable of standing up to Godzilla even though Godzilla has the better assets but Kong could pull off something even though he's outmatched.
@@Godzilla-tu2cd I hope so, but I do still have a bad feeling, especially after I stuck up for Wingard and the 2017 Death Note movie before it was released. If he'd turn an evil mastermind who emotionally manipulated a god into suicide for his own goals, into a horny idiot who screans like a goat, just imagine what he has planned for Godzilla and Kong, even with others trying to reign him in.
Light hearted in no way means disrespectful bad cinema. Much of the early showa films especially maintained a message to them mothra vs Godzilla and invasion of Astro monster are the examples. From critics on consumerism/capitalist society to allegories for gunship diplomacy, most Godzilla films maintained that political or social messaging to them but chose to do so with different tones. The ability to craft a film that can be enjoyed both on the surface for its entertainment as well as it’s deeper thematic qualities is something that many critics aren’t willing to praise. Personally I never understood why many fans say the only film to have any meaning was the original. I say they just aren’t looking.
i stopped at 13: 50 for a second...it's too bad they didn't put it "all together" for KK vs Godzilla like they did for Mothra vs. Godzilla even though to this day KK vs G 62' still holds the record for most tix sold for a G movie in Japan.
would it be entirely unreasonable to think, that obrien's version of the frankenstein monster, owes it's origin also to the story "the colossus of ylourgne" by clark ashton smith, which is basically about a kong-sized frankenstein monster?
Kong and godzilla fought to a draw toho studios said Kong swam back to back to his island then made his next and last movie king Kong escapes while godzilla swam away under water and made more movies
Wasn’t there a Godzilla vs. Frankenstein concept and that is why King Kong is powered up by electricity? And said concept resulted in Frankenstein Conquers the World/Frankenstein vs. Baragon.
Yeah that was the case there also was gonna have a rematch but USA didn't want toho to use kong they could only use him in two movies k. Vs g. Then kong escape s which was dumb instead of making a rematch toho drops the ball a lot kong was supposed to fight sea monster to but put Godzilla instead at least toho put kong on the map USA don't do much with kong but just old remakes now USA is finally putting kong on the map not just in remake like Peter Jackson's image if kong had movies like Godzilla fighting all kinds of monsters alittle late now but better late then never that's why Godzilla is king of monsters
I once read an essay about how art made for patrons is fundamentally different from mass audience fare, and critics exist only because of the former, which is why their opinions on the latter seem so clueless and out of step. This would explain why critics tend to give a pass on the MCU, maybe they shouldn't even be reviewing those movies in the first place.
ha ha "might have survived?" Godzilla falls into the ocean...his home...unhurt...didn't realize gorillas or apes were such great swimmers???? what did Kong do underwater..choke G-MAN out?? HA HA PLZ!!!! IT WAS A DRAW just like in "Invasion of the Astro Monster" when Rodan AND Godzilla fall in the ocean and King Ghidorah flies away ...did G and Rodan lose??? of course not!!!! plus the Japanese version has both roars signifying a draw..period. Even tho the English "version" deletes Godzilla's roar. How did Kong get so tall too!!??? oh well fun movie but I will ONLY watch the Japanese version.
Not sure about KKvG but in Mothra, there are all manner of various tints of blackface. Thing is, African actors weren't too thick on the ground in Japan, on account of them not kidnapping millions of poor sods from Africa centuries earlier. Honda literally uses something we perceive now as racist, purely to demonstrate Infant Island is a paradise of racial harmony (the couple at the centre of the big dance ritual are even mixed race). Just by the by......I'm not sure African actors would have been quite right either as I believe what (again, at least in Mothra, but probably here too) is being depicted is the skin tonal range of the various Polynesian peoples......perhaps Australians would have been a good fit for the darker ones. I do recall the "comedy negro" character in KKvG...... "look mummy, aren't dark skinned people funny", a nauseating trope wherever it rears its hooded head. It's surprising Ifukube went along with crappy Ainu depictions......I'm fairly sure it wasn't a black chap composing for Song Of The South.
Interesting editorial like always! I never know that there was some connection between creator of King Kong and my country, Poland - it's nice to know! Also I don't like changing history, editing movies for the sake of political correctness - it stinks of "1984". As for Godzilla being a comedic character, I look at this like I look at Batman being a comedic character - I don't like it, because those who portray Batman as goofball are missing the point of a character, but there is a way to tell funny Batman story without making him look silly. For example I always hated campy Adam's West Batman and Joel's Schumacher Bat-movies, because in those works Batman is shown as a clown, but recently I watched little, animated film called "Batman vs. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" and it convince me that you can have funny Batman movie WITHOUT making Batman look stupid - it mentioned fim Batman is a serious character and Turtles are goofballs! I think the same can be done with Godzilla - don't make him dance after he wins a fight, don't make him use his atomic breath to fly...Godzilla don't have to be a bad guy but he should ALWAYS be formidable and threatening, not a silly goofball !
If kong wins it will be bullshit legendary godzilla has tanked the meteor that wiped out the dinos at ground zero and tanked multiple nukes with no damage and can with stand ghidorahs storm which was stated to be the strongest storm ever seen ultra causally walks threw it and is able to throw hands by the fucker thats making it he's about country+ in pure tankyness and pure DC and you could high ball him to continental
The title card says "King KING versus Godzilla".
It goes by so quick I thought I was hallucinating.
6:01. Not sure if someone else has spotted this, but that's Akira Toriyama, not Osamu Tezuka.
was going to comment that.
mhm daddy
He also used a poster from Godzilla vs Mothra rather than Mothra vs Godzilla. Two different films separated by decades.
Godzilla isn't a villain, but rather being a destructive force of nature, without any malicious intent.
Not legendary tho
Well other than GMK Godzilla who is just an evil bastard
@@vaporouselm9932 Godzilla is anti-hero in the MonsterVerse.
When he mentions the "Salaryman genre" makes me think that it's basically a slapstick version of The Office.
That final monologue makes me want to see Chuck do Shin Godzilla.
Wow. Merian Cooper was awesome
you are gonna get this so i might as well be the first to say it.
that picture is not of tezuka. it's a pic of akira toriyama, creator of dragonball.
I thought he looked familiar
Glad I'm not the only one who caught that
Using a giant gorilla for advertising? I don't think it'll catch on...
This was amazing! Thank you so much for this. I love how thorough it was. I need to go back and watch both the JP and US versions again now.
Aaaaand there should be a new MonsterVerse version of this classic next year if it all works out.
At the end of the Japanese version we hear both monsters roar in the American we hear only King Kong. In case of Japanese version there's probably no double meaning connected with the choice but I'm sure American version tried to imply that Kong won even though we don't see the ending of the fight (or even if there was some action underwater) and it goes against Tanaka's opinion. In reality Honda was just satirizing the sensationalism and detachement from tragedy. Some guy's dumb mistake ended in tragedy even if Kong was supposed to be less aggressive we see him as danger. He destroys buildings and captures a woman. Reminds me of Godzilla in the next movie. He's just clumsy and doesn't belong.
I wonder when this was originally requested and if Chuck decided to release it at this time, shortly after the release of the polarizing 2019 King of the Monsters and with the promise of Godzilla and Kong fighting again on the big screen, this time with Godzilla taking top billing.
8:00 Wait, how would working on Agon (filmed in 1964, first aired in 1968) get Sekizawa a job on 1958's Varan?
Why did you show Arkita Toriyama 6:02
Cooper was not only thinking of a color remake for King Kong, but thought of doing it in the new Cinerama process. That would have been something as well as challenging for O'Brien (no stop-motion feature had been done in any widescreen presentations), but I reckon that O'Brien would have welcomed that challenge!
after the 1st 2 minutes I'm already like "I can't believe I could hate hollywood anymore than I already did"
A reminder that Hollywood and Oscar BS was not a recent thing. It was there since the beginning.
The grandson of the original Frankenstein? How abby normal
I see what you did there :)
Frau Blucher *horse cries
@@schmoeho11 "thought so...:
>When you put your actors in blackface in order to AVOID racial insensitivity
6:02 that picture wasn't the artist you mentioned, the picture was akira toriyama
Once heard that Ray Harryhausen was apprenticing under O’brian during the making of King Kong
I think he worked on Son of Kong I believe, but it was Kong that inspired him. I know he worked on Might Joe Young
Godzilla: “King Kong ain’t got nothin on me!!!”
My nigga
Niggaslmao
Kong: *Throws shit at him*
Count Pulaski? Is that Casmir Pulaski that Illinois has a holiday around?
25:04 That’s the poster for 1992’s Godzilla vs. Mothra not 1964’s Mothra vs. Godzilla.
That is the better movie though.
And then she killed the kids well that escalated rapidly...
"here's King Kong versus Godzilla"
Video ends.
Nice.
I use to think the same thing until I discovered the review portions are on his website.
Yup. It is just intro..
Darn. I thought it was a commentary on unfinished sagas or something.
I can't wait to godzilla vs kong on the big screen next year. I'm hype
I just hope Wingard doesn't screw it up. I have little faith in him after Death Note 2017.
@@toqkaizogou1636 eh with Michael Dougherty somewhat involved I got some faith with this movie
@@Godzilla-tu2cd I do like the article where he made Kong fairly capable of standing up to Godzilla even though Godzilla has the better assets but Kong could pull off something even though he's outmatched.
@@Godzilla-tu2cd I hope so, but I do still have a bad feeling, especially after I stuck up for Wingard and the 2017 Death Note movie before it was released. If he'd turn an evil mastermind who emotionally manipulated a god into suicide for his own goals, into a horny idiot who screans like a goat, just imagine what he has planned for Godzilla and Kong, even with others trying to reign him in.
@@lordkaijux5262 yup
Light hearted in no way means disrespectful bad cinema. Much of the early showa films especially maintained a message to them mothra vs Godzilla and invasion of Astro monster are the examples. From critics on consumerism/capitalist society to allegories for gunship diplomacy, most Godzilla films maintained that political or social messaging to them but chose to do so with different tones. The ability to craft a film that can be enjoyed both on the surface for its entertainment as well as it’s deeper thematic qualities is something that many critics aren’t willing to praise. Personally I never understood why many fans say the only film to have any meaning was the original. I say they just aren’t looking.
Thus.. King Kong vs Godzilla was made
This is very well researched. Thank you.
Wow can’t wait to see this in theaters :p.
i stopped at 13: 50 for a second...it's too bad they didn't put it "all together" for KK vs Godzilla like they did for Mothra vs. Godzilla even though to this day KK vs G 62' still holds the record for most tix sold for a G movie in Japan.
Great video, SF!
would it be entirely unreasonable to think, that obrien's version of the frankenstein monster, owes it's origin also to the story "the colossus of ylourgne" by clark ashton smith, which is basically about a kong-sized frankenstein monster?
Those O and I keys are just so darn close together...
That they are...
At least it's not KING KPNG or KING K0NG.
I really dislike the Americanized version. Too bad it's the only version available in the US for official release.
It's ok to have fun if you came back to your roots from time to time.
"VERrin" again...
LOL, "Varn" now...
Kong and godzilla fought to a draw toho studios said Kong swam back to back to his island then made his next and last movie king Kong escapes while godzilla swam away under water and made more movies
Wasn’t there a Godzilla vs. Frankenstein concept and that is why King Kong is powered up by electricity?
And said concept resulted in Frankenstein Conquers the World/Frankenstein vs. Baragon.
yes
Yeah that was the case there also was gonna have a rematch but USA didn't want toho to use kong they could only use him in two movies k. Vs g. Then kong escape s which was dumb instead of making a rematch toho drops the ball a lot kong was supposed to fight sea monster to but put Godzilla instead at least toho put kong on the map USA don't do much with kong but just old remakes now USA is finally putting kong on the map not just in remake like Peter Jackson's image if kong had movies like Godzilla fighting all kinds of monsters alittle late now but better late then never that's why Godzilla is king of monsters
Lots of stuff I knew, but I didn't know about the racism in Half Human and Varan.
Yeah, the American version of this film is pretty terrible, but I love the Japanese version.
For me, there's room for both silly fun adventure and grim serious commentary in the franchise.
I once read an essay about how art made for patrons is fundamentally different from mass audience fare, and critics exist only because of the former, which is why their opinions on the latter seem so clueless and out of step. This would explain why critics tend to give a pass on the MCU, maybe they shouldn't even be reviewing those movies in the first place.
0:52 did you mean apex instead of zenith?
ha ha "might have survived?" Godzilla falls into the ocean...his home...unhurt...didn't realize gorillas or apes were such great swimmers???? what did Kong do underwater..choke G-MAN out?? HA HA PLZ!!!! IT WAS A DRAW just like in "Invasion of the Astro Monster" when Rodan AND Godzilla fall in the ocean and King Ghidorah flies away ...did G and Rodan lose??? of course not!!!! plus the Japanese version has both roars signifying a draw..period. Even tho the English "version" deletes Godzilla's roar. How did Kong get so tall too!!??? oh well fun movie but I will ONLY watch the Japanese version.
As of this post, the opening panel says "King King vs Godzilla".... intentional, or just a mistake (I've heard TH-cam algorithms are weird nowadays)?
It is intro to that review..
So this guy is supposed to be an expert on science fiction films, but he doesn't know of his own knowledge what Famous Monsters of FIlmland is?
Not sure about KKvG but in Mothra, there are all manner of various tints of blackface. Thing is, African actors weren't too thick on the ground in Japan, on account of them not kidnapping millions of poor sods from Africa centuries earlier. Honda literally uses something we perceive now as racist, purely to demonstrate Infant Island is a paradise of racial harmony (the couple at the centre of the big dance ritual are even mixed race). Just by the by......I'm not sure African actors would have been quite right either as I believe what (again, at least in Mothra, but probably here too) is being depicted is the skin tonal range of the various Polynesian peoples......perhaps Australians would have been a good fit for the darker ones.
I do recall the "comedy negro" character in KKvG...... "look mummy, aren't dark skinned people funny", a nauseating trope wherever it rears its hooded head.
It's surprising Ifukube went along with crappy Ainu depictions......I'm fairly sure it wasn't a black chap composing for Song Of The South.
Interesting editorial like always! I never know that there was some connection between creator of King Kong and my country, Poland - it's nice to know! Also I don't like changing history, editing movies for the sake of political correctness - it stinks of "1984". As for Godzilla being a comedic character, I look at this like I look at Batman being a comedic character - I don't like it, because those who portray Batman as goofball are missing the point of a character, but there is a way to tell funny Batman story without making him look silly. For example I always hated campy Adam's West Batman and Joel's Schumacher Bat-movies, because in those works Batman is shown as a clown, but recently I watched little, animated film called "Batman vs. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" and it convince me that you can have funny Batman movie WITHOUT making Batman look stupid - it mentioned fim Batman is a serious character and Turtles are goofballs! I think the same can be done with Godzilla - don't make him dance after he wins a fight, don't make him use his atomic breath to fly...Godzilla don't have to be a bad guy but he should ALWAYS be formidable and threatening, not a silly goofball !
18:47 "source of shame for modern Japan" that's not true
If kong wins it will be bullshit legendary godzilla has tanked the meteor that wiped out the dinos at ground zero and tanked multiple nukes with no damage and can with stand ghidorahs storm which was stated to be the strongest storm ever seen ultra causally walks threw it and is able to throw hands by the fucker thats making it
he's about country+ in pure tankyness and pure DC and you could high ball him to continental
What does DC mean
@@heartbust4624 destructive capability
@@imreplyingtothiscomment2378 Gotcha