People are easy to praise GININDA, this case is still drag for too long and innocent people are taking a fall, but Meyiwa Family knows who called to informed them who shot Senzo, as for me I lost trust in SAPS and really South Africa has a problem and with this judge I wash my hands like Pilatu
Yes the judge seems to be siding with the witnesses (almost more often than not) and has a preconceived judgment against the accused, it's not going to be a fair trial?
@@brianluthuli4662Yeeeer! He is busy entertaining that lying accused. That is why he is mumbling. He keeps on taking instructions from the lying accused abuye azosidakelelwa😅😅😅. What ic he doesn't come back next year? 😏😏
I like how he carefully listen to each and every evidence and fact, it really shows that he doesn't claim when he says he has presided over 50 cases. Some people accusing him of taking a side but I don't think so
Mngomezulu you are only trying to be nuisance, l can do better than you, you have lost the plot, listen,listen and listen, the brig is more wiser than you, take it easy before you mess up this case.
Our big issue as black people we are very gullible in a sense that we think if one articulates English very well and is talking too much and is giving paragraph answers the person is "smart/ intelligent." We must try to listen to the words he is uttering with his mouth and not hear how well he speaks English. Anyone who is listening to Gininda and not hearing how wonderful he speaks English and be blinded by thee long paragraph answers he is giving will see that he is being diplomatic and try by all means to frustrate the counsel by not answering the questions put before him but will answer things not asked. Long answers and how well you articulate English doesn't make you a smart man. AND BY THE WAY I AM NOT SAYING IT IS YOU THAT IS GULLIBLE BEFORE YOU SLAUGHTER ME WITH A REPLY TO MY COMMENT, I AM GENERALIZING.
@@songezomemani9224 He wasn't really answering; instead, he skillfully sidestepped questions by delving into irrelevant details, attempting to appear clever. He even went as far as enrolling in LLB, perhaps to create an illusion of legal expertise. But mark my words, when it's time for arguments, Mngomezulu will assert his dominance. Judge Ratha seems downright terrified by Mngomezulu's probing questions, resorting to desperate attempts to derail his line of questioning. It's like he's trying to lead a dance in a couryc, but Mngomezulu is the one setting the rhythm. 🔥
Apartheid Agent Gininda is generalising. Not testifying on 636. Agent Gininda is the last hope for apartheid judge, apartheid state Prosecutor. His biggest problem is that he has not said anything about the accused persons voluntarily deposing of confession statements. Apartheid Agent Gininda is woubling around talking about many allegations that for more than 3 yaers. Now have not made any sense. Stupid police wild useless unfounded allegations 😂 Agent Gininda must go straight to 636 confession statements. 😂 He is running away from 636😂 so how is this Apartheid judge going to find in his favour if he is the unit commander, failing to account for the actions of his unit. Gininda must prove beyond reasonable doubt that the accused persons were not torchered were not deprived food, sleep, right to phone and legal representation 😂 forget about the only police officer who speaks ingrish of Ingrish 😂 Apartheid Agent Gininda has said nothing in that court room except speaking ingrish, answering quickly before even understanding the question.😂 That's why he is generalizing because he is lacking content 😂🤷🤷👁️
@@songezomemani9224 😂 Gininda is lecturing the public on police documents administration procedure. What ever they call it. 😂 That's why he is failing to answer specific questions, he is talking and talking And talking, not relating to case number 636 particular reference to confession statements... Gininda must testify that accused persons were allowed to eat food, here is proof. Were allowed to sleep here is proof. Were allowed legal representation. Here is proof. I can tell Gininda right on his ignorant face that 😂 his ingrish of Ingrish is useless if he doesn't answer Adv Mngoh Brilliant specific questions 😂 stupid Gininda 😂
Ok, now i see...during the live i was wonder why everyone was talking about 22nd of January. My phone was not on play mode and I forgot to drag that red line to the end. With all that being said, bye everyone, please enjoy your holidays, untul we meet again ❤️
Gininda has studied the defense and prepared long answers to frustrate the defense. In some instances, He doesn't even answer questions but just talks about standard practice. Judge is in agreement, mainly coz he is well-spoken. Well, the defense are not that articulate (plus their English, not to the judge's liking).
Ithink is not gininda who frustrate the defence but our judge... Remember there was tumelo madlala who was very rude here but judge was not like this but now judge is too much he don't hide that he is bias
People are impressed by the ability to answer a yes or no question with looong explanation that covers all the angles to rectify what his juniors did/said.And obviously if you are the script writer u are a master of the play.His answers doesn't erase the AVL and DNA evidence though.He speaks proper English yes but it doesn't mean cops are not corrupt him included ALLEGEDLY
@@gugundimandenare7969We all know the scene was contaminated by it not being se used so DNA for this case is suspect anyway because of police incompetence of securing the crime scene.
The prosecution has a huge team and resources behind it. It would be wise for the defense to share the load instead of making Mngo carry all the load on his shoulders. They can at least help by splitting both the research effort as well as taking on the periphery, but crucial arguments. The way they are going, Mngo will get overloaded, maybe even overwhelmed. Luckily there will be a long adjournment over the festive.
@NgwendeNgwende-cm2ps I suspect that they don't naturally put their shoulders to the wheel unless they are expressly asked to. They take the path of the least effort; if they can avoid work, pressure, or responsibility, they choose the path of avoidance. It's a pity because the more you take on under pressure, the more effective and sharp you get. The judge sometimes tries to draw Mnisi in, but Mnisi then shows his brilliance and then bows out as soon as he can.
@@Adjudicator246 this case is clear it was cooked against these accused and had the advocates all putting much like Mgo and Msho the span will be strong look at the yesterday issue wen he and mnisi said there is nothing irregular for the evidence used in main trial to be used again in trial within a trial and to be later shamed by the judge wen he said Mgo is right u cant use that evidence 😀😀😀 i wonder wat exactly they are still doing there .
Just because a black person speak English well doesnt mean he is telling the truth or knows his story.. He doesn't give straight answers. Yall must be trolls or robots... Lol
It's not a lecture but answers he gives to Mngomezulu about what the law says when you arrest or detain a person because he was asking him about the law regarsing detention and arrest
Gininda was very articulate, it’s not about English. It’s about being confident and coming across as knowing what you are talking about. Truth or lies, he articulated himself well, I’m sure even if he was speaking Zulu it would be the same
What this fake lawyer seems to be saying is that if a guy is arrested for a different matter and is in detention then he must be re-arrested if you are now charging him for a dufferent matter...this is plain stupid
People, if this witness had presented himself in this trial as a dump and unintelligent person, i was going to question myself on the conspiracy theory of a mastermind. His intelligence so far is a huge plus as it means we cannot rule out our theory just yet.
@@Adjudicator246 not at all, reality is that you have to be super smart to make guilty people innocent and innocent people guilty...so those that were about to give up on the conspiracy theory may need to hold on.
@@brianmazorodze4860 Ah, the glamorous life of being super smart! It's like running a mental marathon while juggling brain cells, right? But hey, being your awesome self without needing a spotlight? That's the comfy couch of existence, where you're the VIP without even trying!
This trial within trial I don't see the importance of it because it doesn't include the people who where in the house what is happening now is the argument about the law not about who killed senzo meyiwa the brigadier he says he believed he got the right people forgetting that the law says are presumed innocent until you're find guilty by the court of law beyond reasonable doubt.
So far as evidence given by Brigadier, what is it that he did wrong to you?? Brigadier is answering Mr Mngomezulu very well Mr Mngomezulu is disorganised now bcoz he’s not prepared infact he can’t prepare for himself simply because he’s being fed lies by his clients but he has no choice but to take instructions from his client but again deep down from his heart he knows that his client is not telling the truth…
Morning guys can somebody who is honest in this chart just tell the truth how can a framed person give investigators wrong information if he not guilty or who didn't do wrong should just give them correct information so that they investigate and see if they are involved or not to prove them wrongvbut most of the charts says these people were framed Kelly should be arrested but why don't they just say we are Inkabis from Nongoma and we were doing our job because so and so hired now the state money is wasted because of all the lies they say everyday so I need an honest person to give me an honest answer
The character and the lies of those accused says it all.I dont think they are framed.Police would never arrested someone with no concrete evidence.Those accused must just tell court the truth but unfortunately inkambi dont snitch.
I remember them saying that I don't know each other and don't know why they are charged, soooo many lies from the accused but people still believe that they are Framed, even if it's proved that they where assaulted, that doesn't mean that the confession is false. THEY RIGHTS CANT BE ABOVE THOSE OF SENZO MEYIWA
I'm just waiting for Mshololo to cross-examine Brigadier Gininda. The guy is very smart and always on point. The qualifications question won't work here. Be prepared when you arrive next year
Is it difficult to give credit where it due sisi? As much people claim or see the defence (Mngo) knows his job well, also the Brigadier knows his work very well… I’m still maintaining that the defence just met his match this time around.. Nobody is lying but one must do what he knows in regards with his work qha Let’s kindly understand the proceedings and procedures when trial within trial takes place please 🙏
Gninda acting smarter in court shows how he's the mastermind behind this confession. Apart from confession he has nothing linking this accused to the murder anyway enjoy your festive my learned friends...as it pleases the court. Ratha your fingers must behave next year
Gininda is very smart. The overrated Mngomezulu schooled today😂😂 suspects are lying but people keep on believing they are victim. Evidence point to those people, "evidence" not conspiracy theories
Mgomezulu usangene ekhanda they told him that accuse number one gave them a wrong address how many times the witness must explain to him stupid lawyers
If you’re saying Gininda is lying then prove it. If you can’t prove it, it’s either you are incompetent at what you do or he’s telling the truth. We need to pick a side there’s no in between honestly.
e.g Accused #1 was arrested for the 2018 case (Murder Case as well) without Warrant of Arrest; while detained charged with 2020 Case (Ammunition) by the same team; no warrant of arrest. When he was charged by 2014 Case (still under the same team custody); they then applied for Warrant of Arrest. Bear in mind, investigation since their arrest was about 2014 Case. Someone is trying to cover the tracks.
Current matter, Trial within a Trial... The Accused were tortured and forced to make admissions, etc... And your argument is coz they didn't report then it didn't happen? Be realistic, how children, women and even men this days are abused by people they suppose to find comfort, protection, etc., from and how many report those matters. On Police and relevant; Go look at Steve Biko matter (Hunger Strike neh).
Criminals are clever and very sly to cover their dirty games so people must trust them and they study very hard and understand each and every terms used In the workplace that why he is bragging Even when you work with them you will never notice them quickly bcoz they are very active giving the impression of a hardworker and yet they are busy with their dirty games
@@Mzwa7actually they are allowed to consult during proceeding as often as they need to, just not long sessions as private consultations. Do you think the Judge would tolerate this if not allowed, just looking at his character?
This case wont finish anytime even next year because after the judge has taken a decison on this trial within a trial there will be arguments then we go back to the main trial where again Gininda will come and testify again
Most of them will testify again because they cannot deal with the actual facts in the confessions if they would be allowed. Trial within a trial is taking way too long.
Sorry Mngo you are still not prepared for this mgulugutu!He is speaking more than you sir!This is worrisome Mr Mayi lot is here to close the "holes" left by other police sgebengus /his team!He's continues to protect Senzo's killer!
@@zodwazithulelembatha5048it's allowed, where is it a problem when it's Gininda, U call the judge biased but your analysis and expectations of the state cause is biased
Amanga makes people sick... Mngomezulu should use this time to thoroughly interrogate his clients on the version put forward by the state and stop accepting everything they are telling him, if he wants to redeem himself and his clients case....
Lawyers tricks of buying time when things don't go their way.... Mngomezulu's Attorney's lying tactics are falling him... The case is clear that it was a drug collection money went wrong via Nkabi and Senzo took a bullet for Kelly... One must remember that the Nkabis have no mercy, as one has once said "Injawa injawar"🙃😄 I personally don't see anything wrong with the judge and Baloyi... It serves the trial well, too time time has been wasted over counsels buying time... The Nkabis must just face the reality...
You must pray member that you're not arrested the day when someone accused you for things that you don't know is when you will see how is nice to be under control of saps.
Very intelligent fellow, that's Gininda. He's an eloquent and smart cop. He's not a push over. In my view, he should be promoted to the office of the Hawks/NPA to deal with all these high profile cases that are pending from the Zondo Commission' findings and recommendations. He is certainly not a pushover. I so wish all the cops could be like him in carrying investigations. He leaves no room for ambiguity. He is certainly my cup of team.
Lamp you must be a troll or robot.Just because a black person speak English well doesnt mean he is telling the truth or knows his story.. He doesn't give straight answers
My brother thank you for knowing the truth Gininda makes all lawyers stomach runs Mngomezulu is not sick he was at the corner couldn't find the way to escape but sick😂
Bathi Mngomezulu went on sick leave and in the interim he will gathering facts. Bad move as he has just given the prosecuting team to also strengthen their case. I doubt that they will be sitting and twiddling their thumbs in the meantime. Umubiza was really put in the frying pan and the heat made him sick
Gininda well done, you are a brigadier indeed, you know your job, you giving Mgomezulu very accurate answers and hard time, he is trying to play up with you, it’s not even fair Mngomezulu stop it now.
MNGOMEZULU WAS OVERWHELMED SINCE YESTERDAY WHEN HE WAS REMINDING GININDA ABOUT THE DUEL THE HAD EARLIER IN THEIR CARREERS GININDA COULDN'T REMEMBER HIM
Gininda is smart shem. No wonder they did what they did, it's probably not the first time and won't be the last time coz they're lead by a smart guy with brains who knows the law. I just hope the right people will be convicted, and Senzo & his family gets justice cha.
I personally question his being smart . If he were as smart as some think he is why is he not clever enough to realize he is dealing the wrong suspects in this case?
@@wandeywandey1144😂What evidence do you have that suggest those are the wrong suspects? 😂Gininda is following evidence, you are following conspiracy theory
He's smart in a sense that he can probably put other guys as suspects so that he can close this case. Smart to cover his moves and make sure he wins the case
Girl friends are also coming next yesr to tell the court that this are the killer the defence will continue dinial thumps up Brigadier Gininda you know your job sir
Those 5 gentlemen are saving their sentencies already for killing senzo from 2019 fews to come will be 2024 but some people still belive that are inoncent this are the killers
the judge's last comment shows that yesterday he was busy interjecting and interfering what unfair trial the defence is always disturbed when they are flowing especially pining the witness the judge will always wants to answer to show some non verbal communication. no wonder such judgment when it goes to the appeal court are set aside for obvious reasons that there was no impartiality by the judicial officer.
Right from the start the defence lawyers was taking advantage pickings on non vital points only for the well versed Judge to explain to them what the law says.
You both know nothing about what you are talking about, that what happened when you follow law from youtube rather taking a LLB from ilthe institutions and go to courts to make articles nonetheless defensive council is in point and his points are vital for arguments
Judge Ratha is intervening because he knows what Mngomezulu is preparing for his arguments. That's why he is attempting to divert his line of questioning in this cross-examination. Although Gininda may seem fluent with his script, time will reveal the truth. I'm eagerly awaiting January 22; Mngomezulu will likely present compelling arguments. Additionally, Moyeki/Monyeki is showing signs of maturity. People might be surprised if accused 1&2 are acquitted like Freeman, especially if Judge Ratha is compelled to drop the case after successful challenges to the admissibility by the lawyers.
@@nhlakaniphom is that ur wish?cos based on the evidence presented before court accused 1&2 are in a hot soup...and i u said we know nothing about law?are u sure?do u know us personally or u jus being emotional?
For? Keeping Ntanzi in jail for 3 years, an innocent person, when the DNA proved he was not involved and where the evidence was cleaned by the people in the house that day. So sad.
As for Gininda, he has been in court before for defeating the ends of justice, he has mastered his corrupt behaviour...he ain't scared of court, he lies so well...they had so much time to rehearse this lie...it spoken to well. Sies!
I believe people who are praising this corrupt Gininda, do not know what English. This guy does not excel in it just speaking like everyone else who knows eng as we are all working and be speaking English almost all weeks
Fluent English doesn't mean you are telling the truth. Even when lying you can lie speaking fluently. True signs of educated crook,, he won't go straight to the point he gives you a phrase and paragraphs to confuse you. That's Mr Gininda. All about to confuse the defense.
EFF ngenelelani plz help d family of senzo n d nation get justice plz🙏 fighters ✊singadlala abo gininda ,baloyi n dat prosecutor judge ratha must behave coz us as anation we c d judicial failing us Mr malema plz vele they already called u out😅
Awubathumelele i email mase ubatshele izizizathu as to why kumele besize ugadeke uma ususho izizathu zakho ubhale onobufakazi bakho not hearsay evidence
The Judge.. is being Sarcastic.. and it's very rude of him saying that about an advocate that.. " I was not interfering yesterday, you were not fine" wow this judge is out of order shem
Sppeedy recovery to the Advocate I did see in the past two weeks that he hasn't been looking okay... it might be a strategy but the court was going to go on recess anyway... Love and peace ya'll see you all next year.
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People are easy to praise GININDA, this case is still drag for too long and innocent people are taking a fall, but Meyiwa Family knows who called to informed them who shot Senzo, as for me I lost trust in SAPS and really South Africa has a problem and with this judge I wash my hands like Pilatu
If the family knows who kill Senzo they must come forward with prove or evidence, unless you know but you don't have any that's a problem
Judge appears to be annoyed with the defence. As for me I don’t see any fair trial here
I have noticed that, everytime when the defence challenge the witness or State prosecutor look his face & you will see he is annoyed/irritated
Thank you very much,i thought it was only me thats seing it...hes taking this thing personal
Thts unacceptable
Gininda knows his job yooh
You know why? Because Mngomezulu kept on asking the same question again and again
Yes the judge seems to be siding with the witnesses (almost more often than not) and has a preconceived judgment against the accused, it's not going to be a fair trial?
I said it..Mngomezulu, even when you come back, facts will still be the same.
Danko mgo he went out on a sick leave but the truth is that he went to gather facts.
Mngo is gonna dig more about the Sibiya's alleged Drug case and gather more info like what he did with Ntanzi's Nongoma cas
Facts will remain even when he returns.
Gininda will still be Gininda when he returns from collecting those "facts". Gininda got this
Mngomezulu he contradicte himself uyadakwa
@@brianluthuli4662Yeeeer! He is busy entertaining that lying accused. That is why he is mumbling. He keeps on taking instructions from the lying accused abuye azosidakelelwa😅😅😅. What ic he doesn't come back next year? 😏😏
Mr Gininda u have represented yourself very well 👍
Gininda is very smart 👌 he seems to be a lawyer himself
I heard he's currently doing law..
His so professional 👌💯
Loooool
I like the way the judge handles this case and I also like professionalism of brigadier Gininda ❤
I like how he carefully listen to each and every evidence and fact, it really shows that he doesn't claim when he says he has presided over 50 cases. Some people accusing him of taking a side but I don't think so
@@laviousntsime4079 50 years experience as a judge. I am quite sure that the cases are also more than 50 though. 04/12/2023
Mngomezulu you are only trying to be nuisance, l can do better than you, you have lost the plot, listen,listen and listen, the brig is more wiser than you, take it easy before you mess up this case.
Weeee😂 Mngomezulu akabuyi next year
Ginida is giving free lessons to counsels
So far he's on long leave.
Our big issue as black people we are very gullible in a sense that we think if one articulates English very well and is talking too much and is giving paragraph answers the person is "smart/ intelligent." We must try to listen to the words he is uttering with his mouth and not hear how well he speaks English. Anyone who is listening to Gininda and not hearing how wonderful he speaks English and be blinded by thee long paragraph answers he is giving will see that he is being diplomatic and try by all means to frustrate the counsel by not answering the questions put before him but will answer things not asked. Long answers and how well you articulate English doesn't make you a smart man. AND BY THE WAY I AM NOT SAYING IT IS YOU THAT IS GULLIBLE BEFORE YOU SLAUGHTER ME WITH A REPLY TO MY COMMENT, I AM GENERALIZING.
@@songezomemani9224 He wasn't really answering; instead, he skillfully sidestepped questions by delving into irrelevant details, attempting to appear clever. He even went as far as enrolling in LLB, perhaps to create an illusion of legal expertise. But mark my words, when it's time for arguments, Mngomezulu will assert his dominance. Judge Ratha seems downright terrified by Mngomezulu's probing questions, resorting to desperate attempts to derail his line of questioning. It's like he's trying to lead a dance in a couryc, but Mngomezulu is the one setting the rhythm. 🔥
Apartheid Agent Gininda is generalising. Not testifying on 636. Agent Gininda is the last hope for apartheid judge, apartheid state Prosecutor. His biggest problem is that he has not said anything about the accused persons voluntarily deposing of confession statements. Apartheid Agent Gininda is woubling around talking about many allegations that for more than 3 yaers. Now have not made any sense. Stupid police wild useless unfounded allegations 😂 Agent Gininda must go straight to 636 confession statements. 😂 He is running away from 636😂 so how is this Apartheid judge going to find in his favour if he is the unit commander, failing to account for the actions of his unit. Gininda must prove beyond reasonable doubt that the accused persons were not torchered were not deprived food, sleep, right to phone and legal representation 😂 forget about the only police officer who speaks ingrish of Ingrish 😂 Apartheid Agent Gininda has said nothing in that court room except speaking ingrish, answering quickly before even understanding the question.😂 That's why he is generalizing because he is lacking content 😂🤷🤷👁️
@@songezomemani9224 😂 Gininda is lecturing the public on police documents administration procedure. What ever they call it. 😂 That's why he is failing to answer specific questions, he is talking and talking And talking, not relating to case number 636 particular reference to confession statements... Gininda must testify that accused persons were allowed to eat food, here is proof. Were allowed to sleep here is proof. Were allowed legal representation. Here is proof. I can tell Gininda right on his ignorant face that 😂 his ingrish of Ingrish is useless if he doesn't answer Adv Mngoh Brilliant specific questions 😂 stupid Gininda 😂
Ok, now i see...during the live i was wonder why everyone was talking about 22nd of January. My phone was not on play mode and I forgot to drag that red line to the end. With all that being said, bye everyone, please enjoy your holidays, untul we meet again ❤️
Gininda has studied the defense and prepared long answers to frustrate the defense. In some instances, He doesn't even answer questions but just talks about standard practice.
Judge is in agreement, mainly coz he is well-spoken. Well, the defense are not that articulate (plus their English, not to the judge's liking).
Ithink is not gininda who frustrate the defence but our judge... Remember there was tumelo madlala who was very rude here but judge was not like this but now judge is too much he don't hide that he is bias
Till we meet again next year. Merry Christmas fellows
Gininda is something els he is showing defense flames 😅
Big time.
Not just flames big flames
People are impressed by the ability to answer a yes or no question with looong explanation that covers all the angles to rectify what his juniors did/said.And obviously if you are the script writer u are a master of the play.His answers doesn't erase the AVL and DNA evidence though.He speaks proper English yes but it doesn't mean cops are not corrupt him included ALLEGEDLY
He was asked 3 times who charged accused 1.
The DNA did not exonerate the accused completely, people either don’t understand or don’t follow
👏🏾👏🏾
The EVL didn't prove anything in the defense's favor. No dumping side was highlighted by the AVL.
@@gugundimandenare7969We all know the scene was contaminated by it not being se used so DNA for this case is suspect anyway because of police incompetence of securing the crime scene.
Attitude of this judge towards these guys says it all
Exactly
Axactly bcoz uyazi ngamanga anga
The prosecution has a huge team and resources behind it. It would be wise for the defense to share the load instead of making Mngo carry all the load on his shoulders. They can at least help by splitting both the research effort as well as taking on the periphery, but crucial arguments. The way they are going, Mngo will get overloaded, maybe even overwhelmed. Luckily there will be a long adjournment over the festive.
Mnisi and Nxumalo are getting to my nerves now. They seem like not happy abour the presence of Mgomezulu
@NgwendeNgwende-cm2ps I suspect that they don't naturally put their shoulders to the wheel unless they are expressly asked to. They take the path of the least effort; if they can avoid work, pressure, or responsibility, they choose the path of avoidance. It's a pity because the more you take on under pressure, the more effective and sharp you get. The judge sometimes tries to draw Mnisi in, but Mnisi then shows his brilliance and then bows out as soon as he can.
@@Adjudicator246 this case is clear it was cooked against these accused and had the advocates all putting much like Mgo and Msho the span will be strong look at the yesterday issue wen he and mnisi said there is nothing irregular for the evidence used in main trial to be used again in trial within a trial and to be later shamed by the judge wen he said Mgo is right u cant use that evidence 😀😀😀 i wonder wat exactly they are still doing there .
Is this case adjourned to next year?
@@Mashinge yes
Who is the lawyer here? Mgo or Gininda?
I like this witness. I have never heard a clear police officer like Brigadier Gininda. He really schools ntate Mngomezulu 4 free.
Yes 100%
Just because a black person speak English well doesnt mean he is telling the truth or knows his story.. He doesn't give straight answers. Yall must be trolls or robots... Lol
Guys being fluent in English doesn't mean you're intelligence or answering the questions asked!!!
Gininda shows them that he know his job he answer every question. And you can see that he is telling the truth
@@siviwembatane3600we are not assessing based on his fluency of the English language but his answers
Brigadier Gininda is giving a lecture, free of charge
It's not a lecture but answers he gives to Mngomezulu about what the law says when you arrest or detain a person because he was asking him about the law regarsing detention and arrest
Gininda has a lot of experience u can hear by the way he respond to the question.the knows his story.. Mngomezulu tried his luck until he felt ill😅
@@monkeyletoaba5916 You are correctly, some people don't understand anything about lecturing and pagraphing answering a question 😂😂😂
Gininda's muthi was all over the court
To lecture is to teach, it's to give knowledge to the person who lacks knowledge
Gininda was very articulate, it’s not about English. It’s about being confident and coming across as knowing what you are talking about. Truth or lies, he articulated himself well, I’m sure even if he was speaking Zulu it would be the same
He is well trained🤞
Well trained indeed
What this fake lawyer seems to be saying is that if a guy is arrested for a different matter and is in detention then he must be re-arrested if you are now charging him for a dufferent matter...this is plain stupid
@@lesegokgotlhang6434 he is indeed a fake lawyer this one..
What happened now where are they?
People, if this witness had presented himself in this trial as a dump and unintelligent person, i was going to question myself on the conspiracy theory of a mastermind. His intelligence so far is a huge plus as it means we cannot rule out our theory just yet.
That is just spin, and I guess you know it. It's most probably a tongue in cheek comment. At worst, it's a bad attempt at trolling. 😅
@@Adjudicator246 not at all, reality is that you have to be super smart to make guilty people innocent and innocent people guilty...so those that were about to give up on the conspiracy theory may need to hold on.
@@brianmazorodze4860 Ah, the glamorous life of being super smart! It's like running a mental marathon while juggling brain cells, right? But hey, being your awesome self without needing a spotlight? That's the comfy couch of existence, where you're the VIP without even trying!
This trial within trial I don't see the importance of it because it doesn't include the people who where in the house what is happening now is the argument about the law not about who killed senzo meyiwa the brigadier he says he believed he got the right people forgetting that the law says are presumed innocent until you're find guilty by the court of law beyond reasonable doubt.
@@user-xe6qf5wt9o you can say that again
Gininda runs the show well🙌🤗
How many times Mr mngomezulu will consult acc 1 judge need to stop this is waist of time crc
Kodwa abekho abantu abangena endlini kwa khumalo, noma ama answers akhe engaba accurate
TT did warn that he will returning to the court with some info.
mawufun ukubon ukuth kumnand kanjn court ubobuka icala lika Amber heards. Judge lithul duu lilalela kphela
Somewhere and somehow the accused aren't being honest with their lawyers because at the end the defence looks weak
Lying does them no favors.
That's Tru
Yaaaah , much respect to Brigader Gininda and Speedy recovery to Adv Mngomezulu....
Just because a black person speak English well doesnt mean he is telling the truth or knows his story.. He doesn't give straight answers..
Respect for what? For being a smart operator. An intelligent crook
@@platinumvusiYes!
Big up to the lawmen and women giving their all
So far as evidence given by Brigadier, what is it that he did wrong to you??
Brigadier is answering Mr Mngomezulu very well
Mr Mngomezulu is disorganised now bcoz he’s not prepared infact he can’t prepare for himself simply because he’s being fed lies by his clients but he has no choice but to take instructions from his client but again deep down from his heart he knows that his client is not telling the truth…
But why isn't there any audible evidence
Normally,audio recording is put into place before the beginning of interrogation
So why isn't there any?
Morning guys can somebody who is honest in this chart just tell the truth how can a framed person give investigators wrong information if he not guilty or who didn't do wrong should just give them correct information so that they investigate and see if they are involved or not to prove them wrongvbut most of the charts says these people were framed Kelly should be arrested but why don't they just say we are Inkabis from Nongoma and we were doing our job because so and so hired now the state money is wasted because of all the lies they say everyday so I need an honest person to give me an honest answer
The character and the lies of those accused says it all.I dont think they are framed.Police would never arrested someone with no concrete evidence.Those accused must just tell court the truth but unfortunately inkambi dont snitch.
I remember them saying that I don't know each other and don't know why they are charged, soooo many lies from the accused but people still believe that they are Framed, even if it's proved that they where assaulted, that doesn't mean that the confession is false. THEY RIGHTS CANT BE ABOVE THOSE OF SENZO MEYIWA
I'm just waiting for Mshololo to cross-examine Brigadier Gininda. The guy is very smart and always on point. The qualifications question won't work here. Be prepared when you arrive next year
The honest truth is most of the crooks are smart.........this Gininda is one of them
Is it difficult to give credit where it due sisi?
As much people claim or see the defence (Mngo) knows his job well, also the Brigadier knows his work very well…
I’m still maintaining that the defence just met his match this time around..
Nobody is lying but one must do what he knows in regards with his work qha
Let’s kindly understand the proceedings and procedures when trial within trial takes place please 🙏
I beg to differ with you on this one. That's why ginanda is pursuing his degree. He is really smart and I bet he's going to pass with flying colors
the five accused are the biggest liers and murders, how can I defend someone who killed his own cousin. YAA NEE SATA FRIKA
Gininda is a lier
Mgomezulu does not prepare for the case.
His clients are lying 😢
Gninda acting smarter in court shows how he's the mastermind behind this confession. Apart from confession he has nothing linking this accused to the murder anyway enjoy your festive my learned friends...as it pleases the court. Ratha your fingers must behave next year
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Heyii that hand 😂😂😂😂😂
Haai looks like Mngo is overwhelmed!
He's not overwhelmed. The judge interject when he noticed the defence is hitting hard towards the witness
Up until this judge stops interrupting,u will realize he's not
If it wasnt for money, I'm sure he would throw a towel in this one.
He must stand his ground this trial is not for the faint hearted 😂
Gininda is very smart. The overrated Mngomezulu schooled today😂😂 suspects are lying but people keep on believing they are victim. Evidence point to those people, "evidence" not conspiracy theories
Look at Ratha noding in agreement when Gininda is answering and look how he frowns when defence ask 😭😭😭😭💔💔💔
Exactly. He takes sides
@@suzanmonyeki1453😂😂 yhuuu madoda ndinincamile
Rathatha is MISOGYNIST and Apartheid Apologist, period!👎👎🚮
Mgomezulu usangene ekhanda they told him that accuse number one gave them a wrong address how many times the witness must explain to him stupid lawyers
Thank mngo🎉
Se argent Mogola said they went to the house of the accused, then why is the address said to be unknown?
My question as well😅
You'didnt understand he said the first address wasn't correct the address was which correct is the 2nd from Nongoma
If you’re saying Gininda is lying then prove it. If you can’t prove it, it’s either you are incompetent at what you do or he’s telling the truth. We need to pick a side there’s no in between honestly.
e.g Accused #1 was arrested for the 2018 case (Murder Case as well) without Warrant of Arrest; while detained charged with 2020 Case (Ammunition) by the same team; no warrant of arrest. When he was charged by 2014 Case (still under the same team custody); they then applied for Warrant of Arrest.
Bear in mind, investigation since their arrest was about 2014 Case. Someone is trying to cover the tracks.
Current matter, Trial within a Trial...
The Accused were tortured and forced to make admissions, etc...
And your argument is coz they didn't report then it didn't happen?
Be realistic, how children, women and even men this days are abused by people they suppose to find comfort, protection, etc., from and how many report those matters.
On Police and relevant; Go look at Steve Biko matter (Hunger Strike neh).
Ngininda is dengerous and strong mngomezulu is under pressure now he cant even remember wat he sayd b4
I dnt blame him..... he's under harassment,the judge always interferes
I am sure Gininda would easily get a distinction in law😅
The fake Mgomezulu will leave this trial with a phd from Gininda
Gininda knows his story even if he can be lying but he can stand his ground
Just because a black person speak English well doesnt mean he is telling the truth or knows his story.. He doesn't give straight answers
Lying nothing .But dom advocate zulu .You are very on prepared. YOU THINK CLEVER BUT YOU MUST STAND OFF
Criminals are clever and very sly to cover their dirty games so people must trust them and they study very hard and understand each and every terms used In the workplace that why he is bragging Even when you work with them you will never notice them quickly bcoz they are very active giving the impression of a hardworker and yet they are busy with their dirty games
😂😂😂. Are you serious?
@@irenekhumalo-lx3spare you also a criminal? How do you know the characteristics and ways of criminals😅😅
I saw this one coming
Manje abafwethu bazovalelwa nakulo Christmas ? 😢 Ey ibuhlungu lena eyenziwa ko Ntanzi
So why is this judge shaking his head when Adv Mngomezulu is consulting with the accused, this judge should be recused from this case
They r not supposed to consult during proceedings. Thats y the judge gets annoyed...it shows how unprepared they are
@@Mzwa7😂😂Consulting for more lies
@@Mzwa7actually they are allowed to consult during proceeding as often as they need to, just not long sessions as private consultations. Do you think the Judge would tolerate this if not allowed, just looking at his character?
The fact that even the Meyiwa family knows that the accused never killed Senzo is so absurd😩
That family must keep quiet and let the law take its course. They want closure for they loved one but interfere with court proceedings.
I seconded you the truth will come out.Those 5 accused still gonna take the stand who knows maybe they will tell us the truth who knows
Accused must write down his concerns and give his lawyer later man
That look Ratha just gave Ginindaman...
This case wont finish anytime even next year because after the judge has taken a decison on this trial within a trial there will be arguments then we go back to the main trial where again Gininda will come and testify again
Most of them will testify again because they cannot deal with the actual facts in the confessions if they would be allowed. Trial within a trial is taking way too long.
Mngomezulu is playing games if this is difficult for him he must leave
Sorry Mngo you are still not prepared for this mgulugutu!He is speaking more than you sir!This is worrisome Mr Mayi lot is here to close the "holes" left by other police sgebengus /his team!He's continues to protect Senzo's killer!
Wow really
His busy explaining instead to unswered the question.
True
@@zodwazithulelembatha5048it's allowed, where is it a problem when it's Gininda, U call the judge biased but your analysis and expectations of the state cause is biased
😂seqalile ujaji rolling his eyes to d witness 😅😂nx lelikhehla elikhohlakele
Ijaji alinasidumbu abantu abakhohlakele ilababulali
Abantu babona izinto abazicabangayo bona and not the facts.
Ijaji ehlelinje ishukumisa umlomo iyaphazamisa nx
How is this a clever move when he just exposed himself
Exposed himself how because he wanted postponement yesterday but Ratha refused so smart move to prepare himself from this ambushment
@@njabulojb2994He came to court unprepared. RJudge Ratha saw through him now he exposed himself by playing ill. Will we even see him in 2024?
Ginida is lit. He's schooling this advocate.
Amanga makes people sick...
Mngomezulu should use this time to thoroughly interrogate his clients on the version put forward by the state and stop accepting everything they are telling him, if he wants to redeem himself and his clients case....
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Lawyers tricks of buying time when things don't go their way.... Mngomezulu's Attorney's lying tactics are falling him...
The case is clear that it was a drug collection money went wrong via Nkabi and Senzo took a bullet for Kelly...
One must remember that the Nkabis have no mercy, as one has once said "Injawa injawar"🙃😄
I personally don't see anything wrong with the judge and Baloyi...
It serves the trial well, too time time has been wasted over counsels buying time...
The Nkabis must just face the reality...
You must pray member that you're not arrested the day when someone accused you for things that you don't know is when you will see how is nice to be under control of saps.
Very intelligent fellow, that's Gininda. He's an eloquent and smart cop. He's not a push over. In my view, he should be promoted to the office of the Hawks/NPA to deal with all these high profile cases that are pending from the Zondo Commission' findings and recommendations. He is certainly not a pushover. I so wish all the cops could be like him in carrying investigations. He leaves no room for ambiguity. He is certainly my cup of team.
Lamp you must be a troll or robot.Just because a black person speak English well doesnt mean he is telling the truth or knows his story.. He doesn't give straight answers
It's about facts, that we can all follow. It's not about emotional outburst based on the court of Public opinion.
Adv.zulu get your papers in order.The judge must wait every for you.Go home
Hence so much corruption in this country hiring people like him in senior position just because of their eloquence.
If Gininda is that smart why this case under his investigations took a decade.....just asking😂
There was nothing wrong with Mgomezulu , he just got cold feet via Gininda😂
My brother thank you for knowing the truth Gininda makes all lawyers stomach runs Mngomezulu is not sick he was at the corner couldn't find the way to escape but sick😂
Bathi Mngomezulu went on sick leave and in the interim he will gathering facts. Bad move as he has just given the prosecuting team to also strengthen their case. I doubt that they will be sitting and twiddling their thumbs in the meantime. Umubiza was really put in the frying pan and the heat made him sick
15:28 there is your smart ginander. What is he answering this guy? I can’t put his answers to the questions
This trial is a Joke...He knows he will be ok on January 2024???? He was on fire yesterday!!I call bull on this guy.
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Gininda well done, you are a brigadier indeed, you know your job, you giving Mgomezulu very accurate answers and hard time, he is trying to play up with you, it’s not even fair Mngomezulu stop it now.
accurate answers?
Big up to Gininda
Speedy recovery adv mgomezulu 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Can see he is .Because he is dom
MNGOMEZULU WAS OVERWHELMED SINCE YESTERDAY WHEN HE WAS REMINDING GININDA ABOUT THE DUEL THE HAD EARLIER IN THEIR CARREERS GININDA COULDN'T REMEMBER HIM
Now its obvious why they gave him to mastermind everything.
Webakwethu! Akeningenelele nakhu isikhathi senkantolo sichithwa yindoda eyodwa nje
Gininda is smart shem.
No wonder they did what they did, it's probably not the first time and won't be the last time coz they're lead by a smart guy with brains who knows the law.
I just hope the right people will be convicted, and Senzo & his family gets justice cha.
👐 Wishing so
I personally question his being smart . If he were as smart as some think he is why is he not clever enough to realize he is dealing the wrong suspects in this case?
Umuthi nje la ku Gininda
@@wandeywandey1144😂What evidence do you have that suggest those are the wrong suspects? 😂Gininda is following evidence, you are following conspiracy theory
He's smart in a sense that he can probably put other guys as suspects so that he can close this case. Smart to cover his moves and make sure he wins the case
Difference in disarray
This main witness came here to close the loop holes the other rler witnesses couldn't..
Girl friends are also coming next yesr to tell the court that this are the killer the defence will continue dinial thumps up Brigadier Gininda you know your job sir
This judge is not make sure...he seems to have already chosen a side that he is running with...that is worrying.
Everyone can see that the defence don’t have a case, they are just wasting our time.
Going to visit Thabo
Those 5 gentlemen are saving their sentencies already for killing senzo from 2019 fews to come will be 2024 but some people still belive that are inoncent this are the killers
the judge's last comment shows that yesterday he was busy interjecting and interfering what unfair trial the defence is always disturbed when they are flowing especially pining the witness the judge will always wants to answer to show some non verbal communication. no wonder such judgment when it goes to the appeal court are set aside for obvious reasons that there was no impartiality by the judicial officer.
Gininda answer Mngomezulu very well and I'm impressed he explained a lot by doing that he is very clever he covers the second question from Mngomezulu
Im waiting for the day, Brigadier Gininda vrs Adv Mshololo
Ginyinja is a decent crook. A smooth operator
Say that again. He is a professional lier.
And the accused are what professional killers
@@gladysmkhize4085 Drug dealers as well
Somebody said it b4 he came on the stand as witness he said is a liar and talks too much and does not answer questions.So it's true
@@ziblospo He answers questions, and he even educates the advocate on how things work in South Africa. Stop lying
Muzikawukhulelwa wanted to shoot and kill his girl when she say she will tell thepolice tha he killed senzo why ?
The question is related to this current case and not any other cases!!!!
Gininda is what Captain Mangena was in Oscar Pistorious case
You mean Capt Mangena?
@@thamsanqampu4710 yes
Not close
Right from the start the defence lawyers was taking advantage pickings on non vital points only for the well versed Judge to explain to them what the law says.
Definitely!!and when the judge do that people say he is interfering
You both know nothing about what you are talking about, that what happened when you follow law from youtube rather taking a LLB from ilthe institutions and go to courts to make articles nonetheless defensive council is in point and his points are vital for arguments
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Judge Ratha is intervening because he knows what Mngomezulu is preparing for his arguments. That's why he is attempting to divert his line of questioning in this cross-examination. Although Gininda may seem fluent with his script, time will reveal the truth. I'm eagerly awaiting January 22; Mngomezulu will likely present compelling arguments. Additionally, Moyeki/Monyeki is showing signs of maturity. People might be surprised if accused 1&2 are acquitted like Freeman, especially if Judge Ratha is compelled to drop the case after successful challenges to the admissibility by the lawyers.
@@nhlakaniphom is that ur wish?cos based on the evidence presented before court accused 1&2 are in a hot soup...and i u said we know nothing about law?are u sure?do u know us personally or u jus being emotional?
This Gininda is jst singing is not answering mr Mngomezulu.
Nizonya lana bafana bam if undermine the police 😊
I respect Mr Gininda
For? Keeping Ntanzi in jail for 3 years, an innocent person, when the DNA proved he was not involved and where the evidence was cleaned by the people in the house that day. So sad.
Kakhulu big up Mr Gininda
Mr Mayi lot is lecturing Mngomezulu 😮
The sound system must be attended to. It is too noisy indeed!!!
As for Gininda, he has been in court before for defeating the ends of justice, he has mastered his corrupt behaviour...he ain't scared of court, he lies so well...they had so much time to rehearse this lie...it spoken to well. Sies!
I bet ratha and baloyi are jubilant
If we use your logic the accused have also been to court before for murders.
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I don’t understand people or they like English that’s why they say Gininda is so clever
I believe people who are praising this corrupt Gininda, do not know what English. This guy does not excel in it just speaking like everyone else who knows eng as we are all working and be speaking English almost all weeks
😂😂😂 It's especially those one believed if you're fluent in English you're intelligent, mara something wrong with our people 😂😂😂
Fluent English doesn't mean you are telling the truth. Even when lying you can lie speaking fluently. True signs of educated crook,, he won't go straight to the point he gives you a phrase and paragraphs to confuse you. That's Mr Gininda. All about to confuse the defense.
Brigadier Gininda is brilliant great man .He knows and cruises in his work. I can't wait for 2024
Me too.
Mngomezulu is seeing flames, Shayisani 🤦♂
EFF ngenelelani plz help d family of senzo n d nation get justice plz🙏 fighters ✊singadlala abo gininda ,baloyi n dat prosecutor judge ratha must behave coz us as anation we c d judicial failing us Mr malema plz vele they already called u out😅
Awubathumelele i email mase ubatshele izizizathu as to why kumele besize ugadeke uma ususho izizathu zakho ubhale onobufakazi bakho not hearsay evidence
There must help Gardee to get justice first wena motho
Ntanzi alaby and bank statements its a red flag 🚩 already the rest is history
But have they proven that these guys were on the crime scene. What if that bank statement was doctored
😂😂exactly
What about the DNA n AVL
Even next year the facts will remain the same
The Judge.. is being Sarcastic.. and it's very rude of him saying that about an advocate that.. " I was not interfering yesterday, you were not fine" wow this judge is out of order shem
The Judge is clever he see that he is not sick he was going to sort his paper and he came back sick
@@gladysmkhize4085 so do you feel that's the way of saying it?
Sppeedy recovery to the Advocate I did see in the past two weeks that he hasn't been looking okay... it might be a strategy but the court was going to go on recess anyway... Love and peace ya'll see you all next year.
lethy lets talk more about this case.
This court is like just came to listen Ginyinja lecturing them can't he just answer YES OR NO than a long answers 😢😢😢😢
100percent true
Paragraphs answers, not to answer the questions.