That culture of safety is the single most important thing a gym can have. No amount of skilled instructors, world champion athletes, or any other benefit matters to me The Hobbyist if I go into class wondering if I'm going to have full use of my body when I leave. Or in the same vein, no woman is going to want to train at a gym that allows creepers and predators to do their thing unhindered. There's no place for unsafe people in a good gym.
Spot on advice. Your red lines should be a) anyone can decline a roll with anyone b) your coaches put safety above everything else especially for lower belts. Ripping on submissions (especially ones that are illegal at white belt) isn't training hard, it's training stupid, and your career won't be very long. It's very likely that the brown belt has been training there for years and is representative of that gym's culture in which case they suck and you should leave and find a better one. You'll know once you speak to a coach about it, he'll either put basic safety or his brown belt first.
At my gym years ago there were 4-5 blue belts and one purple belt that decided to only train no gi all the time and focus on leg locks. They would just instruct themselves in a corner while the rest of the class trained under the instructor usually in gi more often than not. No idea why they were allowed to do this but I guess they were paying full fees just to rent a single square to themselves. They joined the rolls but did not participate in the group warmup or class. In gi this purple belt ripped a toe hold on my half guard as blue belt. My knee and ankle popped. I knew I would not roll with him again but that wasn’t sufficient. I confronted him in the changing room after we changed into our normal clothes intentionally doing so after he disrobed and put on civilian clothes. The little difference between colors means little in that context. I looked him directly in the eyes square face to face and told him he hurt me when he ripped that toe hold in gi. I told him I didn’t think that was appropriate as a submission despite what he and his buddies were incessantly drilling. I told him he made it hard to walk off the mat that day and I wouldn’t have done the same to him just for the sake of winning the roll. I told him I have to work in a hospital as a physician and he made it harder to do that based on his decision to rip that particular submission. Then I waited for him to respond…. He sort of panicked a little and gave me some word salad response which included, “bro, we don’t have any secrets here, I’ll teach you the submission, there are no secrets here man.” I looked him in the eyes the whole time and I told him that wasn’t the point. I don’t want you to teach me how to do an illegal move in gi. I want you to not injure the next person. I stared him down. And he went sideways broke eye contact constantly and gave me more word salad. He may have apologized but I don’t remember hearing it. I also told the instructor what he did the next day and he was taken aside and another talk was had. He never approached me to roll again which is exactly the outcome I wanted. I guess my point is, there are other ways to make people submit.
There is one thing I’ve learned quickly in my first year of bjj… you never know what kind of day someone else is having. Something so small can set someone off and then others get hurt for extended periods of time. All I can say is make sure to keep yourself safe at all costs.
Wristlocks are legit but they are also dangerous if not done properly, a black belt wristlocked me very fast and I didn't had time to tap, I needed wrist reconstruction surgery from torn tendons and ligaments, I haven't been able to train in 8 months as I'm still healing my wrist.
Sorry to hear that man. If I were you, I would just move on to something else. After years of getting injured in this sport I’m very close to quitting. It’s really not worth it. I have a really good life outside the gym and I don’t want to live with lifelong injuries. Anyways good luck
Brand new white belt and a blue rips a flying arm bar (which took almost 2 years to feel normal again). I went and talked to the coach who told me the blue was new to the school. That’s it, just “they’re new.” I left and never went back, found a much better run school and I’m still there.
Classic insecure tool has nothing to do with level..dont blame upper belts blame the drags that they ate 25 years I h aven't hut anyone...he shouldnt be a brown belt...the true skill is not hurting someone..
One day this white belt came up to me. He said "You probably don't remember this, but 2 years ago when you were a purple belt, you broke my wrist cause I woudlnt' tap and tried to fight out of it." I felt really bad and told him I'm sorry. He said, "No man it was my fault. It made me respect jujitsu so much more." Most people would have never returned after that. He earned my respect after that.
Well you don’t get my respect because you should have known when his wrist would break and stopped. Get up walk away and tell him that he’s an idiot and don’t roll with him. Ego vs Ego
@@zman4116 with wristlocks it's quite hard to tell because people have differing levels of wrist flexibility and pain tolerance. Also, no one loves you not even your own dog
@@zman4116Bud, he said he had no clue it happened. If you don’t know about something you shouldn’t be so quick to pass judgement on it. Also I hate you and so does anyone else who read your comment.
Is this a real story lmao?? You don’t remember breaking someone’s wrist?? So a dumb white belt, with no experience, decided not to tap to a very dangerous submission and you as a purple belt just went ahead and broke his wrist? And then he came to you AND apologized?!?! Sure bud
I'm sure bjj forums will be saying "The white belt needs to man up", the white belt needs to look for a new club, no need for stuff like that. I was in a gym a few years ago with a bunch of MMA meat heads using catch wrestling pressure techniques regularly on me I legit felt like I was going to get hurt. At a far more relaxed and understanding gym now.
Ran into this with a high level purple belt. Happened in front of the head coach. I quit that day. I'm 54 and self employed. I don't have time or patience for that BS. The gym I'm at now is awesome! That behavior is not tolerated.
Brown belt here. Recently my academy had to let a guy know that his disregard for other people’s safety was causing problems, the cranking, the reaping, etc. However I’ve told one of my coaches recently that he still may not be getting the hint and for this reckless purple belt’s safety I will not roll with him especially if we’re starting from the feet because I cannot guarantee he will leave the mat in the same condition he stepped on it. They’re going to have one more talk with him, so we will see how it goes.
@@OneStripeRyan you are exactly the person who should roll with that guy. Submit him hard and let him know why. Then let him know that if he continues his behaviour that he’ll get to roll with you again. I’ve never known this approach to fail. They either leave or change.
In 8 years of training I’ve met two - three high ranked individuals that I would consider “mean” or who rolled in training with no regard for their partner. I was comfortable with them, but I realize going in, that any close submission they may have is an audible tap from me. To do this to a newer grappler is insane, most likely ego issues. Additionally, over the years I’ve met more white belts (mostly with wrestling backgrounds) who I would consider hot heads or unsafe. They usually don’t last long; they can not stand losing. As an upper belt you can & should be able to handle these situations with relative ease (slow down the roll, flow from submissions rather than continuing until they tap).
I made it about a week as a white belt before having my ribs dislocated by another white belt (18-year-old high school wrestler). Took me about 2 months to be able to laugh or cough without pain. He wasn't mean but just overzealous. I never went back.
I remember years ago that all the martial arts schools were afraid of lawsuits related to training injuries. Correct bad behavior quickly or revoke the memberships of the bad actors.
One time my friend tried to roll with a upper belt and the guy literally told him “no your not good enough belt to roll with me” and was being so disrespectful
I was a fresh blue belt and joined a new gym, due to moving to a new city. I've had been at this gym for a few months already and rolled against a 200lb+ purple belt that was like over 45+ yrs old and i'm 150lb. 1st roll against him went like any other roll. The 2nd time I rolled against him, He starts off the roll saying, "let's take it easy" and proceeds to start going hard and kneed me 3 times on my head. After the 3rd knee to the head, I said, "we're done here, you already kneed me 3 times in the head." Didn't roll with him again for like almost a year.
I'm just a blue belt.. but.. IMO, I would not play with him again. My professor, Mike Geary, is a big believer in safety and sustainability. Being 52 years old that is important to me.
There's one guy I used to train with who weighs more than 50lbs more than I do. I stopped rolling with him because he always smothered me with his weight and there were times I thought my back would break from his stacking. I explained that I prefer to work with people closer to my size. We don't roll anymore, but he always seems annoyed or upset when he sees me now.
I had something similar as a white belt and it was with a brown belt too. My situation was different because he didn’t over wrench so I didn’t mind originally, but our professor saw him do it and told him “absolutely not”. He proceeded to get an attitude with our professor which is the part I was completely against, especially in front of a bunch of new white belts
I've trained at many traditional martial arts schools as well as an MMA school but never a pure BJJ gym, so there may be some cultural things specific to BJJ gyms that I simply have never been exposed to. I guess somewhat from "the outside looking in", one of the things that this made me wonder is whether or not part of the problem is a lack of supervision by assistant instructors/coaches if the head coach is unable to; I get that the head coach can't be everywhere and see everything but it just seems wrong that the only way that a head coach gets clued in that he has a problem child in his gym is if the students come to report it. We are talking about adults so yeah, I get that the students have a role to play but I still think by-and-large that the coach should generally be aware of what is going on on his mats.
Hey no disrespect, I'm a black belt and got heel hooked by a white belt a week or two ago, definitely two sides to every story, did the brown belt really rip that wrist lock...?
I have this exact same story, a blue belt wasn't finishing an arm bar that I was protecting decently (I was a shitty low stripe white belt mind you) and when he realized he wasn't getting me and the round was almost over he smashed my wrist, absolutely not a lock just obliterating it. I was so mad this was maybe 2 minutes after the professor had said no wrist locking white belts. I don't think I stood up for myself at all but it fucked me for years.
I always hear about the spazzy white belt but not too many people mention the crazy higher belt. The guy that knows what he is doing and brakes you. When I was a 2 striped white belt I went against a 2 stripe black belt and after the match my chest and ankle swelled up and turned black-and-blue. He asked if I was OK, I said I was and thanked him. Now I pray that he shows up in Muay Thai class. 😂
Same thing happened to me with a black belt, when I was a white belt. Asshole cranked a wrist lock after I tapped until he tore some ligaments. Had to get SLAC surgery, year and some change of rehab. He would bully and crank subs/hold subs until he choked white belts unconscious. Asshole got kicked out of our gym.
Talk to the instructor! Most are trying to share BJJ and/or run a successful business. If they have a student who is driving students away, they will take steps to FIX it right away, provided the school owner isn't totally incompetent.
Years ago in my karste training as a kid we would get the occasional bullies or kids who think they knew better. Once they become a problem my sensei would look to me and 2 others who were onlyallowed to practicewith each other ass we were to advanced for everyone else as well as sometimes partaking in the adult classes.(we were all high brown belts preparing for our black belts) he would have the bully train with one of us depending on the crime. Trying use ur strength to bully u get friend 1( he was a year older and bigger as a result). Try and to random moves on newer people that was never taught like dance boxing or wierd wrestling moves then u get friend 2(he was the most technical so he shut it all down). U try amd overwelm people with rapid moves so they cant learn then u get me( i was the quickest and can chain moves/esscape faster. They learned real quick
With respect, I disagree that holding a high-level belt (in any martial art, really), doesn’t mean someone is a good person. Almost every art I have trained in considers personal conduct and character as part of promotion requirements. Unfortunately, BJJ seems to have fallen away from the practice in many gyms or affiliations.
I trained in traditional martial arts from my early years through my teenage years. I eventually learned that I had been wasting my time in terms of acquiring practical skills, but I do miss the traditional focus on honor, respect, and character building. It seems very common for us to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Started watching a video the other day of a no gi tournament, and guys in the background were lighting up and smoking marijuana. If that’s something you like to do, I could care less, but it shouldn’t be happening at a martial arts school. Another example of throwing out the baby with the bathwater is the fact that most Brazilian jiu-jitsu schools no longer teach or require the students to know the basic self-defense techniques. How can you even call it a martial art and put “self-defense” on your window/website if your students never actually learn what to do when someone throws a punch at them?
You should look up how many karate, tkd, and judo instructors get caught being predators. Or how many top UFC fighters end up being wife beaters or generally bad people. Most martial arts don't care about the character of who they promote.
As the martial artist develops his knowledge and ability in the art, the art in turn shapes his character. This is an ideal explicitly held in a range of martial arts whereas in BJJ (which I do also train) it isn't really brought up. The closest I've heard to explicit character development is the repetition of that mantra "leave your ego at the door" but I don't think that's really enough.
Oh ive had a friend(we did judo at university together) who's a judo sensi for a large uk uni and a local mma gym tell me "half my students are dickheads".
I'd never go back to a gym where that story could happen as told in full view of everyone and nothing happened. Never seen anything like that in 3 years at my gym but I expect if it did happen and was seen by the instructor then that person would never be allowed back.
Not good for a brown. I'm a blue belt, and when I'm rolling with white belts I try to roll with competition rules. Because I don't want any of my partners being dq'd for something they get put in all the time. If I do see it, I usually apply a slight pressure just for me to practice, but not enough to make them tap. If I do go for a tap, I'm usually joking or I point it out that it's illegal for competition in white. Also I get upset if my partners are not aware that I going light on a submission, and trying to give them time to tap safely. I've had to say it stresses me out if I have to put too much pressure in a roll. This is not a competition match.
You can always say no to a roll. It doesn't matter if they're a brown belt or black belt. If i can't trust them and they can't learn to roll safely without hurting people. You should decline.
Imagine if we were in a normal gym, and some bloke on the machines was like that, we would immediately tell the gym manager wouldnt we. Same thing. He's the horrid coach from the karate kid! He might teach his own classes one day and that would be horrid. Also in dancing, i do lindy hop, the culture is to never say no to a dance. If you say no, people are aghast! Sorry, but if i danced with that lead who nearly disclocated my shoulder doing a turn i am not going to dance with him again. So i say no thank you. Or if the lead is a perv theres no way i'm dancing. I avoid eye contact and slide away to another part of the dance floor.
Is this normal? I got tapped out by a purple one time for 6 rolls straight. Nonstop. I almost quit. But did end up quitting 2 years later at 4 stripe white. Just sick of the culture.
Being tapped by purple belt 6 times in a row as white belt is normal and not a problem if he’s safe doing it. If he actually hurt you during that time by ripping submissions or doing other unsafe things that isn’t normal.
@@richardgallagher4880I'm a 4 stripe white belt so I kinda feel this. However, unless this person was being dangerous someone has a fragile ego and quit because of it. Where I train we have a purple who will tap me all day and that's cool with me. I get to see new things and learn. This is the same guy who gave me one of my favorite kneebar setups. Gotta squash the ego to learn. Getting tapped by players with more mat time is part of the game. At a certain point you start getting legit subs on them and it feels good.
Can’t forgot my second day went to another location for the same gym brown belt knee cut me right into my ribs years later I look back and still think that guy was a douche bag if a guy new don’t try to show off go try that against a black belt if you truly think your a badass
Wristlocks are legit but they are also dangerous if not done properly, a black belt wristlocked me very fast and I didn't had time to tap, I needed wrist reconstruction surgery from torn tendons and ligaments, I haven't been able to train in 8 months as I'm still healing my wrist.
Don't roll with that guy again. No matter what he says.
As a brown belt I agree. You have to stay healthy to get good at bjj.
No control during a submission as a brown belt is ridiculous.
He definitely had control he intentionally hurt the guy
That culture of safety is the single most important thing a gym can have. No amount of skilled instructors, world champion athletes, or any other benefit matters to me The Hobbyist if I go into class wondering if I'm going to have full use of my body when I leave. Or in the same vein, no woman is going to want to train at a gym that allows creepers and predators to do their thing unhindered. There's no place for unsafe people in a good gym.
Spot on advice. Your red lines should be a) anyone can decline a roll with anyone b) your coaches put safety above everything else especially for lower belts. Ripping on submissions (especially ones that are illegal at white belt) isn't training hard, it's training stupid, and your career won't be very long.
It's very likely that the brown belt has been training there for years and is representative of that gym's culture in which case they suck and you should leave and find a better one. You'll know once you speak to a coach about it, he'll either put basic safety or his brown belt first.
That brown belt is a “bad apple.” A lot of people in Jiu Jitsu are assholes. Don’t trust anyone. Protect yourself.
FACT
It isn't a "bad apple" if the gym does nothing to fix it. It seems like this brown belt is known to be an asshole.
At my gym years ago there were 4-5 blue belts and one purple belt that decided to only train no gi all the time and focus on leg locks. They would just instruct themselves in a corner while the rest of the class trained under the instructor usually in gi more often than not. No idea why they were allowed to do this but I guess they were paying full fees just to rent a single square to themselves. They joined the rolls but did not participate in the group warmup or class. In gi this purple belt ripped a toe hold on my half guard as blue belt. My knee and ankle popped. I knew I would not roll with him again but that wasn’t sufficient. I confronted him in the changing room after we changed into our normal clothes intentionally doing so after he disrobed and put on civilian clothes. The little difference between colors means little in that context. I looked him directly in the eyes square face to face and told him he hurt me when he ripped that toe hold in gi. I told him I didn’t think that was appropriate as a submission despite what he and his buddies were incessantly drilling. I told him he made it hard to walk off the mat that day and I wouldn’t have done the same to him just for the sake of winning the roll. I told him I have to work in a hospital as a physician and he made it harder to do that based on his decision to rip that particular submission. Then I waited for him to respond…. He sort of panicked a little and gave me some word salad response which included, “bro, we don’t have any secrets here, I’ll teach you the submission, there are no secrets here man.” I looked him in the eyes the whole time and I told him that wasn’t the point. I don’t want you to teach me how to do an illegal move in gi. I want you to not injure the next person. I stared him down. And he went sideways broke eye contact constantly and gave me more word salad. He may have apologized but I don’t remember hearing it.
I also told the instructor what he did the next day and he was taken aside and another talk was had.
He never approached me to roll again which is exactly the outcome I wanted. I guess my point is, there are other ways to make people submit.
LEAVE THAT CLUB IMMEDIATELY
There is one thing I’ve learned quickly in my first year of bjj… you never know what kind of day someone else is having. Something so small can set someone off and then others get hurt for extended periods of time. All I can say is make sure to keep yourself safe at all costs.
Wristlocks are legit but they are also dangerous if not done properly, a black belt wristlocked me very fast and I didn't had time to tap, I needed wrist reconstruction surgery from torn tendons and ligaments, I haven't been able to train in 8 months as I'm still healing my wrist.
That black belt does not deserve his belt, that's terrible....
That's bad for business
Shit. Sorry to hear that.
Sorry to hear that man. If I were you, I would just move on to something else. After years of getting injured in this sport I’m very close to quitting. It’s really not worth it. I have a really good life outside the gym and I don’t want to live with lifelong injuries. Anyways good luck
thats fucked
Brand new white belt and a blue rips a flying arm bar (which took almost 2 years to feel normal again). I went and talked to the coach who told me the blue was new to the school. That’s it, just “they’re new.” I left and never went back, found a much better run school and I’m still there.
OMG!
Classic upper belt bullying.
Yep! It seems to be a thing in every martial art.
Classic insecure tool has nothing to do with level..dont blame upper belts blame the drags that they ate 25 years I h aven't hut anyone...he shouldnt be a brown belt...the true skill is not hurting someone..
@@J_H72mostly the Japanese arts and bjj which is essentially the same thing. They seem to need to put the newbies in their place.
I wouldn’t put up with that shit for a second. Immediately speak with the coaches or someone you trust.
wrist locking white belts is lame as fuck.
I'm currently a white belt. I'm glad I clicked on this video because this addresses some of my current gym woes.
One day this white belt came up to me. He said "You probably don't remember this, but 2 years ago when you were a purple belt, you broke my wrist cause I woudlnt' tap and tried to fight out of it." I felt really bad and told him I'm sorry. He said, "No man it was my fault. It made me respect jujitsu so much more." Most people would have never returned after that. He earned my respect after that.
Well you don’t get my respect because you should have known when his wrist would break and stopped. Get up walk away and tell him that he’s an idiot and don’t roll with him. Ego vs Ego
@@zman4116 No one loves you not even your own dog.
@@zman4116 with wristlocks it's quite hard to tell because people have differing levels of wrist flexibility and pain tolerance. Also, no one loves you not even your own dog
@@zman4116Bud, he said he had no clue it happened. If you don’t know about something you shouldn’t be so quick to pass judgement on it. Also I hate you and so does anyone else who read your comment.
Is this a real story lmao?? You don’t remember breaking someone’s wrist?? So a dumb white belt, with no experience, decided not to tap to a very dangerous submission and you as a purple belt just went ahead and broke his wrist? And then he came to you AND apologized?!?! Sure bud
I'm sure bjj forums will be saying "The white belt needs to man up", the white belt needs to look for a new club, no need for stuff like that. I was in a gym a few years ago with a bunch of MMA meat heads using catch wrestling pressure techniques regularly on me I legit felt like I was going to get hurt. At a far more relaxed and understanding gym now.
Ran into this with a high level purple belt. Happened in front of the head coach. I quit that day. I'm 54 and self employed. I don't have time or patience for that BS. The gym I'm at now is awesome! That behavior is not tolerated.
Brown belt here. Recently my academy had to let a guy know that his disregard for other people’s safety was causing problems, the cranking, the reaping, etc. However I’ve told one of my coaches recently that he still may not be getting the hint and for this reckless purple belt’s safety I will not roll with him especially if we’re starting from the feet because I cannot guarantee he will leave the mat in the same condition he stepped on it. They’re going to have one more talk with him, so we will see how it goes.
@@OneStripeRyan you are exactly the person who should roll with that guy. Submit him hard and let him know why. Then let him know that if he continues his behaviour that he’ll get to roll with you again. I’ve never known this approach to fail. They either leave or change.
Who tf goes 100% on a new guy like that. Dudes overcompensating for losing all his comps so now he needs an ego boost.
In 8 years of training I’ve met two - three high ranked individuals that I would consider “mean” or who rolled in training with no regard for their partner. I was comfortable with them, but I realize going in, that any close submission they may have is an audible tap from me. To do this to a newer grappler is insane, most likely ego issues.
Additionally, over the years I’ve met more white belts (mostly with wrestling backgrounds) who I would consider hot heads or unsafe. They usually don’t last long; they can not stand losing. As an upper belt you can & should be able to handle these situations with relative ease (slow down the roll, flow from submissions rather than continuing until they tap).
I made it about a week as a white belt before having my ribs dislocated by another white belt (18-year-old high school wrestler). Took me about 2 months to be able to laugh or cough without pain. He wasn't mean but just overzealous. I never went back.
If the gym doesn't handle this after talking to the coach and other upper belts, then I'd say you gotta find a new gym
Great advice, Prof. Chewy.
Thank you.
Happy New Year.
Nikolas
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I remember years ago that all the martial arts schools were afraid of lawsuits related to training injuries. Correct bad behavior quickly or revoke the memberships of the bad actors.
One time my friend tried to roll with a upper belt and the guy literally told him “no your not good enough belt to roll with me” and was being so disrespectful
That sucks. But that dude clearly doesn't know how to learn through helping others.
I love helping lower belts, as long as they arent reckless.
I was a fresh blue belt and joined a new gym, due to moving to a new city. I've had been at this gym for a few months already and rolled against a 200lb+ purple belt that was like over 45+ yrs old and i'm 150lb. 1st roll against him went like any other roll. The 2nd time I rolled against him, He starts off the roll saying, "let's take it easy" and proceeds to start going hard and kneed me 3 times on my head. After the 3rd knee to the head, I said, "we're done here, you already kneed me 3 times in the head." Didn't roll with him again for like almost a year.
I'm a brown belt, and I've always been afraid of brown belts.
So technically you're scared of what you can do to others, eh?
Great advice
I'm just a blue belt.. but.. IMO, I would not play with him again. My professor, Mike Geary, is a big believer in safety and sustainability. Being 52 years old that is important to me.
How bad is it that I read the title and thought somebody just complained about me 😂
There's one guy I used to train with who weighs more than 50lbs more than I do. I stopped rolling with him because he always smothered me with his weight and there were times I thought my back would break from his stacking. I explained that I prefer to work with people closer to my size. We don't roll anymore, but he always seems annoyed or upset when he sees me now.
I had something similar as a white belt and it was with a brown belt too. My situation was different because he didn’t over wrench so I didn’t mind originally, but our professor saw him do it and told him “absolutely not”. He proceeded to get an attitude with our professor which is the part I was completely against, especially in front of a bunch of new white belts
If no one stood up for him or called the guy out it's not a good gym.
How can I email you? I have several questions I’d like an objective opinion on.
he'd get the hands
It's not snitching if it keeps your training partners safe!
Saying "let's try that again" and ripping a submission after you tap is the kind of stuff that gets you a bat to the back of the head
Rven as a white belt ive given up on so many wristlocks because people were so stubborn it woulda injured them.
Literally just had something similar happen to me a few days ago at the open mat in my gym
I've trained at many traditional martial arts schools as well as an MMA school but never a pure BJJ gym, so there may be some cultural things specific to BJJ gyms that I simply have never been exposed to. I guess somewhat from "the outside looking in", one of the things that this made me wonder is whether or not part of the problem is a lack of supervision by assistant instructors/coaches if the head coach is unable to; I get that the head coach can't be everywhere and see everything but it just seems wrong that the only way that a head coach gets clued in that he has a problem child in his gym is if the students come to report it. We are talking about adults so yeah, I get that the students have a role to play but I still think by-and-large that the coach should generally be aware of what is going on on his mats.
Hey no disrespect, I'm a black belt and got heel hooked by a white belt a week or two ago, definitely two sides to every story, did the brown belt really rip that wrist lock...?
Unwritten rule…no leg stuff or wrist locks on white belts
I have this exact same story, a blue belt wasn't finishing an arm bar that I was protecting decently (I was a shitty low stripe white belt mind you) and when he realized he wasn't getting me and the round was almost over he smashed my wrist, absolutely not a lock just obliterating it. I was so mad this was maybe 2 minutes after the professor had said no wrist locking white belts. I don't think I stood up for myself at all but it fucked me for years.
I didn’t crank it that bad…
I always hear about the spazzy white belt but not too many people mention the crazy higher belt. The guy that knows what he is doing and brakes you. When I was a 2 striped white belt I went against a 2 stripe black belt and after the match my chest and ankle swelled up and turned black-and-blue. He asked if I was OK, I said I was and thanked him. Now I pray that he shows up in Muay Thai class. 😂
Same thing happened to me with a black belt, when I was a white belt.
Asshole cranked a wrist lock after I tapped until he tore some ligaments. Had to get SLAC surgery, year and some change of rehab.
He would bully and crank subs/hold subs until he choked white belts unconscious.
Asshole got kicked out of our gym.
Talk to the instructor! Most are trying to share BJJ and/or run a successful business. If they have a student who is driving students away, they will take steps to FIX it right away, provided the school owner isn't totally incompetent.
Absolutely hate that stuff and those guys
Years ago in my karste training as a kid we would get the occasional bullies or kids who think they knew better. Once they become a problem my sensei would look to me and 2 others who were onlyallowed to practicewith each other ass we were to advanced for everyone else as well as sometimes partaking in the adult classes.(we were all high brown belts preparing for our black belts) he would have the bully train with one of us depending on the crime. Trying use ur strength to bully u get friend 1( he was a year older and bigger as a result). Try and to random moves on newer people that was never taught like dance boxing or wierd wrestling moves then u get friend 2(he was the most technical so he shut it all down). U try amd overwelm people with rapid moves so they cant learn then u get me( i was the quickest and can chain moves/esscape faster. They learned real quick
Had something similar happen to me. Was an absolute jerk move. Hurt so bad I almost puked and I had no time to tap. I vowed to pay him back some day.
With respect, I disagree that holding a high-level belt (in any martial art, really), doesn’t mean someone is a good person. Almost every art I have trained in considers personal conduct and character as part of promotion requirements. Unfortunately, BJJ seems to have fallen away from the practice in many gyms or affiliations.
I trained in traditional martial arts from my early years through my teenage years. I eventually learned that I had been wasting my time in terms of acquiring practical skills, but I do miss the traditional focus on honor, respect, and character building.
It seems very common for us to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Started watching a video the other day of a no gi tournament, and guys in the background were lighting up and smoking marijuana.
If that’s something you like to do, I could care less, but it shouldn’t be happening at a martial arts school.
Another example of throwing out the baby with the bathwater is the fact that most Brazilian jiu-jitsu schools no longer teach or require the students to know the basic self-defense techniques.
How can you even call it a martial art and put “self-defense” on your window/website if your students never actually learn what to do when someone throws a punch at them?
You should look up how many karate, tkd, and judo instructors get caught being predators. Or how many top UFC fighters end up being wife beaters or generally bad people. Most martial arts don't care about the character of who they promote.
Being a wrong1 or fraudster is not a good person.
As the martial artist develops his knowledge and ability in the art, the art in turn shapes his character. This is an ideal explicitly held in a range of martial arts whereas in BJJ (which I do also train) it isn't really brought up. The closest I've heard to explicit character development is the repetition of that mantra "leave your ego at the door" but I don't think that's really enough.
Oh ive had a friend(we did judo at university together) who's a judo sensi for a large uk uni and a local mma gym tell me "half my students are dickheads".
I'd never go back to a gym where that story could happen as told in full view of everyone and nothing happened. Never seen anything like that in 3 years at my gym but I expect if it did happen and was seen by the instructor then that person would never be allowed back.
People need to chill on wristlocks. People rip them all the time. It's hard to tap in time sometimes
Not good for a brown. I'm a blue belt, and when I'm rolling with white belts I try to roll with competition rules. Because I don't want any of my partners being dq'd for something they get put in all the time. If I do see it, I usually apply a slight pressure just for me to practice, but not enough to make them tap. If I do go for a tap, I'm usually joking or I point it out that it's illegal for competition in white.
Also I get upset if my partners are not aware that I going light on a submission, and trying to give them time to tap safely. I've had to say it stresses me out if I have to put too much pressure in a roll. This is not a competition match.
Or maybe the white belt was spazzing and then complained as soon as the brown belt matched his intensity
Yeah but as a brown belt you know the difference
I know I’m a bit older and just a blue belt but my dream is to be a mat enforcer
Why is a brown belt wrist-locking a white belt anyway? heheheh
Never roll with him again. Wrist locks aren't allowed on white belts iin our gym.
You can always say no to a roll. It doesn't matter if they're a brown belt or black belt. If i can't trust them and they can't learn to roll safely without hurting people. You should decline.
That’s So Brown Belt
That is why wrist locks arr often forbidden for white belts. Maybe that brown belt needs a demotion.
Sounds like fiction. Who tf would do that
If he aint following the gym rules, try some dastreetz rules 👍
Brown belt should know better
if this guy is still allowed to be there, the whole gym is corrupt. If the coaches don't know, tell them and see how they react
Imagine if we were in a normal gym, and some bloke on the machines was like that, we would immediately tell the gym manager wouldnt we. Same thing. He's the horrid coach from the karate kid! He might teach his own classes one day and that would be horrid. Also in dancing, i do lindy hop, the culture is to never say no to a dance. If you say no, people are aghast! Sorry, but if i danced with that lead who nearly disclocated my shoulder doing a turn i am not going to dance with him again. So i say no thank you. Or if the lead is a perv theres no way i'm dancing. I avoid eye contact and slide away to another part of the dance floor.
Is this normal? I got tapped out by a purple one time for 6 rolls straight. Nonstop. I almost quit. But did end up quitting 2 years later at 4 stripe white. Just sick of the culture.
Being tapped by purple belt 6 times in a row as white belt is normal and not a problem if he’s safe doing it. If he actually hurt you during that time by ripping submissions or doing other unsafe things that isn’t normal.
@num9908
You were a 4stripe white belt and you didn't know a pb would tap someone silly all round?
@@richardgallagher4880I'm a 4 stripe white belt so I kinda feel this. However, unless this person was being dangerous someone has a fragile ego and quit because of it. Where I train we have a purple who will tap me all day and that's cool with me. I get to see new things and learn. This is the same guy who gave me one of my favorite kneebar setups. Gotta squash the ego to learn. Getting tapped by players with more mat time is part of the game. At a certain point you start getting legit subs on them and it feels good.
Yep.
Can’t forgot my second day went to another location for the same gym brown belt knee cut me right into my ribs years later I look back and still think that guy was a douche bag if a guy new don’t try to show off go try that against a black belt if you truly think your a badass
Dick move... we're adults... talk to coach and sit out a round if it's just you and him... most of us have to still go clock in to work the next day.
Jesus
We only hear one side of the story here. “The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.”
Mat bullying is foundational to keeping uppity white and blue belts in line. You can’t let the inmates run the prison.
That Brown belt needs some serious looking at by the Coach....you just don't do Sh*t like that.....Not good
Brown belt wrist locking white belts? Oof, for a second there I was worried it might have been me
Small joints are too easy to break. That's why small joint manipulation is usually not used in training.
Wristlocks are legit but they are also dangerous if not done properly, a black belt wristlocked me very fast and I didn't had time to tap, I needed wrist reconstruction surgery from torn tendons and ligaments, I haven't been able to train in 8 months as I'm still healing my wrist.
What a disgrace. If you can't do the submission controlled - don't do it.
That's terrible.
Fastest way to lose training partners!