Yeah, I wouldn’t buy these. But when prices start to come down I’ll pick up one from a reputable brand. You just never know with these lesser Chinese brands.
Those "other vendors" are a little slower than these Chinese brands, but I'm betting we'll see companies like TP-Link give us 4-port (5-port) and 8-port (9-port) versions as soon as they start incorporating these seemingly super affordable Realtek RTL8373+RTL8224 solutions. I'm hoping that Realtek follows up with some slightly higher-end versions of the RTL8373+RTL8224 solution with some management, ability to do some VLAN tagging, frame size modification, etc, nothing crazy, add some simple management to give us something that many of us would feel more comfortable using in an office or prosumer scenario. As of right now, I would never connect any of these four brands to any device with any sort of sensitive data until I saw an in-depth security audit ensuring that there aren't backdoors or other hidden gems baked into these switches.
Can you *please* start testing how the unmanaged switches handle VLAN-tagged frames? It's undefined for unmanaged switches in general, but some will e.g. strip VLAN tags out, others will pass them on, some could drop them, etc. Knowing how these unmanaged switchs react to being placed in a VLAN-aware environment may enable someone to mix them in even if they're unmanaged.
It should be noted that the maximum power you can pull out of an SFP+ cage is only 3W, and typically a DAC cable pulls under 1W. It's why 10GBaseT in the data centre is bonkers crazy.
@@jonathanbuzzard1376 Yeah, compared to 10GB CAT5 cards which really need a fan to keep them cool. The other thing about SFP+ DAC is super low latency compared to CAT5 for some reason.
@@wayland7150 That's a really good point, the encoding for twisted pair is going to increase latency over a DAC cable. If our latest proposals are approved I will be getting my first servers with 10GBaseT later this year 😞 Plus point is that they will be plugged into a 1Gbps switch, used only for provisioning and will thereafter be using ConnectX-6 cards at 100Gbps with a mix of SR4 and DAC. Can't avoid the 10GBaseT unfortunately.
Better not do any intros, it's refreshing to have the content right away. For other videos, there's stuff like r evanced where you can setup it to skip intros among other things
@@ServeTheHomeVideo You don't need cringe zoomer gimmicks. You're an enthusiast/semi-professional hardware review channel, not a gatcha reaction channel selling gambling games and overpriced plastic to children. You already create evergreen content with an easy stream of new content to cover, there's no reason to make your content embarrasing or actively annoying to watch in a professional setting.
This is exactly what I've been looking for! So many other switches you guys have been covering have only been 4 or 5 ports. With this you get 8 ports plus the SFP port (which I've also been looking for). Thanks Patrick and the rest of the team for working on this! :D
I just had a conversation yesterday with my rep from Juniper Networks about their lack of 2.5 options on their SOHO and SMB devices. Its really time for vendors to make the transition. Especially when dealing with non - modular units
I have been using a Horaco version for about a month. I was genuinely surprised when the blurb about power usage was proven to be true. I use the unit fully populated 6x 2.5, 2x 1gbit and the 10G SFP+ to my workstation. No issues at all so far. The only difference in my implementation is that I do not use the included power brick as this was supplied as US with a UK adapter. I just wish there was a larger version as the TP-Link TL-SH1832 is a massive pain to import.
Switching still seems to be the biggest hurdle in multi gig networking. Especially with cable and fiber deployments doing 2.5 to 5Gb on modem/router ports. These with the 10Gb uplink seem to be the best options. Allowing the 2.5Gb WAN connection as well as a few 2.5Gb clients direct on the switch with 10Gb back to your rack machines. Since a lot of Prosumer/older enterprise gear still doesn't behave well with 2.5Gb links. Usually requiring trial and error or finding somebody that has already done with work finding SFP+ to RJ45 transceivers that behave with your gear at 2.5/5Gb.
I don't wanna be "that person" but also I'm hesitant with these switches because of their origin. Was recently having a conversation with a friend who has worked in defense and semiconductor industry and the backdoors built into chinese network boards seems so sketch
@@chess598That's just the current anti-china campaign, don't trust the rumor these guys are under orders to spread. You'd be amazed at the backdoors in US products made in the past 7 years .
@@chess598 Pretty much this, and the fact they've had no market certification is another reason they're cheap as dirt. Without those safety standard checks they can get away with this, and depending on country invalidate your premises insurance!
@@chess598 Oh, I completely get that part. I really just meant this type of device as a simple managed or unmanaged switch from a traditionally in market vendor with proper certifications. There is money to be made if somebody like a Ubiquiti, TP-Link, MikroTek etc would make something like this. Even if around 200-$220. I am already out a SFP+ and about $30-35 a transceiver to properly support a 2.5Gb port in my setup. So a proper non POE just client switch at even $250 I'm saving per port.
I just got a couple of the Sodala ones so I could utilize the 2.5G ethernet on my new systems in my office and have a fiber uplink to my rack. Pretty much perfect for what I needed.
Thanks for making 2.5g vids. There's no way I can rewire my house from Cat5e to Cat6, so I appreciate the in depth reviews of something I can actually use
Got to be careful saying that NICGIGA switch or you'll offend someone unintentionally. Ha ha. Patrick talks wicked fast so that makes it even harder. Great video Patrick I'm certainly going to be picked up one of these for my lab. I've been waiting for something like this for a while.
I see something like this can be a goal for TP-Link and Unify as they would get users into their Eco-system that then also would make them push those into their enterprise business use.
Nice, love a host with energy and passion, makes the media more interesting! And nicgiga is a bit hard to say lol. I have one of their 2.5gbe cards in my nas.
I bought the Horaco one for 58€ based on the review. I bought it because of the very low energy consumption and the values from this test matches my own measurements. Thank you !
they aren't - it's a dumm uncontrollable switch, while in your network - you wanna route all traffic through vlan to secure your network from wireless hackers, right?
I’ve got a little 8 port unmanaged Mokerlink PoE switch that has been fantastic for what it is. Think it was $35-$45 a couple years ago when I grabbed it.
I have two Horaco 5-port switches in use and I am satisfied. One is downstairs and one is upstairs. The 5 port switches have 4 ports on an IC under the heat sink, the 5th port has its own IC and there is also the SFP+ port. I also tried two fiber SFPs to connect both switches. This works perfectly with 10GBit. For testing, I also got an SFP to 2.5GBit LAN module that works perfectly. The only downside was that the power adapters do not come with European plugs but with US plugs. An adapter is required. The power adapters also work with 240 Volts 50 Hz. With the small price difference, the 8 port only costs 10 to 20 $€£ more than the 5 port. Both also have the SFP+ port.
I went with an unmanaged 2.5 tplink and a cheap tplink 1gb "smart" poe for now Tplink has a cool 10/5/2.5/1/... Switch but it's non poe and maybe even unmanaged. The switches that are also managed and poe from reputable brands are ridiculously expensive. Will upgrade in a few years when it makes sense.
Ok you convinced me to go buy this immediately after watching this video...Now I just have to buy some machines that actually have 2.5gb NIC's, and a new core switch that has SPF+ for the uplink...My credit card company would like to thank you for your contribution to my escalating debt. lol
These reviews on 2.5/10 switches are so valuable. Can you offer a companion vid series on USB4/TB 2.5/10 adapters/dongles. Many of us have recently purchased laptops and desktops that only have 1gb nics, but have USB4/TB high speed ports. As example, I have a Mac Studio which has 10gb nic on-board, but everything else I own (including 14in M1 MBPro) only has 1gb nic. I would love to upgrade my core switch to 2.5/10, but need strategy for other devices to take advantage of. THANK YOU!
Great video, I would love to change to 2.5GbE in my network but imo it is still to expesnive. Only complaint about he video is the transition music was obnoxiously loud imo.
I recently discovered this channel and fell in love with it due to the products reviewed on it. And then it started to feel incomplete. Mostly due to the comprehensiveness of testing. For example in this review, it feel that different routing scenarios would be helpful to understand the capabilities of those units. For example ports 1+2+5+6 communicating with the 10Gig and the rest between them. In videos about mini PCs with multiple ports, I'd love to see more detailed BIOS overview, VFIO configuration, GPU capabilities (can it handle 4K HDR for example). Those little boxes can be used for many purposes. Including combination of few. For example, I'd love to have one that have 3-4 2.5Gig ports, 1-2 10Gig ports, Wi-Fi card with antennas option and at least 2 storage slots (1 can be SATA). And with all that HW, i'd want it to run a host like proxmox with following VMs: general purpose OS for KODI + virtualized router + virtualized NAS. Maybe the first VM will be the host if I can't figure out how to share the iGPU with host. So I'd love to see more in depth reviews of those units.
I have a 5 port trendnet sitting on my desk, it's useless as it strips the vlan tags on the way thru. It was a cheap 5 port 2.5gbit 'dumb switch', which is what I needed, but, I need it to pass vlan tags too.
Thanks for the review Patrick! I agree, I am waiting for the major switch vendors like Netgear, Qnap, etc to make something like this. I run a Netgear GS series 16 port gigabit and would upgrade immediately if they released 2.5Gbe gear tech..
Pretty good. I couldn't find anything like this when I was looking before. I like HP networking gear but I don't know if they even make "prosumer" stuff any more. Right now I'm using a bunch of cheap RTL 4-port 2.5Gb PCIe cards. It requires a beefy server class machine so although the cards are cheap, the server is not.
I went to buy the Sodola from the previous video. While shopping I saw the 8+1SFp version and figured since the Sodola 6 got such raves from ServTheHome I would risk it and go with the 8+1SFp. Thus far (3 days) I have been quite happy with it. Having the SFp to talk at 10GB with our MikroTik and open up a regular port has been a real benefit.
It's great that this category of switches is getting popular, though nothing perfectly meets my needs cheaply. Fanless metal 6-8 port 2.5G and 2 port 10G with both baseT and SFP+ would be perfect. Netgear GS110MX looks decent for 2x10G, but only 1G on other ports.
Fanless with a lot of 10Gbase-T is hard due to the PHYs. We are finishing recording a video this weekend on the $245 8x 10Gbase-T Hasivo managed switch shown in the latest Perfect 1L homelab video. Expact that one soon.
No cable retention? No problem. Go to your local hardware store, buy a small pack of R-Type Cable Clamps in 1/8" and double duty the ground screw as the mount point for the clamp.
This is getting there. The price is about right, honestly a max of $100 US would make these sell. But yeah, we need bigger names with (at least on paper) warranty & technical support behind them to sell something like this. I'd drop an extra $20 for a 2nd 10g port. Really though I'd love one with a 10Gb RJ-45 port instead of an SFP port. That media change is a barrier a lot of casual users will balk at. So many videos talk about 2.5Gb as being commonplace on devices, but with switches that require new cabling, it's still a hard sell. If all you have to do is make sure the cable I plug into the 10Gb port is good enough to handle 10Gb, and not deal with SFP ports or optical at all, *then* it's a drop in replacement. That is a *HUGE* factor for a home user or even an enthusiast on a budget. It's something I think a lot of folks that pretty much went to stuff with SFP ports just gave up on and accepted as the price for more speed. It changes what you consider 'affordable' and moves it squarely into "it's a little expensive" given you have to buy more stuff to get the most out of it. All RJ-45 gets them in the game immediately and then if they catch that speed itch, 10Gb costs and SFP seem less pricey.
@@MadLadsAnonymous Not anytime soon. Wireless access points will drive that, and I don't think 10Gb links to WAP's is that common. As faster WiFi actually propagates to mass adoption (a/b/g/n still far outnumbers everything else out there) then it'll become necessary, but right now. 2.5Gb on WAPs seems like where things have settled.
That‘s Great, 8 Port for 2.5 GBit, 1 SFP Port - and for 24/7 -> low power consumption 👍🏻 when you need no managed things (e.g. vlans), just Plug in and Start - thanks for the Test/Video! And they are fanless, no noise!
regarding the brand names, i'm guessing it's along the lines of LTT's video on why Amazon has such weird brand names (i should know; i work there 😩... soooo many of those weird freakin' brand names. i feel they name by wheel of fortune spins but for letters)
I would guess it is HoraCo as in Hora, latin: hour and Co (Company) so with a hard c… BUT I could also be totally wrong. Anyways, I hope there will soon be some cool 10Gbit Base-T switches that are equally as cheap
I have no idea but I'd guess Horaco is pronounced just like it's spelled, i.e. with a hard _C_ like the second syllable of Cisco or Sysco. Probably short for _corp_ or _company._ Regardless, it's a Hora-ble name.
Thanks for highlighting these devices. I'll admit, I am a unifi guy for switches and APs. The single pane of glass made my life much easier as I learned to administer my own home / home office. I hope this new batch of inexpensive 2.5 and 10GBE switches will light a fire under the competition.
on the power supplies - that CE marking spacing is wrong... that's not the European safety mark its often referred to as the Chinese Export mark. its often used to try and trick the inspectors and consumers it seems...
I just upgraded my whole house to 2.5GbE with a few of the Nicgiga a couple of weeks ago, even before seeing this video. It's been running great! I do have a problem getting a M1 Mac Studio Ultra to connect reliably, though.
FYI, thanks for the content. I just purchased two of the Nicgiga switches using your links (just upgraded some Moca 2.5 links and my NAS). Very much appreciated and useful content. Still looking for a good wifi 6e router that supports at least 2.5 on both uplink and LAN.
They'd have to add their packet-sniffing chips which slow down the overall performance... But I'm sure they will soon enough BTW: You should never install Ubiquiti in somebody else's home... unless you convince them to sign the ULA - the Ubiquiti LAN side snooping is not what hi-value clients want in their home networks
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@13:32 - Another reason you would pay more to buy it from a US distributor is that there is also the fact that if you have an issue, trying to get a replacement/doing a return with Aliexpress is going to be a pain in the ass vs Amazon.
Looks very good in terms of price/performance. I just need to be sure of stability, you got me worried mentioning that the unit powered down. Would be great to put these through some stress tests.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo That’s likely the intent of whoever named it in Shenzhen. You’d think if they were ponying up the extra cash for a 4 color box that they’d check if the brand name was a little borderline.
I'm guessing that Realtek chip is mostly for use in home routers that traditionally contain a similar 1Gbps or 100Mbps chip connected to the embedded CPU. If so, I suspect a small CPU could turn it into a managed switch configured entirely over standard SNMP with IPv6 automatic addressing.
Thanks for this video, I was looking to get three 2.5 switches so that all my local network is 2.5 but the prices have been putting me off. Gonna look at these options for sure
As a guy who works for a router/switch manufacturer in Europe, all I can say about why the known brands don't have the cheapo switches is: A: Certifications are a bitch and expensive B: Any quality control, where you test more then, hey, the power LED turn on, makes it more expensive by a lot C: Things are built from more quality PCB components so the things last D: Support does not come for free and man do enterprise and big wig companies love that
I am waiting for TP-Link to have something like this in their Omada line. I have a managed 1-gig poe switch. I just want to add a couple of 2.5 or 10-gig from my server and one to my workstation.
About to buy a nicgiga switch, hopefully it works well. (not the one in this video but one with four 2.5 gig POE ports and two 10 gig SFP+ ports, that one is small enough to fit a 10 inch rack i'm planning on)
just bought a 4-port 10G switch with SFP+ ports. have it installed in my server and it's the bees knees. Just needed to add an extra case fan to keep it cool!
Except you need to have something that will interface with the SFP+ which will add quite a bit to the pricing. If you already have the right connectors, you are correct, but if you don't, then your connectors could be more expensive than your actual switch once you add up the costs. Right?
@@reasonsreasonably just stick with SFP+ throughout. If you only have a simple network you can use two port cards in bridge mode and no switch. The copper wires can be a few metres long and only £15. The main reason I use SFP+ is to have a separate PC and server, which are on the same desk, actually two servers and one PC daisy chained together. It works fine and dirt cheap. They also have 1GBe for longer runs, WiFi and Internet access.
I saw this review and immediately ordered me one, and delivery was super fast to Belgium( less than 3 days), I think they have a warehouse here, I got the HORACO 8 Port 2.5G Ethernet Switch $119.52 USD.. not to bad at all :) now I just need to test it :) to bad it doesn't come with an European plug.
A few very minor firmware bugs aside (pertaining to using STMP at the same time as using LACP lags), these are very solid value and excellent performers for the money.
that's pretty cool. Are there any low-power managed 2.5G switches? I'm currently using mikrotik RB260GSP and I love them for having a powerful management interface and passive POE(because it can be passed through). Even ignoring price I can't find anything that fits those requirements right now.
Sorry about the transition at 8:37 guys. I edited it. This is why I am usually not allowed to edit our videos.
back to the dungeon you go!
@@TheDillio187 reporting there soon.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo That was a jump scare man
Have you had these inspected by an IT sec professional or a hardware engineer?
@@JuriusDoctor That's what I wanted to ask as well. LTT may be able to do with all the new hiring they've been doing.
2.5 and 10Gbps passively cooled for around $100 is a big deal even if you don’t want these. It’ll start to drive down the cost of other vendors.
That is the hope.
Yeah, I wouldn’t buy these. But when prices start to come down I’ll pick up one from a reputable brand. You just never know with these lesser Chinese brands.
Just ordered one on Taobao for 399 RMB which is about 57 USD. Hope it could be even cheaper down the road.
@@ruconscious what brands are you buying from now? what're you working with on the regular? Have a house Im getting ready to wire up.
Those "other vendors" are a little slower than these Chinese brands, but I'm betting we'll see companies like TP-Link give us 4-port (5-port) and 8-port (9-port) versions as soon as they start incorporating these seemingly super affordable Realtek RTL8373+RTL8224 solutions. I'm hoping that Realtek follows up with some slightly higher-end versions of the RTL8373+RTL8224 solution with some management, ability to do some VLAN tagging, frame size modification, etc, nothing crazy, add some simple management to give us something that many of us would feel more comfortable using in an office or prosumer scenario. As of right now, I would never connect any of these four brands to any device with any sort of sensitive data until I saw an in-depth security audit ensuring that there aren't backdoors or other hidden gems baked into these switches.
Man enunciated "nicgiga" REAL carefully 💀
Can you *please* start testing how the unmanaged switches handle VLAN-tagged frames? It's undefined for unmanaged switches in general, but some will e.g. strip VLAN tags out, others will pass them on, some could drop them, etc. Knowing how these unmanaged switchs react to being placed in a VLAN-aware environment may enable someone to mix them in even if they're unmanaged.
Very good point. I also would love to see this being tested.
Maybe Realtek has made a new switch chip seeing the low power figures. Good to finally see some progress on 2.5G.
We show the diagram of the two Realtek chips used here. They were announced in 2022 so pretty new.
Absolutely, FINALLY!
It should be noted that the maximum power you can pull out of an SFP+ cage is only 3W, and typically a DAC cable pulls under 1W. It's why 10GBaseT in the data centre is bonkers crazy.
@@jonathanbuzzard1376 Yeah, compared to 10GB CAT5 cards which really need a fan to keep them cool. The other thing about SFP+ DAC is super low latency compared to CAT5 for some reason.
@@wayland7150 That's a really good point, the encoding for twisted pair is going to increase latency over a DAC cable. If our latest proposals are approved I will be getting my first servers with 10GBaseT later this year 😞 Plus point is that they will be plugged into a 1Gbps switch, used only for provisioning and will thereafter be using ConnectX-6 cards at 100Gbps with a mix of SR4 and DAC. Can't avoid the 10GBaseT unfortunately.
Realtek announced a bunch of networking ICs last year at CES 2022. I think we are going to see more products using these solutions.
Yes. The chips in this are from that batch.
I appreciate not having the rewind intro on this video
The intro is still a WIP.
I didn't wanna say anything but yea kinda agree.
Better not do any intros, it's refreshing to have the content right away. For other videos, there's stuff like r evanced where you can setup it to skip intros among other things
Personally I like a short intro
@@ServeTheHomeVideo You don't need cringe zoomer gimmicks. You're an enthusiast/semi-professional hardware review channel, not a gatcha reaction channel selling gambling games and overpriced plastic to children. You already create evergreen content with an easy stream of new content to cover, there's no reason to make your content embarrasing or actively annoying to watch in a professional setting.
This is exactly what I've been looking for! So many other switches you guys have been covering have only been 4 or 5 ports. With this you get 8 ports plus the SFP port (which I've also been looking for). Thanks Patrick and the rest of the team for working on this! :D
I just had a conversation yesterday with my rep from Juniper Networks about their lack of 2.5 options on their SOHO and SMB devices. Its really time for vendors to make the transition. Especially when dealing with non - modular units
Yes I would love to get my SRX 300 upgraded to be more than 1Gb uplink as ISPs are offering more options now.
@@GooseVan sadly most isp in USA are not doing that. Well document about bad isp data on speeds
Good on companies like Sodola for bringing these to market. It's about time. Mikrotik have had suitable products for a while but too few ports.
I have been using a Horaco version for about a month. I was genuinely surprised when the blurb about power usage was proven to be true. I use the unit fully populated 6x 2.5, 2x 1gbit and the 10G SFP+ to my workstation. No issues at all so far. The only difference in my implementation is that I do not use the included power brick as this was supplied as US with a UK adapter. I just wish there was a larger version as the TP-Link TL-SH1832 is a massive pain to import.
Glad to see 2.5gbe and 10gbe finally reach consumer prices! This will be the year for major upgrades
it need to be more cheaper
I cannot afford it
Switching still seems to be the biggest hurdle in multi gig networking. Especially with cable and fiber deployments doing 2.5 to 5Gb on modem/router ports. These with the 10Gb uplink seem to be the best options. Allowing the 2.5Gb WAN connection as well as a few 2.5Gb clients direct on the switch with 10Gb back to your rack machines. Since a lot of Prosumer/older enterprise gear still doesn't behave well with 2.5Gb links. Usually requiring trial and error or finding somebody that has already done with work finding SFP+ to RJ45 transceivers that behave with your gear at 2.5/5Gb.
I don't wanna be "that person" but also I'm hesitant with these switches because of their origin. Was recently having a conversation with a friend who has worked in defense and semiconductor industry and the backdoors built into chinese network boards seems so sketch
@@chess598That's just the current anti-china campaign, don't trust the rumor these guys are under orders to spread. You'd be amazed at the backdoors in US products made in the past 7 years .
@@chess598 Pretty much this, and the fact they've had no market certification is another reason they're cheap as dirt. Without those safety standard checks they can get away with this, and depending on country invalidate your premises insurance!
@@chess598 Oh, I completely get that part. I really just meant this type of device as a simple managed or unmanaged switch from a traditionally in market vendor with proper certifications. There is money to be made if somebody like a Ubiquiti, TP-Link, MikroTek etc would make something like this. Even if around 200-$220. I am already out a SFP+ and about $30-35 a transceiver to properly support a 2.5Gb port in my setup. So a proper non POE just client switch at even $250 I'm saving per port.
Make sure to put a load on the switch while checking power consumption
I just got a couple of the Sodala ones so I could utilize the 2.5G ethernet on my new systems in my office and have a fiber uplink to my rack. Pretty much perfect for what I needed.
Thanks for making 2.5g vids. There's no way I can rewire my house from Cat5e to Cat6, so I appreciate the in depth reviews of something I can actually use
Luckily I wirted my house directly with cat6a :D
I'd definitely be interested in managed versions of these. That and PoE versions.
Me too. I need SMB multichannel for an outdated NAS that has only 2x1GbE on board.
Got to be careful saying that NICGIGA switch or you'll offend someone unintentionally. Ha ha. Patrick talks wicked fast so that makes it even harder.
Great video Patrick I'm certainly going to be picked up one of these for my lab. I've been waiting for something like this for a while.
Chinese naming is wild. I have KZ earphones with SS sized eartips.
Luckily, I don't care if I offend people. I'd buy that brand mainly for the name.
My NICGIGA
I see something like this can be a goal for TP-Link and Unify as they would get users into their Eco-system that then also would make them push those into their enterprise business use.
The NICGIGA and SODOLA are like 70$ now 5 months later. Good Deal!
I enjoy fanless for less maintenance. And less noise is kind of a bonus. For me
Nice, love a host with energy and passion, makes the media more interesting! And nicgiga is a bit hard to say lol. I have one of their 2.5gbe cards in my nas.
So you have a nicgiga in your nas.. cool
Its the only bling in the nas
These are indeed awesome..! Assuming they are indeed stable.. I mean network stability is key! A switch should just work 24/7.
Personally I would like to have 2x(or more) 5 gb/s, 1x atleast 10gb/s and the remaining 2.5gb/s.
I bought the Horaco one for 58€ based on the review. I bought it because of the very low energy consumption and the values from this test matches my own measurements. Thank you !
I'm currently looking at that exact same switch. How did it work out for you? Everything fine?
I think the best way to say Horaco is to say co as in company, something like horako. Great video!
Probably - the first take had like 4 different pronunciations so I tried to cut this down to one. It may have been the wrong one.
Sounds like a Fallout 4 company.
I wish the Ubiquiti USW-Enterprise-8-PoE was in this sort of price. The pricing on these four switches is fantastic.
Yeah, even if it was in the $200-$250 range it'd be an easy buy for me, seems like a great thing for Mikrotik to come out with
add poe+ they be perfect for new 2.5g access points.
We covered a few of those in our 2.5GbE Mega-round-up th-cam.com/video/brQUwucJLtg/w-d-xo.html
they aren't - it's a dumm uncontrollable switch, while in your network - you wanna route all traffic through vlan to secure your network from wireless hackers, right?
@@s.i.m.c.a You really shouldn't rely on VLANs for security.
I’ve got a little 8 port unmanaged Mokerlink PoE switch that has been fantastic for what it is. Think it was $35-$45 a couple years ago when I grabbed it.
I have two Horaco 5-port switches in use and I am satisfied. One is downstairs and one is upstairs. The 5 port switches have 4 ports on an IC under the heat sink, the 5th port has its own IC and there is also the SFP+ port.
I also tried two fiber SFPs to connect both switches. This works perfectly with 10GBit.
For testing, I also got an SFP to 2.5GBit LAN module that works perfectly.
The only downside was that the power adapters do not come with European plugs but with US plugs. An adapter is required. The power adapters also work with 240 Volts 50 Hz.
With the small price difference, the 8 port only costs 10 to 20 $€£ more than the 5 port. Both also have the SFP+ port.
I went with an unmanaged 2.5 tplink and a cheap tplink 1gb "smart" poe for now
Tplink has a cool 10/5/2.5/1/... Switch but it's non poe and maybe even unmanaged.
The switches that are also managed and poe from reputable brands are ridiculously expensive.
Will upgrade in a few years when it makes sense.
Kudos on not botching that Nicgiga name, that could be problematic LOL
*concern*
Glad I'm not the only one who was thinking the same thing
Ok you convinced me to go buy this immediately after watching this video...Now I just have to buy some machines that actually have 2.5gb NIC's, and a new core switch that has SPF+ for the uplink...My credit card company would like to thank you for your contribution to my escalating debt. lol
These reviews on 2.5/10 switches are so valuable. Can you offer a companion vid series on USB4/TB 2.5/10 adapters/dongles. Many of us have recently purchased laptops and desktops that only have 1gb nics, but have USB4/TB high speed ports. As example, I have a Mac Studio which has 10gb nic on-board, but everything else I own (including 14in M1 MBPro) only has 1gb nic. I would love to upgrade my core switch to 2.5/10, but need strategy for other devices to take advantage of. THANK YOU!
Great video, I would love to change to 2.5GbE in my network but imo it is still to expesnive. Only complaint about he video is the transition music was obnoxiously loud imo.
My fault on that. I did some editing... and that is why they do not let me do editing.
guy, they're less than $150 dollars. you're not buying a $1000 cisco switch.
What I only hear Tinnitus now.. (I'm not joking)
@@RobertoCarlos-tn1iq Yes tey do not cost thousands of dollars but are still expensive. Compared to a gigabit switch they cost 5-6x more.
wow you really blew my speakers there at 8:36! Gotta watch those levels on post
That was my fault. :0(
I recently discovered this channel and fell in love with it due to the products reviewed on it.
And then it started to feel incomplete. Mostly due to the comprehensiveness of testing.
For example in this review, it feel that different routing scenarios would be helpful to understand the capabilities of those units. For example ports 1+2+5+6 communicating with the 10Gig and the rest between them.
In videos about mini PCs with multiple ports, I'd love to see more detailed BIOS overview, VFIO configuration, GPU capabilities (can it handle 4K HDR for example). Those little boxes can be used for many purposes. Including combination of few.
For example, I'd love to have one that have 3-4 2.5Gig ports, 1-2 10Gig ports, Wi-Fi card with antennas option and at least 2 storage slots (1 can be SATA). And with all that HW, i'd want it to run a host like proxmox with following VMs: general purpose OS for KODI + virtualized router + virtualized NAS. Maybe the first VM will be the host if I can't figure out how to share the iGPU with host.
So I'd love to see more in depth reviews of those units.
I have a 5 port trendnet sitting on my desk, it's useless as it strips the vlan tags on the way thru. It was a cheap 5 port 2.5gbit 'dumb switch', which is what I needed, but, I need it to pass vlan tags too.
You're the first person I've seen put a load on the switches and show the throughput they can do.
That's what I want to see.
Thanks for the review Patrick! I agree, I am waiting for the major switch vendors like Netgear, Qnap, etc to make something like this. I run a Netgear GS series 16 port gigabit and would upgrade immediately if they released 2.5Gbe gear tech..
Pretty good. I couldn't find anything like this when I was looking before. I like HP networking gear but I don't know if they even make "prosumer" stuff any more. Right now I'm using a bunch of cheap RTL 4-port 2.5Gb PCIe cards. It requires a beefy server class machine so although the cards are cheap, the server is not.
for something like that fanless is great, i might actually buy one
I have a couple of Nicgiga PCIe NICs. Certainly a brand name that causes a double take.
I went to buy the Sodola from the previous video. While shopping I saw the 8+1SFp version and figured since the Sodola 6 got such raves from ServTheHome I would risk it and go with the 8+1SFp. Thus far (3 days) I have been quite happy with it. Having the SFp to talk at 10GB with our MikroTik and open up a regular port has been a real benefit.
It's great that this category of switches is getting popular, though nothing perfectly meets my needs cheaply. Fanless metal 6-8 port 2.5G and 2 port 10G with both baseT and SFP+ would be perfect. Netgear GS110MX looks decent for 2x10G, but only 1G on other ports.
Fanless with a lot of 10Gbase-T is hard due to the PHYs. We are finishing recording a video this weekend on the $245 8x 10Gbase-T Hasivo managed switch shown in the latest Perfect 1L homelab video. Expact that one soon.
No cable retention? No problem. Go to your local hardware store, buy a small pack of R-Type Cable Clamps in 1/8" and double duty the ground screw as the mount point for the clamp.
Honestly, where are you guys putting these to make that an actual concern? I'd expect most switches sold just sit on, in, or behind a shelf somewhere
@@Max24871 Until you have your spouse decide to dust that shelf and picks it up to dust it and under it and snags the cable :)
Enjoying your content Patrick!
Thank you Carey
This is getting there. The price is about right, honestly a max of $100 US would make these sell. But yeah, we need bigger names with (at least on paper) warranty & technical support behind them to sell something like this. I'd drop an extra $20 for a 2nd 10g port.
Really though I'd love one with a 10Gb RJ-45 port instead of an SFP port.
That media change is a barrier a lot of casual users will balk at. So many videos talk about 2.5Gb as being commonplace on devices, but with switches that require new cabling, it's still a hard sell. If all you have to do is make sure the cable I plug into the 10Gb port is good enough to handle 10Gb, and not deal with SFP ports or optical at all, *then* it's a drop in replacement.
That is a *HUGE* factor for a home user or even an enthusiast on a budget. It's something I think a lot of folks that pretty much went to stuff with SFP ports just gave up on and accepted as the price for more speed. It changes what you consider 'affordable' and moves it squarely into "it's a little expensive" given you have to buy more stuff to get the most out of it.
All RJ-45 gets them in the game immediately and then if they catch that speed itch, 10Gb costs and SFP seem less pricey.
Ok, rookie question:
Do you foresee a switch with 10Gb RJ-45 and PoE for a reasonable price?
@@MadLadsAnonymous Not anytime soon. Wireless access points will drive that, and I don't think 10Gb links to WAP's is that common. As faster WiFi actually propagates to mass adoption (a/b/g/n still far outnumbers everything else out there) then it'll become necessary, but right now. 2.5Gb on WAPs seems like where things have settled.
That‘s Great, 8 Port for 2.5 GBit, 1 SFP Port - and for 24/7 -> low power consumption 👍🏻
when you need no managed things (e.g. vlans), just Plug in and Start - thanks for the Test/Video!
And they are fanless, no noise!
regarding the brand names, i'm guessing it's along the lines of LTT's video on why Amazon has such weird brand names (i should know; i work there 😩... soooo many of those weird freakin' brand names. i feel they name by wheel of fortune spins but for letters)
i've been enjoying your content for quite some time now, also you seem like a really nice person 🙂
I would be happy to see a port config like this from mikrotik. Basically just an update to the CSS610 to use 2.5G instead of 1G.
Yes
Yes with all that Mikrotik switching and routing smartness.
That one brand name might get you some very pointed questions from HR.
I totally misread NICGIGA at first glance.
HA! My immature self laughed at the "hard R"-like sound
No one should name a company that starts with Ni and ends with Ga with only one syllable in-between.
But Patrick from STH nailed it like it's any other day 😂
Nicgiga, not Nicgiger! haha
This brand will get many tech youtubers cancelled at some point
I'm going to say that switch name wrong at some point.
I would guess it is HoraCo as in Hora, latin: hour and Co (Company) so with a hard c… BUT I could also be totally wrong.
Anyways, I hope there will soon be some cool 10Gbit Base-T switches that are equally as cheap
I have no idea but I'd guess Horaco is pronounced just like it's spelled, i.e. with a hard _C_ like the second syllable of Cisco or Sysco. Probably short for _corp_ or _company._ Regardless, it's a Hora-ble name.
Picked two of the mokerlink units for 75 dollars each! I’m excited to use the SFP+ port for the link between the two as well
Sweet!
Thanks for highlighting these devices. I'll admit, I am a unifi guy for switches and APs. The single pane of glass made my life much easier as I learned to administer my own home / home office. I hope this new batch of inexpensive 2.5 and 10GBE switches will light a fire under the competition.
oh with the lack of certifications they are going to light on fire allright, not necessarily under the competition
@@marcogenovesi8570 lol well… Probabaly not, but probably really isn’t good enough in this case 😅
Exactly, Unifi has nothing like these switches.
on the power supplies - that CE marking spacing is wrong... that's not the European safety mark its often referred to as the Chinese Export mark. its often used to try and trick the inspectors and consumers it seems...
Nicgiga treading a fine line with that naming
I just upgraded my whole house to 2.5GbE with a few of the Nicgiga a couple of weeks ago, even before seeing this video. It's been running great! I do have a problem getting a M1 Mac Studio Ultra to connect reliably, though.
What I want is a switch with 4x 2.5, and 1x 10gSFP+ uplink that runs UI. That would be the perfect desktop switch for my home/office desk.
Would like to see some 5-ports version with the same power efficiency of the new Realtek chips.
With cables 5e you can easly do 10Gbit connection for few meters.
I'm doing 10Gb on a Cat5e cable right now. The cable is 50ft+. Works great. The cable was installed 20 years ago.
@12:53 - Horaco = Horako no ch in the word. Great work.
I need a basic managed switch with a few mgig ports and some gig ports with a 10g uplink. First vendor to make that gets my money lol
What about ZYXEL XGS1210-12 or XGS1250-12 ?
FYI, thanks for the content. I just purchased two of the Nicgiga switches using your links (just upgraded some Moca 2.5 links and my NAS). Very much appreciated and useful content. Still looking for a good wifi 6e router that supports at least 2.5 on both uplink and LAN.
this guy rocking a blue top LTT screwdriver... i want!
Thanks to Jake and Linus for that :-)
I wish Ubiquiti would create a switch like this. Even if not managed.
They'd have to add their packet-sniffing chips which slow down the overall performance... But I'm sure they will soon enough
BTW: You should never install Ubiquiti in somebody else's home... unless you convince them to sign the ULA - the Ubiquiti LAN side snooping is not what hi-value clients want in their home networks
@@Andrew_M_Ward what does it sniff for?
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SFP upstream is a huge plus for running fiber to an outbuilding next to your direct-bury feeder or in conduit with THHN.
This excites me more than it should!
Nice, finally we have them at decent prices.
It sells for ¥399 in China, about $54.
That is part of my point on why these are so expensive elsewhere
@13:32 - Another reason you would pay more to buy it from a US distributor is that there is also the fact that if you have an issue, trying to get a replacement/doing a return with Aliexpress is going to be a pain in the ass vs Amazon.
Looks very good in terms of price/performance. I just need to be sure of stability, you got me worried mentioning that the unit powered down. Would be great to put these through some stress tests.
Patrick's career was flashing before his eyes as he said "Nicgiga"
Confused. I think it is a NIC (network interface card) with GIGA (gigabyte/ gigabit) or something like that
@@ServeTheHomeVideo That’s likely the intent of whoever named it in Shenzhen. You’d think if they were ponying up the extra cash for a 4 color box that they’d check if the brand name was a little borderline.
I'm guessing that Realtek chip is mostly for use in home routers that traditionally contain a similar 1Gbps or 100Mbps chip connected to the embedded CPU. If so, I suspect a small CPU could turn it into a managed switch configured entirely over standard SNMP with IPv6 automatic addressing.
I am not buying any sketchy brands. Thank you very much.
That is exactly the point being made in the ask at the end.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I enjoy your videos. Thank you.
I've purchased a few sketchy brand switches and have never had an issue with them.
Cheap Chinese made switches may be shipping with malicious firmware. Buyer beware.
Thanks for this video, I was looking to get three 2.5 switches so that all my local network is 2.5 but the prices have been putting me off. Gonna look at these options for sure
As a guy who works for a router/switch manufacturer in Europe, all I can say about why the known brands don't have the cheapo switches is:
A: Certifications are a bitch and expensive
B: Any quality control, where you test more then, hey, the power LED turn on, makes it more expensive by a lot
C: Things are built from more quality PCB components so the things last
D: Support does not come for free and man do enterprise and big wig companies love that
You can probably use a more efficient GaN PSU as well.
Great video Patrick, Thank you and my mokerlink and Mikrotik switches work great for my labs.
Super!!
Got mine ~$60 directly from china a week ago
Love the video and the channel. Guys audio is all over the board. Please normalize or check the audio. Not the 5th time or so for this issue.
That's great... Need to drop a bit more before I upgrade my gears.
The reason we don't see it from the larger manufacturers in this price range because they want max profit.
Sodola and Horico will eat their lunch!
I've never heard a worker say they want a "pay cut" more a raise, so we all are about the maximum profit.
Horacio has similar switches as managed.
But buyer reviews weren't convincing because of the interface. Please test one of these.
Wicked content Patrick, I thinks i might have to grab one !
Segment transition music is booming
I am waiting for TP-Link to have something like this in their Omada line. I have a managed 1-gig poe switch. I just want to add a couple of 2.5 or 10-gig from my server and one to my workstation.
We have something like what you mention coming. The team has been working on the review
@@ServeTheHomeVideo GREAT!
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I can't sleep now...!
And... where is it?
About to buy a nicgiga switch, hopefully it works well.
(not the one in this video but one with four 2.5 gig POE ports and two 10 gig SFP+ ports, that one is small enough to fit a 10 inch rack i'm planning on)
just bought a 4-port 10G switch with SFP+ ports. have it installed in my server and it's the bees knees. Just needed to add an extra case fan to keep it cool!
As long as you don't mind SFP+ (which you shouldn't) cheap 10GBe switches have been around for years. Just look at MikroTik's lineup
SFP+ is good for everything under your desk but CAT6 cable is easier to wire through your building.
Except you need to have something that will interface with the SFP+ which will add quite a bit to the pricing. If you already have the right connectors, you are correct, but if you don't, then your connectors could be more expensive than your actual switch once you add up the costs. Right?
@@reasonsreasonably just stick with SFP+ throughout. If you only have a simple network you can use two port cards in bridge mode and no switch. The copper wires can be a few metres long and only £15. The main reason I use SFP+ is to have a separate PC and server, which are on the same desk, actually two servers and one PC daisy chained together. It works fine and dirt cheap. They also have 1GBe for longer runs, WiFi and Internet access.
Great Video Patrick!
Thanks!
Great video. Thanks. This was helpful as I'm on the hunt for a fanless 16-port 2.5 gb switch, but coming up empty.
I saw this review and immediately ordered me one, and delivery was super fast to Belgium( less than 3 days), I think they have a warehouse here, I got the HORACO 8 Port 2.5G Ethernet Switch $119.52 USD.. not to bad at all :) now I just need to test it :) to bad it doesn't come with an European plug.
You could chuck the power brick in the bin and buy a certified off the shelf one.
That is wise. You can also power over PoE
A few very minor firmware bugs aside (pertaining to using STMP at the same time as using LACP lags), these are very solid value and excellent performers for the money.
Nicgiga, Please! Sorry after hearing that name I couldn't get that out of my head so I had to post it. No racism implied!
that's pretty cool. Are there any low-power managed 2.5G switches? I'm currently using mikrotik RB260GSP and I love them for having a powerful management interface and passive POE(because it can be passed through). Even ignoring price I can't find anything that fits those requirements right now.
Don’t forget the key to a switch is pps forwarding performance at different packet sizes
My Nicgiga!