Crossbench peer Lord Singh suggests offering Russia a place in Nato to "completely destroy Putin's credibility." #Russia #Ukraine #Nato #war #ukrainewar
He withdrew cause of his ego, also russia didnt meet the criteria even till now, since it is a dictatorship, if putin wanted peace he would have gave up his iron throne, but he wants to bring back the russian empire
@@Aaronreacher well yea you are right those are bad times, but technically you can still call that "democracy" since the majority population still elected their representative
Russia didn't meet the criteria, and even then they never openly asked to join. Nor would NATO accept them, for the same reason Sweden struggles to get in.
Donald Rumsfeld said no… In the 1990s… when neither he nor the Republicans were in government. Erm… “Russia applied for Nato membership in 1990s to…” No, no it didn’t.
@hastekulvaati9681 Yes, your facts are correct, and mine are mistaken. I either remembered this wrong, or the source was fake news. But it is true that both Yeltsin and Putin wanted to be part of Nato during that time.
Bait as in condition. Join NATO and withdraw from Ukraine Don't join NATO and NATO will keep supplying weapons to Ukraine English isn't a difficult language. I'm not a native speaker, and even I know that
@RR-us2kp keep working on your English then because bait and condition do not have interchangeable meanings you melt. The point of bait is that it's camouflaged. Putin could simply say "I saw that you publicly stated this offer was bait, I will not engage it" and the argument is over. That's what makes this a senile take.
The main marketing point of Nato's existence is Russia. A group that is form solely because of Russia, Russia joining them means the group will seize to exist.. America's sales pitch of selling weapons to Nato countries is Russia... So Russia not being a boogeyman is bad for America's business
Please give me an example of any dictatorship that was able to join NATO, especially without making any structural changes. This is Russian propaganda. Russia made no effort to join.
@@TH-camname804You use your head. This would literally end the war in Ukraine, which should be the top priority. If Russia was in NATO they would have zero justification’s nor reasons to invade anywhere, and if they did they’d be boycotting by every country on earth. And if they refuse the offer then they will lose most of their supporters since one of Russia’s biggest reasoning is them saying they are fighting against NATO expansion into their borders.
Is your mind just a collection of conspiracy theory memes? Can you explain why, if weapons manufacturers are driving this war, NATO countries have completely failed to ramp up production of vital munitions not only for Ukraine’s army but for their own strategic stock piles.
@@RS-jb1lf you're right, Lord Singh isn't even genuinely suggesting Russia joins NATO. His argument is being framed badly. The comment about pharma and weapons is dumb AF though
Exactly, if Russia was in NATO, there would be no reason to have NATO, but therefore no markets for weapons and no new american wars around the world, perhaps even independent Europe, not a puppet of one or another superpower
Boris could have prevented this war. Putin rang him shortly before the war and asked whether Ukraine will be joining NATO. His blustering response was something like "well, err, err, not in the immediate future". He should have communicated better over such an important issue. Diplomacy could have prevented this crisis.
There's a saying in Chinese: "One mountain can't have two tigers". America doesn't want to share NATO leadership with Russia if Russia were to join NATO. That's why Russia's attempt to join it many years ago was rejected.
“That’s why Russia’s attempt to join it many years ago was rejected…” Ah, that’s why they rejected it. I see. Which application are you talking about (give me the dates and the Russian leaders) Russia joining NATO was never an imminent possibility. There was a period of cooperation but relations broke down. There were a whole slew of reasons for this; Kosovo, the 2nd Chechen war, Russian murders on UK soil, Putin’s increasing interference in former Soviet nations and his lurch towards totalitarianism. It sort of sounds like you made something up and then slapped a faux Chinese proverb on the front to give it a bit of heft.
@@hastekulvaati9681 OK Russia didn't formally apply to join NATO but Putin expressed interest in Russia joining NATO. Those state-sponsored crimes you mentioned were not unique to Russia. The US and it's NATO allies are at least equally, if not more, guilty of. Esp the US. Two wrongs don't make one right but double standard and hypocrisy are real when Russia is singled out to be blamed as the world's number one and most evil aggressor, when the US have done far worse. Finally, why did you say that proverb is a "faux" Chinese proverb? Are you fluent in the Chinese language? FYI the original Chinese of that proverb is 一山不容二虎.
Communist country cannot join with democratic Cristian catholic cannot mix with orthodox A pariah country cannot join with a well respect western world A terrorist country cannot join with nato
what im sure of is that if russia joined, entire eastern europe would immidietly quit. they are in nato for one reason only and that reason is russia. Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Romania, Czech republic, slovakia... and some western as well, Sweeden for sure. but that will not happen because non of this countries will ever allow russia to join nato, no matter what usa would like.
These devils would never let it happen because they love war and are making money over the deaths of many. Evil times we live in and disgustingly evil people in nato and the usa would never allow it and do not want peace on earth
In practice I doubt it would solve anything. NATO already has members like Hungary and Turkey that are constantly at odds with other members and experiencing democratic backsliding. If Russia was allowed to join NATO without first proving their commitment to the values of democracy, peace and sovereignty then it would undermine the entire alliance. Not only would it fail to stop the war in Ukraine, it could cause long dormant conflicts to flare up across Europe.
they literally had offered it. Just Russia wanted to join without fulfilling minimum requirements. And when NATO did not agree, they threw a hissy fit.
I mean he has a point, Russia clearly wouldn’t accept but it would show without any doubts that NATO is not a threat to Russia unless Russia makes it a threat. It takes away a big piece of Russian propaganda.
Reading some comments, really amazes me how ignorant and uneducated some people are... History wasn't your major subject, and you definitely haven't bothered to adjust it...
@@Thinking858 I was in AP history classes, in 1954 the Soviet Union proposed joining NATO (it was used primarily for propaganda purposes). The western powers denied soviet membership into NATO on the grounds that soviet membership would be “incompatible with its democratic and defensive aims.”. From a propaganda standpoint that’s what the soviets wanted to happen. That’s why it would be useful for us to now play the same cards against the Russian Federation.
not really they'll find another reason to complain. there was enough of NATO presence in Middle East conflicts mostly due to US inability to mind their own business. The las thing NATO needs is another blood thirsty country. There is also another problem. the support of nato is restricted to certain geographical erea. it is possible thet east Russia wouldn't be protected by NATO. For example Hawaii is out of NATO protection.
Sorry what is he right about? NATO agrees to offer Russia membership*; what happens next in Ukraine? Go. * The idea of NATO offering Russia membership is absurd but for the sake of argument let’s agree to it.
It's aktualy super dumb so let me get this straight he wants Rusia to jojn NATO just so the Rusians question there propaganda the same propaganda thats run buy the people that started the agresion on Ukrain and is calling it to this day special military action and cracks down on the slightest protest they culd yust ignore this completley or shut down anyone who speaks about it
I like idea of offering Russia Nato membership if it acts by withdrawing. The fact that won’t happen is not because Russia wouldn’t want Nato membership but because West wants Russia abd China to be “the enemy “ it’s more about distraction techniques from national politics than anything else. Plus not so many decades ago we had USA on brink of war because Cuba was intent on having nuclear missiles pointed at USA. Adult diplomacy caused that crisis to end. What adult Statesmen or women does world have at present? Russia doesn’t want Ukraine nuclear weapons pointed at Moscow the ultimate end result even pre Russia foolishly invading Ukraine. In some ways it feels more like a Civil War which as we all know from history can be the most bitter and not easily forgiven on either side. I blame USA and U.K. for sending specialist troops to train Ukraine several years before invasion this probably rattled Russia and I blame Putins vanity for wanting to take chunks of land that part of Soviet block not so many years ago. Ukrainian people are both Russian and Ukrainian by birth by marriage . Their children speak both Ukrainian and Russian. Their culture very similar this situation is a tragedy and the west is culpable for using Ukraine as a theatre of war and ignoring the extreme right wing Azov movement the envy of all fascist movements in Europe. Putin has the power to stop this craziness now and backtrack on his obsessions in a graceful manner or he can become the Big bully of world and drag the Russian people with him. What concerns me most is it’s the losers in wars that choose to use ultimate weapons and I suspect Russia might loose a conventional war . Plus those around Putin are war mongers but the West has to stop and think before fuelling this war of neighbours. Especially when USA offered banned weapons that harm innocents abd farmers etc for decades to come. The west should continue not purchasing Russian goods and fund Ukrainian services give educational/ health aid etc abd help rebuild civil infrastructure but as for weapons….
"Russia doesn’t want Ukraine nuclear weapons pointed at Moscow" Do tell, what nuclear weapons would these be, the nuclear weapons that Ukraine gave up to Russia?
He hasn’t missed that point at all, NATO lies and says it’s not an anti Russian alliance is just a defensive alliance, I’m glad you can see they’re lying and it really is an anti Russian organisation.
@@Asinatorsdaughter NATO is not strictly just a defense pact, they've gone on offensive many times, and right now arming ukraine even though russia did't attack NATO and adding in more members who are right at the borders of russia proves its not just a defense pact, its pointless and ridiculous to think russia can be invited to be member of group that's sole purpose is to curtail russia
@@spoodermen2530 i agree that Nato is just fanning the flames and adding more oil to the fire but who wouldn't when they can essentially thrashed their enemies but if Russia somehoe joins Nato the members would have then no choice but to keep their hands to themselves and Russia too wouldnt be able to bully Ukraine without getting ganged up by other members
It is designed to counter outside threads. Which currently just happens to be Russia. If Switzerland attacks a NATO member, then they will also activate article 5, yet they don't feel threatened because they don't attack their neighbors unlike Russia.
@@noahbutler9180Russia defends western values. The west has abandoned faith, family and religion and has become an utterly degenerate ruin of a civilisation. In my opinion, not supporting Russia is more treasonous.
If Russia was allowed to join NATO the BRICS organisation wouldn't have been possible for Russia as a coalition member, even the invasion of Ukraine would still be a myth.
If such an offer was actually made, the Russian populace would laugh and so would Putin and countries friendly to Russia. Putin has been declaring NATO to be the evil enemy and would suffer no loss for rejecting the offer.
This is wrong it’s the USA led NATO that has made Russia the enemy and they would never ask because they need enemies or how can they profit from war??!
Putin tried to join nato before it’s nato who declined them Realize who the true evil is in the world Also What country is more evil the one who invaded 84/193 nations? Or the one who invaded 7/193 nations (Hint Russia is the one who invaded 7)
@@chindit6784 Delusional means to hold beliefs despite incontrovertible evidence. By definition asking a question can not be delusional as it is not a statement of belief. Now you make a prediction it would couldn’t work in practice. Substantiate what you’re saying with logical, pragmatic, reasoning. If you’re unable to do that shut up and stop regurgitating nonsense online.
@@Smoke-Playsit could not work in practice because a) to be a member of nato you have to be a democratic country . B) you have to implement democratic reforms which Russia clearly won't do. C) Russia has no interest in joining nato as it sees itself as a superpower which can rival nato at some point. D) even if it did say that it had an interest. It's interest would be to disrupt nato from within not because it sees itself as part of a defensive alliance with equal partners E) lets assume that none of the above are an issue. A country can only join nato with unaminous consent and somehow I don't see countries like Poland, the baltics or even Finland and Sweden agreeing to that. In all in all its a non starter, what's more is that Russia knows it's a non starter as well so there is no point proposing it
@@pgpython A) despite the propaganda you lap up, Russia is a democratic state, it will hold its next elections in September of this year. B) you can’t predict the future or speak on behalf of the Russian government. C) You’re either lying or woefully misinformed about history. D) Once again you can not predict the future or speak for the Russian government’s potential intentions E) The entire premise of the question being asked hypothesises that they will be invited to join by NATO members. So to say that it can’t happens because NATO countries wouldn’t do it is redundant, because that’s literally the whole premise of the argument. Which is - if they did, would it encourage peace? A point you haven’t just failed to address but have missed entirely. So rather than quite pointlessly saying that NATO won’t let them. (Because that is the hypothesis being preposed), would it encourage world peace?
Why couldn’t Russia join NATO? The offer has been extended and retracted so many times since Bill Clinton was still in office. Seems like it would solve a lot of the problems going on, give NATO membership to both Ukraine and Russia. I would much rather have Russia as an ally instead of constant conflict, but many politicians want conflict and that’s the problem.
Here's the thing that many people seem to think. NATO was born to counter the URSS and the Warsaw Pact bit without a common enemy NATO has no reason to exist and the U.S uses NATO to profit from Europeans countryes and to extend their military presence over the world so without a fabricated enemy NATO cannot exist.
the only people who are nuts, are the west who kept pushing natos border to Russia and thinks 200k ukranians dead for hardly on land captured by the russians
Well! He's thinking outside of the box I suppose. The old ways aren't working, so let's look at other options. If you think about it, Nato came about following WW2 and Russia was instrumental in fighting back the Nazis. So maybe they should have been treated more as allies than people to fear. Maybe that sort of dialogue would have helped mold a different Soviet Union/Russia and maybe we'd all be having a different conversation today 🤔
Maybe if russia did not INVADE Poland WITH THE NAZIS. if russia joined nato, entire eastern europe would immitiedly quit. their only reason for being in nato is russia. Also they would never let russia in anyway, no matter what america says. End of this ridiculus story.
@madtechnocrat9234 so what's the solution. We clearly can't continue with these conflicts all over the world, causing instability, displacement, poverty, and general suffering. Constant fighting for resources instead of pooling and unification is destroying the environment and the ability for living things, including us, to survive on this planet. But oh well! Russia did something cruel in WW2, so we shouldn't try to find peaceful solutions or the way forward. Let's just keep repeating the same behaviours, which have led to destruction🤷♀️
@@khemitx The policy of appeasement has failed. This was incredibly visible to everyone at the start of the ww2. And as it did fail then so it did now. When Ukraine was attacked by Russia in 2014, people in the west chose appeasement and quite obviously it failed again as it always does. There is no discusion with jingoist totalitarian/authoritarian imperialist states. Only diplomacy they understand is show of force. Russia felt that Ukraine was weak, that eastern Europe was bickering among each other, that the west was weak, and this is why russia attacked. The way to stop this was to actually react when Russia invaded in 2014, it was to actually react when russia invaded georgia, it was to actually react when russia invaded chechnya... twice, it was to react when russia invaded moldova. The world decided not to react, and this showed russians that they can do as they please and that nobody will stop them. Yes, russia did something very cruel to my people during ww2. Russian occupation of Poland was often equaly as bad as nazis. With people on mass being murdered or send to concentration camps in siberia. It never really apologised and continues to behave exactly in the same way as it did towards other nations. This is not north korea you can just isolate because it's a small insignifcant state with no economy.
@@khemitx Also this is one of the best videos to sum up everything i have seen on the topic: th-cam.com/video/FVmmASrAL-Q/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Sarcasmitron
That doesn't make any difference. Russia are very ignorant they have always been arrogant and indifferent to other people's rights and feelings. General Patton had it right when he said while we've got the Manpower and Equipment over here we should just go ahead and eliminate the SOB's right now. He sensed that they were evil even back then and God are they ever.😢 I'd like to find a way to get rid of the whole g d country if it was possible. I'd also like to win the lottery but I know that's just a dream as well😊
The lord's comment would only make president Putin usher a smile of vote of confidence from UK. It is undeniably impossible for UK to continue to be a safe haven for war mongering leaders, to use England as a foottool in enhancing their takeover or invasion policies of neighbouring countries. It appears that President Putin is losing patriotism of Russians, as the onslaught of drone attacks commences to hit Russia, without President Putin assuming condemnation of the attacks perpetrated by Russian unknown proxy making decisions for themselves having noted the emphatic iterations of President Zelensky not to attack Russian mainland. This is outrageously, scandalous for President Putin to address the nation on the move to circumvent the retractment of the stalemate pull and push war of Russian Ukraine invasion. The war must be given a resolution of peace deals to enable internally frustrated individuals looking to start a criminal ventures taking advantage of the Insecurities of both nations, as drug dealers from Russia and Ukraine might continue to pass the baton of power between themselves, turning a blind eye to the war, by forming insurgency. With due respect to the people of both Russia and Ukraine that are showing strong resistance to the war by continuing to prove common usefulness to human endeavour by assisting each other through commitment to serve families overshadowed by the war, aren't broken by depression in prevention of narcotic distribution in Russia and Ukraine. For the sake of children the war should rest in peace too many lives have been wasted which is deemed as modern slavery against both countries, people might not understand that tearing each to pieces was a result of their relationships in the Past . I personally think that President Putin believes that the war was lost before it even started on all corners of the world, that he has been planning to influence invasion by his authority, typical example is African countries not pressuring president Putin to ease off from military confrontation in very advanced civilisation. Patriotism ideology is underscore by helplessness of disunity propaganda and a system that degenerates into controversial RHETORICS that leads to disharmony and civil unrest of the divided nation.
no it wasn't. Russia (and the USSR) tried to join, the west rejected their application, not the other way around. The thing is Russia very much has a point NATO is an imperialistic and anti-Russian defensive alliance, and the west could've 99% prevented the Russian invasion of Ukraine if they barred Ukraine from NATO (and any military alliance) membership in exchange for a bi-partisan (Russian and NATO) security guarantee of Ukraine's territorial integrity. This ofc doesn't excuse Russia' s imperialist invasion, but it was easily preventable by the West - Ukrainians are only dying and getting part of their lands annexed because the west wouldn't even entertain reason or diplomacy with Russia back in February 2022...
NATO should have been abolished right after the Soviet Union itself was abolished. Keeping an alliance meant to contain the USSR around after its objective is achieved would only make its successor state feel threatened. The Ukraine invasion is a manifestation of Russia's attitude towards NATO.
Subsequent events have demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that NATO was still needed after the USSR collapsed. Compare and contrast the fate of these NATO and non NATO states. Non NATO members: Moldova - partial de-facto colonisation by Russia. Russian backed coup attempt in 2023. Georgia - partly de-facto colonisation by Russia. Belarus - absorbed into the Russian state Ukraine - Eastern provinces and Crimea colonised by Russia in 2014. 2022 Russia attempts to colonise the entire coast of Ukraine and its capital city. Yugoslavian successor states: in the 1990’s they were packed full of Russian backed mercenary groups. NATO Members Former states of the USSR - Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia: major interference by Russia but no direct Russian invasion or invasion by Russian proxy forces Former Warsaw Pact States Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Czechoslovakian successor states and Hungary: no Russian invasions or attacks by Russian proxy forces. “The Ukriane invasion is a manifestation of Russia’s attitude towards NATO” Ukraine is rich in plunder and many Russians feel it should never have been independent in the first place. NATO or no-NATO it seems entirely plausible that the Kremlin regarding Ukraine with envious eyes, would slowly and surely drew their plans against them. Remember Russian de facto colonised a large strip of Moldova when relations with NATO were very good. One things is absolutely certain. Crimea would not have been invaded by Russia in 2014 if Ukraine, like the Baltic States, had been in NATO. NATO: you know it makes sense.
You sound dumb. What happened to crimea before Ukraine even thought about applying for NATO membership. Didn’t Putin and Russia annex that. If you think Russias invasion is solely due to Ukraine wanting to join NATO then your a fool. Putins goal has always been to take back the land that was lost when the Soviet Union was dissolved. Learn your history
It would of been to much of a risk to trust Russia and not put defences up in Eastern Europe while they were growing their military. As for contained they were only contained if they intended to go attack beyond their borders
That sounds most unconvincing. You don't lay the tapestry of war because you wanted to be worshipped as a demigod of war seeking appeasement from your soldiers lined up in trenches waiting to be devoured by monster drones dropping on their heads.
i have an idea lets create alliance of china and india, and also north korea and south korea. Sound like an ideal plan to me. while we are at it lets put palastine together with israel and serbia with croatia.
@@madtechnocrat9234 well I know I live in Maine and I sure wouldn't be happy if Russia came and was in New Brunswick and Quebec and Nova Scotia that might be a Lil cause for stress
@@scottdore4890 If russia joined nato, entire eastern europe would have immidietly quit. But that wont happen because eastern europe will not allow russia into nato. And for really good reasons.
@@madtechnocrat9234 but I'm not pro Russia I swear it just seems to me like we have brought this onto ourselves because I remember Russia telling USA way back before Crimea was taken that if nato kept expanding they would take it as a threat not a brilliant mind but it seems we didn't listen
@@marynamalitskaya3534 literally look at Wikipedia in any language that isn't aggressively censored (I.e., not Russian). Law was called the Nato Russia Founding Act. Russia was also a member of the Partnership for Peace. These are fairly meaningful starting steps to work towards potential NATO membership if Russia had proved reliable, trustworthy and aligned.
@@thejonno2709 literally, Russia was never offered a membership to Nato. What you said above is different case. We know when Nato wants somebody badly and how they offer the deal (Finland). Nato rejected Russia two times. Its a clear message that if there is no enemy Russia there is no money money for USA from military business. No way Nato would stop its existence. The most aggressive alliance ever.
@@marynamalitskaya3534 your response betrays a lack of clear understanding of how international relations works. Finland's membership of NATO was possible to rush because NATO countries trusted Finland. It has the same kind of government, similar values, hasn't started a war in decades. It even uses the same currency as half of NATO. Hence, there was no need for Finland to prove itself a trustworthy partner. This was the path that Russia needed to take and the path Russia was on - but strayed from after invading Georgia in 2008.
@@thejonno2709invading Georgia (3 days) was a result of Nato’s bold actions. Same story. Just stay away from our boarders. This is normal and rational demand. Russia is not moving towards USA, USA and NATO are moving towards Russia. NATO has soooo many bases all over the world. Literally almost in each country. Not enough? Till when? Just stop. Mind your business and stick to your promise. Shame on you
@@fabianabongo6284oh dude don't go with the whole whataboutism. That is just a low bar and doesnt bring up that fact that russia treats its soldiers like how you would see someone working in mcdolands or denies the freedom speech for its citizens
@@bottheskitarii8881He’s going there, and he really isn’t wrong to some cultures they see it as worse to live in America then in Russia at the end of the day man humans will never see eye to eye.
Well Russia apply to Nato twice(to my knowledge) and was rejected. Remember that Hitler being rejected from art school meme? Perhaps its the same with Russia and NATO. The west could offer Russia NATO membership, and none of this would have happened.
@@UnderTheSameSun693Incorrect. It did not ever formally apply for NATO membership. And how do you propose Russian membership would have avoided war? It would have just dragged the West into war against Ukraine.
To "protect" you don't need NATO for that, Russia doesn't have enough power for a full scale war and they don't want to invade Europe anymore, Russia sells gas to Europe so why would they want to star a war? In reality for the US Nato is a big business a d Russia is the excuse for selling Weapons but if Russia were to be part of NATO there would be no need for such organization. Long story short, the U.S doesn't want peace it wants money.
@@AaronreacherRussia doesn’t want war ??? Last time I checked the entire terrorist population of Russia started an unprovoked war against innocent Ukraine.
"But it must be under conditions" And what conditions are you proposing to concede to Putin? Because clearly Russia is not NATO material under current leadership.
@@davidcooks2379 "under conditions of" But those conditions aren't favourable to Putin. He would never accept. For Putin to accept an invitation to NATO, NATO must offer something to him.
We could consider Russia joining Nato if... they withdraw from Ukraine immediately cede Crimea to Ukraine and South Ossetia to Georgia, and also cede Kaliningrad to either Poland or Germany immediately disband the CSTO alliance relinquish the sakhalin Islands to Japan and finally stop its support of Belarus and North Korea if Russia meets these requirements then serious talks can begin.
Putin asked the NATO secretary in the 90s "when is Russia invited into NATO? We're not going to wait in line like small, unimportant countries." He didn't really understand that there's a criteria for membership 😂
@@mv_5878 expediting the procedure to join nato which was accepted by all nato members isn’t an invitation to Ukraine to join when they’re only nation given that leeway
We proposed both EU and NATO membership during Medvedev's gov and they refused both because, as part of NATO, they wouldn't be able to do what they want.
Apart from the fact that NATO was created precisely to counter Moscow´s agression on its neighbours and that they have also their own Russian NATO. Wouldn´t make sense at all.
This is a superb suggestion. Should have been done decades ago. There would be no war today. Europe would be the safest part of the world. Instead of wasting money on war European countries can cooperate with each other for economic development.
or nato would be pointless because it cant defend a member against other member, and it would disolve itself. Poland would follow nuclear program instead of joining nato and russia would start a series of wars to "reclaim" ussr/russian empire territories.
If Russia joins NATO, that would be the equivalent of letting the wolf in the hen house. Who would stop Russia from attacking another NATO member? Does article 5 apply to attacks by NATO members? This idea sounds good because Putin claimed he attacked Ukraine to stop Ukraine from joining NATO but how do we know that was Putin’s true motive? He said he wants to rid Ukraine of fascist too, which motive is the real one?
The Soviet Union asked for membership in 1954 but got rejected. The Russian Federation asked for membership in 2000 but got rejected. NATO is clearly against Russia joining the alliance, even though it would end tensions and bring peace to Europe.
If you want to join NATO you have to apply. Putin just talked about it but never send an official application. He has no right to complain, he nener seriously tried to join NATO.
Russia is officially a democracy if you try to say "oh but we really know is just a dictatorship in disguise" then that would apply for some NATO member to like France or the U.S. also, NATO is allied with Israel a clearly oppressive country but they don't seem to mind.
Most people here don't understand that NATO membership is sought, not offered. This was Putin's issue in the 2000's actually because he wanted NATO to basically come to him and ask/offer membership. The organization doesn't work like that as there are certain societal and political requirements. Putin is a grifter...
If you’re going to be racist, at least do some research to get your facts straight. This gentleman is a Punjabi Sikh, one of our guys. Part of the same people who fought for Britain in both world wars.
I agree of offering Russia membership to NATO. We should not fight with each other. Each one should cooperate in creating a peacefull resolution towards harmonious relationship
They Soviet Union asked to join in 1954 but their application was rejected
My thoughts exactly
Might've been a problem that you actually have to fulfill some criteria, being a democracy is one of them.
@@captainmcawesome7908
The US was such a wonderful democracy in 1954, with some of its people legally not equal to others.
1954
It’s 2023
@@davidshepherd8917they live in the past. What do you expect?
Putin tried to apply for NATO in early 2000s, he was rejected.
He withdrew cause of his ego, also russia didnt meet the criteria even till now, since it is a dictatorship, if putin wanted peace he would have gave up his iron throne, but he wants to bring back the russian empire
@@limiyan3627If Russia is a dictatorship so is the US back when their white citizens had palpable privileges over the black population.
@@Aaronreacher well yea you are right those are bad times, but technically you can still call that "democracy" since the majority population still elected their representative
doesnt matter to me how it was even 10 years ago, what matters is the present also i am not american or European even
Russia didn't meet the criteria, and even then they never openly asked to join. Nor would NATO accept them, for the same reason Sweden struggles to get in.
Russia wanted to join Nato in the 1990s too, but the US was against the idea
..yes, you are correct.
Exactly.
Donald Rumsfeld said no…
In the 1990s… when neither he nor the Republicans were in government.
Erm…
“Russia applied for Nato membership in 1990s to…”
No, no it didn’t.
@@thedownunderverse
“exactly”
Which bit of the comment was exact?
@hastekulvaati9681 Yes, your facts are correct, and mine are mistaken. I either remembered this wrong, or the source was fake news. But it is true that both Yeltsin and Putin wanted to be part of Nato during that time.
This sardar gentleman is more British than British stock themselves.
hes not British and never will be .
@@stevengray57neither are you impure blood hybrid
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@@stevengray57He meant cultural wise, not by his race 🤡
@@stevengray57whys he in Britain's parliment then?
When you openly refer to it as bait that kinda defeats the point
😂😂😂 so true. And even uploading on TH-cam.
Bait as in condition.
Join NATO and withdraw from Ukraine
Don't join NATO and NATO will keep supplying weapons to Ukraine
English isn't a difficult language. I'm not a native speaker, and even I know that
@RR-us2kp keep working on your English then because bait and condition do not have interchangeable meanings you melt. The point of bait is that it's camouflaged. Putin could simply say "I saw that you publicly stated this offer was bait, I will not engage it" and the argument is over. That's what makes this a senile take.
The main marketing point of Nato's existence is Russia. A group that is form solely because of Russia, Russia joining them means the group will seize to exist..
America's sales pitch of selling weapons to Nato countries is Russia...
So Russia not being a boogeyman is bad for America's business
Superb understanding.
Good
Boogeyman with nuclear and psycho leaders... You should complete that😄😄
@@ForF6cksAke too much propaganda. They never endangered the west. The west plus Israel has huge overkill capacity.
Please give me an example of any dictatorship that was able to join NATO, especially without making any structural changes. This is Russian propaganda. Russia made no effort to join.
Russia would never be able to join unless Russia made some big changes.
They wouldnt do it but big up this man seeking PEACE
Sikhing peace*
Oh yeah Ukraine can’t join nato but Russia can use ur head more
@@TH-camname804You use your head. This would literally end the war in Ukraine, which should be the top priority.
If Russia was in NATO they would have zero justification’s nor reasons to invade anywhere, and if they did they’d be boycotting by every country on earth.
And if they refuse the offer then they will lose most of their supporters since one of Russia’s biggest reasoning is them saying they are fighting against NATO expansion into their borders.
i agree i respect him and wanting peace but i dont accept russia joining
He has good intentions and I respect him, but just no.
Finally someone who isn’t working for big pharma and weapons manufacturers
Is your mind just a collection of conspiracy theory memes?
Can you explain why, if weapons manufacturers are driving this war, NATO countries have completely failed to ramp up production of vital munitions not only for Ukraine’s army but for their own strategic stock piles.
@@ameerhamid89Pay attention. He said on condition of Russia WITHDRAWING for Ukraine. Hardly a Russia agent.
@@RS-jb1lf you're right, Lord Singh isn't even genuinely suggesting Russia joins NATO. His argument is being framed badly.
The comment about pharma and weapons is dumb AF though
That lard got up real quick to decline i wonder why
@@RS-jb1lfbut would allow russia future Veto powers over other decent democracies in Nato... no we dont want another UN thank yoy.
This man is nuts! We have NATO because of Russia.
Exactly, if Russia was in NATO, there would be no reason to have NATO, but therefore no markets for weapons and no new american wars around the world, perhaps even independent Europe, not a puppet of one or another superpower
Keep up!
And we have war because of NATO.
Boris could have prevented this war. Putin rang him shortly before the war and asked whether Ukraine will be joining NATO. His blustering response was something like "well, err, err, not in the immediate future". He should have communicated better over such an important issue. Diplomacy could have prevented this crisis.
The maim thing is your avatar though its very helpful you should be commended for your sacrifice and resolve
@@logansadventurizing a lot of people suffer during war, kind of a crisis
No diplomacy would have worked since Putin already made up his mind.
Ehh and without the war we wouldn't have gotten Finland and Sweden to join so you win some you lose some.
If Putin wanted that assurance he could call his other friends in NATO, since every country has a Veto.
I think NATO should ask North Korea to join just for kicks!
Not everyone in comments section is. An idiot. Thank you!
North America and Europe only
If you accept Russia to NATO, the accept China too. Then NATO can rename to UN version 2.😅😅😅
There's a saying in Chinese: "One mountain can't have two tigers". America doesn't want to share NATO leadership with Russia if Russia were to join NATO. That's why Russia's attempt to join it many years ago was rejected.
“That’s why Russia’s attempt to join it many years ago was rejected…”
Ah, that’s why they rejected it. I see.
Which application are you talking about (give me the dates and the Russian leaders)
Russia joining NATO was never an imminent possibility. There was a period of cooperation but relations broke down. There were a whole slew of reasons for this; Kosovo, the 2nd Chechen war, Russian murders on UK soil, Putin’s increasing interference in former Soviet nations and his lurch towards totalitarianism.
It sort of sounds like you made something up and then slapped a faux Chinese proverb on the front to give it a bit of heft.
@@hastekulvaati9681 OK Russia didn't formally apply to join NATO but Putin expressed interest in Russia joining NATO. Those state-sponsored crimes you mentioned were not unique to Russia. The US and it's NATO allies are at least equally, if not more, guilty of. Esp the US. Two wrongs don't make one right but double standard and hypocrisy are real when Russia is singled out to be blamed as the world's number one and most evil aggressor, when the US have done far worse.
Finally, why did you say that proverb is a "faux" Chinese proverb? Are you fluent in the Chinese language? FYI the original Chinese of that proverb is 一山不容二虎.
Communist country cannot join with democratic
Cristian catholic cannot mix with orthodox
A pariah country cannot join with a well respect western world
A terrorist country cannot join with nato
what im sure of is that if russia joined, entire eastern europe would immidietly quit.
they are in nato for one reason only and that reason is russia. Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Romania, Czech republic, slovakia... and some western as well, Sweeden for sure.
but that will not happen because non of this countries will ever allow russia to join nato, no matter what usa would like.
@@madtechnocrat9234the US is nato. Europe rides its coattails
This made sense in a lot of sense…
These devils would never let it happen because they love war and are making money over the deaths of many. Evil times we live in and disgustingly evil people in nato and the usa would never allow it and do not want peace on earth
In practice I doubt it would solve anything. NATO already has members like Hungary and Turkey that are constantly at odds with other members and experiencing democratic backsliding. If Russia was allowed to join NATO without first proving their commitment to the values of democracy, peace and sovereignty then it would undermine the entire alliance. Not only would it fail to stop the war in Ukraine, it could cause long dormant conflicts to flare up across Europe.
Russia has land disputes = can't join NATO
they literally had offered it. Just Russia wanted to join without fulfilling minimum requirements. And when NATO did not agree, they threw a hissy fit.
@@minaolenella869 Facts don't matter. We're all about feelings here.
"Who let Jasmin's father in here?!"
Jasmin's brother LORDaar Singh is out busy playing KABADI...😂😂😂
Lord is well intentioned to conquer Russia swiftly 😅
I mean he has a point, Russia clearly wouldn’t accept but it would show without any doubts that NATO is not a threat to Russia unless Russia makes it a threat. It takes away a big piece of Russian propaganda.
Or western propaganda
Reading some comments, really amazes me how ignorant and uneducated some people are...
History wasn't your major subject, and you definitely haven't bothered to adjust it...
@@Thinking858 I was in AP history classes, in 1954 the Soviet Union proposed joining NATO (it was used primarily for propaganda purposes). The western powers denied soviet membership into NATO on the grounds that soviet membership would be “incompatible with its democratic and defensive aims.”. From a propaganda standpoint that’s what the soviets wanted to happen. That’s why it would be useful for us to now play the same cards against the Russian Federation.
not really
they'll find another reason to complain.
there was enough of NATO presence in Middle East conflicts mostly due to US inability to mind their own business. The las thing NATO needs is another blood thirsty country.
There is also another problem. the support of nato is restricted to certain geographical erea. it is possible thet east Russia wouldn't be protected by NATO.
For example Hawaii is out of NATO protection.
Yes the Russians will totally believe this garbage after being fecked over by west on several agreements. 😂😂
He is right
Sorry what is he right about?
NATO agrees to offer Russia membership*; what happens next in Ukraine?
Go.
* The idea of NATO offering Russia membership is absurd but for the sake of argument let’s agree to it.
It's aktualy super dumb so let me get this straight he wants Rusia to jojn NATO just so the Rusians question there propaganda the same propaganda thats run buy the people that started the agresion on Ukrain and is calling it to this day special military action and cracks down on the slightest protest they culd yust ignore this completley or shut down anyone who speaks about it
Not a bad idea. Don’t know if that would be a good idea but atleast he tried to suggest a real solution
I like idea of offering Russia Nato membership if it acts by withdrawing. The fact that won’t happen is not because Russia wouldn’t want Nato membership but because West wants Russia abd China to be “the enemy “ it’s more about distraction techniques from national politics than anything else.
Plus not so many decades ago we had USA on brink of war because Cuba was intent on having nuclear missiles pointed at USA. Adult diplomacy caused that crisis to end. What adult Statesmen or women does world have at present? Russia doesn’t want Ukraine nuclear weapons pointed at Moscow the ultimate end result even pre Russia foolishly invading Ukraine. In some ways it feels more like a Civil War which as we all know from history can be the most bitter and not easily forgiven on either side.
I blame USA and U.K. for sending specialist troops to train Ukraine several years before invasion this probably rattled Russia and I blame Putins vanity for wanting to take chunks of land that part of Soviet block not so many years ago. Ukrainian people are both Russian and Ukrainian by birth by marriage . Their children speak both Ukrainian and Russian. Their culture very similar this situation is a tragedy and the west is culpable for using Ukraine as a theatre of war and ignoring the extreme right wing Azov movement the envy of all fascist movements in Europe. Putin has the power to stop this craziness now and backtrack on his obsessions in a graceful manner or he can become the Big bully of world and drag the Russian people with him.
What concerns me most is it’s the losers in wars that choose to use ultimate weapons and I suspect Russia might loose a conventional war . Plus those around Putin are war mongers but the West has to stop and think before fuelling this war of neighbours. Especially when USA offered banned weapons that harm innocents abd farmers etc for decades to come. The west should continue not purchasing Russian goods and fund Ukrainian services give educational/ health aid etc abd help rebuild civil infrastructure but as for weapons….
I'm surprised, you obviously like writing book.. What about getting down and studying history... Wouldn't that help you more...?
@@MemeMemeson and F U
"Russia doesn’t want Ukraine nuclear weapons pointed at Moscow" Do tell, what nuclear weapons would these be, the nuclear weapons that Ukraine gave up to Russia?
This was started in 2014... Arguably earlier considering Russia was meddling before then and generating a Cassus Belli
@@tgapete01 Means ?
the point of NATO even existing is to counter russia in europe. this old man has completely missed that point
He hasn’t missed that point at all, NATO lies and says it’s not an anti Russian alliance is just a defensive alliance, I’m glad you can see they’re lying and it really is an anti Russian organisation.
He wants to show that Nato isnt a threat to Russia unless they provoke them so it would give Nato members for working grounds i guess
@@Asinatorsdaughter NATO is not strictly just a defense pact, they've gone on offensive many times, and right now arming ukraine even though russia did't attack NATO and adding in more members who are right at the borders of russia proves its not just a defense pact, its pointless and ridiculous to think russia can be invited to be member of group that's sole purpose is to curtail russia
@@spoodermen2530 i agree that Nato is just fanning the flames and adding more oil to the fire but who wouldn't when they can essentially thrashed their enemies but if Russia somehoe joins Nato the members would have then no choice but to keep their hands to themselves and Russia too wouldnt be able to bully Ukraine without getting ganged up by other members
It is designed to counter outside threads. Which currently just happens to be Russia. If Switzerland attacks a NATO member, then they will also activate article 5, yet they don't feel threatened because they don't attack their neighbors unlike Russia.
Russia did ask to join NATO post 1991, but the request was turned down. I'm a Westerner. I'm with Russia. ❤️❤️🇷🇺🇷🇺❤️❤️
I’m with Russia also
Slava Ukraini
So your a traitor
If you r with rashka you traitor.
@@noahbutler9180Russia defends western values. The west has abandoned faith, family and religion and has become an utterly degenerate ruin of a civilisation. In my opinion, not supporting Russia is more treasonous.
Yes let Russia Join and stop making him the bad guy and bring peace to the world.
Only western propaganda making Russia "bad guy"
Remember NATO broke her promise to not expand to east and Ukraine broke Minsk Agreement
Amen
If Russia was allowed to join NATO the BRICS organisation wouldn't have been possible for Russia as a coalition member, even the invasion of Ukraine would still be a myth.
Oh if only we gave hitler what he wanted... *oh wait... *
You HAVE 2 B joking. How can you delude yourself so thoroughly?
If such an offer was actually made, the Russian populace would laugh and so would Putin and countries friendly to Russia. Putin has been declaring NATO to be the evil enemy and would suffer no loss for rejecting the offer.
This is wrong it’s the USA led NATO that has made Russia the enemy and they would never ask because they need enemies or how can they profit from war??!
Putin tried to join nato before it’s nato who declined them
Realize who the true evil is in the world
Also
What country is more evil the one who invaded 84/193 nations?
Or the one who invaded 7/193 nations
(Hint Russia is the one who invaded 7)
Russians accept whatever reality they are told, by the leadership.
@@tisFrancesfault the Russians live in reality it’s the west who accept whatever reality they are told and that’s why we are in a total mess!
I understood the opposite - that Putin did ask to join back in 2001 but instead was laughed at
Notice how he doesn’t give any reason what so ever, just no. That man wants war.
Because the idea is completely delusional and would never work in practice.
@@chindit6784 Delusional means to hold beliefs despite incontrovertible evidence. By definition asking a question can not be delusional as it is not a statement of belief. Now you make a prediction it would couldn’t work in practice. Substantiate what you’re saying with logical, pragmatic, reasoning.
If you’re unable to do that shut up and stop regurgitating nonsense online.
@@Smoke-Playsit could not work in practice because
a) to be a member of nato you have to be a democratic country
. B) you have to implement democratic reforms which Russia clearly won't do.
C) Russia has no interest in joining nato as it sees itself as a superpower which can rival nato at some point.
D) even if it did say that it had an interest. It's interest would be to disrupt nato from within not because it sees itself as part of a defensive alliance with equal partners
E) lets assume that none of the above are an issue. A country can only join nato with unaminous consent and somehow I don't see countries like Poland, the baltics or even Finland and Sweden agreeing to that.
In all in all its a non starter, what's more is that Russia knows it's a non starter as well so there is no point proposing it
@@pgpython A) despite the propaganda you lap up, Russia is a democratic state, it will hold its next elections in September of this year.
B) you can’t predict the future or speak on behalf of the Russian government.
C) You’re either lying or woefully misinformed about history.
D) Once again you can not predict the future or speak for the Russian government’s potential intentions
E) The entire premise of the question being asked hypothesises that they will be invited to join by NATO members. So to say that it can’t happens because NATO countries wouldn’t do it is redundant, because that’s literally the whole premise of the argument.
Which is - if they did, would it encourage peace? A point you haven’t just failed to address but have missed entirely.
So rather than quite pointlessly saying that NATO won’t let them. (Because that is the hypothesis being preposed), would it encourage world peace?
Try hard reply lols
Why couldn’t Russia join NATO? The offer has been extended and retracted so many times since Bill Clinton was still in office. Seems like it would solve a lot of the problems going on, give NATO membership to both Ukraine and Russia. I would much rather have Russia as an ally instead of constant conflict, but many politicians want conflict and that’s the problem.
Here's the thing that many people seem to think. NATO was born to counter the URSS and the Warsaw Pact bit without a common enemy NATO has no reason to exist and the U.S uses NATO to profit from Europeans countryes and to extend their military presence over the world so without a fabricated enemy NATO cannot exist.
Why not? The video cut out before he could explain himself.
Good idea, protect Russia from itself 🤦
That works. Russia can trigger Article 5 the next time Wagner tanks head to Moscow.
This 91 year old Great Grandpa is nuts 😂
Defund this war
the only people who are nuts, are the west who kept pushing natos border to Russia and thinks 200k ukranians dead for hardly on land captured by the russians
And your got eaten
@@SavitarKKSRindia should join NATO next 😂
A wolf should be offered a place in a sheep shelter! Hilarious!
Russia asked to join but was rejected but they were asked to join later and Russia rejected it. Although, it doesn’t hurt to ask again.
Lies they were not asked to join later lies lies yeah
Can’t let a ghost in to the ghost busters.
Well! He's thinking outside of the box I suppose. The old ways aren't working, so let's look at other options. If you think about it, Nato came about following WW2 and Russia was instrumental in fighting back the Nazis. So maybe they should have been treated more as allies than people to fear. Maybe that sort of dialogue would have helped mold a different Soviet Union/Russia and maybe we'd all be having a different conversation today 🤔
Maybe if russia did not INVADE Poland WITH THE NAZIS.
if russia joined nato, entire eastern europe would immitiedly quit. their only reason for being in nato is russia. Also they would never let russia in anyway, no matter what america says. End of this ridiculus story.
@madtechnocrat9234 so what's the solution. We clearly can't continue with these conflicts all over the world, causing instability, displacement, poverty, and general suffering. Constant fighting for resources instead of pooling and unification is destroying the environment and the ability for living things, including us, to survive on this planet. But oh well! Russia did something cruel in WW2, so we shouldn't try to find peaceful solutions or the way forward. Let's just keep repeating the same behaviours, which have led to destruction🤷♀️
@@khemitx The policy of appeasement has failed. This was incredibly visible to everyone at the start of the ww2. And as it did fail then so it did now. When Ukraine was attacked by Russia in 2014, people in the west chose appeasement and quite obviously it failed again as it always does.
There is no discusion with jingoist totalitarian/authoritarian imperialist states. Only diplomacy they understand is show of force. Russia felt that Ukraine was weak, that eastern Europe was bickering among each other, that the west was weak, and this is why russia attacked.
The way to stop this was to actually react when Russia invaded in 2014, it was to actually react when russia invaded georgia, it was to actually react when russia invaded chechnya... twice, it was to react when russia invaded moldova.
The world decided not to react, and this showed russians that they can do as they please and that nobody will stop them.
Yes, russia did something very cruel to my people during ww2. Russian occupation of Poland was often equaly as bad as nazis. With people on mass being murdered or send to concentration camps in siberia.
It never really apologised and continues to behave exactly in the same way as it did towards other nations. This is not north korea you can just isolate because it's a small insignifcant state with no economy.
@@khemitx Also this is one of the best videos to sum up everything i have seen on the topic:
th-cam.com/video/FVmmASrAL-Q/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Sarcasmitron
That doesn't make any difference. Russia are very ignorant they have always been arrogant and indifferent to other people's rights and feelings. General Patton had it right when he said while we've got the Manpower and Equipment over here we should just go ahead and eliminate the SOB's right now. He sensed that they were evil even back then and God are they ever.😢 I'd like to find a way to get rid of the whole g d country if it was possible. I'd also like to win the lottery but I know that's just a dream as well😊
Try it. Peace is the goal after all isn't it? I think it's good bait for both sides! Sir, the noble lord is a genius!😊
Peace was never a True goal 🤣.. And most people don't live in wonderland...
The true goal is making money
Its hard to accept russia in nato with Putin as their leader. Its a good idea having russia in nato .
While he makes a valid point, Russia was supposed to join NATO at one point, so this was already tried.
The lord's comment would only make president Putin usher a smile of vote of confidence from UK. It is undeniably impossible for UK to continue to be a safe haven for war mongering leaders, to use England as a foottool in enhancing their takeover or invasion policies of neighbouring countries. It appears that President Putin is losing patriotism of Russians, as the onslaught of drone attacks commences to hit Russia, without President Putin assuming condemnation of the attacks perpetrated by Russian unknown proxy making decisions for themselves having noted the emphatic iterations of President Zelensky not to attack Russian mainland. This is outrageously, scandalous for President Putin to address the nation on the move to circumvent the retractment of the stalemate pull and push war of Russian Ukraine invasion. The war must be given a resolution of peace deals to enable internally frustrated individuals looking to start a criminal ventures taking advantage of the Insecurities of both nations, as drug dealers from Russia and Ukraine might continue to pass the baton of power between themselves, turning a blind eye to the war, by forming insurgency. With due respect to the people of both Russia and Ukraine that are showing strong resistance to the war by continuing to prove common usefulness to human endeavour by assisting each other through commitment to serve families overshadowed by the war, aren't broken by depression in prevention of narcotic distribution in Russia and Ukraine. For the sake of children the war should rest in peace too many lives have been wasted which is deemed as modern slavery against both countries, people might not understand that tearing each to pieces was a result of their relationships in the Past . I personally think that President Putin believes that the war was lost before it even started on all corners of the world, that he has been planning to influence invasion by his authority, typical example is African countries not pressuring president Putin to ease off from military confrontation in very advanced civilisation. Patriotism ideology is underscore by helplessness of disunity propaganda and a system that degenerates into controversial RHETORICS that leads to disharmony and civil unrest of the divided nation.
no it wasn't. Russia (and the USSR) tried to join, the west rejected their application, not the other way around. The thing is Russia very much has a point NATO is an imperialistic and anti-Russian defensive alliance, and the west could've 99% prevented the Russian invasion of Ukraine if they barred Ukraine from NATO (and any military alliance) membership in exchange for a bi-partisan (Russian and NATO) security guarantee of Ukraine's territorial integrity.
This ofc doesn't excuse Russia' s imperialist invasion, but it was easily preventable by the West - Ukrainians are only dying and getting part of their lands annexed because the west wouldn't even entertain reason or diplomacy with Russia back in February 2022...
NATO should have been abolished right after the Soviet Union itself was abolished. Keeping an alliance meant to contain the USSR around after its objective is achieved would only make its successor state feel threatened. The Ukraine invasion is a manifestation of Russia's attitude towards NATO.
Subsequent events have demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that NATO was still needed after the USSR collapsed.
Compare and contrast the fate of these NATO and non NATO states.
Non NATO members:
Moldova - partial de-facto colonisation by Russia. Russian backed coup attempt in 2023.
Georgia - partly de-facto colonisation by Russia.
Belarus - absorbed into the Russian state
Ukraine - Eastern provinces and Crimea colonised by Russia in 2014. 2022 Russia attempts to colonise the entire coast of Ukraine and its capital city.
Yugoslavian successor states: in the 1990’s they were packed full of Russian backed mercenary groups.
NATO Members
Former states of the USSR
- Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia: major interference by Russia but no direct Russian invasion or invasion by Russian proxy forces
Former Warsaw Pact States
Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Czechoslovakian successor states and Hungary: no Russian invasions or attacks by Russian proxy forces.
“The Ukriane invasion is a manifestation of Russia’s attitude towards NATO”
Ukraine is rich in plunder and many Russians feel it should never have been independent in the first place. NATO or no-NATO it seems entirely plausible that the Kremlin regarding Ukraine with envious eyes, would slowly and surely drew their plans against them.
Remember Russian de facto colonised a large strip of Moldova when relations with NATO were very good.
One things is absolutely certain. Crimea would not have been invaded by Russia in 2014 if Ukraine, like the Baltic States, had been in NATO.
NATO: you know it makes sense.
You sound dumb. What happened to crimea before Ukraine even thought about applying for NATO membership. Didn’t Putin and Russia annex that. If you think Russias invasion is solely due to Ukraine wanting to join NATO then your a fool. Putins goal has always been to take back the land that was lost when the Soviet Union was dissolved. Learn your history
It would of been to much of a risk to trust Russia and not put defences up in Eastern Europe while they were growing their military. As for contained they were only contained if they intended to go attack beyond their borders
NATO was kept because Russia wasn’t very trustworthy 😅
@@roetilliceline2917No country is
Smart man,but the demon's don't want that 🤷
That's ridiculous. Chamberlain already proved that appeasement will not succeed.
That sounds most unconvincing. You don't lay the tapestry of war because you wanted to be worshipped as a demigod of war seeking appeasement from your soldiers lined up in trenches waiting to be devoured by monster drones dropping on their heads.
What a ridiculous statement
Yes,,, l see exactly what you mean...
You dudes need to keep up with very recent History!
Great idea don't isolate them atleast offer it
US isn't interested in Peace... They are the cause of this war... Criminals making money...
i have an idea lets create alliance of china and india, and also north korea and south korea. Sound like an ideal plan to me.
while we are at it lets put palastine together with israel and serbia with croatia.
@@madtechnocrat9234 well I know I live in Maine and I sure wouldn't be happy if Russia came and was in New Brunswick and Quebec and Nova Scotia that might be a Lil cause for stress
@@scottdore4890 If russia joined nato, entire eastern europe would have immidietly quit. But that wont happen because eastern europe will not allow russia into nato. And for really good reasons.
@@madtechnocrat9234 but I'm not pro Russia I swear it just seems to me like we have brought this onto ourselves because I remember Russia telling USA way back before Crimea was taken that if nato kept expanding they would take it as a threat not a brilliant mind but it seems we didn't listen
He's poor condition was the early sign of Parkinson.
Alzheimer effect on brain. 😅
This is simply false. Russia was invited as an associate member (and accepted) after the fall of the Soviet Union. Putin trashed that opportunity.
When? Any proof?
@@marynamalitskaya3534 literally look at Wikipedia in any language that isn't aggressively censored (I.e., not Russian). Law was called the Nato Russia Founding Act. Russia was also a member of the Partnership for Peace. These are fairly meaningful starting steps to work towards potential NATO membership if Russia had proved reliable, trustworthy and aligned.
@@thejonno2709 literally, Russia was never offered a membership to Nato. What you said above is different case. We know when Nato wants somebody badly and how they offer the deal (Finland). Nato rejected Russia two times. Its a clear message that if there is no enemy Russia there is no money money for USA from military business. No way Nato would stop its existence. The most aggressive alliance ever.
@@marynamalitskaya3534 your response betrays a lack of clear understanding of how international relations works. Finland's membership of NATO was possible to rush because NATO countries trusted Finland. It has the same kind of government, similar values, hasn't started a war in decades. It even uses the same currency as half of NATO.
Hence, there was no need for Finland to prove itself a trustworthy partner. This was the path that Russia needed to take and the path Russia was on - but strayed from after invading Georgia in 2008.
@@thejonno2709invading Georgia (3 days) was a result of Nato’s bold actions. Same story. Just stay away from our boarders. This is normal and rational demand. Russia is not moving towards USA, USA and NATO are moving towards Russia. NATO has soooo many bases all over the world. Literally almost in each country. Not enough? Till when? Just stop. Mind your business and stick to your promise. Shame on you
If Russia wasn’t so aggressive and actually treated citizens right I’d be all for Russia joining NATO. Then again that’d defeat the purpose of nato
Is Turkey any better? Or even the US?
@@fabianabongo6284oh dude don't go with the whole whataboutism. That is just a low bar and doesnt bring up that fact that russia treats its soldiers like how you would see someone working in mcdolands or denies the freedom speech for its citizens
@@bottheskitarii8881He’s going there, and he really isn’t wrong to some cultures they see it as worse to live in America then in Russia at the end of the day man humans will never see eye to eye.
@@bottheskitarii8881yeah, I’m pretty tired of the whataboutism showing up more and more now
@@fabianabongo6284Which country is struggling to fight a tiny neighbor right on their doorstep?
what Russia will gain if it gets NATO membership? old man lost his mental balance.
😂😂😂what a joke Russia don’t need nato’s subscription ✅ they able to fight alone.
He lost his mind😂😂😂😂
Well Russia apply to Nato twice(to my knowledge) and was rejected.
Remember that Hitler being rejected from art school meme?
Perhaps its the same with Russia and NATO. The west could offer Russia NATO membership, and none of this would have happened.
@@UnderTheSameSun693Russia would just be anither Turkey in NATO. There are criteria that Russia doesnt fulfill
@@UnderTheSameSun693Incorrect. It did not ever formally apply for NATO membership. And how do you propose Russian membership would have avoided war? It would have just dragged the West into war against Ukraine.
His hands tremblin
@@UnderTheSameSun693 people = no like communism
😂 Putin is the reason NATO exists! To let him join is laughable 😂😂😂
Bro graduated from propaganda websites
@@lilycorral414No U
NATO was made to make sure Russia doesn’t do anything catastrophic
What point would there be for nato if russia was to join? Nato was literally made to protect smaller countries from russia
To "protect" you don't need NATO for that, Russia doesn't have enough power for a full scale war and they don't want to invade Europe anymore, Russia sells gas to Europe so why would they want to star a war? In reality for the US Nato is a big business a d Russia is the excuse for selling Weapons but if Russia were to be part of NATO there would be no need for such organization. Long story short, the U.S doesn't want peace it wants money.
@@AaronreacherRussia doesn’t want war ??? Last time I checked the entire terrorist population of Russia started an unprovoked war against innocent Ukraine.
The old man is a bit senile.
😅😅😅
The whole chamber is get rid of them
The real Senile one is Joe Biden
They couldn’t make cash out of peace, plain and simple. Any right minded person would know this is the way forward
Russia was part of the security council, how did that go.
I've been thinking about it for some time. I think it's a good offer. But it must be under conditions
"But it must be under conditions"
And what conditions are you proposing to concede to Putin? Because clearly Russia is not NATO material under current leadership.
@@Blackmark52 under conditions of democracy, rule of law and no corruption, so that Russian people know that there is an alternative
@@davidcooks2379 "under conditions of"
But those conditions aren't favourable to Putin. He would never accept. For Putin to accept an invitation to NATO, NATO must offer something to him.
Membership of nato is always under conditions. The point is you can hardly point weapons at your allies.
did Soviet Russia have democratic elections? Did Kremlin have freedom of speech and press ? How many dissidents were locked up in gulags ? 😡
We could consider Russia joining Nato if... they withdraw from Ukraine immediately cede Crimea to Ukraine and South Ossetia to Georgia, and also cede Kaliningrad to either Poland or Germany immediately disband the CSTO alliance relinquish the sakhalin Islands to Japan and finally stop its support of Belarus and North Korea if Russia meets these requirements then serious talks can begin.
If Russia joins NATO, it will be a game called "Among us"
So West and Usa help Russia to get high tech nato standard weopens????? What happens after they have it????
I don't think Russia and NA😄😄😄TO have a lot in common
I don’t know. NATO want a Russian withdrawal from Ukraine. That fits with Putin’s stated aim of De-Nazifying Ukraine.
What's up with this smiley face in the middle
It's a laugh
Nato has nothing to do with it.. It's the US..
What about propaganda and brainwashing civilians? They have that in common
Putin asked the NATO secretary in the 90s "when is Russia invited into NATO? We're not going to wait in line like small, unimportant countries." He didn't really understand that there's a criteria for membership 😂
Ukraine was invited
@@9pktheories No, it was not. In 2008 Germany and France opposed to it. Ukraine only applied this year.
@@mv_5878 expediting the procedure to join nato which was accepted by all nato members isn’t an invitation to Ukraine to join when they’re only nation given that leeway
@@9pktheories ?
@@mv_5878 you didn’t hear? They waived the mep phase for Ukraine unanimouslythats how much they’re showing they want Ukraine to join
That was legit after 1991.
That was legit in 2011.
Now after Ukraine? Nope.
I think no one will ever agree on this.
We proposed both EU and NATO membership during Medvedev's gov and they refused both because, as part of NATO, they wouldn't be able to do what they want.
Apart from the fact that NATO was created precisely to counter Moscow´s agression on its neighbours and that they have also their own Russian NATO. Wouldn´t make sense at all.
u r writing like NATO governments aren't doing whatever they want)) U should be either so dumb or hypocritical...
BUT USA AND EU CAN DO WHAT THAY WONT!?OR WHAT?🤔🤔
@@ramazanrushiti6308 What are you talking about?
Russia tried to join NATO but was rejected idk why
This is a superb suggestion. Should have been done decades ago. There would be no war today. Europe would be the safest part of the world. Instead of wasting money on war European countries can cooperate with each other for economic development.
or nato would be pointless because it cant defend a member against other member, and it would disolve itself. Poland would follow nuclear program instead of joining nato and russia would start a series of wars to "reclaim" ussr/russian empire territories.
it would become another usefull institution like league of nations.
Ukraine can’t join but Russia can?! 😂
Jokers Land of EU and NATO countries 😂😂😂
Thats hilarious
bros drunk
Not really,,, he's educated... Most are not.
Is that India??? Noooo, it is Britain.... Wtf 😂🎉 We are definitely doomed.
Said from a member of society who potentially has split loyalties...
He's a lord of the UK parliament and who are you?
If Russia joins NATO, that would be the equivalent of letting the wolf in the hen house. Who would stop Russia from attacking another NATO member? Does article 5 apply to attacks by NATO members? This idea sounds good because Putin claimed he attacked Ukraine to stop Ukraine from joining NATO but how do we know that was Putin’s true motive? He said he wants to rid Ukraine of fascist too, which motive is the real one?
This man has the look of an old Arabian knight, the voice of a red coat general and the thought process of a 5 year old
The only person who isn’t a lunatic
Yes he is he only concerned about himself.
If only it were that easy
Absolutely right.
relatively left😂
This guy doesn't really understand what NATO is for.
It has been offered, 3 times…
It was never offered it was rejected 3 time..
Mr Singh’s been hanging with King Charles for too long with that accent 😂
How can the west Survive without a villain ?
Hollyweird
Politicians
Will have nobody to blame then😅😅😅
it was basically created to be an adversary To Russia!?!?
(USSR*)
Thats insane
The Soviet Union asked for membership in 1954 but got rejected. The Russian Federation asked for membership in 2000 but got rejected. NATO is clearly against Russia joining the alliance, even though it would end tensions and bring peace to Europe.
If you want to join NATO you have to apply. Putin just talked about it but never send an official application. He has no right to complain, he nener seriously tried to join NATO.
If everyone joins NATO then who are we supposed to fight? The alien. Lol 😂
Thats exactly his point. No more fighting. Why does there need to be a fight.
... We need fight to replanish the earth and make money...
@@thecheatingfoodie5028 There will still be fighting. If everyone is in NATO then it will just become a useless organization.
China duh 😂
I dont think he would take it, but if that was pumped into russia as propaganda it would destroy his credability
USA would be in a sideline position 😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂 yes yes and live by their rules ?? No thanx
This guy is out of depth 😢 age is working bad on his brains,
So much more civil than our congress.
Just what the congress stand for on administrative disbursement of treasury funds by roundtable war planning agendas that entrapped the unawares.
Russia asked to join Nato. It initiative was rejected more 10 years ago.
Lord Singh of Wimbledon come with the greatest idea for world peace and stop Ukraine war.
Good idea. Russias sacrifices in the 1940s which dwarfs any other country’s contributions for world peace earned them a place 80 years ago
If Russia reason of invading Ukraine really does the fear of Nato threat, joining Nato would makes sense.
if russia was a democracy, then we'd welcome russia with love
Russia is officially a democracy if you try to say "oh but we really know is just a dictatorship in disguise" then that would apply for some NATO member to like France or the U.S. also, NATO is allied with Israel a clearly oppressive country but they don't seem to mind.
Most people here don't understand that NATO membership is sought, not offered. This was Putin's issue in the 2000's actually because he wanted NATO to basically come to him and ask/offer membership. The organization doesn't work like that as there are certain societal and political requirements. Putin is a grifter...
Really?
Is that what the British parliament came up with?
Putin leaves power and this proposition could be taken seriously!
2 middle eastern law makers in England parliament deciding if russia should be in nato, let that sink in!
If you’re going to be racist, at least do some research to get your facts straight. This gentleman is a Punjabi Sikh, one of our guys. Part of the same people who fought for Britain in both world wars.
This gentleman should donate his Sardar to Putin.
Russia should be a part of NATO
This is a joke!!! 😂 Russia can't even win the war!! GLORY TO UKRAINE!!
I agree of offering Russia membership to NATO. We should not fight with each other. Each one should cooperate in creating a peacefull resolution towards harmonious relationship
Having it like so won't change a thing. Greece and Turkey are in NATO yet there are still tensions between them.
Just a horrible idea for so many reasons