marcop informed me that flareon runs roar over toxic, giving it a leg up over blissey against wish/sub cm jirachi and cm pass celebi. it's still a very tiny niche, but it's slightly more legitimate. go flareon :3
@@fulltimeslackerii8229 The only niche Typhlosion has in OU is that it has the same stats as Zard and has ThunderPunch. However it's not Ground/Spikes immune like Zard
“In old Advanced, Fighting types and Fire types were not considered very good.” Infernape in the next gen: I’m about to do what’s called a pro-gamer move. The Fire and Fighting types of Advanced: *Noted*
It's because it's not a metagame that's 15 years out of date, it's a metagame that's been developing for 15 years. Those are 2 very different things. Also, like another comment said, this is quite short for a BKC video (not hating, just a fact [also I wish it was longer tbh])
I really like these videos. OK I'm gonna put this thought here. From everything I've seen, Gen 3 looks like by far the most interesting singles meta. I can't put my finger on exactly why, but I think it's the effects of the lower power level. Unsplit attacking types force many pokemon to forgo STABs, and the relatively low base powers actually make coverage moves worth running, where in later gens obscenely strong STABS make coverage mostly irrelevant outside of immunities. Lower base powers also make boost stacking less effective, as the multipliers aren't as effective, which is another factor to push pokemon into using more unique attacking moves. There's no other Gen where competitive players are pushed to dig so deep to hone their Pokemon's movepools to the fullest. Focus Punch, Beat Up, Thief, both Booms, dry Baton Pass, Phazing on offensive mons, non-STAB Dragon Claw, non-STAB Double Edge, single-stage boosts like Howl, Sharpen and Meditate, Blast Burn? What other environment features those kinds of options considered to any extent at all? Few of these are meta staples, but they create a way more compelling meta than nearly every pokemon getting perfectly fitting attacks for both STABs and the choice of 1 or 2 optimal coverage moves alongside a move that let's you switch, a boosting move, recovery, hazards, or maybe substitute if you're feeling really fancy. Well that was fun at least, think I found it.
i really saw flareon at the beginning and waited the whole video being like "what's flareon doing here?? it has a niche????" to get told its bad and i'm still over here like "THAT'S MY BOY!"
it checks non-hp-water-zapdos nicely but unlike steelix, which does the same, it doesn't check snorlax. Still, it is better offensively so it might be worth considering in some playstyles. Would definitely be interesting to simply slap that thing into gen 2 and see what happens.
That would be great. I have little idea of BW but the tutorial videos for Rain and Dragmag are massively helpful, I now have 2 BW teams in my builder I sort of understand.
It’s actually useable in DPP OU as well. Not top tier by any means. But can threaten a lot of things with its coverage and burn from lava plume + gets up rocks.
I've tested Houndoom for a bit, and I found out, provided you're using a non-pursuit Tyranitar and not overextending Houndoom's capabilities, it's actually pretty good at what it does: a pursuit trapper that hard counters any Moltres lacking Toxic or SE coverage, roasts non specially defensive Metagross, blanks some Jirachi, checks Celebi really well, and revenge kills base 100 speed that don't hit 300 and have been weakened enough, like Salamence and Zapdos, so long as Houndoom is running Timid and 300 speed. People really should use it more, for it's prowess and viability are veritable.
If it uses flash fire it also blanks and traps will o wisp taunt Gengar and the rare Alakazam. It is unironically a great mon that facilitates a lot of fighting types
Listened to this today at work, very thorought stuff as usual, loved it bro! Keep them coming. A few additional notes: - UD's Blaziken might have been deserving of a mention (Sub/Reversal/Fire coverage +1), pretty devastating vs Sand-less builds and you still have Fire+Fight Stabs for all match-ups. And honestly that's pretty much it lol, you covered everything, as usual. Gave me a few ideas too!
just like porygon2, adv moltres rose from bl, which isn't a tier - if it was uu, it wouldn't have rose, as that would needlessly mess up adv uu. in a similar vein, raikou dropping to bl doesn't change anything, but it sure would mess up uu. dpp clef is in uu, and as such, moving it to ou would needlessly change the tier. hell, dugtrio is banned from ou, but it's still uu.
DPP is the first generation where actual usage statistics were used to generate Smogon tiers. With the first three generations, the tiers were always based on more subjective factors rather than cold hard numbers, so tweaks have been made to them. Here's an old policy review thread where Hogg shuts down an attempt at making OUBL tweaks like happened in older gens: www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dpp-ou-tiering-changes.3652654/
This video really cements my will to see you cover the entire BL list and rank them in a tier list of viability (rip Crobat in Advance ...... good double meaning here)
Tbf typhlosion is actually better than flareon, but that says more about how bad flareon is than how good typhlosion is idk why he added it here tbh he should have just had five mons
@@hattruck8607 celebi is good because of psychic typing and diverse movepool. Most grass mons don't have versatility like onion fairy. Only other viable grass is venasaur with SD, EQ, sludge bomb. Or a tanky variant.
Charizard just made it to OU! can we expect a video soon and on the duck's downfall? More generally, would love to hear your opinion on ADV BLs or UUs that have potential in OU play, that's always exciting to see the tier shifts
Hey BKC, loving your videos. Do you think that your next talk could be about building BW Sand? The videos about drag mag, rain, and even sun provided a lot of useful information for teambuilding, and it would be interesting to see how one goes about building a sand team.
Why does no one use Typhlosion ? Does Thunder Punch(and no electric weakness) not give it a niche over Zard despite a Ground weakness with all that that implies?
unlike blaziken, typhlosion is not offensively different enough from charizard to justify the spikes/eq/dugtrio weakness. tpunch is not that big a deal - blaziken also has it and very rarely uses it.
You also forgot one, Typhlosion, Sure it's pretty niche and hard to use but can be good if you use it right, At least there it had bit of viability in OU in 2 gens but power creep ended it's life there in OU never establishing a niche ever again, It languishes in the lower tiers, But at least there it's decent.
the problem with typhlosion is that you have not all that many reasons to use it if you can use charizard instead, which is not affected by spikes and immune to earthquake. Thunder Punch is nice, but you are not really breaking milotic with that either. And it doesn't do much more than HP-grass anyways. It slams gyara pretty hard tho. Other than that, it is pretty cool though. Especially in blaze
Where does Typhlosion sit in all of this? Surely it’s as useful as Flareon, it has the same stats as Charizard after all, and has a different learn set.
flareon has a small defensive niche that is at least unique. typhlosion is completely outclassed by charizard because of its weakness to earthquake, spikes and arena trap.
I love just watching and rewatching these vids during work. While I mostly play doubles these days (including the glorious mess that is gen 3 doubles) A lot of these older metagames are really fun and I love watching you cover them. I only REALLY started to dislike singles come gen 7 (Current Gen OU also sucks but I enjoyed gen 6 throughout most of it's lifespan).
dude can i just say that your channel is so sick. i always played vgc since dpp and just dabbled in ou here and there over the years but i’m really getting into adv ou and your encyclopedia of knowledge is really insane and so helpful since getting into such a refined meta is a bit daunting.
Why not just give Camerupt endure and salac berry? I think that has potential. It would let it have more freedom to pick and choose when it explodes, ideally on a water type. (EQ, fire blast, explosion, endure)
still outsped by a lot of things even at +1. But yes, camerupt does have potential. Its just pretty dang hard to make it work, but when it works, its beautiful.
it is possible to not pick treecko in gen 3? :p -don't @ me, I simply like treecko, also it's one of the few grass starters that actually are good, especially in ORAS if you go full physical with swords dance-
25:50 could you then, hypothetically Rename your Teammates to all have names that aren't the actual pokemon and name them prepare for one threat but there us an entirely different threat on the way?
Not having focus sashes really sucked. They removed being able to put 252 Evs in all stats so now things die a lot easier. Especially houndoom. A boop on the nose will kill a houndoom.
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marcop informed me that flareon runs roar over toxic, giving it a leg up over blissey against wish/sub cm jirachi and cm pass celebi. it's still a very tiny niche, but it's slightly more legitimate. go flareon :3
ok man
Hell yeah!!!!
More than typhlosion?
@@fulltimeslackerii8229 The only niche Typhlosion has in OU is that it has the same stats as Zard and has ThunderPunch. However it's not Ground/Spikes immune like Zard
:3
he’s back
ZARD NOW OUUU DRUM ALL THE WAYYY
As an average Arcanine enjoyer, seeing Flareon over Arcanine in this video really hurts
“In old Advanced, Fighting types and Fire types were not considered very good.”
Infernape in the next gen: I’m about to do what’s called a pro-gamer move.
The Fire and Fighting types of Advanced: *Noted*
f in the chat for current dpp infernape
@@alis6581 I mean, at least it is still better than electivire
but yeah .... F
Now I see it. The Fire and Fighting videos were an excuse to talk about Blaziken.
BKC = Blaze Kicking Chicken
BlahZkin
I have to be honnest, I don't play adv, I just love listening to you explaining things I don't even need lmao
just play it. ull get destroyed by pros that use standard tss at the start but it's worth it
play advance. Once you get past the "getting destroyed by the same TSS semi-stall team over and over again" barrier, its a great metagame.
How can you talk for one hour about one type in a 15 year old Metagame? That's why you're the best poketuber
Honestly, this is pretty brief.
@@someeggplant how?
6 pokemon in an hour is pretty fast for bkc.
It's because it's not a metagame that's 15 years out of date, it's a metagame that's been developing for 15 years. Those are 2 very different things. Also, like another comment said, this is quite short for a BKC video (not hating, just a fact [also I wish it was longer tbh])
I'm pretty sure he has a 3 hour vid about 1 poke so this is nothin lol
Camerupt is literally" What if a mon completely stuffs half the meta but sucks in literally every other regard". He's like the Quagsire of this gen
this
-and yes, this is a meme reference-
Reject fast-paced analisys lacking details, embrace bkc's hour long analisys covering every aspect of the subject.
I really like these videos.
OK I'm gonna put this thought here. From everything I've seen, Gen 3 looks like by far the most interesting singles meta. I can't put my finger on exactly why, but I think it's the effects of the lower power level. Unsplit attacking types force many pokemon to forgo STABs, and the relatively low base powers actually make coverage moves worth running, where in later gens obscenely strong STABS make coverage mostly irrelevant outside of immunities. Lower base powers also make boost stacking less effective, as the multipliers aren't as effective, which is another factor to push pokemon into using more unique attacking moves. There's no other Gen where competitive players are pushed to dig so deep to hone their Pokemon's movepools to the fullest. Focus Punch, Beat Up, Thief, both Booms, dry Baton Pass, Phazing on offensive mons, non-STAB Dragon Claw, non-STAB Double Edge, single-stage boosts like Howl, Sharpen and Meditate, Blast Burn? What other environment features those kinds of options considered to any extent at all? Few of these are meta staples, but they create a way more compelling meta than nearly every pokemon getting perfectly fitting attacks for both STABs and the choice of 1 or 2 optimal coverage moves alongside a move that let's you switch, a boosting move, recovery, hazards, or maybe substitute if you're feeling really fancy.
Well that was fun at least, think I found it.
Great way of putting it
@Nauts You still can, people just dont
i really saw flareon at the beginning and waited the whole video being like "what's flareon doing here?? it has a niche????" to get told its bad and i'm still over here like "THAT'S MY BOY!"
the fluffiest of eeveelutions
It's good in the best ADV tier though :)
if camerupt was in gsc it would be a top tier threat change my mind
it checks non-hp-water-zapdos nicely but unlike steelix, which does the same, it doesn't check snorlax. Still, it is better offensively so it might be worth considering in some playstyles. Would definitely be interesting to simply slap that thing into gen 2 and see what happens.
I hope BKC would make a building bw ou sand team. I really enjoyed that rain one
That would be great. I have little idea of BW but the tutorial videos for Rain and Dragmag are massively helpful, I now have 2 BW teams in my builder I sort of understand.
@@catandfishfc You can join his Discord and he gives a lot of advice there. There are also a lot of resources on Smogon Forums.
@@catandfishfc True, but sand is much less formulaic than rain and dragmag. Might have to split a sand guide into multiple videos.
Sand isn't really restrictive.As long as you kinda know what you're doing
Low key beat up strat dont give nicknames to anyone but your aero in the back who you call starmie
I wish camerupt was much better, he's easily my favorite of the fire types ;~;
give it 125 sp atk and 120 atk it would be sooooooo good ;~;
@@howaboutsomecorn8592 most pokemon would be good with those stats. Gf can't just give those kinds of buff randomly.
It’s actually useable in DPP OU as well. Not top tier by any means. But can threaten a lot of things with its coverage and burn from lava plume + gets up rocks.
I've tested Houndoom for a bit, and I found out, provided you're using a non-pursuit Tyranitar and not overextending Houndoom's capabilities, it's actually pretty good at what it does: a pursuit trapper that hard counters any Moltres lacking Toxic or SE coverage, roasts non specially defensive Metagross, blanks some Jirachi, checks Celebi really well, and revenge kills base 100 speed that don't hit 300 and have been weakened enough, like Salamence and Zapdos, so long as Houndoom is running Timid and 300 speed. People really should use it more, for it's prowess and viability are veritable.
If it uses flash fire it also blanks and traps will o wisp taunt Gengar and the rare Alakazam. It is unironically a great mon that facilitates a lot of fighting types
Honestly, gengar has been booming a lot on my houndoom, which is a fair trade but I want it to do more sometimes
it can also beat up blissey really hard. (this both is and isn't a pun at the same time and no, I am not sorry)
@@g3neralrevan27 protect might be worth experimenting with considering how forced that explosion can be on gengar
@@g3neralrevan27That's the deal with using Houndoom. 3/4 times you're losing it to Gengar.
One time I used a defensive moltres which could survive t bolt from zapdos, I used to bulk to spread willo wisp and to stack up spikes chip damage
Listened to this today at work, very thorought stuff as usual, loved it bro! Keep them coming.
A few additional notes:
- UD's Blaziken might have been deserving of a mention (Sub/Reversal/Fire coverage +1), pretty devastating vs Sand-less builds and you still have Fire+Fight Stabs for all match-ups.
And honestly that's pretty much it lol, you covered everything, as usual. Gave me a few ideas too!
Water types will be a good one to do at some point, which were already covered by Bulky Water video but I want a follow up to #LanternGang
I feel bad for Entei :(
He still doesn't get EQ 😭
Yeah idk why they made entei so bad lol
Yep
I've really been waiting for a new BKC video and I actually really needed help with ADV fire types since I just strated playing the tier l.
Why was gen 4 ou frozen when the generation ended but gen 3 wasn’t? Why can things like moltres still rise in gen 3 but clefable is stuck in gen 4 uu?
just like porygon2, adv moltres rose from bl, which isn't a tier - if it was uu, it wouldn't have rose, as that would needlessly mess up adv uu. in a similar vein, raikou dropping to bl doesn't change anything, but it sure would mess up uu. dpp clef is in uu, and as such, moving it to ou would needlessly change the tier. hell, dugtrio is banned from ou, but it's still uu.
DPP is the first generation where actual usage statistics were used to generate Smogon tiers. With the first three generations, the tiers were always based on more subjective factors rather than cold hard numbers, so tweaks have been made to them.
Here's an old policy review thread where Hogg shuts down an attempt at making OUBL tweaks like happened in older gens: www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dpp-ou-tiering-changes.3652654/
This video really cements my will to see you cover the entire BL list and rank them in a tier list of viability (rip Crobat in Advance ...... good double meaning here)
Only 1 hour bkc vid smh
Didnt even need to watch twice to remember most its content
Would you ever consider doing a video on why gen 3 UUBL is so big and why it isn’t its own tier/thrown into UU?
People have been asking for this more and more in recent weeks.
Thanks for the mono fire team, can't wait to win a tour with this!
guys i dont think bkc likes jolly heracross very much
It’s a shame that Camerupt can’t be as good as it could be.
I got 6-0'd by sub CM Entei once lol. 101 subs is a nice trait
Typhlosion was kind of interesting in ADV, even though it was in UUBL. It had a legitimate niche in OU that was only overshadowed by Charizard.
Quick thing, beat up actually deals untyped damage, which is physical and that's why it hurts blissey.
poor typhlosion, not getting a slot over flareon
Gamefreak shafted Typhlosion so hard by copying Charizard's stats. Doomed it to being forever worse.
@@someeggplant say that to my specs eruption typhlosion that I used to completely and utterly destroy pokemon battle revolution :p
Tbf typhlosion is actually better than flareon, but that says more about how bad flareon is than how good typhlosion is idk why he added it here tbh he should have just had five mons
We got bulky waters, now adv fires. Whens grass type vid lmao
Grass sucks. Suicune beats almost every grass type, bar scope lens Sceptile. Best stab has 5 pp? Hows that supposed to last an entire game?
@@donlyphans7801 tell that to Celebi
@@hattruck8607 celebi is good because of psychic typing and diverse movepool. Most grass mons don't have versatility like onion fairy. Only other viable grass is venasaur with SD, EQ, sludge bomb. Or a tanky variant.
@@joemomma2218 Yeah
Nap time with BKC talking about old fire types :)
Moltres' sprite was so beautiful back then, now it looks ridiculous in 3d
Gen 2 has the best sprite appearances
Charizard just made it to OU! can we expect a video soon and on the duck's downfall?
More generally, would love to hear your opinion on ADV BLs or UUs that have potential in OU play, that's always exciting to see the tier shifts
Funny you mention them not learning Solarbeam, for a while from gen 4 to 7 Flareon was the only fully-evolved Fire type who didn't learn it.
also, entei, houndoom, ho-oh and rapidash got it before it became cool in gen 4 (rapidash didn't get beam in gen 1/2 interestingly)
What about Entei wahhh
You love to see it ; with all the fire type ADV hype I've heard around some of those pokes, i was really keen to learn more.
27:00
Don't mind me, just putting timestamps for myself.
starting the day with a new BKC video? nice
“Blaziken.. fire fighting.. unique combination”
Oh context..
Thank you bk chicken for content
Can you make this a series? Talking about the best Pokémon of every type in OU?
Hey BKC, loving your videos. Do you think that your next talk could be about building BW Sand? The videos about drag mag, rain, and even sun provided a lot of useful information for teambuilding, and it would be interesting to see how one goes about building a sand team.
This video is lit
Why does no one use Typhlosion ? Does Thunder Punch(and no electric weakness) not give it a niche over Zard despite a Ground weakness with all that that implies?
unlike blaziken, typhlosion is not offensively different enough from charizard to justify the spikes/eq/dugtrio weakness. tpunch is not that big a deal - blaziken also has it and very rarely uses it.
@@BKCplaysPokemon Makes sense,thanks for the info
I support this channel
Still need the beat up video!
You also forgot one, Typhlosion, Sure it's pretty niche and hard to use but can be good if you use it right, At least there it had bit of viability in OU in 2 gens but power creep ended it's life there in OU never establishing a niche ever again, It languishes in the lower tiers, But at least there it's decent.
the problem with typhlosion is that you have not all that many reasons to use it if you can use charizard instead, which is not affected by spikes and immune to earthquake. Thunder Punch is nice, but you are not really breaking milotic with that either. And it doesn't do much more than HP-grass anyways. It slams gyara pretty hard tho.
Other than that, it is pretty cool though. Especially in blaze
@@IschmarVI and honestly, What I have to say about Typhlosion is it isn't bad but honestly not great
*Sees Flareon in the teambuilder*
WHAT THE FLYING FUCK IS THAT DOING THERE?!?!!
listenin to BKC monologue about fire types in a metagame more than half my age at 5am
Where does Typhlosion sit in all of this? Surely it’s as useful as Flareon, it has the same stats as Charizard after all, and has a different learn set.
flareon has a small defensive niche that is at least unique. typhlosion is completely outclassed by charizard because of its weakness to earthquake, spikes and arena trap.
Ahh Arena Trap, yes. Lil ol’ Diglett can maim it. I guess Thunderpunch isn’t enough to differentiate it 😂 thank you
Next video:
The Power of Pursuit Part 2: Why Ghosts are so prominent in Gen 8
Fire Type Gaming
Yes
Yes
All of y'all are here huh
@@fryingpotatoes5880 yes
@@BeeEmpress dugtrio gaming
YESSSSSSS!!!!
Dont let TheAsianCp3 see this
You are the best BKC!
I nearly Screamed when I saw Flareon at the back end
You should do a video recommending teams on every gen, I play oras and I would love to see you recommending some nice mons and sets
Sold me on houndoom it sounds so fun to mess around with
Make BKC a superstar!
Damn RIP Typhlosion
I wake up to BKC uploading a video. How amazing!
I’m a simple man. I see “OU” in the title and camerupt in the thumbnail and I’m simply unable to prevent myself from clicking lmaooo
I love just watching and rewatching these vids during work. While I mostly play doubles these days (including the glorious mess that is gen 3 doubles) A lot of these older metagames are really fun and I love watching you cover them. I only REALLY started to dislike singles come gen 7 (Current Gen OU also sucks but I enjoyed gen 6 throughout most of it's lifespan).
dude can i just say that your channel is so sick. i always played vgc since dpp and just dabbled in ou here and there over the years but i’m really getting into adv ou and your encyclopedia of knowledge is really insane and so helpful since getting into such a refined meta is a bit daunting.
Now do Flying types!
Well there hasn't really been an increase in the usages of Flying types
Man I miss these breakdowns!!! Easily my favorite vids on TH-cam!!
I SAW THE NOTIF FOR THIS WHEN I WOKE UP AND GENUINELY DID THE POG FACE IRL THANK U BKC !!!
Another cool thing about Charcoal Blaziken is that it helps Blaziken beat Charizard in a 1v1
Interesting how 4 of these have megas and the other got a regional form.
38:10 Unique
Why not just give Camerupt endure and salac berry? I think that has potential. It would let it have more freedom to pick and choose when it explodes, ideally on a water type. (EQ, fire blast, explosion, endure)
still outsped by a lot of things even at +1. But yes, camerupt does have potential. Its just pretty dang hard to make it work, but when it works, its beautiful.
35:11 ayy a swans fan, nice
Hmmm, chicken
Charizard is OU now :O
really like your breakdown of Camerupt, one of my favorite mons whenever you didn't pick Blaziken as a starter in gen 3
it is possible to not pick treecko in gen 3? :p
-don't @ me, I simply like treecko, also it's one of the few grass starters that actually are good, especially in ORAS if you go full physical with swords dance-
All 5 of them??
Uuh, I see a Flareon in there :)
dad's back home
this video is pretty heat
A GREAT WAY TO START THE DAY
ok
GAMING!
I got destroyed by charizard once in ADV when I was using a generic big 5 team and it like destroyed my confidence lol
Poor Typhlosion, even tho its BL
I can’t go back to bed mom, BKC uploaded!
The enthusiasm around 31:10 is too pure for this world
nice
25:50 could you then, hypothetically Rename your Teammates to all have names that aren't the actual pokemon and name them prepare for one threat but there us an entirely different threat on the way?
Not having focus sashes really sucked. They removed being able to put 252 Evs in all stats so now things die a lot easier. Especially houndoom. A boop on the nose will kill a houndoom.
Needed something to listen to at work. Perfect timing champ
Shout out BigYellow
Substitute is the Standard. Beat Up is redundant with Focus Punch.