WW2 at the Panzermuseum with Hilary Doyle
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- Hilary Doyle is one of the names most associated with German vehicles these days. I grabbed him for a quick wander through the WW 2 section of the Panzermuseum, talking about whatever came up.
We still keep them both locked up in our basement. Don't expect them to return before we got every bit of knowledge out of them.
very good... go on.
Please... continue... :)
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Könnt ihr bitte die andern Leute raus schmeißen wenn The_Chieftain und co. bei euch filmen? Die Leute stehen im Weg und die Hintergrundgeräusche stören, es ist immerhin auch Werbung für euch!
HAHAHAHAHA
What a perfect german pronounciation he has like "Schachtellaufwerk". Really great video and profound expert explaining all the myth and movements from Waffenamt to manufacturer biddings and even the "secrets" of german armor patents and weldering. I was really surprised about all the tiny details he took care for like that fight between tank & artillery branch. Phantatic idea this kind of wander.
from his pronounciation i would guess he has more than Basic understanding of german language
Chieftain "Here we have the Tiger, Is it your favorite vehicle?"
Hilary Doyle "no"
Hilary Doyle = Irish David Fletcher *CONFIRMED*
What? Does Hilary have a Mighty Moustache? I think NOT!
He’s german
@@samanthaholmes8294 Hillary Doyle? He's definitely Irish.
@A.J.K he implied that he served in the German army
What’s his favorite?
Love hearing Mr. Doyle's take on things. He is certainly someone who will contradict the mob and be right! Looking forward to his insights on Panzer IV! So glad to hear you worked with him!
Congratulations on 100 000 subscribers Nick, and merry Christmas!
The German patents on advanced steelmaking and welding were literally secret weapons. Great information! Have a Guinness, on me.
Samuel Thompson Yes I caught that comment as well and I must admit that I have considered all armour to be of the same consistency and quality and the only variables that are
discussed are the thickness and angle of the armour.
@@markfryer9880 I knew that face hardening was important. There's a lot out there on the tradeoffs between stiff, tough, brittle, surface vs deeper plate properties. The Soviets developed submerged welding for the T-34 factories and it made a great deal of difference. Later Panthers had weaker armor as Germany's supplies of nickel, chromium, molybdenum, and so on dwindled. When Aberdeen Proving Grounds preformed an in depth examination of a T-34 during WWII, they found it was made of about 14 different grades of steel.
@@amerigo88 submerged arc welding was developed in mckeesport pa in the early 30's for making pipe. If you can provide evidence it was developed by the Soviets, I'd be interested to see it.
@@amerigo88 it gets complex, but basically it was found that the replacement for molybdenum used by the Germans was more than suitable. Postwar studies showed there was no noticeable drop in steel quality and most wartime studies were pretty much reliant on flawed studies and were used to support the success of bomber command's decision to target certain German industries.
Many of the material replacements in the steel were used postwar by other nations, when shortages were not an issue. Also the main issue in steel quality control for the Germans, temper embrittlement, was not only widely known by the Germans, but they also knew the cause and how to correct it (I can't remember the precise process, but you can pretty much just recycle the faulty plate and try again. By comparison the British who completed the studies suggesting the steel quality issues and hypothesised that temper embrittle ment was the cause, didn't understand the process to the same level until post war.
You then have quality control! Doyle himself found that the quality control and standards was pretty much consistent for steel plate (unlike many other pieces of equipment) for the Germans right up to the end of the war. Poor quality pieces were rejected at similar rates regardless of wartime period and the chemical makeup, despite quality requirements not changing.
TLDR: despite wartime studies claims, major nerding has show via postwar studies, that German steel quality never dipped, it pretty much increased even after material shortages. Any quality differences wouldn't of been noticeable until the last few weeks of the war although it's certainly not documented in any source.
@@randymagnum143 www.sites.google.com/site/thewelding/history Interesting run through of the history of welding. Wikipedia has an article "Submerged Arc Welding" that credits three 1930's inventors who have non-Russian names. Perhaps I should have said the Soviets began implementing SAW in tank production during WWII. IIRC, Jonathan Parshall of "Shattered Sword" fame spoke of Soviet SAW during the second half of an excellent TH-cam video on the Battle of Kursk. The first half of that video recorded at an American war museum (with The Chieftain in the audience!) is from a well-known military historian. I found Parshall's coverage of his research question outstanding. He asks, "Given the relatively even sizes of the wartime economies of the USSR and Nazi Germany, why did the USSR produce so many more tanks/AFV's? It's a fascinating talk I have viewed a few times.
Thanks Nick, thanks Mr Doyle. That was fascinating, and rather ambulatory 👍
Very informative content - more from Hilary Doyle please.
This is the first I've heard that the A7V was a conversion of a freight hauler. Somethin' new ever' day.
Überlandwagen: www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww1/germany/uberlandwagen-gelandewagen-a7v
The museum's director went into detail on the development in an interview with Lindy Neidell of The Great War, which is arguably the definitive video on the A7V at this point. th-cam.com/video/ESKxi4EEDUQ/w-d-xo.html
@@herosstratos Thanks. That's an interesting web page. But what they say on the page seems just opposite of what Doyle said. Doyle said the tank was developed from the freight hauler, and the web site seems to say that the tank came first. Chicken or egg? lol
“Im Oktober 1916, als sich das Kriegsministerium den Forderungen der OHL
gegenübersah, waren gerade Tests mit „Überlandwagen“,
Transportfahrzeugen mit Raupenketten-Antrieb, durchgeführt worden.
Diese Tests verliefen jedoch wenig erfolgreich, [...]“ acc.: Kaufhold-Roll, Heinrich: Der deutsche Panzerbau im Ersten Weltkrieg, Osnabrück 1995
@@herosstratos Ja, ja.
It would have been even better if the cameraman could have filmed the actual *vehicles* being discussed.
You've never seen a tiger tank?
Fuck off twirlip
@@twirlipofthemists3201 I hope you had a Merry Christmas.
Who the fuck cares? We are here to see the tanks!
@@JR_AP Exactly.
I love these interesting conversations with knowledgeable people, you never know what will come up, what new fact or aspect that you'd never thought of but then makes perfect sense. I'm off to see what I can find about ww2 German anti-battery tactics and equipment, thanks guys for doing what you do, thanks WG for funding it, best of the season to everyone and am looking forward to seeing what you come up with in the new year. I was a little worried that you'd run out of stuff to cover but then I remember what you're like and have faith. Cheers and thanks again.
Mr Doyle's depth of knowledge is outstanding, really fantastic to listen to, would love a private tour from him.
Hilary Doyle is delightful. Very knowledgeable and he pronounces German names perfectly.
Appreciating, it takes time to publish these excellent videos, I hope there is a Chieftain video coming on the Elefant presently at Bovington, before it is returned to the US, early 2019. It would be interesting to understand more about its effectiveness in the hands of a good operator has explained by Mr Doyle.
Love these videos mate. Really appreciate the time and effort you put into them. Keep up the good work!
Chieftain gritting his teeth while Doyle says good things about the "Hetzer". lol [edit: corrected misspelling]
Not a tank and not a Hetzer
still better than pullin pak40 in a mud
@@Bors9 Please note quotes around "Hetzer" and who said anything about a tank?
@@JimFortune sry my bad lol.
i swear to god that i saw u wrote a tank(must be geting blind than)
@@Bors9 A bit too much rum in the Xmas rumballs???
Thank you both for sharing your knowledge and experience
That was a fun and informative chat. More please!
Best tanknime crossover ever.
This was a delightful museum to have visited a few years ago. Thank you for your interviews and bit of guided tour!
Very interesting to hear Hilary dispel some modern.myths.. ie that Porches electrical drive tanks failed due to engine tech and not drive tech and that by the Panther G the reliability issues had been sorted.
Congratulations on 100k . I am a little late with it . But I have for years had a interest in German tanks . Thank you Sir .
These videos are perfect, thank you!
Nice to see You Mr. Doyle together at Munster, This has been a 30 plus year passion of mine with my family history in military stemming from panzer divisions during WW2, I love inside the hatch an look forward to the talk about Munsters Africa Korps PZIV Ausf G with that deadly L43 long 75. I hope to see future episodes of inside include a 1942-43 T34-76, a 234/2 "Puma" armored car an a Stug III Ausf G, & a Chi-Nu medium tank which is in Japan an is the last surviving example left. Look forward to the next one, Thanks for keeping this history alive Mr.Moran
Doyle seems to be a good sized tankman
The chieftain on the other hand.. ^^
Thanks for the upload! Merry Christmas Chieftain!
I’ve got to read a Hillary Doyle book. Such great information. Thank you Mr. Moran. Your work is outstanding.
Awesome. One of my favorite of your videos!
Excellent thanks to both of you.
That was very interesting indeed!! Many thanks to you both for that.
I hope that you all have a very Merry Christmas and the happiest of New Years!!
Have Fun in 2019,
Joe
The little annecdotes are like rare pure gold nuggets.
Interesting, explanation on the Tiger and Panther series development and influence of the Politicians and Soviet armour. Loved, the engineering explanations by Hilary, how the designs were evolved.
Hilary has been my constant companion for forty years. Nice work, man!
Very interesting to hear Hilary's comments about metallurgy in Germany and why their armour was lighter and tougher. As a keen naval historian, armour technology is very much discussed in WW1 and WW2 context. Modern tank armour is discussed in tank circles but you don't read much about armour or welding tech during WW2.. with everything being reduced into a thickness debate. In the modern world with every second domestic garage having a mig welder, we forget that reliable welding was a very new tech in the 30s, riveting was a very well understood tech and the reason the British used so many rivets in tanks was due to the huge ship building industry which provided the workers to work in the tank industry. There were simply more master riveters who understood riveting technology more readily available than there were welders of sufficient skill and with sufficient machinery to build welded tanks. You cope with what's available
Yes, Chieftain, Congrats on 100K subscribers!
Can WG do Operation Think Tank 2 ?
that would be so good
Thanks! This was very interesting to watch.
What a great and informative video! Thank you chieftain, your team and especially Hilary Doyle for all this wonderful obscure knowledge! I would have never thought the maus was any good cross country. I'll have to look into that!
Oh no that poor tiger with the track tension completely neglected. :(
Oof
Idk man, that panzer III seemed to have it way worse :P
Sayider that tiger is a model made from plastic
___SEB That would be an expensive kit to buy!
@@___seb4843 Yap, there is even a video of the assembly: th-cam.com/video/oFp2G2Sc3QI/w-d-xo.html
Amazing interview, congrats on 100,000 subscribers!
Doyle is brilliant. His take on Porshe electrical approach is brilliant.
Congrats on the 100K subscribers
Thanks Chieftain. Enjoyed that very much!
Excellent info guys, keep up the great work
I did not know that about the jagdpanzer 38ts armor. Fascinating.
You deserve every one of your 100k subscribers, Major.
More congratulations on 100K!
Very informative. Nice video. Thanks
Doyle is excellent a walking information base .
Surely the huge ratios of kills by the Stug III had more to do with the crews they put in them rather than the actual design of the Stug? It was a low machine with a good gun and relatively low cost because it was missing the Mark 3 turret, but it was the artillerymen that crewed this vehicle that were highly trained in gun handling and therefore much more able to get hits on the enemy where it counted.
One of my grand-father was an officer in the FFI in the south of France. He told me that even at the end of the war, they still used horses for the artillery. When the Das Reich division was order North to meet the allies in Normandie, horses were still in use. Trains were a necessity for rapid deployment, without leaving part of their units behind. The Americans were mechanized Their logistic and train were much more modern.
Please more of this type of conversation! It was pleasure to listening.
great to hear doyle and the role of the wespe and hummel hope we see more of him
Two absolute legendary fellows
A The_Chieftain and Hillary Doyle talk is all I need for this christmas :D
Showing the tanks you are talking about when you talked about them would have been nice
Fairly certain Doyle has the One Ring stowed away somewhere in his house.
I love it. There is so much to learn still about those old tanks and Hilary Doyle never dissapoints. I especially like what he said about the Ferdinand. They always get called super unrealiable, but that is a huge oversimplification. And breaking down was not all they ever did, they also racked up huge kill counts before they eventually broke down, people like to forget that.
I agree, it is good that mr Doyle voices his opinion on it. An opinion that counts a lot more than certain youtubers who just go bashing German tanks.
@@Dreachon I mean the wheraboos aren't better of course. There needs to be a middle ground.
So much potential for future videos.
Wow, thank you for making this very interesting tour of the museum, still not convinced that Tsiganov's theory of "Rational Angle of Armor Plate" did not influenced Panther tank design. Hilary kinda choked on that, but thanks for bring it it up. And KV series tanks did not used "sloped armor"(aka Tsiganov's theory of "Rational Angle of Armor Plate", just to be clear), it least it was not considered design per that theory, since again its a complete RHA armor PLATE sloped, and not a combination of armor(some welded, some cast) at some slopped angles, and that is where strength from that kind of protection is derived. You'll get there sooner or later... Besides development of Pz-V and Pz-VI is well documented...
-- I also find a very interesting angle on German Half-Tracks. Very few people think that those AFVs was very cheap, they was not, and performed brilliantly. Some half-trucks cost as much as a tank.
-- I just want to thank you, for a great material, and hope you keep this conversation going...
--BTW, when Hilary Doyle is going to Bovington to make his 5 top tanks picks?!
Those halftracks are the bomb. I would love to have one for an SUV/camper
Very interesting guys well done.
The heuschrecke (Cricket/Grasshopper) is in the game as the Pz Sfl.IVb and was the Arty that Hilary mentioned with a removable turret for emplacements. The hull borrowed a lot from the Pz Mk4 and the only remaining example is in the States. Beautifully restored and maybe at Fort Benning.
The Chieftain and Hillary Doyle, cant get much higher knowledge than from the proverbial Horse's mouth. Great video, love listening to Hillary Doyle, the man is a wellspring of knowledge on German vehicles.
Would only have been better if Mr Jentz were alive and been there.
@@TheNordhammer True
The time Mr Doyle and Jentz have spent researching tanks make the chieftain look like a newbie...
Congrats on 100,000! Question: Read in several articles that the Tiger in the Museum was one built from pieces found at Trun Scrapyard Normandy, is this true?
Very informative and enjoyable.
OMG was that a Inside the Panzer IV with Chieftain and Doyle teaser?!?!?! 7:00
It's still Christmas...
I can't wait! Panzer IV is my WW2 favorite and it's ridiculous that there is still no Inside The Hatch video.
@@superuser3969 the Pz 4 with the long 75 was the best overall tank of the war.
Point and one my take always - Never let politicians decide how a tank or armor should be used and made.
Love to hear people who know what they are talking about !!
The exact opposite of say 96% of Politicians
OMG the tanks on FIRE contest between Doyle & Cheiftan!!
Hilary Doyle is GREAT! Love to see him more plz!!!
so much knowledge
This was GREAT...really enjoyed Think Tank with Mr Doyle. I wish you guys would have gotten into a little more detail about when he said that Ferdinand was better than the propaganda about it
Fantastic, great content!
And here I learn something completely new, about German capacity to manufacture very thin armor plating.
Would have liked to see more of the tank that were being discussed.
That one was a "wow" guys. Thank you.
Thank goodness it was Hilary DOYLE ! If it was Hillary CLINTON maybe Nick wouldn't have made it to the end !
Thanks great video greetings Jan
Good timing, just bought a book of his "Heavy Jagdpanzer"
I also love half-tracks!!!
I hope we get to see the JagdPanzer IV in more detail,it seems to be the least famous german TD/SPG by far(other than maybe the Stug IV),being almost never mentioned in stories or breakdowns about german WW2 armor. From what I can guess, it was not built in high numbers(Stug,Hetzer)and it didn't had extreme components(Nashorn,JagdPanther,JagdTiger) and because of that nobody really gives a damn about it. Even though it does look like a pretty neat vehicle,being an effective 75 mm cannon on a Panzer IV chassis with sloped front armor.
It seems like a good compromise between the heft of the Jagdpanther and the mobility of the Hetzer. I liked the look of it that I scratch built the conversion from a PzIV model when I was 14, a mere 48 years ago!
I'll tell you after crawling around the inside of the one at the Patton museum years ago, it's quite cramped and I'm only 5'11" tall. I can't imagine the Chieftain having an easy time getting in and out at 6'5." That said, I agree - it's a very underrated German tank destroyer and I hope they do a whole segment on it.
The SdKfz 251 (& derivatives) were 3/4 track. The U.S. M-3 (& derivatives) was a true half track. Hence, the SdKfz 251 needed the complex rear differential to overcome the large footprint in tight turns.
Unless I am mistaken, the US considered the T16 also to be a three-quarter track without special steering, but granted, instead of the longer track reaching forward closer to the front wheels, they used it to extend the track (and thus body) further to the rear. I’m fairly sure the US tried some other 3/4 track designs, but am not near my Hunnicutt right now.
Agreed. I defer to you, as always. In my view, with the 'short' wheel base, the SdKfz 251 series tracks would have to be added into the steering equation, adding complexity as you pointed out. Wouldn't the SdKfz 2 Kettenkrad need the same?
@@N_Wheeler Kettenkrad had differentail stearing.
Hilary Doyle was born in 1943 , and seems to have been interested in Tanks and history all his life
Sturmtiger being like : "I'm here boiz .... please ... notice me ... "
Very nice talk, astounding insights! ... he should do lectures an a stage
👍
another great vid!
Any potential for a future 'Inside the Hatch' on a Churchill/Centurion AVRE, or perhaps a Talk [such as those on the WoT:NA channel] on various demolition vehicles and weaponry from WW1 to Present?
Originally came across the AVRE's in 'Company of Heroes', and loved the design and large calibre Spigot ever since.
Always nice to get bits and pieces of knowledge you wouldn't otherwise have from stuff like this and the Hatch vids.
Happy New Year everybody.
Excellent
More of these!
I visited this museum 30 years ago. At that time you could climb on all the vehicles, which is what we did.
That was later the problem, several visitors (idiots), have exploited that and have stolen things in the interior.
Even those who were struck.
Therefore, visitors can no longer get into the vehicles.
Fascinating commentary!
I have the soviet data on the Mk III Mr Doyle is talking about. apart from that I could translate many things from Russian for you just because you are Nicholas Moran
Станислав Беленький A very generous offer that I hope the Chieftain takes up.
A review of the Jagdpanther would be great, it’s kind of a forgotten tank destroyer shadowed by the far less produced Jagdtiger
I would have preferred that the camera would have focus on the subject they were talking about and not Mr. Doyle. They seem to be pointing off camera too much.
Let's just be glad they didn't put "background" music on this one.
Most viewers to this channel have seen all these vehicles from a million angles, inside and out.
Couldn't disagree more... For a 2-camera crew, they did A HELL of a job - I like the way the Chieftain is concentraining on the discussion, but is also aware of the camera angles and tries to discreetly jump out of their way a couple of times...
@@twirlipofthemists3201 fuck off! Yes, we have seen them a million times, but we are here to see tanks! Are you here to see a couple of guys chatting about tanks? Be fucking honest, wouldn't you like this video more if you actually could see more tank and less of two mature/old guys? It would be awesome hearing them while watching the tanks... Merry Christmas, I'm out!
Probably would have been ideal to inset images of the vehicles, but this was an “off the cuff” video filmed when we had a little spare time at the end of the day. Given that anyone who cares enough to listen to Hilary already likely knows what the vehicles being spoken about are, I figured it wasn’t a significant detriment to the video.
Was that the "Girls und Panzer" production staff in the background?
Do you have a timestamp?
@@zafranorbian757 18:22
What a opportunity ... Inside Panzer 1, Panzer 2, Panzer 4, Panzer 38, Schwerer Wehrmachtsschlepper, Sdkfz 234, Panzerjäger ... a lot of work...a lot of fun...i hope...
Nice, thank you.
The LK2 was only assembled in Sweden all the parts where built in Germany.
Also this year Arsenalen has a running example !
my favorite conversation had to be the SPG usage conversation.