@@ACitizen25 I wonder about that sometimes. Some of the older enterprise 10 gig gear is very power hungry. And hot enough youre wasting more energy on cooling. Not so much to justify upgrading last time I ran the numbers, but it was getting there.
@@christopherjackson2157 true depending on generation of it's switch chip it can be more in electrical But there has been over 5-8 switch chip generation since it was released Enterprise If you stay in the last 3 or so power per gb of port is quite cheaper then these 2.5 per port cost (ie port electric cost divided 4 for 2.5 g or 10 for 1gb port power comparison) Sfp or baseT both have there values but sfp if no poe need but T for 10gb poe are wonders on high end wifi backbone
10+ GbE or GTFO (to industry not STH; and yeah, I see the uplink ports). I just wanted to say that I appreciate you how are blindly handed a switch at the edge of the frame and you talk about it without skipping a beat! :-)
I bought the TP-Link TL-SG108-M2 8-Port 2.5 Gigabit in December 2021 for $182 and thought this was a great price. Normal price $200 at the time , now the price is $169 @ B&H Everyday price. I do see it higher other places. Prices have come down some on 2.5Gbe but with all of the make and models you have shown maybe we will see prices come down with the competition.
It's odd they left out the 8 port (and 5 port version TP-Link TL-SG105) and instead went for the ultra low build quality aliexpress junk model which isn't even certified as safe to use by western authorities. The TL-SG105 has been great on my network, no issues at all.
I have one of the TrendNet 5-port ones, and it seems like it just outright drops VLAN-tagged packets. I don't expect to be able to assign VLANs, but at least pass the packets through unaltered, come on!
Thanks for the review Patrick, just picked up the Monker 8port 2.5gbe managed switch for a Proxmox cluster I am building (3 nodes, dual nic NUCs). Appreciate the very detailed review!
Time to make use of my 10Gbit cable in the house. Been waiting for prices to come down and this review gave pretty good oversight about what's on the market, maybe not now in Europe but the time has come. Great Video as usual ! 👍👍
It would be nice to have the same kind of summary for small switches with 10G capabilities: with at least 2 10G ports, ideally with dual mode 10G baseT and SFP+ ports.
Man this video is right on time. I have been looking at a smaller switch for my computer area in the basement and wanted a 10 gig uplink with 2.5 gig copper ports. Thanks!
Me I would like a 16 port switch of which a couple are 10Gbps at least eight are 2.5Gbps and there is some PoE, a bit of smart management (VLAN's plus turn the power on/off on the PoE ports) and is fanless for the home.
The Zyxel XGS1010-12 is also worth considering. Here in the UK it's only £10 more than the MG-105. It only has 2x 2.5GbE ports but it adds 2x 10GbE so could be very versatile in the home, for example if you have a server you want to connect at 10GbE but don't want the expense of a full 10Gb switch.
We tried to limit to 2.5GbE as a minimum port speed. There are a bunch of switches with 1-2 2.5GbE ports, but with WiFi 6E and soon WiFi 7, folks are going to need at least 2.5GbE to keep up with WiFi.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo That's true, I just think for £10 more you're getting 25Gbps of throughput on fast ports vs 12.5Gbps on the MG-105. And that's not counting the extra 8Gbps you get from the other 8 ports it has. Sacrificing 1x 2.5Gb port to gain 2x 10Gb and 8x 1Gb could be worthwhile for a lot of use cases.
here the ZyXEL XGS1250-12 Managed @ (€ 143,99) is almost the same price as the ZyXEL XGS1010-12 @ (€ € 143,84 ) The ZyXEL XGS1250-12 Managed @ (€ 214,19) is also interesting. It has 8x 1GB + 3x 2.5/5/10G + 1 SFP+ your modem/router, TV/smarttv boxes, POE switch & printer can all go on 1GB ports this leaves 3x 10G ports + 1 sfp+ port free for pc/nas/server...
I actually have the switch mentioned above as it’s a great 10g, 2.5g and 1g options. This videos helpful to me as next time I move I’ll need more 2.5g ports so I’ll add one of these!
My only takeaway from this is 2.5gbps switches are still a bloody ripoff. I can't justify their cost unless they come down to somewhere in the ballpark of $40.
Yea thanks! Finally a video about important hardware. I was searching for a good and not too expensive 2.5 Gb/s ethernet switch for the past months. Thanks for the video! EDIT: With enough 2.5 ports as well.. AND Silent, so no fan!
I got the QNAP QSW-M408-4C. It's a neat little switch with 8 1 gig switches and 4 10g combo ports (either ethernet or optics). It also has a management port. I've really enjoyed it and have used it to test model training over the network.
@@landwolf00 Over the last few years things have gotten nuts, I just purchased a used QSW-M2108-2C from eBay for $285 + tax and ended up being just over $300, new they want $449 for this one, very similar to the M408-4C but this one has 8x 2.5gbe and 2x Combo ports, the M408-4C they want $459, IMO I'd save the money and take native 2.5gbe and loose the extra 2x Combo that the other one gives you but to each his own.
Netgear XS508M 8 Port Switch ,, bought this for $445 B&H now $481 it has 1,2.5,5,10Gbe , this was great for home lab combo 8 Port has Ethernet, or Use Fiber connection. I bought this for small business , put in 10Gbe for Workstations or 2.5Gbe for some Laptops, Unmanged only downside. Patrick can you review and tell us if you like it.
I ended up getting a Zyxel XGS1210-12, 2xSFP+, 2x2.5Gbe, 8x1Gbe for $170 sometime last year. Managed with typical (sorta crappy) Zyxel management software, but it does support VLANs and such. Not sure if OpenWrt works on it yet, but I think probably? I used one of the SFP+ ports to connect the NAS using a $15 DAC, so cheap and low power (at least compared to an 10G ethernet transceiver).
Right now in Amazon Spain, there is a Tenda TEM2010F for only 93€ -All ports are 2.5GbE, 8 Ethernet and 2 SFP -support for VLAN and static agregation to get up to two 5Gbps conections -50gpbs capacitiy and without fans
Thank you for finding me the perfect switch for my current setup, it will fit in nicely between my preexisting 10 & 2.5Gbps networks. I am of course talking about the Hasivo S1100P-8GT PoE+ and it is on its way to me already, cheers!
Based on this video, I decided to purchase the Hasivo S1100-8GT and it has been working flawlessly for my needs. One thing that I *have* been having problems with is finding a good 2.5 Gb PCIe network card that 'just works'. I purchased several TP_-Link TX201 cards that said they 'work with Linux' but going to their website shows that they only support the Kernel "up to 5.17". It will be used in a backup NFS server running TrusNAS Scale.
Ok, I'm an old guy and pretty close to the dullest tool in the shed when it comes to this switch stuff. Here's my situation, and I'd appreciate some information on what to do. Recently I upgraded my internet to fiber 2 gigs, and I'd like to hard-wire the output of the modem/router to 3 other devices the rest can be via WI-FI. I have a Mac Studio with a 10 gig port, a Window PC with a 2.5 gig port, and a Netgear 6E router with a 2.5 gig port (like I said, the rest of the household goodies can get the WI-FI from the router). So correct me if I'm wrong, let's say I buy the QNAP QSW-1105-5T. Do I simply plug the modem/router from ISP into port 1, the Mac into port 2, Windows PC into port 3, and Netgear 6E router into port 4??? Or do I need a switch that is has all 10 gig ports. One more thing, NO AliExpress and I don't need POE.
So long as the as the ISP's router/firewall has a LAN side port then yes. Plug that into the switch and then everything else and you should be fine. The Port 1 will be the uplink to your router/ firewall from the ISP and then everything else on the switch, including clients connected to the connected AP's, will be on the same network. If you wanted something that can use the 10GbE port of the Mac Studio and potentially another 10GbE device, like a NAS, then you could get this QNAP one we reviewed www.servethehome.com/qnap-qsw-2104-2t-a-review-a-4x-2-5gbe-2x-10gbase-t-switch-option/
Thanks for the review. What about the Layer 3 managed Hassivo switch I commented about? What did you think of that? It looks like the one you just reviewed with the 10G SFP ports but with a serial console port. In fact you can see where the socket usually goes on the right when you showed the bare board.
Would be interested in seeing a video about the qnap QSW-M2106PR-2S2T which has 6x 2.5gbe/2x 10gbe with poe++ and 2 sfp+ ports. Looks like provantage carries it for around $600, making it what seems to be the cheapest 2.5g poe++ switch with a 10g port. Still out of my price range so hoping to see more competitors with this feature set.
Thank you. I've been searching for a cheap 2.5/10Gb managed switch for the homelab. I wanted unifi but it wasn't in the budget as I need 2. Hasivo it is 👍
Hi, the Hasivo S600WP-5GT-2S+_SE looks very interesting, but there is a comment on the product page saying it's loosing at least part of its configuration when it's rebooted. Did you encounter that issue? It's a bit of a deal breaker when looking for a managed switch
I'm looking at that also. If it can't hold an IP change, it's really not helpful, though I might just deal with it as I really need vlans, though I want 2 of these, so them having the same ip isn't going to work well 😂. I wish the guy replied with an update to his comment if they got back to him or not.
I have 5Gb from ATT, can you do a video on that? Id love some insight. I struggled to get the right equipment to utilize it. settled on some small mikrotik sfp+ switch, a specific mikrotik rj45 transceiver, and otherwise went 10Gb locally
Thank for making this amazing video, I cant wait to start buying some 2.5GBE switches., Is there anyway to get a matrix with all the prices, etc quick details and your affiliate links?
lol - just bought my 2.5GB switch about 3 weeks ago - wish I had seen this first. However, prices in Canada are crazy, the difference between the 5 and 8 port Trendnet is $149 - with the 8 port model weighing in at $279 (however the 8 port model with POE is about $5 cheaper??)
Wow that is crazy! Sorry this took so long. I was a lot to test and then edit together. This is actually the first video our new editor John did for us that is public.
Even though the 2.5Gbe port only cost .04c per port more than 1gbe ports and I can Buy a 8 Port TP-Link for 21.99 , so does this make 5 2.5 port switch expensive at $100 or so. This seems like 8 Port switch 2.5Gbe could run for $50 and they would still have a lot of profit. Someone explain as if my logic is wrong. Glad to see other points of view.
If you already buy all these switches, I wish you would have compared the hardware platforms used in them. Provide clear photos of both sides of the board and with the heatsinks off of the chips to read the model numbers. A lot of them clearly use the same hardware and any difference in pricing is likely unjustified.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I appreciate the reply, but from what I've seen the text reviews often only have a single or a few photos with the heatsink still on and the images on the site are very low res, even when you click on it. I think this is something you should try to improve, as understanding the hardware will allow you to make better reviews and come to better conclusions.
Hmmmmm, fine, but what are you doing with 4 or 5 ports? Stacking a little tower out of those? Here is some beefy 16 port managed PoE switch with additional 4 10 Gbps ports...QSW-M2116P-2T2S from Qnap....ok, price is also beefy 750 USD....i am running this one for 1.5 years now on a small 12 devices network 3D design network with synology NAS acting as directory server on one 10Gbps LAN port. Works like a charm!
Which of the presented switch models can link more than 2 ports, for example 4 x 2.5GB ports linked for a total of 10Gbps ? I tried to find this info but not stated at all.
@9:58 The TEG-S762 have a new hardware revision called V2.0R. Wondering if you have received this new model as I want to know what’s different inside. Lower production cost or improved components? No more 2 LEDs around ports, now only a single LED/port all on the left side of the unit, prolly to make it less expensive? Also I've read comments on STH review about 5GbE issue and was curious if this have been fixed.
Watching my first handful of STH videos after looking for info on USB C 10Gb adapters, the bottleneck. Looking to leap from 1Gb to 2.5 or 10. I was not prepared for the unacknowledged black gloved hands from off-screen.
Broad question: Say I'm upgrading google fiber to 8GB and I want to get the most out of that on two workstations. If I were to buy a switch that had two 10G ports and four 2.5G ports, the cable from my google router would have to use one of those 10G ports as input right? Therefor I'd only have one more 10G for a single workstation? Would running my google router cable into the 2.5G ports bottle neck the rest of the hardwires that are connected to the 10G as outputs?
Saw today the Vimin VM-250402 for 70$ with 4x2.5Gb and 2 SFP+ 10g, 60 Gbps switching capacity declared. Maybe it deserves a place in this "Switch Guide"
@ServeTheHome, You didn't mention the TP-Link TL-SE1005M from Aliexpres in your video. But when looking at the specs on you site it looks like an unbeatable bargain: Extremely low power consumption at only halve the price! Are there any major disadvantages to this switch?
Amazon seem to sell the QNAP switches discounted every now and again. At least here in Europe. I bought the QNAP QSW-2104-2T (unmanaged 4x2.5Gbps RJ45 + 2x10Gbps RJ45) for around $135 at the start of 2023. That is basically the same as the tested TRENDnet TEG-S762 or the QNAP QSW-2104-2S-A (but with RJ45 instead of SFP+). Even though I don't have any 10GbE equipment at the moment it felt like a good investment for the future, and the 10Gbps ports are multiports so I can run them at 2.5Gbps as well. So right now I'm using it as a 6 port 2.5Gbps switch. :)
Hello patrick this is such a great video as i'm currently looking to make huge upgrades to my home network across the board. Would it be possible somewhere in the near future to continue this ultimate guide series to other categories of networking products you review. Such as those PFSense boxes or firewalls/switches, etc.
We might do something like that. This is an experiment to see if people find this useful. Then we are going to tweak the format. We also need someone or folks to be able to spot new units and refresh these over time. Still learning, so I just want to see what people think about this one. If folks like it and share it, then that would be a good signal we are on to something.
We have iperf3 results in here for every switch and noted the ones that are not sold in the US/ EU primarily due to lacking compliance certifications. Also, we had to test every port with the Fluke tester for PoE type and that is how we found the strange configuration of the Hasivo.
The TEG-S350 is currently €70 and significantly cheaper than other 2.5Gbit switches. Seems like the obvious choice for my simple use of getting my 2.5Gbit internet connection across multiple devices?
I'd love to see a review of TP-link TL-R5408PE-AC which is apparently a China-only router with 4 2.5G and 4 FE ports, POE af\at, 110w total budget, up to 30w per port, looks like a built-in omada controller (not sure, they just say "controller" and curiously do not mention Omada at all), fanless, and about 200 USD price. Wonder if it is really workable (people say you can use the Chinese-only interface via a translator like google translate), if there are any other pitfalls, cause it's really hard to find both 2.5G and POE in one box, with a decent power budget, and here it seems it's also a router\controller (whether it is omada-compatible is an open question though).
Any chance you’re going to review the TP Link TL-ST5008F 8 port 10G managed SFP+ from Ali? Costs around 200€. GUI is in Chinese but read somewhere you can change it in English in the browser settings. CLI is English.
Working on a bunch of these 2.5GbE switches for the main site and a 64x 400GbE switch in April (likely a video for that one.) We did an unmanaged version of that TP-Link I believe th-cam.com/video/aYkicPEDoLE/w-d-xo.html
My biggest problem moving from 1G is the way my network is build in my apartment building. There is single RJ45 for every room and there is multiple computers in every one of those 3 rooms. So I would have to buy 3+1 switches. This is why moving to 2.5G is so expensive. 2 switches would be minimum to get primary computers to 2.5G. One solution would be to buy just one and draw cables across the floor ;)
I guess the next question is, do you need "everything" on 2.5, and whether everything "needs" or is compatible with 2.5. For me it would be two locations with everything else running of 1gig. In your scenario, I too would find myself requiring two switches.
As someone knowledgeable about network switches, could you recommend a PoE++ router and switch combination suitable for operating 4 cameras streaming 4K video over NDI? It seems challenging to find clear information on this topic online.
I've got a question about the TRENDnet TEG-S762, and also broadly about 10G ports. So I'm looking at upgrading Google Fiber to either 5GB or 8GB but for that particular switch he mentioned that it does not support 5GbaseT so does that mean if I were to have Google Fiber at 5GB and even if it were input and output through both of the 10G ports, it would be bottlenecked to 2.5G? and if 5GB internet is bottlenecked what about 8GB? Do 10G ports generally support slower networks than the port like 5GB or if the internet isn't 10G would it go down to 2.5G or the net best supported rate?
2.5g is cool but i live in the 2nd world country of the US where 1gig is generally the limit in most areas and if they offer more its prohibitively expensive and 1 gig is still far too expensive in most markets and thats only 1 gig down you probably get like 50meg up MAYBE 100 with the top tier plan thats going to cost you close to a car payment
The use of mGig is still iffy for now for things shipping with them, as others are saying, I'm really more interested in 10/25gbe tech at home for a desk or tucked in my media shelves. I still use a little juniper ex2200-12 on my desk for my laptop and desktop that is really more of a vm server now, and a dell n1108 for my media, rest is now all 10g to my servers/storage. I can't really find anything like even the 8 port 10g mikrotik only with copper, but leaning that way with some copper base-t sfp+'s. I am watching ebay for a netgear m4300 for the 8-16 port models patiently to be resold at a reasonable price!
I need to upgrade my network, hitting my truenas pools over 1GBe is definitely limiting transfers and my machine to machine transfers aren't great either. Been thinking 10Gbe since 2.5gbe is so pricey relative to the performance, this might sway me though
That is a good idea. I want to see how this one does. The challenge with the larger PoE+/PoE++ switches is that it is harder to find 2.5GbE options, and when you do, they tend to cost a lot more
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I was thinking just 1GB is fine, because you are right, if you go to anything above 1GB with PoE++ then yeah, costs are prohibitive.
Do you have any articles or videos about the benefits/downsides of managed switches vs off-loading those functions onto your firewall/router device? I often find myself struggling to imagine why I'd need a managed switch when my pfsense box seems able to do all that kinda stuff centrally anyway
Patrick, any chance you guys have any of the new Alder Lake fanless firewall boxes from TopTon/KingNovy on order? Looks like a newer chassis with more m.2 slots plus the 1215u/1235u/1265u along with the 6x i226-V could be a good pairing
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Thanks for the response! I definitely hope 7.4 sorts things out. By any chance have you guys looked at whether the DDR4 ran at XMP profile speed? Pairing 12th gen with something like 3200MHz CL-16 sounds groovy, but if it's only going to run at CL-22 there's not much point in opting for the faster memory kits
It took a LONG time to put this together. I think we have 1-2 more switches that we have gotten between buying/ testing these, recording, and editing the video.
I like the one with 2 10GbE ports, but I might be upgrading one of my home network runs to fibre (it's not 10Gb capable, and Cat8 isn't really available right now) so the ones with 2 SFP+ ports may be EXACTLY what I need, just need something bigger to go in my rack to serve it
2.5 is ideal for most people. And at least you don’t have to rewire your house. Also why do manufacturers put the power on the front, just seems so untidy for my OCD 😱
Great video! Curious about the Hasivo & Moberlink and LACP. Do they support VLAG or stacking, so two can be combined and a device plugged in to each will still have aggregation?
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I want cheap and energy efficient 10GbE Switches! Come on, it's about time. I expected to have them a decade ago.
This is as cheap as we can find them.
Energy efficiency in 10gbe would be nice 😊
10 gig is been out for over a decade even if it is optic it should be cheaper than it currently is
Guss staying with used Enterprise is still my go to
@@ACitizen25 I wonder about that sometimes. Some of the older enterprise 10 gig gear is very power hungry. And hot enough youre wasting more energy on cooling. Not so much to justify upgrading last time I ran the numbers, but it was getting there.
@@christopherjackson2157 true depending on generation of it's switch chip it can be more in electrical
But there has been over 5-8 switch chip generation since it was released Enterprise
If you stay in the last 3 or so power per gb of port is quite cheaper then these 2.5 per port cost (ie port electric cost divided 4 for 2.5 g or 10 for 1gb port power comparison)
Sfp or baseT both have there values but sfp if no poe need but T for 10gb poe are wonders on high end wifi backbone
I purchased a SODOLA 5 Port 2.5G Ethernet Switch on Amazon for $87.99 this last December. I've been very happy with it.
10+ GbE or GTFO (to industry not STH; and yeah, I see the uplink ports). I just wanted to say that I appreciate you how are blindly handed a switch at the edge of the frame and you talk about it without skipping a beat! :-)
Bryan and I did a practice hand-off with the QNAP that you saw, then I was like "ok now we just do that 15 times, time to record"
Thank you for taking all of the time to find and review these STH team!
Wow! Thank you!!!
LOVING the new editing and thumbnail designs! Kudos to the editor!!
I bought the TP-Link TL-SG108-M2 8-Port 2.5 Gigabit in December 2021 for $182 and thought this was a great price. Normal price $200 at the time , now the price is $169 @ B&H
Everyday price. I do see it higher other places. Prices have come down some on 2.5Gbe but with all of the make and models you have shown maybe we will see prices come down with the competition.
It's odd they left out the 8 port (and 5 port version TP-Link TL-SG105) and instead went for the ultra low build quality aliexpress junk model which isn't even certified as safe to use by western authorities. The TL-SG105 has been great on my network, no issues at all.
I have one of the TrendNet 5-port ones, and it seems like it just outright drops VLAN-tagged packets. I don't expect to be able to assign VLANs, but at least pass the packets through unaltered, come on!
2024 edition when? :D saw your ienRon review, is it worth getting or should I wait for the updated list?
Targeting March. We keep getting new units. We should also have a little video on two 6-port models next week as well.
Thanks for the review Patrick, just picked up the Monker 8port 2.5gbe managed switch for a Proxmox cluster I am building (3 nodes, dual nic NUCs). Appreciate the very detailed review!
Sounds like a lot of fun.
Time to make use of my 10Gbit cable in the house. Been waiting for prices to come down and this review gave pretty good oversight about what's on the market, maybe not now in Europe but the time has come. Great Video as usual ! 👍👍
Glad we could help!
It would be nice to have the same kind of summary for small switches with 10G capabilities: with at least 2 10G ports, ideally with dual mode 10G baseT and SFP+ ports.
Man this video is right on time. I have been looking at a smaller switch for my computer area in the basement and wanted a 10 gig uplink with 2.5 gig copper ports. Thanks!
Me I would like a 16 port switch of which a couple are 10Gbps at least eight are 2.5Gbps and there is some PoE, a bit of smart management (VLAN's plus turn the power on/off on the PoE ports) and is fanless for the home.
The Zyxel XGS1010-12 is also worth considering. Here in the UK it's only £10 more than the MG-105. It only has 2x 2.5GbE ports but it adds 2x 10GbE so could be very versatile in the home, for example if you have a server you want to connect at 10GbE but don't want the expense of a full 10Gb switch.
We tried to limit to 2.5GbE as a minimum port speed. There are a bunch of switches with 1-2 2.5GbE ports, but with WiFi 6E and soon WiFi 7, folks are going to need at least 2.5GbE to keep up with WiFi.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo That's true, I just think for £10 more you're getting 25Gbps of throughput on fast ports vs 12.5Gbps on the MG-105. And that's not counting the extra 8Gbps you get from the other 8 ports it has. Sacrificing 1x 2.5Gb port to gain 2x 10Gb and 8x 1Gb could be worthwhile for a lot of use cases.
here the ZyXEL XGS1250-12 Managed @ (€ 143,99) is almost the same price as the ZyXEL XGS1010-12 @ (€ € 143,84 )
The ZyXEL XGS1250-12 Managed @ (€ 214,19) is also interesting. It has 8x 1GB + 3x 2.5/5/10G + 1 SFP+
your modem/router, TV/smarttv boxes, POE switch & printer can all go on 1GB ports this leaves 3x 10G ports + 1 sfp+ port free for pc/nas/server...
Careful with Zyxel !! No real 802.3ad LACP support 😬 other than that, they're ok 👍🏻
I actually have the switch mentioned above as it’s a great 10g, 2.5g and 1g options. This videos helpful to me as next time I move I’ll need more 2.5g ports so I’ll add one of these!
We need the Ultimate CHEAP 10GbE Switch Guide! Heelllppp :)
I spoke too soon. It looks like we got some of that too! GIMME MORE! :)
A bit of that in here as well :-)
My only takeaway from this is 2.5gbps switches are still a bloody ripoff. I can't justify their cost unless they come down to somewhere in the ballpark of $40.
Very fair assessment. That is part of why we are doing this series. Prices need to come down.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Price should be around $50 for a 5 Port , I think still enough profit TPlink 5 Port around $14.95 Microcenter
Yea thanks! Finally a video about important hardware. I was searching for a good and not too expensive 2.5 Gb/s ethernet switch for the past months. Thanks for the video! EDIT: With enough 2.5 ports as well.. AND Silent, so no fan!
I got the QNAP QSW-M408-4C. It's a neat little switch with 8 1 gig switches and 4 10g combo ports (either ethernet or optics). It also has a management port. I've really enjoyed it and have used it to test model training over the network.
Great switch
@@floodo1 yeah! I just checked and I got it for 250. It's currently 450!
What cabling do you recommend to see these high speeds?
@@landwolf00 Over the last few years things have gotten nuts, I just purchased a used QSW-M2108-2C from eBay for $285 + tax and ended up being just over $300, new they want $449 for this one, very similar to the M408-4C but this one has 8x 2.5gbe and 2x Combo ports, the M408-4C they want $459, IMO I'd save the money and take native 2.5gbe and loose the extra 2x Combo that the other one gives you but to each his own.
I have the Qnap, and love it, SFP+ from my wall from my rack to this switch and its ROCK solid stable !! Good Video Patrick !!
Thanks for sharing this
Netgear XS508M 8 Port Switch ,, bought this for $445 B&H now $481 it has 1,2.5,5,10Gbe , this was great for home lab combo 8 Port has Ethernet, or Use Fiber connection.
I bought this for small business , put in 10Gbe for Workstations or 2.5Gbe for some Laptops, Unmanged only downside. Patrick can you review and tell us if you like it.
Thanks. was in the market for one of these switches to do testing at home with XGS-PON
Several months ago I got the Zyxel MG-108 an 8 port all 2.5G switch on sale for $130.00 and I bought 2 of them.
I ended up getting a Zyxel XGS1210-12, 2xSFP+, 2x2.5Gbe, 8x1Gbe for $170 sometime last year. Managed with typical (sorta crappy) Zyxel management software, but it does support VLANs and such. Not sure if OpenWrt works on it yet, but I think probably? I used one of the SFP+ ports to connect the NAS using a $15 DAC, so cheap and low power (at least compared to an 10G ethernet transceiver).
Right now in Amazon Spain, there is a Tenda TEM2010F for only 93€
-All ports are 2.5GbE, 8 Ethernet and 2 SFP
-support for VLAN and static agregation to get up to two 5Gbps conections
-50gpbs capacitiy and without fans
We have been doing updates to the main site guide. Just wrapping filming another roundup with ~9 new sub $100 fanless options
Thank you for finding me the perfect switch for my current setup, it will fit in nicely between my preexisting 10 & 2.5Gbps networks. I am of course talking about the Hasivo S1100P-8GT PoE+ and it is on its way to me already, cheers!
Got to find tech tips where you can find them these days....
Yea I was going to send Linus and Jake a note this morning, but I think they have other things to deal with.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Yea I think Linus has some uh problems for sure with his TH-cam account.
Based on this video, I decided to purchase the Hasivo S1100-8GT and it has been working flawlessly for my needs. One thing that I *have* been having problems with is finding a good 2.5 Gb PCIe network card that 'just works'. I purchased several TP_-Link TX201 cards that said they 'work with Linux' but going to their website shows that they only support the Kernel "up to 5.17". It will be used in a backup NFS server running TrusNAS Scale.
Ok, I'm an old guy and pretty close to the dullest tool in the shed when it comes to this switch stuff.
Here's my situation, and I'd appreciate some information on what to do.
Recently I upgraded my internet to fiber 2 gigs, and I'd like to hard-wire the output of the modem/router to 3 other devices the rest can be via WI-FI.
I have a Mac Studio with a 10 gig port, a Window PC with a 2.5 gig port, and a Netgear 6E router with a 2.5 gig port (like I said, the rest of the household goodies can get the WI-FI from the router).
So correct me if I'm wrong, let's say I buy the QNAP QSW-1105-5T. Do I simply plug the modem/router from ISP into port 1, the Mac into port 2, Windows PC into port 3, and Netgear 6E router into port 4???
Or do I need a switch that is has all 10 gig ports.
One more thing, NO AliExpress and I don't need POE.
So long as the as the ISP's router/firewall has a LAN side port then yes. Plug that into the switch and then everything else and you should be fine. The Port 1 will be the uplink to your router/ firewall from the ISP and then everything else on the switch, including clients connected to the connected AP's, will be on the same network.
If you wanted something that can use the 10GbE port of the Mac Studio and potentially another 10GbE device, like a NAS, then you could get this QNAP one we reviewed www.servethehome.com/qnap-qsw-2104-2t-a-review-a-4x-2-5gbe-2x-10gbase-t-switch-option/
I like the QNAP with the 2 SFP+ ports. I'm in the process of upgrading my home network to 10gb (trunks) - so this is a great feature.
Thanks for the review. What about the Layer 3 managed Hassivo switch I commented about? What did you think of that? It looks like the one you just reviewed with the 10G SFP ports but with a serial console port. In fact you can see where the socket usually goes on the right when you showed the bare board.
Would be interested in seeing a video about the qnap QSW-M2106PR-2S2T which has 6x 2.5gbe/2x 10gbe with poe++ and 2 sfp+ ports. Looks like provantage carries it for around $600, making it what seems to be the cheapest 2.5g poe++ switch with a 10g port. Still out of my price range so hoping to see more competitors with this feature set.
Will add that to the list.
Great and timely review! Really good content from you folks in the past 12 months... kudoes!
Thank you so much Ben. We are going to have mroe on the behind-the-scenes tomorrow in my quarterly letter form the editor on the STH main site.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Say no more 😊
Your content is both impressive and appreciated!
Thank you. I've been searching for a cheap 2.5/10Gb managed switch for the homelab. I wanted unifi but it wasn't in the budget as I need 2. Hasivo it is 👍
I did the same. Looking for a 10gbase-t transceiver to breakout to my tl-sx1008 switch
Hi, the Hasivo S600WP-5GT-2S+_SE looks very interesting, but there is a comment on the product page saying it's loosing at least part of its configuration when it's rebooted. Did you encounter that issue? It's a bit of a deal breaker when looking for a managed switch
I'm looking at that also. If it can't hold an IP change, it's really not helpful, though I might just deal with it as I really need vlans, though I want 2 of these, so them having the same ip isn't going to work well 😂. I wish the guy replied with an update to his comment if they got back to him or not.
I have 5Gb from ATT, can you do a video on that? Id love some insight. I struggled to get the right equipment to utilize it. settled on some small mikrotik sfp+ switch, a specific mikrotik rj45 transceiver, and otherwise went 10Gb locally
I am jealous! 5Gbps is hard these days. Sounds like a decent setup. What are you using for the router/ firewall?
Thank for making this amazing video, I cant wait to start buying some 2.5GBE switches., Is there anyway to get a matrix with all the prices, etc quick details and your affiliate links?
The main site article will have all of these plus 1-2 more listed with prices/ power and such.
I simply love everything that show up in this video, pleasant experience to watch a tech video which is very rare...😅
Thank you!
lol - just bought my 2.5GB switch about 3 weeks ago - wish I had seen this first. However, prices in Canada are crazy, the difference between the 5 and 8 port Trendnet is $149 - with the 8 port model weighing in at $279 (however the 8 port model with POE is about $5 cheaper??)
Wow that is crazy! Sorry this took so long. I was a lot to test and then edit together. This is actually the first video our new editor John did for us that is public.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo not at all, I enjoy your videos - thanks for all the good work!
Even though the 2.5Gbe port only cost .04c per port more than 1gbe ports and I can Buy a 8 Port TP-Link for 21.99 , so does this make 5 2.5 port switch expensive at $100 or so.
This seems like 8 Port switch 2.5Gbe could run for $50 and they would still have a lot of profit. Someone explain as if my logic is wrong. Glad to see other points of view.
If you already buy all these switches, I wish you would have compared the hardware platforms used in them. Provide clear photos of both sides of the board and with the heatsinks off of the chips to read the model numbers. A lot of them clearly use the same hardware and any difference in pricing is likely unjustified.
We have the teardowns on the individual switch reviews on the STH main site.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I appreciate the reply, but from what I've seen the text reviews often only have a single or a few photos with the heatsink still on and the images on the site are very low res, even when you click on it. I think this is something you should try to improve, as understanding the hardware will allow you to make better reviews and come to better conclusions.
If I could get one of those Hasivo switches with rack ears, that would be perfect!!!
Hmmmmm, fine, but what are you doing with 4 or 5 ports? Stacking a little tower out of those? Here is some beefy 16 port managed PoE switch with additional 4 10 Gbps ports...QSW-M2116P-2T2S from Qnap....ok, price is also beefy 750 USD....i am running this one for 1.5 years now on a small 12 devices network 3D design network with synology NAS acting as directory server on one 10Gbps LAN port. Works like a charm!
Which of the presented switch models can link more than 2 ports, for example 4 x 2.5GB ports linked for a total of 10Gbps ? I tried to find this info but not stated at all.
btw MS108UP has a managed sibling MS108EUP which costs 20 bucks more.
thanks for the awesome video! ive been looking for a cheap managed 2.5 gigabit POE+ switch for AGES and i didnt even know about the hasivo lol
I had no idea either until the team found them awhile ago.
@9:58 The TEG-S762 have a new hardware revision called V2.0R. Wondering if you have received this new model as I want to know what’s different inside. Lower production cost or improved components? No more 2 LEDs around ports, now only a single LED/port all on the left side of the unit, prolly to make it less expensive?
Also I've read comments on STH review about 5GbE issue and was curious if this have been fixed.
Watching my first handful of STH videos after looking for info on USB C 10Gb adapters, the bottleneck. Looking to leap from 1Gb to 2.5 or 10.
I was not prepared for the unacknowledged black gloved hands from off-screen.
Broad question: Say I'm upgrading google fiber to 8GB and I want to get the most out of that on two workstations. If I were to buy a switch that had two 10G ports and four 2.5G ports, the cable from my google router would have to use one of those 10G ports as input right? Therefor I'd only have one more 10G for a single workstation? Would running my google router cable into the 2.5G ports bottle neck the rest of the hardwires that are connected to the 10G as outputs?
I just ordered my mokerlink 9 port switch , will let you know how it goes:)
Saw today the Vimin VM-250402 for 70$ with 4x2.5Gb and 2 SFP+ 10g, 60 Gbps switching capacity declared. Maybe it deserves a place in this "Switch Guide"
Would have been nice if you had put the model numbers up on the screen again at the end when making your picks.
We have the main site guide with the picks and more units as we update
@ServeTheHome,
You didn't mention the TP-Link TL-SE1005M from Aliexpres in your video. But when looking at the specs on you site it looks like an unbeatable bargain: Extremely low power consumption at only halve the price!
Are there any major disadvantages to this switch?
We did a September update, and in that cost bracket there are now options with 10GbE th-cam.com/video/IdLWAwxU0ds/w-d-xo.html
Amazon seem to sell the QNAP switches discounted every now and again. At least here in Europe. I bought the QNAP QSW-2104-2T (unmanaged 4x2.5Gbps RJ45 + 2x10Gbps RJ45) for around $135 at the start of 2023. That is basically the same as the tested TRENDnet TEG-S762 or the QNAP QSW-2104-2S-A (but with RJ45 instead of SFP+). Even though I don't have any 10GbE equipment at the moment it felt like a good investment for the future, and the 10Gbps ports are multiports so I can run them at 2.5Gbps as well. So right now I'm using it as a 6 port 2.5Gbps switch. :)
Hello patrick this is such a great video as i'm currently looking to make huge upgrades to my home network across the board. Would it be possible somewhere in the near future to continue this ultimate guide series to other categories of networking products you review. Such as those PFSense boxes or firewalls/switches, etc.
We might do something like that. This is an experiment to see if people find this useful. Then we are going to tweak the format. We also need someone or folks to be able to spot new units and refresh these over time. Still learning, so I just want to see what people think about this one. If folks like it and share it, then that would be a good signal we are on to something.
Did you test any performance and standards compliance? Or just power and specs?
We have iperf3 results in here for every switch and noted the ones that are not sold in the US/ EU primarily due to lacking compliance certifications. Also, we had to test every port with the Fluke tester for PoE type and that is how we found the strange configuration of the Hasivo.
The TEG-S350 is currently €70 and significantly cheaper than other 2.5Gbit switches. Seems like the obvious choice for my simple use of getting my 2.5Gbit internet connection across multiple devices?
My beef with netgear and tplink switches is the JavaScript phoning home and/or to nag to register the device.
On unmanaged at least no prompt to register
I'd love to see a review of TP-link TL-R5408PE-AC which is apparently a China-only router with 4 2.5G and 4 FE ports, POE af\at, 110w total budget, up to 30w per port, looks like a built-in omada controller (not sure, they just say "controller" and curiously do not mention Omada at all), fanless, and about 200 USD price.
Wonder if it is really workable (people say you can use the Chinese-only interface via a translator like google translate), if there are any other pitfalls, cause it's really hard to find both 2.5G and POE in one box, with a decent power budget, and here it seems it's also a router\controller (whether it is omada-compatible is an open question though).
We have a few more of these Chinese market switches coming.
Any chance you’re going to review the TP Link TL-ST5008F 8 port 10G managed SFP+ from Ali? Costs around 200€. GUI is in Chinese but read somewhere you can change it in English in the browser settings. CLI is English.
Working on a bunch of these 2.5GbE switches for the main site and a 64x 400GbE switch in April (likely a video for that one.) We did an unmanaged version of that TP-Link I believe th-cam.com/video/aYkicPEDoLE/w-d-xo.html
Have we determined which 10gbase-T transeivers would be compatible with the hasivo X600WP ?
Awesome video, really helpful to see all these side by side
My biggest problem moving from 1G is the way my network is build in my apartment building. There is single RJ45 for every room and there is multiple computers in every one of those 3 rooms. So I would have to buy 3+1 switches. This is why moving to 2.5G is so expensive. 2 switches would be minimum to get primary computers to 2.5G. One solution would be to buy just one and draw cables across the floor ;)
I guess the next question is, do you need "everything" on 2.5, and whether everything "needs" or is compatible with 2.5.
For me it would be two locations with everything else running of 1gig. In your scenario, I too would find myself requiring two switches.
That was a fun romp! Good job condensing and presenting some choices.
Glad you liked it!
There is a QNAP model with 2 10Ge/ 4 2.5Ge rj45 ports too QSW-2104-2T-A-US
I think we have that one on order. We are going to keep adding to the main site Buyer's Guide.
I need one with 2x Fiber + 8x Copper ports the 8x ports should also be able todo poe+/..
Missed the TL-SG105-M2 and TL-SG108-M2 switches as well.
Added to the list for after we get though this set. We already have a few additional units inbound.
As someone knowledgeable about network switches, could you recommend a PoE++ router and switch combination suitable for operating 4 cameras streaming 4K video over NDI? It seems challenging to find clear information on this topic online.
I've got a question about the TRENDnet TEG-S762, and also broadly about 10G ports. So I'm looking at upgrading Google Fiber to either 5GB or 8GB but for that particular switch he mentioned that it does not support 5GbaseT so does that mean if I were to have Google Fiber at 5GB and even if it were input and output through both of the 10G ports, it would be bottlenecked to 2.5G? and if 5GB internet is bottlenecked what about 8GB? Do 10G ports generally support slower networks than the port like 5GB or if the internet isn't 10G would it go down to 2.5G or the net best supported rate?
2.5g is cool but i live in the 2nd world country of the US where 1gig is generally the limit in most areas and if they offer more its prohibitively expensive and 1 gig is still far too expensive in most markets and thats only 1 gig down you probably get like 50meg up MAYBE 100 with the top tier plan thats going to cost you close to a car payment
2.5GbE is also used for LAN so moving things to/from a NAS even if the WAN is slower.
broooo I was just looking for these, perfect timing thank you!!!
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This one took a LONG time to do. We bought all of these switches ~8 weeks ago.
The cost difference between 2.5 and 10gigabit is really not much in the grand scheme of things.
What about the Trendnet TEG-3102WS? (8) 2.5Gbe and (2) 10Gbe SFP+ with web management.
Thank you for your service Sir. I felt alone before stumbling on this video.
The use of mGig is still iffy for now for things shipping with them, as others are saying, I'm really more interested in 10/25gbe tech at home for a desk or tucked in my media shelves. I still use a little juniper ex2200-12 on my desk for my laptop and desktop that is really more of a vm server now, and a dell n1108 for my media, rest is now all 10g to my servers/storage. I can't really find anything like even the 8 port 10g mikrotik only with copper, but leaning that way with some copper base-t sfp+'s. I am watching ebay for a netgear m4300 for the 8-16 port models patiently to be resold at a reasonable price!
Why didn't you review the QNAP QSW-2104-2? It's got RJ45 10Gbe rather than SFP.
another brand you can look at is sodola. range goes from $95.99 for 5 port non poe to $179.99 for 8 port poe.
Where do you get those from?
@@ServeTheHomeVideo amazon
I need to upgrade my network, hitting my truenas pools over 1GBe is definitely limiting transfers and my machine to machine transfers aren't great either. Been thinking 10Gbe since 2.5gbe is so pricey relative to the performance, this might sway me though
You can do it!
Can you do a round up of PoE switches with internal power supplies (no power brick). I’m looking for something with 16 ports with PoE+ or PoE++.
That is a good idea. I want to see how this one does. The challenge with the larger PoE+/PoE++ switches is that it is harder to find 2.5GbE options, and when you do, they tend to cost a lot more
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I was thinking just 1GB is fine, because you are right, if you go to anything above 1GB with PoE++ then yeah, costs are prohibitive.
Do you have any articles or videos about the benefits/downsides of managed switches vs off-loading those functions onto your firewall/router device? I often find myself struggling to imagine why I'd need a managed switch when my pfsense box seems able to do all that kinda stuff centrally anyway
Good idea. I will send this to Rohit on our team.
Just have had a look through your video list and I can't find any video where you showcase 2.5GbE ethernet cards.
I would love to see similar comparison for 24 or more port switches.
That is the goal, it is just buying 15x of those is a lot more expensive
Patrick, any chance you guys have any of the new Alder Lake fanless firewall boxes from TopTon/KingNovy on order? Looks like a newer chassis with more m.2 slots plus the 1215u/1235u/1265u along with the 6x i226-V could be a good pairing
We have one. It was having issues with Proxmox VE 7.3. We need to retry with 7.4 but ran out of time last week
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Thanks for the response! I definitely hope 7.4 sorts things out. By any chance have you guys looked at whether the DDR4 ran at XMP profile speed? Pairing 12th gen with something like 3200MHz CL-16 sounds groovy, but if it's only going to run at CL-22 there's not much point in opting for the faster memory kits
Thanks for this!!! Been wishing you would do exactly this
It took a LONG time to put this together. I think we have 1-2 more switches that we have gotten between buying/ testing these, recording, and editing the video.
I like the one with 2 10GbE ports, but I might be upgrading one of my home network runs to fibre (it's not 10Gb capable, and Cat8 isn't really available right now) so the ones with 2 SFP+ ports may be EXACTLY what I need, just need something bigger to go in my rack to serve it
I was wondering are the invisible switch donating black hands owned by Mrs ServeTheHome???
Actually those hands are Bryan who does our photos/ B-roll
Patrick, I am super jealous of all the toys you get to play with!
Right now it feels like a burden. So much to review. So little time. That is why we are expanding the team.
Do those Switches perform as expected? At full capacity, they still work?
We showed iperf3 for all ports on the switches in each overview segment
2.5 is ideal for most people. And at least you don’t have to rewire your house. Also why do manufacturers put the power on the front, just seems so untidy for my OCD 😱
Hi, nice video, thanks. This hasivo unit, I can see some complains in Aliexpress saying that you can't change the management IP? Can you confirm that?
I am waiting for Netgear to release an 8-port version of their MS105.
Great video! Curious about the Hasivo & Moberlink and LACP.
Do they support VLAG or stacking, so two can be combined and a device plugged in to each will still have aggregation?
I want a 2 port 2.5G POE++ switch with two 10G SFP+ ports for WiFi 6E APs with a SFP+ backhaul to my NAS and to my Router.
Will you be doing a review on the Mikrotik CRS510?
Not as part of the 2.5GbE series, but yes if/ when we can get one.
I have had great luck with my 10gtek 2.5 switch
Had to get them from eBay tho
Abandoned at the Rewind, and it looked like an interesting video.
nowadays there no brands going for like 38 usd on amazon for the 5 ports and like 50 for 8
Pushing the market is important.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo for sure, hopefully the known brands will follow with reduced prices
I'm skipping 2.5GbE even though it's becoming common on clients -- 1GbE to 10GbE is the step.
Nice display of hardware in the background, i can easily recognize an insane Microtik 100G switch :)
Heh. That is actually one of the least exotic/ expensive pieces in the background.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Hahahaha i see lol Have a great weekend ahead 🙏🏽💪🏽
I cant wait for a Mikrotik CRS's with 2.5Gbit ports and multiple SFP+/SFP28 Uplinks
6:20 Yep....I saw the BIS certification of INDIAN govt ..... and the INDIAN plug.....