Oh! Meant to say. Sorry about the lower than normal audio quality. I came into the studio early this morning to try and get this video out nice and early. Unfortunately I couldn't get any of the tech to work as I wanted, and I ended up recording the whole video 4 times (wasting about 90 minutes). Anyway, this was the best version I had, and I didn't really have time to run the whole thing again. Fortunately, competent people arrived at about 9am and managed to fix it all for me, so going forward there shouldn't be an issue with any other video - Jack
And the lesson is: Slower and steady, gets the work early and ready 😉 Thank you for all the work you guys do. I was waiting for your video to get all the for and against arguments this topic needed 👍👍
Noticed right away, didn't really affect my overall enjoyment and intaking of the content. Thanks for the communication, cool to hear the behind-the-scene reason hehe ^^
Point the mic at your mouth rather than talking across the top of it, the SM7B doesn't work properly the way you're using it. It has a fairly narrow cone zone of ideal pick up, that's why it sounds randomly roomy as you move by a few centimetres, you're leaning in and out of that zone.
@@chris7263 well used to this in Ireland any time there is a scandal over here with a state or semi state body they just rename it to pretend that there has been some reforms made. Makes me think the Irish government was heavily involved in "negotiations" 😂
That's why the EU is the adult in the room. They don't care what it's called or that it's originally their idea, they just want it over with so they can deal with the neighbour's bully child.
@@ietomos7634 To be fair to many people could post this and being serious about it. I had some completly odd responses to comment i made like nicely sarcastic.
The British PM calmly commented on the agreement by saying: "Northern Ireland is now in the fantastic and unique situation in the world where it can enjoy the benefits of the single market and the British one". No one has reminded him that what he says is a lucky situation is also the situation in which the whole of the United Kingdom was before Brexit.
Not really true, Northern Ireland has a unique access to both the EU single market and the British market whereas before the whole UK had EU single market access and ALL the EU had access the UK market including Northern Ireland. Now that it's only N.I that has full access to both markets it gives Businesses based in N.I an advantage over other UK and EU based companies.
The year is 2123, and UK has just proposed a new brexit deal. The major world powers: USA, China, India, Kurdistan, and Azerbaijan are all in support of this bill. Everything looks gaudy.
@@imakid42069 There is a reason the european courts are still in play..... Also if the UK governement just dicides this is BS we gonna implement it they kind of look silly.
Let's be honest, the Northern Ireland Protocol has nothing to do with why the DUP aren't going along with power sharing, it's because they don't want to play second fiddle to Sinn Fein
its just a matter of time till the Union is dead. and the world will cheer not because they care about those regions but because they hate the UK. Its baffling how little they understand about the amount of bad will they have sown historically through their monarchy.
I think that's probably part of it, but it's likely become a genuine sticking point now. They genuinely want to be an equal and integral part of the UK.
@@budapestkeletistationvoices There's probably good money to be made buying and reselling goods through this lane if has a good head for navigating regulations like this.
The only thing Sunsk did was to stop th confrontational attitude toward th EU. The reason for the changes is that the EU cares more about maintaining the peace in Northen Ireland than the tories. I, like many in the EU was very annoyed with thos concessions but, after calming down a bit, I realised that peas is, indeed, more importan. I hope that those who wants to heat things up fail.
The protocol is just an excuse by the DUP, they will never say yes to Stormont because that'd mean they'd be deputy first ministers to Sinn Féin and they will never accept that
But they are being offered something "better", and they will have to defend to the voters why they are failing to improve the situation. "Vote for us to keep things broken" is not a good slogan. I would say the Stormant Brake is so transparently there to get the DUP to function, that Rishi and Ursula might as well have said "...we have to treat the DUP like toddlers in the process, and this is how we are doing it...".
If either the UK or the EU doesn't get smugglers arrested or enforce rules, it's in the protocol that this "loosened regulations" will be swiftly and firmly shut. So, sorry pal, bad luck.
So, basically, after threatening to immediately break it, the Tories now have agreed to respect the agreement they validated, got elected on and signed off with the EU. Now the EU has to pretend that Sunak has achieved something new, even if the text is mainly written by EU teams based on proposals made by the EU for several years, in order to give him 'a win.' Little Britain.
@@RRaymer Those were points proposed by the EU several times in the past. Now finally accepted by UK as a ‘solution.’ This is about packaging and selling to the rest of the UK government MPs.
@@lours6993 Watch the video again. None of these were proposed by the EU before. Liz truss was the first to bring the idea of green/red lane. The EU admitted that they gave concessions in order to protect the Good Friday agreement. If that agreement was broken if you watched Ursula Vons speech - and a hard border was drawn, the IRA threatened attacks against Brussels/Berlin. She knew it was in the the EU’s interest a deal was reached so violence doesn’t reach the EU doors itself
I am from the EU, and honestly the idea that a handful of unionists in NI can hold in any shape of form the lawmaking of the whole EU(nearly 400mil. people) to ransom, is quite frankly obscene..
@@DaDunge Yeah, I see a lot of comments on this video saying the EU proposed most of these things ages ago, but what I don't get and I was already wondering at the end of the video is what the EU gets out of it. It seems like they lose out on having clear jurisdiction in cases of conflict, since Stormont is explicitly _not_ under the ECJ, and I haven't heard any explicit benefits other than slight improvements in international relations and maybe slightly improved trade with the UK, albeit through the black market. If anyone could explain, I'd be grateful.
Not a chance bud. As much as we complain about our politicians they're on the ball constantly when it comes to dealing with backwards looking cunts like the DUP and tories. We'll be fine... I want my brothers and sisters in the north to be safe and secure. We would welcome them with open arms.
I just love the way Sunak/Johnson tell the people of NI how lucky they are to be in the single market and customs union and can thus enjoy hassle free trading with the EU. Unlike the rest of the UK. Same as them wanting Ukraine to join the EU.
Wouldn't put it past Boris to enjoy seeing Ukraine join the EU to upset the Franco-German apple-cart. Population of 44 million gets Ukraine around 60 seats in the EU Parliament. Nightmare for the biggest net contributor to the EU, Germany. Between a rock and a hard place. The more countries join the weaker the Franco-Germans become. Especially if national vetoes are replaced by quantity majority voting. All that lovely German lolly being spent like there's no tomorrow and they can't do much about it. The Woke Brussels having a conservative Vizegrad group as a rival. Hungary and Poland will welcome Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova with open arms! Slava Ukraine!
I guess the devil is in the details. The questions for me are: - How does the EU prevent smuggling from UK to Ireland (send goods to NI through the green lane, then sell them to a 2nd party to be sent to Ireland). Where can checks be made on this (e.g. NI customs must actively prevent goods intended for Ireland before they get to the UK-IRL boarder, and data share with their Irish counterparts?). - If the Stormant Brake is applied, and if the EU do not see it as justifiable, it breaks the Framework? What would be the consequences? If there are no details for these in the framework for these I would consider the EU has given up a lot in this negotiation.
I am honestly very concerned about the thought of an Assembly from a region where the majority voted for Brexit have veto power on EU regulations. The democratic deficit is actually worsened for EU citizens
The first one is meant to be dealt with data sharing, obviously there will always be some degree of a black market, but if labelled correctly and tracked you could detect if large shipments of certain items are entering the green lane when they shouldn't be. In turn, if I recall correctly, items that are causing concern can be moved into the red lane for a time to put checks on them. This is already done for higher risk items. The Stormont Break seems to me to be a nuclear option for Stormont, but also one which they do not have full control over. Both the UK and Stormont would need to be in agreement, and for all the fancy additional words on top of that - when it is activated, what it is essentially doing is passing over to the EU and UK leadership to deal with the issue on a political level. Which is how all these things would need to be dealt with regardless, once you leave a specific legal jurisdiction then the conversation becomes a political one between the powers that be. If the UK and EU have turned a corner on their relationship, and this is done constructively, then I see no reason why there should be major issues going forward. I do not think an anti-EU stance is going to be a vote winner in the UK, and part of the issue with a lot of the Pro-Brexit side of things is that they view being "Pro-Brexit" as "Anti-EU" when really, there is nothing necessarily contradictory with being Pro-Brexit and also wanting to collaborate with the EU across a whole host of areas for mutual benefit. In fact, to me the argument for Brexit that involved being more flexible and setting our own regulations is undermined by automatically ruling out such collaboration - if we can pick and choose, and the UK and EU benefit, why not? It's good for relations too.
@@PunishedRalph That would mean that there would need to be checks on the 'green lane' as well - e.g. to make sure that products are labeled correctly (e.g. "only to be sold in N.I."). I highly doubt that the UK would want to invest time and money into this.
Ireland already checks goods coming from the north, its just not done at the border. They do random road stops and intelligence based raids. Ireland is one of the most pro EU countries on the planet, there is no way they are going to let some unionists or northern irish people run wild smuggling goods through Dublin.
@@willmako5009 The veto is not EU wide it is only Northern Ireland wide. For example. EU says tomorrow "All sheep must be stamped with mark x" - the new rule applies in NI, NI pulls the break - This break does nothing in the EU it stops for the moment NI sheep having to be marked. Then EU & UK(westminister) discuss how it will apply to NI, they can agree among themselves that NI will indeed mark sheep, or they can say that Ireland will check NI marked sheep. The UK and NI have no veto inside EU, no matter what they do the EU laws will roll out in the EU. Also NI voted to stay in the EU, they didnt vote for brexit. They were taken out against their wishes.
"The UK holds an equivocal veto that is not subject to the ECJ's oversight". Yes, but you are missing an important point: If the UK does veto, then the EU is allowed to "take appropriate remedial measures".
@Don Doodat Why wouldn't you want to live in a country that serves it's OWN people first and foremost? What have you got against the UK recovering all the lost industry and world leading endeavours? Let me ask you a question, if you left your wife & kids behind (if you even have any) and paddled across the channel then stowed away on lorries going through 10-12 different countries to get to say Syria, would you expect them to give you FREE housing, FREE healthcare, FREE clothing, FREE food and in most cases where I live in Scotland a FREE public transport pass to get about? Now do you wonder why so many so called "immigrants" head for our shores? Is it really that difficult to understand? And now that Brexit is real it's also no coincidence that immigration has drastically fallen because the gravy train is coming to an end.
@@SMSCOOBY71 Britain lost its industry not to the EU, but to Asia. The story of industrial decline is the exact same in all of Western Europe. Britain, with the exception of London, has in comparison with most of Western Europe not adequately replaced that hole with the service industry. The EU actually made British industry better. It could get expertise, machines and parts with ease. There was very little red tape in the supply chain. Cooperation gives you a great competitive advantage. Especially when your competition does not have that advantage.
Saw a video off BBC on the subject a day ago, started watching it and could not finish. Wanted to find out what the deal is but there was so much filler at the start that I couldn't stand it. Thanks for being here TLDR!
Wow, UK is having a lot of trouble creating trade deals with a trade a block THEY ARE LITERALLY SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES BY. You know, one would think they'd want to join the trade block and reduce friction further.
It's not a trade bloc. The UK thought it was joining one and didn't read the small print and the gruesome details about political and financial union. They admitted it. What trade bloc in the World demands a share of your fish! None, the WTO and CPTPP don't. 👉 If there wasn't a trade deal they would have traded on WTO terms anyway. It wasn't a big deal. 👉Only 4% of UK companies actually trade with the EU. The goose that lays the golden eggs is services not goods. For most Brexiteers it was never about trade which should improve eventually simply because the UK has taken back control and can legislate for itself not be only 1/28th. Sovereignty and the Constitution were always far more important. The UK was in the EU for convenience. The problem was, the EU was never interested in a relationship of convenience. The EU is primarily a political project, intent on gradually replacing its members’ law, governance and institutions, with its own. In short, the EU required a far deeper level of commitment than the UK was prepared to offer. The UK’s relationship with the EU had many perks. But are the perks really worth it in the long run, if you’re not prepared to offer the required level of commitment? And in the case of the UK and the EU, the answer was simply “no”. Much of the opposition to Brexit fails to understand this. People are upset about losing the perks and understandably so. But when it comes to the flip side of the perks - the commitment - they are often dismissive or blasé. One often finds Brexit opponents denying the true nature of the project: “It’s just a trade bloc”; “Its rules are basically just trade rules”; “It doesn’t constrain national sovereignty…” are things one often hears. I’m usually quite dismissive of claims like that. It shows the speaker is aware about very little about the union they claim to want to be a member of. You don’t make a case for something by denying the reality of that ‘something’ you’re trying to make a case for. For me, they prove the very point they claim to be arguing against. You want to be a member of a trade bloc that’s all peace, love, harmony and goodwill towards mankind, governed by simple, commonly agreed rules but with no overarching political ambition of its own? How very interesting. Go set one up then because a union such as the one you described, is not on offer. In the European context, it simply does not exist. You have just described, very eloquently indeed, why the UK should not be a member of the EU. Extract from B. Lane.
Imon, I would love to join a trade block. Unfortunately the EU is not one. It is a political project. This project uses the threat of free trade REMOVAL in order to control the direction of the project. In case you were in any doubt the aim is complete amalgamation of all our countries into a United States of Europe.
Starmer is going to support the framework for sure. If it passes and Labour votes no, they will look bad. And if it they vote no and the framework not pass, then Starmer will have to deal with the mess when and if he gets elected. Its best to just get it over with. Besides, this is not a pure win for Sunak. On a fundamental level, he is fixing a mess the Tories themselves created. Starmer seems to understand this too.
Agreed, labour have just got to rip the shit out of the Tories about it being a deal the EU offered first. Really hammer at home and ridicule them."You mean Northern Ireland have a shittier version of the veto power we used to have in the EU? Red and green lanes sound extremely similar to expressways…, Great job you've worked really hard on there Conservative party".
Is the full, exact, and original English text available yet? I can find the command paper and summaries, but could not find the legal wording when I searched for it yesterday.
The DUP will be unhappy about everything as they too know that demographics is pushing Northern Ireland down the long one-way slope to Unification which has been the EU/Republic of Ireland ambition all along.
The nationalists could be positive about this, English Nationalists. Hard to see why they should subsidise Scotland & Northern Ireland anyway. Have you spotted the ROI leader in Ukraine? Promising them tanks? After all the Ukraine want to join the EU? It's the first principle of any government to protect it's own people. Does the ROI own any tanks? If not why not? Does it have it's own air force? No, it has some training aircraft. The ROI can't afford a viable defence force. Like it can't afford a National Health Service. Who would support Ulster? Itself? The ROI? An ROI newspaper polled it's readers. It asked 3 questions. 1). Do you support a United Ireland! Over half did. 2). Would you be prepared to pay extra taxes?46% said yes 3). Would you subsidise Ukster? 13% said yes. There is no political independence without financial independance. If the ROI can't afford it's own National Health Service how on earth could it afford to subsidise Ulster's National Health Service?
Here we go again… No. There is no “long one way slope to unification”. Support for unification hasn’t budged since the good Friday agreement in 1998: polling in December found it at just 26%, unchanged since 1998. Roughly a third of northern Irish Catholics support continuing the union with Britain, to just over half who want united Ireland. The growing nonsectarian population also majority supports the union. The nationalist parties overall lost support last election. Irish unification is a very, very, very long way off, if it’s ever happening at all
British politics being dysfunctional is a reflection of a dysfunctional electorate. I'm in the UK for work from Australia and I'm in awe with the sheer number of people who are apathetic towards civics and some voting decisions are made on a whim or emotion (brexit voters, Tories voters). I've met heaps of people who just don't talk or think about politics and a lot of people appear to be willfully ignorant to economic situation they put themselves in.
I'm sure you've noticed that a lot of people here have been convinced they're stupid and have almost a fear of talking about economics or politics in any real depth beyond the superficial or jingoistic nationalism. What you're seeing is part of the class system that so rigidly controls this country. I'm willing to bet that most of the people you mention are working class or have relatively recent working class roots. There's an astounding stigma against talking about certain topics in 'too clever' a way, especially since the unions were broken.
There are two possibilities arising from this deal in the future 1: NI products become cheaper due to UK VAT laws and start affecting ROI’s market/business which will bring this deal under scrutiny. Moreover the possibility of mixing of green and red lane and smuggling is also quite high. 2: NI laws become more and more equivalent with EU laws making products of NI expensive for GB to import thus drifting NI more to EU.
1 this will work within NI but not when you cross the Irish border then you have to comply with EU regulation. 2 is most likely within the next 10-20 years. Basically this deals allows a parallel import/export road just for NI. Everything which shall go to the EU directly will go through the "green lane". Its the most simple agreement what could be made. I just hope for UK the DUP and Tories backturds won't be stupid again.
As an EU citizen I'm happy if we can finally find an agreement especially with the new IRA coming back but clearly if the ECJ is not in charge I hope the EU parliament will cancel that...
the EU has no right in tell us what to do! they only are doing this so other country in the EU doesn't leave that undemocratic country. where you don't get to decided who runs the EU
The new ira...... 1. The New IRA never went away they're a tiny break away group that doesn't have the support of Nationalist and 2. You do realise that Loyalist terrorist groups have continued to be active and never disbanded even though they were suppose too along with the PIRA 22 years ago! They literally threatened violence this week across the North. 3. These terrorist groups represented by the LCC Group have had regular meetings with the DUP and the West Minister government over the NI protocol, Lizz Truss had a secret meeting with them all while one of them tried to murder the Irish Foreign Minister Simon Coveney with a pipe bomb as he was attending a peace talk in Belfast....but ya only mention the New IRA What an ignorant comment.
@@Anthony-xd1lj In this case we forget about the good friday agreement and we can put back the borders and the new IRA will be very happy and the NI will go back into civil war... I agree with you the EU has no right in tell you what to do but in this case you have no right to have access to our market.
@@gingerandbroke1402 True i'm ignorant on this matter but if your info are true in this case you should tell TLDR because they made a video on the new IRA and my informations are base on that.
Good explainer, as usual, lads. A small quibble though: you speak of "the politicians in Northern Ireland" as being essential to the deal going through. In fact what you're referring to is the two parties who clearly oppose the protocol in principle (the DUP and the TUV) who represent a total of 28.9% of the first preference vote in Northern Ireland. Even the UUP (11.9 % 1st preference) is almost certainly going to be onside with the new agreement and everyone else (representing 60% of the vote) has virtually no problem whatsoever with even the old version of the protocol. The disappearance of all those parties from recent discussions on the protocol is less mysterious than it is grating, however: the DUP on its own has the power to stymie devolution and normal politics in Northern Ireland. The DUP and TUV emphatically do not represent "the people of Northern Ireland", nor even a plurality (much less a majority) of those people. One should always be careful to point that truth out. Thanks again for your efforts!
Can someone explain to me what benefits the EU gets out of this? Just terminate the NI protocol (as the UK already is in noncompliance with it), revoke NI access to the single market, watch NI and UK economy crash even further and get Irish reunification done... I really hope the European Parliament strikes this shit down.
Which is exactly why the Crown was pulled into this: it's specifically to make the DUP look bad if they reject it. After all, why would loyal Ulster subjects of the Crown reject something the King endorses?
As long as England wallows in its exceptionalism, brexit will NEVER be 'done'. The UK should never have been allowed into the EU. It is high time the EU is done with the UK.
Thatcher begged to enter the EU because UK was in a big economical crisis at the time. We were just stupid enough to accept the exceptionalism. Now we are done with it thanks to Brexit, I do wish England to rejoin but next time on EU terms. Before that Scotland should be independent and Ireland reunited.
The UK was never a right fit for the Community. We have had a parliament since January 1265. The voter is used to knowing who they vote for and what policies will be carried out. Contrast that to the EU? Did you vote for the EU President? Or the EU Council? Or the EU Commission? If not why not? Don't they trust the public? That is the way the EU was set up on purpose. To be run by elites for elites. Only the EU Council and the EU Commission can enact legislation. Not the EU Parliament. President DeGaulle was right, he refused UK entry twice. He knew we would be a square peg in a round hole. This became obvious later with Maastricht and Lisbon. In it's present guise the EU is probably doomed. You could also say Greece should never have been allowed to join the Eurozone. There is a criteria of maximum of 3% debt to GDP to.join the Eurozone. Italy were dishonest and claimed their debt was less. The then Greek government seeing what the Italians had done did the same. You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure out what comes next. Yanis Varoufakis was right but his Prime Minister, Tsipras, let him down. Most of the Greek debt wasn't Greek but German and French. Deutschebank and Bank Paribas could have ended but for the Eurozone printing money and giving money to them, telling the Bundestag it was for the "Greeks". The third loan for the "Greeks", actually Greeks didn't see a Euro. 20% of 18-25 Greeks have left sadly. So much for the EU! In the real world Greece should have reclaimed the Drachmae and been able to devalue. The Eurozone is like Hotel California. You can check out anytime but you can't leave! The Golden Rule is those with the gold make all the rules. The EU is a Franco-German hegemon. All others are in effect vassal states. Nothing gets passed without the Franco-Germans wanting it. Power is an illusion for the others. In the Eurozone technically Frankfurt is independent of Berlin. In practice? The bigger the EU becomes the worse democracy which the Greeks invented, will get. I know things weren't great in Greece '67-'74. Not so great now. Do the maths. If Ukraine join, a population of 44 million gets them something like 60 seats in the EU Parliament. This has already caused sleepless nights in Germany. They will lose some of their power. It's inevitable. As the single biggest net contributor via the EU budget and having less control of it is being between a rock and a hard place. Varoufakis predicts the first country to leave the Eurozone will be Germany. You can see his logic. It's only going to get worse for them and you. You will have less control than even you do now. The Eurozone is now, effectively, the Deutchesmarkzone and there's little you can do about it. You should have maybe had Grexit if you been better organised. The Germans apparently want to treaty change. If national vetoes go out in favour of qualified majority voting Germany and all countries will have even less power to stop the runaway train. Hope things turn out well for you. The UK was in the EU for convenience. The problem was, the EU was never interested in a relationship of convenience. The EU is primarily a political project, intent on gradually replacing its members’ law, governance and institutions, with its own. In short, the EU required a far deeper level of commitment than the UK was prepared to offer. The UK’s relationship with the EU had many perks. But are the perks really worth it in the long run, if you’re not prepared to offer the required level of commitment? And in the case of the UK and the EU, the answer was simply “no”. Much of the opposition to Brexit fails to understand this. People are upset about losing the perks and understandably so. But when it comes to the flip side of the perks - the commitment - they are often dismissive or blasé. One often finds Brexit opponents denying the true nature of the project: “It’s just a trade bloc”; “Its rules are basically just trade rules”; “It doesn’t constrain national sovereignty…” are things one often hears. I’m usually quite dismissive of claims like that. It shows the speaker is aware about very little about the union they claim to want to be a member of. You don’t make a case for something by denying the reality of that ‘something’ you’re trying to make a case for. For me, they prove the very point they claim to be arguing against. You want to be a member of a trade bloc that’s all peace, love, harmony and goodwill towards mankind, governed by simple, commonly agreed rules but with no overarching political ambition of its own? How very interesting. Go set one up then because a union such as the one you described, is not on offer. In the European context, it simply does not exist. You have just described, very eloquently indeed, why the UK should not be a member of the EU. Extract from B. Lane.
@@English_Dawn Here's MY extract: 80 years of unparalleled growth, prosperity, peace since the EU was founded. Not bad, after European civilization was almost wiped out TWICE in the first fifty years of the 20th century.
What exactly is the plan to prevent re-export of goods from NI to the RoI? Since there are no checks allowed at the border on the island of Ireland this could open a huge loophole.
The Irish do checks already, just not on the border. They also make them random and intelligence based. Ireland has already been doing these checks since before brexit for things like UK diesel and petrol being imported. The good friday agreement means relations must be "Normal" a border check is not normal, but random road checks on goods is normal. These checks in theory can happen anywhere on the island and do. But lets say they get them down to the south undetected, now how do they get them to the EU, they need an Irish person to put them on a ship that bypasses the UK and heads straight for the EU. So they put 1 cargo container of lets say TVs on the ship. Dublin will notice this cargo container. Dublin does random checks on containers, they already look for smuggling. They are a trusted port and very pro EU. The amount of ships that bypass the UK totally and go straight to the EU is actually quite small, its at a level that pretty much carries whats expected. If you got away with smuggling then its at levels that happen already. even something small like 100 new cargo containers to smuggle stuff would be noticed. Irish customs can carry out searches in Ireland without a warrant. So if they see "Paul from Dublin" put the goods on the ship, they can walk into pauls house and search it and search every property paul owns, and go through all pauls documents. Of couse it will happen, it will always happen, but really, only at levels that it already does and they are already actively combating it.
Just listening to the Windsor Framework has me questioning ways people could potentially break the rules. How does the Framework ensure that businesses mark Greenlane goods honestly? How will they prevent people from lying about the destination of Redlane goods just to get around the paperwork? And how will they ensure the Stormont Break isn't abused? If they only need 30 MLAs from 2 parties to veto rules they don't like, what's stopping them from having a member of one party cross the aisle to another so 29 members of 1 party and 1 "member of another party" trigger the Break? It's clear that something needs to be done to the NI Protocol, but they'd better take a close look at the details of the Framework to patch out any future headaches.
Also, I've heard mention of a "Trusted Partner" (or similar wording) system, which worries me that really it's just a facilitator for large companies that does nothing for anyone else.
"Grandfather? You know those stories you used to scare us with about a thing called brexit? I heard it's over now..." "It is my sweets, it's over... (for now...)"
How do we know that product shipped from England to Northern Ireland will only be used in Northern Ireland? It seems pretty easy to ship products from England to Northern Ireland, then change hands in Northern Ireland (so it is used in Northern Ireland), and then ship the product to the rest of the EU. If people says "yes, but we can control that products were coming from England at the first place", it means that we need custom control between Northern Ireland and the rest of the EU. So it would have been better to have a hard Brexit in this case. It seems like this protocol opens a back door for British products to enter to the common market, and the way around assuming British regulations are stricter than EU regulations.
Wait, what stops a company from setting up a green lane entity, then sell those goods to a separate bu sending those goods off to the eu without checks?
I think there is some sort of trusted trader scheme. Also I think there is meant to be different packaging. But you are probably right. This morning there are probably a few repackaging factories in the works to take advantage.
They still get to tax these companies in the EU, also there's tax on petrol to EU countries, tax on vehicles since they'd be EU vehicles and not UK ones, so the EU countries still get some tax income from it. So costs will still be higher but not as high and also more work as you now have to deal with logistics EU to N.Ireland to UK instead of EU to UK pre-brexit.
The UK was in the EU for convenience. The problem was, the EU was never interested in a relationship of convenience. The EU is primarily a political project, intent on gradually replacing its members’ law, governance and institutions, with its own. In short, the EU required a far deeper level of commitment than the UK was prepared to offer. The UK’s relationship with the EU had many perks. But are the perks really worth it in the long run, if you’re not prepared to offer the required level of commitment? And in the case of the UK and the EU, the answer was simply “no”. Much of the opposition to Brexit fails to understand this. People are upset about losing the perks and understandably so. But when it comes to the flip side of the perks - the commitment - they are often dismissive or blasé. One often finds Brexit opponents denying the true nature of the project: “It’s just a trade bloc”; “Its rules are basically just trade rules”; “It doesn’t constrain national sovereignty…” are things one often hears. I’m usually quite dismissive of claims like that. It shows the speaker is aware about very little about the union they claim to want to be a member of. You don’t make a case for something by denying the reality of that ‘something’ you’re trying to make a case for. For me, they prove the very point they claim to be arguing against. You want to be a member of a trade bloc that’s all peace, love, harmony and goodwill towards mankind, governed by simple, commonly agreed rules but with no overarching political ambition of its own? How very interesting. Go set one up then because a union such as the one you described, is not on offer. In the European context, it simply does not exist. You have just described, very eloquently indeed, why the UK should not be a member of the EU. Extract from B. Lane.
@@Mr.Armandolu "Dragged everybody out? If people think they can survive with the English tax-payer subsidy, perhaps they leave? For-the-record Scotland, Northern Ireland and London were 3 out of the lowest 4 "Remain" voting areas. It is facile thinking it was ever about trade. Only 4% of UK companies trade with the EU. For 2/3rds of "Leavers" it was much more important, the Sovereignty and the Constitution. When did the public ever vote for the EU President, the EU Council or the EU Commission? Have you? If not why not? Don't they trust the public? The last two are the only two bodies with legislative initiative and an enact laws. The EU Parliament, the only body subject to a public vote, can't. The British government fell for it. They thought they were joining a "trading-bloc". Politicians later realised they hadn't read the small print over it's political and financial aims, even though warning-signs were there from the beginning. Which "trading-bloc" in the World demand a share of your fish! None, the WTO and CPTPP don't. The UK was in the EU for convenience. The problem was, the EU was never interested in a relationship of convenience. The EU is primarily a political project, intent on gradually replacing its members’ law, governance and institutions, with its own. In short, the EU required a far deeper level of commitment than the UK was prepared to offer. The UK’s relationship with the EU had many perks. But are the perks really worth it in the long run, if you’re not prepared to offer the required level of commitment? And in the case of the UK and the EU, the answer was simply “no”. Much of the opposition to Brexit fails to understand this. People are upset about losing the perks and understandably so. But when it comes to the flip side of the perks - the commitment - they are often dismissive or blasé. One often finds Brexit opponents denying the true nature of the project: “It’s just a trade bloc”; “Its rules are basically just trade rules”; “It doesn’t constrain national sovereignty…” are things one often hears. I’m usually quite dismissive of claims like that. It shows the speaker is aware about very little about the union they claim to want to be a member of. You don’t make a case for something by denying the reality of that ‘something’ you’re trying to make a case for. For me, they prove the very point they claim to be arguing against. You want to be a member of a trade bloc that’s all peace, love, harmony and goodwill towards mankind, governed by simple, commonly agreed rules but with no overarching political ambition of its own? How very interesting. Go set one up then because a union such as the one you described, is not on offer. In the European context, it simply does not exist. You have just described, very eloquently indeed, why the UK should not be a member of the EU. Extract from B. Lane.
Could you do an explainer which highlights the differences between this deal and previous (seemingly identical) ideas suggested by May and, before her, the EU negotiators?
@@jeffcxx The EU suggested such a plan to the UK years ago. I am sure the details are different, but... the idea is likely very close to an EU proposal.
A couple of thoughs The Green lane - also Trusted Trader?? how much of the trade will go through that, will it just be large companies such as Supermarkets and Courier firms who will be expected to do the work of the checks before hand? GB Goods allowed in NI - has Sunak tacitly agreed to maintain UK standards in line with EU ones? The Stormont Brake - needs to be agreed by UK Govt - will that ever happen (esp if there is a Lab Govt )?
The Stormont Break feels like one of those buried landmines that's going to be fine for years until suddenly it gets activated over something and then the whole agreement falls apart
Von Der Leyen smiled a lot, but was in fact just trying not to laugh out loud. The fact that Sunak thinks accepting a deal offered by the EU years ago counts as a 'victory' is indeed amusing 🤭But I do hope for the UK that applying (rejoining is such a presumptuous word) for EU membership is one step closer now. Poverty isn't fun.
I support Ukraine but it is laughable for the UK to be parading Boris around talking about sovereignty of countries with this Scotland and Ireland bs going around. No to mention the entire history of the British around the world.
Is this going to help EU and UK business to trade more seemlessly? A lot of businesses stopped trading with the other market since Brexit cause of all the fees and VAT etc
Britain was always at a disadvantage on this front anyway, so it was never the level playing field it was made out to be. However, in terms of day to day trade, with mainland UK and the EU, this will/should have little to no impact.
Not entirely sure until the text gets published, but based on the scope of this the answer should be no. Unless the UK officially starts a massive smuggling operations via NI, which would automatically result in the activation of the break clauses. There are some existing workarounds within the NI protocol that result in better trade terms (like moving your business to NI or the ROI) and there is a chance a few more appear, but is not very likely that potential new ones would be any better.
No, it doesn’t make much of a difference. Since Brexit there have been a lot of different barriers to trade with the EU and by extension also NI (which remained in the EU customs Union). The only thing this deal does is create a way to avoid those barriers if sending goods to NI. There is no impact on trade with any part of the EU proper.
who does your research? green and red lanes were part of a deal offered by the EU 3 or 4 years ago and was a superior deal to this, that was voted down by the tories and rishi sunak. what has happened is rishi sunak is being praised for accepting an EU offer. this should have been picked up immediately.
@@GlitchNectar tell me you don't understand the old deal without telling me you don't understand the old deal. Nothing in this falls outside the scope of the NIP.
The thing I still don't get is how we want to make sure, that exports to NI via the green line will stay in Northern Ireland and not enter the EU via Ireland unchecked?
Yeah, that's my big question too. Also, what does the EU get out of this deal? TLDR mentioned it benefited both sides, but I fail to see how the EU side was doing anything other than saving British asses, rather than spending their time and energy on something a little more useful. Honestly, it seems like the old deal was arguably better for the EU.
I don't think they can. But they will have access to live customs data, so I guess will be aware of any unusual shipments. I guess they have calculated that keeping smuggling at a domestic rather than industrial scale, is a price worth paying to see the issue resolved.
This is great for NI, but as someone from mainland UK, I want what NI have. This does not even begin to solve Brexit, Brexit will not be solved until the UK re joins the UE.
The EU in it's present guide is probably doomed. Did you ever vote for the EU President? Or the the only two bodies with power to enact legislation, the EU Council and the EU Commission? If not why not? Don't they trust the public? It was set up on purpose that way. That's why the UK left the EU NOT trade. Only 4% of UK companies trade with the EU. Brexit was much more important than that. With more countries joining the EU the less power the EU 27 will have as a proportion. The EU is effectively a Franco-German hegemon and the Eurozone effectively the Deutchesmarkzone. Anything else and vassal states thinking they have power is an illusion. Even the Franco-Germans will not have it their own way as more countries join and get seats in the EU Parliament as weak as it is. Do the maths. Less national vetoes and more qualified majority voting makes it worse. It's a runaway train. The UK was in the EU for convenience. The problem was, the EU was never interested in a relationship of convenience. The EU is primarily a political project, intent on gradually replacing its members’ law, governance and institutions, with its own. In short, the EU required a far deeper level of commitment than the UK was prepared to offer. The UK’s relationship with the EU had many perks. But are the perks really worth it in the long run, if you’re not prepared to offer the required level of commitment? And in the case of the UK and the EU, the answer was simply “no”. Much of the opposition to Brexit fails to understand this. People are upset about losing the perks and understandably so. But when it comes to the flip side of the perks - the commitment - they are often dismissive or blasé. One often finds Brexit opponents denying the true nature of the project: “It’s just a trade bloc”; “Its rules are basically just trade rules”; “It doesn’t constrain national sovereignty…” are things one often hears. I’m usually quite dismissive of claims like that. It shows the speaker is aware about very little about the union they claim to want to be a member of. You don’t make a case for something by denying the reality of that ‘something’ you’re trying to make a case for. For me, they prove the very point they claim to be arguing against. You want to be a member of a trade bloc that’s all peace, love, harmony and goodwill towards mankind, governed by simple, commonly agreed rules but with no overarching political ambition of its own? How very interesting. Go set one up then because a union such as the one you described, is not on offer. In the European context, it simply does not exist. You have just described, very eloquently indeed, why the UK should not be a member of the EU. Extract by B. Lane.
Sounds like the EU folded pretty badly on their requirements tbh. How can we trade with Northern Ireland if they don't fulfill 97% of the requirements? Also, this whole green and red lane thing sounds super easy to circumvent.
The people of the Republic will flag any transgression they observe. Anyway I've never seen British sausages and rashers for sale in Ireland. Lidl tried selling German meat here. They soon realised thay were on a losing streak. Now all fresh meat from Lidl is certified Irish.
@@williampatrickfagan7590 Quite so. It was largely theoretical. Why should anyone send goods 'intended" for the EU via Northern Ireland when they can send them to the Republican of Ireland directly? You mean you've never had Lincolnshire Sausages! Up there with white pudding
@@English_Dawn No. We have Clonakilty pudding and sausages. Available in Tesco G B as far as I'm aware. Ireland produces enough food to feed 10 times its population or 50 million souls.
Brexiters will NEVER be happy. Even with a perfect Brexit. It's their way of life, complaining and accusing anything else for what's wrong or imagining that "wrong". Therefore, Brexit will never be done for them.
Lots of EU rules to be consigned to the bin yet. The UK was in the EU for convenience. The problem was, the EU was never interested in a relationship of convenience. The EU is primarily a political project, intent on gradually replacing its members’ law, governance and institutions, with its own. In short, the EU required a far deeper level of commitment than the UK was prepared to offer. The UK’s relationship with the EU had many perks. But are the perks really worth it in the long run, if you’re not prepared to offer the required level of commitment? And in the case of the UK and the EU, the answer was simply “no”. Much of the opposition to Brexit fails to understand this. People are upset about losing the perks and understandably so. But when it comes to the flip side of the perks - the commitment - they are often dismissive or blasé. One often finds Brexit opponents denying the true nature of the project: “It’s just a trade bloc”; “Its rules are basically just trade rules”; “It doesn’t constrain national sovereignty…” are things one often hears. I’m usually quite dismissive of claims like that. It shows the speaker is aware about very little about the union they claim to want to be a member of. You don’t make a case for something by denying the reality of that ‘something’ you’re trying to make a case for. For me, they prove the very point they claim to be arguing against. You want to be a member of a trade bloc that’s all peace, love, harmony and goodwill towards mankind, governed by simple, commonly agreed rules but with no overarching political ambition of its own? How very interesting. Go set one up then because a union such as the one you described, is not on offer. In the European context, it simply does not exist. You have just described, very eloquently indeed, why the UK should not be a member of the EU. Extract from B. Lane.
@titus Oates . Sooo you’re surprised that in order to get something you need to pay… you’re surprised that when you sign a contract you abide to it? Ok….
no not while labour who keeps calling us racist for wantiing to close the borders. they would take us back into the EU if they get elected when it was them who opened the door to brexit under blair but they will never admit this. they will always blame the tories
@@dannyarcher6370 “they’re not doing anything with that control” there hasn’t been much they needed to do with it so far since they left. Also the EU’s goal is an “ever closer union” which the UK never wanted. By leaving they are avoiding that.
“Intensive discussions“ Reminds me Life of Brian, when the girl wants to go help Brian but needs others. When she asks them for help, they jump to action with “immediate discussion“.
Yes it's actually 3% and that 3% is subject to the Stormont Brake which they need 30 MLA's from more than 1 party. If it's on a UK supermarket shelf it can go to Northern Ireland gratis. If it's in a garden centre, likewise. VAT will be the same etc. Not 100% what the ERG wanted but next to nothing from it.
IF as stated NI has its sovereignty restored, WHY IS THERE A NEED FOR 300+EU REGULATIONS TO STILL APPLY TO A SOVEREIGN NATION ????? NO OTHER SOVERIEGN NATION WOULD ACCEPT A THIRD PARTY INTERFERRING IN ITS SOVERIEGN STATUS!!!
@@jamesbowskill362 wake up, it's the modern world. We are subject to I ternational law, wto rules who rules. And if we join cptpp politicians in Hanoi will be deciding what standard of goods uk should accept. Grow up.
@@jamesbowskill362 those only apply when the sovereign nation sends its products to another nation. Is the eu supposed to take your products whether they want to or not?
Brexit will never be done until we eventually see the stupidity of our ways and re-join our biggest trading market thereby allowing our industries to grow again. Richie Sunak as much as admitted this yesterday in Northern Ireland.
It's not how much money you make, but how much money you keep, how hard it works for you, and how many generations you keep it for.Grow and protect your in•vest•ment portfolio by carefully diversifying(expanding) and in•ves•ting it, and you will find yourself funding many generations to come.this trick has never failed.
DUP would not accept being seen as the political party to hand over The 6 Counties to Sinn Fein and will therefore not accept any agreement which would require them to return to a Stormont Assembly in its current format.
It’s maybe not something that the general U.K. and EU public will grasp but this is a massive concession on the EU’s part. I live right on the U.K. side of the border in Ireland and a massive part of our economy is shopping trade coming from the Republic. I would say it makes up a good 60-70% of the trade done in newry. A lot of the new green lane produce (including sausages) will end up in the Republic. What the EU have done is created a blind spot in the single market. Very pragmatic and it shows that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
Can't see the DUP apart from moaning, doing much about it. The adults have cume into the room. If they boycott Stormont! Direct rule. The Conservatives don't partake in Northern Irish elections and the coming boundary changes in the Westminster constituencies should benefit the Conservatives.
Perhaps you could organize a Brilliant course in Spelling or how to use a spellcheck system, this might stop your consistently awful spelling errors like EXICISE
Bad negotiating by the EU, the only proper solution was to block NI out of the custom's union as long as they're part of the UK. The more the individual parts of the UK get annoyed by england's games, the easier to dismantle the UK
Didn't James o brien predict that they would rename the original plan and then pretend it was all shiny and new in order to move on. This is exactly it, almost word for word.
Can we go in more depth about how the heck they're supposed to stop green lane trucks -- sorry, lorries -- from driving into Ireland without, you know, border checkpoints? Or red-lane-inspected ones from swapping to illegal cargo before crossing over?
Two points- UK and EU will continue to have a relationship as indeed the UK did within the EU and that relationship will evolve and change. There is no big issue in revising that relationship at any time, and it will continue to be revised. There is no "done". Most people in England (so most of the UK) really do not care. They know they threw NI under the bus with Brexit and are happy to do so. Sunak is putting his time and effort into a victory that the voters do not care about. There are far more pressing issues to deal with.
Living in NI I can tell you Lincolnshire sausages are not a staple, don't sell that one and have never been seen served in restaurants, we have plenty of skillful butchers here. This was nothing more than another unionist red herring. Neither does your video mention that Brexit support is very much a minority view in NI, and this is represented by the minority DUP, who have frequently shared platforms and policy with UDA UVF narco terrorists along with the extremist TUV.
As long as the Stormont Brake has some real power when it's truly needed it's fine it it's rarely used given all the steps in it to make sure it isn't abused for trivial reasons as well as steps to try and reach a compromise before a veto.
Oh! Meant to say. Sorry about the lower than normal audio quality. I came into the studio early this morning to try and get this video out nice and early. Unfortunately I couldn't get any of the tech to work as I wanted, and I ended up recording the whole video 4 times (wasting about 90 minutes). Anyway, this was the best version I had, and I didn't really have time to run the whole thing again. Fortunately, competent people arrived at about 9am and managed to fix it all for me, so going forward there shouldn't be an issue with any other video - Jack
And the lesson is: Slower and steady, gets the work early and ready 😉
Thank you for all the work you guys do. I was waiting for your video to get all the for and against arguments this topic needed 👍👍
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I was about to comment about that. Thank you for mentioning it
Noticed right away, didn't really affect my overall enjoyment and intaking of the content. Thanks for the communication, cool to hear the behind-the-scene reason hehe ^^
Point the mic at your mouth rather than talking across the top of it, the SM7B doesn't work properly the way you're using it. It has a fairly narrow cone zone of ideal pick up, that's why it sounds randomly roomy as you move by a few centimetres, you're leaning in and out of that zone.
So it's basically what the EU suggested two years ago but with a new and improved British sounding name.
And it's better and happier for it. 😂
These are the games we must play. We live in a society.
@@chris7263 well used to this in Ireland any time there is a scandal over here with a state or semi state body they just rename it to pretend that there has been some reforms made. Makes me think the Irish government was heavily involved in "negotiations" 😂
"Improved" sure but expect they will hate it in less than a month
That's why the EU is the adult in the room. They don't care what it's called or that it's originally their idea, they just want it over with so they can deal with the neighbour's bully child.
Wow, a green lane, where goods can move freely without any unnecessary red tape.
If only there was something like that on a European scale.
Haha any member in the eu has it since there is free moment for goods (with correct relatively simple import form)
The EU is nothing but red tape.
@@twinssword They're not big on sarcasm where you're from are they?
@@ietomos7634 To be fair to many people could post this and being serious about it. I had some completly odd responses to comment i made like nicely sarcastic.
There is. You just need to change the label in Northern Ireland.
The British PM calmly commented on the agreement by saying: "Northern Ireland is now in the fantastic and unique situation in the world where it can enjoy the benefits of the single market and the British one".
No one has reminded him that what he says is a lucky situation is also the situation in which the whole of the United Kingdom was before Brexit.
Not really true, Northern Ireland has a unique access to both the EU single market and the British market whereas before the whole UK had EU single market access and ALL the EU had access the UK market including Northern Ireland. Now that it's only N.I that has full access to both markets it gives Businesses based in N.I an advantage over other UK and EU based companies.
@@stevencornwall5607 So no advantage for the UK compared to the pre-brexit condition.
@@stevencornwall5607 how is that an advantage over all of the UK being in the single market?
The advantage being that the UK will soon be joining the CPTPP, and NI will benefit from that trade agreement (the EU is not a member).
@@RandomBloke007ven so uk will still not benefit from EU market 😂
The year is 2123, Brexit is still ongoing a new NI protocol has been announced by the UK Government. 58th time’s the charm! 🤞
JRM has said it takes 50 years. So in 45 years Brexit ill be done! YaY!
The year is 2123, and UK has just proposed a new brexit deal. The major world powers: USA, China, India, Kurdistan, and Azerbaijan are all in support of this bill. Everything looks gaudy.
@PatchesRips Scotland will still exist in 2123?
There won't be a United Kingdom by then...
@@chrimbus71 Scottish independence will never die.
''This break would only be used as a last resort'' The DUP ''Hold our beer''.
It sounds similar to the filibuster thing or whatever it's called in America
@@imakid42069 There is a reason the european courts are still in play..... Also if the UK governement just dicides this is BS we gonna implement it they kind of look silly.
I give it about three months.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂m'y exact thought
* brake. Why do so many omadhauns find this hard?
Let's be honest, the Northern Ireland Protocol has nothing to do with why the DUP aren't going along with power sharing, it's because they don't want to play second fiddle to Sinn Fein
They signed the Good Friday agreement in good faith. They should suck it up
Absolutely
@@Trecesolotienesdos The DUP did not sign the Good Friday Agreement.
They are only party that didn't.
The TUV didn't exist at the time.
its just a matter of time till the Union is dead. and the world will cheer not because they care about those regions but because they hate the UK. Its baffling how little they understand about the amount of bad will they have sown historically through their monarchy.
I think that's probably part of it, but it's likely become a genuine sticking point now. They genuinely want to be an equal and integral part of the UK.
I didn't give Sunak that much credit initially but he played well, especially while involving Charles so he can name it "The Windsor framework"
And it allows English goods back to Europe through the backdoor
@@budapestkeletistationvoices There's probably good money to be made buying and reselling goods through this lane if has a good head for navigating regulations like this.
The only thing Sunsk did was to stop th confrontational attitude toward th EU.
The reason for the changes is that the EU cares more about maintaining the peace in Northen Ireland than the tories. I, like many in the EU was very annoyed with thos concessions but, after calming down a bit, I realised that peas is, indeed, more importan. I hope that those who wants to heat things up fail.
Give peas a chance.
@@benicolay 😂
The protocol is just an excuse by the DUP, they will never say yes to Stormont because that'd mean they'd be deputy first ministers to Sinn Féin and they will never accept that
Why would anyone accept being deputy to nationalist socialist terrorists?
Bingo. They didn't have a problem with the border until they came second in an election and threw their toys out of the pram.
All they want is a hard border with the republic
But they are being offered something "better", and they will have to defend to the voters why they are failing to improve the situation. "Vote for us to keep things broken" is not a good slogan. I would say the Stormant Brake is so transparently there to get the DUP to function, that Rishi and Ursula might as well have said "...we have to treat the DUP like toddlers in the process, and this is how we are doing it...".
Even though the First Minister and the Deputy First minister are equal positions.
I’m so happy the EU loosened some of its regulations. I am a professional smuggler, I was worried that my career was going to be at risk. 😮💨
Most lucrative trade is in the channel rather than the Irish sea
The tighter the regulations the better the profit margins for smugglers... That's obvious.
If either the UK or the EU doesn't get smugglers arrested or enforce rules, it's in the protocol that this "loosened regulations" will be swiftly and firmly shut. So, sorry pal, bad luck.
@@Gary-bz1rf "now"
@@Gary-bz1rf OK Gary, thanks for your border control insight, we can safely conclude there are now no more drugs in the UK since we left
So, basically, after threatening to immediately break it, the Tories now have agreed to respect the agreement they validated, got elected on and signed off with the EU. Now the EU has to pretend that Sunak has achieved something new, even if the text is mainly written by EU teams based on proposals made by the EU for several years, in order to give him 'a win.' Little Britain.
No, the EU conceded on a lot of points. It’s pretty much written on British terms
@@RRaymer lmao big cope
@@JoseRodriguez-lp7rs I always wonder if they actual believe that or if they being sarcastic. To maney nutters around.....
@@RRaymer Those were points proposed by the EU several times in the past. Now finally accepted by UK as a ‘solution.’ This is about packaging and selling to the rest of the UK government MPs.
@@lours6993 Watch the video again. None of these were proposed by the EU before. Liz truss was the first to bring the idea of green/red lane. The EU admitted that they gave concessions in order to protect the Good Friday agreement. If that agreement was broken if you watched Ursula Vons speech - and a hard border was drawn, the IRA threatened attacks against Brussels/Berlin. She knew it was in the the EU’s interest a deal was reached so violence doesn’t reach the EU doors itself
I am from the EU, and honestly the idea that a handful of unionists in NI can hold in any shape of form the lawmaking of the whole EU(nearly 400mil. people) to ransom, is quite frankly obscene..
They tend to start ethnic cleansing when they're upset.
Europeans: "How complicated can British law get?"
The British: "Yes."
Hold my beer…
Biden /EU : "Lets have a world war with Russia "
The British : " Yes "
Thought this format died
Why is TLDR pretending that Sunak came up with this deal? The EU proposed this years ago.
Well, the Tories are back.
it´s the british way
They'd gotten really weirdly pro UK recently. In small but very noticable ways
Really? Why? It doesn't seem to give the EU anything.
@@DaDunge Yeah, I see a lot of comments on this video saying the EU proposed most of these things ages ago, but what I don't get and I was already wondering at the end of the video is what the EU gets out of it. It seems like they lose out on having clear jurisdiction in cases of conflict, since Stormont is explicitly _not_ under the ECJ, and I haven't heard any explicit benefits other than slight improvements in international relations and maybe slightly improved trade with the UK, albeit through the black market. If anyone could explain, I'd be grateful.
I am sure the right in the UK will find a way to make a mess out of this
TOD DAM MARXISMUS
If the DUP are happy then Ireland is getting screwed.
Up Ireland !!!
We won't be stopped
They are not happy
Not a chance bud. As much as we complain about our politicians they're on the ball constantly when it comes to dealing with backwards looking cunts like the DUP and tories.
We'll be fine... I want my brothers and sisters in the north to be safe and secure. We would welcome them with open arms.
This is the most Irish logic I've ever heard.
@@amh9494 Exactly, because it is completely true if you know anything about DUP behaviour.
I just love the way Sunak/Johnson tell the people of NI how lucky they are to be in the single market and customs union and can thus enjoy hassle free trading with the EU. Unlike the rest of the UK. Same as them wanting Ukraine to join the EU.
Wouldn't put it past Boris to enjoy seeing Ukraine join the EU to upset the Franco-German apple-cart.
Population of 44 million gets Ukraine around 60 seats in the EU Parliament. Nightmare for the biggest net contributor to the EU, Germany. Between a rock and a hard place. The more countries join the weaker the Franco-Germans become. Especially if national vetoes are replaced by quantity majority voting. All that lovely German lolly being spent like there's no tomorrow and they can't do much about it. The Woke Brussels having a conservative Vizegrad group as a rival. Hungary and Poland will welcome Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova with open arms! Slava Ukraine!
Lol. NI still have toes.
so what was brexit for ????
I guess the devil is in the details.
The questions for me are:
- How does the EU prevent smuggling from UK to Ireland (send goods to NI through the green lane, then sell them to a 2nd party to be sent to Ireland). Where can checks be made on this (e.g. NI customs must actively prevent goods intended for Ireland before they get to the UK-IRL boarder, and data share with their Irish counterparts?).
- If the Stormant Brake is applied, and if the EU do not see it as justifiable, it breaks the Framework? What would be the consequences?
If there are no details for these in the framework for these I would consider the EU has given up a lot in this negotiation.
I am honestly very concerned about the thought of an Assembly from a region where the majority voted for Brexit have veto power on EU regulations. The democratic deficit is actually worsened for EU citizens
The first one is meant to be dealt with data sharing, obviously there will always be some degree of a black market, but if labelled correctly and tracked you could detect if large shipments of certain items are entering the green lane when they shouldn't be. In turn, if I recall correctly, items that are causing concern can be moved into the red lane for a time to put checks on them. This is already done for higher risk items.
The Stormont Break seems to me to be a nuclear option for Stormont, but also one which they do not have full control over. Both the UK and Stormont would need to be in agreement, and for all the fancy additional words on top of that - when it is activated, what it is essentially doing is passing over to the EU and UK leadership to deal with the issue on a political level. Which is how all these things would need to be dealt with regardless, once you leave a specific legal jurisdiction then the conversation becomes a political one between the powers that be.
If the UK and EU have turned a corner on their relationship, and this is done constructively, then I see no reason why there should be major issues going forward. I do not think an anti-EU stance is going to be a vote winner in the UK, and part of the issue with a lot of the Pro-Brexit side of things is that they view being "Pro-Brexit" as "Anti-EU" when really, there is nothing necessarily contradictory with being Pro-Brexit and also wanting to collaborate with the EU across a whole host of areas for mutual benefit. In fact, to me the argument for Brexit that involved being more flexible and setting our own regulations is undermined by automatically ruling out such collaboration - if we can pick and choose, and the UK and EU benefit, why not? It's good for relations too.
@@PunishedRalph That would mean that there would need to be checks on the 'green lane' as well - e.g. to make sure that products are labeled correctly (e.g. "only to be sold in N.I."). I highly doubt that the UK would want to invest time and money into this.
Ireland already checks goods coming from the north, its just not done at the border. They do random road stops and intelligence based raids. Ireland is one of the most pro EU countries on the planet, there is no way they are going to let some unionists or northern irish people run wild smuggling goods through Dublin.
@@willmako5009 The veto is not EU wide it is only Northern Ireland wide. For example. EU says tomorrow "All sheep must be stamped with mark x" - the new rule applies in NI, NI pulls the break - This break does nothing in the EU it stops for the moment NI sheep having to be marked. Then EU & UK(westminister) discuss how it will apply to NI, they can agree among themselves that NI will indeed mark sheep, or they can say that Ireland will check NI marked sheep. The UK and NI have no veto inside EU, no matter what they do the EU laws will roll out in the EU. Also NI voted to stay in the EU, they didnt vote for brexit. They were taken out against their wishes.
"The UK holds an equivocal veto that is not subject to the ECJ's oversight". Yes, but you are missing an important point: If the UK does veto, then the EU is allowed to "take appropriate remedial measures".
Tories got brexit done, are getting brexit doner and come next election donest.
@Don Doodat Why wouldn't you want to live in a country that serves it's OWN people first and foremost?
What have you got against the UK recovering all the lost industry and world leading endeavours?
Let me ask you a question, if you left your wife & kids behind (if you even have any) and paddled across the channel then stowed away on lorries going through 10-12 different countries to get to say Syria, would you expect them to give you FREE housing, FREE healthcare, FREE clothing, FREE food and in most cases where I live in Scotland a FREE public transport pass to get about?
Now do you wonder why so many so called "immigrants" head for our shores?
Is it really that difficult to understand?
And now that Brexit is real it's also no coincidence that immigration has drastically fallen because the gravy train is coming to an end.
@@SMSCOOBY71 Brexit Got The Tories Done.
@@SMSCOOBY71 The UK never lost industry to the EU or as a result of the EU.
@@SMSCOOBY71 Immigration increased you prick
@@SMSCOOBY71 Britain lost its industry not to the EU, but to Asia. The story of industrial decline is the exact same in all of Western Europe. Britain, with the exception of London, has in comparison with most of Western Europe not adequately replaced that hole with the service industry.
The EU actually made British industry better. It could get expertise, machines and parts with ease. There was very little red tape in the supply chain. Cooperation gives you a great competitive advantage. Especially when your competition does not have that advantage.
Saw a video off BBC on the subject a day ago, started watching it and could not finish.
Wanted to find out what the deal is but there was so much filler at the start that I couldn't stand it.
Thanks for being here TLDR!
The BBC and this website ? Wow , what an informed citizen you are!
@@benitolazio8193 Wheres you are informed well enough to uncover top secret conspiracies everywhere , I see by your other comments..
Good on ya mate!
Wow, UK is having a lot of trouble creating trade deals with a trade a block THEY ARE LITERALLY SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES BY.
You know, one would think they'd want to join the trade block and reduce friction further.
It's not a trade bloc. The UK thought it was joining one and didn't read the small print and the gruesome details about political and financial union. They admitted it.
What trade bloc in the World demands a share of your fish!
None, the WTO and CPTPP don't.
👉 If there wasn't a trade deal they would have traded on WTO terms anyway. It wasn't a big deal.
👉Only 4% of UK companies actually trade with the EU.
The goose that lays the golden eggs is services not goods.
For most Brexiteers it was never about trade which should improve eventually simply because the UK has taken back control and can legislate for itself not be only 1/28th. Sovereignty and the Constitution were always far more important.
The UK was in the EU for convenience. The problem was, the EU was never interested in a relationship of convenience. The EU is primarily a political project, intent on gradually replacing its members’ law, governance and institutions, with its own. In short, the EU required a far deeper level of commitment than the UK was prepared to offer.
The UK’s relationship with the EU had many perks. But are the perks really worth it in the long run, if you’re not prepared to offer the required level of commitment?
And in the case of the UK and the EU, the answer was simply “no”.
Much of the opposition to Brexit fails to understand this. People are upset about losing the perks and understandably so. But when it comes to the flip side of the perks - the commitment - they are often dismissive or blasé. One often finds Brexit opponents denying the true nature of the project: “It’s just a trade bloc”; “Its rules are basically just trade rules”; “It doesn’t constrain national sovereignty…” are things one often hears.
I’m usually quite dismissive of claims like that. It shows the speaker is aware about very little about the union they claim to want to be a member of. You don’t make a case for something by denying the reality of that ‘something’ you’re trying to make a case for. For me, they prove the very point they claim to be arguing against.
You want to be a member of a trade bloc that’s all peace, love, harmony and goodwill towards mankind, governed by simple, commonly agreed rules but with no overarching political ambition of its own? How very interesting. Go set one up then because a union such as the one you described, is not on offer. In the European context, it simply does not exist. You have just described, very eloquently indeed, why the UK should not be a member of the EU.
Extract from B. Lane.
Imon, I would love to join a trade block. Unfortunately the EU is not one. It is a political project. This project uses the threat of free trade REMOVAL in order to control the direction of the project. In case you were in any doubt the aim is complete amalgamation of all our countries into a United States of Europe.
Starmer is going to support the framework for sure. If it passes and Labour votes no, they will look bad. And if it they vote no and the framework not pass, then Starmer will have to deal with the mess when and if he gets elected. Its best to just get it over with. Besides, this is not a pure win for Sunak. On a fundamental level, he is fixing a mess the Tories themselves created. Starmer seems to understand this too.
Agreed, labour have just got to rip the shit out of the Tories about it being a deal the EU offered first. Really hammer at home and ridicule them."You mean Northern Ireland have a shittier version of the veto power we used to have in the EU? Red and green lanes sound extremely similar to expressways…, Great job you've worked really hard on there Conservative party".
Will this mean our PM could now order a correct fitting suit ?
Is the full, exact, and original English text available yet? I can find the command paper and summaries, but could not find the legal wording when I searched for it yesterday.
The DUP will be unhappy about everything as they too know that demographics is pushing Northern Ireland down the long one-way slope to Unification which has been the EU/Republic of Ireland ambition all along.
The nationalists could be positive about this, English Nationalists. Hard to see why they should subsidise Scotland & Northern Ireland anyway.
Have you spotted the ROI leader in Ukraine? Promising them tanks? After all the Ukraine want to join the EU?
It's the first principle of any government to protect it's own people.
Does the ROI own any tanks? If not why not? Does it have it's own air force? No, it has some training aircraft. The ROI can't afford a viable defence force. Like it can't afford a National Health Service.
Who would support Ulster? Itself? The ROI?
An ROI newspaper polled it's readers.
It asked 3 questions.
1). Do you support a United Ireland! Over half did.
2). Would you be prepared to pay extra taxes?46% said yes
3). Would you subsidise Ukster? 13% said yes.
There is no political independence without financial independance.
If the ROI can't afford it's own National Health Service how on earth could it afford to subsidise Ulster's National Health Service?
I don't think the wider EU really gives cares or thinks about Northern Ireland.
Noone except Ireland and the UK care about NI. As long as there's peace there, it doesn't matter that much what they do.
Here we go again… No. There is no “long one way slope to unification”. Support for unification hasn’t budged since the good Friday agreement in 1998: polling in December found it at just 26%, unchanged since 1998. Roughly a third of northern Irish Catholics support continuing the union with Britain, to just over half who want united Ireland. The growing nonsectarian population also majority supports the union. The nationalist parties overall lost support last election. Irish unification is a very, very, very long way off, if it’s ever happening at all
Nope. I don't want that shower down South. Thank you very much.
I don't honestly know anyone who does.
British politics being dysfunctional is a reflection of a dysfunctional electorate. I'm in the UK for work from Australia and I'm in awe with the sheer number of people who are apathetic towards civics and some voting decisions are made on a whim or emotion (brexit voters, Tories voters). I've met heaps of people who just don't talk or think about politics and a lot of people appear to be willfully ignorant to economic situation they put themselves in.
It’s tribal, not rational
Bravo, at least 2 of us can see it
ALL parties and positions have voters who are irrational and emotional and vote on a whim. Spoilers: people see the world differently.
I'm sure you've noticed that a lot of people here have been convinced they're stupid and have almost a fear of talking about economics or politics in any real depth beyond the superficial or jingoistic nationalism.
What you're seeing is part of the class system that so rigidly controls this country.
I'm willing to bet that most of the people you mention are working class or have relatively recent working class roots.
There's an astounding stigma against talking about certain topics in 'too clever' a way, especially since the unions were broken.
French woman here, I feel the same.
what needs to happen NI Wales and scotland needs to tell england we out and brake away
don't think balkanising the island will make things better
There are two possibilities arising from this deal in the future
1: NI products become cheaper due to UK VAT laws and start affecting ROI’s market/business which will bring this deal under scrutiny. Moreover the possibility of mixing of green and red lane and smuggling is also quite high.
2: NI laws become more and more equivalent with EU laws making products of NI expensive for GB to import thus drifting NI more to EU.
1 this will work within NI but not when you cross the Irish border then you have to comply with EU regulation.
2 is most likely within the next 10-20 years.
Basically this deals allows a parallel import/export road just for NI. Everything which shall go to the EU directly will go through the "green lane".
Its the most simple agreement what could be made. I just hope for UK the DUP and Tories backturds won't be stupid again.
@@fan2hd277 The border on the Island of Ireland is _open_ though. Nobody can prevent people from the RoI to buy things in NI.
7 years on, and the UK is STILL discussing Brexit... LOL
As an EU citizen I'm happy if we can finally find an agreement especially with the new IRA coming back but clearly if the ECJ is not in charge I hope the EU parliament will cancel that...
the EU has no right in tell us what to do! they only are doing this so other country in the EU doesn't leave that undemocratic country. where you don't get to decided who runs the EU
The new ira......
1. The New IRA never went away they're a tiny break away group that doesn't have the support of Nationalist and
2. You do realise that Loyalist terrorist groups have continued to be active and never disbanded even though they were suppose too along with the PIRA 22 years ago! They literally threatened violence this week across the North.
3. These terrorist groups represented by the LCC Group have had regular meetings with the DUP and the West Minister government over the NI protocol, Lizz Truss had a secret meeting with them all while one of them tried to murder the Irish Foreign Minister Simon Coveney with a pipe bomb as he was attending a peace talk in Belfast....but ya only mention the New IRA
What an ignorant comment.
IRA? What?
@@Anthony-xd1lj In this case we forget about the good friday agreement and we can put back the borders and the new IRA will be very happy and the NI will go back into civil war... I agree with you the EU has no right in tell you what to do but in this case you have no right to have access to our market.
@@gingerandbroke1402 True i'm ignorant on this matter but if your info are true in this case you should tell TLDR because they made a video on the new IRA and my informations are base on that.
Good explainer, as usual, lads. A small quibble though: you speak of "the politicians in Northern Ireland" as being essential to the deal going through. In fact what you're referring to is the two parties who clearly oppose the protocol in principle (the DUP and the TUV) who represent a total of 28.9% of the first preference vote in Northern Ireland. Even the UUP (11.9 % 1st preference) is almost certainly going to be onside with the new agreement and everyone else (representing 60% of the vote) has virtually no problem whatsoever with even the old version of the protocol. The disappearance of all those parties from recent discussions on the protocol is less mysterious than it is grating, however: the DUP on its own has the power to stymie devolution and normal politics in Northern Ireland. The DUP and TUV emphatically do not represent "the people of Northern Ireland", nor even a plurality (much less a majority) of those people. One should always be careful to point that truth out.
Thanks again for your efforts!
Doubtful. The EU may be ok with it, but it won't go further as some people won't be happy about it. Rinse, repeat
This seems to progress in an acceptable manner on Sunak's watch.
Why can't the rest of the UK have the same deal as NI? It sounds wonderful.
as long as we bend the Knee tae the EU, ECJ , we get our Sovereignty BACK , WHIT A LOAD A ,SHITE.
They had and decided to quit
Maybe because rest of is don't want to have anything to do with EU
Can someone explain to me what benefits the EU gets out of this? Just terminate the NI protocol (as the UK already is in noncompliance with it), revoke NI access to the single market, watch NI and UK economy crash even further and get Irish reunification done...
I really hope the European Parliament strikes this shit down.
If DUP won't accept this, will they be known as the Windsor Not?
Which is exactly why the Crown was pulled into this: it's specifically to make the DUP look bad if they reject it. After all, why would loyal Ulster subjects of the Crown reject something the King endorses?
If only there is a way to remove red tapes
As long as England wallows in its exceptionalism, brexit will NEVER be 'done'. The UK should never have been allowed into the EU. It is high time the EU is done with the UK.
Thatcher begged to enter the EU because UK was in a big economical crisis at the time. We were just stupid enough to accept the exceptionalism. Now we are done with it thanks to Brexit, I do wish England to rejoin but next time on EU terms. Before that Scotland should be independent and Ireland reunited.
The UK was never a right fit for the Community. We have had a parliament since January 1265. The voter is used to knowing who they vote for and what policies will be carried out. Contrast that to the EU? Did you vote for the EU President? Or the EU Council? Or the EU Commission? If not why not? Don't they trust the public?
That is the way the EU was set up on purpose. To be run by elites for elites. Only the EU Council and the EU Commission can enact legislation. Not the EU Parliament.
President DeGaulle was right, he refused UK entry twice. He knew we would be a square peg in a round hole. This became obvious later with Maastricht and Lisbon. In it's present guise the EU is probably doomed.
You could also say Greece should never have been allowed to join the Eurozone.
There is a criteria of maximum of 3% debt to GDP to.join the Eurozone. Italy were dishonest and claimed their debt was less. The then Greek government seeing what the Italians had done did the same. You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure out what comes next. Yanis Varoufakis was right but his Prime Minister, Tsipras, let him down. Most of the Greek debt wasn't Greek but German and French. Deutschebank and Bank Paribas could have ended but for the Eurozone printing money and giving money to them, telling the Bundestag it was for the "Greeks". The third loan for the "Greeks", actually Greeks didn't see a Euro. 20% of 18-25 Greeks have left sadly. So much for the EU! In the real world Greece should have reclaimed the Drachmae and been able to devalue. The Eurozone is like Hotel California. You can check out anytime but you can't leave!
The Golden Rule is those with the gold make all the rules.
The EU is a Franco-German hegemon. All others are in effect vassal states. Nothing gets passed without the Franco-Germans wanting it. Power is an illusion for the others.
In the Eurozone technically Frankfurt is independent of Berlin. In practice?
The bigger the EU becomes the worse democracy which the Greeks invented, will get. I know things weren't great in Greece '67-'74. Not so great now. Do the maths. If Ukraine join, a population of 44 million gets them something like 60 seats in the EU Parliament. This has already caused sleepless nights in Germany. They will lose some of their power. It's inevitable. As the single biggest net contributor via the EU budget and having less control of it is being between a rock and a hard place. Varoufakis predicts the first country to leave the Eurozone will be Germany. You can see his logic. It's only going to get worse for them and you. You will have less control than even you do now. The Eurozone is now, effectively, the Deutchesmarkzone and there's little you can do about it. You should have maybe had Grexit if you been better organised.
The Germans apparently want to treaty change. If national vetoes go out in favour of qualified majority voting Germany and all countries will have even less power to stop the runaway train.
Hope things turn out well for you.
The UK was in the EU for convenience. The problem was, the EU was never interested in a relationship of convenience. The EU is primarily a political project, intent on gradually replacing its members’ law, governance and institutions, with its own. In short, the EU required a far deeper level of commitment than the UK was prepared to offer.
The UK’s relationship with the EU had many perks. But are the perks really worth it in the long run, if you’re not prepared to offer the required level of commitment?
And in the case of the UK and the EU, the answer was simply “no”.
Much of the opposition to Brexit fails to understand this. People are upset about losing the perks and understandably so. But when it comes to the flip side of the perks - the commitment - they are often dismissive or blasé. One often finds Brexit opponents denying the true nature of the project: “It’s just a trade bloc”; “Its rules are basically just trade rules”; “It doesn’t constrain national sovereignty…” are things one often hears.
I’m usually quite dismissive of claims like that. It shows the speaker is aware about very little about the union they claim to want to be a member of. You don’t make a case for something by denying the reality of that ‘something’ you’re trying to make a case for. For me, they prove the very point they claim to be arguing against.
You want to be a member of a trade bloc that’s all peace, love, harmony and goodwill towards mankind, governed by simple, commonly agreed rules but with no overarching political ambition of its own? How very interesting. Go set one up then because a union such as the one you described, is not on offer. In the European context, it simply does not exist. You have just described, very eloquently indeed, why the UK should not be a member of the EU.
Extract from B. Lane.
@@English_Dawn Here's MY extract: 80 years of unparalleled growth, prosperity, peace since the EU was founded. Not bad, after European civilization was almost wiped out TWICE in the first fifty years of the 20th century.
What exactly is the plan to prevent re-export of goods from NI to the RoI? Since there are no checks allowed at the border on the island of Ireland this could open a huge loophole.
You're acting like we've got anything worthwhile of value to offer…
The Irish do checks already, just not on the border. They also make them random and intelligence based. Ireland has already been doing these checks since before brexit for things like UK diesel and petrol being imported. The good friday agreement means relations must be "Normal" a border check is not normal, but random road checks on goods is normal. These checks in theory can happen anywhere on the island and do. But lets say they get them down to the south undetected, now how do they get them to the EU, they need an Irish person to put them on a ship that bypasses the UK and heads straight for the EU. So they put 1 cargo container of lets say TVs on the ship. Dublin will notice this cargo container. Dublin does random checks on containers, they already look for smuggling. They are a trusted port and very pro EU. The amount of ships that bypass the UK totally and go straight to the EU is actually quite small, its at a level that pretty much carries whats expected. If you got away with smuggling then its at levels that happen already. even something small like 100 new cargo containers to smuggle stuff would be noticed. Irish customs can carry out searches in Ireland without a warrant. So if they see "Paul from Dublin" put the goods on the ship, they can walk into pauls house and search it and search every property paul owns, and go through all pauls documents. Of couse it will happen, it will always happen, but really, only at levels that it already does and they are already actively combating it.
@@blindbrad4719 We could tranship chlorinated chicken and beef that has so much hormones it'll make a baby grow a beard.
Sure, I suppose now that the "Windsor" protocol is in the bag, America will finally do business with us… LOL
So they basically took the EU proposal and put a UK aka Windsor sticker on it. That's the spirit. Yay BREXIT.
Just listening to the Windsor Framework has me questioning ways people could potentially break the rules.
How does the Framework ensure that businesses mark Greenlane goods honestly? How will they prevent people from lying about the destination of Redlane goods just to get around the paperwork?
And how will they ensure the Stormont Break isn't abused? If they only need 30 MLAs from 2 parties to veto rules they don't like, what's stopping them from having a member of one party cross the aisle to another so 29 members of 1 party and 1 "member of another party" trigger the Break?
It's clear that something needs to be done to the NI Protocol, but they'd better take a close look at the details of the Framework to patch out any future headaches.
Also, I've heard mention of a "Trusted Partner" (or similar wording) system, which worries me that really it's just a facilitator for large companies that does nothing for anyone else.
I just read sunak will go ahead without DUP consent
Hopefully, there’s been enough pandering to the DUP.
Will there be a book based on the most important political building in London (the TDLR office)
Weird audio in this video
It’s almost like the cameras mic was used instead of the SM7B🤔
"Grandfather? You know those stories you used to scare us with about a thing called brexit? I heard it's over now..."
"It is my sweets, it's over... (for now...)"
This was proposed by the EU a few years ago .
If you haven’t already could you please do a video on how the final brexit deal compares to EU membership had we remained?
Will the UK now be publishing the 'Windsor Framework' in truly 'British' blue leather covers, made in France?
I see border leakage as once in the market how can you prevent goods moving from NI to the republic?
Also, when that happens is it still dealt with under the ECJ? I would hope so...
You misspelt excise
How do we know that product shipped from England to Northern Ireland will only be used in Northern Ireland? It seems pretty easy to ship products from England to Northern Ireland, then change hands in Northern Ireland (so it is used in Northern Ireland), and then ship the product to the rest of the EU. If people says "yes, but we can control that products were coming from England at the first place", it means that we need custom control between Northern Ireland and the rest of the EU. So it would have been better to have a hard Brexit in this case.
It seems like this protocol opens a back door for British products to enter to the common market, and the way around assuming British regulations are stricter than EU regulations.
Wait, what stops a company from setting up a green lane entity, then sell those goods to a separate bu sending those goods off to the eu without checks?
I think there is some sort of trusted trader scheme. Also I think there is meant to be different packaging. But you are probably right. This morning there are probably a few repackaging factories in the works to take advantage.
How would they sell those goods to a separate business without checks? They still have to go over the border.
They still get to tax these companies in the EU, also there's tax on petrol to EU countries, tax on vehicles since they'd be EU vehicles and not UK ones, so the EU countries still get some tax income from it. So costs will still be higher but not as high and also more work as you now have to deal with logistics EU to N.Ireland to UK instead of EU to UK pre-brexit.
I believe that they want to solve that by not allowing goods to be sent through the green lane to warehouses which transport to the EU
someone will always take advantage but if trade significantly increases I'm sure somebody will check
There is no 'old protocol' the NIP is still fully in force. The Stormont Brake can also result in the application of sanctions by the EU.
We would all do well to remember that ALL these problems could have been avoided by remaining inside the EU!
Yes, these issues would but a bunch of other issues would still be prevalent.
You would do well to remember the UK voted to leave the EU
@@00dude3 correction, England did, Scotland and Northern Ireland didn't agree, you dragged everybody out
The UK was in the EU for convenience. The problem was, the EU was never interested in a relationship of convenience. The EU is primarily a political project, intent on gradually replacing its members’ law, governance and institutions, with its own. In short, the EU required a far deeper level of commitment than the UK was prepared to offer.
The UK’s relationship with the EU had many perks. But are the perks really worth it in the long run, if you’re not prepared to offer the required level of commitment?
And in the case of the UK and the EU, the answer was simply “no”.
Much of the opposition to Brexit fails to understand this. People are upset about losing the perks and understandably so. But when it comes to the flip side of the perks - the commitment - they are often dismissive or blasé. One often finds Brexit opponents denying the true nature of the project: “It’s just a trade bloc”; “Its rules are basically just trade rules”; “It doesn’t constrain national sovereignty…” are things one often hears.
I’m usually quite dismissive of claims like that. It shows the speaker is aware about very little about the union they claim to want to be a member of. You don’t make a case for something by denying the reality of that ‘something’ you’re trying to make a case for. For me, they prove the very point they claim to be arguing against.
You want to be a member of a trade bloc that’s all peace, love, harmony and goodwill towards mankind, governed by simple, commonly agreed rules but with no overarching political ambition of its own? How very interesting. Go set one up then because a union such as the one you described, is not on offer. In the European context, it simply does not exist. You have just described, very eloquently indeed, why the UK should not be a member of the EU.
Extract from B. Lane.
@@Mr.Armandolu "Dragged everybody out? If people think they can survive with the English tax-payer subsidy, perhaps they leave? For-the-record Scotland, Northern Ireland and London were 3 out of the lowest 4 "Remain" voting areas.
It is facile thinking it was ever about trade. Only 4% of UK companies trade with the EU.
For 2/3rds of "Leavers" it was much more important, the Sovereignty and the Constitution.
When did the public ever vote for the EU President, the EU Council or the EU Commission? Have you? If not why not? Don't they trust the public? The last two are the only two bodies with legislative initiative and an enact laws. The EU Parliament, the only body subject to a public vote, can't.
The British government fell for it. They thought they were joining a "trading-bloc". Politicians later realised they hadn't read the small print over it's political and financial aims, even though warning-signs were there from the beginning. Which "trading-bloc" in the World demand a share of your fish! None, the WTO and CPTPP don't.
The UK was in the EU for convenience. The problem was, the EU was never interested in a relationship of convenience. The EU is primarily a political project, intent on gradually replacing its members’ law, governance and institutions, with its own. In short, the EU required a far deeper level of commitment than the UK was prepared to offer.
The UK’s relationship with the EU had many perks. But are the perks really worth it in the long run, if you’re not prepared to offer the required level of commitment?
And in the case of the UK and the EU, the answer was simply “no”.
Much of the opposition to Brexit fails to understand this. People are upset about losing the perks and understandably so. But when it comes to the flip side of the perks - the commitment - they are often dismissive or blasé. One often finds Brexit opponents denying the true nature of the project: “It’s just a trade bloc”; “Its rules are basically just trade rules”; “It doesn’t constrain national sovereignty…” are things one often hears.
I’m usually quite dismissive of claims like that. It shows the speaker is aware about very little about the union they claim to want to be a member of. You don’t make a case for something by denying the reality of that ‘something’ you’re trying to make a case for. For me, they prove the very point they claim to be arguing against.
You want to be a member of a trade bloc that’s all peace, love, harmony and goodwill towards mankind, governed by simple, commonly agreed rules but with no overarching political ambition of its own? How very interesting. Go set one up then because a union such as the one you described, is not on offer. In the European context, it simply does not exist. You have just described, very eloquently indeed, why the UK should not be a member of the EU.
Extract from B. Lane.
Could you do an explainer which highlights the differences between this deal and previous (seemingly identical) ideas suggested by May and, before her, the EU negotiators?
@@jeffcxx The EU suggested such a plan to the UK years ago. I am sure the details are different, but... the idea is likely very close to an EU proposal.
A couple of thoughs
The Green lane - also Trusted Trader?? how much of the trade will go through that, will it just be large companies such as Supermarkets and Courier firms who will be expected to do the work of the checks before hand?
GB Goods allowed in NI - has Sunak tacitly agreed to maintain UK standards in line with EU ones?
The Stormont Brake - needs to be agreed by UK Govt - will that ever happen (esp if there is a Lab Govt )?
The Stormont Break feels like one of those buried landmines that's going to be fine for years until suddenly it gets activated over something and then the whole agreement falls apart
@@Maawaa I give it a year and a half.
the problem will be addressed when a majority of catholic irish will claim unity with the south, having a democratic majority to do it
Von Der Leyen smiled a lot, but was in fact just trying not to laugh out loud. The fact that Sunak thinks accepting a deal offered by the EU years ago counts as a 'victory' is indeed amusing 🤭But I do hope for the UK that applying (rejoining is such a presumptuous word) for EU membership is one step closer now. Poverty isn't fun.
I support Ukraine but it is laughable for the UK to be parading Boris around talking about sovereignty of countries with this Scotland and Ireland bs going around. No to mention the entire history of the British around the world.
Is this going to help EU and UK business to trade more seemlessly? A lot of businesses stopped trading with the other market since Brexit cause of all the fees and VAT etc
Britain was always at a disadvantage on this front anyway, so it was never the level playing field it was made out to be. However, in terms of day to day trade, with mainland UK and the EU, this will/should have little to no impact.
Not entirely sure until the text gets published, but based on the scope of this the answer should be no. Unless the UK officially starts a massive smuggling operations via NI, which would automatically result in the activation of the break clauses.
There are some existing workarounds within the NI protocol that result in better trade terms (like moving your business to NI or the ROI) and there is a chance a few more appear, but is not very likely that potential new ones would be any better.
No, it doesn’t make much of a difference. Since Brexit there have been a lot of different barriers to trade with the EU and by extension also NI (which remained in the EU customs Union). The only thing this deal does is create a way to avoid those barriers if sending goods to NI. There is no impact on trade with any part of the EU proper.
Nope, this just deals with the problems of the island of Ireland.
who does your research? green and red lanes were part of a deal offered by the EU 3 or 4 years ago and was a superior deal to this, that was voted down by the tories and rishi sunak. what has happened is rishi sunak is being praised for accepting an EU offer. this should have been picked up immediately.
The Windsor Framework is nothing more than a new fancy name for the NI Protocol. The ERG through the DUP under the bus again lol.
Tell me you don’t understand the new deal without telling me you don’t understand the new deal
@@GlitchNectar tell me you don't understand the old deal without telling me you don't understand the old deal.
Nothing in this falls outside the scope of the NIP.
The thing I still don't get is how we want to make sure, that exports to NI via the green line will stay in Northern Ireland and not enter the EU via Ireland unchecked?
Yeah, that's my big question too. Also, what does the EU get out of this deal? TLDR mentioned it benefited both sides, but I fail to see how the EU side was doing anything other than saving British asses, rather than spending their time and energy on something a little more useful. Honestly, it seems like the old deal was arguably better for the EU.
I don't think they can. But they will have access to live customs data, so I guess will be aware of any unusual shipments. I guess they have calculated that keeping smuggling at a domestic rather than industrial scale, is a price worth paying to see the issue resolved.
Finally?
This is great for NI, but as someone from mainland UK, I want what NI have. This does not even begin to solve Brexit, Brexit will not be solved until the UK re joins the UE.
The EU in it's present guide is probably doomed. Did you ever vote for the EU President? Or the the only two bodies with power to enact legislation, the EU Council and the EU Commission? If not why not? Don't they trust the public? It was set up on purpose that way. That's why the UK left the EU NOT trade.
Only 4% of UK companies trade with the EU.
Brexit was much more important than that.
With more countries joining the EU the less power the EU 27 will have as a proportion.
The EU is effectively a Franco-German hegemon and the Eurozone effectively the Deutchesmarkzone. Anything else and vassal states thinking they have power is an illusion.
Even the Franco-Germans will not have it their own way as more countries join and get seats in the EU Parliament as weak as it is. Do the maths.
Less national vetoes and more qualified majority voting makes it worse. It's a runaway train.
The UK was in the EU for convenience. The problem was, the EU was never interested in a relationship of convenience. The EU is primarily a political project, intent on gradually replacing its members’ law, governance and institutions, with its own. In short, the EU required a far deeper level of commitment than the UK was prepared to offer.
The UK’s relationship with the EU had many perks. But are the perks really worth it in the long run, if you’re not prepared to offer the required level of commitment?
And in the case of the UK and the EU, the answer was simply “no”.
Much of the opposition to Brexit fails to understand this. People are upset about losing the perks and understandably so. But when it comes to the flip side of the perks - the commitment - they are often dismissive or blasé. One often finds Brexit opponents denying the true nature of the project: “It’s just a trade bloc”; “Its rules are basically just trade rules”; “It doesn’t constrain national sovereignty…” are things one often hears.
I’m usually quite dismissive of claims like that. It shows the speaker is aware about very little about the union they claim to want to be a member of. You don’t make a case for something by denying the reality of that ‘something’ you’re trying to make a case for. For me, they prove the very point they claim to be arguing against.
You want to be a member of a trade bloc that’s all peace, love, harmony and goodwill towards mankind, governed by simple, commonly agreed rules but with no overarching political ambition of its own? How very interesting. Go set one up then because a union such as the one you described, is not on offer. In the European context, it simply does not exist. You have just described, very eloquently indeed, why the UK should not be a member of the EU.
Extract by B. Lane.
Sounds like the EU folded pretty badly on their requirements tbh. How can we trade with Northern Ireland if they don't fulfill 97% of the requirements? Also, this whole green and red lane thing sounds super easy to circumvent.
In fact not. Finally the already earlier EU proposals have been implemented. Or that’s the plan…
The people of the Republic will flag any transgression they observe.
Anyway I've never seen British sausages and rashers for sale in Ireland.
Lidl tried selling German meat here.
They soon realised thay were on a losing streak. Now all fresh meat from Lidl is certified Irish.
What is the point of sending goods for the EU via Northern Ireland? You could easily send goods directly. Be less time-consuming and cheaper.
@@williampatrickfagan7590 Quite so. It was largely theoretical. Why should anyone send goods 'intended" for the EU via
Northern Ireland when they can send them to the Republican of Ireland directly?
You mean you've never had Lincolnshire Sausages! Up there with white pudding
@@English_Dawn
No. We have Clonakilty pudding and sausages.
Available in Tesco G B as far as I'm aware.
Ireland produces enough food to feed 10 times its population or 50 million souls.
Exicise? (2:01) Excise surely?
Brexiters will NEVER be happy. Even with a perfect Brexit. It's their way of life, complaining and accusing anything else for what's wrong or imagining that "wrong".
Therefore, Brexit will never be done for them.
You're thinking of Remoaners. It's literally in the name.
Most of them wont be happy until there's some ethnic cleansing - the wierdos
Lots of EU rules to be consigned to the bin yet.
The UK was in the EU for convenience. The problem was, the EU was never interested in a relationship of convenience. The EU is primarily a political project, intent on gradually replacing its members’ law, governance and institutions, with its own. In short, the EU required a far deeper level of commitment than the UK was prepared to offer.
The UK’s relationship with the EU had many perks. But are the perks really worth it in the long run, if you’re not prepared to offer the required level of commitment?
And in the case of the UK and the EU, the answer was simply “no”.
Much of the opposition to Brexit fails to understand this. People are upset about losing the perks and understandably so. But when it comes to the flip side of the perks - the commitment - they are often dismissive or blasé. One often finds Brexit opponents denying the true nature of the project: “It’s just a trade bloc”; “Its rules are basically just trade rules”; “It doesn’t constrain national sovereignty…” are things one often hears.
I’m usually quite dismissive of claims like that. It shows the speaker is aware about very little about the union they claim to want to be a member of. You don’t make a case for something by denying the reality of that ‘something’ you’re trying to make a case for. For me, they prove the very point they claim to be arguing against.
You want to be a member of a trade bloc that’s all peace, love, harmony and goodwill towards mankind, governed by simple, commonly agreed rules but with no overarching political ambition of its own? How very interesting. Go set one up then because a union such as the one you described, is not on offer. In the European context, it simply does not exist. You have just described, very eloquently indeed, why the UK should not be a member of the EU.
Extract from B. Lane.
@danny archer oh good so you’re happy with that NI deal then!
@titus Oates . Sooo you’re surprised that in order to get something you need to pay… you’re surprised that when you sign a contract you abide to it? Ok….
Amazing content. The most informative source on the topic.
This Windsor title really winds me up. Oh yes we all love Chaz now
As UK citizen. Could I set up a company in NI to benefit from the EU single market? If not, why?
You cannot export uk products to the EU
Will Britain finally be ‘taking back control’ of it’s borders, as Boris advertised?
no not while labour who keeps calling us racist for wantiing to close the borders. they would take us back into the EU if they get elected when it was them who opened the door to brexit under blair but they will never admit this. they will always blame the tories
They already have. The problem is they're not doing anything with that control.
@@dannyarcher6370 they don’t need to.
@@maxdavis7722 What do you mean?
@@dannyarcher6370 “they’re not doing anything with that control” there hasn’t been much they needed to do with it so far since they left.
Also the EU’s goal is an “ever closer union” which the UK never wanted. By leaving they are avoiding that.
“Intensive discussions“ Reminds me Life of Brian, when the girl wants to go help Brian but needs others. When she asks them for help, they jump to action with “immediate discussion“.
I have the feeling this is the first step towards the unification of Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.
Another interesting tidbit I've only seen on some news articles is that only 300 EU rules/regulations apply in NI (of the 1700-ish before)
Yes it's actually 3% and that 3% is subject to the Stormont Brake which they need 30 MLA's from more than 1 party.
If it's on a UK supermarket shelf it can go to Northern Ireland gratis. If it's in a garden centre, likewise. VAT will be the same etc. Not 100% what the ERG wanted but next to nothing from it.
IF as stated NI has its sovereignty restored, WHY IS THERE A NEED FOR 300+EU REGULATIONS TO STILL APPLY TO A SOVEREIGN NATION ????? NO OTHER SOVERIEGN NATION WOULD ACCEPT A THIRD PARTY INTERFERRING IN ITS SOVERIEGN STATUS!!!
@@jamesbowskill362 wake up, it's the modern world. We are subject to I ternational law, wto rules who rules. And if we join cptpp politicians in Hanoi will be deciding what standard of goods uk should accept.
Grow up.
@@jamesbowskill362 those only apply when the sovereign nation sends its products to another nation. Is the eu supposed to take your products whether they want to or not?
Brexit will never be done until we eventually see the stupidity of our ways and re-join our biggest trading market thereby allowing our industries to grow again. Richie Sunak as much as admitted this yesterday in Northern Ireland.
2019 - Let's Get Brexshit Done - The Oven Ready Deal
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2031 - Let's Get Brexshit Done 4 - The Realignment
Everywhere the British go Chaos Results.
I had no idea NI was in such a mess with regards to trade. Crazy
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you've remind me of what someone once said "The mind is the man, the poor is in it and the rich is it too".
This sentence is the secret of most successful investors.
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I learnt from my last year's experience, i am able to build a suitable life because I in-vest-ed early ahead this time.
DUP would not accept being seen as the political party to hand over The 6 Counties to Sinn Fein and will therefore not accept any agreement which would require them to return to a Stormont Assembly in its current format.
pls hire a production manager, to fix colour on A roll and audio - happy to do it for a price lol
The pictures help so much.
It’s maybe not something that the general U.K. and EU public will grasp but this is a massive concession on the EU’s part.
I live right on the U.K. side of the border in Ireland and a massive part of our economy is shopping trade coming from the Republic. I would say it makes up a good 60-70% of the trade done in newry. A lot of the new green lane produce (including sausages) will end up in the Republic.
What the EU have done is created a blind spot in the single market. Very pragmatic and it shows that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
no this is not the deal
I grasped it. Hope you manage to keep the Lincolnshire Sausages to yourself. 😉
@@English_Dawn that’s the laugh of it. We don’t eat any of that English muck anyway.
@@fan2hd277 have i understood it wrong?
DUP should have their salaries stopped if they don't accept this agreement .
Can't see the DUP apart from moaning, doing much about it. The adults have cume into the room. If they boycott Stormont! Direct rule. The Conservatives don't partake in Northern Irish elections and the coming boundary changes in the Westminster constituencies should benefit the Conservatives.
Perhaps you could organize a Brilliant course in Spelling or how to use a spellcheck system, this might stop your consistently awful spelling errors like EXICISE
Bad negotiating by the EU, the only proper solution was to block NI out of the custom's union as long as they're part of the UK. The more the individual parts of the UK get annoyed by england's games, the easier to dismantle the UK
Didn't James o brien predict that they would rename the original plan and then pretend it was all shiny and new in order to move on. This is exactly it, almost word for word.
James o Brien , typical English socialist ...a privileged public schoolboy .
@@benitolazio8193 ok I get you probably don't like JOB. What do you think of the point made though?
Can we go in more depth about how the heck they're supposed to stop green lane trucks -- sorry, lorries -- from driving into Ireland without, you know, border checkpoints? Or red-lane-inspected ones from swapping to illegal cargo before crossing over?
Dumb American here just wondering why not return Northern Ireland to Ireland and not have to deal with all that?
They should have Walked away Told the EU to go and do one
Windsor/ Saxe-Coburg Gothe's framework
4:50 .. will only be used as a last resort.
DUP: where's the lever? Asking for a friend.
Imagine only being remembered as Borris Johnson's "successors"
great report and analysis like always :)
When I look at that picture above he seems to be saying," Here you are,Ma'am,it's all yours!"
Two points-
UK and EU will continue to have a relationship as indeed the UK did within the EU and that relationship will evolve and change. There is no big issue in revising that relationship at any time, and it will continue to be revised. There is no "done".
Most people in England (so most of the UK) really do not care. They know they threw NI under the bus with Brexit and are happy to do so. Sunak is putting his time and effort into a victory that the voters do not care about. There are far more pressing issues to deal with.
it does seem like Northern Ireland was always sort of an afterthought.
Living in NI I can tell you Lincolnshire sausages are not a staple, don't sell that one and have never been seen served in restaurants, we have plenty of skillful butchers here. This was nothing more than another unionist red herring.
Neither does your video mention that Brexit support is very much a minority view in NI, and this is represented by the minority DUP, who have frequently shared platforms and policy with UDA UVF narco terrorists along with the extremist TUV.
As long as the Stormont Brake has some real power when it's truly needed it's fine it it's rarely used given all the steps in it to make sure it isn't abused for trivial reasons as well as steps to try and reach a compromise before a veto.