And he doesn't feel the need to attack anyone that says porsche around this tank like others. Not getting caught up in these crazy modern times takes a strong and classy base
Thank you for posting !. Although most of the part has been lost as a target, so happy to know there are some track links left behind somewhere in Sweden. Because the Kgs73 single link track links are very rare and not many of them does survive today. Can't wait to watch part 2 of this !.😄
If you read the diarys of German Tank Commanders, the only vehicle they hads to tow them was...another Tiger. So most of the time was spent using your two working Tigers to go collect the three that broke down or got stuck the day before. Tedious.
@@HaVoC117X Just telling what the guys who were there stated in their memoirs. Often the only vehicle to hand to tow a Tiger was another Tiger. By 1944 options were limited. It was a huge mistake in tank procurement and development strategy.
@@jabezhane That's a myth. Germany had between 600 and 800 Sdkfz 9 Famos heavy 18 ton halftracks with a pulling capacity of 28 to 35 tons operational through out the war. Which were mainly used as recovery and maintenance vehicles. Two of them can easily tow a Tiger, maybe three if terrain was difficult or the tank stug in gear. Germany had never more than 6000 tanks operational at one time. Even in the worst situation that makes 1 Famo for 10 ten tanks. Add Bergepanthers, Beutepanzer (like T34s) and other german tanks converted to the recovery roll. Of the 150 Panthers lost at Kursk, 86 ended up in field repair shops and 16 were send back to the industry. 75% of the Panther lost were recovered. This is not a bad number. After the first month of operation it was even forbidden to use another operational Tiger for recovery, it's even written in the Tigerfibel (quick start handbook). These events were Tigers were used to recover Tigers are rare and not the norm.
@@HaVoC117X Yeah and if they worked like their tanks then half of them would have been destroyed by 1945 and the other half would be needing repair or broken down. Nature of the beast. Do you think handbooks meant anything to German troops by October 1944?
Some years ago, as a Dane, I visited the German Panzer Museum in Munster, as also the Dora V2 Factory in the mountain. I would love to visit Bovington Tank Museum as also You in Sweden, but as now 75 I doubt it will be in my lifetime.
I hope this tank returns to Bovington before too long, I have a photo of me sitting on it back in 1968 on my eighth birthday and would love to see it again!
19:35 The loading gage is called "Lichtraumprofil" in german , there were Problems even with modern Tanks, to stay inside the Norm of the Lichtraumprofil Chieftains had to be prepared for Railtransport by removing the Searchlightbox ( from the Turretside) and store it onto the enginedeck.
You should get in touch with the guys in Switzerland who are completely restoring a King Tiger to full working order, they're doing an incredible job btw
Love the details. While breaking track and putting it back on might be "easy" using a rope around the sprocket, having been in the drivers hatch trying to hold down the brake for so long was the absolute worst experience I had doing maintenance.
There is one (I have been and watched closely) in La Gleize - Belgium, the Ardennes, and it is the Royal Tiger. His story is described in this museum. Its vastness and armor resistance still fascinate, despite the bad memories of us Poles.
It was definitely worth the visit and was amazing to see, too bad Sweden used theirs for targetpractice. Is interesting MBTs now have the weight of heavy tanks.
I needed to watch this video after seeing this tank in the background of the Marder II video. I had heard the explanation of the tank's development history before, and I just wanted to confirm that this was the limited run turret and not the series turret.
I read some years ago that the British railway loading gauge is practically the same as the New Zealand railway loading gauge despite our (NZ) track gauge being 3’6”, also known as Cape (of Good Hope) gauge. This is because, with the notable exception of the original Great Western lines, British rail infrastructure was designed for early standard gauge rolling stock. I also understand that German main line steam locomotives had folding tops to their chimneys, for use in France.
You are referring to the Simmering-Graz-Pauker Sla 16, a supercharged 16 cylinder air-cooled diesel engine that was supposed to provide up to 1500hp and fit in the same engine bay as the Maybach HL230. It never reached mass production before the war's end.
the porsche tiger had an electric final drive which had faults the day of proving concept so the Henschel design won the contract to Porsche was advanced technology which is underappreciated today
I've often wondered how many Tiger I and IIs would have been used against the invasion in 1944 if Hitler had not used up so many on the Eastern front. Yes, the deception regarding Pas De Calais helped, but another key reason the allies were able to establish the beachhead and fight its way into the bocage is due to the German military's inability to deploy effective units along all sectors. Rommel stated that his intention was to stop the invasion at the beaches because he knew air power would hinder a defense inland. If Rommel had available to him the armored divisions I'm sure he desired, what would have happened? When Germany attacked Russia in Barbarossa, it deployed 19 armored divisions. Most of those were chewed up by that failed invasion. Now imagine if just 10 additoinal German armored divisions deployed behind the invasion beaches.
I wonder to what degree freezing mud was a problem given that it could be cracked by moving the tank before it was fully hardened. Or by using a sledgehammer or just hose it away.
@Herbert Ackermans As the mud freezes, it can be removed or later cracked with a sledgehammer. The tanks would be running their engines at intervals to avoid the oil freezing. Before the mud hardens it can be easily cracked.
I personally witnessed an M60A3 that became immobilized because mud had frozen solid between the road wheels. The crew neglected to chip away the mud. It took an M88 to pull the vehicle so it could break loose.
did he say the british put these tracks on this tank? is he really right? I thought the germans did that? would that be why the tracks are the wrong way round compared to all other pictures of king tigers with these tracks that i could find? basically this track is unique in that it has different links for the right and left track. and the links are pointing in the other direction on all pics of ww2 tigers, except for this one tiger. So if i was building a model of a king tiger in a battle i wouldnt mount the tracks like they are on this real example. i mean the tracks would work fine, i just cant find any evidence that they ever had them mounted like that in service.
@@stefankarlsson9762 yeah you're right. I wonder if theres still a picture of the tank that the brits took these tracks from? if these tracks really are mounted like this just because thats how the brits randomly threw them on, i would start a petition for bovington to swap the left and right track with eachother on this tank. strangely enough i also think itd look slightly better that way. Theres one other king tiger that ive seen a pic of that had its tracks mounted like this btw, and its the swedish tiger that they're also talking about. altho that was also done by the swedish. the swedish king tiger roughly made a journey from austria > france > stockholm > skovde > Karlsborg. if u look at the pics, in austria the tracks were mounted normally, in stockholm there were no tracks, in skovde the tracks were mounted swapped, and then in karlsborg they are mounted normally again. Looks like the swedes figured out they accidentally swapped the tracks and then swapped them back again even tho it probably doesnt matter : p
haha its been a while since i did some thinking about this, i looked into it in the past for model building and i remember being left with the feelings that the germans were responsible for the flipped way these tracks are mounted on V2, but i forgot why.
@@stefankarlsson9762 oh hi you're also the guy from the video, thats cool : D well i did another google and i think i found the old pics of the donor tiger “chassis no. 280 009 or 280 012” that donated these tracks. Tracks were already mounted like this on the donor tiger. So probably done by the Germans. So I cannot even blame the british for putting the tracks on like this, and probably sadly no historical reason to swap them :( good to refresh my memory on this tho ;) So to paraphrase, tiger 2 chassis number “280 009 or 280 012” is the only tiger where we have photographic evidence of the germans ever mounting the single link tracks like this. in all other pictures of other single link tigers, theyre the other way round. except for that 1 time in skovde when the swedes were faffing around. pretty interesting.
Sweden acquired more than a few working King Tigers & Panthers immediately following WWII, to study & test for its own industrial companies to learn from.
Anyone that has ever had to railhead a tank on the German rail system has this Panzer to thank for everything……..Nein! Nicht 26 chains for your silly Abrams……27 chains und das ist alles! The Bahnmeister was probably in the Panzertruppen in WWII and had to railhead Königstiger panzers a whole lot…..what an absolutely huge job just to change the service tracks out for the transport tracks and remove the skirts……it’s absolutely mind boggling that the incredible German engineering minds that designed this beautiful machine over engineered it to this ridiculous point…..should have been battle ready when it got to where it was going.
Tim, you need to drop whatever references you are using and get either one of my Panzer Tracts or the Schiffer Publications "Germany's Tiger Tanks" by Tom Jentz and I. There you will learn Porsche or Henschel had nothing to do with turrets - the 8,8cm turrets were all developed by Krupp!
Any video with Hilary Doyle in it is bound to be super insightful and informative :) Glad you published this talk!
And he doesn't feel the need to attack anyone that says porsche around this tank like others. Not getting caught up in these crazy modern times takes a strong and classy base
Yes, It's for all us OCD tank enthusiasts who know things like number of rivets on a tank model from 1939 compared to the model from 1940.
Hillary Doyle and his encyclopedic knowledge of German armor. The man is a legend. Thanks for sharing!
I could listen to these 2 for hours. Thanks.
It's always interesting listening to Hilary Doyle. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
There is no better display of the advances in tank developement than showing a Panzer I right behind this behemoth. This is incredible!
Bit of development there right.
Hillary, Stefan and a very interesting subject!
The Tank Jedi has spoken. Thanks for sharing.
Hilary Doyle, a walking encyclopedia of knowledge on German armour. I could listen to him for days.
Great presentation! Very informative, educational, and interesting. I thoroughly enjoyed watching!
Glad to be there last weekend listing to Hilary and Stefan taking about the Tiger II.
Thank you for posting !. Although most of the part has been lost as a target, so happy to know there are some track links left behind somewhere in Sweden.
Because the Kgs73 single link track links are very rare and not many of them does survive today. Can't wait to watch part 2 of this !.😄
that's just terrific! looking forward to the next part, thank you!
Hilary Doyle is a treasure! Awesome listening to him about panzers.
This is super. What an enormous machine!
Just think without the Internet i would never have heard Hilary Doyle speak. The man is a wonder to behold. Thanks
A sight to behold. It was worth a vissit. Nice video! Hope you get the Panther, that would be fun to see!
Wow, very interesting and informative, glad i dont have to change those tracks, lol
Fantastic!
Extremely interesting! I'll come visit soon!
I`m just back after a nice visit in the museum. I just had to see the Tiger before it ships out..
Great video, vehicle and chat. Thank you.
Moooore!
Very interesting discussion. The logistical problems in transporting this huge vehicle appear to have been a significant challenge.
If you read the diarys of German Tank Commanders, the only vehicle they hads to tow them was...another Tiger. So most of the time was spent using your two working Tigers to go collect the three that broke down or got stuck the day before. Tedious.
@@jabezhanethat's Was only true in the beginning.
Bergepanther (Panther ARV) could handle even King Tigers quite well.
@@HaVoC117X Just telling what the guys who were there stated in their memoirs. Often the only vehicle to hand to tow a Tiger was another Tiger. By 1944 options were limited. It was a huge mistake in tank procurement and development strategy.
@@jabezhane
That's a myth.
Germany had between 600 and 800 Sdkfz 9 Famos heavy 18 ton halftracks with a pulling capacity of 28 to 35 tons operational through out the war. Which were mainly used as recovery and maintenance vehicles.
Two of them can easily tow a Tiger, maybe three if terrain was difficult or the tank stug in gear.
Germany had never more than 6000 tanks operational at one time.
Even in the worst situation that makes 1 Famo for 10 ten tanks.
Add Bergepanthers, Beutepanzer (like T34s) and other german tanks converted to the recovery roll.
Of the 150 Panthers lost at Kursk, 86 ended up in field repair shops and 16 were send back to the industry. 75% of the Panther lost were recovered. This is not a bad number.
After the first month of operation it was even forbidden to use another operational Tiger for recovery, it's even written in the Tigerfibel (quick start handbook). These events were Tigers were used to recover Tigers are rare and not the norm.
@@HaVoC117X Yeah and if they worked like their tanks then half of them would have been destroyed by 1945 and the other half would be needing repair or broken down. Nature of the beast. Do you think handbooks meant anything to German troops by October 1944?
Thank you for this excellent piece full of details!
Some years ago, as a Dane, I visited the German Panzer Museum in Munster, as also the Dora V2 Factory in the mountain. I would love to visit Bovington Tank Museum as also You in Sweden, but as now 75 I doubt it will be in my lifetime.
Just drive over the bridge! 👍
Great stuff!!
I hope this tank returns to Bovington before too long, I have a photo of me sitting on it back in 1968 on my eighth birthday and would love to see it again!
19:35 The loading gage is called "Lichtraumprofil" in german , there were Problems even with modern Tanks, to stay inside the Norm of the Lichtraumprofil Chieftains had to be prepared for Railtransport by removing the Searchlightbox ( from the Turretside) and store it onto the enginedeck.
great vid
You should get in touch with the guys in Switzerland who are completely restoring a King Tiger to full working order, they're doing an incredible job btw
And of course, even basic information is missing... 🤦♂️
@@AKUJIVALDO there's a yt channel who covers all the restoration
God damn why do i like tanks so much🤔
Beast of a tank
AMAZING !
Love the details. While breaking track and putting it back on might be "easy" using a rope around the sprocket, having been in the drivers hatch trying to hold down the brake for so long was the absolute worst experience I had doing maintenance.
There is one (I have been and watched closely) in La Gleize - Belgium, the Ardennes, and it is the Royal Tiger. His story is described in this museum. Its vastness and armor resistance still fascinate, despite the bad memories of us Poles.
It was definitely worth the visit and was amazing to see, too bad Sweden used theirs for targetpractice. Is interesting MBTs now have the weight of heavy tanks.
Excellent!
Love it!
Really interesting, thanks
I needed to watch this video after seeing this tank in the background of the Marder II video.
I had heard the explanation of the tank's development history before, and I just wanted to confirm that this was the limited run turret and not the series turret.
What a beauty.
I read some years ago that the British railway loading gauge is practically the same as the New Zealand railway loading gauge despite our (NZ) track gauge being 3’6”, also known as Cape (of Good Hope) gauge. This is because, with the notable exception of the original Great Western lines, British rail infrastructure was designed for early standard gauge rolling stock. I also understand that German main line steam locomotives had folding tops to their chimneys, for use in France.
It's a great Tiger II with the rarer Porche turret.
Where is Part II !? Hope it's coming soon!!!
part 2 came out earlier.
@@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 There will be a part two later on
@@stefankarlsson9762 👍
The Maybach pre-selector gearbox, is it a predecessor to modern-day automatic gearbox ?
Mighty beast! 💗
Do you guys know of a prototype X shaped engine for the tiger II? Pretty interesting things that desperation can bring.
You are referring to the Simmering-Graz-Pauker Sla 16, a supercharged 16 cylinder air-cooled diesel engine that was supposed to provide up to 1500hp and fit in the same engine bay as the Maybach HL230. It never reached mass production before the war's end.
@@HerrGausF One was installed in a Jagdtiger
@@HerbertAckermans did it worked as supposed?
@@AKUJIVALDO No information known to date about that. Might be hidden in Russian archives
the porsche tiger had an electric final drive which had faults the day of proving concept so the Henschel design won the contract to Porsche was advanced technology which is underappreciated today
If one is to even try to understand armor today, one MUST understand the history of the development and application in history.
What a beast !
I've often wondered how many Tiger I and IIs would have been used against the invasion in 1944 if Hitler had not used up so many on the Eastern front.
Yes, the deception regarding Pas De Calais helped, but another key reason the allies were able to establish the beachhead and fight its way into the bocage is due to the German military's inability to deploy effective units along all sectors. Rommel stated that his intention was to stop the invasion at the beaches because he knew air power would hinder a defense inland. If Rommel had available to him the armored divisions I'm sure he desired, what would have happened?
When Germany attacked Russia in Barbarossa, it deployed 19 armored divisions. Most of those were chewed up by that failed invasion. Now imagine if just 10 additoinal German armored divisions deployed behind the invasion beaches.
I kinda like this turret on this tiger.
Were these Maybachs turbocharged?
That was planned but not produced during the war
Kunde inte komma och se kungstiger, kommer ni någonsin få en till stor och cool tysk stridsvagn?
Förhoppningsvis Panthern de nämnde i videon
I didn't know that about the suspension.
What a beast😁
I wonder to what degree freezing mud was a problem given that it could be cracked by moving the tank before it was fully hardened. Or by using a sledgehammer or just hose it away.
At minus 10 drgrees, doubt u can sledgehammer anything
@@kenjohnston8173 So, you haven't tried.
The mud would freeze up solid as concrete on the Eastern Front. This would render the tank completely immobile until it was removed.
@Herbert Ackermans As the mud freezes, it can be removed or later cracked with a sledgehammer.
The tanks would be running their engines at intervals to avoid the oil freezing. Before the mud hardens it can be easily cracked.
I personally witnessed an M60A3 that became immobilized because mud had frozen solid between the road wheels.
The crew neglected to chip away the mud. It took an M88 to pull the vehicle so it could break loose.
Is this the vehicle that was in the Netherlands before?
Yes, it is on loan from the UK’s Bovington Tank Museum and was diverted to Sweden after leaving NL.
Has he written any books
Many yes.
did he say the british put these tracks on this tank? is he really right? I thought the germans did that? would that be why the tracks are the wrong way round compared to all other pictures of king tigers with these tracks that i could find? basically this track is unique in that it has different links for the right and left track. and the links are pointing in the other direction on all pics of ww2 tigers, except for this one tiger. So if i was building a model of a king tiger in a battle i wouldnt mount the tracks like they are on this real example.
i mean the tracks would work fine, i just cant find any evidence that they ever had them mounted like that in service.
These tracks were put on in UK during trials after the war. When the tank was captured it had the double link tracks.
@@stefankarlsson9762 yeah you're right. I wonder if theres still a picture of the tank that the brits took these tracks from? if these tracks really are mounted like this just because thats how the brits randomly threw them on, i would start a petition for bovington to swap the left and right track with eachother on this tank. strangely enough i also think itd look slightly better that way.
Theres one other king tiger that ive seen a pic of that had its tracks mounted like this btw, and its the swedish tiger that they're also talking about. altho that was also done by the swedish. the swedish king tiger roughly made a journey from austria > france > stockholm > skovde > Karlsborg. if u look at the pics, in austria the tracks were mounted normally, in stockholm there were no tracks, in skovde the tracks were mounted swapped, and then in karlsborg they are mounted normally again. Looks like the swedes figured out they accidentally swapped the tracks and then swapped them back again even tho it probably doesnt matter : p
haha its been a while since i did some thinking about this, i looked into it in the past for model building and i remember being left with the feelings that the germans were responsible for the flipped way these tracks are mounted on V2, but i forgot why.
@@stefankarlsson9762 oh hi you're also the guy from the video, thats cool : D
well i did another google and i think i found the old pics of the donor tiger “chassis no. 280 009 or 280 012” that donated these tracks. Tracks were already mounted like this on the donor tiger. So probably done by the Germans. So I cannot even blame the british for putting the tracks on like this, and probably sadly no historical reason to swap them :(
good to refresh my memory on this tho ;)
So to paraphrase, tiger 2 chassis number “280 009 or 280 012” is the only tiger where we have photographic evidence of the germans ever mounting the single link tracks like this. in all other pictures of other single link tigers, theyre the other way round. except for that 1 time in skovde when the swedes were faffing around. pretty interesting.
Oh, never heard that Sweden purchased single King Tiger after the war. Interesting.
I believe it was donated by France upon Swedens request if i remember correctly.
Sweden acquired more than a few working King Tigers & Panthers immediately following WWII, to study & test for its own industrial companies to learn from.
Anyone that has ever had to railhead a tank on the German rail system has this Panzer to thank for everything……..Nein! Nicht 26 chains for your silly Abrams……27 chains und das ist alles! The Bahnmeister was probably in the Panzertruppen in WWII and had to railhead Königstiger panzers a whole lot…..what an absolutely huge job just to change the service tracks out for the transport tracks and remove the skirts……it’s absolutely mind boggling that the incredible German engineering minds that designed this beautiful machine over engineered it to this ridiculous point…..should have been battle ready when it got to where it was going.
Such a shame you swedes destroyed the one you had :/
🦾👀
Lite underligt att dom säger 'porsch* istället för Porsche
How does one write the requirement for this beast? “Take a battleship and put tracks on it”.
...that would be the P1000 Ratte 🙄😅😄
Hilary Louis Doyle - hilarious Doyle.
Am I the only one who has such screwed thinking or did his parents have a sense of humour?
Man, What this guy doesn't know about tanks, isn't worth knowing!
Germans made a diesel engine for aircraft but not for their vehicles?
its a Porsche turrent, not a preproduction turrent
Weren't they built on a whim pre-production, and therefore are pre-production turrets?
Porsche never built any turrets. It's a pre production turret.
Tim yo - do you really want to contradict Hillary Doyle?
Tim, you need to drop whatever references you are using and get either one of my Panzer Tracts or the Schiffer Publications "Germany's Tiger Tanks" by Tom Jentz and I. There you will learn Porsche or Henschel had nothing to do with turrets - the 8,8cm turrets were all developed by Krupp!
Ouch! Contradicted by the man himself.
It reminds me of the eligin marbles. Give it back to them...
Why?