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Raynox also makes the DCR-150 which is a 4.8 dioptre close-up instead of the 8 dioptres of the DCR-250, and is about the same as the Nisi in strength. It's more or less identical in dimensions to the DCR-250. You could buy both and have quite a bit of change left over from the Nisi. However, large diameter close-up lenses like the Nisi do have big advantages. With the clip on Raynox holder it will only clip on lenses up to 67mm filter thread. Although you can use stepping rings, either on the filter itself (it has a conventional 43mm filter thread at the back and a 49mm filter thread on the front) or to get the lens filter thread to 67mm or less. But then there is the problem with vignetting. The Raynox lenses don't cause vignetting on the 72mm front thread Sigma 150mm macro on APS-C. After years of using various close-up lenses, with the good quality multi-element achromats like the Raynox lenses, the biggest determinate of image quality tends to be the lens it is attached to, not the close-up lens itself. So if the main lens is free of CA, then it should be okay, but if it suffers from CA etc, then the close-up lens may exaggerate this, but it won't induce it. I found out one very important factor with close up lenses that all macro photographers need to be aware of. Essentially, you may need to stop down the lens much more than usual to get the same depth of field you'd get with an equivalent macro lens, typically by up to 2 stops. As people may be aware close-up lenses produce no light loss, and a typical macro lens has an effective f-stop of 2 stops smaller than the one indicated at 1:1 (confusingly Nikon factors this in with the digital display, but other camera manufacturers don't - so f11 on a macro lens at 1:1 on a Nikon is the same as f5.6 on a Canon and most other cameras). If you put a Raynox DCR-250mm on a 100mm macro lens it will go nearly to 1:1 with the lens focused at infinity. However, because the lens is focused at infinity the aperture will be the one indicated. So if the indicated aperture is f8, that is what it will actually be. Whereas if you focused the lens to 1:1 without the DCR-250 (on all but Nikon) the effective aperture would be f16 not the f8 indicated on the camera. This effective aperture as regards to the nominal aperture varies depending on magnification. So at half life-size it is only one stop smaller. But generally, when using a DCR-250 on a macro lens for more magnification, you need to stop down by about 2 stops on the indicated aperture to get the same DoF you are used to at this aperture. Of course you don't have to stop down more, just be aware you will get less DoF than you might be expecting.
Hi Micael, Did you check the quality of the pictures? Do they have any negative effects? Have you considered trying to compare a combo of Laowa 100 2x + Raynox vs Laowa 25 5x? They should have around the same magnification...
Have you measured the focal length of this attachment? I've always wanted to buy one to see if it works well as a tube lens but it is quite expensive, too expensive for an experiment. Thanks!
In Australia today the NISI is only $40 more than Raynox, so price-wise is a no-brainer for NISI, provided you have at least a 70-200mm telephoto lens. Was thinking of raynox until they only have 49mm as their front element, which is heavily vignetted.
I am looking forward to the release of the new Laowa MFT macro lens, where I will definitely use the Panasonic G9. But who knows, I might buy an Olympus 60mm macro lens before that, and make a video about the combination. What I do love so far with the G9 is the absolutely stellar viewfinder, and super great focus peaking, not to mention the awesome grip. The G9 is definitely the best MFT camera i have tried yet.
Thank you for the comparison ! As I said when you announced you were going to test it I was really looking forward to that as I did not know which one to buy to do macro when travelling. Answer is definitely the Raynox then but do you know at what magnification you start to have the heavy vigneting? Thanks again
Many thanks for the review Micael - This looks closer to the Raynox 150 .... similar magnification. I assume it has a limited range of focus .... much like using extension tubes?
Thanks for showing the comparison. I have a Panasonic G9 with a 14-140 lens; would this be telescopic enough for the Nisi? Also I'm considering getting serious with macro and at present I've hired the Olympus 60mm macro lens for six months. I'm also looking at the Panasonic 30mm, or 45mm; can you offer advise in my selection? Hope you can help. Mike in Oz
Hello, I already own the Raynox 250 and I’d like to buy the NIsi macro lens to combine with my Sony 100-400; I’d use the this latter combo for shooting insects, like dragonflies, where you can’t get too close to your subject, while I’d keep the Raynox to use, sometimes, with the macro Sony 90mm when the subjects are still, e.g. butterflies in early mornings at the end of September and October. Is it worth buying? Thanks, Fabrizio
I got the Raynox 250 and tried it in my 105mm HSM OS Sigma 1:1 lens. Not really impressed. Do you believe I can get better results with a 60mm 2:1 Laowa on my 70D? Have you ever tested a cheap Chinese no brand 60mm 2:1 lens? I am not sure where I am going but I also ordered a reverse adapter for my Zuikon OM lenses.
Bro, I just want to point something, some CloseUp lenses are thinked to work properly with Prime lenses not with Zoom lenses, coz it can provoque aberration problems as I can see in you samples, I recomend you to make a test with Prime lenses with the NiSi on 85, 100 and 135 MMs lenses and see what happen. In the other hand, the Raynox optic quality is famous than can work well with Zooms.
Thank you for the review. Would be newt to see what it looks like ok a 100mm 1:1 macro haha would it just make it a 2:1 or would it get strange results
Hi... How about auto focusing with Nisi filters. I use canon 70-300mm USM ii lens for photographing birds and butterflies... But for butterflies and dragonflies it is not a good lens cause it does not focus too close... I was thinking to buy Nisi for that reason...
Tnx for sharing. Maybe have a go with the equivalent Canon magnifying lens. Also what about spacing tubes/rings vs the Raynox 250? I'm basically trying to figure ways of avoiding having to carry an extra lens just for macro as I do not do it that often. After posting this comment I did a bot of search and found this th-cam.com/video/mYRZsmsI5Ec/w-d-xo.html which makes the said comparison. I have no connection to the creator; I just thought it may help people.
great review! made me buy this nisi filter! wish you put a amazon affiliate link so you could get a nice kickback for your work! thanks for your work and time
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- Camera: amzn.to/2CAFpzd
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- Flash - Meike MK-300 (get the updated version 320 here: amzn.to/2A8064A)
- Raynox DCR-250 closeup lens: amzn.to/2BfhYLv
- NISI 77mm closeup lens: en.nisioptics.com/nisi-close-up-lens-kit-macro-photography
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Raynox also makes the DCR-150 which is a 4.8 dioptre close-up instead of the 8 dioptres of the DCR-250, and is about the same as the Nisi in strength. It's more or less identical in dimensions to the DCR-250. You could buy both and have quite a bit of change left over from the Nisi. However, large diameter close-up lenses like the Nisi do have big advantages. With the clip on Raynox holder it will only clip on lenses up to 67mm filter thread. Although you can use stepping rings, either on the filter itself (it has a conventional 43mm filter thread at the back and a 49mm filter thread on the front) or to get the lens filter thread to 67mm or less. But then there is the problem with vignetting. The Raynox lenses don't cause vignetting on the 72mm front thread Sigma 150mm macro on APS-C.
After years of using various close-up lenses, with the good quality multi-element achromats like the Raynox lenses, the biggest determinate of image quality tends to be the lens it is attached to, not the close-up lens itself. So if the main lens is free of CA, then it should be okay, but if it suffers from CA etc, then the close-up lens may exaggerate this, but it won't induce it.
I found out one very important factor with close up lenses that all macro photographers need to be aware of. Essentially, you may need to stop down the lens much more than usual to get the same depth of field you'd get with an equivalent macro lens, typically by up to 2 stops. As people may be aware close-up lenses produce no light loss, and a typical macro lens has an effective f-stop of 2 stops smaller than the one indicated at 1:1 (confusingly Nikon factors this in with the digital display, but other camera manufacturers don't - so f11 on a macro lens at 1:1 on a Nikon is the same as f5.6 on a Canon and most other cameras). If you put a Raynox DCR-250mm on a 100mm macro lens it will go nearly to 1:1 with the lens focused at infinity. However, because the lens is focused at infinity the aperture will be the one indicated. So if the indicated aperture is f8, that is what it will actually be. Whereas if you focused the lens to 1:1 without the DCR-250 (on all but Nikon) the effective aperture would be f16 not the f8 indicated on the camera. This effective aperture as regards to the nominal aperture varies depending on magnification. So at half life-size it is only one stop smaller. But generally, when using a DCR-250 on a macro lens for more magnification, you need to stop down by about 2 stops on the indicated aperture to get the same DoF you are used to at this aperture. Of course you don't have to stop down more, just be aware you will get less DoF than you might be expecting.
I have been using the raynox dcr 250. It's a great tool.. took some great macro shots of insect and bugs.. opened a whole new world for me...
No glass can beat raynox250 for macro, 77mm can be a fun lens can't be use for serious macro work
Hi Micael,
Did you check the quality of the pictures? Do they have any negative effects? Have you considered trying to compare a combo of Laowa 100 2x + Raynox vs Laowa 25 5x? They should have around the same magnification...
I love macro photography
Bra jobbat!
Ha en fin sommar!
Nice video! How many dpt does this achromat have? Or did I miss it? Have you ever filmed with this lens?
Have you measured the focal length of this attachment? I've always wanted to buy one to see if it works well as a tube lens but it is quite expensive, too expensive for an experiment. Thanks!
In Australia today the NISI is only $40 more than Raynox, so price-wise is a no-brainer for NISI, provided you have at least a 70-200mm telephoto lens. Was thinking of raynox until they only have 49mm as their front element, which is heavily vignetted.
Hope one day you’ll do a review of your Panasonic G9 in macro photography.
I am looking forward to the release of the new Laowa MFT macro lens, where I will definitely use the Panasonic G9. But who knows, I might buy an Olympus 60mm macro lens before that, and make a video about the combination. What I do love so far with the G9 is the absolutely stellar viewfinder, and super great focus peaking, not to mention the awesome grip. The G9 is definitely the best MFT camera i have tried yet.
Thank you for the comparison ! As I said when you announced you were going to test it I was really looking forward to that as I did not know which one to buy to do macro when travelling. Answer is definitely the Raynox then but do you know at what magnification you start to have the heavy vigneting? Thanks again
You do not get the vignette at full magnification.
Many thanks for the review Micael - This looks closer to the Raynox 150 .... similar magnification. I assume it has a limited range of focus .... much like using extension tubes?
Yes the focus range will be limited by your focal length range of the underlying lens.
This is incredible!
Thanks for showing the comparison. I have a Panasonic G9 with a 14-140 lens; would this be telescopic enough for the Nisi? Also I'm considering getting serious with macro and at present I've hired the Olympus 60mm macro lens for six months. I'm also looking at the Panasonic 30mm, or 45mm; can you offer advise in my selection? Hope you can help.
Mike in Oz
wait for laowa 50mm MFT
Excellent video, thank you ,I take my hat off to you💎
Hello, I already own the Raynox 250 and I’d like to buy the NIsi macro lens to combine with my Sony 100-400;
I’d use the this latter combo for shooting insects, like dragonflies, where you can’t get too close to your subject, while I’d keep the Raynox to use, sometimes, with the macro Sony 90mm when the subjects are still, e.g. butterflies in early mornings at the end of September and October.
Is it worth buying?
Thanks, Fabrizio
Yes I think that sounds like a good use case. A long focal length lens where you need a long working distance - that is where the NISI works best!
Micael Widell ok, thank you
I got the Raynox 250 and tried it in my 105mm HSM OS Sigma 1:1 lens. Not really impressed.
Do you believe I can get better results with a 60mm 2:1 Laowa on my 70D? Have you ever tested a cheap Chinese no brand 60mm 2:1 lens?
I am not sure where I am going but I also ordered a reverse adapter for my Zuikon OM lenses.
I'm not a big fan of closeup lenses. Just buy a proper macro lens if you want more magnification. I did not test the pirated fake Laowa lenses.
@@MicaelWidell I already have the 105mm Sigma Makro lens. So you recommend the Laowa 2:1?
@@MicaelWidell don't know of it is a pirated lens. The 60mm 2:1 is sold under the Dörr brand here.
Mft is great for macro. Raynox and Nissin are both interesting. What would be best for the Oly 60mm 2.8 Makro in combination? An Idea?
I preferred Raynox, but that doesn't fit the 60mm macro!
@@01Loes With a stepdown ring, it should...
Bro, I just want to point something, some CloseUp lenses are thinked to work properly with Prime lenses not with Zoom lenses, coz it can provoque aberration problems as I can see in you samples, I recomend you to make a test with Prime lenses with the NiSi on 85, 100 and 135 MMs lenses and see what happen. In the other hand, the Raynox optic quality is famous than can work well with Zooms.
Thank you for the review. Would be newt to see what it looks like ok a 100mm 1:1 macro haha would it just make it a 2:1 or would it get strange results
Thanx, nice content are there filters with nisi quality but 10x? Does anyone knows it please? Thanx, Max
No. If you want that kind of magnification you have to use a microscope lens or a ton of extension tubes.
Question; can the Raynox DCR-250 be used with a 100mm macro lens?
Yes, it is pretty common that people do that
@@MicaelWidell Thanks
Hello
am i going to get a 24mm wide angle macro with nisi? sony 24-105 f4 lens.
Je fais des portraits de fleurs
hu, This it will fit on laowa 100mm ?
You might need a step down ring. But yes it should work
Hi, Yes it's work i buy nisi 77mm, But which one more zoom 77mm or 49mm ?@@MicaelWidell
Hi... How about auto focusing with Nisi filters.
I use canon 70-300mm USM ii lens for photographing birds and butterflies... But for butterflies and dragonflies it is not a good lens cause it does not focus too close... I was thinking to buy Nisi for that reason...
Hmm didn't cross my mind to actually try that. Should work, but I cannot promise.
What happens when you use both the nisi and raynox? :)
Lots of magnification I guess
🙏
Tnx for sharing. Maybe have a go with the equivalent Canon magnifying lens. Also what about spacing tubes/rings vs the Raynox 250? I'm basically trying to figure ways of avoiding having to carry an extra lens just for macro as I do not do it that often. After posting this comment I did a bot of search and found this th-cam.com/video/mYRZsmsI5Ec/w-d-xo.html which makes the said comparison. I have no connection to the creator; I just thought it may help people.
Unnecessary annoying music.
great review! made me buy this nisi filter! wish you put a amazon affiliate link so you could get a nice kickback for your work! thanks for your work and time