I'm one of those that kept asking for this type of switch. 10Gbase-T gets more people in the game without the need for new cabling, or media converters. Add a few 10Gb NICs to your systems and this is a drop in upgrade for a small LAN or lab setup. Netgear or a similar company is just leaving money on the table by not getting a design like that certified, slap a warranty on it and painting it in their color scheme. I'd snap one up quickly for my home setup.
Agreed, it seems like these switch makers are so reluctant to push 10GBase-T switches for the home....it seems like every low cost 10gig switch comes with SFP+, and you can't run DACs in your walls and 99.99% of home owners are not running fiber....I just don't get it
Just to note, it looks as thought the fan headers are on the non POE board for the second set of fans. They are just below the power supply input on the main board, so if you get you two more fans for the non POE as long as you can get he right header connector you should be GTG.
ZOMG! this is EXAAAACTLY WHAT I WANTED!!! (i've been complaining on the 2.5g switch video comments about how there's no cheap and decent-enough 10g switches around) THANK YOU for reviewing this! this looks fantastic!
Great. Finally after only 20 years since the standard was released in 2002 we finally have affordable 10GBit Ethernet. Will it now take to 2045 to get 100GBit?
What about the USW-Aggregation switch from Ubiquiti? Fully managed 10G SFP+ 8 port switch for $269. And with SFP+ you can choose what cabling you want to use; DAC, Fiber, RJ-45... I'm using DAC cables and a RJ-45 module to connect my NAS and servers together.
True, but then you will spend another $400-450 to get all the ports as 10Gbase-T, have higher power consumption than this switch, and not get PoE+. SFP+ switches are cheap, that is not even the least expensive one out there. 10Gbase-T switches are more costly which is why this is a breakthrough.
One of the important items you briefly covered was an option for the Management VLAN selection. This is MISSING from so many of the NetGear and TP-Link managed products and lacking this is a total FULL STOP for me. At the price, these are now within reach for my next home network upgrade. Thanks for helping me discover these affordable options.
@@jimatperfromix2759 You didn't ask me, but I have similar sentiment. Having VLAN management is close to only thing I want my ("smart") switch to do. Why? If you do a home lab sort of environment and you want to still do it right way, you want to separate networks. Not just subnets, but VLANs as well. Eg if you do virtualization (which is common for home labs today) you want heartbeat in one VLAN, storage in separate VLAN, clients in another VLAN, and so on. You just don't want these mixing and is usually suggested as a supported way to do it. Except VLANs, I'd probably use STP, maybe MAC filtering on occasion, a little system health info, and extremely rarely port mirroring and port binding. I believe I've seen everything mentioned and way more in this "simple" switch. Web UI might look basic in design, but they have more options than smart Cisco (Linksys) lines such as SG500. 8 ports is just perfect for home lab or branch office and the likes. Having support for 100Mbps/1G/2.5G in addition to 10G covers everything. If you need more just get another dumb switch with 10G or similar uplink and 8-16 1G ports and that's it. This looks so nice, that I'm adding this to my to-do list, once I get some time to check it out some more, and maybe even order one. Sounds like a bomb! :) Edit: Actually one thing I did not see, that's for me to check... If this switch supports RDMA / RoCE... I really can't think of anything else of importance for this level of switch
@@luxzg Yea, VLAN is a must from lets-say 4+ devices. Even just for the "management" VLAN for administration interface for all APs, switches. Just to separate things and strip down possible attack vector. And if you have IOT/smart things, cameras, smart TVS... VLAN separation is just must-have these days. Another example: you can have separate VLAN for guest wifi and allow access to the internet only (and not to your home devices...)
@@jimatperfromix2759I went in that rabbithole recently. Vlan management on ghe switch allows you to separate the configuration port for your equipement from your usual vlan. All your personal on a vlan & all switch, routers configuration access on another vlan. Your firewall will be used to allows exchange between your main vlan & your management vlan.
I bought the non POE version, and it definitely came with rackmount ears. There are only two fan cutouts in the rear of my chassis. Management does not support IPv6. Saving changes is kinda cisco-like in that you have to hit save and they apply, but they're not saved. To save though a reboot you have to "copy running-config startup-config" either in the console or in the webgui. It DOES support SSH and HTTPS but you have to generate keys for that to work, and that single function isn't in the webui, so.... telnet it was for a short time. There is no serial console port, so in-band management only. And for the price, I don't really care. Firmware updates is the single concern - I can't find a firmware anywhere, and the switch could be hard to recover without a real console port.
Don't they also dominate a lot of the consumer 1Gbe switch market as well in terms of switch chips? I admittedly haven't looked into it in detail, but that was my understanding.
It's about time these 10Gbit (semi-) managed switches started coming down in price! In my case the PoE version is currently priced at € 320,48 + 40,13 shipping. That's still not cheap imo, but it is finally in my price range. That's 110 more than what i paid for my SG300-52P gigabit switch. Hasivo will probably increase their prices now that we're all going to place our orders, based on this video!
I think you're right about them boosting the price… right now I see it at €425 _including_ shipping, so that's €65 more than you saw it three months ago!
It's nice to see that you can build good 10GBase-T switches using a cheap platform. Since it's likely based on someone else's reference design, hopefully other lesser known manufacturers (Mokerlink, etc.) will use the same design but go through the effort of regulatory compliance testing for a slight mark-up. I doubt the well-known brands will do so until these type of switches become more readily available.
As far as seconding the motion that more manufacturers (especially ones whose products can be bought on Amazon or Walmart or Best Buy), I'd say, yeah, why would would anybody buy an 8-port 2.5 Gbps switch when you could get one that handles 10 Mbps, 100 Mbps, 1 Gbps, 2.5 Gbps, 5 Gbps and 10 Gbps instead for a couple bucks more? It seems to me that the NetGears and TP-Links and Linksyses of the world have really dropped the ball on the potential of the Prosumer marketplace. You didn't mention, did you test it for full switch-speed bandwidth from all 8 in to all 7 others out? One would think it would have to meet that spec to be called a switch, but who knows about these cheap ones - maybe no regulatory certs means not guaranteed to do anything in particular. You say it operates at layer 3, which would be good if done right, but what if it's really only a router, not a switch-when-you-can-otherwise-route box? How good was the manual, if any provided?
@@jimatperfromix2759most of these vids have a corresponding article on the main site, and they are usually much more detailed. You might find the answers there. I would have checked before making my comment but I am currently using voice-to-text while driving (my passenger is the one actually pressing the buttons so I am not breaking any laws, but he isn’t really all that interested in tech).
@@jimatperfromix2759 Yeah, very odd the major players haven't jumped in the game, perhaps there are limitations to these designs that we're not aware of - like you said, perhaps there is a bottleneck in the controllers or something else?
I just received my Hasivo S1100WP-8XGT-SE switch today that I ordered on 3-2-24 for $320 with free shipping. So that's about 3 weeks. The box arrived looking like it passed through a Ukrainian war zone, but the item managed to remain unscathed even with its minimal packing protection. Today's prices, as of 3-22-24 the S1100WP-8XGT-SE is $282.40 and the Managed Switch without POE (S1100W-8XGT-SE) is $256.00, also with free shipping. I may well buy the S1100W-8XGT-SE to connect the rest of my house to 10Gbase-T 10GbE. At this time, I see no point in upgrading my existing home network to 2.5GbE as it seems to be getting obsolete before it becomes the mainstream upgrade from 1GbE. These switches handle it all 1GbE, 2.5GbE, 5GbE and 10GbE and work perfectly with my existing Cat6 cabling.
All ports are not equal. Does anyone know what sort of performance these low end switches get? How long do they last? How many of us bought Netgear's Pro switches only to have them last a year at best. And of course support was nonexistent. Further, with some - but not all - of these low end switches you probably would be wise to monitor any port connected to the WAN. You see some very interesting traffic sometimes to IP addresses that you cannot trace. I'd not that power supply is very low grade. It does not seem to have much in the way of primary filtering so I'd expect it will not handle poor AC in / dips and the like and of course any RFI it has in the box will flow right back out onto your main power line. This could include anything coming back on the POE lines as well.
Definitely want to see more affordable 8 port 10gbps switches on the market. I feel like with the rising popularity and speed of NAS particularly SSD based NAS investing in 2.5 or 5 gaps switches is a bit of a false economy and a potential bottleneck. Fantastic and enjoyable reviews, I look forward to seeing new kit. I'd love to see reviews on wider range of things like small board computers like r.pis, add ons to make clusters to bigger desktop and server mobo for people who like to build their own equipment Oh and it would be useful to see a feature/cost comparison table for all equipment tested so it's easier to shortlist candidate equipment and focus on appropriate video
Ubiquiti has their L2 USW-Aggregation SPF+ for $269 which isn't bad for a server to server or server to switch 10Gb small lab option. If you needed RJ45 you can always add some, but only up to 4. So if you can get away with server to server SPF+ for the majority of your connections it gives you some options. Granted you are going to pay probably $35-40 a port for the SPF+ to RJ45 up to 4 ports if needed. Depending on your DAC versus fiber usage or RJ45 ports you can certainly get up there, but at least these would have the regulator approval and still fully kitted out would be cheaper than competitors unmanaged options.
That is SFP+. SFP+ switches are less expensive since you would need to add more costly fiber, 10Gbase-T adapters, or DACs. 10Gbase-T is much more expensive.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo 10Gbase-T, basically the wire is cheap is the upside. SFP+ just like the switches, network cards also tend to be cheaper than 10Gbase-T. If you look at the Connect-X 3 or lower depending on OS support requirements. I noticed most if not all of your tested clients seemed to be using built in 10Gb RJ45 ports. Really it boils down to are you upgrading to 10Gb because you already have 10Gb capable RJ45 clients and servers or are you green fielding 10Gb to your lab. Green field its all down to port mix and if most of your lab 10Gb connections can run DAC cables. If you already have 6-7 RJ45 10Gb NICs one of these switches is the better option.
If these switch makers just put some effort into getting some 10GBase-T switches in the hands of consumers, it'd drive the price down....they're refusal to make anything but SFP+ switches really frustrates me
Is there a switch like this that has sfp+ ports instead of rj45? I want to use dac cables in the rack not lossy hot rj45's that would mean all the servers that have spf+ ports would have to also have hot lossy hbics and force the servers to have more of a power load. Thanks. @servethehomevideo
It's a great review and a decent deal, but the comment about "no regulatory marking" is more serious than you might think. This means that these switches were not tested for things like electrical safety. For a device that's intended to be running 24/7/365 in an unattended environment, the lack of even a basic safety check is a non-starter for me. The coil hum that Patrick mentions is a big red flag for electrical safety -- and probably the reason this switch didn't pass any certification. If you have it installed somewhere and it causes an electrical fire, you may have insurance problems. Proceed with caution.
I'm not arguing on most of your points, but coil whine, or coil hum as you called it, is not a red flag of any kind. If it was more than half of everything that has gotten the stamp of approval would be gone. No one likes it, but it's one of these things that just keeps cropping up. Annoying and irritating yes. Dangerous no. From what little we saw of the innards these looked decently built. The PSU was well separated from the rest with a generous airgap. But we didn't get a good view of the power supply. Now as an old cranky man I'm surprised at how many dangerous PSU designs there are that's being sold today. Mostly I'm surprised because there is very little in the way of secrets about how to design a safe PSU. And the added cost of manufacture is so incredibly small it's next to nothing. Remember, good design doesn't add cost. It makes things simpler, cheaper to manufacture, safer, and reduces the failure rate. At least that's how industrial design is supposed to work.
I posted this in another comment, but if you live in a house that adheres to common electrical codes, ensure the box is grounded (using that ground point they provide) and you'll be fine. Even if there is a catastrophic electrical failure internally, the resulting ground fault would trip the circuit breaker you're plugged into. The worst case I could imagine, you'd also need to replace the Ethernet interfaces in the connected endpoints (because the magnetic isolators were fried). If that's still not good enough, open frame power supply modules like they're using internally can be bought from electronic parts suppliers like Mouser and Digi-Key. Buy a reputable one that supplies the same power, slap it in, and that's the worst of your electrical risk mitigated for not a lot more money. Now, if you DON'T live in a house that adheres to common electrical codes, it's a different story...
Thanks for taking the time to do price options and alternatives for the video. That will help keep this video relevant as market changes over months/years to let people see relative costs over time. I enjoyed this video, and was thinking this morning you could probably do a few high quality "long-term" reviews on products you've had silently running for months/years. I know there's a constant revolving door of things coming and going for you, but consumers (such as myself) value reliability over sticker price highly. Hearing from you about the "silent warriors" of your business that just work and don't require constant attention could be extremely useful. This could also be an opportunity to talk about the STH Editor's Choice awards and show us a bit more behind the curtain as to what it takes for you to give the nod to the best of the best.
Out of the whole video the onky think that caught my attention was the small reverse poe board, I would love a video adding one of those boards ($6 in ali) to a regular cheap switch.
I know it does not have PoE, but the Ubiquiti USW-Aggregation is 8-port SFP+ for $270. You can add RJ45 adapters as needed, then you get the option for optical or DAC. All in, it might not be cheaper, but the equipment is very good.
@@ko260 the USW-Aggregation only supports four 10GBase-T transceivers. So the best you could do would be four fiber connections with four RJ45 transceivers
@@GCTWorks Not sure, but probably a little but of both. It has a 36W power supply with a max power consumption of 30W and on average I think 10GBase-T transceivers do around 3W of pull.
@@GCTWorks Think it's mostly thermals. The user guide even recommends you stagger the Base-T transceivers so they're not plugged in next to each other.
That would be good to test in addition to general port speed and PoE capabilities. This switch would make a lot of sense in a mixed 10/2.5G environment.
Aliexpress is now showing 5 RJ45, 1 10G SFP+ port switches with/without POE) POE5XGT 10GSFP ($255) or 5XGT 10GSFP ($215). Probably will be looking to buy when Black Friday pricing appears.
It might be worth STH's time to have some rudimentary power supply test gear and have a look at these uncertified POE switches that are dealing with 200W+. Maybe a joint vid with GamersNexus?
250$ for Chinese unknow brand is not that dirt cheap.... On top of that, they are already around 50$ more expensive with the release of the video. What you are saving in cost, you are giving away in support or firmware updates.
This is exactly what I have been looking for. The only concern is the security/firmware. At this price it may be worth using for a low risk environment.
When you were talking about the other brands, I'm surprised you didn't mention the MikroTik CRS312-4C+8XG-RM. 12 x 10Gbps ports, fully managed (same OS as their routers). You can usually find it for less than $550 shipped.
@@post-leftluddite It has 12x 10G Ethernet ports and 4x shared SFP Ports - the SFP Ports are mutually exclusive with the 4 Ethernet ports closest to them (as in, you can use EITHER the ethernet OR the SFP for those 4 ports). For software, it runs Microtik's RouterOS (if you want full featured switch management) and SwitchOS (if you want a much more simplified managed switch feature set). I am using this unit in my personal home lab and it runs well. I paid ~$550 for it 3 years ago or so.
I moved to fiber home network using cheap 10g sfp+ cards. (I picked up another 3 for $12 each last month). It's been nothing but amazing so far. Pre-terminated LC connections, and simply plug in and play for my sfp modules has been as easy as using ethernet in the past. I just wish motherboards had built in 10g sfp cards for my next set of PC builds, but I can just reuse the cards I have. With a little luck, the switches will start to filter down to the home labs cheap as things start to move to 40/100gb setups.
And I know I have seen some of the older Intel-based, 4-port SFP+ NICs available for decent prices as well. If you feel comfy running fiber or have good access to compatible, low-priced 10BasedT adapters, it is almost within pricing to build your own switch from retired desktops (like a Z170 board with a 6700, even better if it is one of the WS boards that had PLX chips for PCIe switching).
@@Cynyr Just get the OEM rebranded ones. HPe pn 518001-001 they are mellanox 2 dual port or Solarflare cards, the S6102 is a dual port overlooked because it's not a mellanox but the cards work fine in linux/windows
@@Wav10001 we have a 24port patch panel, had keystones for ethernet. Ethernet down to wall mounted boxes/faceplates with keystone jacks, where a small ethernet plugs in to pc, console etc. as expected. When we moved to fiber, we pulled the fiber to the same wall faceplate and just swapped out a rj45 keystone for a lc Om3 ones to match the fibre we're using. They are the coupler type, so just plug in fiber run in the back. Same at the patch panel. We left some ethernet in the rooms, like we have consoles, printers etc still.
Of course I and many others want to see validated products like this. Validation is a once off cost, spread over the 1000s sold. (At least they didn't put fake stickers on.) Thanks for the review.
The hard part is 10GbE over twisted pair. It's basically an entire modem on each port. The innovation is in the RTL8264. RealTek doesn't even market the chip yet. So, these were probably custom designed for Hasivo. Besides those chips, any box builder could make this. Strike a deal with RealTek and anyone could build this box for this price.
All my computers motherboards have had 10gb ports for years, yet I am still running on a 1Gb switch. Funny how the MB makers started supporting it so long before the switch makers.
the problem is no warranty unless you want to pay 100$ for shipment anything back to China, because they will always ask you to send back the product, GL with that. i would rather to pay that money upfront and buy something with real warranty and regular firmware update.
Based on a post from OpenWRT about a similar type, my guess is: Realtek, which runs U-boot and Linux. The other model is: F1100W-8S+ Board: RTL9300 CPU:800MHz LX:175MHz DDR:600MHz DRAM: 256 MB
Wow! This is exactly what I’ve been looking for. You’re absolutely spot on. Nothing comes close to this price point. Really big, big bummer about the regulatory compliance labels. As this is something I would want to throw in my network closet, my biggest fear it would catch fire. It probably wouldn’t, however, what would give someone a sense of comfort that they passed some sort of electrical standard?
If you live in a house that adheres to common electrical codes, ensure the box is grounded (using that ground point they provide) and you'll be fine. Even if there is a catastrophic electrical failure internally, the resulting ground fault would trip the circuit breaker you're plugged into. The worst case I could imagine, you'd also need to replace the Ethernet interfaces in the connected endpoints (because the magnetic isolators were fried). If that's still not good enough, open frame power supply modules like they're using internally can be bought from electronic parts suppliers like Mouser and Digi-Key. Buy a reputable one that supplies the same power, slap it in, and that's the worst of your electrical risk mitigated for not a lot more money.
When I see these prices I always ask why not SFP+. Yeah a fiber run costs more but look at the power draw and heat of 10GBaseT. Check out Mikrotik switches to see where I'm coming from about price.
I'll second that emotion. But I'm afraid such a beast may not exist, currently. Wendell of Leve1Techs recently scoured square miles worth of convention centers in Taiwan looking for such a beast, and I believe he came up empty handed. I think Patrick did a similar fairly exhaustive analysis a while back looking for USB-C either 2.5 Gbps or 5 Gbps (or both, I forget which) and found a number of those available. But I've come to the tentative conclusion that USB4.0 (which is a C jack) is the only thing that will come close to supporting 10 Gbps Ethernet, so I'm looking for products in that department. I suspect that currently the market only has Thunderbolt 3 (or 4) compatible 10 Gbps Ethernet cards. Not sure if they work directly hooked to a USB4.0. I think Patrick is the perfect person for us to nominate to sort this mess out for us. As for myself, I'm kinda counting on USB4.0 to come through for us eventually. Specifically, I put a moratorium on buying any laptop or mini-PC that does not have USB4.0 (even if it has 2.5 Gbps Ethernet - not enough for me, thank you very much, although I'll use that in the interim if needs be). For a desktop, I can always scrounge up a 10 Gbps NIC somewhere.
My main switch is a Brocade ICX 6450 and they were like $70 I think with 4x 10gb SFP+ but I am running out of ports for 10gb 2 fiber connections to my servers, 1 ethernet connection to my desktop, the last one will go to my firewall once I upgrade it. That leave me nowhere to put upgraded access points. This may work, but I really wish I could find one switch to handle everything and not need to run two switches. The obvious lack here is no SFP all ethernet, my servers have Mellanox X3 Fiber NICs.
But to get those to be 10Gbase-T like this you would spend another $400 in converters and add another 18-20W at idle. SFP+ switches are cheap because the cost is in the plugables.
I thought you were going to say sub $100, not worth it at that price plus shipping. How is the support from this company and will they do security fixes / updates. Also there are cheaper options as well on Ali for the TL-ST5008F 8 SFP+ ports
I'm in an annoying situation.. I have 2 10GBASE-T NICs¹, but I think for any additional equipment I'll use fiber via SFP+. Something like this would solve my immediate problem, but 2 or 4 RJ45 and the rest SFP+ would be more future proof. One very nice thing with these switches is that the ports support all the link speeds, unlike RJ45 transceivers which seem to skip 5Gb. So my choices seem to be to either get something like this, or an all SFP+ switch and 3 transceivers. The last is for the WAN, but that could be a 1GbE to save some money. Or I could go with a 4x2.5 + 2x10 switch, but I heard on a different channel that they get quite hot with RJ45 transceivers. That would be the cheapest option, but also the least future proof. Ah, well.. the search goes on. ¹: the 2 NICs are used to directly connect 2 PCs, so no switch.
What about link aggregation ? Do they support them ? How many ports can be on link aggregation 2, 3, 4 ... ? So, how much link speed can get (up to 2x40gps if two sets of 4 ports in link aggregation) ? Price is out of my budget, but i wish to know how much link aggregation canbe done.
Port 1 is generally reserved for all kinds of functions by default. I would not be surprised if you had to manually turn on POE+ or apply an override for port 1 to allow POE+ or if they imagined port 1 always being the trunk/console/out-of-band port. Hard to say without looking at the software in detail.
My only concern with these is, like mentioned in the video, firmware updates. I would want security fixes when they get discovered (not sure if anyone would even look for vulnerabilities on this minor brand though). Edit: I think I would normally not be too concerned since these are generally used internally, but I've recently started thinking about virtualizing my router and running the traffic from the modem to the router over a vlan, which would basically route internet traffic over an internal switch and I'd be concerned about vlan hopping. I had bought a Netgear switch with 2 10GbE ports (the rest 1GbE) a few years ago, and even though it's been heavily used, I kind of regret not getting one with more 10GbE ports despite the additional cost since I'm currently hard limited to 2 10GbE devices until I get a new switch.
Yeah not sure if Patrick @servethehome does any tests using OpenWRT or other open source firmeware options on these videos but would love to see results or walkthroughs of any issues as support for those roll out too
YES! I would definitely buy a switch like this locally! Perfect for my 2.5/10GB Router/Network. NETGEAR, QNAP, TPLINK, ASUSTOR... Lets build this! Great find and great video Patrick.
Wow, that a nice deal for a homelab setup! I have a noisy Juniper switch that I've been wanting to switch out, if this switch had a couple of SFP+ ports I'd definitely be doing it!
If you want SFP+ ports, Mikrotik has managed switches that are in the same price-range or lower. The 8xSFP+ version is fanless, costs less and has better switching speeds
@@aliancemd True, I do like Mikrotik, but the 8xSFP+ version also lacks any kind of RJ-45 ports and that was the point I was making, a switch like the one featured in the video that ALSO had a couple SFP+ ports would be quite the nice combo that I could use to replace my existing Juniper switch :)
If you want this be aware that the fans are very loud I mean hair drier loud I swapped them out for noctua fans which helped a lot but its not perfect due to the air flow design you get turbulence noise even with quiet fans
Let's try again. I've searched the internet and have not found any support site that would allow downloading a firmware for these. I'm not sure we should be promoting Chinese goods which are completely unsupportable.
I have another one of the Hasivo units (S600WP-5GT-2S+n), and the firmware is all screwy. DHCP enabling doesn't work reliably, it won't let me set the POE total limit to anything below 200 watts even though the power brick is only 65 watts total, and DHCP doesn't work either. I wonder if this one is as broken?
Any chance on getting reviews for cheap 10G SFP+ Switches? I'd love to get some reliable info on managed and unmanaged SFP+ Switches from Aliexpress If its got some RJ45 on top I'd not be too sad but the main thing id like is SFP+ for my server room and I could just use one of those cheap Hasivo/Mokerlink 4*2.5G+2*10G SFP+ switches to connect to my copper network
We started a main site guide where we have many MikroTik options reviewed. Next we will have a TRENDnet 12-port SFP+ managed switch, followed by a PoE 8-port 10Gbase-T switch www.servethehome.com/the-ultimate-cheap-10gbe-switch-buyers-guide-netgear-ubiquiti-qnap-mikrotik-qct/
@@ServeTheHomeVideo that’s great Any chance you’ll be adding SFP+ Budget options from aliexpress? I’ve seen horaco 8x10g sfp+ ones for 80$ but I’m not sure if they’re any good
For those who don't know, if you buy equipment like this with no regulatory approvals, and it starts a fire and burns down your house, your home insurance may not pay out. This makes these things an instant no-go for any sort of permanent installation, home or business. I would not dream of using these in an unsupervised situation, only for a temporary lab setup where you disconnect them when you leave. It's unfortunate, but that's what these regulatory agencies are for - to keep you safe from fires and other similar situations. This goes for anything you plug into mains power - the power supply _must_ be validated by regulatory testing. UL and ETL are best, CE bare minimum. For those of you into DIY electronics, low voltage circuits don't necessarily need this approval to be safe (and comply with the terms of your insurance contracts), just the mains power supplies you use to hook them up with.
yea, that POE switch is now 100.00 USD more plus shipping, plus the long wait for it to sail all the way from Chiiena. Not worth it now. If it had all the certifications that the US requires, maybe then it would be?
@@ServeTheHomeVideo On 6:45 I think I see one of the terminals of the C13 plug as having the insulation pulled back from it? That's live wire, too. If it came like that from the factory that's a QC fail if I've ever seen one, hehe. Also if the power supply board has some additional marks/names on it, maybe it got certified by itself elsewhere.
It probably has local certifications that are not mentioned for export. This definitely does not look like a bodge product. Won't matter for insurance company though. IMO 6:45 is not a violation. Insides are isolated with earthed full metal enclosure. YMMV.
wow awesome review. this is exactly what we want to see, Patrick nailed it. Just wondering though, you may a 2.5gbe 24 port video for some China e sports switch the other day, that was interesting. But how does that compare to other 25gbe switches in the 16-24 port ranges? Like how you did this video when you compared the Hassivo 10gbe against the other available competitor products on pricing? would love to see more of that type of video.
my concern is having my networking all going through a cheap device such as this in terms of hardware level malware - how well can you trust that data isn't being replicated and sent off somewhere nefarious? Maybe I'm just too paranoid
We talked about what we have done with these switches in the 21 switch round-up video we did this week. To give you some sense, that video took around 5000 hours of testing time to do because of looking for stuff like that
I just have a hard time thinking of 10g PoE devices to be powered by the PoE version of this switch, granted that is a nice to have for $35 but sometimes PoE devices work at 100Mbit. So they wouldn't work with this switch unless it is capable or working at 100Mbit, but in that case using one of those 10Gbit ports feels like a waste.
He did list 100Mb/s in the list, but it would seem a waste. He also didn't state which version of POE this supports, so is it the latest? That might make this worth a little more, since that is like 90w or so, right?
@@ServeTheHomeVideo but with the theoretical limit of wifi 7 even 10Gb would be not enough, and as you say PoE+ will not be enough and you will end using PoE from a proper injector, no win there, but again for $35 is a nice to have
@@TheBackyardChemist In my case (Norway it's 577.09 NOK (51,33 EUR or 57) for the shipping alone, then comes the automatic VOEC VAT uses the entire cost to calculate an additional 25% on top, so the total ends up at 3 791 NOK or 337 EUR or 375 USD).. That's not what I call "dirt cheap" by any means.. Even Norwegian dirt is cheaper than that..
well i just open the aliexperess page and it seem like the increased the price a lot .... for non poe the tplink cost the same and is sold and shipped from my country... but is unmanaged :(
Die gezeigten Modelle kosten momentan etwa 500€ / für etwa 250-300€wäre es echt eine Überlegung Wert gewesen. Aktuell überlege ich mir einen XS1930-12HP zu kaufen. Mit etwa 800-900€ natürlich deutlich teuer aber hat auch mehr zu bieten. Schade das 10G noch immer sehr sehr teuer ist. Selbst die 2,5G Varinaten kosten momentan noch sehr viel.
Just bought the PoE version to replace my lame Unify XG 6PoE (never managed to stay on its controller for more than a week) and the noise level is NOT that good. On my setup it comes at the loudest device in my rack when it spin up fans. And they spin full speed for 2 mins every 5mins. There's nothing in the settings to tweak that so they can go medium speed all time instead of up/down.
Very nice, thank you for this information! I was debating getting one of these from your prior post on them, however I ended up with a small Qnap switch with 8x 1g and 4x mgig 10g, and finding their "management" to be terribly bad and barely functional, laughable compared to the Hasivo. Biggest issues were, I can't even change the management IP vlan to anything but vlan 1, and there is no snmp to monitor with, but very minimalist to a problematic extent. I bought it as damaged/parts on ebay, otherwise new in a clean box, it arrived with something clunking around inside, and after opening and breaking the warranty seal, found they never put screws in the fan from the factory! Easily fixed, but for a ~$500 switch to ship with a unsecured fan (and the seller had multiples)?! I will never, NEVER buy anything Qnap again, and selling this switch to a simpleton that just wants a management interface to gawk at. Might still try a Hasivo after seeing this and the robust feature set, assuming they all work right...
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As a Chinese, having these switches available for no shipping makes the human rights violations almost worth it.
Taiwan on!
Lol
Including when the switch starts sniffing your traffic and sending it to the Chinese government
best comment ive seen so far
Fair
I'm one of those that kept asking for this type of switch. 10Gbase-T gets more people in the game without the need for new cabling, or media converters. Add a few 10Gb NICs to your systems and this is a drop in upgrade for a small LAN or lab setup.
Netgear or a similar company is just leaving money on the table by not getting a design like that certified, slap a warranty on it and painting it in their color scheme.
I'd snap one up quickly for my home setup.
Agreed, it seems like these switch makers are so reluctant to push 10GBase-T switches for the home....it seems like every low cost 10gig switch comes with SFP+, and you can't run DACs in your walls and 99.99% of home owners are not running fiber....I just don't get it
The prices doubled since this video....
Have you found any cheap alternatives?
@@LeonardSamuels75 Sad to say i'm not finding anything.
Still are
Just to note, it looks as thought the fan headers are on the non POE board for the second set of fans. They are just below the power supply input on the main board, so if you get you two more fans for the non POE as long as you can get he right header connector you should be GTG.
ZOMG! this is EXAAAACTLY WHAT I WANTED!!! (i've been complaining on the 2.5g switch video comments about how there's no cheap and decent-enough 10g switches around) THANK YOU for reviewing this! this looks fantastic!
I'd much prefer one with SFP+... Much lower power and latency 🤷🏼♂️
Great. Finally after only 20 years since the standard was released in 2002 we finally have affordable 10GBit Ethernet.
Will it now take to 2045 to get 100GBit?
RAM buffer, MAC address table, Jumbo frames, Forwarding mode, Forwarding rate ?
What about the USW-Aggregation switch from Ubiquiti? Fully managed 10G SFP+ 8 port switch for $269. And with SFP+ you can choose what cabling you want to use; DAC, Fiber, RJ-45... I'm using DAC cables and a RJ-45 module to connect my NAS and servers together.
True, but then you will spend another $400-450 to get all the ports as 10Gbase-T, have higher power consumption than this switch, and not get PoE+. SFP+ switches are cheap, that is not even the least expensive one out there. 10Gbase-T switches are more costly which is why this is a breakthrough.
Bought one of these from your review. It stopped working and smells like burning plastic so i sent it back
One of the important items you briefly covered was an option for the Management VLAN selection. This is MISSING from so many of the NetGear and TP-Link managed products and lacking this is a total FULL STOP for me. At the price, these are now within reach for my next home network upgrade. Thanks for helping me discover these affordable options.
Would you mind saying a few words on why that's important to you? Might be something I need but don't know it yet.
@@jimatperfromix2759 You didn't ask me, but I have similar sentiment. Having VLAN management is close to only thing I want my ("smart") switch to do. Why? If you do a home lab sort of environment and you want to still do it right way, you want to separate networks. Not just subnets, but VLANs as well. Eg if you do virtualization (which is common for home labs today) you want heartbeat in one VLAN, storage in separate VLAN, clients in another VLAN, and so on. You just don't want these mixing and is usually suggested as a supported way to do it.
Except VLANs, I'd probably use STP, maybe MAC filtering on occasion, a little system health info, and extremely rarely port mirroring and port binding. I believe I've seen everything mentioned and way more in this "simple" switch. Web UI might look basic in design, but they have more options than smart Cisco (Linksys) lines such as SG500.
8 ports is just perfect for home lab or branch office and the likes. Having support for 100Mbps/1G/2.5G in addition to 10G covers everything. If you need more just get another dumb switch with 10G or similar uplink and 8-16 1G ports and that's it.
This looks so nice, that I'm adding this to my to-do list, once I get some time to check it out some more, and maybe even order one. Sounds like a bomb! :)
Edit: Actually one thing I did not see, that's for me to check... If this switch supports RDMA / RoCE... I really can't think of anything else of importance for this level of switch
@@luxzg Yea, VLAN is a must from lets-say 4+ devices. Even just for the "management" VLAN for administration interface for all APs, switches. Just to separate things and strip down possible attack vector. And if you have IOT/smart things, cameras, smart TVS... VLAN separation is just must-have these days.
Another example: you can have separate VLAN for guest wifi and allow access to the internet only (and not to your home devices...)
@@jimatperfromix2759I went in that rabbithole recently. Vlan management on ghe switch allows you to separate the configuration port for your equipement from your usual vlan.
All your personal on a vlan & all switch, routers configuration access on another vlan.
Your firewall will be used to allows exchange between your main vlan & your management vlan.
Looking closer at the hardware, Port 1 should definitely be PoE as well, all 8 ports have PoE lights and the PoE board has 8 fets
I bought the non POE version, and it definitely came with rackmount ears. There are only two fan cutouts in the rear of my chassis.
Management does not support IPv6.
Saving changes is kinda cisco-like in that you have to hit save and they apply, but they're not saved. To save though a reboot you have to "copy running-config startup-config" either in the console or in the webgui.
It DOES support SSH and HTTPS but you have to generate keys for that to work, and that single function isn't in the webui, so.... telnet it was for a short time.
There is no serial console port, so in-band management only. And for the price, I don't really care.
Firmware updates is the single concern - I can't find a firmware anywhere, and the switch could be hard to recover without a real console port.
Damn, Realtek really is dominating in these budget solutions.
Agree, and I think this was the first comment!
yeah RealTek is sure stepping up their game big time!
Don't they also dominate a lot of the consumer 1Gbe switch market as well in terms of switch chips?
I admittedly haven't looked into it in detail, but that was my understanding.
has been for decades
The switch in the Aliexpres link is now €465 :(
It's about time these 10Gbit (semi-) managed switches started coming down in price!
In my case the PoE version is currently priced at € 320,48 + 40,13 shipping.
That's still not cheap imo, but it is finally in my price range. That's 110 more than what i paid for my SG300-52P gigabit switch.
Hasivo will probably increase their prices now that we're all going to place our orders, based on this video!
I think you're right about them boosting the price… right now I see it at €425 _including_ shipping, so that's €65 more than you saw it three months ago!
One year later, the S1100W-8XGT-SE is $312 😢 tech is supposed to get cheaper, not more expensive!
It's nice to see that you can build good 10GBase-T switches using a cheap platform. Since it's likely based on someone else's reference design, hopefully other lesser known manufacturers (Mokerlink, etc.) will use the same design but go through the effort of regulatory compliance testing for a slight mark-up. I doubt the well-known brands will do so until these type of switches become more readily available.
As far as seconding the motion that more manufacturers (especially ones whose products can be bought on Amazon or Walmart or Best Buy), I'd say, yeah, why would would anybody buy an 8-port 2.5 Gbps switch when you could get one that handles 10 Mbps, 100 Mbps, 1 Gbps, 2.5 Gbps, 5 Gbps and 10 Gbps instead for a couple bucks more? It seems to me that the NetGears and TP-Links and Linksyses of the world have really dropped the ball on the potential of the Prosumer marketplace.
You didn't mention, did you test it for full switch-speed bandwidth from all 8 in to all 7 others out? One would think it would have to meet that spec to be called a switch, but who knows about these cheap ones - maybe no regulatory certs means not guaranteed to do anything in particular. You say it operates at layer 3, which would be good if done right, but what if it's really only a router, not a switch-when-you-can-otherwise-route box? How good was the manual, if any provided?
@@jimatperfromix2759most of these vids have a corresponding article on the main site, and they are usually much more detailed. You might find the answers there. I would have checked before making my comment but I am currently using voice-to-text while driving (my passenger is the one actually pressing the buttons so I am not breaking any laws, but he isn’t really all that interested in tech).
@@jimatperfromix2759 Yeah, very odd the major players haven't jumped in the game, perhaps there are limitations to these designs that we're not aware of - like you said, perhaps there is a bottleneck in the controllers or something else?
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I just received my Hasivo S1100WP-8XGT-SE switch today that I ordered on 3-2-24 for $320 with free shipping. So that's about 3 weeks. The box arrived looking like it passed through a Ukrainian war zone, but the item managed to remain unscathed even with its minimal packing protection. Today's prices, as of 3-22-24 the S1100WP-8XGT-SE is $282.40 and the Managed Switch without POE (S1100W-8XGT-SE) is $256.00, also with free shipping. I may well buy the S1100W-8XGT-SE to connect the rest of my house to 10Gbase-T 10GbE. At this time, I see no point in upgrading my existing home network to 2.5GbE as it seems to be getting obsolete before it becomes the mainstream upgrade from 1GbE. These switches handle it all 1GbE, 2.5GbE, 5GbE and 10GbE and work perfectly with my existing Cat6 cabling.
All ports are not equal. Does anyone know what sort of performance these low end switches get? How long do they last? How many of us bought Netgear's Pro switches only to have them last a year at best. And of course support was nonexistent. Further, with some - but not all - of these low end switches you probably would be wise to monitor any port connected to the WAN. You see some very interesting traffic sometimes to IP addresses that you cannot trace. I'd not that power supply is very low grade. It does not seem to have much in the way of primary filtering so I'd expect it will not handle poor AC in / dips and the like and of course any RFI it has in the box will flow right back out onto your main power line. This could include anything coming back on the POE lines as well.
Would of been really nice if they added a SFP+ port for uplink
there's already enought SFP+ crap available, 10GBase-T doesn't get enough love
Yeah just 1x sfp uplink would be ideal
Definitely want to see more affordable 8 port 10gbps switches on the market.
I feel like with the rising popularity and speed of NAS particularly SSD based NAS investing in 2.5 or 5 gaps switches is a bit of a false economy and a potential bottleneck.
Fantastic and enjoyable reviews, I look forward to seeing new kit.
I'd love to see reviews on wider range of things like small board computers like r.pis, add ons to make clusters to bigger desktop and server mobo for people who like to build their own equipment
Oh and it would be useful to see a feature/cost comparison table for all equipment tested so it's easier to shortlist candidate equipment and focus on appropriate video
Ubiquiti has their L2 USW-Aggregation SPF+ for $269 which isn't bad for a server to server or server to switch 10Gb small lab option. If you needed RJ45 you can always add some, but only up to 4. So if you can get away with server to server SPF+ for the majority of your connections it gives you some options. Granted you are going to pay probably $35-40 a port for the SPF+ to RJ45 up to 4 ports if needed. Depending on your DAC versus fiber usage or RJ45 ports you can certainly get up there, but at least these would have the regulator approval and still fully kitted out would be cheaper than competitors unmanaged options.
That is SFP+. SFP+ switches are less expensive since you would need to add more costly fiber, 10Gbase-T adapters, or DACs. 10Gbase-T is much more expensive.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo 10Gbase-T, basically the wire is cheap is the upside. SFP+ just like the switches, network cards also tend to be cheaper than 10Gbase-T. If you look at the Connect-X 3 or lower depending on OS support requirements. I noticed most if not all of your tested clients seemed to be using built in 10Gb RJ45 ports.
Really it boils down to are you upgrading to 10Gb because you already have 10Gb capable RJ45 clients and servers or are you green fielding 10Gb to your lab. Green field its all down to port mix and if most of your lab 10Gb connections can run DAC cables. If you already have 6-7 RJ45 10Gb NICs one of these switches is the better option.
Mikrotik has even cheaper L3 SFP+ switches(including fanless) but you blow any budgets once you buy the modules
If these switch makers just put some effort into getting some 10GBase-T switches in the hands of consumers, it'd drive the price down....they're refusal to make anything but SFP+ switches really frustrates me
Seems there is WIP with openWRT for this switch!!!
They have already increase the price, thanks !
Is there a switch like this that has sfp+ ports instead of rj45? I want to use dac cables in the rack not lossy hot rj45's that would mean all the servers that have spf+ ports would have to also have hot lossy hbics and force the servers to have more of a power load. Thanks. @servethehomevideo
Now is US $439 :(
It's a great review and a decent deal, but the comment about "no regulatory marking" is more serious than you might think. This means that these switches were not tested for things like electrical safety. For a device that's intended to be running 24/7/365 in an unattended environment, the lack of even a basic safety check is a non-starter for me. The coil hum that Patrick mentions is a big red flag for electrical safety -- and probably the reason this switch didn't pass any certification. If you have it installed somewhere and it causes an electrical fire, you may have insurance problems. Proceed with caution.
Almost makes "reviewing" them pointless
I'm not arguing on most of your points, but coil whine, or coil hum as you called it, is not a red flag of any kind. If it was more than half of everything that has gotten the stamp of approval would be gone. No one likes it, but it's one of these things that just keeps cropping up. Annoying and irritating yes. Dangerous no.
From what little we saw of the innards these looked decently built. The PSU was well separated from the rest with a generous airgap. But we didn't get a good view of the power supply.
Now as an old cranky man I'm surprised at how many dangerous PSU designs there are that's being sold today. Mostly I'm surprised because there is very little in the way of secrets about how to design a safe PSU. And the added cost of manufacture is so incredibly small it's next to nothing. Remember, good design doesn't add cost. It makes things simpler, cheaper to manufacture, safer, and reduces the failure rate. At least that's how industrial design is supposed to work.
I can't imagine buying some no-name Chinese junk that very well may include spyware, in addition to it's unknown safety and fire hazard.
@@KevinRiceSLO Maybe but to paraphrase: Satan is beautiful, not some ugly easily recognizable demon
I posted this in another comment, but if you live in a house that adheres to common electrical codes, ensure the box is grounded (using that ground point they provide) and you'll be fine. Even if there is a catastrophic electrical failure internally, the resulting ground fault would trip the circuit breaker you're plugged into. The worst case I could imagine, you'd also need to replace the Ethernet interfaces in the connected endpoints (because the magnetic isolators were fried). If that's still not good enough, open frame power supply modules like they're using internally can be bought from electronic parts suppliers like Mouser and Digi-Key. Buy a reputable one that supplies the same power, slap it in, and that's the worst of your electrical risk mitigated for not a lot more money.
Now, if you DON'T live in a house that adheres to common electrical codes, it's a different story...
I am curious about the management interface and how to do typical management using this firmware. Maybe a software walkthrough?
Thanks for taking the time to do price options and alternatives for the video. That will help keep this video relevant as market changes over months/years to let people see relative costs over time. I enjoyed this video, and was thinking this morning you could probably do a few high quality "long-term" reviews on products you've had silently running for months/years. I know there's a constant revolving door of things coming and going for you, but consumers (such as myself) value reliability over sticker price highly. Hearing from you about the "silent warriors" of your business that just work and don't require constant attention could be extremely useful. This could also be an opportunity to talk about the STH Editor's Choice awards and show us a bit more behind the curtain as to what it takes for you to give the nod to the best of the best.
Yes, current 10gbe switches are TOO DAMN EXPENSIVE!!! Great review.
Not all of them 5ports are available for less than people blow in a weekend on drinks
Out of the whole video the onky think that caught my attention was the small reverse poe board, I would love a video adding one of those boards ($6 in ali) to a regular cheap switch.
I know it does not have PoE, but the Ubiquiti USW-Aggregation is 8-port SFP+ for $270. You can add RJ45 adapters as needed, then you get the option for optical or DAC. All in, it might not be cheaper, but the equipment is very good.
yes but if you wanted 8 ports of 10g j45 then we are talking 400 on top of that...
@@ko260 the USW-Aggregation only supports four 10GBase-T transceivers. So the best you could do would be four fiber connections with four RJ45 transceivers
@@RennsportFilms I did not know that. I wonder why. Power? Thermal?
@@GCTWorks Not sure, but probably a little but of both. It has a 36W power supply with a max power consumption of 30W and on average I think 10GBase-T transceivers do around 3W of pull.
@@GCTWorks Think it's mostly thermals. The user guide even recommends you stagger the Base-T transceivers so they're not plugged in next to each other.
Do you know of one with 46W output for external PoE devices? My cameras need 30-46W.
Do these 10G switches negotiate 2.5G with a variety of networks adapters successfully?
That would be good to test in addition to general port speed and PoE capabilities. This switch would make a lot of sense in a mixed 10/2.5G environment.
Yes. Mentioned briefly in the video, we tested the ports at 2.5GbE and 5GbE and with Intel and Marvell-Aquantia adapters (even with Mac 10Gbase-T)
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Ah, missed that!
Aliexpress is now showing 5 RJ45, 1 10G SFP+ port switches with/without POE) POE5XGT 10GSFP ($255) or 5XGT 10GSFP ($215). Probably will be looking to buy when Black Friday pricing appears.
It might be worth STH's time to have some rudimentary power supply test gear and have a look at these uncertified POE switches that are dealing with 200W+. Maybe a joint vid with GamersNexus?
250$ for Chinese unknow brand is not that dirt cheap....
On top of that, they are already around 50$ more expensive with the release of the video.
What you are saving in cost, you are giving away in support or firmware updates.
Maybe I misunderstood the review, but I like to know what the noise is with and without load, microphone, 1 m, DB with 1-8 ports populated....
This is exactly what I have been looking for. The only concern is the security/firmware. At this price it may be worth using for a low risk environment.
Just make sure you protect them behind a firewall. My Huawei switch was getting telnet connection attempts from China
When you were talking about the other brands, I'm surprised you didn't mention the MikroTik CRS312-4C+8XG-RM. 12 x 10Gbps ports, fully managed (same OS as their routers). You can usually find it for less than $550 shipped.
are those 10GBase-T ports like I want for my home? or useless SFP+?
@@post-leftluddite It has 12x 10G Ethernet ports and 4x shared SFP Ports - the SFP Ports are mutually exclusive with the 4 Ethernet ports closest to them (as in, you can use EITHER the ethernet OR the SFP for those 4 ports). For software, it runs Microtik's RouterOS (if you want full featured switch management) and SwitchOS (if you want a much more simplified managed switch feature set). I am using this unit in my personal home lab and it runs well. I paid ~$550 for it 3 years ago or so.
Mikrotik has switches in this price-range or lower but those are SFP+, which is additional costs
Exactly.
I moved to fiber home network using cheap 10g sfp+ cards. (I picked up another 3 for $12 each last month). It's been nothing but amazing so far. Pre-terminated LC connections, and simply plug in and play for my sfp modules has been as easy as using ethernet in the past. I just wish motherboards had built in 10g sfp cards for my next set of PC builds, but I can just reuse the cards I have. With a little luck, the switches will start to filter down to the home labs cheap as things start to move to 40/100gb setups.
$4 SFP+ cards?! Which ones?
Edit: $12 each... But still, connetx-3s are like 35 each, dual port ones are more like 65.
And I know I have seen some of the older Intel-based, 4-port SFP+ NICs available for decent prices as well. If you feel comfy running fiber or have good access to compatible, low-priced 10BasedT adapters, it is almost within pricing to build your own switch from retired desktops (like a Z170 board with a 6700, even better if it is one of the WS boards that had PLX chips for PCIe switching).
@@Cynyr Just get the OEM rebranded ones. HPe pn 518001-001 they are mellanox 2 dual port or Solarflare cards, the S6102 is a dual port overlooked because it's not a mellanox but the cards work fine in linux/windows
What does your fiber distribution look like? Does it go out from a patch panel to each room of your home?
@@Wav10001 we have a 24port patch panel, had keystones for ethernet. Ethernet down to wall mounted boxes/faceplates with keystone jacks, where a small ethernet plugs in to pc, console etc. as expected. When we moved to fiber, we pulled the fiber to the same wall faceplate and just swapped out a rj45 keystone for a lc Om3 ones to match the fibre we're using. They are the coupler type, so just plug in fiber run in the back. Same at the patch panel. We left some ethernet in the rooms, like we have consoles, printers etc still.
Of course I and many others want to see validated products like this. Validation is a once off cost, spread over the 1000s sold. (At least they didn't put fake stickers on.) Thanks for the review.
The hard part is 10GbE over twisted pair. It's basically an entire modem on each port. The innovation is in the RTL8264. RealTek doesn't even market the chip yet. So, these were probably custom designed for Hasivo. Besides those chips, any box builder could make this. Strike a deal with RealTek and anyone could build this box for this price.
All my computers motherboards have had 10gb ports for years, yet I am still running on a 1Gb switch. Funny how the MB makers started supporting it so long before the switch makers.
the problem is no warranty unless you want to pay 100$ for shipment anything back to China, because they will always ask you to send back the product, GL with that.
i would rather to pay that money upfront and buy something with real warranty and regular firmware update.
POE at 10GbaseT, wonder how these would perform with 10GbE wireless access points like TP-Link Omada
What use is PoE on 10G anyways? Camera's and stuff, even 8K don't need more than 1G? Some wifi AP's maybe? 2.5G should be plenty there.
Options...
I bought one and installed it today. Way too noisy for home use. I will have to check if the fans can be replaced.
Based on a post from OpenWRT about a similar type, my guess is: Realtek, which runs U-boot and Linux.
The other model is: F1100W-8S+
Board: RTL9300 CPU:800MHz LX:175MHz DDR:600MHz
DRAM: 256 MB
Those missing compliance labels worry me a bit, yeah. It otherwise looks a lot like what I want at home.
Wow! This is exactly what I’ve been looking for. You’re absolutely spot on. Nothing comes close to this price point. Really big, big bummer about the regulatory compliance labels. As this is something I would want to throw in my network closet, my biggest fear it would catch fire. It probably wouldn’t, however, what would give someone a sense of comfort that they passed some sort of electrical standard?
I also worry that any fire insurance would deny paying if this thing catches fire and has no compliance labels
If you live in a house that adheres to common electrical codes, ensure the box is grounded (using that ground point they provide) and you'll be fine. Even if there is a catastrophic electrical failure internally, the resulting ground fault would trip the circuit breaker you're plugged into. The worst case I could imagine, you'd also need to replace the Ethernet interfaces in the connected endpoints (because the magnetic isolators were fried). If that's still not good enough, open frame power supply modules like they're using internally can be bought from electronic parts suppliers like Mouser and Digi-Key. Buy a reputable one that supplies the same power, slap it in, and that's the worst of your electrical risk mitigated for not a lot more money.
$75 shipping seems ridiculous especially considering most stuff out of PRC ships free to the US or very nominal charge
When I see these prices I always ask why not SFP+. Yeah a fiber run costs more but look at the power draw and heat of 10GBaseT. Check out Mikrotik switches to see where I'm coming from about price.
We have videos on the MikroTik switches
Tp-Link TL-SX3008F cost about 260-280 USD... a its management 8 port 10 gb switch...
Mine came with rackmount ears (PoE Version, ordered October 2023 from aliexpress)
Oh that is cool!
there also are hasivo F5800W and F1100W, those are 12 and 8 sfp port managed switches, maybe it's worth checking them out too
Any switches that have both? Rj45 and sfp 10gbe?
I am about to order a TP Link tL-SG3210XHP-M2 (8x 2.5Gbe [T] + 2x 10Gbe SFP+) - what du you think about that one vs this??
Nice, it's perfect, thank you for the info!
Perfect manageable homelab switch with Poe 😍
Next we need a review of USB-C laptop 10Gb adapters!
I'll second that emotion. But I'm afraid such a beast may not exist, currently. Wendell of Leve1Techs recently scoured square miles worth of convention centers in Taiwan looking for such a beast, and I believe he came up empty handed. I think Patrick did a similar fairly exhaustive analysis a while back looking for USB-C either 2.5 Gbps or 5 Gbps (or both, I forget which) and found a number of those available. But I've come to the tentative conclusion that USB4.0 (which is a C jack) is the only thing that will come close to supporting 10 Gbps Ethernet, so I'm looking for products in that department. I suspect that currently the market only has Thunderbolt 3 (or 4) compatible 10 Gbps Ethernet cards. Not sure if they work directly hooked to a USB4.0. I think Patrick is the perfect person for us to nominate to sort this mess out for us. As for myself, I'm kinda counting on USB4.0 to come through for us eventually. Specifically, I put a moratorium on buying any laptop or mini-PC that does not have USB4.0 (even if it has 2.5 Gbps Ethernet - not enough for me, thank you very much, although I'll use that in the interim if needs be). For a desktop, I can always scrounge up a 10 Gbps NIC somewhere.
My main switch is a Brocade ICX 6450 and they were like $70 I think with 4x 10gb SFP+ but I am running out of ports for 10gb 2 fiber connections to my servers, 1 ethernet connection to my desktop, the last one will go to my firewall once I upgrade it.
That leave me nowhere to put upgraded access points. This may work, but I really wish I could find one switch to handle everything and not need to run two switches.
The obvious lack here is no SFP all ethernet, my servers have Mellanox X3 Fiber NICs.
For the price, you could have shown off the Unifi Aggregation Switch 8 10G SFP+ for $269 which is pretty nuts value
But to get those to be 10Gbase-T like this you would spend another $400 in converters and add another 18-20W at idle. SFP+ switches are cheap because the cost is in the plugables.
I thought you were going to say sub $100, not worth it at that price plus shipping. How is the support from this company and will they do security fixes / updates. Also there are cheaper options as well on Ali for the TL-ST5008F 8 SFP+ ports
SFP+ is always cheaper. This is the first 10Gbase-T cheap switch in this price band.
You can always add a 10 gig rj45 sfp+ to the switch for cheap if you didn't want to go fiber. It's not worth pushing this junk.
For the same price shipped to NZ I can get a USW-Agg, yes agg needs SFP modules but for the better hardware and software it's worth it
MOAR 10Gbe SWITCHES!!!!!! Even a 4 port would be GREAT!!!! (if it's cheap :D )
I would like to watch a video on the Cheapest non-managed 10GbE Switch. Where 2 10Gbe ports from the 2,5 Gbe round up mayby issent enough.
We are working on it. www.servethehome.com/the-ultimate-cheap-10gbe-switch-buyers-guide-netgear-ubiquiti-qnap-mikrotik-qct/
I'm in an annoying situation.. I have 2 10GBASE-T NICs¹, but I think for any additional equipment I'll use fiber via SFP+. Something like this would solve my immediate problem, but 2 or 4 RJ45 and the rest SFP+ would be more future proof. One very nice thing with these switches is that the ports support all the link speeds, unlike RJ45 transceivers which seem to skip 5Gb.
So my choices seem to be to either get something like this, or an all SFP+ switch and 3 transceivers. The last is for the WAN, but that could be a 1GbE to save some money. Or I could go with a 4x2.5 + 2x10 switch, but I heard on a different channel that they get quite hot with RJ45 transceivers. That would be the cheapest option, but also the least future proof.
Ah, well.. the search goes on.
¹: the 2 NICs are used to directly connect 2 PCs, so no switch.
What about link aggregation ? Do they support them ? How many ports can be on link aggregation 2, 3, 4 ... ? So, how much link speed can get (up to 2x40gps if two sets of 4 ports in link aggregation) ?
Price is out of my budget, but i wish to know how much link aggregation canbe done.
Great video, as always. Maybe I missed it, but do these use 240v, 120v or either or?
The 1st port not doing POE is probably a quality control issue. It seems that the daughter board for POE has 8* the same chips...
That may be, but this is like the 5th Hasivo switch we have with the first ports not providing PoE+.
Port 1 is generally reserved for all kinds of functions by default. I would not be surprised if you had to manually turn on POE+ or apply an override for port 1 to allow POE+ or if they imagined port 1 always being the trunk/console/out-of-band port. Hard to say without looking at the software in detail.
Anyone else notice how the serial number of the PoE one appears to be 00001? :D (visible around 04:51)
My only concern with these is, like mentioned in the video, firmware updates. I would want security fixes when they get discovered (not sure if anyone would even look for vulnerabilities on this minor brand though).
Edit: I think I would normally not be too concerned since these are generally used internally, but I've recently started thinking about virtualizing my router and running the traffic from the modem to the router over a vlan, which would basically route internet traffic over an internal switch and I'd be concerned about vlan hopping.
I had bought a Netgear switch with 2 10GbE ports (the rest 1GbE) a few years ago, and even though it's been heavily used, I kind of regret not getting one with more 10GbE ports despite the additional cost since I'm currently hard limited to 2 10GbE devices until I get a new switch.
And that is also a problem with the buffalo switch mentioned in the video. I bought it in 2017. It had one firmware update since then.
These are buy and forget. You buy it once and never think of exposing it to the world and limit it to
The OpenWRT community seems to be working on Linux support for the 2.5 Gb model, my guess is the 10 Gb model will follow.
@@autohmae Oh, that would be really cool!
Yeah not sure if Patrick @servethehome does any tests using OpenWRT or other open source firmeware options on these videos but would love to see results or walkthroughs of any issues as support for those roll out too
YES! I would definitely buy a switch like this locally! Perfect for my 2.5/10GB Router/Network. NETGEAR, QNAP, TPLINK, ASUSTOR... Lets build this! Great find and great video Patrick.
Its nice, but a bit too big for my improvised Ikea rack :) Cool find though!
Wow, that a nice deal for a homelab setup! I have a noisy Juniper switch that I've been wanting to switch out, if this switch had a couple of SFP+ ports I'd definitely be doing it!
If you want SFP+ ports, Mikrotik has managed switches that are in the same price-range or lower. The 8xSFP+ version is fanless, costs less and has better switching speeds
@@aliancemd True, I do like Mikrotik, but the 8xSFP+ version also lacks any kind of RJ-45 ports and that was the point I was making, a switch like the one featured in the video that ALSO had a couple SFP+ ports would be quite the nice combo that I could use to replace my existing Juniper switch :)
If you want this be aware that the fans are very loud I mean hair drier loud I swapped them out for noctua fans which helped a lot but its not perfect due to the air flow design you get turbulence noise even with quiet fans
Some affordable 16-port 2.5GbE switches (managed or unmanaged) for homelab and small business would be nice. Eight ports are a little tight.
We have you covered:
- th-cam.com/video/wsxZB82gcYM/w-d-xo.html
- th-cam.com/video/pi80T1ZhJKQ/w-d-xo.html
Do you have a link to their firmware or support site?
Let's try again. I've searched the internet and have not found any support site that would allow downloading a firmware for these. I'm not sure we should be promoting Chinese goods which are completely unsupportable.
Fire! Overall great video, great intro, killer steal of a product, and as always, your charisma is unmatched.
I have another one of the Hasivo units (S600WP-5GT-2S+n), and the firmware is all screwy. DHCP enabling doesn't work reliably, it won't let me set the POE total limit to anything below 200 watts even though the power brick is only 65 watts total, and DHCP doesn't work either. I wonder if this one is as broken?
Any chance on getting reviews for cheap 10G SFP+ Switches?
I'd love to get some reliable info on managed and unmanaged SFP+ Switches from Aliexpress
If its got some RJ45 on top I'd not be too sad but the main thing id like is SFP+ for my server room and I could just use one of those cheap Hasivo/Mokerlink 4*2.5G+2*10G SFP+ switches to connect to my copper network
We started a main site guide where we have many MikroTik options reviewed. Next we will have a TRENDnet 12-port SFP+ managed switch, followed by a PoE 8-port 10Gbase-T switch www.servethehome.com/the-ultimate-cheap-10gbe-switch-buyers-guide-netgear-ubiquiti-qnap-mikrotik-qct/
@@ServeTheHomeVideo that’s great
Any chance you’ll be adding SFP+ Budget options from aliexpress? I’ve seen horaco 8x10g sfp+ ones for 80$ but I’m not sure if they’re any good
As it supports also 2.5Gb, this probably makes it the cheapest 8 port managed 2,5Gb switch right?
They have less expensive 2.5GbE options: th-cam.com/video/brQUwucJLtg/w-d-xo.html
For those who don't know, if you buy equipment like this with no regulatory approvals, and it starts a fire and burns down your house, your home insurance may not pay out. This makes these things an instant no-go for any sort of permanent installation, home or business. I would not dream of using these in an unsupervised situation, only for a temporary lab setup where you disconnect them when you leave. It's unfortunate, but that's what these regulatory agencies are for - to keep you safe from fires and other similar situations. This goes for anything you plug into mains power - the power supply _must_ be validated by regulatory testing. UL and ETL are best, CE bare minimum.
For those of you into DIY electronics, low voltage circuits don't necessarily need this approval to be safe (and comply with the terms of your insurance contracts), just the mains power supplies you use to hook them up with.
Every time I watch these videos, I have to slow down the speed of the video to 0.75x hahaha. Patrick is always amped up😂
Really? I slow down for TH-cam recording and only do before coffee
@@ServeTheHomeVideo you're awesome Patrick. I love the content. Keep up the great work.
yea, that POE switch is now 100.00 USD more plus shipping, plus the long wait for it to sail all the way from Chiiena. Not worth it now. If it had all the certifications that the US requires, maybe then it would be?
No SFP+ port? Btw, without regulatory markings these devices can get stopped at customs. They aren't legal.
No regulatory compliance of any sort makes me scared for anything that uses mains power.
So far we have had them running for several weeks without issue, but these are just two units
@@ServeTheHomeVideo On 6:45 I think I see one of the terminals of the C13 plug as having the insulation pulled back from it? That's live wire, too. If it came like that from the factory that's a QC fail if I've ever seen one, hehe.
Also if the power supply board has some additional marks/names on it, maybe it got certified by itself elsewhere.
It probably has local certifications that are not mentioned for export.
This definitely does not look like a bodge product. Won't matter for insurance company though.
IMO 6:45 is not a violation. Insides are isolated with earthed full metal enclosure. YMMV.
wow awesome review. this is exactly what we want to see, Patrick nailed it.
Just wondering though, you may a 2.5gbe 24 port video for some China e sports switch the other day, that was interesting. But how does that compare to other 25gbe switches in the 16-24 port ranges? Like how you did this video when you compared the Hassivo 10gbe against the other available competitor products on pricing? would love to see more of that type of video.
Did Wireshark reveal any unwanted network flows?
No. We talked about this more in our May round-up
my concern is having my networking all going through a cheap device such as this in terms of hardware level malware - how well can you trust that data isn't being replicated and sent off somewhere nefarious? Maybe I'm just too paranoid
We talked about what we have done with these switches in the 21 switch round-up video we did this week. To give you some sense, that video took around 5000 hours of testing time to do because of looking for stuff like that
Amazing!
I just have a hard time thinking of 10g PoE devices to be powered by the PoE version of this switch, granted that is a nice to have for $35 but sometimes PoE devices work at 100Mbit. So they wouldn't work with this switch unless it is capable or working at 100Mbit, but in that case using one of those 10Gbit ports feels like a waste.
Wise insight. The next-gen WiFi 7 AP's will need higher speed networking, but many will also need more power than PoE+ provides.
He did list 100Mb/s in the list, but it would seem a waste. He also didn't state which version of POE this supports, so is it the latest? That might make this worth a little more, since that is like 90w or so, right?
@@ServeTheHomeVideo but with the theoretical limit of wifi 7 even 10Gb would be not enough, and as you say PoE+ will not be enough and you will end using PoE from a proper injector, no win there, but again for $35 is a nice to have
I'm all in for a 250 dollar 10gb baseT switch but shipping to my area is 95 dollars. :?
maybe "shipping" also includes VAT?
@@TheBackyardChemist In my case (Norway it's 577.09 NOK (51,33 EUR or 57) for the shipping alone, then comes the automatic VOEC VAT uses the entire cost to calculate an additional 25% on top, so the total ends up at 3 791 NOK or 337 EUR or 375 USD).. That's not what I call "dirt cheap" by any means.. Even Norwegian dirt is cheaper than that..
well i just open the aliexperess page and it seem like the increased the price a lot ....
for non poe the tplink cost the same and is sold and shipped from my country... but is unmanaged :(
if we could get that face of joy on a t-shirt
i dont think i'd be the only one buying one
Ha!
Thanks for the video. On the security side, is there back-door access encoded user/pw and what about calling home for bad reasons?
Die gezeigten Modelle kosten momentan etwa 500€ / für etwa 250-300€wäre es echt eine Überlegung Wert gewesen.
Aktuell überlege ich mir einen XS1930-12HP zu kaufen. Mit etwa 800-900€ natürlich deutlich teuer aber hat auch mehr zu bieten.
Schade das 10G noch immer sehr sehr teuer ist. Selbst die 2,5G Varinaten kosten momentan noch sehr viel.
It didn't look like it but does it have a facility for DHCP snooping and does it force PVID1 on all ports like Tplink does?
Just bought the PoE version to replace my lame Unify XG 6PoE (never managed to stay on its controller for more than a week) and the noise level is NOT that good. On my setup it comes at the loudest device in my rack when it spin up fans. And they spin full speed for 2 mins every 5mins. There's nothing in the settings to tweak that so they can go medium speed all time instead of up/down.
Very nice, thank you for this information!
I was debating getting one of these from your prior post on them, however I ended up with a small Qnap switch with 8x 1g and 4x mgig 10g, and finding their "management" to be terribly bad and barely functional, laughable compared to the Hasivo. Biggest issues were, I can't even change the management IP vlan to anything but vlan 1, and there is no snmp to monitor with, but very minimalist to a problematic extent. I bought it as damaged/parts on ebay, otherwise new in a clean box, it arrived with something clunking around inside, and after opening and breaking the warranty seal, found they never put screws in the fan from the factory! Easily fixed, but for a ~$500 switch to ship with a unsecured fan (and the seller had multiples)?!
I will never, NEVER buy anything Qnap again, and selling this switch to a simpleton that just wants a management interface to gawk at. Might still try a Hasivo after seeing this and the robust feature set, assuming they all work right...
Hello, is there a firmware update for this device? I've read that the current one, some settings don't save and switch to normal after reboot
This is exactly why I love this channel ! Ordered both of them. Thanks !