As a white belt, I was rolling with a brown belt who told me off for this when it was inadvertent. Some BJJ schools just treat the IBJJF rules as the Bible.
You know why, in my opinion? Where I train, white belts are taught to focus on defence as a priority, and positional attainment and continuation/sequences (which 'may' end in a submission, but as a white, you won't often get there unless your training partner(s) are letting you get away with 'too much', in my opinion at least). Therefore defence gets locked in - I'm a white belt that gets submitted by higher belts, but my defence is such that they are at least almost always out of breath, and work for it. That is my somewhat objective measure that they aren't submitting me with ease, and so I have some kinda 'data' that focusing on defence as a white (I literally put myself in bad positions, give my back to try escape and defend it, etc. and when I go for subs, if they fail, I transition into another position to work on that over subs. I'll focus on that at blue and beyond). If you've read this far, my point is that by focussing on the defensive side of things at first as a white belt, you learn how to survive in a self defence scenario pretty well and pretty quickly for starts, much better than someone who doesn't intentionally mould their sparring like this... and two, (more relevantly to this discussion) you place your other, higher belted training partners at less risk of injury - because let's face it; human entangled bodies are dangerous, plain and simple. Upper belts are safe to roll with since they are experienced, white belts aren't because they aren't experienced. It's as simple as that - assuming of course good gym culture, upper belts aren't sharks but teachers, etc... Where I train, white belts must drill and practice and get in shape for 2-3 months before you are permitted to spar, and leg attacks are prohibited for white belts due to it's inherent risk. The idea of a white belt attempting to leg lock a brown belt, who is possibly older by definition almost (forgive me if I'm mistaken), they see a young person new to the art trying to do a move that could fuck their leg up for life if you do it wrong. You're a white belt, perhaps you should treat such moves with more reverence, unless you are solid and airtight in your understanding of all those foot locks and variations and defenses and possible risks therein. My 2 cents. Curious to hear anyone's thoughts on this, super interesting cultural differences in schools I guess, but at the end of the day it's all love and BJJ. Cheers :)
🤷🏻♂️ it happened to karate, it's happening to judo, it will happen to jiujitsu too Once tournament organizers become influential enough that people start treating their rules as regulations for the art as a whole, the art is dead
I kinda agree and disagree, certain rules are there to protect the competitiors, just like slamming, if you don't like knee reaps, go to a comp that allows knee reaps.
This video is super helpful. I'm a white belt (2 weeks in), but I used to wrestle with my friends a LOT. It was kind of our favorite thing to do (two of them did actual trained wrestling so we had to learn to defend against them). I have no bjj background or anything though. Anyway, I finish my "all belts class" where we focused on the turtle position, but the advanced "green belts and above" class starts. I had been practicing with brown belt and he asks if I want to spar. The head coach says it's ok as long as I only spar with purple belts and above. So we spar and I end up faking one way (he's in full guard) and then going the other and catch him in a leg lock. He then tells me that I'm reaping. I don't know what that means, but he seems kind of upset by it. He kind of explains it, but this video helped me a lot. He was definitely taking it easy on me, but I think he was upset because I did it. We talked after and everything is cool, but I wanted clarification and I appreciate your instruction.
Thank you for this. I'm a white belt and just got shown heel hooks. Someone mentioned a reap, had no clue what it was and their explanation wasn't that great.
@@godlyk3 I think PaseoDeLaEstrella was talking about "their explanation wasn't that great". It's not a hard concept to explain, much less in person. So, I may be concerned if they don't explain it well, because it may mean they are not familiar with modern leglocks and just use the old "crank it until they tap"
@@adrianarroyo937 is spot on, it's like Einstein said if you can't explain it to a six year old you don't understand it yourself. If that person can't explain what a reap is you shouldn't trust them to heel hook you because they'll likely hurt you.
When I was competing at Grappling Industries, I was in 50-50 and was going for a straight ankle lock. I turned my hips in just slightly and got DQ'd. I didn't even reap, but because I turned his knee in, I got DQ'd.
that’s weird for grapplers industries. Ref probably forgot he wasn’t at an IBJJF style tournament because they allow reaping unless it was white belt (not sure what’s allowed for white belts and beginners nogi ) and even so they are pretty lenient about the position. edit: also damn near impossible to reap in 5050 unless you move to game over position
@@hotkarate593 Yeah, sounds odd for grappling industries. However, I'm pretty sure at all belts reaping is disallowed in the gi, but I might be wrong about that. However, I'm pretty sure you can't reap in beginner no gi as well. Not sure if You can do it in intermediate though.
It reminds me a bit of the 12 to 6 elbow, that's only illegal because the NSAC needed to have SOME rules in place and they saw a guy break an ice block with it on television (which is totally not staged or anything)
I agree with you that its lame if you take advantage of the reaping rules, but to some extent I do follow the maxim, don't hate the player hate the game. Ibjjf is a disgrace how they handle some dq's. They're the ones that have the power to put an end to that kind of bullshit. They're all for it as far as I'm concerned.
I thought I would come back to reference this after seeing some really shitty DQ's at this years Pans 😂. Even if there was no control of the hip AT ALL when there was a bite on the ankle therefore no pressure on the knee, instant DQ. Seems like IBJJF are beyond keen to DQ for that single leg x, more so than any other organisation and should probably learn breaking mechanics and their own rules. My biggest pet peeve though is when people milk it when theyve been "reaped". F*ck off with that sh*t. With that in mind I quite often as soon as we enter cross ashi territory, underhook the near side leg and attack the far leg with a straight ankle which from my understanding is perfectly legal but would still get me DQ'd 😅😅
Nice, men's professional soccer (World Football) rules getting integrated into BJJ; get brushed by a breezed and go down acting as if you've had your head amputated.
Just last week we drilled an escape fromsingle leg x guard, it was just what youre doing, pushing with your right arm the left foot, knee down, grab pants and backstep and pass.so you pretty much risk injuring yourself with this pass? And is it ibjjf legal?
Multi Meter in most martial arts it’s the left side. It’s hard to tell in BJJ, Why? Look how student and Professor tie there belts,. 1 knot.2 or 3. So how can we decide. Happy Training
Hi Chewy. Thank you for your awesome videos. I have been watching them for over a year, but only just started training BJJ. What are you recommendations on headgear / ear guards? I'm a smaller guy, and most of the time I have no problems. I have a small problem when rolling with bigger guys that can really put the pressure on with triangles and headlocks. My ears get hurt for the next 2 weeks. I have tried cliff keen ear guards but the the front strap always gets ends up in my face, and the strap under the jaw is quite painful. Its there a better headgear option out there, or should I just give up on the ear guards and change my BJJ game instead?
If you can't get an arm in to make space before pulling your head out then just tap. I used to yank my head out of triangles and fucked my right ear up really quick, once I stopped trying to yank my head without space it healed up. Now it's only a problem if I get kicked or kneed in my ear on accident, which is pretty uncommon.
Chewy sir! Thank you for your work! Really would like to ask you about what should you do when guy got choked and went asleep...It’s just happened in my gym and I felt bit helpless! Thank you very much! Hope I m not the only interested!
hey chewy - great vid. I have a question about back control. I am about 5'8" and 150, and a fellow blue belt whom I roll with a a lot is 6'3" 210 lbs, and whenever I get the back control, he is just so big that he flattens me out and I can't get hooks or body lock. I feel like this is weird because bjj is about smaller people beating bigger, and the back is supposed to be the strongest position, so how come I am having trouble holding this guy in my back mount?
im pretty sure ibjjf changed the rules on this one. there is no more a dq if you reap without attacking the leg (single leg x) --> also no dq if you are the standing guy and push the foot down. only a warning for that und the ref reset the single leg x (there was a miayo match where this happend and the first time it caught my attention). makes a lot of sense i think, because you can slip by accident with your foot into reaping and dont want to be dq for that after paying so much money. in ashi its the same. dq for reaping if attacking the foot. witch makes perfectly sence, since you would turn belly down, not into your opponent, cause you cant heel hook.
I hear what you're saying about the rules. But they're not always followed to the T. I've had a student DQ'd for a person moving his leg in the position and I've seen it happen to others. I've always watched people get warnings. They're not very consistent about the situation.
My apologies for commenting from far outside the cult of ju, but this pickyness about trivia is why I will never consider bjj for self defense. For sport, sure why not if you have the time. But I would want to know how to do what works when someone might want to kill me. There is no tap out on the streets, no fairness or "feelings" only life or death. Where do I find a grappling school that embraces this?
well its a sport. sport rules. you never done it. why you complain ? why does everything has to work on the street? you are going to play single leg x into ashi on the streets ? YIKES
It all depends on how and where you train. If you want to train for self defense find a good Gracie JJ school and you can skip all of these silly aspects of the sport JJ.
@@uipize u dumbass it's not about street fight He's saying that jiu jitsu is becoming more like karate, making everything about sports, ofcourse rules based competitions are fun but we all want to feel confident about using it in real fight scenario. And I believe that's the main reason every martial arts were created by men
good old ibjjf lol afraid of everything -_- ive seen a video of a guy forcefully moving the leg over to a reap and then the guy who moved the leg got DQed not the guy in single leg X because the ref saw his unsportsmanlike cheating
As a white belt, I was rolling with a brown belt who told me off for this when it was inadvertent. Some BJJ schools just treat the IBJJF rules as the Bible.
I was a white belt in Tae Kwon Do and told off for blocking kick with a shorter kick. How else would you do it?
Lmao don’t fkn trip man me to I’m about to be a blue belt and I did this exact move on a brown belt and he started bitching idgf doe fk their egos
You know why, in my opinion? Where I train, white belts are taught to focus on defence as a priority, and positional attainment and continuation/sequences (which 'may' end in a submission, but as a white, you won't often get there unless your training partner(s) are letting you get away with 'too much', in my opinion at least). Therefore defence gets locked in - I'm a white belt that gets submitted by higher belts, but my defence is such that they are at least almost always out of breath, and work for it. That is my somewhat objective measure that they aren't submitting me with ease, and so I have some kinda 'data' that focusing on defence as a white (I literally put myself in bad positions, give my back to try escape and defend it, etc. and when I go for subs, if they fail, I transition into another position to work on that over subs. I'll focus on that at blue and beyond).
If you've read this far, my point is that by focussing on the defensive side of things at first as a white belt, you learn how to survive in a self defence scenario pretty well and pretty quickly for starts, much better than someone who doesn't intentionally mould their sparring like this... and two, (more relevantly to this discussion) you place your other, higher belted training partners at less risk of injury - because let's face it; human entangled bodies are dangerous, plain and simple. Upper belts are safe to roll with since they are experienced, white belts aren't because they aren't experienced. It's as simple as that - assuming of course good gym culture, upper belts aren't sharks but teachers, etc...
Where I train, white belts must drill and practice and get in shape for 2-3 months before you are permitted to spar, and leg attacks are prohibited for white belts due to it's inherent risk. The idea of a white belt attempting to leg lock a brown belt, who is possibly older by definition almost (forgive me if I'm mistaken), they see a young person new to the art trying to do a move that could fuck their leg up for life if you do it wrong. You're a white belt, perhaps you should treat such moves with more reverence, unless you are solid and airtight in your understanding of all those foot locks and variations and defenses and possible risks therein. My 2 cents.
Curious to hear anyone's thoughts on this, super interesting cultural differences in schools I guess, but at the end of the day it's all love and BJJ. Cheers :)
🤷🏻♂️ it happened to karate, it's happening to judo, it will happen to jiujitsu too
Once tournament organizers become influential enough that people start treating their rules as regulations for the art as a whole, the art is dead
I kinda agree and disagree, certain rules are there to protect the competitiors, just like slamming, if you don't like knee reaps, go to a comp that allows knee reaps.
@@sleepplayrepeat4946 I think he’s saying bjj schools shouldn’t limit what they teach because of the rules of ibjjf
This video is super helpful. I'm a white belt (2 weeks in), but I used to wrestle with my friends a LOT. It was kind of our favorite thing to do (two of them did actual trained wrestling so we had to learn to defend against them). I have no bjj background or anything though. Anyway, I finish my "all belts class" where we focused on the turtle position, but the advanced "green belts and above" class starts. I had been practicing with brown belt and he asks if I want to spar. The head coach says it's ok as long as I only spar with purple belts and above. So we spar and I end up faking one way (he's in full guard) and then going the other and catch him in a leg lock. He then tells me that I'm reaping. I don't know what that means, but he seems kind of upset by it. He kind of explains it, but this video helped me a lot. He was definitely taking it easy on me, but I think he was upset because I did it. We talked after and everything is cool, but I wanted clarification and I appreciate your instruction.
More knowledge for me, thank you sir.
By the way Adam is your best sidekick.
5:53 "why can't we do that Adam? "
Adam: 🎷👐
Thank you for this. I'm a white belt and just got shown heel hooks. Someone mentioned a reap, had no clue what it was and their explanation wasn't that great.
If the people you're doing heel hooks with don't know what a reap is don't let them do heel hooks on you.
@@MoooseBlood meant to say "I had no clue what it was."
@@godlyk3 I think PaseoDeLaEstrella was talking about "their explanation wasn't that great". It's not a hard concept to explain, much less in person. So, I may be concerned if they don't explain it well, because it may mean they are not familiar with modern leglocks and just use the old "crank it until they tap"
@@adrianarroyo937 is spot on, it's like Einstein said if you can't explain it to a six year old you don't understand it yourself.
If that person can't explain what a reap is you shouldn't trust them to heel hook you because they'll likely hurt you.
When I was competing at Grappling Industries, I was in 50-50 and was going for a straight ankle lock. I turned my hips in just slightly and got DQ'd. I didn't even reap, but because I turned his knee in, I got DQ'd.
that’s weird for grapplers industries. Ref probably forgot he wasn’t at an IBJJF style tournament because they allow reaping unless it was white belt (not sure what’s allowed for white belts and beginners nogi ) and even so they are pretty lenient about the position.
edit: also damn near impossible to reap in 5050 unless you move to game over position
@@hotkarate593 Yeah, sounds odd for grappling industries. However, I'm pretty sure at all belts reaping is disallowed in the gi, but I might be wrong about that. However, I'm pretty sure you can't reap in beginner no gi as well. Not sure if You can do it in intermediate though.
So I've been training for a while, but officially a blue belt, and I always say that "just peel it off" it works on everyone. 🤷♂️
It reminds me a bit of the 12 to 6 elbow, that's only illegal because the NSAC needed to have SOME rules in place and they saw a guy break an ice block with it on television (which is totally not staged or anything)
God bless you Chewing for still being around doing you BJJ thing. Maybe one day I can get you to come down to Louisiana to do a seminar.
Thanks chewy, nobody broke that down well before
The art was created to help with ground fighting. Making bjj a sport is what’s resulted in these changes
I don't care about getting reaped, I'm just so tired of getting heel hooked in the gi
In every legit BJJ Gym that teaches the whole Art and Not just a rule System.
Excellent Video! Thank you for showing this in detail!
If I ever compete under the IBJJF ruleset I'm not gonna mess with legs, it's just not worth the risk
try 5050 position.
Anyone thinking about (Don't Fear) The Reaper by Blue Oyster Cult while watching/listening to this video?
...now I gotta go listen to it.
Haha then go watch the SNL skit with Will Ferrel.
MORE COWBELL
Thanks for explaining! I always end up in the reap naturally and get yelled at.
Adam looks very excited about this whole thing haha
Man chewie makes me laugh so often
You've given me more than enough to chew on. Thanks!
I just want Adam to end with a philosophical rant in regaurds to the subject of the video one of these days.
@3:15 I get anxious seeing people having the instep of their leg around/under the leg being attacked (Adam's right instep in this case)
I agree with you that its lame if you take advantage of the reaping rules, but to some extent I do follow the maxim, don't hate the player hate the game. Ibjjf is a disgrace how they handle some dq's. They're the ones that have the power to put an end to that kind of bullshit. They're all for it as far as I'm concerned.
Omg! So funny! We were just talking about this in class today!!
Great 👍🏼 video - appreciate the details.
I thought I would come back to reference this after seeing some really shitty DQ's at this years Pans 😂. Even if there was no control of the hip AT ALL when there was a bite on the ankle therefore no pressure on the knee, instant DQ. Seems like IBJJF are beyond keen to DQ for that single leg x, more so than any other organisation and should probably learn breaking mechanics and their own rules. My biggest pet peeve though is when people milk it when theyve been "reaped". F*ck off with that sh*t.
With that in mind I quite often as soon as we enter cross ashi territory, underhook the near side leg and attack the far leg with a straight ankle which from my understanding is perfectly legal but would still get me DQ'd 😅😅
Nice, men's professional soccer (World Football) rules getting integrated into BJJ; get brushed by a breezed and go down acting as if you've had your head amputated.
loal
I've been getting called for reaps since I started rolling. tryna avoid it.
At derby city can you take both jiu jitsu and boxing
Yeah of course.
In the rules there is a point that if opponent grab your foot and initiate leg reap on himself, judge should just undo the position .
For self defense, we want the reap? I'm playing around with ashi garami, and half guard bottom. Thanks for the vid
Self defense?
@@Chewjitsu yeah like if I ended up getting in a fight, I land in ashi garami, I'd want the reap for getting them hurt right?
MaadLuck yeah you’d want to eye gouge, bite, punch, etc. doesn’t mean you will when you train.
@@Chewjitsu yeah of course, thanks
Very appreciated 🙏
Just last week we drilled an escape fromsingle leg x guard, it was just what youre doing, pushing with your right arm the left foot, knee down, grab pants and backstep and pass.so you pretty much risk injuring yourself with this pass? And is it ibjjf legal?
I don't know what you mean by risking an injury.
Theres a guy that trained at your gym at my gym now in Jacksonville FL. I dont remember his name
Dave. He has family down there.
What side does the bar go on the belt. I've seen people wear it on the left or right.
Left is the proper way.
@@MoooseBlood Thanks for the reply. I have rank in Karate and I've been told to wear my stripes to the left, so I did the same for the bar.
Multi Meter in most martial arts it’s the left side. It’s hard to tell in BJJ, Why?
Look how student and Professor tie there belts,. 1 knot.2 or 3. So how can we decide.
Happy Training
Great video thanks!
Hi Chewy. Thank you for your awesome videos. I have been watching them for over a year, but only just started training BJJ. What are you recommendations on headgear / ear guards? I'm a smaller guy, and most of the time I have no problems. I have a small problem when rolling with bigger guys that can really put the pressure on with triangles and headlocks. My ears get hurt for the next 2 weeks. I have tried cliff keen ear guards but the the front strap always gets ends up in my face, and the strap under the jaw is quite painful. Its there a better headgear option out there, or should I just give up on the ear guards and change my BJJ game instead?
you don't need better head gear, you need better rolling partners, that don't try to hurt you.
If you can't get an arm in to make space before pulling your head out then just tap. I used to yank my head out of triangles and fucked my right ear up really quick, once I stopped trying to yank my head without space it healed up. Now it's only a problem if I get kicked or kneed in my ear on accident, which is pretty uncommon.
I might have missed it, but how would you defend a reap if you’re the one on bottom
Chewy sir! Thank you for your work! Really would like to ask you about what should you do when guy got choked and went asleep...It’s just happened in my gym and I felt bit helpless! Thank you very much! Hope I m not the only interested!
Adam
Reap rule was/is stupid.
hey chewy - great vid. I have a question about back control. I am about 5'8" and 150, and a fellow blue belt whom I roll with a a lot is 6'3" 210 lbs, and whenever I get the back control, he is just so big that he flattens me out and I can't get hooks or body lock. I feel like this is weird because bjj is about smaller people beating bigger, and the back is supposed to be the strongest position, so how come I am having trouble holding this guy in my back mount?
You ever figure this out?
@@epo-mma I wanted the answer lol
im pretty sure ibjjf changed the rules on this one. there is no more a dq if you reap without attacking the leg (single leg x) --> also no dq if you are the standing guy and push the foot down. only a warning for that und the ref reset the single leg x (there was a miayo match where this happend and the first time it caught my attention). makes a lot of sense i think, because you can slip by accident with your foot into reaping and dont want to be dq for that after paying so much money.
in ashi its the same. dq for reaping if attacking the foot. witch makes perfectly sence, since you would turn belly down, not into your opponent, cause you cant heel hook.
I hear what you're saying about the rules. But they're not always followed to the T. I've had a student DQ'd for a person moving his leg in the position and I've seen it happen to others. I've always watched people get warnings. They're not very consistent about the situation.
My apologies for commenting from far outside the cult of ju, but this pickyness about trivia is why I will never consider bjj for self defense. For sport, sure why not if you have the time.
But I would want to know how to do what works when someone might want to kill me.
There is no tap out on the streets, no fairness or "feelings" only life or death.
Where do I find a grappling school that embraces this?
well its a sport. sport rules. you never done it. why you complain ? why does everything has to work on the street? you are going to play single leg x into ashi on the streets ? YIKES
It all depends on how and where you train. If you want to train for self defense find a good Gracie JJ school and you can skip all of these silly aspects of the sport JJ.
@@simonyadig thanks
Sport has its place, but I lack grappling skills in self defense, it's a big gap.
@@uipize u dumbass it's not about street fight
He's saying that jiu jitsu is becoming more like karate, making everything about sports, ofcourse rules based competitions are fun but we all want to feel confident about using it in real fight scenario. And I believe that's the main reason every martial arts were created by men
All I can see is an ashi garami here💁🏻♂️
Ibjjf is so antiquated with these rules
whys bro starin at me like that
Just dont watch the visual and you'll be listening Rener Gracie speak
Cheers Chewy!! Anyone else notice that Adam went to not the full traditional X guard but the reverse?? He crossed his ankles together haha
i don't train for ibjf tourneys i train for self defense
Yo I'm so dead the guy to the left of you I had a add about bjj that he was in and I was like o that's cool the skipped it them he was next to you🤣🤣
good old ibjjf lol afraid of everything -_- ive seen a video of a guy forcefully moving the leg over to a reap and then the guy who moved the leg got DQed not the guy in single leg X because the ref saw his unsportsmanlike cheating
Oss.